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Speaker 1: talk about so today, what are we talking about, Mala.
Speaker 2: We're talking about girly things, just girly stuff, all things girl, girlhood.
Speaker 1: Girls.
Speaker 2: I think we're just like the it people last year,
Speaker 2: especially on social media, everything is.
Speaker 1: Girl math, girl dinner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're girls. We're gonna put our hair up in
Speaker 2: a messy bun and pull out two little pieces of
Speaker 2: hair at the.
Speaker 1: Front, exactly.
Speaker 2: We're girls. We're gonna ask for a little bite of
Speaker 2: your food. We are, We're girls. We're gonna have a
Speaker 2: nice coffee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean. And it was also the year of Barbie,
Speaker 1: the year of Greta Girwog, Yes, the Year of Margo
Speaker 1: Robbie America Fera. I mean just a ton of women, right,
Speaker 1: but also just women talking about girly things for lack
Speaker 1: of a better word, and just their girlhood in general.
Speaker 1: And so we wanted to talk about why we think
Speaker 1: that's happening and also reference an article that analyzes why
Speaker 1: they think this is happening too.
Speaker 2: I do think that we've done We've done this, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, over the years, as trends come and go,
Speaker 2: as girls blow up online, as conversations about womanhood and
Speaker 2: girlhood happen. I think we've dipped in and out and
Speaker 2: we've sort of tracked this. And I think it's really
Speaker 2: interesting where we're at right now because with TikTok being
Speaker 2: such a visual platform, so much video, I think you
Speaker 2: really have like everyday girlhood like display on display in
Speaker 2: ways that I think are newer for us. You know,
Speaker 2: not just film, not just television, but it's everyday literal girls,
Speaker 2: you know, creating their channels and their personalities and their content,
Speaker 2: and it gives us a lot to analyze and pick
Speaker 2: apart in many ways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think what we've now reached the point
Speaker 1: of our adult life where there are generations that have
Speaker 1: only known the Internet. We were on that cusp of
Speaker 1: like we remember the time before social media, but then
Speaker 1: we were very much quick to learn it and be
Speaker 1: able to use it and then create whole businesses off
Speaker 1: of social media. And so I think that we have
Speaker 1: that kind of limbo in between where we can see both.
Speaker 1: But like, of course, the newer generation just based on
Speaker 1: when they were born and how they've grown up. When
Speaker 1: they've grown up, they've only known the Internet. They've only
Speaker 1: known TikTok, they've only known Instagram, Facebook, and maybe not
Speaker 1: even Facebook, right, Instagram and TikTok probably only.
Speaker 2: Right, I think too for us, because we were hybrid
Speaker 2: online offline, you know irl url, like as kids, I know,
Speaker 2: a significant part of my adapting into womanhood, Like I
Speaker 2: spent my girlhood like analyzing examples of women. You know.
Speaker 2: I remember on Tumblr, I used to follow this account
Speaker 2: curves and color that I loved. Of course, growing up,
Speaker 2: there were a lot of like girl led TV shows
Speaker 2: I think of, like the Amanda Show. I think of
Speaker 2: Amanda buy and I think of Hillary Duff and the
Speaker 2: Lizzie Maguire Show, And I think of raven Cima Moone
Speaker 2: and that's and the list goes on and on and
Speaker 2: being on Mice Mace, you know these places, there were
Speaker 2: these visual cues and lifestyle cues and things of like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: so when I'm a teenager, this is what I do.
Speaker 2: When I'm a woman, this is what I do. And
Speaker 2: so I think it's always been there for us, and
Speaker 2: the question is, now, how has it evolved?
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. And The Cut published an article back in
Speaker 1: December of twenty twenty three titled woman in Retrograde and
Speaker 1: it's written by Isabelle Cristo and we will link it
Speaker 1: in our show notes so that y'all can read it,
Speaker 1: and she does her own analysis of the marketing. Basically,
Speaker 1: she's really looking at the marketing of giralliness, girly things,
Speaker 1: and how women are spending a ton of money to
Speaker 1: kind of reinvest into girlhood and thinking about why is
Speaker 1: womanhood so unappealing? And well, there's a ton of reasons
Speaker 1: actually that womanhood can be unappealing. I mean, it can
Speaker 1: be very scary to be a woman out in the world.
Speaker 1: I really appreciated her analysis, but I think that there
Speaker 1: is some perspective that we can add to it based
Speaker 1: on our positionality as in the women that we are.
Speaker 1: That for me that I think was missing from this
Speaker 1: article that I think was really great, but I think
Speaker 1: there was some stuff missing totally.
Speaker 2: I think. So the article is talking about like a
Speaker 2: what is girlhood? Like what period of time is it?
Speaker 2: There's a girlhood and then there's a time when you're
Speaker 2: no longer in girlhood, you're not a girl anymore. And
Speaker 2: something that the author talks about the thing about girlhood
Speaker 2: is that it's a before time, before puberty, before life,
Speaker 2: and importantly before feminism. Although in reality girlhood can be
Speaker 2: pierced by the politics of the adult world, it's a
Speaker 2: period that precedes those choices that feminism has always concerned
Speaker 2: itself with, like marriage, child rearing, career building, homemaking, sex, sexuality,
Speaker 2: and caretaking. Girlhood is also a time where we're free
Speaker 2: of those constant quen of those choices. So what she's
Speaker 2: basically positing in girlhood, we're not our full selves yet,
Speaker 2: we're not fully realized, we're not fully human, and we're
Speaker 2: not fully sort of obligated to fulfill you know, like
Speaker 2: these staples of womanhood.
Speaker 1: Right, And it makes me think about the episode that
Speaker 1: we did last season where we titled are the Girls Okay?
Speaker 1: And we were talking about the decline of feminism, and
Speaker 1: so I can kind of see this this overlap of
Speaker 1: we don't want to kind of concern not we the
Speaker 1: general we we don't want to concern ourselves with feminism
Speaker 1: because things are intense, like row versus way it was overturned.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's less importance put on feminism as an ideology,
Speaker 1: as a movement because there's no real movement in the
Speaker 1: same way there was before. And so we're gonna actually
Speaker 1: lean into girlhood because it was before this complex time
Speaker 1: where we had to concern ourselves with feminism. I can
Speaker 1: kind of see maybe there's an overlap there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. In the past, we talked about the trad
Speaker 2: wives trend that we've seen on ti and again a
Speaker 2: lot of this is now going back to TikTok. We
Speaker 2: used to say on Twitter we saw this, but now
Speaker 2: we're seeing Twitter is dead, so we see a lot
Speaker 2: of I guess, you know, just viral social moments are
Speaker 2: happening on TikTok, and this sort of sub section of
Speaker 2: TikTok users who like their trad wives and their whole
Speaker 2: thing is like I want to be like little house
Speaker 2: on the prairie in my garden, not caring about the world,
Speaker 2: Like my husband's going to take care of me. I'm
Speaker 2: baking fresh bread for my kids. None of them are vaccinated,
Speaker 2: you know, Like it's they're very like back to the
Speaker 2: earth like and that sort of a thing has its
Speaker 2: like roots and a type of like crysto fascist, just
Speaker 2: like white supremacists like nuclear family. Absolutely, and so we
Speaker 2: talked about how they're on. What we were seeing is
Speaker 2: like content creators really romanticizing this idea of the trad wife.
Speaker 2: And then of course what ends up happening is like
Speaker 2: very young content creators, like young girls in girlhood also
Speaker 2: sort of like romanticizing that idea. Yeah, you know, like
Speaker 2: we're girls. I just want to be taken care of.
Speaker 2: I don't want a job. I just want to frolic
Speaker 2: with my silly little bows and my cottage corehouse and
Speaker 2: thought that, you know, and not to call these girls silly,
Speaker 2: but these are this is the language we use, Yes,
Speaker 2: you know, my silly little iced coffee and my silly
Speaker 2: little this and my silly little walk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like reductive of and I think this
Speaker 1: is also like sorry, it always ties back to capitalism,
Speaker 1: like we're like grasping for some type of like joy
Speaker 1: and some type of escape because capitalism is so awful.
Speaker 1: And so it's like I need a silly little walk
Speaker 1: for my mental health because I'm being worked to the
Speaker 1: grave or whatever that it may be for you, or
Speaker 1: I'm being exploited at work and I can't pay my
Speaker 1: rent and we're in a housing crisis. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: get my silly little iced coffee.
Speaker 2: Totally, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think that we use this language, like this
Speaker 1: diminutive language, because in a way, it makes us again
Speaker 1: the generalists, right when I say us and we, I
Speaker 1: mean like, this is the pop culture. This is what's happening.
Speaker 1: This is the culture right now. It makes us feel
Speaker 1: less alone or less like it's less intense, Like well,
Speaker 1: actually what we're facing is really intense right now. There's
Speaker 1: a genocide happening on the other side of the world,
Speaker 1: and life has continued to go on for people in
Speaker 1: the US, and so we can cling to the ways
Speaker 1: that were like things are are little and cute and girly.
Speaker 2: It also makes me think of like remember a few
Speaker 2: years ago, all the big conversation everybody was having was like,
Speaker 2: women need to stop saying like and don't have an
Speaker 2: upward inflection at the end of your sentence, and don't
Speaker 2: do this, and don't do that, and don't do this,
Speaker 2: And there was some other author I should have pulled
Speaker 2: it up, But there's an article out there where basically
Speaker 2: this writer was like, stop picking at women and the
Speaker 2: way that they talk and everything that we do, like,
Speaker 2: leave us alone. So with the cut article and things
Speaker 2: like this, part of me also has that response me too, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like let us wear our bows, Yeah, let us if
Speaker 2: the girls want to be coquette, like, let them be coquettas,
Speaker 2: like if they want to dress like in like ruffles
Speaker 2: and ballet corps, like who cares? Like, leave the girls alone.
Speaker 1: That's how I felt when I I like, that's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons I said it to you when I
Speaker 1: read it, because I thought like, Okay, yes, I see this,
Speaker 1: and I think we should talk about it. But also
Speaker 1: that's where I feel that that I feel like the
Speaker 1: author and I looked up the author. She looks like
Speaker 1: a white woman, you know, and so I think her
Speaker 1: picture of girlhood that she's describing is white girlhood, right,
Speaker 1: and so there are you know, you girls of color
Speaker 1: that are denied girlhood. There are young girls of color
Speaker 1: that are made to grow up quicker for various reasons.
Speaker 1: And so then that's also another side of why I
Speaker 1: see adult women tapping into like girly things, right. I
Speaker 1: see this like, connect with your younger child, your inner child,
Speaker 1: connect with your younger self and nurture her and take
Speaker 1: care of her because she needs you. And the work
Speaker 1: that you're doing now is to heal that part of
Speaker 1: you that maybe wasn't taken care of. And I think
Speaker 1: that that more holistic approach for me is what's missing
Speaker 1: in that article where it's there's more nuance, I think,
Speaker 1: because I think what we should be asking is like, well,
Speaker 1: why are a grown adult women actually identifying with like
Speaker 1: girlhood and the girly things? You know what? For me,
Speaker 1: that's what's missing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I As I was thinking about this episode on the
Speaker 2: way over here on the topic, my question to myself was,
Speaker 2: how has my womanhood actually how does it actually differ
Speaker 2: from my girlhood? How different is it? And then I
Speaker 2: break it down and I'm like, honestly, it's not that
Speaker 2: different in many ways, Like I still like a lot
Speaker 2: of the same things that I like to do when
Speaker 2: I was a little girl. I still loved doing those
Speaker 2: things with some of my same friends that I experienced
Speaker 2: girlhood with. Like we carried those things that we loved
Speaker 2: and we bring them into our adult womanhood because it's
Speaker 2: femininity in some ways, you know, And we were like
Speaker 2: we experienced femininity as children, but it stayed with us
Speaker 2: and evolved and grew with us, and so we can
Speaker 2: still sort of appreciate the same things. Like I started
Speaker 2: thinking about, like, Okay, what did I like to do
Speaker 2: when I was a kid. We loved to go to
Speaker 2: the mall and shop. We love to go to Clare's
Speaker 2: and get all kinds of costume jewelry and accessories and
Speaker 2: piercings we were not supposed to have. We loved glitter
Speaker 2: and lotions and body spray, sweet pea of course, oh
Speaker 2: iconic cucumber melon, Yes, all that stuff, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Like roll on lip gloss. We loved a
Speaker 2: shiny lip. We love to look like our were covered
Speaker 2: in saliva at all times, and in some ways we
Speaker 2: still love that, you know what I mean. Wanting to
Speaker 2: wear nail polish in school when you're not allowed to,
Speaker 2: you know, as little girls, like we wanted to wear makeup,
Speaker 2: we wanted to do our hair. I was crimping my hair,
Speaker 2: I was straightening my hair because you just want to
Speaker 2: engage in those You see these examples of like rituals
Speaker 2: of femininity, and you incorporate them into your girlhood. You're
Speaker 2: like practicing. So you know, I know there's a lot
Speaker 2: of criticisms of like girls today, Oh my god, they're
Speaker 2: like in Sephora, they're buying skincare or whatever. We had
Speaker 2: the next closest accessible thing to us. We were buying
Speaker 2: those products and putting them on our faces. Like we
Speaker 2: would have sleepovers almost every single weekend, and our favorite
Speaker 2: thing to do was a face mask with the girls.
Speaker 2: You know, we didn't have like Sephor and Alta and
Speaker 2: all that stuff necessarily, and skincare was not what it
Speaker 2: is now, and other kids were not marketing skincare to us.
Speaker 2: But today, like that's what's happening. Yeah, Like the girls
Speaker 2: are responding to what's being marketed to them, and there's
Speaker 2: just more than what we had.
Speaker 1: There's more options, right capitalism, and then there's more visibility
Speaker 1: and access to it, and what I've been thinking about too,
Speaker 1: is like it's very much cyclical, Like I think the
Speaker 1: of any generation, like the adult women are reclaiming girlhood
Speaker 1: or reclaiming parts of themselves, while the young girls are
Speaker 1: like buying the drunk elephant skincare. The young girls are
Speaker 1: trying to be older. And I think that that's not new.
Speaker 1: That's like all of us. When you're a young girl,
Speaker 1: you want to be older. Everything is better when you're older.
Speaker 1: And then you're older and you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is terrible. Get me out of here. Take me back,
Speaker 1: not to middle school, but take me back to a
Speaker 1: time right and have so much responsibility or things just
Speaker 1: felt brighter, newer, shinier, you know, take me back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so fascinating. Yeah, And I don't know, I
Speaker 2: just I also think, like I think about any period
Speaker 2: of my life as a child or as a young person,
Speaker 2: and I actually can't pinpoint a time where I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: definitely take me back there.
Speaker 1: No same here, Definitely don't take me back. But I
Speaker 1: think that's like the beauty of them being an adult, right,
Speaker 1: is that you can pick and choose, like, oh, this
Speaker 1: was really nice. I loved Hello Kitty, I loved having
Speaker 1: sleepovers with my friends. Actually I wasn't allowed to have sleepovers,
Speaker 1: but so I'm going to have sleepovers now, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it's like picking and choosing those
Speaker 1: things that were really nice about being a young girl
Speaker 1: and keeping them and now as an adult and intentionally
Speaker 1: doing them and having these rituals for yourself. And going
Speaker 1: back to what you said about femininity, I also feel
Speaker 1: like there is just a lack of awareness of like
Speaker 1: fem identity, right, and then femininity as praxis as power.
Speaker 1: And so again I think like we're hating on We're
Speaker 1: hating on things to hate on them. This is also
Speaker 1: like a result of a larger like cultural shifts happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I've been thinking too, like as millennial women, right,
Speaker 1: we're no longer the target audience. Gen Z is like
Speaker 1: slowly will not be the target audience. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: like Jen Alfa, yeah eventually, right, And so I think
Speaker 1: like as we get older, there's you know, some of
Speaker 1: us that maybe want to stay on trend, and so
Speaker 1: we're going to like wear the little bows or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I think this is the first time where we,
Speaker 1: as the millennial dead generation, are like, oh, we're not
Speaker 1: the target audience anymore, right, right, And how does that feel?
Speaker 2: I feel relieved, because yeah, stop targeting me. Like it's
Speaker 2: too much attention, it's too much pressure. And it's an
Speaker 2: ever evolving thing. You know. The trends like they're micro trends,
Speaker 2: all of them, and so they're here for like instead
Speaker 2: of being here for a decade, there was you know,
Speaker 2: like you can say, oh, the sixties fashion, right, an
Speaker 2: entire decade of fashion that had a cohesiveness seventies fashion, eighties, nineties,
Speaker 2: even even two thousands at least ten years to solidify
Speaker 2: a trend so that it like stands out in the
Speaker 2: history books. Right now, it's yeah, the trends last like
Speaker 2: six months to a year if that.
Speaker 1: If that, the micro trends are definitely like quicker. Right.
Speaker 1: So again, like this is a product of over consumption
Speaker 1: and capitalism. Yeah, and part of it fueled I think
Speaker 1: by social media and this like wanting to keep up
Speaker 1: with what the influencers have or what my friend has,
Speaker 1: I want. I want that same product so that I
Speaker 1: can also have the gurly thing and the gurly life
Speaker 1: and the romanticized notion of like this is what my
Speaker 1: life should look like.
Speaker 2: It's exhausting, you know. I don't envy that, And that's
Speaker 2: part of the luxury and the joy of like being
Speaker 2: an adult and being in your thirties is I don't
Speaker 2: miss it. It sounds exhausting to me. I don't have
Speaker 2: the strength, I don't have the energy, I don't have
Speaker 2: the time, Like I just don't have it in me,
Speaker 2: you know. And I also just want to say, we're
Speaker 2: always we love to pick on little girls. It's our
Speaker 2: favorite as a society royal we like from Brittany to
Speaker 2: the Olsen Twins to on and on and on and
Speaker 2: on and on Amanda Bynds. Like I mentioned earlier, like
Speaker 2: people are always picking on little girls and like little
Speaker 2: girls also just as a group. Oh yeah, even thinking
Speaker 2: about like okay, like some of our favorite boy bands,
Speaker 2: or like even like a comedian like Matt Rife, right
Speaker 2: where everyone like, oh, will you make music or you
Speaker 2: tell jokes for girls? So it's trash. Oh well your
Speaker 2: audience is just teenage girls. Well, the only person who
Speaker 2: likes what you make her teen girls Like they're an
Speaker 2: unworthy trash demographic, right, who don't count?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the misogyny, Like I see that with Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift and like, I'm not a Swiftie, but I respect
Speaker 1: what she's done and how like her fans are global
Speaker 1: like the Swifties. I think I respect that as an artist.
Speaker 1: And I see it and I'm like, okay, there's a
Speaker 1: nod there, right, I see it. I respect it. But
Speaker 1: there's like this deep misogyny of wanting to downplay like
Speaker 1: her as an artist because her demographic are teen girls
Speaker 1: or young women. And so I definitely I agree with
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Anything that the girls like is like frivolous.
Speaker 1: It's like annoying. Yes, it's like what It's not important.
Speaker 1: It's not as like respectable.
Speaker 2: It's not it's like not true art, and which is
Speaker 2: interesting because I think you're after your thing after thing,
Speaker 2: time after time. Like girls, teen girls push products, yep,
Speaker 2: they push movements, they push trends.
Speaker 1: Yes they do.
Speaker 2: They make things financially successful and like box office hits.
Speaker 2: If the teen girls are behind you, Like, if the
Speaker 2: tween girls are behind you, you're gonna your product is
Speaker 2: gonna do well. You're gonna have a long, illustrious career.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And I would also like to say, why are we
Speaker 2: picking on the boys. Let's pick on the boys. Yes,
Speaker 2: what are the boys doing that where we need to
Speaker 2: write think pieces about that we need to be concerned about.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're being indoctrinated into alpha males, Like those are
Speaker 1: the things we need to be actually talking about and
Speaker 1: paying attention to.
Speaker 2: Like violently red pilled and shooting up schools. I started
Speaker 2: following this mom, and it brought me down, this ret girl,
Speaker 2: I've been on this rabbit hole of mothers who are
Speaker 2: like very vocal and outspoken and just very plain and
Speaker 2: straightforward on TikTok that they have sons who are minor
Speaker 2: children who are violent, you know, Like I follow this
Speaker 2: one mother who talks about like her one son. I
Speaker 2: think her handle is general education. When her son was
Speaker 2: nine years old, he got his first like run in
Speaker 2: with law enforcement and got like an arson charge because
Speaker 2: he set something on fire at his school. And then
Speaker 2: she and she's like talking about this in great detail
Speaker 2: because she's been dealing with this for years now with
Speaker 2: her son. Then her son gets a charge for assault
Speaker 2: for trying to attack a teacher. Then he gets another
Speaker 2: ars in charge, and then she's going down the list
Speaker 2: of his charges through the juvenile justice system. From the
Speaker 2: time that he from twelve to fifteen years old, he's
Speaker 2: been in juvenile detention or placements, and like the hospitals
Speaker 2: can't keep him because he's too violent for the hospitals,
Speaker 2: and they try to send him home, but he attacks
Speaker 2: the mom and the sister, so they send him to
Speaker 2: juvenile detention and they can't, you know, like there's nowhere
Speaker 2: for young men like that to go when they're exhibiting
Speaker 2: those types of behaviors. And I bring this up because
Speaker 2: then I start to notice that this mom is actually
Speaker 2: part of this kind of community of mostly women, who
Speaker 2: are saying, I have a son who has been diagnosed
Speaker 2: with whatever. He's been diagnosed with different types of mental illnesses,
Speaker 2: childhood mental illnesses. My son is a sociopath. My son
Speaker 2: is a psychopath. Like clinically, he can't be in the house.
Speaker 2: He's too dangerous. He's going to be in prison for
Speaker 2: the rest of his life. There's nowhere else for him
Speaker 2: to go. We can't control him. We've tried everything. He's
Speaker 2: on lithium, he's been in therapy since he was six,
Speaker 2: you know, he's in placement. And I see things like that,
Speaker 2: and I and what those moms have taught me, because
Speaker 2: what they're talking about on their channels is that they're
Speaker 2: keeping these Most families who deal with something like that,
Speaker 2: they keep it very quiet, They keep it very hush hush.
Speaker 2: We talk about it because it's scary and it's sad
Speaker 2: and it's shameful. Right, But when we talk about things
Speaker 2: like toxic masculinity and how it starts like at a
Speaker 2: young age, where it starts at home, I'm like I
Speaker 2: see content like that, and then I see the girls
Speaker 2: just like like, oh, here's my ballet core, get ready
Speaker 2: with me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm just like.
Speaker 2: Bro, can we shift our focus? The girls and their.
Speaker 1: Bows are fine, They're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: Let them frolic, let them be coquette, let them be toombet,
Speaker 2: whatever it is they're calling themselves, you know. But like
Speaker 2: clearly there's like people over here like crying for help
Speaker 2: because the boys, the counterparts are like not doing okay,
Speaker 2: like in the grand scheme, girls are kind of doing fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know right. Yeah. I also wonder me personally
Speaker 1: as a petite woman, I'm very terrified of the like coquette,
Speaker 1: Like that is not my aesthetic and that is not
Speaker 1: my thing because it's very it can be depending on
Speaker 1: who you are, it can be like very infantalizing, and
Speaker 1: then that invites a different type of audience to get me.
Speaker 2: I mean it has like it's very Lolita core, yeah,
Speaker 2: which you know Lolita you know why that's problematic exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So there's also like I think, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: it's so layered and it's so nuanced, and I don't
Speaker 1: think it's enough to just be like the girls are
Speaker 1: in trouble. It's like, well, I think we need to
Speaker 1: ask ourselves why the girls are not okay, and also
Speaker 1: like maybe why the girls are maybe afraid of being
Speaker 1: adult women, or why the adult women are trying to
Speaker 1: like reclaim parts of their girlhood what was missing for them.
Speaker 1: I think there's just more nuanced to it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. I mean it's one of those
Speaker 2: things where it's like for every human being, there's a nuance. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, so like for every girl there is a
Speaker 2: caveat or a different layer or a different level as
Speaker 2: to why they put bows in their hair. It's different
Speaker 2: for everybody. And then you know, I see people talking
Speaker 2: about like on TikTok, Well, if you're braiding ribbons into
Speaker 2: your hair, like that's a very indigenous it is like
Speaker 2: indigenous women practice braiding ribbons into their hair. I've seen folks,
Speaker 2: you know, post videos and shouting out like indigenous women
Speaker 2: from Ohaka, and so I think within like the Lattinang
Speaker 2: corner of this conversation, a lot of the Latina fashion
Speaker 2: girlies have been incorporating like ribbons braided into their hair,
Speaker 2: which is very beautiful and looks very beautiful. But then
Speaker 2: I've also seen in the comments like this isn't coquette,
Speaker 2: this is indigenous. Yes. Yes, so layer upon layer upon
Speaker 2: layer upon layer.
Speaker 1: Where there is internet, there will be discourse. Yes, is
Speaker 1: basically what it means. Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think this to bet subsect is really interesting.
Speaker 2: Jen from the block Yes has been doing her tumbette
Speaker 2: like core.
Speaker 1: I love to see it.
Speaker 2: It's very interesting. It's very cute because like coquettes seems
Speaker 2: to be like, Okay, this is storybook, it's Lolita, it's
Speaker 2: cottage core, it's like super it's ballet core undertones, and
Speaker 2: then tumbete seems to be all of that but meets
Speaker 2: like Butchona rancho Paisa. Yes, if you can imagine those
Speaker 2: things coming together.
Speaker 1: Just look at Gen from the block.
Speaker 2: She does beautifully.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when she does it, I'm like, what, it looks
Speaker 1: amazing on her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she puts it all together.
Speaker 1: She styles it on herself. It looks fabulous. I could
Speaker 1: not see myself wearing that, but it looks amazing on her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know I could never. But Jen looks great.
Speaker 1: Jen looks great. She can do it.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: I think that that also speaks to like, you know,
Speaker 1: of course style and how you style yourself, and then
Speaker 1: also like not keeping up with the trends, but creating
Speaker 1: your own style outside of the trends, because the trends
Speaker 1: come and go as we know.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, I don't know. Girl, there's so much.
Speaker 2: I've also been seeing so much Like there's like a
Speaker 2: ballet talk, you know, and on Ballet Talk they've been
Speaker 2: talking about how ballerina's back in the day, like especially
Speaker 2: in the opera houses and such, most of them, right,
Speaker 2: were like underage girls, and a lot of them were
Speaker 2: sort of being sort of forced into sex work, yes,
Speaker 2: you know, and that ballerinas sort of had that place
Speaker 2: in society. We don't necessarily think of ballerin as the
Speaker 2: same today as they were thought of and treated back then.
Speaker 2: But talking about the lolita and the infantilization and the
Speaker 2: ballet like it all sort of has kind of like murky,
Speaker 2: upsetting undertones and histories if you look far enough.
Speaker 1: Agreed, And I think that's why we have to talk
Speaker 1: about it. It's like, yes, the girls, let everyone do
Speaker 1: whatever they want, but then there's also like the cultural
Speaker 1: nuance behind it, just exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, I think, as with all things girly
Speaker 2: in girlhood, there's no i'd answer, and there's no right
Speaker 2: way to do it, and no matter what you do,
Speaker 2: there's gonna be commentary. Oh yeah, and probably criticism.
Speaker 1: And that's part of being a woman.
Speaker 2: Actually, yes, it is. It's like you're always being perceived,
Speaker 2: you're always performing. Yes, if femininity is performance, then one
Speaker 2: is always performing.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's exhausting, it is.
Speaker 2: I am so tired. It's tiring.
Speaker 1: It's tiring. Here we are.
Speaker 2: Take your omega threes to get your calcium, take your
Speaker 2: magnesium because you're gonna need it. Honey.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's true, it's true. Well some food for thought
Speaker 1: today on look at our radio as always, you know,
Speaker 1: our advice is like, think about it, interpret it, analyze it,
Speaker 1: and then do what you will with it.
Speaker 2: Yes, do what's best for you. Yes, do it's best
Speaker 2: for you. And that's all. Do you boo boo? That's
Speaker 2: a throwback were we say that you boo boo? Do
Speaker 2: you boo?
Speaker 1: Not me? But that was definitely a thing I remember,
Speaker 1: not me.
Speaker 2: She's like, I have never said boo boo in my life.
Speaker 1: No, I have not. All right, y'all, thank you for
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