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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal For me, I'm a man,

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Speaker 1: I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well I

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Speaker 1: want to be happy. You want to be happy for

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Speaker 1: a day? Edith state is that? Woo woof? And Dan

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Speaker 1: and Tie.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Salid Rebel Boys and Girls. My

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Speaker 2: name is Tai Hill, the brand, that fine gentleman over there,

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Speaker 2: the one, the only still after all this time, the

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Speaker 2: incomparable Dan Rubinstein, Sir, sir.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sir, how are you? I'm good? I was hoping

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Speaker 1: you were ready with the Leanne Rhymes drop of still

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Speaker 1: the one or I don't know if you're a was

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Speaker 1: it Leanne Rhymes? Or who is the other one?

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Speaker 2: That?

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Speaker 1: Shania Twain?

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Speaker 2: Still the one? Okay?

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Speaker 1: So who did the competing? There was from con Air?

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Speaker 1: What was the the song at the end of How

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Speaker 1: Do I Live? That was how Do I Live? That

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Speaker 1: was Leanne Rhymes? So there were two versions though, oh

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Speaker 1: it was There was a Faith Hill version and a

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Speaker 1: Leanne Rhymes version. I believe I.

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Speaker 2: Believe Leeann Rimes had it first, right did she? Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'll look this.

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Speaker 1: Up starting the show of fire here Okay, still the one? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Shania Twain? That makes sense. So yeah, I'm I'm happy

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Speaker 1: we didn't spend all of our money licensing that song

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Speaker 1: But I'm glad I'm still the one in your eyes,

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Speaker 1: because as we get into today's episode, there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of players out there looking at their current schools,

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Speaker 1: not still the one now, maybe you're not the one

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Speaker 1: for me. So I think we accidentally stumbled on quite

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Speaker 1: a nice segue in the audio world.

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Speaker 2: That's what you call a pro segue, boys and girls,

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Speaker 2: because we certainly did not plan that, but Daniel stuck

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Speaker 2: the landing. Thank you as always for joining me, and

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Speaker 2: All sorts of stuff going on here in theverbawlerhood, Daniel.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep track of it all, and I'm

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Speaker 1: excited for each and every one of those items that

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, as as I'm thinking about my takes on

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Speaker 2: Nauseum about the Bowl games. We did a huge Bowl preview.

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Speaker 2: all of the Bowl games they started playing. Of course,

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Speaker 2: our Winter Wonders confidence pool is well under way. Was

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Speaker 1: And it really sold me on that tie. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: Is the transfer portal. That's also true, the transfer portal.

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Speaker 2: So the transfer portal has been gaining steam, as you know,

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Speaker 2: Here is how we're going to frame this out. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you heard the transfer portal sound. I've had this one

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Speaker 1: To be clear, you're not going to die if you

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Speaker 1: Probably probably not? Yeah, probably not. Yeah. I mean, look

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Speaker 2: Was that the sound when you were underwater and potentially

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Speaker 1: No, I think you're making a decision that like some

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Speaker 1: or the toad suit. Yeah, no, Ty, You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is, though, because this the transfer window,

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Speaker 1: And you're absolutely right, Tie, you end up going down

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Speaker 1: the wrong tube, the wrong portal. Yeah, there it is,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts and you're just hammering, Buddy, you're just hammering

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Speaker 2: We gotta start with quinn Ewers. Let's go quinn yours

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Speaker 2: gotta start with quinn Ewers. So quinn Ewrs was a

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Speaker 2: of high school, very very good. Totally we called this transfer,

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Speaker 2: I feel like after week one of the season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we called a major transfer. Like the Ohio

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Speaker 2: So yeah, quinn Ewers decides, Okay, I'm taking my talents elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: Number one over over from south Lake, Texas, a northern

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Speaker 2: He ended up at ut YEP with Steve Sarkesian. There's

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Speaker 2: no way this can't be positive. Okay, that being said,

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Speaker 2: it is certainly not a slam dunk. It is not

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Speaker 2: fair to lumpquin you. Weres into that, right, But I

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Speaker 2: just don't think it's a slam dunk that him coming

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Speaker 2: aboard is going to take this program to the next level.

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Speaker 2: If he played defense, maybe we could talk. Defense was

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Speaker 1: But I like the move.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's it's anything other than positive. You

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Speaker 2: have to be incredibly excited if you're a Texas fan

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Speaker 2: to get the number one overall recruit from the twenty

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Speaker 2: Let's stay in the Great State of Texas, and let's

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Speaker 2: This is very much a sideways move that at worst

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Speaker 2: We feel about same on that.

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Speaker 1: change of geography, change of coaches, change of pressure. Walking

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Speaker 1: into a place that should have a better offensive line

434
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: and better skill talent. Because the Auburn receiving room wasn't

435
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 1: all that great this year. It's just sort of nobody

436
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 1: emerged as a true number one guy. So the thinking

437
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: is fresh start. You know, it's a new Bonnix. He

438
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: showed signs this year of taking a step forward. And

439
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: he's not throwing into the Georgia defense the Alabama defense. Well,

440
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: he's throwing to the Georgia defense, but throwing into pack

441
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 1: twelve defenses. So it's a more advantageous spot for a quarterback.

442
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 1: My counter argument to that is we're three years into

443
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: the Boennicks experience and he's sort of, for better or worse,

444
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 1: is who he is. So I think it's probably going

445
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: to end up being a sideways experience for Bonicks and Oregon,

446
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: if you have the sound at the ready, what do

447
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: you think?

448
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure it's not a step back.

449
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: Okay for whom?

450
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: For Oregon?

451
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: Okay, they have quarterbacks in the future, at least one

452
00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: that Oregon fans feel good about, TDD Thompson. But yeah,

453
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: I think can be good in a very specific system

454
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 1: where you're not asking him to do too much. Okay,

455
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: what do we know about what Kenny Dillingham's going to do?

456
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: We have any kind of clue as to what that

457
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: scheme is going to look like with him at the helm.

458
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: All I've heard is Dan Lanning had a quote. New

459
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 1: Oregon head coach Dan Lanning had a quote that said,

460
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Speaker 1: just because I have a defensive background doesn't mean we

461
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: won't be airing it out. See that's not what I mean.

462
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: Going to Bone Knicks.

463
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 1: Well, apparently Lane Kiffin wanted bon Nix allegedly, But Lane

464
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: Kiffin has a much better quarterback background than I think

465
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Speaker 1: anybody on the Oregon staff has at the moment.

466
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I mean I was high on bon Knicks

467
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,959
Speaker 2: when he was a true freshman, and I remember his

468
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: first game, and his first game wasn't good, but then

469
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 2: he pulled out some last second heroics, and yeah, such

470
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: began the early legacy of bon Nicks, and it's been

471
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: kind of love hate with him the rest of the way.

472
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 2: He's had flashes and then he's had some pretty low

473
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 2: lows out there. Yeah, this year in particular, this move

474
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: kind of surprised me because bo Nix is a legacy.

475
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: His father went to Auburn, and it seemed as if,

476
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: at least to some extent, he had turned a corner.

477
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 2: And we had talked a year about it being kind

478
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: of like a different bo Knicks, a different bo Knicks,

479
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 2: but not leaning on him as heavily, and it seemed

480
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: like they got more out of him.

481
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: So he definitely took some of those throws against Arkansas.

482
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Speaker 1: It was really impressive.

483
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: I agree, So I thought bo Nix hac quitted himself.

484
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Speaker 1: Well.

485
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Speaker 2: It surprised me to hear that he was leaving, and

486
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: it surprised me even more to hear that Oregon might

487
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 2: want to bring him up there. So, you know, it

488
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 2: reminds me a little bit of the circumstance we just

489
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Speaker 2: talked about with Max Johnson. I don't think bow Knicks

490
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 2: is going to transform this Oregon offense under Kenny Dillingham

491
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 2: into something that it hasn't been. Oregon has been synonymous

492
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: with really good offense, for better or worse, whether that's

493
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: a good comparison or not, ever since Chip Kelly left,

494
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 2: and so I don't think that bow Knicks is going

495
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 2: to get them back to that level. I do think

496
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 2: he can give them some quarterback depth. I do think

497
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: he's better than Anthony Brown, which at the minimum is

498
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: not a bad thing. I am curious though, as to

499
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: how him coming to the Pacific Northwest is going to

500
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: impact the quarterback rope, because, as he said, they they've

501
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 2: got Ty Thompson, who everybody's really excited about. Right. Is

502
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 2: he going to see this and be put off and

503
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: decide that he wants to go into the portal like what.

504
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: He apparently he apparently tweeted out ten toes down, which

505
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: I had to look up what that means. Okay, it

506
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: means you're all in right, your feet are in front

507
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: of you all you know, you're you're sold on the ground,

508
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: you're moving forward, uh not moving away, moving forward, and

509
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: you're you're fully committed.

510
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: I get that. I get that, but you just, especially

511
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: in this era, you worry about any kind of knock

512
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: on effect from this, of course, so it could be

513
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: a situation like we're describing at A and M, where

514
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 2: maybe bo Nix is the starter week one.

515
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he has two years of eligibility, right,

516
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: We got two years eligibility out, so.

517
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 2: I I'm very skittish about turning the reins of a

518
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 2: brand new offense over to Boonix. I felt much better

519
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: about Bonnicks coming back to Auburn after what we saw

520
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: this year, but the fact that he's leaving, right, I

521
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: would almost rather if I were an Oregon fan, have

522
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: a fresh start with ty Thompson. Fresh start, new coordinator, Yeah,

523
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 2: new quarterback, Let's move forward, let's accept some growing pains

524
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: if you really believe in the kid. But bo Nick's

525
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: transforming this thing, I for me kind of feels like

526
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: a step back. I'm not into it.

527
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I get it from the organ

528
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: perspective of needing experience. There's no experience in that quarterback room. Zero.

529
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: Like ty Thompson has played a couple of games in

530
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: garbage time, presumably Kenny Dillingham has either heard or watched

531
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: practice cut ups and said, we need more than this.

532
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: We definitely need more than this, and so I think,

533
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: at worst you're get what you've already seen, and at

534
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: best you're getting an improved situation. So that's why I'm

535
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: going sideways. You were pretty down on bon Nicks for

536
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: the better. Sideways isn't fun. I don't think the bone

537
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: like he was inaccurate. He was inconsistent at best downfield.

538
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: Some of the simple throws he just couldn't make all

539
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: the time, which was a bummer to watch. And you know,

540
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: you're hopeful that now he's going to be a fourth

541
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: year guy that you know there'll be incremental improvement. And

542
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: I know I'm not high on the move at the moment,

543
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: and I like to judge. You know, you listen to

544
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: even rational Auburn fans because they do exist, and they're like, well,

545
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: that's the Bonix experience, which is kind of how I

546
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: felt about the Mario Cristo Baal and lack of finding

547
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: a quarterback experience last year. So I'm not excited. I'm

548
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: not excited, but I can see the architecture. I can

549
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: see the framing of how it works out, at least

550
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: in a positive way. I'm just not there.

551
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Dylan Gee, Let's talk about another PAC

552
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 2: twelve transfer, Dylan Gabriel transferring out from UCF going to UCLA.

553
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: This is a big move.

554
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: So Dylan Gabriel through for thirty six hundred yards his

555
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: first year, almost thirty six hundred yards a second year

556
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: as over sixty touchdown passes to just eleven interceptions, and

557
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: two full seasons got hurt earlier in the year for UCF.

558
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: Has decided that he's going to UCLA, which is a

559
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: really interesting move for Chip Kelly. He's a smaller guy,

560
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: he's five to eleven, he's one eighty six. He's definitely

561
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 2: not a runner. So it's a different kind of quarterback

562
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: than DTR, but undeniably better passer, undeniably better passer, much

563
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: more consistent on that side of things. Again, for a situation,

564
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: I think, for sure would be more helpful if he

565
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: could play defense. But as quarterback play goes, I don't

566
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: think there's any two ways about this being a clear

567
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: and immediate upgrade over what they've had. And d TR

568
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: was okay at his moments. He was inconsistent, but DTR,

569
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: I think, all things considered, was it took a step

570
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: forward this year.

571
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: He was fine.

572
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it was okay, I really like this move.

573
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: I just I'm I'm unclear as to how he fits

574
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: into the offense and what the offense will look like.

575
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: Right, But outside of that, to.

576
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: Get a talent like a Dylan Gabriel, I think it's

577
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: just like a huge dub for Chip Kelly.

578
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. The question to me is because UCF had legit

579
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: strong receivers these past couple of years, and this was

580
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: an offense under Josh Hipel that was bombing it deep,

581
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: UCLA doesn't have those guys. Now, maybe they don't. Dylan

582
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: Gabriel made those guys, but probably not because they've you know,

583
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: Kyle Phillips is fine, but I think Kyle Phillips is

584
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: probably the third or fourth best receiver on a really

585
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: strong team. And if he's your number one guy, it's

586
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: Greg Dulcich the tight end. Impressive, But who's Dylan Gabriel

587
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: throwing to. Are they bringing other receivers into the portal?

588
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: Are their guys coming in as true freshman this year

589
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: that they feel like are going to immediately step in

590
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: and be part of a lethal offense. I kind of

591
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: get it from Dylan Gabriel's perspective in that you're from Hawaii,

592
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly's guy. With Marcus Mariota, you're a lot closer

593
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: to home. You can step into the starting role a

594
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: lot more easily. I get it from his perspective of

595
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: just like fresh start. You know, Gus Malzan doesn't recruit him.

596
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not a fit, whatever, But I don't know.

597
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: Maybe it's it's the Green and Yellow in me saying

598
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: like why wouln't you just go to Oregon? Then why

599
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: weren't you Just it's a new coach and obviously you know,

600
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly has the cachet as an offensive mine much

601
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: more so than whatever Kenny Dillingham. I don't even know

602
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: if that was even official, But like, I don't know,

603
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: if you want to go to the West Coast, I

604
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, I mean, ASU wasn't making a change,

605
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: but USC, I don't know, it seems like there were

606
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they're high on Jackson Dart, but

607
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: I don't know the UCLA offensive situation. They ran the

608
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: ball pretty well at times, and so maybe that opens

609
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: things up, but even still, like who are you thrown to?

610
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: Who's protecting you? And maybe it improves I know their

611
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator is a big offensive line guy and a

612
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: well respected dude in that world. I don't know. I

613
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: think UCLA has a severe lack of winter wonders that. Yeah,

614
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: I think it's going to become a shorter field than

615
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel's used to. Yeah, that will be interesting, And

616
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: I think that's my question as well, because without the

617
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: receiving talent, there is an open question as to how

618
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: much they can utilize that arm talent from Dylan Gabriel.

619
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: I still like the move. I still think it's a

620
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: great move. And if you've been following the portal as

621
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: we have, there was a lot of smoke that Spencer

622
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: Ratler was going to end up at Easter, which we'll

623
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: talk about Spencer Ratler going to South Carolina momentarily here,

624
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: But so you know to what degree those two players

625
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: had influence over where one went or didn't go. That

626
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: remains to be seen. But Dylan Gabriel to Ucla, in

627
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: my some questions, might not take them all the way

628
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: to World eight, but can it take them like two

629
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: or three worlds in the future. Can it give them

630
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: something of a lift on offense. I think it's one

631
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: less thing you have to worry about because it's definitely

632
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: an upgrade in the consistency department at quarterback, totally absent

633
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: of what the offense actually looks like. I think it's

634
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: just a better player. There is an injury concern there,

635
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 2: and he is a bit of a smaller dude, so

636
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: I think you worry about that a little bit. It's

637
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: not something that I'm going to go hook line and

638
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: sinker for, but I think it's definitely a positive direction

639
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: here for UCLA.

640
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: Good move, Jake Bobo transferring in from Duke wide receiver CLA. Okay,

641
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: well that does it then, son of Mike, I think

642
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: the same Mike Bobo.

643
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 2: I don't know.

644
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: We'll see, We'll see. You would really love for UCLA

645
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: to to find more receiving talent in the portal uh,

646
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: to maximize what del and Gabriel can be because.

647
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: Are you saying sideways? Are you saying step forward for whom?

648
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Speaker 2: For UCLA?

649
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: Step forward? For sure? I think Dylan Gabriel is definitely

650
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: a step forward from dtr.

651
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 2: Let's go over to Spencer Rattler. Yes, first question, is

652
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: he an upgrade over Zebede Yadaya Nol?

653
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, this is an upgrade over anybody in Colombia.

654
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: I agree This was quite a surprising move mm hmm.

655
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: When Spencer Rattler announced he's going to South Carolina along

656
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: with Austin Stoner, I believes how you say the name,

657
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: okay tight end from Oklahoma, both those guys coming over.

658
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: South Carolina's offense was atrocious last year, just atrocious. A

659
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: lot of that stem from a bad offensive line, but

660
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: the cupboard was bare. They just did not have the

661
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: skill talent that could help this offense take a step forward.

662
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: Shane Beemer still managed to get him to Bowl, which

663
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: was a hell of a job. So I think if

664
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: you look at the roster, clearly Spencer Rattler is the

665
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: best player on the offense. He's best player on the

666
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 2: offense immediately he steps in, and he's got a skill

667
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: set that nobody else possesses in Columbia. So that in

668
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: and of itself is incredible. He's going to be a

669
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: huge upgrade over quarterback. It may not catapult them to

670
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: nine and three, they're in the SEC East, but it

671
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: definitely brings some much needed stability to that quarterback position. So,

672
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 2: if ever there were a move in this cycle of transfers,

673
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 2: my assumption is that Spencer Ratler going to South Carolina

674
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: with how bad their offense was. That's like a quantum

675
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: leap forward. I mean, you're not jumping from World one

676
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: to World six, you're jumping from Mario one to Mario three.

677
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: That's a huge step forward for shine Bee.

678
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's huge. It's a huge upgrade. I hesitate to

679
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: think it's an amazing move for Spencer Rattler given the

680
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: offensive line struggles and the pressure that those quarterbacks were

681
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: under last year. You know, I think it was, but

682
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: Josh Van emerged as the number one receiver for South Carolina.

683
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: But I don't know, it just seems like a worst

684
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: version of the issues he added Oklahoma behind that offensive

685
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: line and lack of a clear number one playmaker out wide.

686
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Maybe it's there's a personality conflict

687
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: between Spencer Rattler and the top of the sport, but

688
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 1: it does feel like a pretty significant downgrade in terms

689
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: of situation. It's definitely a downgrade. Yeah, it's definitely a downgrade.

690
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: But I get see I understand this move more for

691
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 1: him than I understand the Max Johnson move. Yeah, because

692
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: I just feel like, if you're Max Johnson, you're stepping

693
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: into a hornet's nest where you're constantly gonna have to

694
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: shake guys off week in and week out.

695
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: You may not even be the opening day starter.

696
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: Probably will Who is the big threat? Is it Haines King?

697
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 2: It could be Haines King, It could be there they're

698
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: incoming freshmen. I don't know.

699
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: Well, I mean every top freshman is going to be

700
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: the object of every fans design Hey, every four or

701
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: five star quarterback.

702
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: But okay, so case in point, Yeah, maybe he starts

703
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: day one for A and M. Yeah, but what about

704
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 2: week four? There's going to be a constant threat because

705
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: those guys don't want to sit behind Max Johnson. And

706
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: they're really talented, at least we think so. I understand

707
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 2: why A and M would want to do it. But

708
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: if you're Max Johnson, why do you put yourself in

709
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: that situation where if you truly want to go and

710
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: play and develop, if you want to play it though,

711
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: there's always where do you go? I mean, he could

712
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: have gone to South Carolina, he could have gone somewhere.

713
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: Would you rather if you are good, if you're a

714
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: B B plus quarterback or whatever the best of Max

715
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: Johnson is, would you rather go to South Carolina or

716
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: roll the dice with A and M, like you would

717
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: get drilled at South Carolina as a quarterback, and a

718
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: lot of them did this here.

719
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Speaker 2: I just don't understand why, if you're transferring, you wouldn't

720
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: go to a place where you know you're going to

721
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: play and you're not have that much competition.

722
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: From what I've heard, Spencer Rattler to ASU seemed like

723
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: that was going to be the clear path, given where

724
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: he's from. And then Jayden Daniels said no, I'm coming back,

725
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: and AAC was like, what now, what's going on? You're what?

726
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 1: And so I think that was probably what was going

727
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: to happen. I think he had inquired with some Pack

728
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: twelve schools that looked to be trying to upgrade at quarterback,

729
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, it wasn't Oregon, it wasn't sc

730
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't UCLA. There was strong UCLA buzz with Spencer Ratler,

731
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: and they decided that they were going Dylan Gabriel or

732
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: that just came through a little bit quicker than anticipated.

733
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: Whatever had heard some things about Oregon that you know,

734
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: there was conversations there, but maybe that got scuttled for

735
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: whatever reason. So I don't know. South Carolina might have

736
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: been like his eleventh choice, who knows.

737
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: But at least he's gonna play. This is a guy,

738
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 2: oh yeah, was a preseason Heisman favorite. It didn't work out.

739
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: We know that story by now. But at least he's

740
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: gonna play. They're gonna make him the centerpiece of that offense.

741
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: And they may not win ten games, they may not

742
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: win eight games next year. And the line was bad,

743
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 2: really bad this season. So he's gonna have his work

744
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: cut out for him. For sure. He will be running

745
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 2: for his life. Maybe not as bad as like zeb Nolan,

746
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: but nonetheless he's gonna have his work cut out for him.

747
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: I just you know he's gonna play. He's gonna get

748
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: the reps unless he gets hurt. There's not really gonna

749
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: be a clear competitor, and so it just seems like

750
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: a path of least resistance if in fact your main

751
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: goal is to make sure you get playing time.

752
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: Who's a quarterback away though? Right? Who? Who could have

753
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler? This is bad English? But who is Who's like, Okay,

754
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: this guy makes sense. We don't have a killer at quarterback.

755
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: We know Spencer Ratler. Ceiling is excellence, just a crazy

756
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: good arm and has been able to lead you know,

757
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: one of the Big Twelve his first year as a

758
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: starter as a red shirt freshman. Like who is that team?

759
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: Or just like, okay, this is the plug and play

760
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: Florida State. I don't think they're just a quarterback away. No,

761
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech. Like you look, I don't know who it

762
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: is that. There are a lot of interesting quarterback openings.

763
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: North Carolina has a quarterback of the future post Sam Howell.

764
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: Like is Baylor a quarterback away to stay in the conference?

765
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I mean the best of Gary

766
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: Bohannon's interesting. I won the conference without amazing quarterback play.

767
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: Good quarterback play. Kansas State. That's Skyler Thompson.

768
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: Adrian Martinez.

769
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: Now did he go to Kansas State? I mean we

770
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: see that. Yeah, oh okay, yeah, there are schools that

771
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: could improve at quarterback. But you're like, why would you

772
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: want to be the Iowa quarterback? Right, Like that's that's

773
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: no fun. So I don't I don't know who that

774
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: school is. That's what That's sort of the broader point

775
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: that like they're loaded at receiver, They've got good running backs,

776
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: a good offensive line, the defense holds its own. They

777
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: just need a quarterback. I guess you could make the

778
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: case for Oregon with how they've recruited the past couple

779
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: of year, but it's a big old question mark with

780
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: a new staff. So yeah, I mean there there are

781
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: like we can talk LSU Notre Dame, but I don't

782
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: know if they're you know, the reports of Spencer Rattler

783
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: being a little prickly. I don't know if there's personality

784
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 1: fits everywhere. Yeah, this is a huge deal for South Carolina. Yeah,

785
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: it's huge. It's huge.

786
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 2: It may not work, but it's a huge deal for

787
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: South Carolina for the offense and certainly for Shane Beemer. Yeah,

788
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: what a job he did in year one. Rattler also

789
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: stuff like all these guys and he gets in his

790
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: experience in Oklahoma helps.

791
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

792
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I love to move for him. I don't

793
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: fully understand it from the Spencer Rattler perspective, but he's

794
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: going to get playing time, which I think is most

795
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: important because he wants to go to the NFL. Yeah,

796
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: all right, where do you want to go next? What

797
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: other transfers drew your ire man? You know, I feel

798
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 2: great about Jamir and his overall talent. I can do

799
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 2: this in the rank of twenty four to seven. Ranked

800
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: it in terms of transfer rating, not high school rating,

801
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: whether or not they've gone up or down, or a

802
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: state around the same level. So the top looks like

803
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: what Quinn yours. Eli Rix moves on from LSU Tobama,

804
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: which is just ridiculous.

805
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: B Yu gets a top offensive tackle commit in Kingsley Swamattaya.

806
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: I think that's how you pronounce Oregon didn't play any

807
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: meaningful football. I don't believe for Oregon is from the

808
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: state of Utah. Jamiir Gibbs is also rumored for Alabama.

809
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: Zach Evans was an all everything running back who committed

810
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: to like seven different schools coming out of high school.

811
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: He entered the portal from TCU, but they seem to

812
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: be like they're in okay shape at running back. Cameron

813
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: Ward is the next one. I couldn't tell you that

814
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: much about him, but he was add incarnate word and

815
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: was a I think a Walter Payton Award winning quarterback.

816
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: So could be an intriguing, you know, Vernon Adams type

817
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: story for somebody. Jaden Hazelwood already made the move from

818
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: Oklahoma to Arkansas, which, given Traylon Burks leaving early, could

819
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: step right in and become a force for the Hogs.

820
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: Otherwise I don't know. Like in terms of huge names

821
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: like Keaton Slovis, there was a report about Notre Dame.

822
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: Is Notre Dame a school with a new coach with

823
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, Tyler Buckner being promising, but certainly didn't come

824
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: in and be like, yep, he is the guy for

825
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: the next four years. Like, would you be anti Notre

826
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: Dame bringing in a higher profile type quarterback into that room?

827
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: I guess not. I I'm not a huge Keaton Slovis fan, Okay,

828
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: but is he better than Buckner? Maybe at the stage yet,

829
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: I mean they have different skill sets. Buckner is more

830
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 2: of a dual threat guy slo He's going to hang

831
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 2: in the pocket and he's been good in yeah, relatively

832
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: good in an air raid style system, so you know

833
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: he can throw. I just don't know what the full, unadulterated,

834
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: unencumbered Tommy Reese's experience is going to look like. I

835
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 2: don't know what unencumbered by Brian Kelly's influence that is. Yeah,

836
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what that's going to look like,

837
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 2: so I A think I try and air it out more.

838
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, we had an open question

839
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 2: all year long as to who are Jack Cone slash

840
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 2: Buckner's targets out wide, and it took them at least

841
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: three quarters of the way through the season to start

842
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: figuring out who those were outside of Michael Maher and

843
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: I still don't you know, Kevin Austin came into his

844
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: own down the stretch. I still don't know if we've

845
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: got any great depth at that receiver position going into

846
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: twenty two. Right, So there is an open question, like

847
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: we've asked with some of these other guys, who would

848
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: slowest be throwing to I. You know, I could throw

849
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: names out, but until one of them sticks out there

850
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 2: on the field, it's really just speculation.

851
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: I guess I'm okay with it. I guess so I

852
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: think he's I think he's pretty good. I think And

853
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: this is something Ryan Abraham touched on on our USC

854
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: deep Dive, was we do sort of talk about like

855
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: what happened to the offense like and he mentioned like

856
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: Drake London, for as amazing as he was, led the

857
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: nation in contested catches, because this offense became very easily

858
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: defensed people figured out Graham Harrell like drop into his

859
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: own do as much as you can to confuse Keten Slovas,

860
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: and he's either gonna check down or he's gonna have

861
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: to throw into contested spaces. And so if Tommy Reese

862
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: is a better offensive mind with obviously more continuity and

863
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: doesn't have a fired head coach two games into the

864
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: year or whatever, which he won't, then Keiden Slovas might

865
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: be in a better position to succeed. Like is Keeton

866
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: Slovas that is he that much worse than Jack Cone?

867
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,959
Speaker 1: Like I think Jack Cone's pretty good. I think Keyton

868
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: Slovas is pretty good. And so you run the risk

869
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: of driving somebody away like Tyler Buckner. But I don't know.

870
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: I think Keten Slovas is a pretty good Bilow candidate

871
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: to be honest, like his his ceiling. And maybe it's

872
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: not a fit with Notre Dame, maybe it's a fit

873
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: some or else, but I think that USC offense got

874
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: pretty stale pretty quickly, and especially given the changes, the

875
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: constant change in La No, I think Slovas could be

876
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: like an interesting answer for somebody, not necessarily a quarterback away,

877
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: but somebody pretty large with like a Virginia Tech or

878
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: something like that. Now that you know Braxton Burmeister, who

879
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: I was never all that high on, now that that

880
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: seems to be a pretty open room, Like there are

881
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: interesting places that Keton Slovas would give them like a

882
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: definitive upgrade or as a bridge between, you know, a

883
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: previous era to the next big thing. So I'm okay

884
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: with Keithan. Maybe it's Arizona. I don't know he's from Arizona,

885
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: but uh no, I think I think you can do

886
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 1: a lot worse than Keten Slovas.

887
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: You can definitely do worse in Keaton Slovis. Don't listen

888
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: to me. I'm biased. I've always wanted to sell I've

889
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: always wanted to see more of Tyler Buckner. Yeah, I've

890
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 2: always wanted to see more of Buckner. And perhaps I've

891
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: fallen victim to what we described earlier, the freshman quarterback

892
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 2: always being the most popular guy in the quarterback.

893
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: But here's here's the thing too, And you're right, the

894
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: coaches are at practice. The coaches have that tape, and

895
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: Tyler Buckner was given reps, like meaningful reps this year,

896
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: and the coaches felt like he's not the guy like

897
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: Jack Cone, didn't establish himself really until the latter part

898
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: of the season, right Brian Kelly was shuffling, you know,

899
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: series is whatever Drew Pine was getting time. Tyler Buckner

900
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to be the guy this year, and

901
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: it's okay that he wasn't. He was a freshman, but

902
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: they know what they have in him, for better or worse,

903
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: and they started kicking the tires on Keaton Slovas pretty

904
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: early on after Slovas announced his intentions to enter the portal.

905
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

906
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 1: I would imagine Tommy Reese knows what he has.

907
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 2: I would assume, So yeah, I would assume. So it'll

908
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: be interesting to see. I mean, Notre Dame would be.

909
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: I'm sure interested in a guy like a Slovas, and

910
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: I'm sure there will be other programs well, because he

911
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: is definitely a guy who came in I think as

912
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: a three star and has improved his stock. He's gotten

913
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: better now. This past season wasn't necessarily his finest work,

914
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: but there were circumstances there and I still do think

915
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: he's pretty talented. There was a moment in time where

916
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: people were talking up Keaton Slovas as a top ten

917
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: NFL quarterback. Sure, I don't think I'm quite as high

918
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: on him as that, but the talent is there. The

919
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: talent is evident, and yeah, you're bringing a guy like that,

920
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a bad move. So I'm talking

921
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 2: myself into it, even though I still want to see

922
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: more out of Tyler Buckner. Some others really that we

923
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 2: could mention. I talked about Adrian Martinez. He just announced,

924
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: I think over the weekend or before this past weekend,

925
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: that he's going to go to Kansas State, which is

926
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: an interesting move for him, if only because what we've

927
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: seen at k State is they find ways to take

928
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: a playmaker at quarterback and basically make it the entire offense.

929
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: And he's sort of been doing that.

930
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: Sure at Nebraska, perhaps he'll have a little bit more

931
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: support around him at case State, but I kind of

932
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: like that move for him. It doesn't feel like it's

933
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 2: a fish out of water at all. Like I think

934
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: that's a decent move on both sides.

935
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: I think what we've seen historically under Chris Climban, whoever,

936
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: a Kansas State team with above average quarterback play is

937
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: gonna win eight games, like they just are, and if

938
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: that's what Adrian Martinez brings, they're gonna win. I do

939
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: disagree that they're building the whole thing because Kansas State's

940
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: building the whole thing out of the shortest running back

941
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: take of long right. So I don't think this was

942
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: a Skyler Thompson centric offense necessarily, But I definitely think

943
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: Adrian Martinez would be an upgrade over Will Howard or

944
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: whoever else is in that room. And so that's fair.

945
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: It does seem like this is a prime example, maybe

946
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: similar to bo Nicks. They're just like, you know, you

947
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: put in your time, it didn't work out. There's all

948
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: this baggage from your time there. You just need. You

949
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: need to move conferences, you need to move schools, you

950
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: need an entire different plays and see what's what. And

951
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 1: so I think I think it's an upgrade to me. Yeah,

952
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: I think kinds of the state has enough infrastructure in

953
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: place that a talented quarterback can thrive.

954
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the other thing that I think Adrian Martinez

955
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: can benefit from is whatever kind of discipline Chris Climan

956
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: teaches at Kansas State. It has been kind of a

957
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: staple of that program ever since the bill Snyder Era. Yeah,

958
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 2: but this is not really a program that shoots itself

959
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: in the foot.

960
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.

961
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 2: They're really sound with the fundamentals, and Adrian Martinez could

962
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: benefit a lot from fewer mistakes in his game.

963
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: So we'll root for.

964
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: Him, you know, we'll root for him and see what

965
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: he can do at k State. I don't know if

966
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: it's official yet, but there seems to be a lot

967
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 2: of smoke on Casey Thompson going from Texas to TCU

968
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: makes sense, makes a lot of sense. Obviously, another Texas

969
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 2: kid would throw the crap out of the ball.

970
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: A very friendly quarterback coach.

971
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, for Sunny Dyke's so that would be an interesting

972
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: spot for him to land. I think I left my

973
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: move as well, Michael Penix to Washington given his familiarity

974
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: with Kaylen de Boor.

975
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts.

976
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if we're ever going to capture that

977
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 2: Michael Pennock's magic from twenty twenty.

978
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't think we are.

979
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 2: I get it, I get the connection, but I don't

980
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: We're like three injuries down the road from that twenty

981
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: twenty season for Michael Pennix. I get it from his perspective,

982
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: trying to recapture the magic. But I don't know, if

983
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: you're a Washington fan, are you excited about this?

984
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: It was also just kind of a disastrous year for

985
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: Indiana football, and Michael Penick's just unfortunately, it is injury

986
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: prone and it might just be dumb luck. It probably

987
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: is just dumb luck. But now you're running the risk

988
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: if Kaylen de Boor is not a Sam Hewart fan.

989
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: He is the quarterback of the future, the legacy of

990
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: the five s our guy, and came in in the

991
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: Apple Cup and threw a whole bunch of interceptions. And

992
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if that just you run the risk

993
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: of driving somebody like that away, or if that even matters.

994
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 1: But no, I think unfortunately, our opinion, or at least

995
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: the mainstream viewpoint, as far as I can tell, viewpoint

996
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: of Michael Pennix's. He dove in for a touchdown against

997
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: Penn State, and he lit up Ohio State. But around

998
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: those edges, he hasn't been amazing. He hasn't been a

999
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: game changer, and it might just be because he's been

1000
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: beat up. I get that that you're banking on a

1001
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: healthy fresh start, I get it, But yeah, I don't know.

1002
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't know how high I am on that decision.

1003
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: Another situation like who's he throwing to? Who's he throwing to?

1004
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: A Washington The offensive line history has been good there,

1005
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: but who's he throwing to? So that's that's sort of

1006
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 1: what I worry about.

1007
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: OK.

1008
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: Do you have big picture? I don't know if there

1009
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: are any other players you want to specifically talk about.

1010
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: I just I want to call out a few that

1011
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 2: are still at Harrison. Billy Transferring out of Tennessee was

1012
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: a big name when he stepped foot on campus. Was

1013
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: big time recruit Jack Miller. We mentioned Jack Miller earlier

1014
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: from Ohio State. He is also in the portal. Chubb

1015
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: a party yep. Once considered to yeah, be the quarterback

1016
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: of the future of Florida State. Clearly not going to

1017
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 2: be at Florida State. Tommy DeVito going to Illinois? Okay

1018
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: from Syracuse our boy Tommy DEFIEDO. Yeah, Jack Sears transferring again?

1019
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: Saw that?

1020
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: Yeah? From Boise. Yeah. Hank Bachmeyer in his fourteenth year

1021
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: of eligibility yep ocralis North Carolina SMU promising receiver. Yeah.

1022
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: What do you feel about the reality of where the

1023
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: transfer portal is in the sports. I'm not asking you

1024
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: if it's like is it good or bad and be

1025
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: like an absolutist about it. But this is a reality

1026
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: that we are talking about football coaching changes, recruiting and

1027
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: a portal as ways. And you know, I talked to

1028
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: Brandon Huffman a little bit about it. How there are

1029
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,479
Speaker 1: like portal specific coordinators just monitoring who's good in the sport,

1030
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: who's entered into the portal whatever. I guess a tampering

1031
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: coordinator if you're gonna believe certain methods.

1032
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 2: See, that's that's a job. Not the tampering coordinator, No, no,

1033
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 2: I know, but the portal coordinator. That's a job you

1034
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: and I could do, don't you think?

1035
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: I feel like we'd be good at that. We would

1036
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: need to meet many more high school coaches to be like,

1037
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: well just going under the portal, could you? Yeah, we'd

1038
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: have to figure that.

1039
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 2: Let me let me make the Google sheet for the

1040
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: portal coordinator.

1041
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: Let me do that that I could do.

1042
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 2: I would enjoy that.

1043
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: That's that's totally good. You can do that. But it

1044
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: is it is a reality, right that, Like this is

1045
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: how roster construction works. Now in twenty twenty two, and

1046
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: moving forward. So my question to you is do you

1047
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: like it?

1048
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 3: Not?

1049
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: Do you think it should exist? Because that we're too

1050
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: far into that, right, the immediate eligibility, the movement of

1051
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: quarterbacks when it doesn't work out, when they don't get

1052
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: the job or any position, right, whether they're disappointed, or

1053
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: they're homesick, or their girlfriend goes somewhere else. Like, there

1054
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: are a number of reasons why guys enter into a portal,

1055
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: But do is it something that you are finding yourself

1056
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: interested in and or good for the sport? Whether or

1057
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: not you know it's going anywhere.

1058
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 2: Well, good good for the sport goes out the window, right, yeah,

1059
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 2: good good for the sport. That's we could talk for

1060
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: another hour and a half as to what's good for

1061
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 2: the sport and what isn't. Yeah, I yeah, I am

1062
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: very fascinated by it. I am, I am completely fascinated

1063
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: by it because it is, in effect college football free agency. Sure,

1064
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 2: it's free agency. Yeah. And whether or not you're of

1065
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: the dabbo mindset that there are adult men who are

1066
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: who are manipulating and tampering with the process and and

1067
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: lying to student athletes, you know that you can certainly

1068
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 2: have that mindset if you want to. But it's hard

1069
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 2: for me to take a completely unbiased view of what

1070
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: the portal does for us, because all too often we

1071
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 2: come to this point in the season or even into January,

1072
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 2: or at some point in the low lows of the offseason,

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00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 2: and we don't have anything to talk about. And what

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00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: I see happening is college football very much going the

1075
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 2: way of the NFL, where we find ways on the

1076
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 2: margins here to extend the talking points, whether it's through

1077
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 2: the portal, whether it's through nil, whether it's through conference realignment,

1078
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: whether it's through coaching movement, whether it's through potential playoff expansion.

1079
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: All of these things that exist on the periphery of

1080
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 2: the sport that have growing influence. There's media rights, there

1081
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: are all these things that kind of add depth to

1082
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: the discussion year round that this is very clearly turning

1083
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: into a year round sport, much the way the NFL

1084
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: has gone over the last decade plus. And so at

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00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 2: least from that standpoint is somebody who considers himself a

1086
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 2: super fan, I'm no expert, but I am okay with

1087
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 2: it because it gives us more to talk about in

1088
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 2: the college football side. It also changes dynamics a fair amount.

1089
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: It does upset the balance of the sport, at least

1090
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 2: as we've come to known it over the last you know,

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00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 2: thirty years. Guys can up and leave if they're unhappy

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00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: with a coach, leaving, a playing situation, a new scheme,

1093
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 2: what have you just isn't working out. Maybe they're homesick,

1094
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 2: as you said before. So that ability for a player

1095
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: to take control of his future, his destiny in college football,

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00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: that is a new dynamic. And I love new dynamics

1097
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: because I think it forces the Alabamas and the Clemsons

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00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 2: and the power brokers in the sport to rejigger their mindset.

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Speaker 2: So I'm okay with it. I think it makes things interesting.

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Speaker 2: I am fascinated by the portal this year more than

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00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 2: ever because we've seen so much high profile movement. Is

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00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 2: it good for the sport long term? I don't know

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00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 2: long term. We can talk about that in May, but

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00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 2: for now, yeah, it's fascinating. It's fascinating to see so

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00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: many big names of the moves. That's a rattler to

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00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: South Carolina. Come on, how is that not an interesting story?

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Speaker 1: That's an interesting story. There are a certain amount of

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00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: quarterback or whatever position movement, if that they're filling in

1109
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,959
Speaker 1: a gap, or if they're giving a team that isn't

1110
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: traditionally able to recruit and sign top level players, right

1111
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: that it spreads the talent around, which is probably a

1112
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: good thing for the sport. But justin Fields to Ohio State,

1113
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams and Henry to Toe to Alabama right like

1114
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: they're also like, we didn't know it at the time,

1115
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: but Joe Burrow to LSU, it was amazing. It was

1116
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: amazing for Joe Burrows, amazing for LSU was a maging

1117
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: for a college football viewer like myself and yourself and

1118
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: everybody listening to the show. It's great. But I am

1119
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: of the mindset like two things can be true at once,

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Speaker 1: like fairs fair coaches can move freely, players to be

1121
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: able to move freely. I totally get that. I think

1122
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: we're we have entered into a phase where if you

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00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: are anything but fully supportive of every single right a

1124
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: player could or should have, then you're looked at as

1125
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: being like you're for the institutions whatever. I think it's

1126
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: kind of a bummer. I think all of this player

1127
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: movement is great for the players, and it's kind of

1128
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: a bummer for fans because college football is already an

1129
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: impossible sport to follow, right, like between recruiting, between weird

1130
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: bowl games, between how the playoff gets decided, Like it

1131
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: would be kind of impossible if somebody if we just

1132
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: met somebody, if we were at a restaurant and we

1133
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: met somebody from Osaka, and they're like, oh, college football,

1134
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: what's that all about? Like it would be impossible to

1135
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: explain to them the details. Now, certain things are true

1136
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: in other sports where it'd be like, how do you

1137
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: explain a cap hit or dead money to somebody who

1138
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: wants to be an NFL fan? Or like you can

1139
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: buy a player in soccer, but you got to return him.

1140
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: Like there are things in every sport where it's just like, yeah,

1141
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 1: it's a soliverble but he hasn't signed, Like OK, what right?

1142
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: It makes college football more difficult to follow because these

1143
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: guys are only going to be the top guys are

1144
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: there for three years, maybe four years, and so when

1145
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: you have players moving around, like it's just it's harder

1146
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: to keep track of names. And I know that was

1147
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: the complaint with the one and done stuff with college basketball,

1148
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: but for the health of the sport. It's good to

1149
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: root for the same players on the same teams for

1150
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: multiple years. And so it is a bummer that Jamier

1151
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: Gibbs couldn't make it work in Georgia Tech and be

1152
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: like that flashy, amazing running back that led Georgia Tech

1153
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: to Bowl eligibility and eight nine wins whatever. And I

1154
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: get why he's leaving because he should play on the

1155
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: biggest stage possible given his talents and ceiling. But yeah,

1156
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: it's still a little bit sad to me. It's still

1157
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: a little bit sad to me that like the whole

1158
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,439
Speaker 1: sport gets thrown into a you know, the Christmas globe whatever,

1159
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: the snow globe every December, between the coaches, between the players,

1160
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: and just like it's very difficult unless you do this

1161
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: for a living or you are on like the college

1162
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: football subreddit all day every day to keep track of

1163
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: the sport. It just it makes it a more difficult experience.

1164
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 2: It makes it harder. And it's a really great with

1165
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 2: a ton of turnover and new names coming into the

1166
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 2: sport every year. I think, you know, just broadly speaking,

1167
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: I think the real downside to all this movement is

1168
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: that at the end of the day, you've got eighteen

1169
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: to twenty two year old kids making these big decisions

1170
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 2: about where they want to go and play totally, and

1171
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 2: you know, you can use NFL free agency as a guide.

1172
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 2: Not all those guys work out. At least they get paid. Yeah,

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01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 2: But even in that case where you've got agents and

1174
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 2: people working on your behalf, there's no guarantees that it's

1175
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 2: going to work out right. And you may want to

1176
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,959
Speaker 2: be a skeptic and say that kids are chasing andiel money.

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01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 2: In some cases, that may be what's going on. In

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01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 2: most cases, that won't be the case. In most cases,

1179
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 2: they're looking for playing time. And when you chase playing time,

1180
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: oftentimes things happen, You get hurt, other guys step up,

1181
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 2: there's always a better recruit.

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01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: That's just always a gamble. It's always going to be

1183
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: a gam It feels like.

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01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: It feels like the transfer portal. If we're gonna draw

1185
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: the comparison between the rough comparison between the NFL and

1186
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 2: free agency and what we've got going on now in

1187
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 2: college football, it just seems to me like transferring to

1188
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 2: a faraway place, or maybe you've got some familiarity, but

1189
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 2: there's no safety net whatsoever. There's just a huge risk there.

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01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 2: There's much greater risk to you as a nineteen year

1191
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 2: old or twenty year old quarterback from Ohio State than

1192
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: if you're a pro. You're at least getting compensated to

1193
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 2: go elsewhere.

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01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm totally with you, and it's a gamble

1195
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: and hopefully you know, fingers crossed. Every one of these

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01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: kids entering the portal is getting sound advice and using

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01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: as many people in their lives as a sounding board

1198
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,479
Speaker 1: as humanly possible, right, because you're gonna get good advice,

1199
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna get bad advice. And for their sake, I

1200
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: hope they're is a lot of was it radical transparency,

1201
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: radical honesty? Right that they're like, look, you're a good player,

1202
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to see you as a starting

1203
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: SEC quarterback. Perhaps don't waste your time with that. There

1204
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: are certain things that people need to hear. And you know,

1205
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: of course a guy is going to bet on himself,

1206
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: right they told me I couldn't do it, and look

1207
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: where I am. Now, sure that's cool too, but at

1208
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: least hear those voices. At least get those voices. And

1209
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: if everybody's telling you the same thing, like Okay, I

1210
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: want to start going to James Madison and I'm gonna

1211
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: thrive there. I'm gonna go to Jacksonville State, I'm gonna

1212
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: go wherever. I'm gonna go to Northern Illinois. But it's

1213
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: all it's life, man, Life is risk, life is a gamble,

1214
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: and so I guess you hope that they put them

1215
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: all these players put themselves in the best possible position

1216
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: to get fortunate. But otherwise, I don't know. I think

1217
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of disappointed people as this

1218
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: moves forward. All these guys that we discussed today.

1219
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 2: Won't hit, Yeah, they won't hit.

1220
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: No, no, they won't hit.

1221
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 2: For every Russell Wilson.

1222
01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's.

1223
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 2: You know, any number of guys who are going to

1224
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 2: the portal and it just doesn't it doesn't work out.

1225
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 2: They don't take immediately. So it will be interesting to

1226
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 2: see there are there are some big names that are

1227
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 2: still out there. We'll do our best to cover it here.

1228
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 2: But it is growing. It is growing, yeah, and every

1229
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 2: year I think it'll be a little bit more active.

1230
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 2: So right in we are at soliverbotgmail dot com. Let

1231
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 2: us know your thoughts. You can also comment on this

1232
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 2: here episode on Twitter, on Instagram, on Facebook. Let us

1233
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 2: know your thoughts, how you feel about the transfer portal,

1234
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: how you feel about some of these specific moves. Of course,

1235
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: we'll be posting clips of this show out to social media.

1236
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 2: You can listen to this show and all of our shows.

1237
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: You can also watch this episode in its entirety if

1238
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: you go on out to Verballers dot com. That is

1239
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 2: our patreon. Otherwise, Dan, Yeah, we've got a show that

1240
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 2: we're going to drop. I guess Santa themed on Friday,

1241
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 2: correct with it being Christmas, So get excited for that.

1242
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 2: Next week, we're gonna do our New Year's six and

1243
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 2: playoff previews. We'll dive into a little bit more detail

1244
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 2: about our feelings about those games. So those eight games

1245
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 2: or seven get whatever it amounts to, We're going to

1246
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 2: talk about those in much much more detail on Monday.

1247
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 2: Get you ready for the Bowl season ahead.

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Speaker 1: Ty, I added a sound to my soundboard without listening

1249
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: to it. Okay, play, I've never done that before. Mid show, play,

1250
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: I've added a sound to it. Let's see if it

1251
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 1: comes through. Let's see if you recognize what it is. Okay,

1252
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: has it started yet? I don't think.

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01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 2: I don't I don't hear it.

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01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: No, nope, I don't hear it either. Oh oh, here

1255
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: it is. Do you hear it?

1256
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? Make it louder.

1257
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 3: What is this?

1258
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 2: This is a real eight bit down on your luck?

1259
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 2: Here is what is this?

1260
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 3: Looks like?

1261
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 2: Oh man, we made it through the episode.

1262
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: Man, see I would have edited it to start right

1263
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: around here, right so it was immediately Yeah, yeah, you

1264
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: really did the build up there.

1265
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 2: That was good.

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01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, still the one.

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01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 2: Send me that We're gonna find more ways to use

1268
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 2: it in the off season.

1269
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough.

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01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 2: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

1271
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 2: form myself, Tie hilden Brand, we made it through this episode.

1272
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Friday, ho ho ho in our

1273
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 2: way through college football bowl season talking about more college

1274
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 2: football topics. For that guy over there, Dan, for myself, Tie,

1275
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 2: talk to y'all sooner meantimes, Stay solid, Peace,