1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: From Mediators World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Cal's weekend review, presented by Steele. Steel products are available 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: only at authorized dealers. For more, go to steel Dealers 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: dot com. Now here's your host, Ryan cal Callahan. The 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: Canadian Supreme Court on April dismissed the Crowns case. You know, 6 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 1: that's what they called the Canadian Court right at the Crown. Anyway, 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: They dismissed the Crown's case against Rick Desoddle, who in 8 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: two thousand and ten was charged under the Canada's Wildlife 9 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: Act after killing an elk without a license in the 10 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: Arrow Lakes region of British Columbia. At the time, Desottle 11 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: admitted to the crime, even called the game warden to 12 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: turn himself in, but asserted that he has the right 13 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: to hunt in the Terror Tory despite being a citizen 14 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: of the United States. Do Sattle has never resided in 15 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: British Columbia, but is a member of the Lakes Tribe 16 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: of the Callville Confederated Tribes in Washington State, U s A. 17 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: He asserted that his Sinics ancestors had occupied territory above 18 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: and below the forty nine parallel spanning the boundary of 19 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: the United States and Canada, including the area he was hunting. 20 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: By dismissing the case against De Saddle seven to two, 21 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: the court in effect reversed British Columbia's nineteen fifty five 22 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: determination that the last member of the Sinics people in 23 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: Canada had died and that therefore the tribe was extinct 24 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: and Canada could claim sovereignty over their territory. To Sattle 25 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: and the other nine thousand or so descendants of the 26 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: Sinext in Washington State argued that their ancestors had been 27 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: moved out of their land against their will, and the 28 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: ruling establishes that both non citizens and citizens of Canada 29 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: can claim aboriginal rights under the Canadian Constitution. This is 30 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: a big deal. This case just proved in a court 31 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: of law that indigenous rights supersede international borders, and that 32 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: those rights exist and pertain to a people that the 33 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: country doesn't even recognize as existing animals certainly do not 34 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: recognize the arbitrary European or Jeffersonian lines we humans drawn 35 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: maps to declare a property line be a county, state, 36 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: or country. The peoples of North America did not either. 37 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: The implications of this case could be interesting down the road, 38 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: as this decision will likely be tested on things much 39 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: different than hunting, fishing, and general wandering around rights, which 40 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: kind of makes some trivial in my mind for the 41 00:02:54,919 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: you know, purposes of the week in review. Anyway, it's useless, useless, useless, usely. Yes, 42 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: this week we've got the law enforcement desk, the kangaroo market, 43 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: and so much more. But first I'm going to tell 44 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: you about my week and my week as well as 45 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: this podcast is brought to you by Steel Power Equipment. Remember, 46 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: if you need to sow it, snippet, cut it, clip it, 47 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: blow it, or pressure wash it, the good folks at 48 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: Steel have something to make your job easier. Although Turkey 49 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: season continues on for a couple of weeks, I have 50 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: hung up my spurs, or you know, lack of turkey spurs. 51 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: I guess I did get one nice Tom in Tennessee, 52 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: but my Montana time has been not much, which is 53 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: a bummer. We did get out this last weekend and 54 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: it was great. Got into a lot of birds. They 55 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: were a little tough, maybe a little call shy. We're 56 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: just not quite in the mood to run up and 57 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: shake your hand. What was willing to shake your hand, 58 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: crawl and maybe bite it were ticks. Eastern Montana can 59 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: be housy with ticks most years in the spring, but 60 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: this year was a record breaker. It was kind of 61 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: like how you hear people talk about helicopter maintenance versus 62 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: operation hours, but with tick picking and turkey hunting. Lots 63 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: of tick picking for every hour of turkey hunting. My 64 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: lady friend Sam and I had our dogs in tow 65 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: and they were worse. Every hour of play outside required 66 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: several hours of tick picking. This is only Sam's second 67 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: season of turkey hunting, and where the excitement meets the 68 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: mechanics of turkey hunting, things get very entertaining. Our first spot, 69 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: on the second morning, we called in a monster gobbler 70 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: that refused to stop dead center in front of the 71 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: gun barrel, and I watched as it circled from good 72 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: position to ungettable position without the gun ever moving. He 73 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: had a few younger Tom's following him, who also declined 74 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: to stop at high noon on the gun barrel o'clock, 75 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: but came in at the nine o'clock position instead, and 76 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: with the guns still pointed at noon, I hissed turn 77 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: and shoot, which Sam did, but from what I could 78 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: see and what she told me during her recap of 79 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: the events, the trigger pulling happened at about the ten 80 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: o'clock position, not the nine o'clock position. Then we went 81 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: on down the road a mile and set up on 82 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: another gobbling bird. As I started to scratch out a 83 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: few notes on the Phelps pot call, Sam turned to 84 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: me and said, you know, I think they like it 85 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: when you play hard to get, which you don't know 86 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: how to do. Smell us now, lady. Moving on over 87 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: to the Legislative Call to Action desk, which is usually 88 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: concerned with state laws, but this time we're looking at 89 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: proposed federal legislation HR, introduced this session by California Representative 90 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: Salute Carba Hall, would outlaw the court and sale of 91 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: all kangaroo products in the United States. Now, before you 92 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: get all up in a hissy over the thought of 93 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: all of your favorite kangaroo products and byproducts vanishing from 94 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: the shelves, this would primarily affect the shoe industry. Nike, 95 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: Adida's Puma, and the iconic Australian brand R. M. Williams, 96 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: among others, all use kangaroo leather, known for its unique 97 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: combination of thinness and durability. You typically think of this 98 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: kind of legislation as, you know, kind of a lefty cause, 99 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: and Representative Carba Hall and nine other co sponsors are 100 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: indeed Democrats, but the bill also has two Republican sponsors, 101 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: including embattled Florida Congressman Matt Gates, and who can blame him? 102 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: It makes very good political sense to align yourself with 103 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: the kangaroos when your reputation could let's say, use a 104 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: jump or maybe a pouch to hide him like, because 105 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: of course kangaroos are as charismatic as all get out. 106 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: Who doesn't love an animal that can support itself on 107 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: its tail while kicking all comers who transports it's young 108 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: and a pouch who is the only large animal that 109 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: hops as an only means of locomotion, reaching a top 110 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: speed of forty five. It's offspring are known as Joey's 111 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: for Pete's sake. I mean that's cute, right, I just 112 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: love them and I want them and I went them 113 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: in a basket and wasn't a bow tied. I want 114 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: them to be on a rainbow. Less famously but still 115 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: incredibly cool. Kangaroos are one of the only species on 116 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: earth who have what's known as polyphyodonte, which means that 117 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: as their front molars are worn down by the very 118 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: tough and often sand laden plants they eat, those teeth 119 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: are expelled and new molars take their place, growing from 120 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: back to front like a conveyor belt, which, if you 121 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: think think about it, is bizarre and at the same 122 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: time would kind of be great, because right now I'm 123 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: still itching my tongue on that little chunk of tooth 124 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: that a little uh T s s ammunition took out 125 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: of my muller. If you were a polyphyo dante, that 126 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: tooth would eventually work its way out your front or 127 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: maybe swallow it and it makes way out your ear. No, 128 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Anyway. You may have a soft 129 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: spot for the kangaroos, but they could be compared to 130 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: let's say, white tailed deer in the US. They're a 131 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: cool animal, they're iconic, but they're everywhere. They've thrived like 132 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:43,599 Speaker 1: crazy and disrupted edge habitats. Humans create smaller marsupials. Wallabies 133 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: have had a tough time adapting to human presence in Australia, 134 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: especially those who live in trees. The four larger species 135 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: of kangaroo have you know quite simply kicked ass. As 136 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: of two thousand twenty one, there are just under thirty 137 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: million kangaroos in Australia, even after the devastating fires of 138 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: This number is higher than in two thousand seven seven. 139 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: Populations follow boom and bus cycles following the country's periodic droughts, 140 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: and the entire kangaroo industry, all the meat and leather 141 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: harvested every year kills only around two million animals, which 142 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: this year will be about six percent of the total population. 143 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: As befits a species that is on the country's coat 144 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: of arms as well as its currency, Australia is extremely 145 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: careful about this harvest and has very stringent guidelines for 146 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: taking kangaroos. The kangaroo industry employs only accredited shooters, who 147 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: by law must shoot animals in the head to reduce 148 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: or eliminate suffering. Processing facilities reject carcasses not killed with 149 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: a head shot, which disincentivizes any pros from cutting corners 150 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: and going for easier but less lethal shots. Almost all 151 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: the ruse harvested or males, and shooters are not permitted 152 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: to target females with obvious young in their pouch or 153 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: at foot. If this industry went away, we can predict 154 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: what would happen and what has happened in other periods 155 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: of over abundance. Farmers and property owners would poison ruse 156 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: and shoot them in less humane ways, and the landscape 157 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: would not be able to support their numbers, leaving them 158 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: to starve. Ending the kangaroo industry would be terrible for kangaroos. 159 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: As crazy as it sounds, as we often comment when 160 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: these kinds of stories come up, it's very, very strange 161 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: that almost no one talks about banning cow leather. Why 162 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: do bovines count less than kangaroos? And although there are 163 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: vegan polyurethane leathers, the environmental impact of that manufacturing is 164 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: far from zero. And for those of you who are 165 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: out there concerned about the emissions of cow birds and farts, well, 166 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: kangaroos are one of the only grazing animals who produce 167 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: no methane as a byproduct of dieger question. Instead, their 168 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: digestion produces acetate that their bodies uses energy. In fact, 169 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: scientists are interested in trying to implant the bacteria from 170 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: kangaroo systems into the stomachs and intestines of cows to 171 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: cut their methane emissions. Maybe save a little for the 172 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: old snort dog while you're at it. That girl can 173 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: get stinky. So although it might be hard to imagine 174 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: that this bill would pass, we can't get too overconfident. 175 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: California passed to kangaroo ban in one that's never been enforced. 176 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: But the law is still on the books and has 177 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: been the focus of intense lobbying by animal rights groups 178 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: over the last few years, and several high profile Olympic 179 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: athletes have signed onto this recent effort to push a 180 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: national band. So keep that dialing finger in peak physical 181 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: condition by picking up the phone, calling your duly elected 182 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: member of Congress and telling them that hr would be 183 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: terrible for kangaroos. Get a jump on it, do it today, 184 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: Ah Bouncing over to the law enforcement desk and starting 185 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: with the pair of stories out of the Sunshine State, 186 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: The trial of Joe Frader and Chris Stone recently came 187 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: to a conclusion described as quote insta famous hunters. The 188 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: pair pled no contest to poaching violations in the state 189 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: of California. California Wildlife officers put in an effort described 190 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: as sci worthy by the Sacramento b to bring these 191 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: two men to justice. Analyzing the string of too good 192 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: to be true social media posts, as well as using 193 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: trail cameras, aerial photography, DNA analysis, steakouts, and even vehicle 194 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: tracking devices to build a case. The two men were 195 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: shown to have engaged in extensive baiting, taking deer and 196 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: non permitted locations, trespassing, and failing to properly report harvested deer. 197 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 1: We've talked before about how hard can be to make 198 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: poaching cases stick. Penalties for wildlife crimes are often very light, 199 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: and judges who face crimes of the more heinous human 200 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: varieties sometimes don't understand the full scope of wildlife crimes 201 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: or their implications. You get the sense that these California 202 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: conservation officers were doing absolutely everything to make sure that 203 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: didn't happen. With their above and beyond effort, the two 204 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: at the time suspected men faced a maximum penalty of 205 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: forts and fines and a year in jail, but the 206 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: district attorneys, the state lawyers responsible for prosecuting the case, 207 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: were taken aback by the extent of the investigation and 208 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: the resources that consumed Freighter and Stone ended up with 209 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: the lightest of light penalties, small fines, informal probation and 210 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: temporary suspension of hunting privileges, penalties and fines that come 211 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: nowhere near the cost of the resources involved in building 212 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: the case. They used a surveillance plane to trail the 213 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: men them overhead. They set out motion activated cameras. They 214 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: put tracking devices on their pickups. They combed through their 215 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: text messages and tallied who they called and logged the 216 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: minutes they were on the phone. They took samples from 217 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: the guts left behind from kills, swabbed the bed of 218 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: freighter's pickup for dear blood and hair for DNA evidence. 219 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: One of the defense attorneys mentioned that there was more 220 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: spent at the lab on DNA analysis for this case 221 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: than they see it a human murder trial, and speaking 222 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: of DNA, we should probably stop, and mentioned that it 223 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: was recently the twentieth anniversary of the publication of the 224 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: human genome. That discovery has led to revelations like how 225 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: ancient humans migrated into the Americas and around the world, 226 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: how disease attacks the body, how different attributes like eye 227 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: color are created, and how attributes like sneezing when your 228 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: eyes are exposed to sudden light are expressed. By mapping 229 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: the human genome, we were able to apply the technique 230 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: and do the same thing with bees, bighorn cheap fair 231 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: it's protozomes, even long extinct neanderthals and Homo habilis, and 232 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: of course our favorite dogs and wolves and dog wolf hybrids. 233 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: Publishing the genome simply meant listing every letter in the 234 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: genetic code of a few human beings, but having that 235 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: information available meant that scientists could understand which genes and 236 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: chromosomes are shared between individuals and species. We share about 237 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: forty of our genes with bananas, for example, No, that 238 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: isn't where hey? Is that a banana and your pocket? 239 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: You just you know that thing? And which parts of 240 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: the genome were responsible for which functions. Without that enormous 241 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: accomplishment in two thousand one, this show would be much 242 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: less interesting. But back to the story at hand. After 243 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: weeks of steakouts both day and night, they rated the 244 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: two men's homes going room to room, rifling through drawers, 245 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: freezer's closets, seizing der head trophies, archery equipment, cell phones, 246 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: frozen venison computers, trail cameras, memory cards, taxidermy and butcher receipts. 247 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: At Freighter's home, they seized salt licks, mineral blocks, and 248 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: bags of feed. Interestingly, the two poachers are themselves members 249 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: of the criminal justice system. Freighter a corrections officer to 250 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: local prison, Stone an investigator for the same district attorney's 251 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: office that was responsible for the prosecution. So maybe there 252 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: was a bit of protecting one's own in this case 253 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: at the expense of protecting wildlife and enforcing the rules. 254 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: Freighter and Stone's attorneys argued that the violations in question 255 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: basically were like speeding tickets, and you know they didn't 256 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: mean it. The violations were so technical that any hunter 257 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: would be in violation of a crime on any hunt. 258 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: Stone pleaded no contest to one count of hunting over bait. 259 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: He was fined seven eighty dollars and placed on three 260 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: years probation, along with the suspension of hunting privileges during 261 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: the probationary period. Freighter pleaded no contest in January to 262 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: two counts of hunting deer over bait. He was fine 263 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars placed on one year of informal probation 264 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: and agreed to forfeit his hunting privileges for a year. 265 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: He has accepted responsibility, paid a fine to one of 266 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 1: California Department of Fish and Wildlife wildlife conservation funds, and 267 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: surrendered one of his bows, which he understands will be 268 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: used to raise additional conservation funds, which is what Freighter's 269 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: attorney told to be quote, he is happy to support 270 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: a cause so close to his heart, which, if I'm 271 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: being honest, doesn't really sit right with me. Sounds a 272 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: bit smug blenning of ways to support conservation without paying 273 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: a court appoint at fine. Think of what you could 274 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: have done with all those attorneys fees, for instance. Was 275 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: this case a misuse of valuable resources directed at two 276 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: individuals who just bent the rules? Or was this case 277 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: poorly prosecuted. Here's another one from California. This is a 278 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: side story that will make you think. This got sent 279 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: into the ask cal email. By the way. That's a 280 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: s k c L at the Meat eater dot com. 281 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: I was invited on my first duck hunt in January 282 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: and was very excited to get into the duck game. Unfortunately, 283 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: due of the AMMO shortage, I was not able to 284 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: locate the shells my buddy recommended in time, but he 285 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: was nice enough to offer to bring me a box. 286 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: Needless to say, I was a bit on edge when 287 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: my two am alarms sounded. I was worried that my 288 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: buddy would forget to bring the shells he offered, so 289 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: I tossed a box of the shells I was using 290 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: for quail a few months back into the bottom of 291 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: my pack. Fast forward a few hours. I get to 292 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: the refuge, get signed in, drive to the parking lot, 293 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: and I'm getting my gear ready. As my buddy hands 294 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: me the box of shells he spoke of, I tossed 295 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: them into the top of my pack forgetting all about 296 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: the other box of shells. This area has a maximum 297 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: of twenty five shells in possession in the field. I 298 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: knew this from diligently reading the REGs and also heard 299 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: it announced on the loudspeaker. As we are walking the 300 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: mile out to the blind, we happened to get checked 301 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: by game wardens. I readily offered my pack to the warden, 302 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: and my heart absolutely dropped when he pulled out the 303 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: extra box. Despite my explanation of my error and pleads 304 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: for mercy on a nubie who made an honest mistake, 305 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: he wrote me a citation. This citation resulted in a 306 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: fine of one thousand, five hundred and twenty five dollars. 307 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: Fortunately the fine was not an amount that was ruinous 308 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: to my finances, but I feel like I am now 309 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: labeled as a poacher or someone who's trying to get 310 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: around the rules if I interact with another warden. I 311 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: also feel, probably because I didn't like writing that check, 312 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: that this would have been a good opportunity to warn 313 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: and educate a new duck hunter. I am trying to 314 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: take this as a learning opportunity and one that was 315 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: absolutely my fault, and move forward without a bitter taste 316 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: in my mouth, but I can't help feel a bit 317 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: salty p s. I am also happy to report that 318 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: I got several tasty ducks and a goose that day, 319 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: and that I took home my first turkey second day 320 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: of the season, and can't wait to start cooking. The PostScript, 321 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: in case you're wondering, has nothing to do with the 322 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: story or the point. Rather, it's just a good reminder 323 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: waterfowl is expensive sometimes and tasty. In this example, a 324 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: simple search no judges, court orders, no lawyers, no surveillance. 325 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: One thousand, five hundred and twenty five dollar fine to 326 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: a first time water fowler. That quote didn't mean to 327 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: sound familiar the previous story. The lawyers argued on the 328 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: clean record of the defendants who had been licensed holders 329 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: from thirteen years old and on and never had a 330 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: blemish on their records. And here they sit, and let's 331 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: say forty years old. I ask you, dear listeners, who's 332 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: got a better argument for reduced sentence. Next up, the 333 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: gavel falls hard on a group of Washington anglers in 334 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: British Columbia, the case of Wolgemot, McGee and Hoover. Despite 335 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: having names like Harry Potter characters, magic didn't save them 336 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: from the long muggle arm of the BC law. If 337 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: saw LEVI saw, We'll start with the fines. Wogamont was 338 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: fined fifteen thousand dollars and prohibited from fishing or holding 339 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: a fishing license anywhere in Canada for ten years. He 340 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: was also ordered to forfeit all fishing equipment seized on 341 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: the vessel being used, valued at over six thousand dollars, 342 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: and two outboard engines three horsepower and twenty horse power 343 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: Yamaha valued at approximately thirty two thousand, five hundred dollars. 344 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: He was also ordered to pay the storage and transport 345 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: fees for the seized vessel, with an estimated cost of 346 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: approximately ten thousand dollars. Hoover was fined five thousand dollars, 347 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: received a two year prohibition against fishing or holding a 348 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: fishing license anywhere in Canada, and forfeited all of his 349 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: fishing equipment that was also seized as evidence. McGhee was 350 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: also fined five thousand, received a one year probation against 351 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: fishing or holding a fishing license anywhere in Canada, and 352 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: forfeited all of his fishing equipment as well. Fishery officers 353 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: determined that not all of the anglers had valid fishing licenses, 354 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: that the catch was not accurately recorded, and that the 355 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: fish had been processed in such a way that the 356 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: species and size was difficult to determine. Fishery officers seized 357 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: a thirty foot cut water fishing vessel, twenty chinook salmon, 358 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: a link cod, rock fish, as well as a significant 359 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: quantity of fishing gear. The fines, fees and prohibitions, plus 360 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: the forfeiture of the gens fishing gear. Illegal catch underscores 361 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: the seriousness of violating fishing rules and regulations under Canada's 362 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: Fisheries Act, intended to protect and preserve at risk fishing populations. 363 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: After digging around a little on the Fisheries Canada website 364 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: and looking at the boat that was seized which starts 365 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: around the two dollar mark well used, it appears that 366 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: these anglers needed an annual fishing stamp that will set 367 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: you back six dollars and thirteen cents plus tax, and 368 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: an annual tide water fishing license which all dingya for 369 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: one oh five that's a hundred five dollars cents. So 370 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: for the price of one eleven dollars and forty one 371 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: cents and some studying of the regulations and restrictions on 372 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: top of the usual fuel, bait, food and gear, would 373 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: have been a lot less expensive of a trip. Fellas. 374 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: Let's for arguments sake say Wogamont, McGhee and Hoover were 375 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: just fishing and making the common mistakes of forgetting to 376 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: renew your license, not checking with your buddies about there's 377 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: not looking over the new year's regulations and restrictions. You know, 378 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: the common stuff. Well, if that sounds like you and 379 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: your group of buddies, don't go fishing in Canada. Hang 380 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: That's all I've got for you this week. Thank you 381 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: so much for listening, and I want to send a 382 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: big thanks to steal makers of those thirty inch pruning 383 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: shares that help me butcher animals while on the road. 384 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: Be sure to check those out by checking out www 385 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: dot steel Dealers dot com, and most importantly, let me 386 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: know what's going on in your neck of the woods 387 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: by writing in to a s K C. A L. 388 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: That's ask Cal at the Meat Eater dot com. Thanks 389 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: again and I'll talk to you next week.