Speaker 1: Hello everyone, I'm Devin Simone and I'm Tory Deal and
Speaker 1: this is MTV's official Challenge podcast, Woo the Love Edition.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, this episode so many things. We get to
Speaker 1: see a different side of Tory. Well, no side you've seen,
Speaker 1: but we're seeing it again. You know, A lot happened
Speaker 1: in this episode and things I feel like are really
Speaker 1: starting to heat up, right, Like, tell us a.
Speaker 2: Little bit about we had the dailies, we had the voting, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, yeah, it was it was a lot. It was
Speaker 3: jam packed, and like, we really get to see the
Speaker 3: Survivor alliance start to crumble, which I thoroughly enjoyed as
Speaker 3: much as I love them all, you know, like it's
Speaker 3: nice to watch a big alliance crumble. But it starts
Speaker 3: off with this insane competition. We do the speed Jumps challenge. First,
Speaker 3: we have a bunch of math on a trampoline, which
Speaker 3: everybody was absolutely tragic at except for Sebastian, so it's
Speaker 3: gonna be good to hear from him to understand how
Speaker 3: he did so well on that. But BEESSI absolutely took
Speaker 3: the cake or jumping on the trampolines on the truck,
Speaker 3: crushed it and thankfully I was able to win my
Speaker 3: second daily challenge, so I was really happy about that.
Speaker 3: But the deliberation didn't go over too smoothly because obviously
Speaker 3: Festi had the people he wanted to throw in. I
Speaker 3: had the people I wanted to throw in. Eventually, it
Speaker 3: left Cassidy and Chris up to be nominated, but the
Speaker 3: hopper selected Sebastian to go in.
Speaker 2: I know, it's just a lot.
Speaker 4: It was a lot.
Speaker 3: It was a lot, you know. I think, like watching
Speaker 3: it back, I'm like, yikes, man, But we can get
Speaker 3: into that more when he gets on the show.
Speaker 1: I'm curious about exactly what part you want to say
Speaker 1: yikes about.
Speaker 2: But where do you and Sebastian stand now?
Speaker 3: Absolutely just friends?
Speaker 2: Okay, we couldn't be more just friends.
Speaker 3: We are friends. Yeah yeah, yeah, And like listen, after
Speaker 3: the show had ended, him and I and a bunch
Speaker 3: of us had stayed in Croatia, so you know, we
Speaker 3: had a little moment out in Croatia and like a
Speaker 3: little boat. It was a really nice time. But coming home,
Speaker 3: I think I just kind of remembered like I didn't
Speaker 3: go there for a relationship, and I wanted to focus
Speaker 3: on my kid's book, which I mentioned in the show. Yes,
Speaker 3: I was shifting back to my career goals, and that's
Speaker 3: kind of where I'm at right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Well we will hear from the man himself
Speaker 1: to see if he agrees with that.
Speaker 2: Account or not.
Speaker 1: Also, it was so funny hearing FESSI give commentary about
Speaker 1: your situationship with Sebastian, just given the history with fest
Speaker 1: but he was very respectful and responsible like it.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 1: It's also great seeing where you and Michelle are in
Speaker 1: this place because again for the challengers, I mean, I
Speaker 1: know you already know which y'all know, there was some
Speaker 1: kind of love triangle yea quadruplex duplex hyphenic thing going
Speaker 1: on at a certain point between all those people. So
Speaker 1: it's interesting and lovely to see the mature road that
Speaker 1: you all are taking or have been taking. I think
Speaker 1: that is just fun to watch but also just makes
Speaker 1: it that much more ironic when it's all of.
Speaker 2: That goes down.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the gold Stars and the timeouts. I
Speaker 1: do want to give an honorable mention to TJ's what
Speaker 1: looked to be a faux swayed jacket that he wore
Speaker 1: at the elimination and then he had a butter yellow
Speaker 1: like polo top underneath. Now I feel like it would
Speaker 1: have been better suited with the butter yellow turtleneck.
Speaker 2: But I like the jacket. But the thing that really
Speaker 2: stood out to.
Speaker 1: Me Tori, you were matching TJ at that elimination because
Speaker 1: you had on a gray jacket and a yellow top.
Speaker 1: Now did you all coordinate? Did you talk to TJ's stylist.
Speaker 1: How did you manage to come up with that unusual
Speaker 1: combo and.
Speaker 2: Wear it at the same time?
Speaker 3: You know what? It actually started the week prior when
Speaker 3: Johnny and I matched when we won the Damn Challenge,
Speaker 3: and so I wanted to match Festi, but he said no.
Speaker 3: So I hit up TJ. And I know, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3: Fetzy and I were never going to match each other.
Speaker 3: I was actually wearing Sebastian's hoodie. I knew or had
Speaker 3: a feeling, he was probably gonna end up getting a
Speaker 3: lot of balls. So it's like, you know, I'll wear
Speaker 3: it is good luck hopefully. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Interesting that fortuitous And shout out to Chelsea Homa, who
Speaker 1: comments or dms me about TJ's wardrobe as well. She's
Speaker 1: eyeing it, Chelsea, I know that you've probably plucked that
Speaker 1: post wage jacket that TJ was wearing.
Speaker 2: And I didn't ask you last week too. Before we
Speaker 2: get into it, Tori.
Speaker 1: But why, how and why did you have a faux
Speaker 1: brown leather jacket that matched Banana's leather jacket to match
Speaker 1: last week?
Speaker 2: Like where did that even come from?
Speaker 3: We actually used other people's outfits to make that work
Speaker 3: because Bananas didn't own that. So the sweater I have
Speaker 3: on is Michelle's. I believe the jacket is mine. FESSI
Speaker 3: gave his sweater to Bananas, and I don't know whose
Speaker 3: brown jacket that was, so we kind of worked together
Speaker 3: to make that happen, which is ironic. Caw. Last week
Speaker 3: in the episode, Festi said that we did some shady
Speaker 3: shit by matching. It was like some petty He.
Speaker 2: Helped make it happen. He help it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you fucking you, shady motherfucker.
Speaker 2: That's just starting drama.
Speaker 3: I love that, But he loved that he was not
Speaker 3: starting drama in that in that confessional. I did appreciate
Speaker 3: the way he said it, and I do agree that
Speaker 3: when you're on a show, it's like, you know, listen,
Speaker 3: there's many hours of the day where you're just sitting there.
Speaker 3: You don't have a phone, you don't have a book,
Speaker 3: you're literally making puzzles out of paper and you're doing
Speaker 3: math problems for fun. Like things are at a low
Speaker 3: you know, you're not feeling great.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're at your lowest point, and therefore you connect
Speaker 1: with other people the challenge.
Speaker 3: You like what you're saying just to like keep your
Speaker 3: mind from staring at the wall. I mean, you can
Speaker 3: only meditate so many times, like right before, you just
Speaker 3: absolutely get tired of your own brain. So I appreciated
Speaker 3: the way he approached that interview, but also like, listen,
Speaker 3: let's just give him the gold star too, because I
Speaker 3: think that he absolutely crushed the challenge, Like everybody thought
Speaker 3: that maybe they had a chance of winning, you know,
Speaker 3: Josh getting five flags, Sebastian getting nine, and then fest
Speaker 3: comes out and pulls a whopping eighteen out of nowhere,
Speaker 3: like yeah, double the score, Like we gotta put some
Speaker 3: respect on his name.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean he is a pro yo right, slamball,
Speaker 1: He's a pro. Shout out to Bessy for being a
Speaker 1: prof that. But I have to agree with you, BESSI
Speaker 1: gets the gold star this week for just how he's
Speaker 1: behaving over all this season. It's also interesting seeing how
Speaker 1: he went into negotiations or deliberations with you versus the
Speaker 1: Rider Die season, because in Ryder Dies we saw him
Speaker 1: kind of strong arm his partner when it came to
Speaker 1: things like deliberation a lot, and it became kind of
Speaker 1: a controversy even towards the end, and it seemed to
Speaker 1: even like fracture their friendship. And so seeing the way
Speaker 1: he approached it much more carefully with you is just
Speaker 1: an interesting dynamic yeah, this season, And I'd have to
Speaker 1: say I agree. I think he gets my gold star
Speaker 1: as well for the week and how he handled everything.
Speaker 1: Who gets your time out this week? Sebastian, Wait, not
Speaker 1: the man who? Well, I'm not gonna reveal the secret
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna find out, so I guess, but wait,
Speaker 1: why does he get your time out?
Speaker 3: I just think that like the way he went about
Speaker 3: trying to throw Corey in like it was just yeah,
Speaker 3: it just felt like very freshman to me, you know,
Speaker 3: like like it was just it. I just I felt like,
Speaker 3: you know, you wanted more from him strategically, or you
Speaker 3: know what it could go to Chris honestly, Chris had
Speaker 3: a whole spiral.
Speaker 1: Like Chris is mine, Chris is definitely mine because Chris
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: It was a hot ass mess like one.
Speaker 1: I feel like in this game, you can't wait until
Speaker 1: you back yourself into a corner. You need to operate
Speaker 1: in the way of a Mikayla, which also shout out
Speaker 1: to michaela honorable mention for gold Star. And just the
Speaker 1: way she's making moves, I feel like she's gonna be
Speaker 1: a real She's already showing to be a forest. But
Speaker 1: I just as the numbers get smaller, I feel like
Speaker 1: she's really gonna make waves coming up.
Speaker 2: It's just my hunch.
Speaker 1: But you can't wait till the end, because then everyone
Speaker 1: sees what you're doing. And then at that point I
Speaker 1: feel like, either just own the moves, like, don't try
Speaker 1: and be shady. There's no coverage there and so Chris
Speaker 1: being messy and and look, I don't want to go
Speaker 1: into elimination. I've never been excited to go down there,
Speaker 1: all right, I've never although if you recall, I did
Speaker 1: volunteer the ones time I ever went. I told my
Speaker 1: teammates I would go, and I stuck to my word.
Speaker 2: But him being.
Speaker 1: Kind of can I say the being a little B
Speaker 1: word about it, Like I don't want to go I
Speaker 1: don't want to go down. I don't want to go down, Like, dude,
Speaker 1: you're on the wrong game. Goat what No, Like you
Speaker 1: found yourself here. I feel like he would have had
Speaker 1: more allies and earned more respect if he would have
Speaker 1: been like if he would have pulled to Tyler. Now,
Speaker 1: granted he wasn't fighting for the love of anyone like
Speaker 1: Tyler was, but Tyler went down.
Speaker 2: When he had those evil people of Tori and Banana
Speaker 2: spoke me in like that.
Speaker 1: Tyler went down with such dignity, especially because he wanted
Speaker 1: to protect his woman, and that was just so honorable
Speaker 1: and admirable. And I feel like even people who maybe
Speaker 1: weren't huge Tyler fans, I feel like him coming out
Speaker 1: of that, how can you not have some respect for him?
Speaker 1: Whereas Chris did the complete opposite it. Now, Baby Margo
Speaker 1: is cute. Shout out to Baby Margo. Also shout out
Speaker 1: to Marie Rhoda who just had her baby girl named
Speaker 1: Margo as well. Welcome to the Challenge fan, baby Margo,
Speaker 1: and congrats Marie. But Chris just looked like a little
Speaker 1: softy Oya Winan about not want to go in.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that it was like the build
Speaker 3: up of him understanding all of his conversations, personal conversations
Speaker 3: are getting exposed, and like it's not only not wanting
Speaker 3: to go in, it's realizing that if you go in
Speaker 3: and come back, who knows what the road ahead holds,
Speaker 3: because right you've put yourself in such a comparable spot
Speaker 3: that yeah, I don't know. I mean, listen, I feel
Speaker 3: for Chris on this one. I do, but also he
Speaker 3: put himself there, and it's going to be interesting to
Speaker 3: watch him dig himself.
Speaker 2: Out of it.
Speaker 1: It is going to be very interesting to watch himself
Speaker 1: dig himself out. And I know he sounds like a
Speaker 1: broken record, but I think this goes back to and
Speaker 1: even what Sebastian tells us about his strategy in this
Speaker 1: upcoming interview, to the difference in gameplay of Survivor Big Brother.
Speaker 2: And the Challenge.
Speaker 1: The Challenge is a place that when you're back into
Speaker 1: against against a wall, you either have to be real slide,
Speaker 1: I mean like real real slide, to the point that
Speaker 1: people are still scratching their heads yours later because.
Speaker 2: They don't know what you did, or you have to
Speaker 2: just own it.
Speaker 1: You have like you just have to say, hey, like
Speaker 1: Banana said a couple of weeks ago, I stab you
Speaker 1: in the front and not in the back kind of vibe.
Speaker 1: Whereas when you start doing the slimy stuff, it's just
Speaker 1: it never works. It doesn't work. It does and then
Speaker 1: also now puts more of targets on you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you ever want to come back and
Speaker 3: play again in the future, this.
Speaker 2: Is right, You're gonna remember that you were slimy.
Speaker 3: It's not like maybe if you if you played Big
Speaker 3: Brother survivor maybe you play it twice, maybe you know.
Speaker 3: And that's if you're one of the greatest of all times.
Speaker 3: Like there's plenty of people who come back for multiple
Speaker 3: seasons of the Challenge and like who are terrible. You're
Speaker 3: never you're never playing like you have to play the
Speaker 3: short game in the long game. And honestly, I think
Speaker 3: that's what makes Challenge vets like Bananas and Wes and
Speaker 3: Laurels and Anissa like everybody else, that you've had to
Speaker 3: play for so long and you've had to screw over
Speaker 3: people for so long, and still you can make it
Speaker 3: to the end, Like it's yes, it's there's something to
Speaker 3: be said about that. So I think Chris is getting
Speaker 3: his first taste of like okay, wait a minute. Like
Speaker 3: the first elimination he went into we got pulled off
Speaker 3: the hopper. This one he got sent directly in. So
Speaker 3: I just think he's you know, it's gonna be interested
Speaker 3: watching him play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely is. Well, something else that's going to
Speaker 1: be interesting for you guys. Oh, we had get the popcorn.
Speaker 1: Get a big gulp or whatever drink is sponsoring this podcast,
Speaker 1: an extra large one. Sit down and tune in because
Speaker 1: we have Tory's lover of the season, Sebastian from Survivor.
Speaker 2: He is here with us.
Speaker 1: We ask y'all, No, we get into all the questions,
Speaker 1: keeping it real for you all. We put Toy in
Speaker 1: the extra spicy I'm talking the takis combined with hot Cheetos,
Speaker 1: hot seat, and ask all the questions about the relationship.
Speaker 1: It gets well, just slide in my DM the interview
Speaker 1: and tell you what you think. That's all I wanna say.
Speaker 1: Tory probably won't respond to you be sliding hers after
Speaker 1: this interview, but I will so uh yeah, to go
Speaker 1: get a snack and stay right here. Because you're not
Speaker 1: going to want to miss this interview with Sebastian coming
Speaker 1: up right after this. The time has come, friends to
Speaker 1: welcome a very special guest to our podcast. Some might
Speaker 1: describe him as the heart throb of the season, and
Speaker 1: by some I mean my co host, Tory Dial.
Speaker 2: Please welcome Sebastian.
Speaker 4: Hey, Sebastian, whatever. Everyone, how's it going good?
Speaker 2: So glad to have you here. Thank you for joining us, Thank.
Speaker 4: You guys for having me us finally get to do
Speaker 4: one of these school things. Man, I've been waiting and.
Speaker 1: I've been telling you, Tory, we need to have you on,
Speaker 1: and she's been like, oh, I don't know, I'm kidding.
Speaker 2: She didn't say this.
Speaker 3: I hadn't.
Speaker 4: She probably did. She probably did. No, I want to
Speaker 4: I'll just do the little co triple host or something.
Speaker 4: I'll pop on, you know, say a few things and leave.
Speaker 3: Listen. This is your episode. This is your time to shine. Okay,
Speaker 3: Unfortunately it has to be on the episode of your elimination,
Speaker 3: which I'm sure for you it's hard to watch. But
Speaker 3: before we even get into that, let's just like talk
Speaker 3: about this season in itself, because you were riding with
Speaker 3: Survivor strong and this is the first time in the
Speaker 3: season where you know, Survivor player goes home. What did
Speaker 3: you feel like the dynamic was between Big Brother and
Speaker 3: the Survivor cast members, Like coming into this season.
Speaker 4: I mean coming from me, I only did one show, Survivor, right,
Speaker 4: that's all I know. You guys have done this for
Speaker 4: ten plus seasons now, so it's props to you guys.
Speaker 4: But that's all I know. Survivor. We just do this
Speaker 4: thing where we run with we run with like strong alliances.
Speaker 4: That's how I got to the end when I played
Speaker 4: my season, and I think I just I had that mentality.
Speaker 4: Of course, I wanted to branch out and that you met,
Speaker 4: you know, got closer to West and all the Vet's
Speaker 4: fests and even Corey, and it was just like, you know,
Speaker 4: so convenient, convenient for me to go with what I knew.
Speaker 4: But we'll see it was fun though definitely definitely a wall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you went on this show, Sabashian, what would
Speaker 1: you have said were the odds of you getting into
Speaker 1: a showmance?
Speaker 2: Like God, I think no, No, I want to know, yes,
Speaker 2: but people want to know.
Speaker 4: I think it's just me. I don't know what drives
Speaker 4: me to want to be with someone. It's just I
Speaker 4: want to care for somebody at all times. I like,
Speaker 4: I like to give, I like to love, and it's
Speaker 4: inside of me. If you put me on a goddamn
Speaker 4: island for a month and a half, I'm going to
Speaker 4: find someone, whether it's a freaking mermaid or an actual human.
Speaker 3: So he's speak in love with mermaids. People, have you
Speaker 3: heard it here first?
Speaker 4: That's right, We're going to find him in the abyss
Speaker 4: of the ocean's depths. But yeah, I found one each
Speaker 4: time I played a game, and I love the what.
Speaker 3: You found when he's taking me.
Speaker 2: So I was just I was the fling of the season.
Speaker 4: You were Did we win? I think we win? And
Speaker 4: she even said she was a hard clan to crack
Speaker 4: at first. She was you had to put her on
Speaker 4: the steamer. You don't even took her?
Speaker 2: Please do us?
Speaker 3: And he never ever?
Speaker 2: Please don't have as a clam.
Speaker 4: So sorry, not a clam. I can't say a clam,
Speaker 4: but that's what I called her all year long. Okay,
Speaker 4: she was just hard to open and finally she didn't
Speaker 4: she smiled.
Speaker 3: I hate all of it.
Speaker 4: This is so cringe.
Speaker 1: Cringe, Okay, Well, take you guys off the hot seat
Speaker 1: for a second. Obviously we've got to tease you a
Speaker 1: little and little because we got to keep it honest
Speaker 1: for the challenge. Fan that is listening, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: doing my job if I wasn't. But another serious but
Speaker 1: not serious question for you session so and we'll get
Speaker 1: to it. But when you saw the elimination, you sort
Speaker 1: of reference like, oh, it's like a TikTok challenge. What
Speaker 1: was your preparation in going into the challenge and how
Speaker 1: much of that preparation involved watching TikTok videos to get prepared?
Speaker 4: Zero? Because I haven't a TikTok account. I just don't
Speaker 4: watch it ever, and I just I've seen him on
Speaker 4: Instagram whatever. But my ex's brother used to film stuff
Speaker 4: like that, so that's why I knew about him. He
Speaker 4: used to try and make me do him in the
Speaker 4: house and stuff, and it was fun, you know, like
Speaker 4: Thanksgiving lineup, ping pong, coupsle around the house. And actually
Speaker 4: on my Survivor's season, I won a daily that was
Speaker 4: very similar to this, this style of challenge, and the
Speaker 4: guy that engineered it said he got off TikTok, So yeah,
Speaker 4: it's kind of my that was my mental I thought
Speaker 4: I had it in the bag. It was my kind
Speaker 4: of thing.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you found you felt pretty competent going
Speaker 1: into that elimination. Overall for the season, did you feel
Speaker 1: confident going into this house? Did you feel like a
Speaker 1: fish out of water? What was your vibe when you
Speaker 1: walked into the Challenge House for the very first time?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it had been five fucking years since
Speaker 4: I played, you know, the game, so it was different.
Speaker 4: Just came out of a relationship myself. So how to
Speaker 4: get the game the mind back in the game took
Speaker 4: a while, not gonna lie, you know. The interview stuff's
Speaker 4: uh just collicked after about a week. But it felt
Speaker 4: good right as I was getting, you know, close to
Speaker 4: the end, I was really getting comfortable, you know, two
Speaker 4: three weeks in felt like at home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it is hard. It's like to
Speaker 3: come into a Challenge House and then like obviously you
Speaker 3: had the Survivor team on lock. And the cool thing
Speaker 3: about the way the Survivor Alliance moved is like you
Speaker 3: had some like obvious brains of the operation. Yeah, where
Speaker 3: like the Daisi's, the Mikayla's like the Chanelle's. Like the
Speaker 3: women really took the lead of the Survivor alliance, and
Speaker 3: like you kind of had the ability to like float
Speaker 3: for a while behind them and work with them. It
Speaker 3: wasn't until this episode where you're like, okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: finally play stretch, let's throw course.
Speaker 4: Let's go Well okay, well that was the problem. Like
Speaker 4: when I was on the Survivor, I didn't win because
Speaker 4: I allowed the these big threats and these big guys,
Speaker 4: big voices to go to the end and take you know,
Speaker 4: control of the game from there. But that was kind
Speaker 4: of a driving thing, like let's start thinking bigger. But
Speaker 4: also those girls. We had five big, beautiful, strong as
Speaker 4: have said it again, powerful clan they like powerful clams. Baby, Okay,
Speaker 4: we're gonna cut the clams. But no, they just they
Speaker 4: know what they're doing and it's nice to have them
Speaker 4: in front of me so I can kind of slow
Speaker 4: and enjoy the game.
Speaker 2: So was that the strategy?
Speaker 1: Were you kind of shielding yourself behind powerful women all
Speaker 1: season up until this point?
Speaker 4: Maybe No, it just happened by for five girls, plus
Speaker 4: I started to like one a lot on another girl,
Speaker 4: So that's six girls.
Speaker 1: I can kind of you liked one a lot, or
Speaker 1: you loved one because I and I love you.
Speaker 4: I love her personality, I love everything about her, but
Speaker 4: I liked you in a romantic, magical way. Don't walk
Speaker 4: it back now, I know he did.
Speaker 1: And you told Tori you loved her because you brought
Speaker 1: it up. I wouldn't bring it up yet, hag. You
Speaker 1: told Toy you loved her at any other point throughout
Speaker 1: the season prior to when you said it, Probably.
Speaker 4: When we were drunk a thousand times. But we're like, no,
Speaker 4: not during the day, during coffee or anything in the morning.
Speaker 2: But yes, Torri, how do keep feel?
Speaker 3: Listen? It was a lot like I had a Sebastian
Speaker 3: and I had a rule. I was not cute or
Speaker 3: friendly until after seven pm because everything it was too
Speaker 3: fucking early for the ship. He was trying to be
Speaker 3: cute to me. I was like, Sebastian, no, okay, no,
Speaker 3: I was. I was here for a game, you know,
Speaker 3: like as much as people think, like you know, I was,
Speaker 3: I was very much there and very much focused on
Speaker 3: the game, and Sebastian was just an added bonus, like
Speaker 3: you know, you hear Fetty comment about it like it
Speaker 3: is nice to have somebody to confide the challenge house.
Speaker 3: And we did. We grew, we we grew close and
Speaker 3: like we had a lovely time. But I definitely put
Speaker 3: parameters on the hours of being mushy.
Speaker 4: Because I was like, hell, she was good. I had
Speaker 4: my clock set for six forty five. I said, Okay,
Speaker 4: fifteen more minutes and we get my favorite toy, who
Speaker 4: there was not a morning person. I had to get
Speaker 4: her coffee to get her going, you know, get massager,
Speaker 4: a little, a little lubrication, but that's oh god, oh, not.
Speaker 1: Like that, like wow, mom, if you're listening, to go ahead
Speaker 1: and turn it off now, just turn off, all right,
Speaker 1: and not.
Speaker 4: Like that, like to get the day going a little fuel.
Speaker 2: You know, you gave her some fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had to wait till the evening.
Speaker 3: Because disclaimer, Sebastian and I never had sex on the show.
Speaker 2: I want everyone to know that, Sebastian is that true.
Speaker 4: It is, but we didn't leave the country before it
Speaker 4: did happen.
Speaker 2: So wow, why would you even tell people that.
Speaker 4: You set it first?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm trying to play it cool.
Speaker 3: Then you just like open this ship off.
Speaker 2: But you know what we say about this podcast, Sebastian.
Speaker 1: Our motto, our newly adopted model is don't overthink, just overshare.
Speaker 2: And you are doing just that, my friend, and we
Speaker 2: appreciate you.
Speaker 4: I mean, is there any ability like cut scene?
Speaker 3: Nobody that overthake, Sebastian. No, it's time to start off.
Speaker 1: Okay, Sebastian, did you leave Tory any love letters? And
Speaker 1: then we'll get back to talking about the game, and
Speaker 1: then we'll come back to this. Did you leave any notes?
Speaker 1: Because there's you know, in the challenge, people have been
Speaker 1: known to leave like t shirts that smells like like
Speaker 1: them or love notes. Tory, go ahead and turn off
Speaker 1: your camera. Don't be given evil eyes. Stink guy to
Speaker 1: Sebastian to try and get him not to answer.
Speaker 4: Something.
Speaker 2: Did you leave something for Toy when you left the house?
Speaker 4: Of course I did not. I really like that. Just
Speaker 4: a little note, a little yeah, Toy.
Speaker 2: Do you still have that note or did you add
Speaker 2: it to the collection or did you throw.
Speaker 4: You kept in box?
Speaker 3: It's here somewhere, it's around the house. Listen. The other
Speaker 3: thing that that I think is really hilarious that Sebastian
Speaker 3: tried to leave me. So as Sebastian, we get each
Speaker 3: other a hugbye. He runs up to me, pops down.
Speaker 3: He starts digging in his pocket. Now to give a
Speaker 3: past you know, I'm not sure if anybody remembers, but
Speaker 3: I was proposed to in the elimination stand by Jordan.
Speaker 3: So immediately I see Sebastian coming up to me, reaching
Speaker 3: in his pocket, and I have PTFC. I'm like, what
Speaker 3: is about? What is he about to pull it? Tej
Speaker 3: even goes not again, says that goes not again. I'm mortified. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then Sebastian pulls out this tiny little heart shaped rock.
Speaker 3: So there was a sweet moment. He was trying to
Speaker 3: give me a heart shaped rock. We had been collecting
Speaker 3: them all season. His mom does that, and I thought
Speaker 3: it was a really cute thing. So he gave me
Speaker 3: a rock at the end. But it was almost as
Speaker 3: if he was proposing to me. And that's why you
Speaker 3: kind of see him if you're rewind, you kind of
Speaker 3: see him running off from right in front of me
Speaker 3: from the stands.
Speaker 4: I didn't even think about that. That was just naturally
Speaker 4: action me. I had to go give you the rock.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry to.
Speaker 3: Forgive you.
Speaker 2: Oh he's using that L word again. See damn it,
Speaker 2: we're gonna.
Speaker 4: I'm a lover. I love everything I love.
Speaker 2: Don't try and clean it up now see baths. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's see a little bit more about this game, you guys.
Speaker 1: So what do you guys think about Mikayla calling Because
Speaker 1: Mikayla seemed to clock Chris early in this episode around
Speaker 1: his kind of what seemed to be shady or shisty moves.
Speaker 2: What was your reaction to that, Sebastian.
Speaker 4: Says the question again. Sorry, I was facing out.
Speaker 2: Not you still thinking about Tori? Oh, Tori, turn the camera.
Speaker 4: Look.
Speaker 1: He said you are rock, but he really wanted it
Speaker 1: to be a rock made of something mel now, like
Speaker 1: a real diamond rock for those Sebastian, what were your
Speaker 1: thoughts about Michayla calling out Chris early in this Like before,
Speaker 1: so we obviously see Chris start to get shady, right,
Speaker 1: but in the episode, Mikayla already is sensing him.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 1: And did you start to sense early on that maybe
Speaker 1: Chris was a little shady?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Well I knew him from Survivor, I
Speaker 4: knew how he did it. Of course I want to
Speaker 4: be his best friend because he's my only guy from
Speaker 4: the show. But I think I knew that in the
Speaker 4: back of my mind. I was just waiting for it
Speaker 4: to play out, wait for a seat, like in an action.
Speaker 4: But Michayla is so good at like figuring people out
Speaker 4: before they're even thinking of it. I'm pretty sure. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So she was like coming into my room and like
Speaker 4: pull me into a closet in the clothes and whisper
Speaker 4: like exactly what she thought Chris was doing what everyone
Speaker 4: and she was right on everything, but she would also
Speaker 4: like second guess herself, but usually she was. She was
Speaker 4: pretty spot on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think michaela had a really good way of
Speaker 3: reading people. And I mean, listen, I liked Chris because
Speaker 3: I think he was very friendly to me, and like,
Speaker 3: you know, if he's being friendly to you and you're
Speaker 3: not from his original alliance, you can only imagine how
Speaker 3: he's probably acting with other people. And also him saying, like,
Speaker 3: you know, my top four guys in the game, like
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that that's exactly the way those other
Speaker 3: guys felt about Chris, and so that's kind of yeah,
Speaker 3: I think he kind of he wanted to believe that
Speaker 3: that's what was happening, and so I think that he
Speaker 3: kind of misread a lot of the relationships he was building,
Speaker 3: Like I mean, listen, I think that ultimately he's having
Speaker 3: to deal with what he what he the you know,
Speaker 3: the mess he's made. So it's just he's gonna have
Speaker 3: to lay in his own bed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get into this daily. So TJ apparently likes math.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but okay, and so you guys
Speaker 1: are having to do, you know, jump a little bit
Speaker 1: of jumping, a little bit of math. Uh, tell us
Speaker 1: what was the secret sauce to solving that? Because some
Speaker 1: people were real struggle bussing. And by some people, I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of people.
Speaker 3: Everybody, Yeah, except for Sebastian. Sebastian kind of done first,
Speaker 3: Like how did you off?
Speaker 4: I don't even know. Like we used to have my
Speaker 4: neighbors at a trampoline every day we're jumping on the scene. Okay,
Speaker 4: so naturally a trampoline artists should have went to uh
Speaker 4: what said she called the city walk? Anyway, I should
Speaker 4: have went to Curtis, But no, I just did it
Speaker 4: in sections like simple mask comes easy to me. I
Speaker 4: think me and Tory were working on flash cards, like
Speaker 4: fucking three weeks in advance for that, thank you for
Speaker 4: that excellent bet skill.
Speaker 2: That's kinky.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so math was on the brain and uh that's key,
Speaker 4: yeah flash cards, but no math was on the brain.
Speaker 4: And I did it in sections five, four, three to
Speaker 4: the groups and it added up perfectly, So thank god,
Speaker 4: because I didn't want to go back. And then everyone's like, yo,
Speaker 4: Sid said, what's the number? The number next? Who did
Speaker 4: you tell me? I think my mind told Torri. Maybe
Speaker 4: just she read my mind knew the number.
Speaker 3: I may or may not have been looking at people's
Speaker 3: boards running past me.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: But but I honestly wondering if people were doing that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I listening people.
Speaker 3: Production had made it very clear, like after you got
Speaker 3: it wrong, you had to go back on there and
Speaker 3: jump like they were they And it was hard, really
Speaker 3: really really hard to jump on a trampoline and do math.
Speaker 3: And it's funny because you know they say they were.
Speaker 3: The trampolines were perfectly sized to us, and they had
Speaker 3: called us out before the challenge. They had one of
Speaker 3: the crew members from the show come in and measure.
Speaker 4: Us all, and we were like the measuring tape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with measuring tape. And we all got pulled down
Speaker 3: to like where the production office was and we had
Speaker 3: to stand with our arms up and I'm like, we're
Speaker 3: getting measured, and like, you know, it's for something that's
Speaker 3: made for you. I'm like, is it better to act
Speaker 3: smaller or taller? Like I'm I'm not trying to.
Speaker 4: Figure out you know, like of course already started.
Speaker 3: I'm like trying to cheat the game. Yeah, but no,
Speaker 3: it did it not.
Speaker 4: You only had like a split second to It was
Speaker 4: really hard so high.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really, really really difficult. But the hardest
Speaker 3: part was definitely the trampolines on the truck. Like everybody
Speaker 3: was grunting on that thing.
Speaker 4: Like, dude, we both broke our backs. Literally I saw stars.
Speaker 4: I saw stars like ten seconds. Yeah, I don't even
Speaker 4: know how you felt. Well.
Speaker 3: I was waiting to get airlifted out of there. I
Speaker 3: didn't think I walk.
Speaker 4: I mean we're on a runway anyways, I was like,
Speaker 4: where's my uber helicopter?
Speaker 3: Like what is happening?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: Pretty brutal, but ultimately, like Betsy had it on lock.
Speaker 3: But that's why he's a professional trampoline artist.
Speaker 4: Guy.
Speaker 2: Now, yes, bike.
Speaker 4: Ball, he just did slam ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, slamball. I should probably should.
Speaker 4: Know the name. What we talked about crazy and he's
Speaker 4: so good. He was like the best one there. Dude,
Speaker 4: he's so good.
Speaker 3: So you lost to a professional, so that should make
Speaker 3: you feel better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the dude got every single flag possible.
Speaker 4: So at least I got like more than everyone else.
Speaker 4: I'm happy with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you went early, which is impressive because, like
Speaker 1: fest said, there's always an advantage to going last because
Speaker 1: you can analyze everyone else's strategy and.
Speaker 2: Kind of figure out what to do what not to do.
Speaker 1: And you went for you and early, and yet you
Speaker 1: still crushed it, and that actually arguably is more impressive than.
Speaker 3: It's kind of it's kind of impressive. But we got
Speaker 3: to talk about this because go ahead, Tori Sebastian. Because
Speaker 3: he came in first in the math, he was able
Speaker 3: to pick which he he went in for the flags,
Speaker 3: and he put himself actually at fourth to be the
Speaker 3: what you went You went second guy?
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I just wanted one of the guys go.
Speaker 3: I don't know that, but so so he put Festi
Speaker 3: at the end, which gave Fi the ultimate a.
Speaker 1: So Sebastian that point I just gave you. I'm taking
Speaker 1: it back. I'm not smart.
Speaker 4: So I was waiting for you to finish, and as
Speaker 4: I see Torri in the corner and then I cannot
Speaker 4: wait to talk, I knew it was coming.
Speaker 3: So well, that's all right, it happens, you know. That's
Speaker 3: that's the difference between being a challenge VET and then
Speaker 3: somebody coming into the game. Like it's those tiny little
Speaker 3: things like if you have the opportunity to select an order,
Speaker 3: you have to like put yourself towards the end, even
Speaker 3: if that means you're waiting all day and it's annoying.
Speaker 3: The reset there's six hours between your turn whatever, you
Speaker 3: have to do it because then you can count the score.
Speaker 4: And I have to give like specifically you and Johnny
Speaker 4: and everyone. Really that was a VET out there. The
Speaker 4: highest pray is because me personally coming in as a
Speaker 4: rookie to this game, I learned so much from them,
Speaker 4: and it was really really cool to see how they
Speaker 4: operated during these challenges and the way they thought throughout
Speaker 4: the house, their strategy, their mindset. It was really really cool.
Speaker 4: I learned a lot from these guys, especially this girl
Speaker 4: so thank you guys.
Speaker 2: It was really from.
Speaker 1: I will say it has been interesting watching the Vets
Speaker 1: this season and the way the game is structured. I
Speaker 1: feel as a viewer, it feels like the Vets have
Speaker 1: had to be a little bit more open in their
Speaker 1: knowledge because it's been, as Bananas shared, you know a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago on the podcast, sort of the currency
Speaker 1: to keep from being voted in or to make alliances with.
Speaker 3: These other groups.
Speaker 1: But it's actually nice to see because I feel like
Speaker 1: there's a different kind of bond that we've seen form
Speaker 1: with rookies and Vets this year versus other challenges where
Speaker 1: it's a lot of rookies a lot of Vets, and
Speaker 1: the Vets really hold everything close to their chest and
Speaker 1: really kind of keep the rookies fully out. Oh and
Speaker 1: I feel like there's been a different kind of integration
Speaker 1: here which has just been been nice.
Speaker 4: It wasn't your mainstream challenge script as they may say,
Speaker 4: you know, it was kind of like they had to
Speaker 4: have these Like I think Tory said on the second day,
Speaker 4: we're gonna be perfect, We're gonna work together. I thinking
Speaker 4: in my head, well, why would we be perfect other
Speaker 4: than you need friends in this house because you guys
Speaker 4: are outnumbered already. You know, so who.
Speaker 2: Picked who in this relationship, Sebastian, did you pick toy Toy?
Speaker 2: Did you pick some like who made the first who.
Speaker 4: Was like in charge? Here?
Speaker 3: Let's just go back to the first episode where Sebastian's
Speaker 3: happy he's on my team because he said he's attracted
Speaker 3: to me. Can we start there?
Speaker 4: Okay, that's where they're started. You want me to go, yeah,
Speaker 4: you could go.
Speaker 2: And I really love Billy here the.
Speaker 3: Side of the story.
Speaker 4: All right, I'm gonna be like, I only watched a
Speaker 4: few seasons of The Challenge, right, and my sister was
Speaker 4: a big fan of the show back in the day,
Speaker 4: and she was like, Sebastian, you gotta watch my favorite player.
Speaker 4: She just got engaged on the show. I feel like
Speaker 4: you would really love her. She's really tough, really cool,
Speaker 4: and she's my favorite on the show. So I watched it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, that's awesome. Little I know
Speaker 4: it's Tory. Three years later, I get asked to be
Speaker 4: on the show and I start, you know, binge watching
Speaker 4: as much as I can, and sure enough, I see
Speaker 4: her right off the bat, and I said, holy shit,
Speaker 4: she's hot, Like this girl is hot, like she's a
Speaker 4: dooor on jet ski, come on, badass, So immediately I
Speaker 4: was attracted. Thanks, So it's me. Probably I probably made
Speaker 4: the first one.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Tory, you're blushing over there, any comment, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking, like it was an interesting road for me.
Speaker 3: I really did not have any interest in talking or
Speaker 3: connecting with anybody because I'm tired of that storyline for myself.
Speaker 3: As much as others are tired of it, I am
Speaker 3: also tired of it. So just know that. And I
Speaker 3: said that so much to Sebastian, but he was very persistent,
Speaker 3: and it did get to a point in the game
Speaker 3: where it was very nice to have somebody who was
Speaker 3: friendly and very caring and nice. So it just kind
Speaker 3: of naturally grew in that direction. But I, more than anything,
Speaker 3: it's unfortunate because I walk away from this experience just
Speaker 3: looking at it, like, you know, as much as I
Speaker 3: did like connecting with you, it was it was just
Speaker 3: another TV show maance for me, and I just hate
Speaker 3: I hated having I hate doing that to myself, you know.
Speaker 3: So it's just it's just kind of bittersweet in a way.
Speaker 3: And I think you're a great person, like I love
Speaker 3: you as a friend and all of these, you know,
Speaker 3: but it's just it's just, you know, it's an interesting
Speaker 3: environment to connect with somebody.
Speaker 4: In totally, and I think I felt, you know, guilty
Speaker 4: to it twice because I came out of a four
Speaker 4: year relationship, five year relationship, just like you and Jordan did.
Speaker 4: And I think my mindset for the last year was
Speaker 4: I want to be by myself. I don't need anyone
Speaker 4: in my life. I don't need a companion like I
Speaker 4: had the last five years. I just want to focus
Speaker 4: on me and I'm going into this house and I'm
Speaker 4: going to do that. But I couldn't help it. With you.
Speaker 4: I felt something like, it's just weird like this. You
Speaker 4: see the same people every day, and this hot ass
Speaker 4: keeps walking by winking at me.
Speaker 2: He innocent, she's over here, give me.
Speaker 4: The look like something a little spark.
Speaker 2: Ever, twinkle twinkle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just adding a little proof to it. Whatever.
Speaker 5: But she said that he was Wait, was there a wink?
Speaker 2: Was Did she wink at you at any point throughout
Speaker 2: the season?
Speaker 4: Maybe a wink or two? You know, I'm gonna play
Speaker 4: the ta Okay, get the corner camp. No, it's just
Speaker 4: hard to control the way I feel, at least personally.
Speaker 4: So it was awesome to have her out there, and
Speaker 4: it's just fun. It's nice.
Speaker 1: We need to take a quick break, but don't worry.
Speaker 1: There'll be more love and whatever. This is right back
Speaker 1: after this, All right, let's go back to the game.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Feesti's strategy. Well, first of all, I
Speaker 1: just have to props to Tory for winning again times
Speaker 1: in her row and the individual challenge, like showing the reason,
Speaker 1: the reason why she has so many haters, because I mean, seriously,
Speaker 1: you make it look easy. Tory, What did you think
Speaker 1: hearing Bessie's strategy going into deliberation when he was kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, telling us, hey, you know, here are my line, says,
Speaker 1: I don't really want to do this. I know what
Speaker 1: Toy is gonna want to do, but I'm going to
Speaker 1: try and sway her.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he wasn't wrong, you know, I wasn't
Speaker 3: going to do west or Bananas like FeSi may have
Speaker 3: not pulled up on the jet ski, but I did,
Speaker 3: and I just it just I didn't have it in
Speaker 3: my heart to do that. And I already know, like
Speaker 3: Festi has an interesting relationships with the Vets, and like,
Speaker 3: you know, he's made it to finals and hasn't won,
Speaker 3: so I can understand exactly where that comes from. But
Speaker 3: you know, ultimately it came down to, all right, if
Speaker 3: the Vets are off the table, and if Tyler's off
Speaker 3: the table, it literally leaves us with Sebastian and Chris,
Speaker 3: And right, Sebastian's pola dicking worked because I wasn't gonna
Speaker 3: throw him in like that's fucked up, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think West came up to me and the
Speaker 4: Jimmy's like, well done as a rookie, it's pretty impressive
Speaker 4: to see you go into a full blown challenge relationship
Speaker 4: with Vet like Torri, you're here completely protected, like actually
Speaker 4: I guess that is true, but no, yeah, well it
Speaker 4: just happens.
Speaker 3: It only worked on one end of the spectrum because
Speaker 3: then you end up getting seven votes. Anyway.
Speaker 4: Well that's the shitty thing is with the seasons that
Speaker 4: you never know, damn hopper.
Speaker 1: But right, I mean that's what makes it a little
Speaker 1: bit fun, I'd argue, And back to Bessie's point, he
Speaker 1: does make a good point. It was interesting to see
Speaker 1: him sort of I don't say be two faced, but
Speaker 1: in a way like on one hand him being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're with the Vets, and then on the side you
Speaker 1: see him saying like, as soon as we can throwing West,
Speaker 1: throwing bananas because they right.
Speaker 2: But but it's she's right, like they do.
Speaker 1: They charisma, and then they make it to the end
Speaker 1: and then everybody's wondering how they come out, mainly how
Speaker 1: bananas comes out on first place, you know, in first
Speaker 1: place or whatever else. And so Bessie wasn't wrong and
Speaker 1: that point. Now, Sebastian, what is your beef with Corey?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 4: Literally no beef? Okay, So that was just like me,
Speaker 4: I love the kid the whole time. I just didn't
Speaker 4: really have any game with him. So he was just
Speaker 4: a big guy for me to go out. I know,
Speaker 4: he was probably saving it for the end. And that
Speaker 4: was my thought process, was why did I go home
Speaker 4: last time? Where can I start this time? So I
Speaker 4: just you know, kind of fit for me. I didn't.
Speaker 4: I kind of wanted to work with Bananas. Towards the end,
Speaker 4: I wanted to start moving. I was getting closer with Wes.
Speaker 4: Obviously with Tory and then with FESSI I was pretty close.
Speaker 4: I was just hoping that, you know, maybe that would work,
Speaker 4: and unfortunately it was not good in hindsight.
Speaker 1: Did Tori make an enemy any tips or did you
Speaker 1: ever think about earlier in the games starting to forge
Speaker 1: some of these bonds with the vets, because it seemed
Speaker 1: like you were sort of doing this last ditch effort thing,
Speaker 1: you know, do you did it ever cross your mind?
Speaker 1: Did you attempt to do that? Did Toy give you
Speaker 1: advice around that? Earlier on?
Speaker 4: She'd give me bits and pieces. She kind of let me,
Speaker 4: you know, do my own game. She would always say
Speaker 4: you do you and know whatever. But she teached me
Speaker 4: a few tricks of the trade that I just you know,
Speaker 4: I was always listening, always watching the way that they worked,
Speaker 4: and like I said, that's how I learned a lot
Speaker 4: in the thirty days that I was there.
Speaker 2: Did you try talking to them earlier on?
Speaker 4: Like not, seriously, I don't think I gave it really
Speaker 4: an effort. I was just, you know, kind of doing
Speaker 4: the survivor thing. I really was just working with them,
Speaker 4: because that's really what it was. During teams and the
Speaker 4: early parts of the game. I know, we wanted the
Speaker 4: vets out, but sometimes it just wasn't realistically possible, so
Speaker 4: it was pretty much Big Brother survivor Yeah, did.
Speaker 1: You think of the risk of because we see a
Speaker 1: moment where you start saying, Corey, it seems like all
Speaker 1: systems are just to go in your mind suddenly, or like.
Speaker 2: A switch flips.
Speaker 4: Maybe a couple of drinks in my bloodstreams, that'll do it.
Speaker 4: That'll always talk when I'm drunk, so okay, can back
Speaker 4: me up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that'll do it. And then we see Tory
Speaker 2: sort of going.
Speaker 5: Oh no, when you start talking about Corey, did you
Speaker 5: think it all about the risk of not just being
Speaker 5: so vocal in your targets, but targeting someone.
Speaker 2: Who is technically a VET.
Speaker 1: So did you consider the risks that are the ramifications
Speaker 1: that might come with that, or was drunk SeaBASS just
Speaker 1: thinking of clams and not really like.
Speaker 4: I don't want to put this on the rum, but
Speaker 4: I think this was the rum. I don't know. I
Speaker 4: think when I obviously drink, Yeah, I'm going to say
Speaker 4: some things that I wish I didn't am I thinking
Speaker 4: about the fact that everyone's three feet away from me
Speaker 4: at the same bar. No, so that obviously was you know,
Speaker 4: a little premature for me to be talking about like
Speaker 4: that and just launching a came out like I think
Speaker 4: I said his name first to you, Tori. In my brain,
Speaker 4: I think I had talked to maybe two or three
Speaker 4: people that evening before, but really it was just you
Speaker 4: know what, big guy, can I get out now I'm drunk,
Speaker 4: Let's say something, And now it turned into whole things.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think, like I said, in the beginning,
Speaker 3: you kind of relied on your politicking and by letting
Speaker 3: other people lead it. And now when you look at it,
Speaker 3: all of the people that were running the Survivor Alliance
Speaker 3: aside from Chris, are women. So you are the only
Speaker 3: guy now trying to navigate how to get out of
Speaker 3: this situation to not go against oh yeah, And so
Speaker 3: that's why you're like, Okay, it's my time to speak now,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: But of course everybody in the.
Speaker 3: Alliance has already been making deals and kind of running
Speaker 3: the show, and somebody decides finally on week six, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I want to say something now, but everybody's already been
Speaker 3: comfortable running the ship. Why am I going to pass
Speaker 3: the steering wheel to you? You know, like I don't
Speaker 3: think you were in the wrong. I think that, like,
Speaker 3: you know, you you go as far as you can
Speaker 3: go with people, kind of like taking like that presidential
Speaker 3: like power and then hiding behind it until you have to.
Speaker 3: It's just unfortunate that you lost the elimination because you know,
Speaker 3: it's just how it worked out.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think it was just like a quick three
Speaker 4: days after that, you know, six voats. I got the
Speaker 4: episode before, you know, and then I get it again.
Speaker 4: It was a lot of like, Okay, I got to
Speaker 4: actually steer the ship here. I got to get in
Speaker 4: charge of the boat here and figure it out quickly.
Speaker 4: So my mind was just racing. It was nice, you know,
Speaker 4: why not use that gigantic survivor wall whatever and run
Speaker 4: as far as you can with it until you have to.
Speaker 4: But I should have been, you know, game planning ahead
Speaker 4: of time a little bit better now, you know, for
Speaker 4: next time. Next time when you see me, I'll be
Speaker 4: a little bit smarter here, that's right.
Speaker 2: What is going on with you?
Speaker 1: I know you were sort of up against the wall,
Speaker 1: so it had to I mean, ultimately it came down
Speaker 1: to a nail binding elimination between you and Chris. But
Speaker 1: where does your relationship stand now? You guys were ultimately
Speaker 1: in that same alliance initially and seemingly close. Where does
Speaker 1: your relationship stand now?
Speaker 4: Really good? I think as soon as we got done,
Speaker 4: we were spending a little time in another part of
Speaker 4: Croatia and he went to Greece with his wife, so
Speaker 4: he called me when we were there. We just had,
Speaker 4: you know, best friend bro, what up to? Totally normal.
Speaker 4: As soon as we get back, he came down to Florida,
Speaker 4: visited me. We took him fishing, did a couple of
Speaker 4: days down here in Miami, and it just felt like
Speaker 4: my best friend again. Like I had hoped we'd have
Speaker 4: the entire time of the show, but of course you
Speaker 4: had politicking and the anxiety that comes with the show
Speaker 4: that we don't get to really be best friends. But
Speaker 4: then he came down like next week, stayed with me
Speaker 4: and we had the premiere party down here and we're
Speaker 4: going up to his place up in Charleston next week
Speaker 4: actually to watch this episode. So we're really good friends.
Speaker 1: Uh, Chris Sebastian, did you ever apologize to Chris relying
Speaker 1: on him? Because we definitely saw you fully John Ay
Speaker 1: and live and say that he was the one.
Speaker 2: Spreading the rumor about Corey.
Speaker 1: What was the thought present that, especially if you're talking
Speaker 1: about he's your best friend, because that didn't even seem
Speaker 1: like it needed to be done, and you just threw
Speaker 1: it in that for a little extra raza.
Speaker 4: Okay, you know what. It was a little razzias. But
Speaker 4: here's why I wake up, you know, grab a couple
Speaker 4: of coffee, hungover as fuck, and here comes Principal Corey.
Speaker 4: I felt like I had to go talk to the principle, like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to say something.
Speaker 2: They kind of approached that like a principle for sure.
Speaker 4: Well, I was just like, I know I have to
Speaker 4: I know, I have to make up a lie here.
Speaker 4: Un let's just tell him straight up. Yes, I'm talking shit,
Speaker 4: which I don't want to. Why not use Chris right now?
Speaker 4: He's perfect, he's spiraling. So I just kind of said, yeah,
Speaker 4: it was fucking Chris.
Speaker 2: You know what would have happened if you had told
Speaker 2: him the truth?
Speaker 4: Probably the you know what, I should have seen the truth? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I know, same sex. It already came out the night before,
Speaker 4: So as long as it's in the air, it's going
Speaker 4: to be out there. But yeah, I said what I said.
Speaker 4: But no, I didn't talk to Chris about it yet.
Speaker 4: I probably will when you watch this episode together, as
Speaker 4: I hold his hand and buy him about ten Margerita.
Speaker 4: But no, sound good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean listen, I think that we see it
Speaker 3: time and time again. Until your back is up against
Speaker 3: the wall.
Speaker 2: You're a good person.
Speaker 3: Everyone's a great person, you like nice and sweet, and
Speaker 3: then the moment your back is against the wall, you
Speaker 3: pull some shit and you're like, I didn't even know
Speaker 3: I had that in me, Like it's just no.
Speaker 4: It's like the classic office thing where it's like you,
Speaker 4: who's gonna put them up? It's your fault?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like everybody's going at each other trying
Speaker 3: to like, you know, shift the direction and shift the
Speaker 3: blame onto somebody else. So it's listen, it's part of
Speaker 3: the game. It's part of what makes it interesting for
Speaker 3: people and viewers to watch us all psychologically spiral on
Speaker 3: this show.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, you know, it's like all over the place,
Speaker 4: it's hilarious. Yeah, but that's really how it is to
Speaker 4: a point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean after so like this week, obviously you
Speaker 3: knew you were probably gonna get a lot of votes
Speaker 3: after the week prior. There was a funny like interview
Speaker 3: of the week prior. You're sitting there and you're like, wow,
Speaker 3: now I'm gonna have to go home and figure out
Speaker 3: where these votes came from. Meanwhile, it was like half thous.
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, that much of a mystery.
Speaker 4: Sebastian, Well, let me see if I take you away
Speaker 4: from okay only Yeah that's about not everly So I
Speaker 4: know I thought my mastic plan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so going into this week, I mean, I know
Speaker 3: you felt that the pressure and the tension, like knowing
Speaker 3: that you had so many from last week, But like,
Speaker 3: did you when you saw your face in the arena
Speaker 3: you look shocked when you saw those votes? Did you
Speaker 3: did you think that maybe you were they were going
Speaker 3: to go another way?
Speaker 4: I mean, I knew I would have at least three
Speaker 4: or four, but I think just the shocking factor of
Speaker 4: seeing that fucking board go. Sebastian. Yeah, every time you
Speaker 4: got one, you had a mini heart attacks. So I
Speaker 4: had like six many heart attacks. I think I was
Speaker 4: just like, yep, it's real. Yeah, And that's why I'm say,
Speaker 4: like my facial express are so I don't even know
Speaker 4: what I'm doing my face half the time, so I
Speaker 4: probably look a little bit more dramatic than I do.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I was shocked down there. It's definitely not
Speaker 4: where you want to be.
Speaker 3: What did you think about, like Josh voting for you?
Speaker 3: Did you? Were you expecting that?
Speaker 4: My Sonny boy? Well he says he'll always make it
Speaker 4: up to me whatever whatever, But no, he he's just Josh.
Speaker 4: He'll say one thing to your face, I got you.
Speaker 4: I'll not voting for you, man. But then you see
Speaker 4: the vote. I kind of, you know, saw it coming
Speaker 4: for his game and wasn't really mad at him. He
Speaker 4: had voted for me the week before, so you know,
Speaker 4: I was kind of expecting that one. But yeah, but
Speaker 4: we've gotten a lot closer, like living so close here
Speaker 4: in Miami. It's it's really nice to having him down
Speaker 4: here as a brother. So hopefully next season he won't
Speaker 4: pull that ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, and listen, we all we probably will.
Speaker 4: I know, he probably will will never change like he
Speaker 4: always says, he's trying.
Speaker 3: To be difflop in real shit, he probably love them.
Speaker 2: You probably we love Josh. I love Josh.
Speaker 3: So for this elimination, like you know, we see you
Speaker 3: calling out for bananas. Midway through, you see you pegging
Speaker 3: these balls at these like they look like solar panels.
Speaker 3: That's what I called them in my mind, you know.
Speaker 3: And so like like what was happening, Like were you
Speaker 3: starting to get more frantic, like explain walk us through,
Speaker 3: like what your approach was in this?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I like couldn't get a hold of it.
Speaker 4: First of all, it's in the sand, and it's like
Speaker 4: Chris was very methodical, so I was trying to get
Speaker 4: it even you have to get that shit perfectly, you know,
Speaker 4: lined up, and I think you're trying to be calm.
Speaker 4: It's like half puzzle related, half physical, which is always
Speaker 4: a nightmare. And it's on top of that, it's raining,
Speaker 4: so you're trying to figure out how to play beer pong
Speaker 4: with a cantalope and it's fucking like hard to grip.
Speaker 4: Then you have to perfectly Do you want to peg it?
Speaker 4: Do you want to shoot it? You're trying all these
Speaker 4: things out in your head, and I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 4: how do I do this basically in my head? So
Speaker 4: of course I look frantic, but yeah, you just have
Speaker 4: to get a hold of it. At least they give
Speaker 4: you one hundred and fifty balls to try.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think I was being helpful. I'm like,
Speaker 3: calm down.
Speaker 4: Every time, every time I move those fucking barrels towards
Speaker 4: But she was helping. I was listening. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: want to help, like I want to communicate. Chris wasn't talking.
Speaker 4: I like when you know, Banana is just talking to
Speaker 4: everybody during every single challenge on how he thinks that
Speaker 4: they should do it correctly. If you're on his side,
Speaker 4: I just wanted that second opinion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how approximately how long were you guys out there.
Speaker 2: For that elimination?
Speaker 4: I don't know? To her? How long was that? Twenty minute?
Speaker 2: It feels super long?
Speaker 3: Did it quick?
Speaker 4: I think it was quicker?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, it wasn't that. Yeah, not as long.
Speaker 4: As Tyler's and Monty's. That was brutal. We were sitting
Speaker 4: down and that was like four hours.
Speaker 3: Imagine your ball would have got pulled for that one.
Speaker 4: How do you think you would have yeah me versus Tyler, Well,
Speaker 4: actually that's perfect, perfect too for that, But still that
Speaker 4: would have been a nightmare. Yeah, Tyler said it was
Speaker 4: the worst thing ever.
Speaker 1: Monty said he still has bruises from it. Like from
Speaker 1: the harness. Uh yeah, of them having to do that,
Speaker 1: that was cheering because we see I think it was
Speaker 1: maybe Bananas made a commentary for it, or one of
Speaker 1: the girls, but I know that was such a switch
Speaker 1: Bananas and then one of the girls.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: Somebody made a comment about how no one seems to
Speaker 1: really be cheering Chris on or giving him advice during
Speaker 1: this elimination. Can you guys both speak to like what
Speaker 1: that energy was? Was really no one cheering for Chris
Speaker 1: or Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3: I think that a lot of people were cheering for Sebastian.
Speaker 3: I mean except for the people who voted Sebastian in,
Speaker 3: but regardless, they didn't care who came back. I think
Speaker 3: ultimately across the board, like the Vet boys as well
Speaker 3: as the Big Brother guys, they were all like, this
Speaker 3: is a success no matter what, because one of the
Speaker 3: Survivor players is finally right home.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I think the same thing. Like, you know, Chris,
Speaker 4: that was kind of his home down there in the
Speaker 4: elimination ring, and he was always getting votes and was
Speaker 4: always just kind of used to it, so we're used
Speaker 4: to seeing Chris. And he was also spiraling the two
Speaker 4: days before just kind of not being himself. So fortunately
Speaker 4: I got the fan favorite vote for those couple of
Speaker 4: days and they didn't show up. But like everyone that
Speaker 4: didn't vote for me ran down on the sand gave
Speaker 4: me a big hug. So it's really cool to see
Speaker 4: everybody supporting me. But I don't know, Yeah, Chris was
Speaker 4: just he was on his own at that point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt bad for Chris, you know, like it
Speaker 3: was never personal, like and I don't know, he's a
Speaker 3: bad guy. I think that he just kind of got
Speaker 3: on the outs of the people he was playing with.
Speaker 3: But like Wes said, like with Chris coming back in
Speaker 3: the house and this huge target being on his back now,
Speaker 3: it is good for a lot of other players to
Speaker 3: kind of like Hives.
Speaker 1: Is always scheming the fact that it was like, yes,
Speaker 1: you could be a Wes is always skiming.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I love how I was wearing Tyler's shirt and
Speaker 4: that last you see that toy, Yeah, the pink one,
Speaker 4: the pink fuzzy world.
Speaker 3: I know, I love it. What did you Wes? What
Speaker 3: did you think leaving the game and what did you
Speaker 3: think about Chris going back to the game, Like, what
Speaker 3: did you think was going to happen?
Speaker 4: God. I was like, so no, I mean anytime you
Speaker 4: shift your your life like that, because that's like real
Speaker 4: life for me, playing the game is also real life.
Speaker 4: But it's just such a switch of energy just you know.
Speaker 4: I was so dead. I was deflated. After I sat
Speaker 4: in that car, went to the hotel with the guy,
Speaker 4: and I just couldn't believe it was real because I
Speaker 4: wanted it so bad. Every day I would walk out
Speaker 4: and blow a fucking dandyline out and say I'm going
Speaker 4: to the end of this game. And I would say
Speaker 4: that every day, and I thought I was going to
Speaker 4: the end. I thought I was playing a great game,
Speaker 4: and it was just depressing. And in my opinion, I
Speaker 4: think I was like, Chris is this is like he's
Speaker 4: asking for his time to go, basically writing his own
Speaker 4: digging his own grave. So I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 4: this is his time, this is I'm big on sign.
Speaker 4: So it was you know, Notorious too, and we always
Speaker 4: look to the universe and say what's next, and I
Speaker 4: thought it was Chris. I saw it. But I think
Speaker 4: that's why I was just so so down, so sad.
Speaker 4: I loved it. I love that game. I love playing
Speaker 4: it so much. I hope I get another chance to
Speaker 4: do it because it was just a one centle lifetime
Speaker 4: thing experience that I love to, you know, make happen
Speaker 4: as much as possible. So that was awesome. I loved it.
Speaker 1: Wait, did you go down to the elimination with the
Speaker 1: heart shape rock in your pocket pocket to.
Speaker 3: Give me.
Speaker 4: The case I lost? No? Actually, we had these giant
Speaker 4: hoodies because it was fucking cold as hell at night,
Speaker 4: and I would keep them in that thing because we've
Speaker 4: got all the challenges in them. So I went back
Speaker 4: to the tent and grabbed it real quick, kept it.
Speaker 2: In there the whole time for what good luck?
Speaker 4: Or to remember, they actually split us up for like
Speaker 4: a split second. We go grab water whatever. He set
Speaker 4: the cameras and I grabbed the rock then. So I
Speaker 4: wanted to give her something so she wouldn't forget about me, right,
Speaker 4: you know? A little thing? Yeah, no, little thing. It
Speaker 4: was sweet.
Speaker 3: It was really sweet. I'm sad that it triggered my BDSD,
Speaker 3: but it.
Speaker 4: Was Yes, I love you.
Speaker 2: Wait did he just say that three times y'all to.
Speaker 4: Lay it out? But I said it on TV, so
Speaker 4: we have to talk about it. That's what.
Speaker 3: I don't think that you can't.
Speaker 4: You said it to You said it to No.
Speaker 3: I didn't say it to. No, I didn't.
Speaker 4: No, we're yeah, we're not going to make this showing
Speaker 4: our best.
Speaker 3: We're not gonna don't start lying on the podcast now
Speaker 3: because yeah that was and us.
Speaker 2: You better be careful. She's gonna boach yours.
Speaker 4: I know I'm making enemies now. I'll both pay me.
Speaker 2: First one to know.
Speaker 3: Listen, the game definitely like from here on out, like
Speaker 3: you were definitely a light to have in the house,
Speaker 3: especially because you know, we were getting really close, and
Speaker 3: I can say from here on out the ship gets
Speaker 3: real and yeah, the daily challenge is up after this point,
Speaker 3: after you leaving, it just almost feels like the game
Speaker 3: went from being like, Okay, this is cute and fun
Speaker 3: to like, okay, like it's time for war and yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, it sucks that you weren't able to be there,
Speaker 3: but it.
Speaker 4: Was I wanted that battle.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was. It was awesome having you when you
Speaker 3: were there. So yeah, I'm happy you came on this season.
Speaker 4: Thanks me too. It was a pleasure to meet everyone,
Speaker 4: and just having you specifically was amazing. You were like
Speaker 4: my best friend out there, and I really did enjoy
Speaker 4: our time and getting close with someone really does help
Speaker 4: in that atmosphere.
Speaker 2: So not mote and showmances and politicing for people?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what else do I have to do? I think
Speaker 4: I wrote the perfect script for me to be on
Speaker 4: a dating show by now right, two for two?
Speaker 3: There you go, There you go. More showmances in your
Speaker 3: career than I've had in mind. You take the cake
Speaker 3: in terms of percentages of showmance's on shows. He's two
Speaker 3: to clean up, he's and I think I'm nine for ten.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to start politicking more toy, No more political,
Speaker 4: I'll start, I'll start politicking.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fine. Fashion, thank you so much for coming
Speaker 3: on the show. We'll miss you this season. Where can
Speaker 3: we follow you on Instagram? How can we support.
Speaker 1: You if somebody wants to start polyadiccking with you in
Speaker 1: advance fashion or just slide into your dms?
Speaker 2: But watch out for Where can we find you on
Speaker 2: social media?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Guys, I'm on Instagram, Mermaid Man of all Things,
Speaker 4: my Mermurid right there shouting me out. Toy, thank you,
Speaker 4: but yeah no, if you want to reach out, please
Speaker 4: let's go to the beach or something. I'm down here
Speaker 4: in my lovely Miami.
Speaker 2: Lets was that to your followers because I didn't understand
Speaker 2: who met?
Speaker 4: Or am I go to the beach right now after this? Actually?
Speaker 4: But yeah, if you want to go, let's go to No, guys,
Speaker 4: thank you so much for having me. I had a
Speaker 4: blast and I will be a co triple host on
Speaker 4: one of these in the future if you guys will
Speaker 4: have me. So thanks so much.
Speaker 1: I love, thank you, thank you, thank having on Sebastian,
Speaker 1: and we'll see you on more challenges.
Speaker 4: I'm sure, absolutely, baby, I'll be back. I'm getting better,
Speaker 4: I'm getting stronger. I'm ready.
Speaker 3: All right, Bye Ssian, thank.
Speaker 4: You, bye, guys. Love this peace.
Speaker 3: Well. I would like to not sit here and say
Speaker 3: that that wasn't painful, But that wasn't That was a conversation.
Speaker 3: We just had a conversation.
Speaker 1: The time was I.
Speaker 3: Just kept looking over to your your face, dude, like
Speaker 3: every now and then you'd be.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm not good. We really need visuals for this podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm not good at hiding my facial expressions at all,
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 3: They were bringing me a lot of comfort. But it
Speaker 3: was nice. It was nice to catch up with Sebastian. Obviously,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to follow him on social media and
Speaker 3: see how his life goes.
Speaker 2: She don't follow him?
Speaker 4: You know what more.
Speaker 3: Episode, I do follow him. I do follow him.
Speaker 4: I do, I do.
Speaker 3: But speaking about social media, Devin, where can we follow you?
Speaker 1: You can follow me recovering from this interview? She can
Speaker 1: go to my website to devinsimone dot com. That' Sam
Speaker 1: with the y simone with an I dot com and
Speaker 1: scroll to the bottom.
Speaker 2: You will see the links.
Speaker 3: To my socials.
Speaker 1: If you want to be matched because I am a matchmaker. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's a real thing and it is cuffing season, guys,
Speaker 1: click on the matchmaking tag on my website.
Speaker 2: You can also go to Instagram.
Speaker 1: I'm most active there and I have so much stuff
Speaker 1: to post from the honeymoon, almost getting eaten by lions,
Speaker 1: a lot of cool stuff I usually post to my story.
Speaker 1: So follow me on ig that's stepping with the y
Speaker 1: simone with an I. And what about you, toy, where
Speaker 1: can they find you in socials?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys can find me at Tory Underscore deal
Speaker 3: And also I mentioned my kid's book in this episode,
Speaker 3: which I'm really proud of. You guys can find that
Speaker 3: on my Instagram page if you click the link in
Speaker 3: my bio, it's called the search for Syrup. So check
Speaker 3: it out. If you have a kid, or a friend
Speaker 3: or somebody that you want to give it to, check
Speaker 3: it out because it's where my passion and my heart lies.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you, brownd of a clause that
Speaker 1: is so cool and such a big like undertaking.
Speaker 2: That's really awesome.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, I'm putting my heart
Speaker 3: and soul into the books now and not men. So
Speaker 3: just know that any guy out there that I turn away,
Speaker 3: it's not personal. I'm just busy making books. Okay.
Speaker 2: But did Sebastian get an autograph coffee?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure he has one. He probably does. No,
Speaker 3: Sebastian's a sweetheart. Really sending all love to him for
Speaker 3: coming on here and being so honest, open, and we
Speaker 3: appreciate authentically himself he really is. But more importantly than
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