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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. Hey everyone, welcome to the wire to Hunt

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Speaker 1: Foundations podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.

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Speaker 1: This week, it's all about how to develop a glassing

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Speaker 1: plan and style that will allow you to gather the

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Speaker 1: best intel possible. Now, it's it's not enough to just

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Speaker 1: spend time posted up on a hilltop glass in strips

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Speaker 1: of egg in the hopes of building a sweet hit list.

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Speaker 1: The reality here is that bucks, even lazy summertime bucks,

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Speaker 1: don't really like to be visible. This is especially true

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Speaker 1: if they're in pressured states or live on pressure ground.

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Speaker 1: This means that you might have to treat your glassing

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Speaker 1: get to where the deer are and get out without

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Speaker 1: getting busted. This is one of my favorite summer scouting strategies,

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Speaker 1: and I really think it's one of those things that

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Speaker 1: separates the weekend warriors from the absolute killers. Hey, folks,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the wire to Hunt Foundations podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by First Light. This is episode number ten and

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Speaker 1: I'm your host Tony Peterson. Last week we went big

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Speaker 1: on the reasons for why you should try to find

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Speaker 1: every opportunity to engage in some summertime glassing sessions. This week,

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Speaker 1: it's all about how you get the most out of

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Speaker 1: your time spent on the spotter. To do this, it

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Speaker 1: pays to think about your glassing sessions like individual sits

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Speaker 1: during a rifle hunt. And I know, I know this

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Speaker 1: before we get into that. Unlike a rifle hunt, you

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Speaker 1: should probably glass whenever you can. With hunting, you might

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Speaker 1: try to wait out perfect conditions, but they might not come.

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Speaker 1: With glassing, it's just as valuable to see what comes

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Speaker 1: out on a hot, miserable night as it is when

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Speaker 1: a cold front has come through and it's perfect out

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Speaker 1: throughout the summer. You should go when you can, regardless

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Speaker 1: of the conditions. Take note of the conditions, but don't

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Speaker 1: stay home because they aren't ideal. You'll want to think

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Speaker 1: about where you go more than when you go and

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Speaker 1: how you get there and how you get out. So

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Speaker 1: for starters, just like rifle hunters, long range glassers need

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Speaker 1: to be able to see, actually scratch that they should

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Speaker 1: want to be able to see. We all want to

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Speaker 1: see when we're rifle hunting. More glassing. You can have

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Speaker 1: excellent rifle hunts in the thick cover, of course, especially

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Speaker 1: in seriously pressure ground, But in your heart, you know

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Speaker 1: you want to be perched up in a tower blind

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Speaker 1: overlooking as much open shootable real estate as possible. With glassing,

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Speaker 1: the same rules of apply. Vantage points are huge, as

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Speaker 1: is your positioning in relation to the deer, or more simply,

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Speaker 1: how far you will be from the likeliest deer activity.

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Speaker 1: This is where things get tricky due to terrain and

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Speaker 1: individuality of a situation. Some hunters do have a nice

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Speaker 1: single deer getting spooped. Most of us aren't so lucky,

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Speaker 1: so we're going to have to get into the weeds literally.

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Speaker 1: While you might not need to be any closer than

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Speaker 1: do need to think how you get in. You do

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Speaker 1: a rifle hunt, getting in is usually the easy part.

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Speaker 1: Most of the time, when you head out to glass

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Speaker 1: being out. This means suiting up in camel, which you

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Speaker 1: He vanished on me. So maybe my long range glass

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Speaker 1: which is an awesome consolation prize. Totally beside the point

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Speaker 1: which gave me enough intel to realize why they had

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Speaker 1: also brings up something that no one talks about, which

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Speaker 1: is glassing in the morning out west on a river bottom.

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Speaker 1: This is an absolute no brainer because you can see

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Speaker 1: so much. But does glassing in the morning make any sense?

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Speaker 1: on properties I know well many times to glass mornings

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Speaker 1: you pick your most saddle friendly trees. Well that's it

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Speaker 1: to check out next week's show so you can keep

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Speaker 1: moving yourself in the right white tailed direction. I'm Tony

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Speaker 1: Peterson and this has been the Wire to Hunt Foundations podcast.

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Speaker 1: As I always, thank you so much for listening, and

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Speaker 1: we will see you right here next week