WEBVTT - Episode 46: David Vs Goliath w/ DC draino

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone knows big tech is abusing its outsize power, suppressing

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<v Speaker 1>conservative voices and crushing a right to free speech, But

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<v Speaker 1>who's actually doing something about it? Today we hear from

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<v Speaker 1>the man leading the legal fight against Silicon Valley, one

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<v Speaker 1>of our country's top personalities and social media giant in

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<v Speaker 1>his own rights. This is Luna Talks with Anna Paulina.

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<v Speaker 1>I am here today with d C. Drain no a

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<v Speaker 1>k A. Rogan oh Hanley, someone that I've known for

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<v Speaker 1>some time and arguably one of the biggest conservative personalities

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<v Speaker 1>currently in the United States. Rogan, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for joining us to stay here on Luna Talks. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for having me on, Anna, it is an honor.

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<v Speaker 1>So real quick your story. I think when a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people see your social media account, they wonder how

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<v Speaker 1>did someone get you know, like you get so big,

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<v Speaker 1>But obviously there's you know, an underlying I think asis

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<v Speaker 1>of you being obviously very very pro America, but also

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<v Speaker 1>to a year an attorney. Correct, that's right. So how

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<v Speaker 1>did an attorney from Hollywood get into meeting? Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>will say years of a lot of work every day,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I've been doing this for about uh five years,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, people ask me like, oh, when did

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<v Speaker 1>you go viral? When did you blow up? And it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like it's a thousand followers every few days, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it ends up being a thousand followers every day

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<v Speaker 1>after a few years. So it is just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a grind and then eventually you look back and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you see that. But I was an attorney in Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was, you know, I've always been conservative, but

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<v Speaker 1>was very upset with how President Trump was being treated

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<v Speaker 1>by the media, how people weren't allowed to support him

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<v Speaker 1>openly on social media, and working in Hollywood, it's especially

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<v Speaker 1>can stricted in terms of what you can say or

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<v Speaker 1>do if you're not a communist, and so I just

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<v Speaker 1>got really frustrated and I created DC drain No as

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<v Speaker 1>an outlet on Instagram because I thought memes were one

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<v Speaker 1>of the best ways to communicate. I still think that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you know, you look at the cave men they

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<v Speaker 1>wrote drew pictures on the walls, and you still use

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff today. People like visual mediums to can that's

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<v Speaker 1>why movies are popular, etcetera. So I started to do

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<v Speaker 1>it and after like six months, I you know, had followers.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, whoa there's actually something here, and I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like I was living a double life. So I

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately decided to just take the plunge and uh pursue

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<v Speaker 1>this full time and just try and advocate for people's

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<v Speaker 1>constitutional rights nationwide with my legal knowledge and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get out of the corporate grind and do everything I

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<v Speaker 1>could help save America from socialism, because what we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>to day is what's actually worse. It's communism. Uh. They're

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<v Speaker 1>they're really really trying to turn America into a communist country,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, people like us have to step up

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<v Speaker 1>and stop it so really quickly before we get into

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<v Speaker 1>the weeds of really what's happening, I think on social

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<v Speaker 1>media with this communist movement. I want to ask you,

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<v Speaker 1>what was your mom's initial reaction. Did you freak out?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I mean, you went to a great law school, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like top law school obviously like prodigy child, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, I'm just gonna go make memes. Well, she

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<v Speaker 1>thought I was a little crazy, uh, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't tell a lot of people what I was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I went to University of Chicago Law School,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know a lot of the people I

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<v Speaker 1>graduated with our now partners at very prestigious law firms

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<v Speaker 1>charging you know, six seven, maybe a thousand dollars an hour,

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<v Speaker 1>and I decided to break away from that and go

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<v Speaker 1>post memes about stuff I believe in very strongly, and so, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>my mom kind of you know, we don't agree political

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<v Speaker 1>we don't let politics get in between us, which is

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<v Speaker 1>something I think all people should do. Not let the

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<v Speaker 1>media divide you from your own family. Um happens far

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<v Speaker 1>too much. But uh, you know, she said you can

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<v Speaker 1>always go back to being a lawyer, and the thought

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<v Speaker 1>about it, and that's partially true, but I guarantee there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of places that wouldn't want to hire me

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<v Speaker 1>now that you know I've expressed myself freely on social media. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you don't have to worry about going back

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<v Speaker 1>to being an attorney anytime soon, because if I have

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<v Speaker 1>my estimate as to what you'll be doing, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you're probably the next Hannity. So to kind of move

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<v Speaker 1>from there, you have a massive case going on. Actually

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<v Speaker 1>saw you just posted something about it, so you basically

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<v Speaker 1>we're targeted by divided administration, by the state of California,

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<v Speaker 1>and they colluded with Twitter essentially to get you banned

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<v Speaker 1>off Twitter. Correct. As crazy as that sounds, that is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly correct. So I was banned off Twitter for a

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<v Speaker 1>lect shin integrity issues back in February, and Judicial Watch

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<v Speaker 1>two months later released some emails that they had requested

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<v Speaker 1>under a public records request from the state of California

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<v Speaker 1>that showed the Secretary of State's office, which handles elections

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<v Speaker 1>in California, had specifically targeted me saying d C. Drain

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<v Speaker 1>No is spreading misinformation about California elections. They sent that

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<v Speaker 1>to Twitter. Twitter then flagged my post and I was

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately banned, uh, maybe a month and a half later,

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<v Speaker 1>because of my views on election. Now think about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a licensed attorney in the state of California.

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<v Speaker 1>I am criticizing constitutional procedures, how our elections work. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>we should have election audits, which are now happening nationwide

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<v Speaker 1>and should be happening every election, every year, every time.

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<v Speaker 1>And the State of California said, well, this is just

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<v Speaker 1>misinformation that he wants an election on it, and they

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<v Speaker 1>sent it to Twitter and then Twitter took me down.

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<v Speaker 1>Now here's the better part, or the worst part, is

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<v Speaker 1>that the Biden campaign's main campaign consultant, s K. D. Nickerbocker,

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<v Speaker 1>was already in a contractual relationship with the state of

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<v Speaker 1>California to provide the names and posts of people that

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<v Speaker 1>were spreading misinformation. So tax dollars were spent to pay

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<v Speaker 1>Biden's campaign firm to target political enemies to then use

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<v Speaker 1>the government to have them centered on social media. And

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people say, well, Twitter is a private company,

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<v Speaker 1>they can do what they want. No, No, the government

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<v Speaker 1>was involved, and anyone working with the government on that

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<v Speaker 1>is called a joint state actor. And that is a

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<v Speaker 1>violation of the First Amendment. Congress and the States shall

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<v Speaker 1>make no law of bridging freedom of speech, and they

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<v Speaker 1>shall not silence your freedom of speech except an extremely

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<v Speaker 1>rare circumstances like death threats, stuff like that. So this

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<v Speaker 1>was just criticism of elections. And we are our first

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<v Speaker 1>federal hearing December sixteenth in federal court, and we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>determine whether or not we go to trial or the

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<v Speaker 1>thing gets dismissed. Fingers crossed. I think we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>able to go to trial. No, that's so exciting. If

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<v Speaker 1>this is true then ultimately, which it is true, But

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<v Speaker 1>if this is the case. Ultimately, you would be basically

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<v Speaker 1>one of those first cases I think to establish precedents

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<v Speaker 1>for actual legislation. And then also too that could actually

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<v Speaker 1>take down Twitter. So my fingers are crossed. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court has said in non controlling opinions. Justice Thomas,

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<v Speaker 1>in a concurring opinion said, we do want to look

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<v Speaker 1>at Section two thirty and it's constitutionality because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think there's anyone in America that doesn't believe that big

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<v Speaker 1>tech is the most powerful force on planet Earth. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't say that hyperbolically. They silenced the sitting president

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States, got away with it and had

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<v Speaker 1>no repercussions. That's insane. That should not be able to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>The sitting president could not speak to the American people

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<v Speaker 1>on these platforms. That's wrong. Uh. And they've just gotten

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they've gotten to too comfortable with this censorship stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So I fortunately we have smoking gun emails. The problem

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<v Speaker 1>is this is systemic, right, This is systemic oppression of

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<v Speaker 1>conservative viewpoints. Whether or not this gets to the Supreme Court,

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that the Federal Court, if we win,

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<v Speaker 1>will be able to change things for everyone. So other

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<v Speaker 1>people can sue. It will create more opportunities. So no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what, I'm not settling. I don't care how much

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<v Speaker 1>money they offer me if they do. But we're we're

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<v Speaker 1>taking this all the way. We're gonna make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>people have more freedom of speech. I love to hear

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<v Speaker 1>it speaking of why Twitter won't censor one candidate but

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<v Speaker 1>will censor others. I want to ask you about a

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<v Speaker 1>clip I found of Joe Biden referring to a famous

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<v Speaker 1>baseball player from what I gather in a very derogatory way.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have to take a quick break, so we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be right back. Stay tuned, all right, Rogan. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna play this clip real quick that I found. It's

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<v Speaker 1>of Joe Biden. Well, I won't just here. Just listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the clip. Thank you for your service to our country.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just want to tell you, I know you're

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<v Speaker 1>a little younger than I am, but you know I've

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<v Speaker 1>adopted the attitude of the great Negro at the time

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<v Speaker 1>picture in the Negro leagues went on to become a

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<v Speaker 1>great picture in the pros into the Major League Baseball

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<v Speaker 1>after Jackie Robinson. His name is Satchel Page and Satchel

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<v Speaker 1>Page on his forty seventh birthday, pitched a win against Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>and all the press went in and said, Sutch, it's

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<v Speaker 1>amazing forty seven years old loans ever ever pitched to

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<v Speaker 1>win at age forty seven? All right, did you catch

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<v Speaker 1>that he called Satchel Page the N word? Um, well,

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<v Speaker 1>one variation of the N word. Uh. You know there

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<v Speaker 1>there was a baseball league called the negro Leagues. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think uh, most would agree that calling a black

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<v Speaker 1>person that term today, uh is not acceptable. And I

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<v Speaker 1>would just say that if this was said by President Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be the only thing we hear about on

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<v Speaker 1>the media for the next two weeks, and they would

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<v Speaker 1>call him a racist. Seven. But we both know that's

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna happen to Joe Biden exactly. And it's not

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<v Speaker 1>the first time that he's made these comments. Obviously, leading

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<v Speaker 1>up to the election cycle, he was making other comments

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<v Speaker 1>saying that if you don't vote for me, you're not black.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been known. In fact, I think Kamala Harris called

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<v Speaker 1>him racist. Interesting how that conversation doesn't continue. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that with everything you're doing with social media and

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<v Speaker 1>now what's happening with Twitter? I mean if our Congress

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't get ahold of big tech and the overreach that

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<v Speaker 1>they currently have, do you think that our countries in trouble? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is. One of the biggest issues that

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<v Speaker 1>did not get addressed under President Trump was censorship of conservatives.

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<v Speaker 1>I tend to think that if we had protected free

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<v Speaker 1>speech on social media more, uh, he'd be sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>the Oval office despite all the election irregularities. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it would have been overwhelming. Um, but it's it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>the most important issue because as without free speech. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what did George Washington say, you know, dumb and blind,

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<v Speaker 1>We're you know, but sheep led to the slaughter. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you are not allowed to criticize your government, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know right now, so many times on social media

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<v Speaker 1>if you say something against Joe Biden that isn't exactly

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<v Speaker 1>perfectly accurate. And even then, if you just criticize gas prices,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll say, well, fact check, these are just seasonal adjustments.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not Joe Biden's fault, or fact check on inflation.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just transitory, not Joe Biden's. They are literally

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<v Speaker 1>covering for the government, for a corrupt government. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>how far out of whack this has gotten, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court in their concurring opinion talked specifically about Section

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<v Speaker 1>two thirty and how these social media platforms apply labels

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<v Speaker 1>to post right so part of their liability protections that

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<v Speaker 1>they're treated as platforms. They just allow things to be said.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't be how liable if song says something legal.

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<v Speaker 1>But when they start intervening so aggressively and apply these labels,

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<v Speaker 1>fact checks, missing context, or they deleted or whatever, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when it's just criticizing the government. What's the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>that In the New York Times, they're a publisher. They're

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<v Speaker 1>putting information out that perfectly conforms with their opinions and viewpoints.

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<v Speaker 1>That is not what Section two thirty is about. So

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<v Speaker 1>I am hoping my case is able to help start

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<v Speaker 1>that transition into more protections for free speech. But absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>the GOP when they retake Congress, needs to pass legislation

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<v Speaker 1>that protects our rights to speak freely on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>So you do think, and I think you have a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good idea of the flow of what the public

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<v Speaker 1>and the American people are feeling right now. I know

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<v Speaker 1>that your account. I mean, if that was to be

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<v Speaker 1>a focus group. It would be a pretty solid focus group.

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<v Speaker 1>You have how many followers two point five million followers.

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<v Speaker 1>I have two point one million followers on Instagram, but

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<v Speaker 1>at least three million overall when you factor in Facebook, Getter, Parlor, YouTube,

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<v Speaker 1>all the apps. Okay, so you're seeing that there will

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<v Speaker 1>be a red wave. I know Bannon had projected that

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<v Speaker 1>it's about what we're supposed to pick up, maybe fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five seats in the House alone, based on what happened

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<v Speaker 1>in Virginia. What are your predictions for the election cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Anna Paulina Luna is going to win in

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<v Speaker 1>a landslide, flip a blue seat, and lead the charge

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<v Speaker 1>for a massive red wave across this country. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>reason Charlie Chris isn't running against her this cycle. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a reason Nancy Pelosi is considering retiring. There's a reason

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel Maddow is retiring in April. There's a reason Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Williams is retiring soon. There are a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>that saw They already knew this, but they saw what

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<v Speaker 1>happened in Virginia, and it is all but certain that

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be a red way because the American

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<v Speaker 1>people are fed up with what they are seeing being

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<v Speaker 1>done to their country, to their children, to their pocket books.

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<v Speaker 1>They're done and they're gonna put common sense back in charge. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I love to hear, and I think that more people

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<v Speaker 1>also to this is kind of the wind that we

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<v Speaker 1>all needed, because when you see what's happened, I think

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<v Speaker 1>from the time that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris set

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<v Speaker 1>foot in the White House, it's just been one after

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<v Speaker 1>the other after the other of just negative, negative news

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<v Speaker 1>out of that White House. And we know that Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden is sympathetic to China. You can see everything with

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<v Speaker 1>the legislation, with this crazy infrastructure bill. It is literally

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<v Speaker 1>not for the American people as anything but that I

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<v Speaker 1>have to take one last commercial break and then I

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<v Speaker 1>want to ask you how others can get involved. Will

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<v Speaker 1>be right back, all right, Rogan. So, as the leader

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<v Speaker 1>of the free media, which you truly are on social media,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously there may be people listening to this that might

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<v Speaker 1>be looking at basically leaving their jobs or they see

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening with everything with these mandates to where they

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<v Speaker 1>are nervous about taking that first step. What is your

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<v Speaker 1>advice to them? I think the first thing they should

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<v Speaker 1>ask themselves is are they able to answer their kids

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<v Speaker 1>one day proudly when their kids asked, mom, dad, what

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<v Speaker 1>did you do when communism started taking over America? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you sit back and just work your job and collect

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<v Speaker 1>your paychecks and hope it doesn't come for you? Or

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<v Speaker 1>did you step up and push back in whatever way

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<v Speaker 1>you could, Whether that's being an elected official, whether that's

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<v Speaker 1>working on the election system, whether that's being a volunteer

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<v Speaker 1>for campaigns, whether that's being a donor for campaigns, whether

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<v Speaker 1>that's being someone that posts on social media, someone that

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<v Speaker 1>writes op eds, someone that creates videos. Everyone can do something,

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<v Speaker 1>and I will tell you the most powerful force in

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<v Speaker 1>the world is the awakened American people. We are slow

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<v Speaker 1>to move, but once we get moving, we are unstoppable.

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<v Speaker 1>The American people have accomplished anything, Any major challenge has

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<v Speaker 1>been overcome by the American people in the last two

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<v Speaker 1>or fifty years, starting from our founding, continuing through World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two and into today. We are now at another crossroads.

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<v Speaker 1>A massive, uh existential threat to our way of life

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<v Speaker 1>is here within our borders. Are you going to step

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<v Speaker 1>up and stand up for freedom and pass on that

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<v Speaker 1>freedom to your children so that they can enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you gonna sit back and let it all just

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<v Speaker 1>happen and wish one day when you're old, that you

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<v Speaker 1>had actually done more to stop it? I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>make the right decision. Well if that doesn't get you

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<v Speaker 1>fired up, I don't know what will. Everyone Make sure

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<v Speaker 1>you follow Rogan o'hanley at DC Drew. You're on Policy Parlor, Facebook, Twitter, Getter, Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>Where else are you YouTube? Everything except Twitter? Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, everything except for Twitter. All right, well, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>give him a follow. Thank you so much for joining

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<v Speaker 1>us here today on Luna Talks, and we look forward

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<v Speaker 1>to have you back. Before we go, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>thank DC Dreano again for such a great interview, and

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