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Speaker 2: because we're really focusing on those two games from Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: and we'll start in the Western Conference Game seven, Baby ooh.

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Speaker 2: Interesting Game seven, the Nugget edge the Jazz eighty to

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Speaker 2: seventy eight to complete the comeback from three to one down. Tass. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Nonetheless, yeah, a lot of chucks, a lot of clanks,

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Speaker 4: what a terrible game. My goodness, you can't remember two

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was. I saw people tweeting about this. It

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Speaker 3: Yeah, specifically reminiscent of Gordon Hayward missing a half quarter

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Speaker 2: That was wild. What did you think, Lee, did you

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Speaker 1: Well there's that photo going around with a bull is

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Speaker 1: But instead, then all of a sudden, Denver just forgot

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Speaker 1: for the I think it was Kirk Goldsbury tweeted this out.

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Speaker 1: It was a seven to twenty from Nikolie Yoki, just

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Speaker 1: But I mean, Jokich had thirty points in the end,

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Speaker 2: But it just.

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Speaker 1: Felt like that the Nuggets were on the brink of

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, Game seven's almost always suck in the best

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Speaker 2: And the other thing is the joker. I'm glad you

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Speaker 2: go through sort of the play by play, Nuggets were

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Speaker 2: pump fake pump, fake pump, fake scores Thy game four

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Speaker 2: He sort of bobbled it, but then scored Thy game

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Speaker 2: Nice pass from Murray. Jokic hits that tough little floater

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Speaker 2: said it. He backs down, go Bear, spins, spins some

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Speaker 4: He was phenomenal. I think we couldn't expect Jamal Murray

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Speaker 2: That was a Game seven test could have flourished. It No,

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Speaker 1: You know he hits that big game winning shot there,

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Speaker 2: There's never real election from that guy. I mean, just

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Speaker 1: But you saw there was one play there where I

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Speaker 1: There's just nothing ever from anything like that from him,

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Speaker 1: It must be so tense and so emotional, like everyone

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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like that's what Brian Colangelo used to think

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah cool. And the opposite side is Donovan Mitchell

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Speaker 2: I got a question for you, Trey, because I saw

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Speaker 3: Quinn spin and I don't think this is a successful

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Speaker 3: I don't know. The Jazz lost in the first round.

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Speaker 3: You can't be happy with that season. I know it

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Speaker 3: I think the thing you have to be most encouraged

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they also sort of called their shot here with

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Speaker 2: I don't think that was a secret to you. They

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Speaker 2: But Jamal Murray is sort of like single handaly save

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Speaker 1: Defensive end, they were good enough apart from Jamal Murray,

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Speaker 2: You have to have hold on, hold on. That was

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Speaker 1: I think for next season, so he's likely coming back.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Royce O'Neil, I think is a good role player in

436
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Speaker 1: that team. Jordan Clarkson showed that he can be there

437
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Speaker 1: spark off the bench. So you know, you sort of

438
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Speaker 1: you look at a team, you think, we've got depth,

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Speaker 1: we've got defense, we've got offense, we've got balance, we've

440
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Speaker 1: got good coaching.

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Speaker 2: So what's missing.

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Speaker 1: That's the key there for the front office to find

443
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Speaker 1: what's missing or to just get this team to perform.

444
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Speaker 1: And it's higher at a higher level.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the ultimate question with them, if you're

446
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Speaker 2: their organization, is the Golbert question mark. It's the Golberart Mitchell,

447
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Speaker 2: like Mitchell not going anywhere. You're right, and I'm with you.

448
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Speaker 2: He's on He's twenty three years old. I think he's

449
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Speaker 2: turning twenty four, like tomorrow or something in a few days.

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Speaker 2: But it's like, can we pay that amount of money too?

451
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Speaker 2: Obviously an incredibly talented defensive player in Gobert, but maybe

452
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Speaker 2: a regular season guy where it's like that works a

453
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Speaker 2: little bit in the regular season, you can rack up

454
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Speaker 2: a lot of wins, but we can't go to you

455
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Speaker 2: can't we can't go to him in a tight game.

456
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Speaker 2: He's not gonna really help that way. He needs other guys.

457
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Speaker 2: I mean, he can do the dirty work and get

458
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Speaker 2: rebound and stuff like that and brings it on one end,

459
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Speaker 2: but he's a liability. Just can't say the way this

460
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Speaker 2: game has changed that I don't know if you can

461
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Speaker 2: put that amount of money into your center like a Gobert.

462
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Speaker 2: But maybe I'm wrong because they are still good and

463
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Speaker 2: they've lost. The worry part is you said those teams

464
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Speaker 2: they've lost to, those are not title contending teams either. Right,

465
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Speaker 2: It's not like, well, okay, they lost to the Warriors.

466
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Speaker 2: You know they went on to win or whatever. They

467
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Speaker 2: lost the teams that they should sort of beat or

468
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Speaker 2: should at least be on their level or could have beaten.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so I've tasked anything to add with the Jazz.

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Speaker 4: Well as far as not being an elite team, this

471
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Speaker 4: is gonna go down like the two thousand and nine

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Speaker 4: Bowl Celtics series. I'm sorry, Yeah, both Celtics. That's right,

473
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Speaker 4: where neither team really goes all that far and really

474
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Speaker 4: wins any think significant. The Nuggets do not have a

475
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Speaker 4: good matchup against the Clippers next round. This is going

476
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Speaker 4: to be one of those series you look at and say, wow,

477
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Speaker 4: those are two incredible teams. They were just evenly matched,

478
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Speaker 4: and they're evenly matched because the Jazz just don't have

479
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Speaker 4: enough wing power. Boy and mcgdamach would help, but Mike

480
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Speaker 4: Conley and Joe Engles are they're long on the tooth

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Speaker 4: and it looks it and they gave up a lot

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Speaker 4: for Mike Conley. But regardless, they're going to be thirty

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Speaker 4: three next year. And I think Rudy Gobert, you know,

484
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Speaker 4: I always sort of go back and forth. Can he

485
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Speaker 4: work with Donovan Mitchell? He can work if you have

486
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Speaker 4: incredible wings beside him that can score. I mean, you

487
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488
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490
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491
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Speaker 4: got to get better on the perimeter. So they got

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Speaker 4: to hope that they can find someone because I don't

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Speaker 2: I'd watched seven games of that. Okay, let's get to

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556
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Speaker 2: Marcus Smart, Marcus Smart, wicked Smart left Boston past Toronto

557
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Speaker 2: Celtics take the two to zero lead. It was a close,

558
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Speaker 2: one bit of a heartbreaker, obviously for Raptors fans. Lee,

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Speaker 2: what's the big takeaway is it? Marcus Smart? I mean

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Speaker 2: this guy suddenly re Allen?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, he became re Allen in that fourth quarter

562
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Speaker 1: there and just caught fire hit those five threes, including

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Speaker 1: a four point play, which was incredible. But what the

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565
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Speaker 1: it looked like finally the Raptors had started getting a

566
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Speaker 1: little bit of their offense moving in transition and they'd

567
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Speaker 1: started to be like, Okay, this is the team that

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Speaker 1: we you know, that maybe the Raptors really can challenge

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Speaker 1: and they look comfortable, But honestly, that Celtics, like Mark

570
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Speaker 1: Smart's great, but that Celtic's defense is so good that

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Speaker 1: the Raptors it felt to me like they have to

572
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Speaker 1: battle so hard to get a basket. Now, in game

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Speaker 1: one they shot ten for forty from downtown. In game

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Speaker 1: two you think, oh maybe they it felt like they

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Speaker 1: shot better where they went eleven for forty. And I've

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Speaker 1: got their shot chart here as well, if JD can

577
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Speaker 1: bring it up. Now, look at how far back some

578
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Speaker 1: of these three point attempts are here.

579
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Speaker 2: This just the misses right exactly.

580
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Speaker 1: That just did hit a shot in this kid that

581
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Speaker 1: is and that to me is the key here that

582
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Speaker 1: this is Fred van Vliet went three for twelve, Kyle

583
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Speaker 1: Larry went oh for seven, and the reason is because

584
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Speaker 1: so many of these three pointers they're taking are just

585
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Speaker 1: from a mile back. Now, they can hit them sometimes,

586
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Speaker 1: but the Celtics are basically pushing them back further and further,

587
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Speaker 1: and that's the only sort of clean look the Raptors

588
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Speaker 1: are getting. And when you're you know, so when you're shooting,

589
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Speaker 1: you know, so many shots from that far back, and

590
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Speaker 1: your team's offense is sort of in the mud anyway,

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Speaker 1: it's very very hard to sort of keep the scoreboard

592
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Speaker 1: ticking over. So full credit here, I think really goes

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Speaker 1: to the Celtics defense are I tweeted yesterday it felt

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Speaker 1: like the Celtics had six or seven players on the

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Speaker 1: floor defensively, because they rotate, they close out. There's never

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Speaker 1: ever seemingly more than one or two uncontested shots from

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Speaker 1: the Raptors, like that ball moves around, because that's the

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Speaker 1: Raptor's offense looks good. But the Celtics are ready and

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Speaker 1: everyone seems to know like, Okay, someone just got to

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Speaker 1: get a hand up to this guy close out on

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Speaker 1: this shooter and get there, and they just made that

602
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Speaker 1: offense so hard for the Raptors. And then of course,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Raptors put themselves in a position, but

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Speaker 1: Marcus Smart goes crazy and then the Celtics close it out.

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Speaker 1: And the Raptors' offense when when they really needed baskets,

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Speaker 1: I thought was was pretty ordinary. But again, so much

607
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Speaker 1: of that credit goes to the Celtics defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Raptors I think build them out a little bit.

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Speaker 2: They stopped attacking when they built their lead, like going

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Speaker 2: to the paint that was working. I think when they

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Speaker 2: were up twelve. From there on out, the Raptors shot

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Speaker 2: one of thirteen from three to close this game, they

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Speaker 2: had a stretch their tat I don't know, it was

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Speaker 2: like a ten minute stretched task where they scored I

615
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Speaker 2: think it was eight or nine points. You know, they

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Speaker 2: missed twenty three of their final twenty eight shots. You're right, Lee,

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Speaker 2: I mean the Celtics defense awesome. The Raptors must feel

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Speaker 2: like they're playing in themselves. I think, you know if

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Speaker 2: like I don't know what the scrimmagers are like with

620
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Speaker 2: the Raptors, like how how high the intensity is defensively,

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Speaker 2: But the Celtics are like the Raptors defensively, bodies everywhere,

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Speaker 2: arms everywhere, smart, talking, moving, But the difference to me

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Speaker 2: is the Celtics have guys unfortunately right now, that can

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Speaker 2: hit shots and can create their own shots, and either

625
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Speaker 2: Tatum obviously get into the line of Ton and Kemba,

626
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Speaker 2: who was garbage for most of the game, getting any

627
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Speaker 2: shot he wants because it's got the handle to do it.

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Speaker 2: I mean a Lowry and van Fleet just don't score

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Speaker 2: like that, and then we can get to Siakam as well.

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Speaker 2: It's like that to me right now is the difference.

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Speaker 2: Raptors put up a fight in this task. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this was the Raptors we know, we've seen there's a

633
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Speaker 2: little pride there. I mean Game one they sort of

634
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Speaker 2: got embarrassed, but still it's just offensively is no one

635
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Speaker 2: can hit a shot because they move the ball around.

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Speaker 2: There are looks, can't knock them down. And then you

637
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Speaker 2: don't have a guy. You don't have Kauhi of course

638
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Speaker 2: to say, man, we need something get here, and the

639
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Speaker 2: Celtics have a couple of those guys. That's the truth

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Speaker 2: right now, and that's why I feel like they're up

641
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Speaker 2: to Ozho and then the Marcus smart threes as well helps.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this, but the Raptors had this game. They really didn't.

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Speaker 4: And that's it was one of those games coaches say

644
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Speaker 4: after a loss, they say, we've got to do things

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Speaker 4: with more force. We got to pass with more force,

646
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 4: we got to cut with more force, the screw with

647
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 4: more force. And the Raptors did that for a long

648
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 4: time in this game. And then yeah, they played that

649
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 4: prevent offense. I think in late in the third quarter

650
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 4: and early in the fourth eir Korean put that way,

651
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 4: and that's exactly what it was. They were just playing

652
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 4: not to lose, and they were playing their top guys

653
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 4: more minutes than the Celtics were. I think they weren't

654
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: as fresh. They had four of their their their dudes

655
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 4: play a ton in the third quarter and the and

656
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. You know, Marcus Sole the only guy

657
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 4: who sat a big chunk of that third quarter. They

658
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 4: went heavy on those dudes, and late in the third

659
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 4: and early in the fourth they got a little tired.

660
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 4: And it's unfortunate, you know, I mentioned Marcus Sol on

661
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 4: purpose there, because the only weakness the Celtics have really

662
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 4: is inside. There. They're longer than the Raptors on the outside,

663
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 4: they can make as many shots on the outside, and

664
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 4: they have more of a you know, off the dribble

665
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 4: guy and Jason Tatum that's in superstar mode that the

666
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 4: Raptors don't have. And Marcus Sol can't do what he

667
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 4: used to do. He's a little like Mike Conlewy. Just

668
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 4: we just talked, he's long in the tooth. No one

669
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 4: is going to beat these Celtics on the inside on

670
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 4: this team. That being said, they almost did beat them

671
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 4: on the inside. This was their down three forty seconds

672
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,239
Speaker 4: left after Kemba Walker and we talked about guys who

673
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 4: can get their own shot. Kemba Walker just he spent

674
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 4: like twenty four seconds getting his own shot. The Raptors

675
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 4: played really great defense up one. Kemba Walker just took

676
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 4: every single second of the shot clock for himself. It

677
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 4: was a nice move by Nick Nurse. He put og

678
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 4: An Andobi as the guy who's going to come guard

679
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 4: the screener so he could double and get the ball

680
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 4: out of campus hands. They doubled, but Kenback kept dribbling.

681
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 4: Oj and Andobi went away. Then Sergeabaka came and then

682
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 4: he said, all right, now this is my move, and

683
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 4: that's when he looked like yukon Kemba Walker and MSG

684
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 4: step back. Boom. So now they're down three and on

685
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 4: the other side. Yeah, the Raptors didn't have that. And

686
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 4: the mistake I think was Pascal Siakam. He had Jalen

687
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 4: Brown on him. That's when you go into the post.

688
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 4: That's when you're the slow guy at the run and

689
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 4: you just turned butt around and you back them all

690
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 4: the way down into the post from the three point

691
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 4: line because you can, because they have to stay with

692
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 4: the shooters, and because Sakam is really good at that,

693
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 4: and he had done that, but they called for a switch,

694
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 4: and I think that was a mistake and Jalen and

695
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 4: Marcus Smart went on him and then it just that's

696
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: not Smart.

697
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: It ain't gonna work.

698
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, he tried to drop. Yeah, it's Marcus Smart. You

699
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 4: just don't pick that matchup. So I think I think

700
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 4: Nick Nurse went from uh, you know, he they they

701
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 4: did all they could, and he went to Pascal Siakam

702
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: at the end, at the very end. He wasn't trying

703
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 4: to force feed him like he did in Game Oneakam

704
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 4: I think was was better because of it. Everybody was

705
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 4: sort of working. But then he went to Seakam at

706
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 4: the end, Smart stripped them and then they got the ball.

707
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 4: Back and Seacam ended up stepping out of bounds there

708
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 4: at the end. So I don't I don't really fault

709
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 4: Nick Nurse for that. I think that the pick was

710
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 4: the mistake, though not going to Seakam wasn't the mistake.

711
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 4: Going to Seacond wasn't mistake. I think that pick was

712
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 4: a bit of a move there that that didn't work out.

713
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 4: But I think we say you might see the rap

714
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 4: go small. I think just because they have the length

715
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 4: that the Celtics do, they have the shot making ability

716
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 4: and the defense, yeah is really like Spider Man meme.

717
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 4: I mean, they're both so good against each other. I

718
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 4: think the only advantage is to maybe get another ball

719
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 4: handler guard out there, because they do have the depth

720
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 4: at that position, Like they do have more guards, whether

721
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 4: it's Norman Powell or somebody coming off the bench, especially

722
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 4: without Gordon Hayward out. But yeah, it's it's tough because

723
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 4: they don't have a Tatum who was a superstar. Yeah

724
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 4: he was.

725
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: I mean, look, Nick Nurse is going to be fine today,

726
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: I think too. Oh yeah, he's going to be a

727
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: little lighter in the wallet because he was questioning some

728
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: of the no calls on you know his guys them

729
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: not getting a whistle, and then like just blatantly was like,

730
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 2: what got fourteen free throw attempts? You know he's got

731
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: had more than our entire team. Not technically true, I

732
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: think the reps at nineteen. But you know, his point

733
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: is like he's getting all the superstar calls and we

734
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: can't get a call. He's going to be fined, and

735
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: he's trying anything you can to like game the refs

736
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: for Game three maybe, but Trey, what were your takeaways

737
00:32:59,160 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: from this one?

738
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: Well, the Raptors aren't gonna beat the Celtics if their

739
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: leading scorer is Ogiananoby, and that's what it basically comes

740
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: bounded to me. He can't.

741
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: I mean, twenty's nice for Moji, that's great.

742
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: It's gonna hurt his most improved player case for next year.

743
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: But you like to see him scoring. But if he's

744
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: your leading scorer, your offense is looking bad. And Siakam

745
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: has looked brutal in the half court. He can't score

746
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 3: on Marcus Smart. I don't think if if it's the perimeter,

747
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 3: if it's a post up, I don't think he can

748
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: score against Marcus Smart.

749
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: Maybe a bucket here and there, but not reliable. Fred

750
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: van Vliet hasn't caught fire yet. That's been a problem.

751
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: The Celtics seem to have both those guys scouted pretty well,

752
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 3: and Lowry is doing what Lowry does. You know, He's

753
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: getting his seventeen points a game or something like that,

754
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: but it's not enough so far in the playoffs. I

755
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: think Lowry has to be a little bit better. I

756
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: don't think that you can go to Siakam late in

757
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 3: the game. I think it's a little bit like, you know,

758
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: Westbrook made all those turnovers for the Rockets, but somehow

759
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: James Harden gets the blame for it. Maybe Lowery needs

760
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: to come and demand the ball and do something to

761
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: get a shot, you know, because he's gonna he has

762
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: maybe the third best piminter defender from the Celtics guarding

763
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: him right now, because Jalen Brown and Marcus Smarter kind

764
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: of taking turns on Fred and Siakam. So maybe Lowry's

765
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 3: got to do a little bit more. But Gasol's getting

766
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: outplayed by most of the centers on the Celtics. We

767
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: don't think the Celtics have a great big man rotation,

768
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: but Daniel Tice outplayed Gasol in game one, Rob Williams

769
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: outplayed him.

770
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: In Game two, Abaca cooled down. I don't know.

771
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 3: You just got to have more scoring from your superstars

772
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. Your best players have to play a

773
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: lot of minutes and they have to be really, really good.

774
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 3: The Celtics didn't have a great game from kemball Walker

775
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: until the very end. So Tatum was the Kawhi Leonard.

776
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 3: He carried him, you know, thirty four points on seventeen shots.

777
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 3: That's incredible. He's looked great so far in the bubble.

778
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 3: The Raptors, they were down two zero against the Bucks

779
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 3: next last year they had Kawhi. Obviously things changed. The

780
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 3: series can still turn around, but they got to figure

781
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 3: out a way to get some easier baskets.

782
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: That's true. All that's true. Sorry, go ahead.

783
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: Well, Jalen Brown, he's not afraid at all of Pascal Siakam.

784
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: He is defending him just so well because second Siakam

785
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: likes the twist into and try to get those little

786
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: flips up. Brown is just waiting there for every single

787
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: one of those, Like just can't move him with his body,

788
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: he can't step past him, He's not quick enough. And

789
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: then Brown when he goes up, Brown just seems to

790
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: rise with him and can test all of those shots

791
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: and so you know some of them bouncing off the

792
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: rim and off the backboard, but they're never clean, they're

793
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: never open, and they never easy looks for Siakam and

794
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: he's getting he's starting to show it, I think, signs

795
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: of frustration or like settling a little bit because he's like,

796
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: I don't want to go inside against this guy because

797
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: I can't beat it. So that's that's gonna be the

798
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: big question here for Nick Nurses, how he can try

799
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: to free up Siaka maybe and get him inside and

800
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: to get some easy looks. But again, the Celtics has

801
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: got so many good quality defenders that there's not really

802
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: a weakness out there. You know, you see Rob Williams

803
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: out there Boston. Rob, I mean if he's not just

804
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: my first ever survivor, but you saw him like he

805
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: basically didn't play in that first round series against Philadelphia,

806
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: but he's long, he's an athletic guy, and he's just

807
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: like everything that Marcus Olt isn't right now, you know,

808
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: he's just out there contest. I think he at once

809
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: point hit you know, ten field goals in a role

810
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: for the series. Yeah, most of those are just you know,

811
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: tip ins and put backs. Bace Andre Jordan he's energy,

812
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: he's energy and effort out there. And then and then

813
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: on the defensive end again he's just another guy with

814
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: long arms. He's athletics. So every time the Raptors seem

815
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: to score a basket, it's it's it tends to be

816
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: against some sort of tough defense when they get them

817
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: to drop. So that twelve point lead they had to

818
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: me felt like a much bigger lead, much stronger lead.

819
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: And you're like, if you would say to someone, well,

820
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: Marcus Smart's going to hit five threes in the fourth quartery, like,

821
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: I will live with that. I mean, that's not going

822
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: to happen. But then it did, and that just sort

823
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: of rejuvenated the Celtics and once they go back onto

824
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: sort of even footing, they had control of that game.

825
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, Raptors fans need to realize that is not

826
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: going to turn into Kwi Leonard here. Okay, so they're

827
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: not going to win the series with you know, suddenly

828
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: going for forty in the next couple of games. It's

829
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: like and giving them the ball and go to work

830
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 2: in ISO and stop posting up anyway, it's not working.

831
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: It's going to have to be these guys just hitting threes.

832
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: The ball continues to move, drive, kick, you know, and

833
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: Lowry has to hit three s. Van Vliet has to

834
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 2: hit threes. The corner threes have to draw. I mean,

835
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 2: I'm with you. Task Markasol every time he shoots. I'm like,

836
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: he banked one in by accident yesterday, and like he's

837
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: just he can't hit a shot, and I'm not sure

838
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: he does other things. I get it, and he's like

839
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: he's like Lowry in that way, as a big guy,

840
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 2: like he he makes other plays and maybe doesn't show

841
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: up in the box score a lot of the time.

842
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: But at this point you need guys that can actually

843
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 2: hit a shot, and I think they got to move

844
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 2: away from him. Norman Powell too, has been invisible because

845
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 2: this was my whole thing looking at this series, like

846
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: the bench has got it. It's so close, it's so

847
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: tight between the starters and the Celtics starters have They'll

848
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: played the Raptor starters through two games. But it's got

849
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: to be a back, and it's got to be Norman Powell,

850
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: and a back has done his part for the most,

851
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,479
Speaker 2: but Powell has been invisible and it's going overlooked because

852
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: Siakam is the storyline and how bad he's been. But

853
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 2: four twelve in game one for Norman, and I'm calling

854
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 2: him Norman because he's not Norm right now. He had

855
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: five thousand a turnover in that game and then four

856
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 2: points in just thirteen minutes. I mean, even got to

857
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: that point where they couldn't even really put them out

858
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: there one for five shooting in game two. Norman's gotta

859
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: be Norm here a little bit more because they need

860
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: a guy to attack and keep going in there, and

861
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: he's a he's a little checked out right now. So

862
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: that's that's rough. I still think the Raptors task can

863
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: actually win this series because there is enough that they're

864
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: strong enough defensively, they've slowed the Celtics team down. They're

865
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: a damn good team. But if nobody hit shots, then

866
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: it's then you're just not gonna win. It's like, it's

867
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 2: simple as that. I hate to say that, but it

868
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 2: really is. I just I guess I still hold out

869
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 2: hope that Van Vliet or Lowry have these games where

870
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 2: they hit you know, for you know, four five threes

871
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 2: and something like that and it opens up a little

872
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: bit more and then they're rolling and then they get

873
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: stops and they're out in transition. But I still think,

874
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it's obviously Game three is the it's the series,

875
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: it's the season for Raptors. They don't win game three,

876
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: they're not winning four straight. They could win Game three,

877
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: And I'm still convinced they could actually do this because

878
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: at least like the fight in them, didn't love the

879
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: you know, the inability to hit shots. But what's your take,

880
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: do you think they can do this?

881
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 4: Well, they can win Game three, and then we're talking

882
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 4: for sure, they're not going to fall over here. They're

883
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 4: not going to fade away that they didn't do that

884
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 4: in Game two. They were really really close. They were

885
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 4: not far off. They just needed a guy in the

886
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 4: fourth quarter. Uh yeah, to have the confidence to have

887
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 4: a good enough three quarters to be able to make

888
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 4: some shots. And you kind of have to count on

889
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 4: the guards. You kind of have to count on the

890
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 4: guys to be who can create the space for themselves

891
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 4: to hit a pull back, like a Fred van Vliet

892
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 4: or Kyle Lowry and they and I think you keep

893
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 4: Marcus sol in the starting lineup just because of it's

894
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 4: happened before. Marcus Sol has been terrible, hasn't been adding

895
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 4: a lot. I should say, like he is, you know,

896
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: fine enough defensively, but everybody on the Marcus Sol hate bandwagon,

897
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 4: where is he? Where is he? Same with Fred van

898
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 4: Vliet last year and things do turn around. But I

899
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 4: think Mark Marcus Sol is in there because he creates

900
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 4: so much space for Fred Vans. Fred van Vliet needs

901
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 4: that monstrous body to keep him away from the Boston

902
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 4: defenders away from him. So I think that's where Gasol

903
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 4: has some value. But I will and the Raptors were.

904
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 2: Pretty good in the first quarter in the third quarter

905
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: when Marcasol was actually playing his minutes for the most

906
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: part too.

907
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're plus seven and and he eats minutes. I

908
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 4: think that's the important part. And Sergebaka can't play that

909
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 4: many minutes. But I think you're going to have a

910
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 4: center spot that needs to be sort of a slash

911
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 4: with three guys Marcas Sol, Serge Ibaka and whoever it is,

912
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 4: Pascal or og Ananobi. I think you just got to

913
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 4: go small and spread it out and have and say

914
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 4: good luck Norman become Norm Powell out there. We just

915
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 4: need we need five ball handlers because we need to

916
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 4: get one of our guards going a little bit more.

917
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 4: This Celtics defense is just too long and all up

918
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 4: in our face, and I think that has to be

919
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 4: an adjustment of Nick Nurse. Don't take Marcus sol out.

920
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 4: But the fact is they have the Celtics have the

921
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 4: better player and Jayson Tatum, and I think, you know,

922
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 4: you compare Tatum and Siakam it's natural. You know, Tatum

923
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: didn't have an incredible night from the floor, but he

924
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 4: had fourteen free throws and that's monstrous. And so he

925
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 4: goes from twenty to thirty four, and he had some

926
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 4: beautiful passing when the Raptors were doubling, those passes to

927
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 4: Marcus Smart were essentially coming from Jason Tatum and Pascal

928
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 4: Siakam is was fine across the board, but he ain't

929
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 4: Jason Tatum. And so I think if the Raptors are

930
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 4: going to get it done, it's going to have to

931
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 4: be by committee. That's just the way it's going to be.

932
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 4: And so you have to help your committee get better

933
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 4: by getting some space out there, and that's got to

934
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 4: come from more guard play.

935
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, through the first two games, I mean, is it

936
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: a reach to say that the Celtics have the four

937
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: best players right now in the series. I mean, if

938
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: you line them all up from the first two games.

939
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 4: It's this another Bill Simmons podcast, It's not this.

940
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: Is the J. Skeets original. But I think it is

941
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: three or four. I mean, it's it's obviously Tatum, and

942
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: then it's Marcus Smart for sure, and then I think

943
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: you're getting into okay, now where are you going? Are

944
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: you going jailing? And Kemba, you know, Kemba again had

945
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: a really bad game too until he was hitting the

946
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 2: clutch shots and caught fire there late. But as I

947
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,479
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't I don't think I'm putting the lowry.

948
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 2: I'm definitely not putting a van Fleet. I'm not over

949
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: them through the first two games. So that's not just

950
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: that's not going to work out for the Raptors. They're

951
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: just not going to win the obviously what was going

952
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: to be a very difficult series to begin with. They're

953
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: not gonna do it if those guys are not the second, third,

954
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: and fourth best players in this series. Really, So that's where.

955
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 4: We're at, and Sir just kind of overperformed already he

956
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 4: was seven of twelve yesterday, so and you know, he

957
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 4: was asked to do a lot and he is. He

958
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 4: has playoff search. He sometimes he comes up with these

959
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 4: little streaks of games. And he was the one in

960
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 4: the locker room last year when the Raptors were down

961
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 4: two oh to the Milwaukee Bucks saying, hey, we were

962
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 4: down two oh with the thunder and we came back.

963
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 4: And I think I think the Celtics are in the

964
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,959
Speaker 4: locker room saying, you know what they're saying.

965
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: Sergea Bak is in there.

966
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 4: So they were down two oh because he said that

967
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 4: last year, and he's probably saying it. I've done it

968
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 4: twice before, and so they know what's coming. They know

969
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 4: another big hit is coming and that they have to

970
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 4: be ready for this Game three. And as we've talked about,

971
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 4: they're up one to oher on the Bucks last year

972
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 4: in round number two or was that round number one?

973
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 4: Round too was around two oh. Yeah, they got through

974
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 4: the first round. Yeah, and then they got mopped four straight.

975
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 4: So they're gonna be ready for game three. This is

976
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 4: but yeah, the Raptors can win. They got to do

977
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 4: with force and I think they I think they can

978
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 4: I think They're not gonna They're not going to fade away.

979
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 4: This team is not going anywhere.

980
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, I know you're hearing a lot

981
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: of the Well, the Wraps were down two out of

982
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: the Bucks last year. There's two major differences. Said the

983
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: one Kawhi, they don't come back if there's no Kuai

984
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: done rap, I'm sorry. And the other thing is, I

985
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 2: think the Celtics are better than the Bucks. I think

986
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: this year Celtics are better than last year's Bucks because

987
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: I believe they're coach a lot more and I mean

988
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: they've got a little hunger to them too. So I

989
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: think those are the two differences. Again, I'm on record

990
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: that I still think the Raps can do this. I

991
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: still think Raps in seven is a possibility. Putt you

992
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: do seriously me, of all people, me, that's crazy. I mean,

993
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna have to smash this frame towel

994
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: because it's batter over two right now.

995
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to pull a Movernie. We saw him

996
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 3: in the crowd last night. He was wearing a white

997
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: shirt for the first half a red shirt for the

998
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: second half.

999
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,479
Speaker 2: I know that towel is reversible. Maybe you should change

1000
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: it out, flip it up. Yeah, it cost me another

1001
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars. Maybe I just gotta wear my sunglass

1002
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: and watch the game through my sunglasses. Like Molvernie, how

1003
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: can you even see what's going on through the virtual

1004
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: crowd there?

1005
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I hadn't even really considered it.

1006
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 3: But there's a chance that Mlvernie in Chief could be

1007
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: sitting next to each other and the virtual stands during

1008
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 3: this series. Whoa the Celtics though, Man, they've been great

1009
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: all season long. They're top five in offense and defense.

1010
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 3: That's a championship contending team. And like you guys are saying,

1011
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 3: there's no Kawhi Leonard for the Raptors, and Jason Tatum

1012
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: is looking a little Kawhi Leonard like for the Celtics.

1013
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 3: That guy can get a shot anytime he needs to

1014
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 3: get a shot.

1015
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: Yep, that's the uh for Raptors fans, that's the sad truth.

1016
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: And then you throw Kemba in the mix there too,

1017
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: who can obviously get his own shot when he needs

1018
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: to at least don't look at a good shot. Yeah,

1019
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: that's that's tough. Raps backs against the wall. But it's

1020
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: here from the Raps fans out there. He still have

1021
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 2: faith in them being able to take down the Beantown Boys.

1022
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: They're gaining strength in the Bean Town Boys.

1023
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. In the chat, Mulvernie Mlverney just has to steal

1024
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 4: one of those top hats from mister Chief tak Olverney

1025
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 4: has to take off his fedora and put on one

1026
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 4: of those hats. Yeah, yeah, steal it.

1027
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start doing my work. I tweeted this in

1028
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 2: game Threely, I've been taking this too casual these games.

1029
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: I think it's because maybe we're in September now, there's

1030
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 2: been so much basketball on. I'm not. I'm not locked

1031
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 2: into these Raptors game tasks like I used to be

1032
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: last year. I gotta start standing. The jersey's gotta get on.

1033
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: I'm not.

1034
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: I'm brutal right now. I'm not doing my car So

1035
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 2: I'm guaranteeing garonteeing a Game three Raptors victory, Okay, because

1036
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do my part in Game three on what

1037
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: is it, Thursday six thirty?

1038
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that's good, that's good to say. Why

1039
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: why why an't you doing it? You just forgot or

1040
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: you're just getting fluffy on me.

1041
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just like you're getting fat, you get the

1042
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 2: you gets a championship, getting lazy. Yeah, and you're like,

1043
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: I've got a championship. We're always come back.

1044
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: We're always coming back from deficits.

1045
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: We're gonna do it again. But good to see. I

1046
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: might stand there with you.

1047
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 4: For a while.

1048
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: Look, okay, I'm putting in work on Thursday. I'm not

1049
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 2: going down without a fight. I'm actually gonna give it

1050
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: a go. So we'll see, we'll see. All right, we

1051
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: got to take another quick break here, but when we

1052
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: come back, we'll get to today's games. All right. Time

1053
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: for tweet of the night, tweet out the night.

1054
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 3: Wow, today is tweeted the night actually comes from this

1055
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: morning called Lee ellis wait till second to find a classic.

1056
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: But that's what comes to us from Rhys Waters.

1057
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 3: Two tweets Charles Oakley, just one Dancing with the Stars

1058
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: because I wish you would try and.

1059
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: Kick him off.

1060
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 3: That's right, Charles Oakley is gonna be on the twenty

1061
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 3: ninth season of Dancing with the Stars. That's a lot

1062
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 3: of dancing. But man, we have got a legitimately killer

1063
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 3: lineup here. AJ McClain from the Backstreet Boys He's got

1064
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 3: to be the favorite if you ask me, Netflix, his

1065
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 3: cheer head coach, Monica al Dama, Caitlin Bristow from The Bachelorette,

1066
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 3: Nev Shulman from Catfish, Charles Oakley, as I mentioned, and

1067
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen, we've got Nelly and.

1068
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: Carol Baskin from Tiger Way.

1069
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: Carol Baskin from Tiger King is on Dancing with the Stars.

1070
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: It's a killer lineup. What what a lineup? What a lineup? Yeah? Nelly?

1071
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: Does Nellie have moves? He makes some good dancing selly,

1072
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 3: but does Nelly have moves? I don't know. That's why

1073
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 3: to me, AJ is the favorite. I can't wait to

1074
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 3: see Charles Oakley. But AJ made his libby singing and dancing.

1075
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 3: What do they get paid for that? What is Charles

1076
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: Oakley going to make for going on Dancing on the Stars.

1077
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: Honestly, no idea.

1078
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: But it is going to be pretty funny because you know,

1079
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: the ladies they dance with tend to be kind of petite,

1080
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: and Charles is what six eight six y nine, and

1081
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: he's carrying probably a little bit of extra retirement wait

1082
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: as well, So it's going to be Yeah, no, I

1083
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: mean It's going to be interesting to see how they

1084
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: can coordinate and how they can move, because you know,

1085
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: like that that's the thing. On a basketball court, they

1086
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: all look kind of around the same sort of you know,

1087
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: they look in proportion to each other. But when you

1088
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: see a basketball with a normal person or a you know,

1089
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: a small dancer, he's going to look like bobarn out there.

1090
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: Right. Well, it wasn't Derek Fisher on this once, once

1091
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: upon a time. I think you remember we showed him

1092
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 2: Derek Fisher.

1093
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I believe in Derek Fisher's footwork more

1094
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 4: than I do. Charles going to be a Charles is

1095
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 4: going to be a statue out there. He's going to

1096
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 4: be doing some lifts. There's not gonna be much dancing

1097
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 4: from him.

1098
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: He sat in some screens.

1099
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 4: He'll probably he'll roast a chicken before and he'll cook

1100
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 4: the dinners. But Carola, this is a very polarizing.

1101
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: Seems to be much better. I'll tell you that.

1102
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 4: I know we're putting Carol in Carroll basket in this hole.

1103
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think the good thing is people

1104
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 4: with a lot of time.

1105
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 3: Is that what you're thinking, adopt, He's gonna have great outfits,

1106
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: that's for sure.

1107
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I mean.

1108
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: People like, get on us for being Survivor fans. Survivor

1109
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: season forty, that show's still on. Dancing with the Stars

1110
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: season twenty nine, Is that what you said? Oh yeah,

1111
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars at least Survivors a real show.

1112
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: That's crazy. It's got to be just so cheap to make.

1113
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: They're like, why not, there's enough people to tune in,

1114
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: Just make it. Yeah, I'm sure you're right.

1115
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, people like dancing. People like hearing that cover band

1116
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 3: play some delicious songs.

1117
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 4: Hey J McLain, Yeah, I think you got some high hopes.

1118
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 4: They're Trey. You know, he wasn't a singer. He wasn't

1119
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 4: a singer with the Backstory boys, he did have some moves,

1120
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 4: so he probably he's probably underrated in the moves department,

1121
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 4: and probably Brian and Nick were probably holding him back

1122
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 4: in the dancing department.

1123
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: Actually, who wins this show? Like, like do you have

1124
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: to be like you have to be a good dancer?

1125
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 2: Who already contest? O? Like who votes? He gets both?

1126
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 3: You get like I think you get scores from the

1127
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 3: judges for your skills and then like the lowest people

1128
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 3: are like, are on the cutting block. You got to

1129
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: call in, and you know, we got to call in

1130
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 3: and save Carol Baskin. All you sexy cats and kittens kills.

1131
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, like the state of Florida and Texas, they're all

1132
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 4: going to be voting for Carol basking to get to

1133
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 4: the finals. But I think the person and they'll keep

1134
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 4: the popular players around, or the popular players the popular

1135
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 4: dancers around, but the person in the end who wins

1136
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: has to be able to dance. I think I think

1137
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 4: they try and keep their integrity in the following Yeah,

1138
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 4: they to keep it popular and then oh yeah, oh yeah,

1139
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 4: yeah we need a dancer. Nelly can't dance. Get out

1140
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 4: of here, Nelly, Yeah I can't.

1141
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: I don't be a great dancer.

1142
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 4: Come on, maybe he's gonna he's gonna sweat, he'll wear

1143
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 4: a suit.

1144
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: Okay, tuys, let's uh yeah, let's talk about today's games.

1145
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 3: What do we got?

1146
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: We got?

1147
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 4: Yes, baby, doubleheader on ESPN the nightcap is that game seven?

1148
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 4: Okay see and Houston okay see three tight wins and

1149
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 4: Houston three blowout wins in this series. It's it's wild.

1150
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 4: So who does that favor? Let's get some quick predictions

1151
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 4: before we talk about the other game. We gotta make

1152
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 4: a pick. You'd assume it's gonna be a close game.

1153
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 4: So does that favor okay See or does it matter

1154
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 4: Trey give us a pick.

1155
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 3: A close game certainly favors okay See. And if it's ugly,

1156
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 3: that favors okay See as well. But I'm picking the Rockets,

1157
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: of course. I picked the Rockets and seven to begin with.

1158
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 3: I can't abandon them now. But if it is a

1159
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 3: game that comes down to the fourth quarter, I'll be quaking.

1160
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: In my boots with that Rockets pick. What do you

1161
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: think I'm going Rockets as well? I mean it's sort

1162
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: of like what Trey said, I had Rockets in seven.

1163
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 2: Why would I change that pick? Now? It's right there.

1164
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: It could happen. But I will say, if it's a

1165
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: close game, no doubt that favors okay See. They've got

1166
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: the proven track record. And if the Rockets lose this,

1167
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 2: I don't know where they go from here. Like I mean,

1168
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: D'Antoni would be gone anyway. Probably Darryl Morey might lose

1169
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: his job. I don't know you've got Westbrook's contract. I

1170
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: don't know what you're doing with that, So maybe you're

1171
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: stuck there. But James Harden, I don't think we'll ever

1172
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 2: hear the end of this. If he has a bad,

1173
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 2: bad performance night, or like you know, shies away from

1174
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 2: the ball late in a close game like we talked

1175
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: about let Lee at the end of game six, he

1176
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: will be dragged forever. Honestly, if they don't pull this off.

1177
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: He he needs this win, as weird as that SAYDS tonight.

1178
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: He really needs a good game and he could do it.

1179
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: He could go for forty. Why not, My god, that's

1180
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure because I will never, I'll never,

1181
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 2: I'll never let him hear the end of this. Serious, like,

1182
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: you gotta get pass this team. You have to, so

1183
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: I'll got rockets in the end.

1184
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: Well, I'll stick with my pick of Thunder I said

1185
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: in six, but obviously I'm as I stay in seven.

1186
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just feel the fact that they pulled

1187
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: that one out in game six that the Thunder are

1188
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,479
Speaker 1: going to feel pretty confident going. Of course, both teams

1189
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: feel they can win this game, but you know, the

1190
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: Thunder were down six with only a couple of minutes

1191
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: to go and they got that win. So now Chris

1192
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: Paul is like, you saw how emotional he was after

1193
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: that victory. He's like he wants He's the same sort

1194
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: of thing with James Harden. He doesn't want a first

1195
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: another first round exit on his resume at this stage

1196
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: of his career. If he can get one past Russell

1197
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: and James Harden, knowing that likely whichever team wins is

1198
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: likely going out in the next round anyway, but just

1199
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: that sort of like win that little battle at least

1200
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: against your former teammates and colleagues and stuff like that.

1201
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: So I'll take the Thunder in a close one, I think. Again,

1202
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: last night sort of showed us the game sevens are

1203
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: going to be tight, and even a big lead is

1204
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: not safe because even if you're up, that team that's

1205
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: up is probably going to get a little tight themselves

1206
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: down the stretch. So I think it's a close one,

1207
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: and if Chris Paul gets Chats to close it out,

1208
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna really lick his lips in that

1209
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: moment and try to try to do some damage to

1210
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: his foreming team.

1211
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: If Harding goes seven for twenty three in this Game

1212
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 2: seven and the Rockets lose, he might as well quit

1213
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 2: the NBA and put his resume in for Dancing with

1214
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: the Stars because it's not coming back from this one.

1215
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: So come on, James. I'm rooting for James Harden to

1216
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 2: have a big game tonight. I'd like him to obviously

1217
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 2: shut up some of the haters, myself included. I guess

1218
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 2: I think I'd rather a Rockets Lakers series, if I'm

1219
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: being honest too, in the second round. As much as

1220
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed cheering on the Thunder here, watching the Thunder

1221
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 2: all season long and their scrappiness, I just think we

1222
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 2: might be a little more interesting in the stag round.

1223
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 4: So what do you got though, Tasks, Well, I think

1224
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 4: James Harden ripped through a move on Dancing with the

1225
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 4: Stars will be interesting. Yeah, yeah, the old rip, the

1226
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 4: trying like he'd get his partner to try and foul him. Yeah, could.

1227
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 4: There could be some moves there, but I think they're

1228
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 4: gonna last another day. I think just the fact that, okay,

1229
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 4: see one game six, you know that happens in playoff.

1230
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 4: There's a yang, and there's a yang, and the Rockets

1231
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 4: will come out with a little bit more tenacity than

1232
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 4: the Thunder will. After Game six is win and Chris Paul,

1233
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 4: I think already sort of has a win because people

1234
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 4: think of him as a closer now, while you know,

1235
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 4: for the majority of his career as our hater man

1236
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 4: turned lover man, Trey Kirby of Chris Paul used to say,

1237
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 4: like he has struggled at times closing out games, but

1238
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 4: now we think of him as a closer. So either way,

1239
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 4: I think Chris Paul goes home a winner, but I

1240
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 4: think the Rockets are winning in a blowout tonight. I

1241
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 4: think Russell Westbrook will have a bounce back game. But

1242
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 4: looking forward to that one nine o'clock Eastern on ESPN,

1243
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 4: the first one I want to talk about a little

1244
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 4: story involved with that one as well. That one's at

1245
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 4: six thirty eastern. It's Game two of Miami Milwaukee. The

1246
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler saga was great to watch in game number

1247
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 4: one as he closed it out. But after that game,

1248
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 4: there was an All Star who reportedly told ESPN's Tim

1249
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 4: McMahon that Yiannis is quote not a lockdown defender who

1250
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 4: shuts down other stars end quote, meaning he shouldn't have

1251
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 4: been named the league's top defender. Now, is that just

1252
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 4: good timing by this All Star? When he sees Giannis

1253
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 4: help defense, and he sees a game that he sees

1254
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 4: him lose a game.

1255
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: This is just.

1256
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 4: Just just a finding a reason to poke a hole

1257
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 4: at Giannis for whatever, right, just because people want to

1258
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 4: talk or is there some truth to that. Let's go

1259
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 4: around the horn here again, Trey, what do you think?

1260
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 3: Uh? You know, Giannis is catching a lot of criticism

1261
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 3: for the way things went down in Game one, especially

1262
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: afterwards when he said, why would I guard Jimmy Butler?

1263
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: My coach didn't ask me to do that?

1264
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 3: And people are right, like their Bucks have been the

1265
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 3: best defensive team in the league for the entire season.

1266
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 3: They're not going to change their defensive principles based on

1267
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 3: Game one of a second round series. Maybe they should

1268
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 3: in game two, but you're not gonna have Giannis guarding

1269
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 3: Jimmy Butler for.

1270
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: The entire game.

1271
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 3: That being said, two minutes, he can do it for

1272
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 3: two minutes. I would think, don't necessarily know that you

1273
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: have to be a lockdown defender, that you have to

1274
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 3: be able to go out and guard people one on

1275
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 3: one to be the best defender in the league. We've

1276
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 3: seen a lot of big guys win Defensive Player of

1277
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 3: the year by being great rim protectors, and that's certainly

1278
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 3: Janni's strength as a weak side defender. He can help

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00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 3: at the rim, he gets a whole bunch of steals,

1280
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 3: he hits the glass. These are all major defensive things

1281
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 3: that he does as well. But there are also other options.

1282
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 3: If Chris Middleton is getting roasted again, right Like, let's

1283
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 3: see Wesley Matthews take a turn on Jimmy Butler. Let's

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00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 3: see somebody else. I mean, George Hall got a turn

1285
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 3: and he's like, maybe a little bit too small to

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00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 3: be sticking Butler. But Wesley Matthews, you know, they were

1287
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,959
Speaker 3: college teammates, they know each other pretty well. I would

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00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 3: imagine West gets a little bit of a chance here.

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00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 3: But you do want to see Yanna's step up, And

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00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 3: I think that that's the key thing is that, Yeah,

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00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 3: he didn't take Jimmy Butler down the stretch, but he

1292
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 3: also didn't really put his stamp on game one. You

1293
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 3: want the guy who's going to be a two time

1294
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 3: MVP to go out and say, I'm winning us this game,

1295
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 3: I'm having forty tonight, and that just wasn't the case

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00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 3: in game home.

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Speaker 1: Cleat you what do you think, Yeah, I mean, it's

1298
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: like Kawhi Lenard, for example, is a great defender, dis

1299
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: ease he doesn't go out and guard the other team's

1300
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: best player for the entire game. It's one of those things.

1301
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: It's like, we know he's a great defender, and if

1302
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: a guy's getting hot, then you can sort of say, okay, Kawai,

1303
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: why don't you go and take this guy for a while.

1304
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: So that's the way I see it as Yannis is

1305
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: that if you're my Boudenholz, you're not like you're guarding

1306
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler the entire game. But when it comes to

1307
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: crunch time and it's like if Butler's heart and he's

1308
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: feeling good and he's demanding the ball, that's when it's like,

1309
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: all right, maybe it's your turn to go up now

1310
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: and try to stop him, because he's basically cooked those

1311
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: other guys. But Jannas's defensive presence and what he does

1312
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: for that Bucks team, I mean you can't question that

1313
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 1: at all. I mean, you know so many times teams

1314
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: will try to just move the ball away from where

1315
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: Yannis is because they know that he can get up

1316
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: and contest any shot. So he there's no question in

1317
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 1: my mind that Yannis was a fully deserving defensive Player

1318
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: of the Year, but there's very few defenders who just

1319
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: go out there and be like, right, this is your

1320
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: job for the entire game. Defend this guy and that's it.

1321
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: You know, you have to do. You have to fit

1322
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: into the defensive pattern of your team, and then on

1323
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: the offensive end. Yannis has obviously got such a big

1324
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: load as well, so he's not gonna waste all his

1325
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: energy just defending one guy, knowing that he can impact

1326
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: the defense. In simony other wides.

1327
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 2: Who's the All Star task? Who said this? That's all

1328
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 2: I care about. I'm trying to figure that out. Tim McMahon,

1329
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 2: I believe is in the bubble, right. I think he's

1330
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: down there for ESPN. I know Bontemps is. I think

1331
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 2: McMahon is as well. So does that mean the yeah,

1332
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 2: both tims are down here, got to have two times

1333
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 2: in the bubble. I want like, I'm assuming this means

1334
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: then the All Star is there. I mean, I guess

1335
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: it could be Trey Young calling up Tim McMahon on

1336
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 2: the phone, but I don't think so. I'm thinking the

1337
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 2: All Stars there, So there's not a lot. I mean,

1338
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: you can figure we can get into it if we

1339
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 2: really wanted to, we could figure out who said this,

1340
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 2: Like it was Jimmy Butler, Yeah, yeah, maybe it was

1341
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: Chris Hilton. He's like, I'm getting cooked. Man, you're the

1342
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: defensive player of the Ah, you'd take him. I'm tired,

1343
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 2: get my ass, he hadded to me. Yeah, I'd like

1344
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: to just figure it out. But look, he's a deserving

1345
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 2: defensive player of the year. Yeah, what it was disappointing.

1346
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: You know, your lockdown defender should be on the best

1347
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: offensive player when it's when it's runch time for a.

1348
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 4: Couple possessions, especially the way they're coding.

1349
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 2: Le Bron did it all the time, Collie did it

1350
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 2: all the time.

1351
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what harts, but not for forty eight minutes.

1352
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 4: And Wesley Matthews was really good on him for the

1353
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 4: first three and a half quarters, even though Jimmy was

1354
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 4: getting his numbers. There was a nice strip in the post,

1355
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 4: like Wesley Matthews is getting the primary job of a

1356
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 4: perimeter player. That's not Giannis's job, that's not Rudy Gobert's job,

1357
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 4: that's not Draymond Green's job. I mean, that's how it goes.

1358
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 4: The more we talk about this, the more I regret

1359
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 4: bringing it up at all. I mean, who cares? Who

1360
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 4: cares that this All Star set it? But whoever said

1361
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 4: he didn't make his imprint on the offensive side. That's

1362
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 4: the big problem here. That's where the All Stars probably

1363
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 4: getting his AMMO from. Because I think the whole the

1364
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 4: old Internet is waiting for Giannis to take over. And

1365
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 4: it's just tough for a sort of a big guy

1366
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 4: who is a hybrid wing player to do that. But

1367
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 4: we're all waiting for him to do that. And you know,

1368
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 4: he hasn't even taken his lumps yet this postseason, the

1369
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 4: way he did against the Raptors last year, the way

1370
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 4: he took it in the bubble in the regular season

1371
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 4: games where he couldn't finish off Houston going into the lane.

1372
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 4: I think we're going to get some of that where

1373
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 4: he goes into the lane and he sees too many

1374
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 4: bodies and history says he'll either turn it over or

1375
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 4: he'll pass out. And we have to see if he's

1376
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,479
Speaker 4: learned enough to show whether it's a little flick shot,

1377
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 4: hook shot, dinker dumper able to stop and pop some

1378
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 4: sort of push shot, because there's gonna be bodies there,

1379
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that's where the All Stars real

1380
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 4: motivation is. It's MVP and Defensive Player of the Year.

1381
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 4: What the heck they haven't won yet. But yeah, it's

1382
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 4: up to Budenholzer to make this happen. And Gahannis probably

1383
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 4: would have helped on the defensive end as well to

1384
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 4: get at least a couple possessions with those big hands

1385
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 4: in Jimmy Butler's face, you would think.

1386
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: So Hopefully a Budenholzer for Bucks fans tightens up the

1387
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 2: rotation a little bit here. I don't know, is it

1388
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: a must win game two already? I guess not, but

1389
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 2: sort of feels that way with way how how well

1390
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: the Heat are playing. Hopefully it's a close game, that's

1391
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: what we're hoping more because you think that second one

1392
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 2: is going to be a blowout there task So I

1393
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 2: hope the first one's close, and I think it will

1394
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 2: be Bucks Heat tonight. So let's call it there because

1395
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,600
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