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Speaker 3: We're talking week ten. So, for those of you who
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Speaker 3: for the themes of the day. Dan, Yes, we didn't
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Speaker 3: early block and the mid afternoon block, it's just the
Speaker 3: night games that are going on right now. And you know,
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Speaker 1: Let's start with Penn State, Ohio State. Let's Penn sat
Speaker 1: Ohiose State.
Speaker 3: We were roaming tailgates today doing our best to try
Speaker 3: and find televisions. We watched the fourth quarter of the game,
Speaker 3: or chunk of the fourth quarter of this game from
Speaker 3: our seats up in the press box. Your final score
Speaker 3: was twenty two thirteen Ohio State. It was not a
Speaker 3: game dominated by defair by offense, excuse me, much more
Speaker 3: so by defense. At one point in the game, I
Speaker 3: turned to you when we were watching and we compared
Speaker 3: the team box scores and the team stat lines right,
Speaker 3: and they look shockingly similar. So this was very similar,
Speaker 3: frustratingly so to other Ohio State Penn State games that
Speaker 3: we have seen. I can speak to it from the
Speaker 3: Penn State perspective right to the extent that we watched
Speaker 3: this game, we're able to take it in. What did
Speaker 3: you get from what you saw out of Ohio State? So,
Speaker 3: Ohio State seemed to make a lot very difficult for
Speaker 3: Penn State. Defensively, it seemed like they were overwhelming Penn
Speaker 3: State's offensive line a good amount, obviously highlighted by the
Speaker 3: defensive stand first second, third, fourth and goal, probably highlighted
Speaker 3: by Penn State's decision to run it straight up the
Speaker 3: gut first second, third down before attempting to throw it
Speaker 3: into a real solid amount of traffic out of the
Speaker 3: shotgun on fourth and goal.
Speaker 2: But from Ohio State, it felt like they were generating
Speaker 2: even though they weren't finishing drives, even though they weren't
Speaker 2: hitting a number of downfield passes like they have earlier
Speaker 2: on in the season, which of course they weren't. It's
Speaker 2: the Penn State defense right right that they were finding
Speaker 2: ways to get Brandon Innis. Jeremiah Smith Quinn, Shawn Judkins,
Speaker 2: a little bit of wiggle room, a little bit of space,
Speaker 2: whether it was play design, whether it was reading what
Speaker 2: the defense was giving to them. And Will Howard was
Speaker 2: very sloppy early on. Will Howard was giving the defense.
Speaker 3: I mean, he gave Penn State its only touchdown in
Speaker 3: this game on the first drive of the game for
Speaker 3: Ohio State. It jumped a slant, took it to the house.
Speaker 3: It was up to Penn State was up ten to
Speaker 3: nothing before we even knew what happened. But it was
Speaker 3: from that point forward that Ohio State started to kind
Speaker 3: of assert itself a little bit more. And you know,
Speaker 3: you can speak to what they did on offense, but
Speaker 3: what they did on defense I think was especially impressive.
Speaker 3: Penn State had two drives inside the five yard line,
Speaker 3: came away with zero points.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: They scored exactly your favorite stat, zero offensive touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Just had to those two field goals.
Speaker 2: And really, this is the second year of scoring zero
Speaker 2: offensive touchdowns. It was twenty nine seconds down two scores
Speaker 2: last year that got in the end zone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think the bigger theme for me was
Speaker 3: just the way that Ohio State bullied Penn State really
Speaker 3: on both sides, you know what I mean. We had
Speaker 3: some questions about the left side of the Ohio State line, rightfully,
Speaker 3: so there were some newer guys that were starting on
Speaker 3: that side, or less experienced guys at a minimum, and
Speaker 3: the fact that they had as much success as they did,
Speaker 3: I think as an offensive line unit was pretty impressive.
Speaker 3: Quinchawn Judkins close to one hundred yards rushing yep, Trevion
Speaker 3: Henderson over fifty yards rushing like fifty four yards. Will
Speaker 3: Howard did not have an eye popping stat line with
Speaker 3: respect to what he did on the ground, but he
Speaker 3: did have two really big third down conversion late in
Speaker 3: the game that extended their drive and essentially put the
Speaker 3: game on ice. So it felt like, to your point,
Speaker 3: it came together late for them in some respect on offense,
Speaker 3: but ultimately that it was enough to put the game
Speaker 3: on ice. The Penn State side of this, I think
Speaker 3: is really frustrating. I agree, yeah, because.
Speaker 2: It feels like the same game every year. It does
Speaker 2: look so okay, it's the same game every year, zoom
Speaker 2: out for a moment. We talked a little bit about
Speaker 2: Penn State not recently finding the next I guess would
Speaker 2: be Parker Washington would be the last guy in this respect.
Speaker 2: They found the tight ends. We talked about not finding
Speaker 2: the receivers. Penn State is not finding the quarterbacks and
Speaker 2: offensive coordinators and offensive lineman at the same time. Right,
Speaker 2: there is something I think Andy Kotilnik is probably really good.
Speaker 2: Is he you have four plays to get in the
Speaker 2: end zone from the three yard line. Good early returns
Speaker 2: are no not for Penn State, not good enough. And
Speaker 2: so maybe it's an execution thing. It wasn't a createivity
Speaker 2: thing to me. Well, he wasn't creative enough there.
Speaker 3: It seemed there were several drives in this game where
Speaker 3: I thought they were going to go all trick play
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, whether it's using Tyler Warren, whether it's using creative sets,
Speaker 3: whether I mean, you name it, I mean they it
Speaker 3: felt like they were empty in the clip against Ohio State.
Speaker 1: With respect to.
Speaker 3: Creativity, creativity is not the issue. It's scoring points.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Drew Owler's injured, he's playing on kind of
Speaker 2: one leg or one knee or whatever.
Speaker 1: Look good, Look pretty good.
Speaker 2: What was scrambling early for key first downs? And it's
Speaker 2: different after playing you know, three and a half quarters
Speaker 2: against Ohio State. Your body wears down, I assume, so
Speaker 2: I think my body would wear down. So to me,
Speaker 2: the thing with Penn State is everything looked like they
Speaker 2: had to scratch and claw. Not everything. Eighty five percent
Speaker 2: of their successful plays seem like tight windows had to
Speaker 2: break three tackles to get to seven yards. Right, Everything
Speaker 2: seemed a little bit easier. Maybe it's because they had
Speaker 2: better skill position Ohio State, but the Penn State scratch
Speaker 2: and claw element to me was a little bit disappointing
Speaker 2: that it's another year of this.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Look, Ben Jones, our friend who writes about Penn State,
Speaker 3: has been on the show. He threw this one out
Speaker 3: on Twitter. He says, in the last two Ohio State games,
Speaker 3: Penn State has thrown the ball sixty three times and
Speaker 3: completed thirteen of those passes, just thirteen of those passes
Speaker 3: to wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Quote.
Speaker 3: You can point to a ton of other things, but
Speaker 3: the wide out play and development simply hasn't been good enough.
Speaker 3: This is not a trade secret at point. We know
Speaker 3: this about Penn State, and I think the frustration was
Speaker 3: palpable in the immediate aftermath of this game. Zach Saiko,
Speaker 3: who does the locked on Hitney Lyons podcast shout out
Speaker 3: to him. He tweeted out, still in shock from what
Speaker 3: I witnessed postgame for Penn State versus Ohio State. The
Speaker 3: student section bowed the team as they lined up for
Speaker 3: the alma mater. Then half the team walked into the
Speaker 3: tunnel before the song was over. So the team feeling it,
Speaker 3: the crowd feeling it. It sucks to kind of lay
Speaker 3: that on the player. Obviously, there is frustration abound. James
Speaker 3: Franklin took on some of that in his postgame press conference, saying,
Speaker 3: you know, he's got to own he's got to look
Speaker 3: in the mirror. It's entirely on him that type of thing. Look,
Speaker 3: I feel like we've heard this a million times. He's
Speaker 3: one to ten against Ohio State at this point. So
Speaker 3: there's got to be a lot of splain in this
Speaker 3: week as for where they go from here and how
Speaker 3: they can try and take a step forward.
Speaker 1: This is still a playoff team. I think for the
Speaker 1: most part, this is a playoff team.
Speaker 2: Technically yes, technically yes.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was all that inspiring or
Speaker 3: performance though, and that's probably the bigger question. Can they
Speaker 3: get into the playoff with an eleven to one record.
Speaker 3: They're not going to make the Big Ten title at
Speaker 3: this game at this rate. Can they make the playoff? Yeah,
Speaker 3: they can't make the playoff. I think it's probably they
Speaker 3: will make the playoff. What they do when they get there,
Speaker 3: Can they be a serious contender based on what we
Speaker 3: saw in this game?
Speaker 1: The answer is a definitive no.
Speaker 2: Well here, here's the other thing too. If you're going
Speaker 2: to look at the other side of this coin, it's
Speaker 2: Ohio State has a decent too, I think good shot
Speaker 2: at winning the Big Ten. Penn State is a score
Speaker 2: worse than Ohio State in this moment. Without putting the
Speaker 2: ball in on offense that you simulate the tame one
Speaker 2: hundred times, Penn State's probably scoring an offensive touchdown a
Speaker 2: number of those times. So you're saying a down, if
Speaker 2: not horrendous, all things considered, offensive performance from Penn State
Speaker 2: has them in a position to beat a probable excellent team.
Speaker 2: A You really have to squint to see the silver
Speaker 2: lining if you're a Penn State fan. But there's that.
Speaker 1: I guess, well, there is that, and I just.
Speaker 3: I think the thing the other thing that makes is frustrating,
Speaker 3: separate from the fact that all of these games feel
Speaker 3: the same. If I were in the home studio, I'd
Speaker 3: be yelling about this.
Speaker 1: Right. They had their chances, Dan.
Speaker 2: They had that's the opportunity thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had their chances. This was like they did
Speaker 3: not play well on offense. Ohio State certainly got the
Speaker 3: best of them on offense, but they have plenty of chances.
Speaker 3: They had plenty of chances to get into the game
Speaker 3: to straight up win this game because their defense. All
Speaker 3: things considered, you hold Ohio State to twenty points, that
Speaker 3: should be good.
Speaker 1: Enough for it, and a good offense.
Speaker 2: You put the pressure on Will Howard like they put
Speaker 2: pressure on him right, and that you're getting in his
Speaker 2: head early with that pick six, and you are. You're
Speaker 2: doing plenty to win this game. The Penn State defense wise,
Speaker 2: like Ohio State had plays. Of course, they're going to
Speaker 2: make plays against everybody, but there is something like even
Speaker 2: the threat of a big play receiver opens things up
Speaker 2: against the defense as good as Ohio States can be.
Speaker 2: And when you don't have the like gravitational safeties peaking
Speaker 2: over here, it just it gives drew Our allor less
Speaker 2: to work with. It gives the running backs less to
Speaker 2: work with It gives codel Nicky less to work with
Speaker 2: Cotil Nicky. And there's that glaring issue right now that
Speaker 2: if each of those offensive position units is, you know,
Speaker 2: the part of the a slice of the offensive pie,
Speaker 2: they're missing a pretty significant slice.
Speaker 1: It's very frustrating.
Speaker 3: And I saw a lot of people who commented in
Speaker 3: response to some of our tweets we send out the
Speaker 3: nightly tweet on Saturdays, asking I'm a Penn State fan
Speaker 3: and this is how I'm feeling. And there are a
Speaker 3: couple of people who chimed in and said that this
Speaker 3: should be it for Franklin. I don't know if I
Speaker 3: necessarily agree with that. Right the perspective is getting a
Speaker 3: little bit easier to justify, though, Well, you.
Speaker 2: Just if you're selling hope when you're one and ten
Speaker 2: against what you perceive to be the most consistently difficult
Speaker 2: team in your conference, and you look at your standard
Speaker 2: as conference championship level, but you've lost ten of eleven
Speaker 2: at this point, you know, James Franklin is probably not
Speaker 2: going to often start winning this game.
Speaker 3: It's incredibly frustrating. It is a good road win for
Speaker 3: Ohio State, excellent, a really good road win. It doesn't
Speaker 3: always need to be pretty. They found a way to
Speaker 3: get it done, so kudos to them.
Speaker 2: It does need to be at night, conversation for another day.
Speaker 3: Conversation for another day. May we could talk about that
Speaker 3: on Tuesday. Sure, Game Day was not shy about the
Speaker 3: innu window saw that why the game needs to be
Speaker 3: at night or should be at night. The Penn State
Speaker 3: student body certainly was not shy about expressing its dismay
Speaker 3: over the decision by Fox to make this the big
Speaker 3: noon game.
Speaker 1: I think it sucks.
Speaker 3: I think it should have been at night. But that
Speaker 3: being said, I don't know if the game's any different
Speaker 3: if it's at night.
Speaker 1: Likely not right.
Speaker 3: We've got ten previous games of data to show us
Speaker 3: that this game would probably have ended up exactly the
Speaker 3: same way. Agree, what else stood out to you? We
Speaker 3: had a couple things go down. It was a drama
Speaker 3: fill day, it really was. We had obviously the game
Speaker 3: we were at Oregon Michigan. We had two teams in
Speaker 3: the Big twelve lose Big Twelve teams, Yeah, Kansas State
Speaker 3: and Iowa State, which is certainly going to shake up
Speaker 3: that conference race.
Speaker 1: Maybe how we think about it's.
Speaker 2: Good for Colorado.
Speaker 3: I believe really good for Colorado. How those teams kind
Speaker 3: of factor into the larger national discussion. We had some
Speaker 3: interesting bits here in the SEC. The Georgia game, I
Speaker 3: think left some questions about where they stand in the
Speaker 3: pecking order. They won by fourteen over Florida, but Carson
Speaker 3: Beck had a really rough go of things. DJ Lagway
Speaker 3: went down for Florida. I saw that it was a
Speaker 3: situation truly on the Florida side. I think they lost
Speaker 3: four guys, three of which were defensive backs in this
Speaker 3: football game, so it was a war of attrition in
Speaker 3: one sense. Georgia gets the w But now with some
Speaker 3: of their games coming up, I think it's fair to
Speaker 3: ask questions about what happens to them next. As we
Speaker 3: are recording this much earlier than usual, Texas A and
Speaker 3: m tennessee both on the ropes. We will not be
Speaker 3: covering that because we cannot.
Speaker 2: Cover Do you have a current score for me?
Speaker 1: I could pull up the current scores as we're going
Speaker 1: through this, And.
Speaker 2: By the way, just while you're pulling them up, adds
Speaker 2: an interesting wrinkle to the Bill Napier month and a
Speaker 2: half ahead of us, because the narrative of the story
Speaker 2: was like, he's got to look pretty good to like,
Speaker 2: very good in this stretch of impossible games that Florida
Speaker 2: has coming up. Now, DJ likeway, it looks like he's
Speaker 2: out for the year. Significant hamstring injury. That was the
Speaker 2: initial By the way, sometimes you might hear planes flying overhead,
Speaker 2: like yeah, like we're playing in the nineteen ninety three US
Speaker 2: Open in Queens. Yeah, this is the true Stefan Edberg
Speaker 2: of the college football podcasting world right here. That Billy
Speaker 2: Napier has to win games, that Billy Napier has to
Speaker 2: look good, that BILLI Napier has to prove that Florida
Speaker 2: is heading in an impressive direction. Aiden Gardner is not
Speaker 2: the per Gardner. Aiden Warner? Is that the name I'm
Speaker 2: warning for? Yeah, Aiden Warner is not the person to
Speaker 2: steer that chip. Right, This was so like, what do
Speaker 2: you do if you're a Florida decision maker? How do
Speaker 2: you judge Billy Napier against results without DJ Lagway or
Speaker 2: Graham Mertz. Does it buy him time or does give
Speaker 2: you an excuse?
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, I mean it depends how you
Speaker 3: feel about billion Aper, right exactly in that administration at
Speaker 3: one point when they brought in Aiden Warner. I turned
Speaker 3: to you and I said, what do we know about
Speaker 3: this guy? And he said, well, he's a Yale transfer
Speaker 3: and I said, high football IQ, yeah, and he said
Speaker 3: he didn't play.
Speaker 2: He did not play.
Speaker 1: It just a high regular IQ.
Speaker 3: And to be honest with you, they had to go
Speaker 3: at this one even late. But he threw a really
Speaker 3: bad pick on a drive where I think Florida needed
Speaker 3: to go down the field and try and tie this
Speaker 3: one up. Your final score was thirty four to twenty
Speaker 3: in favor of Georgia at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: Carson Beck threw multiple player interceptible passes. There were on
Speaker 2: multiple occasions he threw passes that could have been intercepted
Speaker 2: by multiple people.
Speaker 1: The way I.
Speaker 3: Jotted it down on the note sheet was his first
Speaker 3: two interceptions were underthrown into at least double coverage. Truly,
Speaker 3: both were into at least double coverage. The third was
Speaker 3: a pick I believe in the third quarter. Early in
Speaker 3: the third ye hit where he got hit and it
Speaker 3: was sort of tipped and it just was a wounded
Speaker 3: duck that was able to jump up and grab. So
Speaker 3: I give credit to Florida's defense for what they did
Speaker 3: in that game. You know, this was a much moreligne
Speaker 3: unit coming into the season. They clearly took it seriously
Speaker 3: trying to reboot things, and it felt like they were
Speaker 3: getting pressure on Carson back.
Speaker 1: It felt like they were able to obviously.
Speaker 3: Change the game with turnovers at least in the first half,
Speaker 3: with defensive backs being in the right place at the
Speaker 3: right time.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 3: If nothing more, if you're a Florida fan, one of
Speaker 3: the things you take away from this is the fact
Speaker 3: that they look pretty good I think on defense against
Speaker 3: a at a minimum, pretty good offense with Georgia, right,
Speaker 3: I mean that is a sign things are improving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but how much can you say like we improved
Speaker 2: in a losing injured effort, Like it's just a hard
Speaker 2: sales job. It's not BILLI Napier's fault. I don't think
Speaker 2: that both Graham Hertz and DJ like Waar are hurt.
Speaker 2: But I guess you could point to offensive line issues.
Speaker 2: I guess you. I don't know. It just seems like
Speaker 2: they're just a team with bad luck. They're a team
Speaker 2: with full on bad luck. And I don't know how
Speaker 2: you judge. I can judge Georgia a little bit because
Speaker 2: Georgia seemed to be positioning themselves as an improving team
Speaker 2: even after disappointing performances against you know, teams like Kentucky
Speaker 2: even Mississippi State, but then look strong to excellent against Texas,
Speaker 2: look all over the place, including terrible early against Alabama
Speaker 2: that Florida was an opportunity as a double digit two
Speaker 2: touchdown plus favorite to say, Okay, we've settled into this groove.
Speaker 2: There was This was a grooveless experience from Georgia football.
Speaker 2: And so they're definitively decent. Good but not where they've been.
Speaker 2: Where do we rank Georgia. I don't know, man. They
Speaker 2: won their clunker, which we have to give them credit for.
Speaker 3: We had this debate on the car or in the
Speaker 3: car on the way over here. I think it's Oregon,
Speaker 3: Ohio State one, two.
Speaker 2: Okay, who's three?
Speaker 1: Do you put.
Speaker 3: Georgia three to you give them benefit of the doubt,
Speaker 3: you put Miami three. Miami has continue to win. They
Speaker 3: put up fifty some odd points today despite the fact
Speaker 3: they gave up thirty one to Duke.
Speaker 2: And not just thirty one to Duke. They gave They
Speaker 2: went on like a tear of mediocrity in the middle
Speaker 2: of this game against Duke. But yes they they won
Speaker 2: and finished strong.
Speaker 3: You know, you get you get to this point now
Speaker 3: where we start talking about rankings, where it's like, where
Speaker 3: do we put Texas? If Tennessee is truly on the ropes,
Speaker 3: where does we put where do we put Tennessee? Suddenly
Speaker 3: a team like A BYU is one that thankfully was
Speaker 3: on by this week, But does BYU get a nod
Speaker 3: up there? Clemson is also another team that's on the ropes.
Speaker 3: I didn't even mention the ACC. We can talk about
Speaker 3: them in a little bit, but you know, some I
Speaker 3: think further kind of stratification, if you will, in the ACC.
Speaker 3: As the Pit SMU game's going on right now, I'm
Speaker 3: confident saying at point in time, right now that we're
Speaker 3: recording this, ask him he's gonna win that game. They're
Speaker 3: up twenty eight points at halftime, right so, I mean
Speaker 3: we are starting to get some of the intel. I
Speaker 3: think that we need to try and break these teams down. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: Notre Dame, also on buy probably stands to benefit more
Speaker 3: than anybody. Yes, it will not help them if A
Speaker 3: and M loses. Nonetheless, they are in the top ten,
Speaker 3: they're not going to be penalized for not playing a game.
Speaker 3: And if there are teams in front of them where
Speaker 3: there are questions emerging about them, or if they, frankly
Speaker 3: they've got an easier schedule than those teams in front
Speaker 3: of them, they're going to find themselves in a position
Speaker 3: where they can just keep gradually moving up.
Speaker 2: Look, you have to apply the same principles and standards
Speaker 2: to everybody, even as schedules are wildly different. And that
Speaker 2: is I don't know, take the three best teams. Each
Speaker 2: of these teams has played, which varies dramatically. How did
Speaker 2: that team play in those games? And then you take
Speaker 2: road games against conference opponents, how do they look in
Speaker 2: those games? And if you are looking at any of
Speaker 2: these teams and saying they haven't played well on the road,
Speaker 2: they haven't played well against quality teams, but they're winning games,
Speaker 2: knock them down if they're And I like not style
Speaker 2: for the sake of style, but generally speaking, Notre Dame
Speaker 2: has won by a lot of points. Generally speaking, Indiana,
Speaker 2: who has not played a tough schedule at all, has
Speaker 2: won by a lot of points. They have performed like
Speaker 2: an excellent team should be like they have performed against
Speaker 2: their schedule better than BYU has performed against its schedule.
Speaker 2: And so that's something I hold dearly in my chest.
Speaker 2: So that's that's how you can more broadly apply the
Speaker 2: same standards. But yeah, how you play on the road,
Speaker 2: how you play against the best teams, the quote unquote
Speaker 2: best teams, which is also subjective, And I think that's
Speaker 2: how you That's how, at least initially you have to apply.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter until early December, it does not, No,
Speaker 2: but at least we can start shaping this a little bit.
Speaker 3: I mentioned the Big twelve thing earlier, yeap, as I
Speaker 3: often say, the Big twelve is now also on a blender.
Speaker 3: Iowa State loss today. Oh, to be clear, Arizona is
Speaker 3: fully blended the smoothie. The Arizona smoothie is ready for
Speaker 3: everybody to consume. Everybody can't consume. You CF beat them
Speaker 3: into a pulp today. Man, just an absolute massacre. I
Speaker 3: don't have my soundboard. That would be everybody got murdered
Speaker 3: sound right there. But I was State lost that game
Speaker 3: to Texas Tech. Taj Brooks. Taj Brooks will be a
Speaker 3: dude when we do our due to works sitement on Tuesday,
Speaker 3: he runs it in on a direct snap, ran it
Speaker 3: around the right tackle into the end zone. They end
Speaker 3: up winning twenty three to twenty two. And in the
Speaker 3: KSE State game, Houston, of all teams, scored fourteen points
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter to knock off Case State to
Speaker 3: give them their second conference laws at present, who've.
Speaker 2: Been looking vulnerable by the way Case State against both
Speaker 2: Kansas and Colorado on the ropes.
Speaker 3: The writing was on the wall, and frankly it was
Speaker 3: on the wall for Iowa State as well. Absolutely all right,
Speaker 3: So we have seen this coming. We've kind of warned
Speaker 3: about it, regardless of who we picked and when we
Speaker 3: picked them. It's if you've been paying attention, you have
Speaker 3: seen that some of these games have been closer than
Speaker 3: you'd expect. So where are we stand right now in
Speaker 3: the Big twelve is actually quite interesting. Again, BYU stood,
Speaker 3: I think to benefit the most from this week because
Speaker 3: they didn't play, I didn't have anything to worry about.
Speaker 3: They've got Utah coming up in a rivalry game. I
Speaker 3: don't know how much we think of Utah, but I believe.
Speaker 1: It's a road game.
Speaker 3: It's still rivalry. Rivalries can get weird. So that's one
Speaker 3: to kind of take and put aside for another day.
Speaker 3: But you've now got this combination of teams that are vying,
Speaker 3: I think for that number two slot in the Big twelve,
Speaker 3: one of which is still Liillwa State, which only has
Speaker 3: one conference loss, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Cincinnati, Arizona State,
Speaker 3: who won Big TCU. Like all of these, here a
Speaker 3: bunch of teams that have two losses in the conference.
Speaker 3: But sitting there also with one loss is a Little
Speaker 3: Old Colorado.
Speaker 2: Little Old Colorado, right, because Nebraska's out of conference, right,
Speaker 2: Little Old Colorado, and they don't own the tiebreaker against
Speaker 2: k State, but otherwise are clean.
Speaker 3: Otherwise I believe they stand to benefit a lot from
Speaker 3: just winning out. Oh yeah, this was one of the
Speaker 3: circumstances that we talked through on our Tuesday episode.
Speaker 1: They needed Iowa State to lose check and they need
Speaker 1: to win out. We'll see tbchcheck number two.
Speaker 3: And then it would be helpful at this point in
Speaker 3: time if Case State beat Iowa State in the Farm
Speaker 3: Again game, just to leave no doubt, right. But if
Speaker 3: all of those things occur, there's a pretty good chance
Speaker 3: that Colorado is getting through that Big twelve title game
Speaker 3: to play against BYU.
Speaker 2: But also it's the Big Twelve. So as soon as
Speaker 2: you think a team is well positioned, or as soon
Speaker 2: as you think a team is dead to rights, Houston, TCU, whoever.
Speaker 2: I came into this conference season thinking, yeah, Utah is
Speaker 2: probably in good shape, Arizona's going to be very difficult
Speaker 2: to deal with, Colorado's.
Speaker 1: A wild card.
Speaker 2: And then Houston comes out and lays big old eggs
Speaker 2: they're back. Yeah, they are the undead, right, Like Kansas
Speaker 2: looked pretty bad now they look at least Kansas looks dangerous,
Speaker 2: right that they can put a lot of fear into
Speaker 2: a lot of teams. We'll see what happens. We'll see
Speaker 2: what that actually means. Means Utah has completely fallen off,
Speaker 2: we're to say, but kind of not in terms of
Speaker 2: greatness or difficulties. ASU and Cincinnati have kind of just
Speaker 2: sort of like been what they've been. They've sort of
Speaker 2: chugged along, you know what they are SU six and two.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State goes to this conference's championship game last year
Speaker 2: and remained winless in this conference thus far. So I
Speaker 2: guess you can count on Oklahoma State on some level.
Speaker 2: This year, they've been consistently disappointing well.
Speaker 3: And then there's also the case of Texas Tech. Yes,
Speaker 3: Texas Tech lost back to back games not so long
Speaker 3: ago to both Arizona and Baylor.
Speaker 1: The Baylor game was you know.
Speaker 2: But also lost to Washington State, opened up giving up
Speaker 2: fifty to Abilene Christian.
Speaker 3: Yeah, two conference losses, three overall, and as it goes
Speaker 3: for them the remainder of the season, They've got a
Speaker 3: game against Colorado which could end up being rather significant.
Speaker 1: Agree, They've got a game on the road at.
Speaker 3: Oklahoma State, which suddenly looks a lot more winnable hm.
Speaker 3: And they come back home to close things out against
Speaker 3: West Virginia, which also feels like a winnable game. Maybe
Speaker 3: not with West Virginia's proclivity to run the foot.
Speaker 2: Where's that game? As long as West Virginia is away
Speaker 2: from it's in Lubbock, ok So.
Speaker 3: I mean Texas Tech is another team that I don't
Speaker 3: think we could turn a blind eye to just because Look,
Speaker 3: they went on the road and they beat Iowa State.
Speaker 1: That's a really good win.
Speaker 3: They're just really tough to try and engage and feel
Speaker 3: confident about week in a week out. But I think
Speaker 3: that almost applies to this point to every team in
Speaker 3: the Big twe and.
Speaker 2: Then BYU from the Rafters, BYU Colorado as we all.
Speaker 3: Predicted, as as we all predicted, And then I guess
Speaker 3: the other kind of angle this week is what's going
Speaker 3: on in the ACC. So at time of recording, hopefully this.
Speaker 1: Won't be stale.
Speaker 3: Okay, what do we have with about nine minutes left
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter? They'll Clemson has the ball and
Speaker 3: is driving at about midfield and plus territory. Louisville currently
Speaker 3: leads twenty six to seven.
Speaker 2: That's a lot to come back from.
Speaker 3: It's a lot to come back from for U and
Speaker 3: I talked about this earlier. What started as a pickleball
Speaker 3: effort from Kate clubneck.
Speaker 2: Let's let's cover our bases here. React to Clemson coming
Speaker 2: back and winning this game.
Speaker 1: Incredible win.
Speaker 3: Should be a top ten team, definitely cementing its spot
Speaker 3: as one of the top two teams in the ACC.
Speaker 2: They were down twenty six to seven with nine minutes left,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to bore you with the details
Speaker 2: of how they came back to win this game, but
Speaker 2: holy hell, how dramatic and impressive was that obviously a
Speaker 2: clunker of a performance the first three quarters plus. But
Speaker 2: this is what good teams do.
Speaker 1: Tie.
Speaker 2: They come back and they find ways to win. Okay,
Speaker 2: en scene, Now let's go through. Louisville pulls this out cleanly.
Speaker 1: Louisville pulls this one out cleanly first off. A great
Speaker 1: win for Louisville. Que go on the road to Death
Speaker 1: Valley and win that game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyler Schuck has not really won that big game
Speaker 2: and finally is able to sort of plant his flag.
Speaker 3: Had a beautiful rushing touchdown earlier in this game where
Speaker 3: he sort of dove into the Superman's summersault, which is
Speaker 3: pretty pretty awesome. Clemson losing this game gives them two
Speaker 3: losses on the season. Lost the game Week one in
Speaker 3: resounding fashion. Together one way, this would be their first
Speaker 3: in the ACC, so they would still obviously be in it,
Speaker 3: but by virtue of Miami winning, by virtue of I
Speaker 3: believe SMU pulling away from Pitt, that would mean that
Speaker 3: SMU and Miami are on a collision course. Now for
Speaker 3: this ACC title game, the rest of the way for
Speaker 3: SMU is pretty clean. By comparison, It is the easiest
Speaker 3: slate for the remainder of the season that I think
Speaker 3: you're going to find the ACC. If you're an SMU fan,
Speaker 3: I feel pretty good about that. What this does is
Speaker 3: it paves the way for those two teams to meet
Speaker 3: play for the ACC title game. It opens up the
Speaker 3: possibility that SMU could find a way to win the
Speaker 3: ACC in its first year in the conference, if not
Speaker 3: making into the playoff. I think it makes things really
Speaker 3: interesting with respect to these playoff rankings that they're going
Speaker 3: to release of all times election on Election Day at
Speaker 3: night correct before the ballots close, which no one will
Speaker 3: pay attention to, I'm sure, but where they put a
Speaker 3: team like an SMU maybe not the toughest schedule throughout
Speaker 3: the season, but at some point you got to take
Speaker 3: notice that they are playing really really solid football.
Speaker 2: Well, that they beat Louisville, who possibly just beat Clemson Clemson.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I think where I'm at with Clemson
Speaker 3: is they're going to need to get back to blowing
Speaker 3: teams out, and I'm not sure they can do what
Speaker 3: they did in the first half of their schedule moving forward, because,
Speaker 3: as we said on the preview episode, back half of
Speaker 3: the schedule gets harder for Clemson, not talking like they're
Speaker 3: playing Georgia every week, but we're talking about playing top
Speaker 3: twenty caliber teams, fringe top twenty teams a couple times
Speaker 3: over now throughout the month of November, close out the
Speaker 3: season against South Carolina.
Speaker 1: South Carolina is probably on the verge of being Texas.
Speaker 3: Ay now, it's a good South Carolina team, just as
Speaker 3: an example, not a conference game.
Speaker 2: Not a conference game.
Speaker 3: But that is more of the case I think for
Speaker 3: the remainder of the season for the clech So it's
Speaker 3: for them to work their way back into kind of
Speaker 3: that national conversation. It's a different calculation than I think
Speaker 3: we saw in the beginning part of the year.
Speaker 2: Well, they're on the road that sometimes some of these
Speaker 2: big twelve teams in contention are, which is they might
Speaker 2: not look great, they might not be highly rated as
Speaker 2: an at large playoff team. Just when you're conferencing, you
Speaker 2: get in as a top four seed, right, That's where
Speaker 2: Clemson is right now, and you neglect it to make
Speaker 2: to make another sort of mention with the ACC and
Speaker 2: that is Miami is happily undefeated, but they downloaded Hinge
Speaker 2: and they're swiping on some l's right, They're searching for
Speaker 2: an hell. They haven't really found that match yet, but
Speaker 2: between the Cal and Virginia Tech and Louisville and now
Speaker 2: Duke games, they're on the prowl for a loss.
Speaker 3: By the way, Camboard had one of the worst interceptions
Speaker 3: we've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Yes, and some of the best plays, which is I
Speaker 2: guess the cam Ward experience.
Speaker 1: It is a dichotomy that is Camboard.
Speaker 2: It is he is so casual at times impressively so.
Speaker 2: Xavier Rostreppo was casually excellent with regularity. There's a lot
Speaker 2: to love about where this Miami team is in terms
Speaker 2: of scoring points, pulling out games whatever. Miami's got some
Speaker 2: work to clean up in terms of giving up the
Speaker 2: havoc plays like defenses are getting after them a little
Speaker 2: bit too much. If I'm a Miami fan, I'm a
Speaker 2: little bit concerned about the sacks and the tackles for
Speaker 2: lost that kind of thing. A little bit concerned about
Speaker 2: cam Ward just going ice cold for stretches. I'm a
Speaker 2: little bit concerned about a team like Duke not a
Speaker 2: great offense. This is not a powerful, high powered whatever offense.
Speaker 2: They rattled off like a twenty eight to three run.
Speaker 2: I believe in the middle of this game.
Speaker 3: Miami gave up over four hundred yards but forced four turnovers. Again,
Speaker 3: it's like cam Ward but on defense, right there's sliping'.
Speaker 3: There is a little bit of the good, a little
Speaker 3: bit of the bad. Yes, it's sort of the ink
Speaker 3: blot tests. You see what you want to see with Miami.
Speaker 3: They won fifty three to thirty one over Duke to
Speaker 3: remain unbeaten on the season, to remain unbeaten in conference.
Speaker 3: Why don't we wind this down here please, I'm going
Speaker 3: to do some quick word association with you.
Speaker 2: And we haven't even talked to Michigan Oorgan yet.
Speaker 1: We haven't even talked Michigan Oorgan. We're going to start.
Speaker 3: We're going to close things out with that game, okay,
Speaker 3: but just to make our way around college football here
Speaker 3: very quickly. Okay, I'll give you a couple of games
Speaker 3: and just give me your initial reaction.
Speaker 2: Sorry, there's an airbus flying overhead right now, as Yvonne
Speaker 2: Lendel closes out the third set.
Speaker 1: Syracuse thirty eight Virginia Tech thirty one in overtime?
Speaker 2: What do I think about? What do I know about
Speaker 2: this game?
Speaker 1: What are you? What's your reaction to that score.
Speaker 2: Awesome for Sarahcuse for coming back and pulling out a
Speaker 2: tough game after losing the way they did. For the
Speaker 2: way they did against pitt tough Virginia Tech team. Obviously,
Speaker 2: no starting quarterback, no starting running back, no.
Speaker 3: Starting quarterback, no starting running back. The game was in
Speaker 3: their grasp and they gagged it away.
Speaker 2: Yes, literally fell out of their hands.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and QS is now six and two bowligible, So
Speaker 3: good for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here one of the for animal.
Speaker 3: Another reaction, Give me your reaction to Minnesota twenty five
Speaker 3: Illinois seventeen.
Speaker 1: It's about right.
Speaker 2: It feels right, doesn't It sort of about right? Max
Speaker 2: Brosmer wasn't accomplishing much downfield from what I could see
Speaker 2: in this game, which I was just sort of switching
Speaker 2: back and forth to.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Minnesota's one four straight. They've covered five straight, which
Speaker 3: is important for the purpose at betting. Yeah, there were
Speaker 3: two fumbles in this game for Luke Altmeyer, one of
Speaker 3: which was a very critical fumble came inside the last
Speaker 3: minute as Illinois was driving in the red zone to
Speaker 3: potentially score the game time touchdown. So it was I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna say it was there for Illinois, but there
Speaker 3: were opportunities there.
Speaker 2: Good for Minnesota, the Utah of the Big ten, maybe
Speaker 2: Indiana forty seven, Michigan State ten old Utah of the
Speaker 2: Big Ten. Indiana's a war machine. They go down ten
Speaker 2: to nothing, ten to three, something like that, and they
Speaker 2: ripped off forty seven straight. They're incredible. Curtis work had
Speaker 2: a slow ish start in the first drive or two
Speaker 2: and then it was nothing but pain from Michigan State.
Speaker 2: They couldn't run the ball at all against Indiana. The
Speaker 2: offense gets all the attention and maybe rightfully so on
Speaker 2: a certain level for Indiana, but defense has been playing. Again.
Speaker 2: These are not huge opponents. They have played a mediocre
Speaker 2: schedule at best, but they are doing to that mediocre
Speaker 2: schedule what an excellent team should be doing. They don't
Speaker 2: play single digit games. No, this was nowhere near a game.
Speaker 2: Pretty quickly you.
Speaker 3: See f fifty six Arizona twelve man, rest in peace.
Speaker 3: You're down on Zona.
Speaker 2: I just it's a new way to lose, an embarrassing fashion.
Speaker 2: And like I was one of those people after I
Speaker 2: think it was Northern Arizona Week two where there was
Speaker 2: they're just not moving the ball. There's just so many mistakes.
Speaker 2: You're like, you know what, it's week two working out
Speaker 2: the kinks. Maybe they didn't take this team seriously. I
Speaker 2: don't know. Something is off with this team. They've already
Speaker 2: made a change at play caller. The defense is a
Speaker 2: mess at times, as we saw today against what third
Speaker 2: string quarterback.
Speaker 3: Basically this is the all time case of the backup
Speaker 3: being better than the starter, but it actually goes a
Speaker 3: level deeper. Is the backup to the backup better than
Speaker 3: the starter? Because listen, that not only applies to the offense.
Speaker 1: With quarterback Ryan.
Speaker 3: Rizzick miss five passes through for three ninety four and
Speaker 3: three touchdowns, fire their defensive coordinator. Yeah, believe new play
Speaker 3: caller on offense, Like they have changed a lot here
Speaker 3: midstream r J Harvey went off to RJ Harvey had
Speaker 3: like one hundred and eighty four yards and a bunch touchdowns. So,
Speaker 3: I mean this has been a roller coaster rider for you,
Speaker 3: a UCF fan. A couple more here and then we're
Speaker 3: going to close out with Oregon, Michigan, Ole Miss sixty three,
Speaker 3: Arkansas thirty one.
Speaker 2: There's always that team that doesn't actually play in the
Speaker 2: huge game or the huge games but you kind of
Speaker 2: know belongs in that space. And the best of all
Speaker 2: Miss is, from what I can tell from AFAR, as
Speaker 2: dangerous as most, if not every team. The problem is
Speaker 2: that's eighty three percent of the time for Ole Miss.
Speaker 2: It's not every week.
Speaker 3: The problem is the Penn State thing. Yeah, it's the
Speaker 3: Penn State thing where you know the team's got talent
Speaker 3: obviously very very good. Can they get to that next level?
Speaker 3: This might be And we talked there's another thing we
Speaker 3: talked about in the car. Might be the best team
Speaker 3: that does not make the playoffs, right, and it might
Speaker 3: not even be close. Sixty three to thirty one against Arkansas.
Speaker 3: Arkansas's a plucky team. Jackson Dart by the way, had
Speaker 3: a school record five hundred and fifteen passing yards tied
Speaker 3: to school record with six touchdowns at this game. Ole
Speaker 3: Miss on the whole had six hundred and ninety four
Speaker 3: yards of offense against.
Speaker 2: Against so totally decent Arkansas team.
Speaker 3: Against totally decent Arkansas team in Fayetteville, Yes, in Faithville, Yeah, Oregon, Michigan.
Speaker 3: We were at this game. We sat in the press
Speaker 3: box for this game. Thirty eight to seventeen was your
Speaker 3: final at one point. It seemed as if the points
Speaker 3: spread was not going to hit.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: A little bit of a backdoor cover for the Michigan Wolverines.
Speaker 3: Oregon had the ball late, they were down inside the
Speaker 3: five yard line. They decided they were going to score
Speaker 3: the touchdown. Totally unnecessary touchdown. They could have taken the
Speaker 3: knee with twenty five seconds left. Pack Yes, they did
Speaker 3: get it into the end engine, so they win by
Speaker 3: twenty one.
Speaker 2: I didn't say this out loud because I didn't want
Speaker 2: to curse it or want it to happen or whatever.
Speaker 2: A little bit of the like Mario crystal ball, you
Speaker 2: can just kneel it and leave with a win in
Speaker 2: like a close It wasn't a close game, but in
Speaker 2: kind of a weird ending of a game that Oregon
Speaker 2: went pretty cold in the second half offensively, or at
Speaker 2: least in the third quarter. They took our business thirty
Speaker 2: eight to seventeen. If we kind of forget the rhythms
Speaker 2: of this game is going to look better, maybe even
Speaker 2: a lot better than thirty one seventeen. Thirty one to
Speaker 2: seventeen could have the you know the feel of kind
Speaker 2: of back and forth, and Oregon scores late thirty eight
Speaker 2: to seventeen is like, hyeah, I beat them by three touchdowns.
Speaker 3: Here's what I'll say about this game. It felt like
Speaker 3: this one was going to be over at halftime.
Speaker 2: Yes, twenty eight ten at halftime.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight ten at halftime.
Speaker 3: Oregon ripped off twenty one in the second quarter. After halftime,
Speaker 3: Michigan did a pretty good job bottling him up.
Speaker 2: Oregon scored right before and got the ball back. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they were to dominate the middle eight but didn't.
Speaker 1: It felt as if that game was over.
Speaker 3: But the way that Michigan rebounded, specifically on defense, I
Speaker 3: thought was impressive. I also thought Davis Warren looked pretty good.
Speaker 3: I don't have his final stat line in front of me.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he is striking the fear of
Speaker 3: God into a good defense right all things consider, given
Speaker 3: where they started and where I think they're at now,
Speaker 3: Davis Warren has definitely been a success story. He threw
Speaker 3: some nice throws in the red zone for touchdown passes.
Speaker 1: He didn't he hit.
Speaker 3: You knows how to hit Colston Lovelin very much might
Speaker 3: be the only thing he knows how to do in
Speaker 3: the passing game, but that definitely gives them a little
Speaker 3: bit of a flare on that offense that we have
Speaker 3: not seen before. What I do not get is why
Speaker 3: they continue to use alex Orgy in the manner that
Speaker 3: they are, because it is so telegraphed he's not going
Speaker 3: to throw the ball. There was that play in the
Speaker 3: fourth quarter on a big fourth down. They're trying to
Speaker 3: get back in this thing. They need to score a touchdown.
Speaker 3: Instead of bringing Davis Warren into try and throw another
Speaker 3: touchdown pass, which he had done very nicely earlier in
Speaker 3: the game, they bring in alex Orgie. They try a
Speaker 3: gadget play where it's homage Morgan throwing to alex Orgi.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's a throwback. Yes, it was a pitch
Speaker 2: to Samaje Morgan, a backwards pass, alex Orgy going out
Speaker 2: mateo Oui Anglla staying with him. The defensive end, the
Speaker 2: edge rusher for Oregon. It not being there.
Speaker 3: If you're going to bring the backup quarterback in, yeah,
Speaker 3: if you want to throw the ball, what like, shouldn't
Speaker 3: the quarterback be the one throwing the ball? Sometimes it works,
Speaker 3: but in that moment, it just felt like it felt
Speaker 3: like an unnecessary Well, there's.
Speaker 2: Just no threat of a dropback situation on fourth and goal.
Speaker 2: With alex Orgi, there's no threat of that telegraphed.
Speaker 3: And so I think, if I'm a Michigan fan, that's
Speaker 3: what I'm most frustrated with. The quarterback thing was always
Speaker 3: going to be weird. Now you lose Jack Tuttle, that's unfortunate. Yes,
Speaker 3: these are the guys that you're rolling with. Now the
Speaker 3: rest of the year, you're rolling with Davis Warren, you're
Speaker 3: rolling with alex Orgie. I think the balance they had
Speaker 3: a week ago is pretty good. Right this week, I
Speaker 3: don't know if there was much of a balance at all,
Speaker 3: because we knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 1: Every time alex Orgie came in. He was gonna run
Speaker 1: the football.
Speaker 2: He threw one ball away, He threw one away at Yah,
Speaker 2: threw one away.
Speaker 1: He did have a nice run he did down the
Speaker 1: left sideline.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I was keeping track and it's like one
Speaker 3: out of every seven times he gets the ball. You
Speaker 3: get like a decent size game, and those don't seem
Speaker 3: like good odds, especially when you're in a high leverage
Speaker 3: moment late in the game. You need a touchdown and
Speaker 3: try and get back into the game.
Speaker 2: Well, and when you find yourself on second and eight
Speaker 2: second and nine second and eleven when he comes in
Speaker 2: on first down and you're just behind the sticks with
Speaker 2: Alex Orgie more often than not, and it was I
Speaker 2: don't think it makes a difference, honestly. Like the number
Speaker 2: of plays that Davis Warren was able to make was impressive.
Speaker 2: It was basically to one guy between the twenties or
Speaker 2: you know, for the first eighty yards of the field
Speaker 2: in Colston Lovelin, which was great. If you could make
Speaker 2: it work, that's great. Found a couple guys in the
Speaker 2: end zone, great. He was very good in short yardage,
Speaker 2: goal line situations. This was not a team that I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not a team that's built to separate itself from
Speaker 2: decent teams, let alone beat decent teams at this point
Speaker 2: in the season, given their quarterback situation, the rhythms for
Speaker 2: Oregon were impressive. Evan Stewart definitely dropped that touchdown pass.
Speaker 2: The Big Ten definitely should have reviewed it. The Big
Speaker 2: Ten kind of screwed Oregon over in that Ohio State game,
Speaker 2: kind of screwed Michigan over in this game. Probably made
Speaker 2: a difference in the Ohio State game probably would not
Speaker 2: have made the difference. In this game. Oregon ran strongly.
Speaker 2: They suffered. You know, their best receiver went down in
Speaker 2: Tesed Johnson early on. I think he's gonna be out
Speaker 2: for a long stretch of time. We'll see if that
Speaker 2: comes to bite Organ on some level. He's Dylan Gabriel
Speaker 2: safety blanket. But Oregon had a complete performance when it
Speaker 2: seemed like the pocket was breaking down. Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a complicated place to play, In.
Speaker 2: A complicated place to play. Crowd was into this game.
Speaker 2: Michigan was able to get some stuff. It was Dylan
Speaker 2: Garbriel is able to succeed downfield.
Speaker 3: In a year in college football where it feels like
Speaker 3: there is a lot of uncertainty abound. Right this is
Speaker 3: the best team in college football, if nothing more than
Speaker 3: the most consistent.
Speaker 2: Right now, They're they're the hinds ward as Bain blows
Speaker 2: up the field in Yeah dark is it dark Knight?
Speaker 2: Dark Knight?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no dark Knight rises, yes, So yeah, it's it's
Speaker 2: very nice that if Oregon is having longer stretches beat
Speaker 2: against Indiana, be it against Michigan State, be it against
Speaker 2: Michigan today as we record this, that they're winning this
Speaker 2: by three touchdowns, that they're winning not clunkers but semi
Speaker 2: stalled games by multiple scores. So look, this is any
Speaker 2: other results you want to rattle through. Just like to
Speaker 2: tip your cap to anybody anything particular. AB won a game,
Speaker 2: UA B won a game. We could tip our cap
Speaker 2: to U. C.
Speaker 1: L Ay.
Speaker 3: We will have more to discuss on that game as
Speaker 3: we get a little bit deeper into the Bailey looked
Speaker 3: pretty good against Stanford. Yeah, absolutely had a nice day
Speaker 3: for NC State. Only missed two throws, so kudos to him.
Speaker 3: Omar and Hampton had a huge day for North Carolina.
Speaker 3: I don't want to dunk too much on Florida State,
Speaker 3: but just not a good performance for them. They gave
Speaker 3: up seven sacks and ten tackles for loss from a
Speaker 3: UNC defense.
Speaker 1: That is, let's be honest, not the show.
Speaker 2: It's prett blow average. By the way, speaking of elite losers,
Speaker 2: what did you freeze?
Speaker 1: Do you freeze?
Speaker 2: Lost to Vandy and diego Pavia again again.
Speaker 3: Seventeen to seven, and you know, shout out Asu mentioned
Speaker 3: Asu before, Yeah, ESU winning forty two to twenty one.
Speaker 3: Sam Levitt really nice game over Oklahoma State. So look,
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