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Speaker 1: talk about so today, what are we talking about, Mala.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about girly things, just girly stuff, all things girl, girlhood.

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Speaker 1: Girls.

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Speaker 2: I think we're just like the it people last year,

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Speaker 1: Girl math, girl dinner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're girls. We're gonna put our hair up in

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Speaker 1: Front, exactly.

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Speaker 2: We're girls. We're gonna ask for a little bite of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean. And it was also the year of Barbie,

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Speaker 1: the year of Greta Girwog, Yes, the Year of Margo

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Speaker 1: Robbie America Fera. I mean just a ton of women, right,

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Speaker 1: And so we wanted to talk about why we think

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Speaker 2: I do think that we've done We've done this, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, over the years, as trends come and go,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. And The Cut published an article back in

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Speaker 2: like white supremacists like nuclear family. Absolutely, and so we

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Speaker 2: Totally, you know.

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Speaker 2: It also makes me think of like remember a few

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Speaker 1: Yes, they're being indoctrinated into alpha males, Like those are

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Speaker 2: they keep it very quiet, They keep it very hush hush.

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Speaker 2: We talk about it because it's scary and it's sad

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Speaker 2: and it's shameful. Right, But when we talk about things

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Speaker 2: like toxic masculinity and how it starts like at a

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Speaker 2: young age, where it starts at home, I'm like I

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Speaker 2: see content like that, and then I see the girls

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Speaker 2: just like like, oh, here's my ballet core, get ready

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Speaker 2: with me, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm just like.

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Speaker 2: Bro, can we shift our focus? The girls and their.

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Speaker 1: Bows are fine, They're gonna be fine.

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Speaker 2: Let them frolic, let them be coquette, let them be toombet,

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Speaker 2: whatever it is they're calling themselves, you know. But like

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Speaker 2: clearly there's like people over here like crying for help

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Speaker 2: because the boys, the counterparts are like not doing okay,

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Speaker 2: like in the grand scheme, girls are kind of doing fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you know right. Yeah. I also wonder me personally

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Speaker 1: as a petite woman, I'm very terrified of the like coquette,

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Speaker 1: Like that is not my aesthetic and that is not

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Speaker 1: my thing because it's very it can be depending on

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Speaker 1: who you are, it can be like very infantalizing, and

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Speaker 1: then that invites a different type of audience to get me.

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Speaker 2: I mean it has like it's very Lolita core, yeah,

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Speaker 2: which you know Lolita you know why that's problematic exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So there's also like I think, I don't know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's so layered and it's so nuanced, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's enough to just be like the girls are

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Speaker 1: in trouble. It's like, well, I think we need to

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Speaker 1: ask ourselves why the girls are not okay, and also

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Speaker 1: like maybe why the girls are maybe afraid of being

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Speaker 1: adult women, or why the adult women are trying to

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Speaker 1: like reclaim parts of their girlhood what was missing for them.

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Speaker 1: I think there's just more nuanced to it.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. I mean it's one of those

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Speaker 2: things where it's like for every human being, there's a nuance. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, so like for every girl there is a

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Speaker 2: caveat or a different layer or a different level as

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Speaker 2: to why they put bows in their hair. It's different

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Speaker 2: for everybody. And then you know, I see people talking

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Speaker 2: about like on TikTok, Well, if you're braiding ribbons into

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Speaker 2: your hair, like that's a very indigenous it is like

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Speaker 2: indigenous women practice braiding ribbons into their hair. I've seen folks,

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Speaker 2: you know, post videos and shouting out like indigenous women

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Speaker 2: from Ohaka, and so I think within like the Lattinang

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Speaker 2: corner of this conversation, a lot of the Latina fashion

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Speaker 2: girlies have been incorporating like ribbons braided into their hair,

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Speaker 2: which is very beautiful and looks very beautiful. But then

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Speaker 2: I've also seen in the comments like this isn't coquette,

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Speaker 2: this is indigenous. Yes. Yes, so layer upon layer upon

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Speaker 2: layer upon layer.

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Speaker 1: Where there is internet, there will be discourse. Yes, is

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Speaker 1: basically what it means. Mm hmm. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I think this to bet subsect is really interesting.

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Speaker 2: Jen from the block Yes has been doing her tumbette

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Speaker 2: like core.

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Speaker 1: I love to see it.

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Speaker 2: It's very interesting. It's very cute because like coquettes seems

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Speaker 2: to be like, Okay, this is storybook, it's Lolita, it's

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Speaker 2: cottage core, it's like super it's ballet core undertones, and

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Speaker 2: then tumbete seems to be all of that but meets

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Speaker 2: like Butchona rancho Paisa. Yes, if you can imagine those

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Speaker 2: things coming together.

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Speaker 1: Just look at Gen from the block.

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Speaker 2: She does beautifully.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when she does it, I'm like, what, it looks

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Speaker 1: amazing on her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she puts it all together.

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Speaker 1: She styles it on herself. It looks fabulous. I could

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Speaker 1: not see myself wearing that, but it looks amazing on her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know I could never. But Jen looks great.

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Speaker 1: Jen looks great. She can do it.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 1: I think that that also speaks to like, you know,

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Speaker 1: of course style and how you style yourself, and then

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Speaker 1: also like not keeping up with the trends, but creating

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Speaker 1: your own style outside of the trends, because the trends

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Speaker 1: come and go as we know.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, I don't know. Girl, there's so much.

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Speaker 2: I've also been seeing so much Like there's like a

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Speaker 2: ballet talk, you know, and on Ballet Talk they've been

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Speaker 2: talking about how ballerina's back in the day, like especially

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Speaker 2: in the opera houses and such, most of them, right,

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Speaker 2: were like underage girls, and a lot of them were

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Speaker 2: sort of being sort of forced into sex work, yes,

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Speaker 2: you know, and that ballerinas sort of had that place

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Speaker 2: in society. We don't necessarily think of ballerin as the

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Speaker 2: same today as they were thought of and treated back then.

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Speaker 2: But talking about the lolita and the infantilization and the

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Speaker 2: ballet like it all sort of has kind of like murky,

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Speaker 2: upsetting undertones and histories if you look far enough.

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Speaker 1: Agreed, And I think that's why we have to talk

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Speaker 1: about it. It's like, yes, the girls, let everyone do

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Speaker 1: whatever they want, but then there's also like the cultural

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Speaker 1: nuance behind it, just exactly what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, I think, as with all things girly

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Speaker 2: in girlhood, there's no i'd answer, and there's no right

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Speaker 2: way to do it, and no matter what you do,

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Speaker 2: there's gonna be commentary. Oh yeah, and probably criticism.

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Speaker 1: And that's part of being a woman.

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Speaker 2: Actually, yes, it is. It's like you're always being perceived,

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Speaker 2: you're always performing. Yes, if femininity is performance, then one

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Speaker 2: is always performing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's exhausting, it is.

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Speaker 2: I am so tired. It's tiring.

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Speaker 1: It's tiring. Here we are.

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Speaker 2: Take your omega threes to get your calcium, take your

534
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Speaker 2: magnesium because you're gonna need it. Honey.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's true, it's true. Well some food for thought

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Speaker 1: today on look at our radio as always, you know,

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Speaker 1: our advice is like, think about it, interpret it, analyze it,

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Speaker 1: and then do what you will with it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, do what's best for you. Yes, do it's best

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Speaker 2: for you. And that's all. Do you boo boo? That's

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Speaker 2: a throwback were we say that you boo boo? Do

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Speaker 2: you boo?

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Speaker 1: Not me? But that was definitely a thing I remember,

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Speaker 1: not me.

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Speaker 2: She's like, I have never said boo boo in my life.

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Speaker 1: No, I have not. All right, y'all, thank you for

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Speaker 1: listening to another episode of Loka to a Radio. We

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Speaker 1: will catch you next time.

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