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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal. Holl that for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: for a day? Edith Steak is that woof woof? And

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Speaker 1: Dan and Tye welcome back to the Solid Verbal boys

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Speaker 2: My name's ty Hildebrand, joining me as always over there

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Speaker 2: in the Chicago burbs, Dan Rubinstein, sir, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm good? Just one burb, just one burb. I'm pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I'm down on sleep because that's how things operate when

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Speaker 1: you are a parent of a four week old. But

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Speaker 1: come on, I can't. Everybody does this that has a kid.

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Speaker 1: It's you get a lot of love time in. It's great,

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Speaker 1: a lot of cuddles and snuggles. Tie oh yeah, Solid

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Speaker 1: Verbal dot com your snuggle and coddle.

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Speaker 2: Dan and I are all over the place, two episodes

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Speaker 2: a week through this year off season. Probably as we

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Speaker 2: get closer into what July, Dan somewhere in that range.

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Speaker 2: That's when we'll flip it back over and go three

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Speaker 2: times a week to start to build excitement for the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one season.

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Speaker 1: As for now, though, happy Spring.

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Speaker 2: I believe our first episode of the new spring season

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Speaker 2: here in twenty twenty one, Dan, you do anything exciting?

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Speaker 1: On the first day of spring, No, but solid. Toddler

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Speaker 1: went to the quote unquote beach which people call Lake

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Speaker 1: fantastic time. Apparently I was I was here doing I

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Speaker 1: was here in the podcast minds TI. Yeah, but no,

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Speaker 1: at some parks out the site. Does the little man

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Speaker 1: like sand loves Yeah, absolutely, adoors you shake out his

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Speaker 2: I feel like it goes either way with kids. I

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Speaker 1: Either love it or hate it. No, he's the soil king.

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Speaker 1: He likes all that stuff. Yeah, muck and mud and

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, look, it's a pleasure to have everyone

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Speaker 2: back here listening to the show. We've got a great

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Speaker 2: and fun interview, fun interview just for you, Dan.

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Speaker 1: With our good friend Ari Wasserman.

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Speaker 2: We had him on during our National Championship live broadcast,

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Speaker 2: but we invited him back in. Ari covers a national

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Speaker 2: recruiting beat for the athletics, so we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: I know he also wants to talk to you in

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Speaker 2: excruciating detail about.

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Speaker 1: The pizza, agonizing detail about pizza. Here's the thing. If

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Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, that was enough college football. That was enough. Tie,

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Speaker 1: That was enough Dan. I can't imagine there's ever enough tie,

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Speaker 1: but I understand there being enough, Dan, and you just

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Speaker 1: thank you for following, et cetera, et cetera. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: You can find him at Ari Wasserman out on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: We'll bring him on the show. Here momentarily. We've again

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Speaker 2: got an episode coming up on Thursday, and as per usual,

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Speaker 2: please go out to forbowlers dot com check out all

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Speaker 2: the fun stuff that we are yes doing dan NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 2: We're recording this on a Monday, is well underway, going

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Speaker 2: Oregon Ducks advancing though only playing one.

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Speaker 1: Game, advancing two rounds, playing one game tough to pull off, Ducks,

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Speaker 2: One handily earlier today against your Iowahawk guys. Okay, my

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Speaker 2: We had him on I believe during the National Championship right.

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Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, the live stream, the extended live stream we did.

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Speaker 1: We had him on Ari Wasserman, senior writer for The Athletic.

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Speaker 1: He covers college football and recruiting the National Recruiting b

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Gary, How you doing?

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Speaker 3: You know this is actually the dream come true? Because

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Speaker 1: Right? Wow? This is why is that if you don't

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Speaker 1: mind me asking. I'm not fishing for compliments here because

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Speaker 3: You have such unique personalities, and like even like the

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Speaker 2: So I did want to harken back to that last

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Speaker 1: It just kind of worked out that way. Was tough

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Speaker 3: So I didn't see tough Borland covering the best player

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Speaker 3: talk about how Alabama keeps doing this. I'd be more

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Speaker 1: So okay, let's get into recruiting.

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Speaker 2: Then.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you gave me a perfect segue.

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Speaker 2: Alabama, by all accounts, just signed the best class ever.

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Speaker 2: It does for anyone wondering when is this train going

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Speaker 1: You know, Alabama is its own monster.

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Speaker 3: But I'm happy that we're on right now because I

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Speaker 1: Of the top one hundred.

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Speaker 1: They're going to the NFL more frequently.

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Speaker 1: Ty, what's your UCLA answer? My UCLA answer to what?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So if you're a UCLA and you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: people are going to be privy to is that you

436
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Speaker 3: can do that anywhere, and every college campus is passionate

437
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Speaker 3: about the players that are on their team.

438
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Speaker 1: And two, the number one goal.

439
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Speaker 3: For these people, these recruits, no matter where they're from

440
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Speaker 3: or what they're rated, is to gain generational.

441
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Speaker 1: Wealth through being a professional.

442
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Speaker 3: And if players who are legitimately NFL prospects, and you

443
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Speaker 3: know those players, you can see them in their high

444
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 3: school tapes, you know the top one hundred players, you

445
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Speaker 3: know you are pretty good bets. It's a very shortsighted

446
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Speaker 3: business decision to pick a school based on how many

447
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Speaker 3: Instagram followers you can accumulate, because even if you take

448
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Speaker 3: your eye off the ball for a minute and focus

449
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 3: on your marketability as a student athlete, your real money

450
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 3: is going to be in your draft stock and your

451
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Speaker 3: second contract in your NFL and being developed into it.

452
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Speaker 3: So you know, I've had fantasies of is Rutgers going

453
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Speaker 3: to turn into a power now because they can hang

454
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Speaker 3: a banner of their best player in Manhattan is like

455
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Speaker 3: Northwestern all of a sudden going to be marketable because

456
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Speaker 3: they're in Chicago. Is UCLA being in Hollywood or being

457
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Speaker 3: near Hollywood and the vicinity of Hollywood or usc going

458
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Speaker 3: to be different because they're in Los Angeles. This is

459
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Speaker 3: where everybody would want to live if they had the

460
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Speaker 3: money to do it. Maybe not La but you know,

461
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Speaker 3: Manhattan Beach, Laguna Beach. Sure, Hollywood's kind of dump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

463
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Speaker 3: But the answer to the question is if I had

464
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Speaker 3: had a prospect who for a son that was being recruited,

465
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Speaker 3: I would always continually emphasize the chance to to get

466
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Speaker 3: a great education, which matters believe it or not to

467
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Speaker 3: some people, and to put yourself a position to wait

468
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Speaker 3: three more years to get the generational wealth. And it's like,

469
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Speaker 3: you might have marketability at Northwestern, maybe you might be

470
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Speaker 3: more visibly nationally because of the city that they're in.

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Speaker 3: But if you're a five star quarterback in Alabama's recruiting you,

472
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Speaker 3: Tuscaloosa and Chicago are very different places. But where are

473
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Speaker 3: you going to go? Are you going to go to

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Speaker 3: the place that might be able to get you a

475
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Speaker 3: few fifty thousand dollars checks more? And again that's a

476
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Speaker 3: lot of money. I would take fifty thousand, but when

477
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Speaker 3: compared to the potential of the long term view of

478
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Speaker 3: your income possibilities, it's a dropping the bucket. So you know,

479
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Speaker 3: how you break through this. I think it's possible they

480
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Speaker 3: might be more dispersed. Maybe it'll be forty or fifty

481
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Speaker 3: instead of fifty nine or sixty. But I still don't

482
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Speaker 3: see a world where Nick Saban and Dabo Sweeney and

483
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Speaker 3: the big dogs of producing NFL talent all of a

484
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Speaker 3: sudden lose the ability to get players, because all of

485
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Speaker 3: a sudden, Instagram can become a monetary thing for these guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think best case scenario for the side

487
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Speaker 2: of parody would obviously be a couple kids a year

488
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Speaker 2: pick maybe the short term hit, the short term check

489
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Speaker 2: over the longer term marketability, profitability, draft stock, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: And you also can make the argument too that if

491
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Speaker 3: you're really good and you go anywhere, then it doesn't matter, right, right,

492
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Speaker 3: And that's the point I made about the self fulfilling prophecies,

493
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Speaker 3: So like, I want to make sure I'm consistent on that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if Trevor Lawrence went to Indiana, he would be

495
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Speaker 1: a top five pack. Yeah, it would be clear his day. Yeah, No,

496
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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 3: He went to Indiana, maybe he wouldn't be maybe he'd

498
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Speaker 3: be a first rounder, but maybe Justin Fields would be

499
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Speaker 3: the number one player in the draft right now because

500
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Speaker 3: they're playing in the playoff and winning Heisman's and doing

501
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Speaker 3: those things. Like if Trevor Lawrence went to Indiana and

502
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Speaker 3: got his head beat in for four years, I'm not

503
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Speaker 3: saying he wouldn't be a generational talent, but optics is

504
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 3: such a huge part of this whole thing too, guys,

505
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Speaker 3: and like looking and looking good on January first in

506
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Speaker 3: a playoff game is really part of the deal as well.

507
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Speaker 3: Especially at a quarterback position, we're leadership and wins and

508
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 3: accountability and all those things come into play. So, you know,

509
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Speaker 3: it's such a tough question. I get it asked all

510
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Speaker 3: the time. What is nil going to do to college football?

511
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Speaker 3: It's like, in a world are there going to be?

512
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Speaker 3: Because I did an anonymous coaching survey where or assistant

513
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Speaker 3: recruiting assistant survey in December around signing Day, where I

514
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Speaker 3: called twenty or twenty five recruiting coordinators and just talk

515
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Speaker 3: to them on the phone. And asked them a bunch

516
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Speaker 3: of questions, And I asked, do you see cheating in

517
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Speaker 3: college football? And all of them said yes, some said

518
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: very little stuff like too many calls or the bumpins

519
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. And I've heard people say that

520
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Speaker 3: kids have been offered two hundred and fifty grand to go,

521
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Speaker 3: And it's like, are we going to be living in

522
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Speaker 3: a world where every player in the top thirty five

523
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Speaker 3: of the two four to seven composite rankings can make

524
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Speaker 3: a quarter of a million dollars to go to school somewhere?

525
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Speaker 3: And like, are the donors going to be able to

526
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Speaker 3: do that? Like Les Wexner, who's the donor at Ohio State,

527
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 3: who's like worth billions of dollars, is going to start

528
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Speaker 3: backing up the Branks truck every time Ohio State's recruiting

529
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Speaker 3: a kid, Or are businessmen going to continue to be

530
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Speaker 3: smart and rich by not wasting their money like that?

531
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Speaker 3: So it's like, we don't really know the extent of

532
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Speaker 3: where it's going to be, but if we land on

533
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Speaker 3: the rational part of that, which is it's probably going

534
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Speaker 3: to be pretty self contained. Some kids might make more

535
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Speaker 3: than others, but for the most part, they're just going

536
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Speaker 3: to be making normal livable wages for adults, and the

537
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Speaker 3: players who are less marketable might be making five thousand

538
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Speaker 3: and at that point, I don't know that it changes

539
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Speaker 3: everything at all. But if we start talking about two

540
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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty grand, then all of a sudden, I

541
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Speaker 3: think that changes a little bit. So it'll be very

542
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Speaker 3: interesting to see, like Oklahoma State and all that tea

543
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Speaker 3: boon money, Like, is Oklahoma State going to be like

544
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Speaker 3: one of the top five programs in America now because

545
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Speaker 3: they have oil money to throw around? Like, but all

546
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Speaker 3: these schools are all wet rich, like Texas A and

547
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Speaker 3: M Texas. I mean, how do you decipher? I mean,

548
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Speaker 3: Vanderbilt has a boatload of money. It's just a matter

549
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Speaker 3: of how it's going to be employed. And I don't

550
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Speaker 3: think we really know how it's going to be until

551
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Speaker 3: it actually happens.

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Speaker 1: The other element of all of this, and this is

553
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Speaker 1: sort of in line with your self fulfilling prophecy, is

554
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Speaker 1: there's a likelectricity to the major programs. If you go

555
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Speaker 1: to a game in Tuscaloosa, if you go to a

556
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Speaker 1: game in State College, if you go to a game

557
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Speaker 1: in Columbus, if you go to a game in Baton Rouge,

558
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Speaker 1: if you go game in Gainesville, whatever these major schools

559
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Speaker 1: there is there are tens of thousands of people tailgating

560
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Speaker 1: eleven hours before kickoff. That's not the case in Pasadena.

561
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Speaker 1: That's not the case in a lot of Pac twelve schools,

562
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Speaker 1: a lot of Big ten school Like, there's a certain

563
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Speaker 1: amount of electricity where your UCLA question is basically like,

564
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Speaker 1: it's electricity. That's what Pete Carroll was able to generate.

565
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: Now that's lightning in a bottle. Pete Carroll's a star

566
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Speaker 1: NFL coach who happened to coach in college for a while,

567
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Speaker 1: and he has a charming personality, and there were celebrities there.

568
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Speaker 1: UCLA has to or any school like this you mentioned

569
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Speaker 1: ASU but Texas Tech. There has to be the next

570
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: random Khalil Tait accident there. There has to be something

571
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Speaker 1: that draws attention and draws butts into the stands, because

572
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Speaker 1: any random UCLA game at the rose Ball is not

573
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Speaker 1: going to draw that. And so I would also look

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Speaker 1: scatter or search college football to see who are the

575
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Speaker 1: assistants that are underappreciated in terms of churning out NFL talent.

576
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Speaker 1: Who is like The next was that Craig Kuligowski was

577
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: at Missou with an Alabama Miami like then just kept

578
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: developing NFL defensive lineman. Who is that guy that is?

579
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Speaker 1: That is a way to think where it's like, Okay,

580
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Speaker 1: how am I going to turn these three and four

581
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: stars into top three round picks? And what does that beget?

582
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Speaker 1: UCLA is a tough It's just a tough. It's an

583
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Speaker 1: academic school. It's in a pro sports town. Like You're

584
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Speaker 1: just not going to be able to change certain elements

585
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Speaker 1: of college towns. You're not gonna be able to make

586
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Speaker 1: Minneapolis any warmer and closer to what the weather of

587
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Speaker 1: Tuscaloosa or Austin. So I think a lot of it

588
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: is luck. I think a lot of it is strategy.

589
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: And when you do strike lightning in a bottle, whatever

590
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: that is, you have to immediately build on it. You

591
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: have to immediately say you can be the next like

592
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: UCLA needs to find Michael Vick, right, Like Blacksburg wasn't

593
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Speaker 1: a hot spot, but what Michael Vick was able to

594
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Speaker 1: do was turn Virginia Tech into a major program. And

595
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Speaker 1: it was just it was good coaching and good program

596
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: building that that that everything in Blacksburg came together after

597
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Speaker 1: they made a national championship game to sustain that success.

598
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Speaker 1: Short of that, I mean, Virginia Tech was never a sexy, elite,

599
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: blue chip school, but they built on that success. And

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Speaker 1: anything short of that, I don't know what you can do.

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Speaker 1: You can't change geography, you can't change the culture in

602
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Speaker 1: your region. You can't change much.

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Speaker 3: I think that who do you think is the most

604
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: exciting college football player in the last ten years to watch?

605
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: That's ten years, so post Cam Newton, so something some

606
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: Heisman winning quarterback. I guess Johnny Manziel, Kyler Baker. I'm

607
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: trying to think.

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Speaker 3: I think that it's a very clear answer in my opinion,

609
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Speaker 3: and I don't think exactly what. Yeah, but I think

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Speaker 3: it's Lamar Jackson, sure, and Louisville is what it is.

611
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: And it's just like the thing that's so interesting to

612
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 3: me is that the haves and have nots of this

613
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: sport are so intimately related to the geography. It's like

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Speaker 3: Oregon State is one of the worst programs in college

615
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 3: football because they are located in the middle of nowhere

616
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Speaker 3: and can't recruit the way they need to recruit to

617
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Speaker 3: get there now. There are certain transcendent schools that, like

618
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Speaker 3: Oregon conquered the Nike uniforms, cool offense thing and they

619
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: did what they need. It's electricity, Yeah, electricity. It's a

620
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: really great way to put it. But it's funny when

621
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Speaker 3: you look at the six schools that got all those players,

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Speaker 3: none of them are really in a place like La

623
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Speaker 3: or a place. The only one is Georgia, which is

624
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Speaker 3: close to Atlanta for high school talent. But Tuscaloosa, I mean,

625
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 3: Alabama's got their players, but it's nothing like Texas or Florida.

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Speaker 3: You look at Clemson South Carolina, I mean, is that Clemson.

627
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Speaker 1: Or is that Dabo?

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Speaker 3: It's probably dabboh Columbus, Ohio is a nice city. I

629
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Speaker 3: lived there for ten years, but it's not a hotbed

630
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Speaker 3: of elite level talent. There are great players that come

631
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Speaker 3: in and out of Ohio every year, but a lot

632
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Speaker 3: of the blue blood programs that are in this position

633
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: right now aren't like sitting on top of five or

634
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Speaker 3: seven top one hundred players every single year.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of these schools have.

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Speaker 3: Unique recruiting advantages, like Ohio State and LSU are the

637
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Speaker 3: only Power five schools in a very talent rich state,

638
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: and those kids that grow up in those states want

639
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: to play at those schools. So you know, there are

640
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: certain recruiting advantages for these programs. But the hardest thing

641
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: to do is to go from, like I said, the

642
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: fifteenth best team or the top twenty team into a

643
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: top five situation. I think you can go from fifty

644
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: to fifteen easier than you can go from.

645
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Speaker 1: Seven to four.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know what the answer is, and it's

647
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: just you do You just hope you find the light

648
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: I would just argue that you could find the lightning

649
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: in the bottle coach like as Dabo, I think Dabo

650
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: is a genius. Like there's nobody who's been able to

651
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 3: take a solid program and turn it into one of

652
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: the perennial powerhouses the way that he has, right, and

653
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: there's certain levels of genius like Pat Fitzgerald I think

654
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: is a coaching genius for what he's been able to

655
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 3: do at Northwestern. But like even those lightning and a

656
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: bottle type players like Michael Vick and Lamar Jackson and

657
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: some of the guys who won the Heisman these schools,

658
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: after they have the excitement and the really good years

659
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: that result of having these talents kind of dip back

660
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: into what they were before as time goes on. So

661
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: how do you make UCLA in the marketing department? When

662
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: I covered Ohio State for ten years, so at the

663
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: end of the ten or at the end of the

664
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 3: seventh year, and before I left the Cleveland Plain Dealer

665
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: to go to the Athletic, I wrote a story about

666
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: the expansion of their recruiting department. And I'm sure you

667
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: guys are aware of this, but they've got a ten

668
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: person recruiting staff that they're paying over a million dollars

669
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Speaker 3: a year to have. That's marketing, that's talent evaluation, that's

670
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 3: film breakdown, that's communication, that's visits. That is insane. And like,

671
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: some schools have different budgets for recruiting, so I think

672
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: you have to up the recruiting budget at some of

673
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: these places. But if you're not near talent, then you're

674
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: not near talent. And if you don't have the tradition,

675
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: you can't build the tradition. So how do you make

676
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: a Clemson into a Clemson? Like only one person has

677
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: been able to do that in the entire sport. How

678
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: many hot shot young coaches have there been over the years.

679
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: Tom Herman was one. Now he doesn't have a job.

680
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: Like it's over and over and over again. You see

681
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 3: these guys come and fail, and it's just like what

682
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 3: is in the sauce because Dabo and Nick Saban is

683
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: an alien of his own regard. But urban Meyer before

684
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Speaker 3: he left, there's only like five or six of these

685
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Speaker 3: guys that.

686
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Speaker 1: Can actually do it.

687
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: And the thing that I think too, and forgive me

688
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: if I'm rambling, but being all college football coach is

689
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: two jobs. It's being a good coach roster development and

690
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: putting players in a position to do the best that

691
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: they can from a coaching standpoint, and then there's recruiting.

692
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 3: And the problem is is that you don't have a

693
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Speaker 3: lot of coaches who are very elite at both, and

694
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Speaker 3: that's another challenge. But I just don't know exactly where

695
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: to begin. And sometimes I feel bad because the sport

696
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: would be more fun if you went into a year

697
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 3: where it's like, there's twenty seven teams that could win

698
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: a national title this year.

699
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Speaker 1: But the answer to that question is actually five. Ryan Day.

700
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Speaker 2: Ryan Day takes over for urban Meyer the early part

701
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: of his tenure as a head coach has been incredible.

702
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 2: He's had justin fields, but now Ohio State moves on

703
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: beyond fields as he goes pro One of the things

704
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: that Dan and I have talked about from time to

705
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: time in the past is taking over for a legend

706
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: very difficult spot to be in. Ryan Day thus far

707
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 2: has done really well. It doesn't seem as if there

708
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: are any signs of that slowing down.

709
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Speaker 1: But it is Ryan Day.

710
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Speaker 2: Does he belong in that same elite class of coaches

711
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Speaker 2: or is it too soon to say at this point.

712
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Speaker 3: Everything I learned about recruiting and all the things that

713
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: I spew off from you on the show and on

714
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: our shows, I learned from Urban Meyer. I mean, I

715
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: sat in that guy's press conferences and was around him

716
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: every day for seven years, and to me, despite his faults,

717
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: I think he's the most brilliant program builder that there is.

718
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Speaker 1: And I think even.

719
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Speaker 3: Towards the last three or four years of his tenure

720
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Speaker 3: at Ohio State, you can make the argument that he

721
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: wasn't as good of an AWE on the field, game

722
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Speaker 3: game coach or developmental coach, because I think Ohio State

723
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 3: and the same time, you could say is the most

724
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: underachieving program in college football for what they have on

725
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: their roster. So when you say what do you do

726
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 3: with Ryan Day, at a certain point, it has to

727
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 3: become Ryan Day's program. And so far he's lost two games,

728
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 3: He's been to the playoff twice, he beat Clemson once,

729
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: he went to the national championship game.

730
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Speaker 1: But I think he would.

731
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Speaker 3: You know, when you say it's really hard to take

732
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Speaker 3: over for a coach that's a legend, sometimes it's super

733
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 3: advantageous because urban Meyer handed the man the playbook that

734
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 3: he built. And it's like, would Ryan Day's results be

735
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 3: what they are right now if he took over for

736
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Speaker 3: tressel No, And like, that's the truth. He took over

737
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Speaker 3: for a guy that made Ohio State cool and then

738
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 3: he's been really great at maintaining its coolness. And if

739
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,479
Speaker 3: you talk to Ryan face to face, he's a great guy.

740
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 3: I could see why kids would want to play for him.

741
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 3: But he's already driving the Ferrari that somebody else built.

742
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 3: So would I put him in that category? Absolutely. I

743
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 3: think he's an elite coach and he's done a really

744
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: good job of putting his teams in a position to

745
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: win a national championship and their recruiting, believe it or not,

746
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 3: has actually been better during his tenure than they were

747
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: when Urban left. But I think that part of the

748
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: brilliance of being a college coach is the build and

749
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: I think that's what urban Meyer liked doing the most,

750
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: which is why he had short tenures at the places

751
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 3: that he did well part of the reason. And if

752
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 3: you don't build it, then I think there is a

753
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 3: certain element that's missing for me, which is the same

754
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: reason why as much as I love Lincoln Riley and

755
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 3: watching his offense is beautiful, he didn't build it. Maybe

756
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: he built it a little bit more than what it was,

757
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 3: but Dabo built that. I mean, he built that with

758
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Speaker 3: his hands, you know.

759
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Speaker 1: And to me, when you.

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Speaker 3: Start talking about the most elite coaches in college football,

761
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: I start with who built something and maintained it, and

762
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: then the second tier is who's done a really good

763
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 3: job of driving somebody else's car.

764
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Speaker 1: Now. If Ohio State is.

765
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 3: Still really really good in eight years, and I don't

766
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: see that they wouldn't be with the way that they're

767
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: recruiting right now, then that's a different discussion.

768
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

769
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: I think you need more than two years before you

770
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 3: start really trying to put Ryan Day in that same

771
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 3: breath as Dabbo, a coach that he just beat.

772
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Speaker 1: But I think it just takes time. Are there any

773
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: promising young mechanics or contractors anything like that to you

774
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: in terms of how construction has begun in earnest and

775
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, two, three, four, our years whatever into their tie.

776
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's that's how I would begin

777
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: with a coaching higher. You know, I would look and

778
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: I would put it in those terms. And I hate

779
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,479
Speaker 3: to be cliche, I really do, but I think Matt

780
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 3: Campbell is the answer to that question. And I don't

781
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 3: know if people are like, well, crap, why is he

782
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: like the golden child of the sport. It's like, guys,

783
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 3: I think that the two four seven composite talent rankings

784
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 3: are basically my bible.

785
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: And I look at them and I compare them. Yeah,

786
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: Iowa State.

787
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 3: Was like in the sixties last year and they almost

788
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: won the Big Twelve, And like, to me, when you

789
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 3: build a program, Iowa State is a solid program. They

790
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 3: haven't won their conference and they can't beat well, they

791
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: can be, but they haven't beaten Oklahoma or Texas when

792
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: it comes to winning the conference. They've beaten both of

793
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 3: those teams on the field, but they haven't won.

794
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: The conference yet.

795
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: But at a certain point, the hardest thing with being

796
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: a college coach, I think is identifying a plan, executing

797
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 3: that plan, and then proving that that plan works. And

798
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: I think that Iowa State has done that and I

799
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: don't know that it can be duplicated. And no other

800
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: coaching staff in America has evaluated talent at the high

801
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: school level better than Iowa State has. And they take

802
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 3: these under the radar players and they turn them into

803
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 3: really good football players. They found Brock Purty. You know,

804
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 3: they've got these guys on this roster that can make

805
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 3: them competitive with Oklahoma, and like that's not supposed to happen.

806
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: And you know Pat Fitzgerald has done that too, But

807
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 3: Pat Fitzgerald issically born on northwesterns football field, So to me,

808
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: I would go get a guy who took a place

809
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 3: that doesn't have advantageous geography. Has proven that he can

810
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 3: evaluate talent at an elite level and then develop that

811
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 3: talent into a team that has a lot of chemistry.

812
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 3: And that's how you build a program. And then when

813
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 3: you go and take it to where Iowa State is

814
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 3: now you recruit incrementally better, and as you recruit incrementally better,

815
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 3: you still have that evaluation skill and then you build something.

816
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 3: But the problem with architects or mechanics wherever we put

817
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 3: it is that once they get to a place like

818
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 3: at Iowa State, where they they do what they're doing,

819
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: they usually get plucked by Michigan or Oklahoma or one

820
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: of these teams, and then those teams have outrageous expectations

821
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: and don't have the patience to let them build the

822
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: car and then fire them before the car is done,

823
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: and then the next mechanic comes in and builds a

824
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Speaker 3: different car.

825
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: So I think that's part of the problem.

826
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Speaker 3: At like Tennessee, for instance, you might find the perfect coach,

827
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: but they don't give them time because they think they

828
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: should be Alabama and year three and that's.

829
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Speaker 1: Not the way it works.

830
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 3: And like Dabbo, how many years of debo did he

831
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: have seven before he started winning like at a high level.

832
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: And it's like in the modern day of college football,

833
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 3: they just don't get the opportunity to do that. And

834
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: it's about incremental change, incremental improvement over time, and it's

835
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: not something that can happen in three years and until

836
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: college football programs have the patience to endure what can

837
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 3: sometimes be painful for five, six, seven years to watch

838
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 3: that process play out. You keep changing the cook in

839
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 3: the kitchen, and then it keeps starting over from day one.

840
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: And that's why you see these laws that last ten,

841
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty years.

842
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: This has been a very logical approach to building a program,

843
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: Dan right, If you want any kind of continuity, have

844
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: some patience. Leave the guy in there who is doing

845
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: a good enough job for the time being, and see

846
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: what he can do.

847
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: If you want to.

848
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: Get better players, up your recruiting budget, I mean a

849
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: lot of it's straightforward, right, but it's.

850
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 3: Then don't spend all that buyout money. Instead of buying

851
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 3: out a coach that's not very good for thirty million

852
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: dollars in paying him not to coach, use that investment

853
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 3: to bolster your recruiting staff and bolster your facilities and

854
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: do things for your program in order to put itself

855
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 3: in a position to do that. And over time, if

856
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: you see improvements, you might take a step back, or

857
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: you might lose more games than you want to, but

858
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 3: you can see which teams are building something, and I

859
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: don't know if Iowa State will ever be a team

860
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: that can win the Big Twelve or win a national championship.

861
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: But if you take him, Iowa State could have been

862
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: one of the worst jobs in the Big Twelve. And

863
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 3: it's not because of what Matt Campbell's done. And if

864
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: you've shown an illustrated that you have an ability to

865
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: build a program, that's the number one bullet point on

866
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 3: anybody's resume. It's not even about wins and losses and

867
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: how much can you achieve with what you have as

868
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 3: resource and then extrapolating it based on what more resources

869
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 3: you'll get at your next stop, and in giving that

870
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: person time to.

871
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: Revel in it, you know, it's Pat Fitzgerald to a t.

872
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: It's all it is.

873
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: If you go look at all the schools that are

874
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 3: they have nots that have out punched their weight class

875
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: a lot of the I think probably eight out of

876
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: ten times, you'll find a coach that you know has

877
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: been there for a long time, has a solid pl

878
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 3: and has continued to follow.

879
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: Through on that plan.

880
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: I mean, if people think that you can like Nick

881
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 3: Saban is a robot genius sent from college football heaven

882
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: to rule the sport. There aren't a lot of those

883
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 3: guys out there, so you need to be patient and

884
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: if the goal a lot of I mean because too,

885
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: it's like every Power five conference, maybe outside of the

886
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: Pac twelve right now, has an unbeatable giant at the

887
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: end of the road. So it's like, if you're in

888
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 3: the Big Ten and you want to win the Big Ten,

889
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: you got to beat Ohio State. If you're in the ACC,

890
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 3: you got to beat Clemson. And it's like, look at

891
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 3: Mac Brown, for instance, this guy has kept North Carolina

892
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: kids home immediately, and it's like, I know he's getting

893
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 3: up there in age, but North Carolina still has a

894
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 3: Clemson ceiling, So like, no matter what he does, he's

895
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 3: still going to have to beat Clemson. And in the SEC,

896
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: you've got Georgia and Alabama and you got LSU. I mean,

897
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 3: there's three or four of them. So a lot of

898
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 3: the times we're using these architects or these mechanics for

899
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 3: building programs, but they keep running into the giant. And

900
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: I don't think it's rational to expect them to beat

901
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 3: the giant. I think it's rational to expect that they

902
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 3: illustrated they're able to build something so that when they

903
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 3: become a coach at one of those giants, they can

904
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 3: continue that success.

905
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's also the factor of I mean you've

906
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: mentioned basically all these things. What was the kill bill,

907
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: like five point pressure, assassin whatever thing at the end

908
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: of like, you need everything to click right. You need

909
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: the right coach, you need the right support, you need

910
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: the right money, you need the right geography, and you

911
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: need luck. You need your starting left tackle not to

912
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: break his tibbi right. You need to build depth, you

913
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: need buy in from boosters, you need the patient. Like

914
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: the thing that I'll never be able to sort of

915
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: overstate to me is every year Nick Saban's replacing his

916
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: entire staff. Every year. Nick Saban has Alabama Boosters in

917
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 1: a line. When he says jump, they say how high?

918
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: Because he is in charge rather than vice versa, which

919
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: we see at all sorts of powers across the sport.

920
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: And so to make these I mean, you talk about Dabbo,

921
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: but that doesn't come from a tradition power. He built

922
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: that in the modern way. But you go to a

923
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: place like Texas, it just seems impossible, It just seems

924
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: impossible to get that five what is it called. It's

925
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: called the pressure point. That's what is the five point

926
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: pressure point? Thing like the degree and the barrier to

927
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: entry into the playoff right now requires so many things

928
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: firing at once that I almost almost feel like we

929
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: should be reframing the appeal of the sport. I mean,

930
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: I've been pushing that on the show for a long time,

931
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: that the appeal of the sport isn't the top of

932
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: the sport. It's the totality, and it's the experience, and

933
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: it's the entertainment of the sport. But that's hard to

934
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: say because people watch the sport to see their team

935
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: win games. So it's easy for me to say because

936
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: I host a national show. But unless the mainstream sort

937
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: of broad fans become interested in Iowa, Wisconsin, become interested

938
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: in Florida, Tennessee, become interested in Texas A and m LSU,

939
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: even if there's no national championship on the line, it's

940
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be easier and easier for

941
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: people to just kind of check out and opt out

942
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: of college football unless we can reframe it in some

943
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 1: sort of like you know, the NFL is fantasy and gambling,

944
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: and the NBA has free agency and the draft, like

945
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 1: there's all these appeals to other sports that college football

946
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: is just never going to have. If you want to

947
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: get into recruiting, you have to be on message boards,

948
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: like if you want that experience, you have to be deeply,

949
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: deeply into it and listen to the solid verbal and

950
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: listen to Ari Wasserman's podcast and read his call like

951
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: there's a barrier to entry that's legitimately pretty high to

952
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: me as a fan.

953
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: Right, And then when you also think about how much,

954
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: like I know, it's like hard to think, but good

955
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: teams lose the bad ones all the time. You're constantly

956
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: walking a tight rope. So even when you build it

957
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: the right way, I mean, you're one call or one

958
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,959
Speaker 3: play away sometimes from the entire season being blown. Because

959
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: the beauty of college football is that you can lose

960
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 3: and it can ruin.

961
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: Everything, generally to Kansas State, Yeah, exactly, that's how it works,

962
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: or Purdue, you know, And it happens all the time.

963
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 3: And I don't really know because it's such a physical sport.

964
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: I don't sometimes when you see some of these upsets

965
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 3: of thirty point underdogs, I still don't know how it's

966
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: even physically possible.

967
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: But it happens all the time, and it is. And

968
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: the wild card is getting nineteen year olds to care cohesively.

969
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and noting too that, like recruiting and trends,

970
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 3: is the popularity of all that I think is increasing,

971
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 3: you know, And I don't know, And there certainly is

972
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: gambling in college football too, and recruiting is a huge

973
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 3: resource and how to view these games, but I don't know.

974
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 3: It takes a lot of energy to follow a class

975
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: because unlike NFL free agency, which is the span of

976
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 3: a few weeks, the entire talent accumulation phase of college

977
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: football is two four, seven, three, six, five. And now

978
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 3: you're adding the transfer portal into it, and you're adding

979
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: you know, potential eligibility waiver in lawsuits for immediate eligibia.

980
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: There's all sorts of crazy stuff on, like how do

981
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 3: you get a player in college football? Can happen in

982
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 3: like ten different ways, juco transfers right out of high school,

983
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 3: grad transfers instant. I mean, it's insane.

984
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: Australia, Yeah, yeah, Australia exactly. See, this is why I

985
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: like you.

986
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: You're funny and like watching. By the time you get

987
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 3: to eighty five, it is a world win of three

988
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty five days of craziness to get to

989
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 3: that eighty five. And then even when you get to

990
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 3: that eighty five, players leave and transfer and it's just insane.

991
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 3: But the thing that I love about college football is

992
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 3: that despite the fact that there are only a few

993
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 3: teams that can win a national championship, the passion across

994
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 3: the board for people and their teams ever is relentless.

995
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 3: It's unwavery it's wonderful. And if you go look at

996
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 3: a one of the teams that we think is one

997
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: of the worst fifteen jobs in the Power five, that

998
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: message board is popping. There's one in every place. And

999
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: the problem is is I just don't know. I just

1000
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 3: sometimes wonder too. And I went to Arizona and I

1001
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 3: don't I don't care about Arizona football at all, and

1002
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 3: cover up. Yeah, I covered it when I was working

1003
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: at the student newspaper. But sometimes I thought to myself,

1004
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 3: what's the point of being an Arizona football fan?

1005
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: Like, what is the point? Is the point to win the.

1006
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 3: Las Vegas bul Like is that what we're spending all

1007
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: this time and money, energy, thought process, message board payments,

1008
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 3: all the things that you need to be a passionate

1009
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 3: Arizona football fan for what reason to win seven games?

1010
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: It's like that to me is awful, like why would

1011
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 3: I want to do that? But at the same time,

1012
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 3: pride in the school and pride in the ability to

1013
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 3: potentially improve what you are and hope for improvement over

1014
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 3: time is what keeps people going. And the only way

1015
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: to improve over time isn't whether or not you win

1016
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 3: games on the field. It's whether or not you can

1017
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 3: win recruiting battles. And to me, the most intriguing and

1018
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 3: most interesting things that happen in the sport don't happen.

1019
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, Saturdays are amazing and that's the reason

1020
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: I wake.

1021
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: Up in the morning.

1022
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: But there are battles happening between Washington USC in Michigan

1023
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 3: right now and you can follow them, and those are

1024
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 3: the things that are determining whether or not your team

1025
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 3: has a chance. And to me, I think that's kind

1026
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 3: of fun. Because during the NFL offseason, you have free agency, you've.

1027
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: Got the NFL Draft. But people are insane about the

1028
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: NFL draft.

1029
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 3: Why Because the players on the team impact whether or

1030
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 3: not your team has a chance to win the Super Bowl.

1031
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 3: It's the same thing with It's the same thing with recruiting,

1032
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 3: except it's going on constantly. It's like I would say,

1033
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 3: crypto recruiting is the cryptocurrency of the stock market. It

1034
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 3: doesn't stock.

1035
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: Game stop is okay to answer your question because I've

1036
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: been to a game? Why be an Arizona football fan?

1037
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: If you're a college kid at Arizona, you can go

1038
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: to a gathering with a ton of attractive humans entering

1039
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: alcohol and then meet other attractive humans, and occasionally you'll

1040
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: beat a ranked UCLA and rush the field, or a

1041
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: ranked organ and rush the field. And even though it's

1042
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: known as a basketball school, there's also not a ton

1043
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: to do in Tucson. Yeah, football games are fun. That's

1044
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,959
Speaker 1: we lost that, and we talked about that this past year,

1045
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: Like I think Iowa State, Oklahoma had like a healthy

1046
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: amount of crowd in Jack Trice Stadium, and it felt

1047
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: very strange, even though it was the first season we

1048
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: haven't had that, Like a game in the desert. Even

1049
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: if Arizona's seven to five, eight and four, there's you

1050
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: could have lost the last game by twenty points. And

1051
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: so like, wow, look Willie Twatama's hitting. We've got Gronk,

1052
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: like there's always that that hope element, which is the

1053
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: selling point of college football and college football recruiting and

1054
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: Next Year and Phil Steel's magazine whatever. But as long

1055
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: as we talk about the sport not exclusively through the

1056
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: lens of the playoff, I think there's always going to

1057
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: be appeal.

1058
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know if like the expansion of

1059
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 3: the playoff is the answer to that question or if

1060
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 3: it's going to make it worse, because if you expand

1061
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 3: the playoff and.

1062
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: Then you still never get in, that makes it worse. Yeah.

1063
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 3: But like I was talking about, just being a fan

1064
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: that wants to listen to this podcast and and really

1065
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 3: consume the sports so that you can view it through

1066
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 3: an Arizona lens.

1067
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: So listen.

1068
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 3: I've been to Arizona football games in the Zona Zoo section,

1069
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 3: some of the best nights of my life. But if

1070
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 3: you look on the other side of the stadium, there's

1071
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: a bunch of older people who don't go to school there,

1072
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 3: who invest their money in their time and their thoughts

1073
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 3: and their message boards and go easy cats and all

1074
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 3: the things that used to be popular into like what

1075
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: is fueling your love and hunger to consume things when

1076
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 3: Arizona's class might have been the first Power five class

1077
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: in the history of recruiting rankings to not sign at

1078
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 3: least one Power five class, didn't sign one top one

1079
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 3: thousand player, and it's like when that doesn't happen, then

1080
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 3: like what are we doing?

1081
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: You know?

1082
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 3: So you know, I guess the thing is, well, fire

1083
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 3: a coach and try again, and then you hope the

1084
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 3: next coach is the right guy. And the one thing

1085
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 3: that's for certain about college football is there was a

1086
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 3: never ending supply of hope.

1087
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: You know, and that's that's what's fun.

1088
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 3: But at a certain time too, it's like when you're

1089
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 3: an Arizona fan and I was there during the Willie

1090
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 3: Tuweetama lived in my hall my freshman year, and it's

1091
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 3: like I remember a lot of things about that, but

1092
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 3: when when they were kicking people's butts and he was

1093
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 3: throwing the ball over the field like people were excited,

1094
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: it was fun. But even in a year like that,

1095
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 3: they still, especially if that year were to happen this year,

1096
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 3: zero percent chance of winning a national championship. And it's like,

1097
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 3: I think that takes it. I think that takes a

1098
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: little bit away, And it's like as fun as it

1099
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: was to watch BYU last year in Coastal Carolina and

1100
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 3: Cincinnati zero percent chance of winning a national championship and

1101
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 3: until that changes, there's going to be a problem. And

1102
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe it's just the beauty of the sport,

1103
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 3: but that's where we're.

1104
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: At right now with it.

1105
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I wonder about the playoff expansion

1106
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: as well, because I think I've been a fan of

1107
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: that since they announced that there was going to be

1108
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 2: a four team playoff. Why don't we go to eight?

1109
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: Why don't we go to sixteen? And like, there's definitely

1110
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: something to be gained if you are We'll use Iowa

1111
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: State as an example to say that, hey, we went

1112
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: to the playoff, come and play here. Maybe you can

1113
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: play at a playoff or in a playoff game too.

1114
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: I get that I can't see any scenario in which

1115
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 2: the same like three or four teams aren't still the

1116
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: ones left in the end.

1117
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: So it's a recruiting point. And fewer people watching the

1118
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: semis and championship game after Alabama just destroys Michigan by

1119
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: thirty one points in the quarterfinal, right, So what's the point.

1120
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: There's definitely something to be said for it as a

1121
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: selling point with recruiting, but at the end of the day,

1122
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 2: it's like, what matters. Is it winning that championship? Is

1123
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 2: it establishing yourself as a playoff team that you can

1124
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: take out on the road and then sell to some

1125
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 2: of these recruits who maybe you couldn't get in the

1126
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: door with before. I don't know the answer to that,

1127
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 2: but I'm definitely like, I'm still in favor of expanding

1128
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: the playoff. I just don't think it gets anywhere close

1129
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: to solving the parody problem other than making some teams

1130
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: feel good.

1131
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1132
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I look at college football as a very

1133
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 3: unique sport. Now maybe the NFL is like this too.

1134
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 3: But if you're an NBA fan, are you watching Utah

1135
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 3: Jazz play Sacramento on a Tuesday? Probably not. I mean,

1136
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 3: they're not a lot of casual fans. If you're a

1137
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 3: Major League Baseball fan, are you watching the Pirates in

1138
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 3: Red's three game series because it's baseball?

1139
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: No, you're not.

1140
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 3: Now, NFL, everybody's involved in gambling and fantasy everybody likes

1141
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 3: watching all the NFL games, But in college football, we

1142
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 3: all want to watch all of them. And I think

1143
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 3: that's really a unique thing. And what does the what

1144
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 3: does the college football playoff expansion do?

1145
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: Well?

1146
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 3: I think we all know what would have happened if

1147
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 3: Alabama played Coastal Carolina last year, but we all sure

1148
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 3: as hell would want to watch that, you know, And

1149
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 3: I think the idea or the hope of getting to

1150
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 3: see these matchups and then maybe certain things happening like

1151
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 3: it does nance WAA tournament changes the dynamic of the sport.

1152
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 3: I mean, getting on the same field like Coastal Carolina

1153
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: couldn't have done anything in the world to get on

1154
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 3: the same field as Alabama last year, right, And that

1155
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 3: sucks Cincinnati probably even more so than the smaller schools.

1156
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: I mean, they're in the sixth Power five conference.

1157
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 3: I mean, the AAC is really good, and they've got

1158
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 3: really good football teams. I think you could make the

1159
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 3: argument that Cincinnati was the third or second best team

1160
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 3: in the Big Ten last year and the fact that

1161
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 3: they weren't able to be included and potentially competing against

1162
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 3: those other teams sucks. It frankly sucks.

1163
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: Now. We all probably know what would have happened, but

1164
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: I'd rather see it. I would rather see it. I mean,

1165
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,439
Speaker 1: we did see Ohio State Cincinnati two years ago.

1166
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 3: But we also saw out Ohio State and the second

1167
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 3: most town the team in college football off their doors

1168
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 3: blown off. So like, I mean, if blowouts are the problem,

1169
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 3: then you used to find a different sport because they

1170
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: happened when the best teams are playing each other too,

1171
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 3: So like, I don't know if the final score of

1172
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 3: Alabama Coastal Carolina would have been sixty six to ten,

1173
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 3: And I guess you get to a certain point where

1174
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 3: that just sucks. But the idea of the hope of

1175
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 3: seeing something special I think would change. But I don't

1176
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 3: know if that would be the answer to how these

1177
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 3: teams can recruit better, Like recruiting better is the hardest

1178
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 3: thing to do in all of sports. I don't even

1179
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 3: know what the answer to these questions are. And people

1180
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 3: are like, well, what can my favorite team do to

1181
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: be better? Like I have male bag questions every week,

1182
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 3: and you have an Oregon State person say, what can Oregon.

1183
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: State do to be a team that competes in the

1184
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: Pac twelve?

1185
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 3: And even though they've done that in the recent past,

1186
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 3: the answer is I don't know, and that frankly sucks

1187
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 3: Like every other team and every other sport. You have

1188
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 3: a clear If you're a Buffalo Bills fan in two

1189
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 3: thousand and seven, what do you need to do? You

1190
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: need to analyze and draft the best quarterback with your

1191
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 3: draft positioning, you get these free agents at these positions

1192
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 3: of weakness, and you might be able to compete in

1193
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 3: college football. Sometimes the answer is you are what you are,

1194
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 3: and I think that sucks also, TJ.

1195
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: Huschmann Zada, Yes, that is the other as now. I

1196
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: think essentially what we're we're all dancing around the same

1197
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: thing is like, you just have to learn to love

1198
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: something that's imperfect. I think that's the key. My wife

1199
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: learned to do it. Tie's wife learn to do it.

1200
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to call you imperfect. But you

1201
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 1: now have a fiance Segue, Tyegg. That was very nice,

1202
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: better that we planned. It was better than we planned.

1203
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: You recently got engaged. I did you are in your

1204
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: early thirties? Yes, thirty three. I don't know if that's

1205
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: early early to already you've already passed my dad's mandate

1206
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: that he handed down to me when I was like

1207
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: ten years old, to not get married before you're thirty,

1208
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: which I think we all are going to accomplish and

1209
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: you got and you live in what you live in

1210
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: the Dallas Fort Worth metro area in Dallas. Yep, you

1211
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: live in Dallas just recently. How how is the engagement?

1212
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: How long have you been together? Did it all go smoothly?

1213
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: What went into everything? The people want to know?

1214
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I lived the best twenties that anybody can live.

1215
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 3: And I know that that sounds like I'm not trying

1216
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 3: to be a frat bro. But like, I traveled, I partied,

1217
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 3: I met girls, I gambled on sports, I went to Vegas.

1218
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: Like all the things that.

1219
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 3: Everybody wants to do in their twenties, I did. But

1220
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 3: as that was happening, and as I got into my

1221
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 3: upper twenties, all of my friends started following the natural

1222
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 3: progression of girlfriend engagement, move in together, buy a home, baby, wedding,

1223
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 3: all that stuff in that order, not that order, but

1224
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 3: wedding than baby at the end.

1225
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: Right.

1226
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 3: So for me, I met my fiance her name is Brittany,

1227
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 3: three years ago, and I met her through a mutual friend.

1228
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 3: But we had long distance relationship because we really liked you.

1229
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 3: I don't know how I convince her to like me,

1230
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 3: but we really liked each other. And because I'm a

1231
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 3: college football writer and she is in the commercial real

1232
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 3: estate industry, she's traveling a ton. I'm traveling a ton.

1233
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 3: We made it work and we saw each other. A

1234
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 3: ton and a psychopath.

1235
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: He will drive anywhere at any point, no matter how

1236
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: long the way it is. But then I'm moved. I

1237
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: like Ari Wasserman, I just like I drove.

1238
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 3: I one time drove from Columbus, Ohio to Fort Lauderdale,

1239
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 3: Florida for one night.

1240
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: Like was it for a woman? This was for Britt. Yeah,

1241
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: she was down in Okay and making sure. Yeah, good answer.

1242
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: Yeah that was a really far drive. I didn't know

1243
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: if you just were playing Hyla, I don't know.

1244
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 3: No, No, I've driven five I've driven three hours for

1245
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 3: lunch and seven for casinos.

1246
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: Like we all done that.

1247
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 3: But I will do that and I made that work.

1248
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 3: But so I moved to Texas for her.

1249
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: You know, I used.

1250
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 3: My situation at the athletic and I said, hey, I

1251
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:17,959
Speaker 3: want to be a national writer.

1252
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: I want to do these things.

1253
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 3: I think it'll work. Texas is a wonderful place for

1254
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 3: a football writer to live because of all the talent,

1255
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 3: and it's centrally located, they allowed.

1256
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: Me to move.

1257
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 3: So then I moved in July, right in the heart

1258
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 3: of the pandemic, with a person I had only been

1259
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 3: seeing long distance in their house. So that was like

1260
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 3: an adjustment because I'm a dude and I've never lived

1261
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 3: with a girl. So like doing the dishes and unloading

1262
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 3: the dishwasher, I'm taking out the trash and doing all

1263
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 3: the things proactively that I wouldn't do at home, you know,

1264
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 3: was a challenge. But then now we have an engagement,

1265
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 3: we're trying to buy a house, we're probably going to

1266
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 3: be trying to have a baby soon. All the things

1267
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 3: that are happening for people in a progression have all

1268
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 3: happened to me within one calendar year where I'm not

1269
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 3: allowed to go and put wow.

1270
00:59:58,400 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: So it's been great.

1271
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 3: I'm excited, but it's also been like, holy crap, I

1272
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 3: can't believe what my life was thirteen months ago and

1273
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 3: what it is now.

1274
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: So I'm really excited, and I surprised her.

1275
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 3: I invited all of her friends from all over the

1276
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 3: country to come and go into a private room at

1277
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 3: a restaurant.

1278
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: I proposed to her haphazardly, like in the kitchen.

1279
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 3: She's like are you really doing this right now? Because

1280
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 3: she had her hand in like baking powder, and I

1281
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 3: just said I had to do it because I've never

1282
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 3: been able to keep a secret for her for more

1283
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 3: than five minutes. And I kept this whole thing for

1284
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 3: a month. And if I said let's go to dinner here,

1285
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 3: or let's go on a walk here, or she would

1286
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 3: have immediately known. And then we walked into this room

1287
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 3: and my parents and her mom and all of her

1288
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 3: friends and everybody was in this room and she had

1289
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 3: no idea.

1290
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: So it was great.

1291
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 3: It's been a weiral, real crazy weekend. My parents just

1292
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 3: left and I guess I'm an adult now.

1293
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: Congratulation. Well, she said yes, she said yes, She said yes.

1294
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: Did you Nicole Auerback told me you traveled to another

1295
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: state for the ring? Is that true? Yes? I did

1296
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: you know? Did you did you know her style? Did

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Speaker 1: you know her size? Because that was something I knew beforehand?

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Speaker 1: I think ty Unit did. Yeah. Yeah, No, I knew

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Speaker 1: all those things.

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Speaker 3: It seems import Yeah, I mean she threw it wasn't direct,

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01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 3: but through months of accumulated ideas, I think I got

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01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 3: the idea, but I didn't draw. I didn't go to

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Speaker 3: Florida to buy the ring because it was a special ring.

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Speaker 3: I bought that thing two miles away from my house.

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Speaker 1: I found that there was.

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Speaker 3: A tax situation where I send if you send the

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Speaker 3: ring to Florida and pick it up in Florida, then

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Speaker 3: you don't have to pay state tax or state sales

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Speaker 3: tax in Florida or Texas. So my best friend's father

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Speaker 3: lives in Boca Ratone, I I sent it to him.

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Speaker 3: I told Britt I was going on a business trip,

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Speaker 3: and I went to the Hollywood Casino for a night

1313
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 3: and enjoyed myself out in Florida, took the tarp off

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Speaker 3: by the beach, picked up this ring and brought it home.

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Speaker 3: Nine percent is a lot of money when you're buying

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Speaker 3: an engagement ring. So like in with Corona, the flights

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01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 3: were one hundred and three dollars round trip. I have

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Speaker 3: Marriott points. It was axpense, and I won a few

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01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 3: thousand bucks at the casino, which offset, so I saved

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Speaker 3: money on taxes. And then I won money at the

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Speaker 3: casino and you pay alone, and I paid, and I

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Speaker 3: and that and that's how I got the ring.

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Speaker 1: What's here? What do you play? What's your game?

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Speaker 3: I like poker because it's the one game that I

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01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 3: feel like I have control over.

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Speaker 1: Huh, I can't. I love blackjack and craps and.

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Speaker 3: All the games that everybody likes playing, but Poker I

1328
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 3: can use some sort of ability and or maybe limited ability.

1329
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 3: But I feel like I know how to play really well,

1330
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 3: and I grew up during the party poker era and

1331
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 3: now everybody's good. But I really enjoy that game because,

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01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 3: like I have the patience to sit there and fold

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Speaker 3: until I feel like I have a hand. I want

1334
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 3: to play, and I know my spots, and for the

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Speaker 3: most part, I think I do pretty good at it.

1336
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 3: If you play blackjack, you can't control if the five ranch.

1337
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 3: I mean, it just you play by the book and

1338
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 3: you lose. It's just it's not as fun to me,

1339
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 3: at least when I'm alone.

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Speaker 1: What's you were down a ton of weight? By the way,

1341
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: when we did the show, how's that going? How's that?

1342
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Speaker 1: I'm still not there? Okay.

1343
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 3: I think I've lost probably twenty five or twenty more

1344
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 3: since January. Total grand total is like one hundred and

1345
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 3: three or something. So that's so great. But like here's

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01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 3: the thing too. I wanted to say, like I don't

1347
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 3: think I'm I'm like, I think I'm marginally attractive, And

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Speaker 3: every single person I was just saying, yeah, I know,

1349
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Speaker 3: and every single person on Twitter because I made the

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01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 3: mistake of tweeting our picture and there's some pretty vulgar

1351
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 3: responses and really mean spirited responses. But everybody said, bro,

1352
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 3: you have kicked your coverage right, And I thought to myself, like,

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01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 3: that's nice, Like are we complimenting brit or are we

1354
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 3: insulting me in that?

1355
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Speaker 1: Like?

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01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 3: How many of those do you get before you are

1357
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 3: quite expensive? It's like, because I didn't know how to

1358
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 3: feel about it, I was like.

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you my reaction when I saw the picture?

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Speaker 1: You posted the picture, and my reaction was and I

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Speaker 1: think it's now your profile testure. My reaction to the

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Speaker 1: two of you are like, first, what a great looking couple.

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Speaker 1: And two someday and Ty, if you want to bring

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Speaker 1: up the picture and take a look, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you have it in front of you. Someday they

1366
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: are going to have almost like a Bob Diaco level

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Speaker 1: kid hair wise, two incredible heads of hair.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she has an incredible head of hair. Everybody who

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Speaker 3: says best hair couple ever, and that's the one thing

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Speaker 3: God gave me, you know, I it's everybody. Everybody gets something,

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Speaker 3: and I got a good head of hair. But you know,

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Speaker 3: it was a wonderful weekend. And aside from some of

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01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 3: the terrible things people say on Twitter, which I've learned

1374
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Speaker 3: to no longer pay attention to.

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Speaker 1: I've got no complaints in the world.

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Speaker 3: So now we've got a plan a wedding, and we

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Speaker 3: are currently in a position of potentially putting an offering

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Speaker 3: on a house, like as we speak. There's a lot

1379
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Speaker 3: of stuff happening all at once right now. But I

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Speaker 3: got to say, I'm truly blessed. And you know, one

1381
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 3: of the things that made this week such a blessing

1382
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Speaker 3: is I got to come on the show.

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Speaker 1: You know, let's not forget that you any you will

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Speaker 1: give birth ari to a hair hero.

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Speaker 2: You see the picture. I've seen it now, I hadn't

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01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 2: seen it before. Congratulations. Yeah, you will give straight out.

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Speaker 1: Of the womb. That child will have a luscious news

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Speaker 1: head of hair.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and her mother is a hairdresser and like does

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Speaker 3: a really good job of come on, you know, Volumizing,

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Speaker 3: I think is the word that the women like to use,

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01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 3: and I get the volumizing and I use volumizing hair

1393
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 3: despite having the thickest hair on earth, just because I

1394
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 3: don't ever want my one trait that I don't have

1395
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 3: to like genetically battle to go away. So you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to the gym every day. Proposal picture was

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01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 3: great for what it was, but still not happy with

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Speaker 3: the final result. But when we finally get to the wedding,

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Speaker 3: I hope that by then people are going to be like,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, you totally.

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01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: Kicked off your coverage perfectly. This is this is a

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Speaker 1: wedding podcast masquerading as a college football. Yeah, that's what.

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01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: As the date gets closer, we will have you back

1404
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: on to just itemize and just have you know, do

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01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: we need that few number of high top tables maybe

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01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: mark table.

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Speaker 2: Chavari chairs, we do an ice skull.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, time to stay wedding with your pizza. I would

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01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: love to. I could do late night. I don't have

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Speaker 1: a pizza oven. I just have a standard oven. But

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Speaker 1: there are options in Dallas for me to do a

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Speaker 1: pop up. Maybe we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, and I'm sure you're probably

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01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 3: trying to wrap this thing up and I have a

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01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 3: hard time.

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Speaker 1: That's hie. If you have any pizza questions, I'm here too,

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01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: And if you have any questions about I mean, if

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Speaker 1: one of the next steps is having kids. Ty has

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Speaker 1: a webinar on that processend me a link. It's so

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01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: detailed Number one, how to do it, and then we'll

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01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: probably more vulgar than you're expecting from Ty. Yeah, like

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01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: he could have toned it down in certain spots. The

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01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: chapter four is a doozy. Yeah, well, I need some help, guys.

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01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm about as far away. Listen, man, I talk about

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01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: college football for a living. Yeah, it's like, how juvenile

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01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: can that be? Just out of the gate.

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Speaker 3: And then I was living in Ohio in a bachelor

1428
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 3: pad and you know, just kind of doing my own thing.

1429
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: And now we've got a blind.

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01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 3: Dog who I've heard you you probably heard barking intermittently

1431
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 3: throughout the and you know, potentially having a child here

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01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 3: in the near future and all the things that come

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Speaker 3: along with adulthood. And you know, I couldn't be happier.

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01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 3: But the one thing, there's no buddy that has been

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01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 3: a bigger fan than me about this pizza, Like I

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01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 3: tweeted you, Yeah, I feel like I got to stop

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01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 3: because I'm like, this guy is getting sicky.

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Speaker 1: By all means, it's it's very rewarding and complimentary, have

1439
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: a very specific pizza taste. There are a few places

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Speaker 1: that I think really hit. I think, for the most part,

1441
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: where did you grow up? I grew up in Phoenix, Arizona.

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Speaker 1: You grew up in Phoenix, which is a pretty good

1443
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: pizza tow. It is a great pizza town.

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01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 3: It's a great food town because everybody is from somewhere

1445
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 3: else and they bring their food with them. Yes, And

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01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 3: it's the only place where you can get a great

1447
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 3: New York slice, a great Chicago slice. And you know,

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01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 3: I know that like Saint Louis and Detroit have their

1449
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 3: own styles now and I saw you.

1450
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: Did a Detroit one. Yeah, don't worry about Saint Louis.

1451
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: They use garbage. I really like it. I have him

1452
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: into emos. I've just I've had Provel cheese and I

1453
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: was not a fan. But I know that that's very controversial.

1454
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: But the thing that I know, much like a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of businesses, the pizza industry is dominated by mediocrity. It

1456
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 3: really is. And there are so many pizza places and

1457
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 3: a lot of them are just fine and bad pizza

1458
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 3: is still pizza. So we eat it, and we eat

1459
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 3: it because it's card filled. But there really isn't for

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01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 3: as much pizza as I've eaten in order to get

1461
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 3: to the fattest I've ever been. It's quite staggering, and

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01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 3: I can't tell you. I'd probably say maybe five percent

1463
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 3: of the time I sat down and said, Wow, this

1464
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 3: is really delicious.

1465
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: And you have which pizzaia is stand out to you?

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01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: So you've traveled.

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Speaker 3: If we're talking about Phoenix, there's a place in Spinatos

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01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 3: are called Spinatos in Phoenix who that I think is unbelievable,

1469
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 3: and it's high quality toppings. They've got great sausage, great pepperoni,

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01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 3: and they have sweet sauce. And I don't know why,

1471
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 3: but I've always been partial to sweet sauce. But God,

1472
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 3: but I also have come to find out too that

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01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 3: the eye test is probably more telling for pizza than

1474
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 3: any other food category. And when I look at yours,

1475
01:08:54,920 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 3: it looks like perfect. It's really perfect, And I know

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01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 3: for a fact that it's delicious because the elements that

1477
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,879
Speaker 3: what make pizza delicious are all in place in your pie.

1478
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: And I don't know what needs to happen.

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01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 3: But if that was the pizza that you were spitting

1480
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 3: out all day, every day to customers, I think you

1481
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 3: would have a very successful business because I think people

1482
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 3: are willing to pay.

1483
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: For good pizza. Everybody buys CRS. People are willing to

1484
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: pay for good pizza. So the problem with pizza, though,

1485
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 1: the problem pizza has is people associated with like, oh,

1486
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: drunk order a pizza. Oh it's Friday night, I don't

1487
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: want to cook. Let just grab you know, pizza from

1488
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: the local place. It's a very casual food that can

1489
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: be done really well, but there's just a certain social

1490
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: element of like, okay, pizza, is this stand in for

1491
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: cooking yourself or for you know, you're having a game,

1492
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: just get a bunch of pizzas it's a volume thing

1493
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. I think a lot of

1494
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 1: pizza places cut corners in terms of their ingredients and

1495
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: their process whatever. It's same day though, instead of letting

1496
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: it ferment for a day or two. It's you know,

1497
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: the cheaper cheese that burns too easily, or it's the

1498
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 1: cheapest pepperonis that don't cup or whatever. So I get it.

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01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,759
Speaker 1: If you're selling a bunch of pizzas. Why change anything?

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01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: But I think especially now that I live in the

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01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: Burbs and there's pretty decent pizza where I am. But

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01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, I was in New York, I was in

1503
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 1: Brooklyn for eight years. I eat a lot of mediocre

1504
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 1: pizza in the supposed pizza capital of America. So I

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01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 1: your point is well taken. I think I need to

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01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: cook for you, is what I'm saying. Yeah, because I'm

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Speaker 1: on at least three pizza message boards in which people

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01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: are sharing tips about like protein percentage and flour and hydrated.

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01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 3: You're tweeting about these things. It's so far over my head.

1510
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: But you know what. I don't mean to interrupt you,

1511
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: but there is.

1512
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 3: Something that used to happen in Las Vegas that I

1513
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 3: don't know if it happens anymore.

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01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: Especially have you been to Tony G's. That's the big

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01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 1: guy there right in Vegas. I don't know that I've

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01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: ever eaten there. Tony Gess.

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01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Vegas has a pizza convention, and I heard

1518
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 3: that it's like fifty bucks to get in in all

1519
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 3: the major vendors and pizza places all over the country

1520
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 3: comes up and you can eat everybody's pizza and like,

1521
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 3: I want to go there with you.

1522
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: I have been invited by a couple of different people

1523
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: to go to the Pizza expell. They do one in

1524
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: Atlantic City and they do one in Vegas. I know

1525
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: a couple of people that are in the pizza industry

1526
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: and they've they've both invited me that I could get

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01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: a pass. So as soon as I can and as

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01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: soon as my wife allows me to leave our two

1529
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: young children to go to a pizza convention in the desert. Well,

1530
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: we'll meet there and we'll eat. We'll drive them from

1531
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: the time. I mean, I would love to drive there too.

1532
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: There's a certain fantasy you have about sitting in a

1533
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 1: car alone once you have a two year old New.

1534
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 3: Bars Austin college football podcast like this.

1535
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think they'd leave.

1536
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 3: I would leave journalism. I think if I had a

1537
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 3: business plan that I think you could, like, I mean,

1538
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 3: and I'm not even joking.

1539
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: Like like, no, I'm not joking.

1540
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 3: Any thought that having a real pizza place, a place

1541
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 3: that spits out really good pie over and over again,

1542
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 3: and even if it's twenty bucks a pizza, which is

1543
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 3: a lot of money to some people. I arp spinados.

1544
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 3: If you're ever in Phoenix. You got to try this place,

1545
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 3: and it's cutting.

1546
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 1: I've been to Bianco. I actually use the the Bianco

1547
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: DiNapoli tomatoes in my post on Bianco I Love. I

1548
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 1: haven't been to Pizzeria Bianco in quite some time, in

1549
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: probably eight years since I last went to. It was

1550
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: either a National Championship or a super Bowl there. But

1551
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:22,480
Speaker 1: I thought it was delicious. I thought it was fantastic.

1552
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: That's that's a style that I really really like. I

1553
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: know he's also making New York style pies occasionally, like

1554
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: eighteen inch big pies there. I thought it was phenomenal.

1555
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,560
Speaker 1: I also shot a video with it, right with like

1556
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: lettuce or I mean root uh. I think he has

1557
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: Neapolitan like some of the more like esoteric type pies,

1558
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 1: but you can get a fantastic just like soaprasada pie

1559
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: or like shaved garlic and sausage if you like. He

1560
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: does a lot of really straightforward excellence. Yeah, so he's

1561
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: one of my favorite pies. I have places in New

1562
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: York I love. I have places in the Chicago Chicagoland area.

1563
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: I love LA. I have plays like you can get

1564
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: real you can get excellent pizza wherever. It's just more

1565
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: difficult to search them out some places. Yeah.

1566
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, and it just when you when you

1567
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 3: know it's good, you know, like immediately when when this.

1568
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: Is top notch stuff here we're talking about, you know, and.

1569
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 3: I know people get kind of passionate about the triangles

1570
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 3: and the shape and the density and the house and

1571
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 3: I like thin maybe not cracker, but like thin square

1572
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 3: cut pizza that's high quality with nice sausage, nice pepperoni,

1573
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 3: and sweet sauce.

1574
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: And it's just like a hard thing to find, it

1575
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: really is. Yeah, I mean there's I'm sure there are

1576
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: really good places in Dallas. Unfortunately, right now I'm on

1577
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 1: a on a short Oh well you're yr yeah yeah, okay,

1578
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: so you're you're losing poundage. But at some point when

1579
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: you have some sort of cheat meal, I'm sure there

1580
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: are options. Yeah, I am. Yeah. I this is my

1581
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: recommendation for everything. And this is the way Tie is

1582
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: specifically with podcasting, and everybody should be with something like

1583
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: you should be deeply nerdy about something that has nothing

1584
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: to do with your work, like that has nothing to

1585
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: do with your day job. And for me, it's pizza

1586
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: just because you know, you're literally getting your hands dirty

1587
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: and you're experimenting and it's delicious even when you kind

1588
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: of screw up. And so I people pay me for

1589
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: my pies. Now friends and family refuse to accept them

1590
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: because they're at a high enough level I think. I

1591
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: don't think they're doing it just because they like me,

1592
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: And so I don't know what the next step is,

1593
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: but I am making things sort of behind the scenes

1594
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: right before.

1595
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 3: Because I'm happy before you let me go. Last question, Yeah,

1596
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 3: and ty, I love you, buddy.

1597
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I just got tigest pizza thoughts. Okay, I

1598
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: don't mean to like box y. Yeah, no, you're please

1599
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:37,719
Speaker 1: get we invited you on please?

1600
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just is the plan one day to open

1601
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 3: a spot? Like would that be a dream?

1602
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: Hobby? Is this? Is this a goal?

1603
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 3: Like?

1604
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 1: Where are we at with this? We are this?

1605
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 2: We're using this for our pizza startup podcast to be

1606
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,560
Speaker 2: named and to be slotted.

1607
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: So solid verbal pizza, it's a option. I mean, I

1608
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: still like my Valley Circle pizza name. It's easy to spell.

1609
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: It's the But the problem is, I know how difficult

1610
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: and taxing working and starting a restaurant. I mean, pizza

1611
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: is okay, just because it's year round, and the ingredients

1612
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 1: aren't terribly expensive. You know, flowers not expensive, Tomatoes and

1613
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: cheese aren't terribly expensive. I know prices fluctuate, but maybe

1614
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,839
Speaker 1: I think, do you know who Joe Bidia is? I do?

1615
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 1: Does that name? Okay? So his place in Philly where

1616
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: his older place. He made forty pis a night and

1617
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,799
Speaker 1: that was it because he wanted full control over everything,

1618
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 1: and people seem to really like it. And he did

1619
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: his thing and he got recognition. He made some cash.

1620
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 1: That to me is interesting. But I'm I'm really trying

1621
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: to take this incrementally. I don't want to just rent

1622
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 1: a shop next week, Like I really need to get

1623
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 1: my formula down. I really want to sort of make

1624
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 1: initially sort of content out of it. Because I get

1625
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: I get a ton of messages like what's your dough recipe?

1626
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: Can you give me your step by step process? And

1627
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: like and don't be difficult to do on that's litter No, okay,

1628
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: I mean not for free? Not for free?

1629
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I mean, yeah, this is something that I

1630
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 3: mean you don't give away or see I mean, right,

1631
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 3: I wonder, honestly, if you think about every pizza restaurant

1632
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 3: that's ever been built or opened. How many people spend

1633
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 3: time like figuring out the levels of how much whatever

1634
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 3: protein or whatever it is?

1635
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 1: Well, like, even if you knew Spinado's recipe, are you

1636
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 1: making it at home? Are you are you buying a

1637
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: pizza oven, are you mixing the flour? Are you experimenting

1638
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: with fermentation times? Exactly? You tracking down the Spinado's cheese

1639
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,719
Speaker 1: and tomato vendor to people like.

1640
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 3: Own restaurants worry about those things, like do they come

1641
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 3: up with the perfect recipe, the perfect pie and go,

1642
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 3: this is my gift to the world, or is it

1643
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 3: just what We'll throw some pizzas together and hope that

1644
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 3: people buy them.

1645
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: Because No, I just don't think people care about giving

1646
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,839
Speaker 1: out the recipe just because it's such a labor intensive,

1647
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: specific thing that they know that. Yeah, sure, maybe a competitor,

1648
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: but like if you are the originator and you have

1649
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 1: the reputation for your pies, I don't think it's a

1650
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: huge deal to give out. Maybe you charge, maybe you

1651
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: write a cookbook, maybe you do a video thing. I

1652
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: just don't think that people on the owe.

1653
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 3: A lot of these restaurants put as much effort into

1654
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 3: perfecting the recipe the way that you have, which means

1655
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 3: that pizza would be h quality and worth paying top

1656
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 3: dollar for.

1657
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. I mean I have this specific vision.

1658
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: I tweeted it out a while ago. Or just like

1659
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 1: I just want a couple of arcade machines and the

1660
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: red coat cups, like I don't want to like. I

1661
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: think places get bogged out when they're like, oh, we

1662
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: do wings, we do chicken parm sandwiches, we do sALS

1663
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: like no.

1664
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 3: My father young age, if pizza restaurant serves other things

1665
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 3: that aren't pizza, it's it's trash. And maybe not wings

1666
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 3: because wings kind of go with it. But if you

1667
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 3: can get a Philly cheese steak at the place that

1668
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:27,799
Speaker 3: serves pizza, I never ordered the pizza at that place.

1669
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. The best pizza in Brooklyn is this place. To me,

1670
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: that's it's called Lukali. They make pizza and they make

1671
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 1: col zones, which is just folded pizza. Yeah, and I

1672
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 1: don't know what it is.

1673
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 3: But as I get older, I'm starting to gravitate more

1674
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 3: to just cheese pizza. I used to I love my pepperoni,

1675
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 3: I love my sausage. Everybody does. But as I grow older,

1676
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 3: I feel like I just want cheese, which is weird

1677
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 3: that the key is and this is the ultimate move,

1678
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 3: Like you go to a place with three or four

1679
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 3: people and you get three or four pies, and oh

1680
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 3: we do in normal times when we go with you know,

1681
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 3: when Jody and I go with another couple, is you

1682
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 3: have a draft. You have a draft at the table.

1683
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 3: That way everybody is insured to get what they want.

1684
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 3: Like it's not like, should we get a cheese, a

1685
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 3: pepperoni and a Vesu're like no, Let's go around the

1686
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 3: table and you select which one you want to be

1687
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 3: represented at your table. That's key, so you may get

1688
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 3: your cheese pie. Feeling is mutual. Oh man, So I

1689
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 3: really enjoyed this, and I'm it's a personal Uh. I'm

1690
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 3: just flattered a personal goal has been achieved. And I

1691
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 3: also hope that talking more intently and more more passionately

1692
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 3: about your pizza has to be than my engagement has

1693
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 3: a representation of who I am as a person.

1694
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 1: Are you getting married this year?

1695
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 3: Next?

1696
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 1: Probably next year? And we have a well going on

1697
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: between them, but you know that's a promise. I'm going

1698
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: to take you up on it. The Wasserman Wedding two

1699
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: K two two K two two K two two podcast.

1700
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a whole like limited run series. Tie it

1701
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,799
Speaker 1: could be. Maybe we maybe it's our version of startup.

1702
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: We know people, we can make that work. Love awesome, all.

1703
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 2: Right, Ari Wasserman again, he's from the Athletic. Go and

1704
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 2: read him today. Follow him on Twitter. Where else are you?

1705
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 1: Ari? Just Twitter?

1706
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 3: Just Twitter, Yeah, and the Athletic. If you want to

1707
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 3: go right to it, just just come to the Athletic.

1708
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 3: I don't need Twitter followers.

1709
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 2: Go find Ari. Read this stuff. We will have you

1710
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 2: on again soon.

1711
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: Mister Wasserman, thanks so much for your time.

1712
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me, guys, I really appreciate

1713
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 3: it. It was great, all right, Dan, Ari Wasserman the Athletic.

1714
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:28,480
Speaker 3: Check him out.

1715
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: Big fan of your pizza, huh? I guess. I mean

1716
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: I hope it tastes is good to people who have

1717
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 1: eaten it. Then it looks to some people, I guess,

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01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: because people seem to like looking at it. But I

1719
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 1: could honestly like, I don't know. I don't have a

1720
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: pizza friend a pizza. What is azza? I don't know.

1721
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure out what that is. But

1722
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: I don't have somebody in my life personally that I

1723
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 1: could bounce like sixty versus sixty five percent hydration advantages

1724
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 1: disadvantages with or topping supply, Like I don't have that

1725
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 1: person already loves pizza clearly, but he's not that person

1726
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:06,480
Speaker 1: right well, talking.

1727
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 2: About we're talking about the George Costanza mentor protege relationship.

1728
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: But for PRATSA, Yeah, I don't even know if I

1729
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 1: need a protege, if I need a mentor. I just

1730
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 1: like you know, when like at your day job where

1731
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 1: you're like kidnapping, terrors and all that kind of stuff

1732
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,839
Speaker 1: that you do, like you have people to bounce ideas

1733
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 1: off of. But like I'm sort of a rock. I'm

1734
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: a man on an island, and I rely on message

1735
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: boards and rely on people and people's experiences. There's, by

1736
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 1: the way, there was there's a lady who used to

1737
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: cook in there was like a market in Amish country.

1738
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm talking about? I sent her

1739
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: a link. Her name is Norma, and she's an older woman.

1740
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:51,679
Speaker 1: She won this like incredible pizza contest a few years ago,

1741
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: like in the New York division with the New York

1742
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:57,600
Speaker 1: Style Division, and she posts like she's definitely like an

1743
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 1: older lady and she posts these incredible pies and I've

1744
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: never communicated with her, but I was like, ma'am, it'd

1745
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 1: be pretty nice to hang with Norma and just talk shop.

1746
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: But she's an actual successful pizzaiolo, whereas I only find

1747
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,919
Speaker 1: where this market is. Is that the word pizzai Yeah,

1748
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 1: that's the like the Italian Norma pizza uh in Mannheim, PA.

1749
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 1: I don't think it's open anymore. It was at the

1750
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:28,759
Speaker 1: Roots Country Market, Okay, I know, Manca. Lady Norma apparently

1751
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: made the best pies in just a random part of PA.

1752
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 1: That's that's Central PA. That's bordering on extreme Central Pa

1753
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: right there. But she's on this pizza message board, one

1754
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 1: of the It's Pizza making dot com where I go

1755
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 1: and people are like, well, here's my copycat recipe of

1756
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: this very specific place in New York. And I could

1757
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 1: see that he was milling his own flower. But I'm

1758
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 1: not sure that you know if it was hard spring

1759
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: wheat or it's really intense.

1760
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, yeah, well, great conversation with r. E. I

1761
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 2: have nothing to contribute on the pizza front. Eye know

1762
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 2: that's okay.

1763
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: I still say you have to find you. I told you.

1764
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 1: I was like, Ty, you got to find your thing.

1765
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 1: You got to find like something to obsess over, either

1766
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: building or cooking or something. And your initial response to

1767
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 1: me was grilled cheese. Do you still feel that way?

1768
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 1: Uh No, it was just an idea. Okay, I think

1769
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: you gotta find it. Maybe I just stick with the omelets. Yeah,

1770
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 1: but you've you've made maybe new kinds of omelets. Maybe

1771
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 1: I tried the French variety runny, little, little too runny. Okay,

1772
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. You need to find your whale,

1773
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 1: all right.

1774
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 2: Well, Sliver at gmail dot com right in let us

1775
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 2: know your thoughts. Check us out for ballers dot com.

1776
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,839
Speaker 2: That's Patreon. Don't forget to follow along on social media

1777
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 2: and through your podcasting app of choice, Dan, why don't

1778
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 2: we let to find people?

1779
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 1: Go go stop listening to my piece of nonsense.

1780
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 2: For that guy there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself,

1781
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 2: Tie Hildebrand, thank you so much for hanging with us.

1782
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again on Thursday, and I meantimes,

1783
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: stay solid, Hace