Speaker 1: Everyone knows big tech is abusing its outsize power, suppressing
Speaker 1: conservative voices and crushing a right to free speech, But
Speaker 1: who's actually doing something about it? Today we hear from
Speaker 1: the man leading the legal fight against Silicon Valley, one
Speaker 1: of our country's top personalities and social media giant in
Speaker 1: his own rights. This is Luna Talks with Anna Paulina.
Speaker 1: I am here today with d C. Drain no a
Speaker 1: k A. Rogan oh Hanley, someone that I've known for
Speaker 1: some time and arguably one of the biggest conservative personalities
Speaker 1: currently in the United States. Rogan, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us to stay here on Luna Talks. Thank
Speaker 1: you for having me on, Anna, it is an honor.
Speaker 1: So real quick your story. I think when a lot
Speaker 1: of people see your social media account, they wonder how
Speaker 1: did someone get you know, like you get so big,
Speaker 1: But obviously there's you know, an underlying I think asis
Speaker 1: of you being obviously very very pro America, but also
Speaker 1: to a year an attorney. Correct, that's right. So how
Speaker 1: did an attorney from Hollywood get into meeting? Well, I
Speaker 1: will say years of a lot of work every day,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been doing this for about uh five years,
Speaker 1: and you know, people ask me like, oh, when did
Speaker 1: you go viral? When did you blow up? And it's
Speaker 1: just like it's a thousand followers every few days, and
Speaker 1: then it ends up being a thousand followers every day
Speaker 1: after a few years. So it is just kind of
Speaker 1: a grind and then eventually you look back and you know,
Speaker 1: you see that. But I was an attorney in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and I was, you know, I've always been conservative, but
Speaker 1: was very upset with how President Trump was being treated
Speaker 1: by the media, how people weren't allowed to support him
Speaker 1: openly on social media, and working in Hollywood, it's especially
Speaker 1: can stricted in terms of what you can say or
Speaker 1: do if you're not a communist, and so I just
Speaker 1: got really frustrated and I created DC drain No as
Speaker 1: an outlet on Instagram because I thought memes were one
Speaker 1: of the best ways to communicate. I still think that's true.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, you look at the cave men they
Speaker 1: wrote drew pictures on the walls, and you still use
Speaker 1: that stuff today. People like visual mediums to can that's
Speaker 1: why movies are popular, etcetera. So I started to do
Speaker 1: it and after like six months, I you know, had followers.
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa there's actually something here, and I
Speaker 1: felt like I was living a double life. So I
Speaker 1: ultimately decided to just take the plunge and uh pursue
Speaker 1: this full time and just try and advocate for people's
Speaker 1: constitutional rights nationwide with my legal knowledge and you know,
Speaker 1: get out of the corporate grind and do everything I
Speaker 1: could help save America from socialism, because what we're seeing
Speaker 1: to day is what's actually worse. It's communism. Uh. They're
Speaker 1: they're really really trying to turn America into a communist country,
Speaker 1: and you know, people like us have to step up
Speaker 1: and stop it so really quickly before we get into
Speaker 1: the weeds of really what's happening, I think on social
Speaker 1: media with this communist movement. I want to ask you,
Speaker 1: what was your mom's initial reaction. Did you freak out?
Speaker 1: Because I mean, you went to a great law school, right,
Speaker 1: like top law school obviously like prodigy child, and then
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm just gonna go make memes. Well, she
Speaker 1: thought I was a little crazy, uh, which is why
Speaker 1: I didn't tell a lot of people what I was doing.
Speaker 1: You know, I went to University of Chicago Law School,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know a lot of the people I
Speaker 1: graduated with our now partners at very prestigious law firms
Speaker 1: charging you know, six seven, maybe a thousand dollars an hour,
Speaker 1: and I decided to break away from that and go
Speaker 1: post memes about stuff I believe in very strongly, and so, uh,
Speaker 1: my mom kind of you know, we don't agree political
Speaker 1: we don't let politics get in between us, which is
Speaker 1: something I think all people should do. Not let the
Speaker 1: media divide you from your own family. Um happens far
Speaker 1: too much. But uh, you know, she said you can
Speaker 1: always go back to being a lawyer, and the thought
Speaker 1: about it, and that's partially true, but I guarantee there's
Speaker 1: a lot of places that wouldn't want to hire me
Speaker 1: now that you know I've expressed myself freely on social media. Well,
Speaker 1: I think you don't have to worry about going back
Speaker 1: to being an attorney anytime soon, because if I have
Speaker 1: my estimate as to what you'll be doing, I think
Speaker 1: you're probably the next Hannity. So to kind of move
Speaker 1: from there, you have a massive case going on. Actually
Speaker 1: saw you just posted something about it, so you basically
Speaker 1: we're targeted by divided administration, by the state of California,
Speaker 1: and they colluded with Twitter essentially to get you banned
Speaker 1: off Twitter. Correct. As crazy as that sounds, that is
Speaker 1: exactly correct. So I was banned off Twitter for a
Speaker 1: lect shin integrity issues back in February, and Judicial Watch
Speaker 1: two months later released some emails that they had requested
Speaker 1: under a public records request from the state of California
Speaker 1: that showed the Secretary of State's office, which handles elections
Speaker 1: in California, had specifically targeted me saying d C. Drain
Speaker 1: No is spreading misinformation about California elections. They sent that
Speaker 1: to Twitter. Twitter then flagged my post and I was
Speaker 1: ultimately banned, uh, maybe a month and a half later,
Speaker 1: because of my views on election. Now think about this.
Speaker 1: I am a licensed attorney in the state of California.
Speaker 1: I am criticizing constitutional procedures, how our elections work. I said,
Speaker 1: we should have election audits, which are now happening nationwide
Speaker 1: and should be happening every election, every year, every time.
Speaker 1: And the State of California said, well, this is just
Speaker 1: misinformation that he wants an election on it, and they
Speaker 1: sent it to Twitter and then Twitter took me down.
Speaker 1: Now here's the better part, or the worst part, is
Speaker 1: that the Biden campaign's main campaign consultant, s K. D. Nickerbocker,
Speaker 1: was already in a contractual relationship with the state of
Speaker 1: California to provide the names and posts of people that
Speaker 1: were spreading misinformation. So tax dollars were spent to pay
Speaker 1: Biden's campaign firm to target political enemies to then use
Speaker 1: the government to have them centered on social media. And
Speaker 1: a lot of people say, well, Twitter is a private company,
Speaker 1: they can do what they want. No, No, the government
Speaker 1: was involved, and anyone working with the government on that
Speaker 1: is called a joint state actor. And that is a
Speaker 1: violation of the First Amendment. Congress and the States shall
Speaker 1: make no law of bridging freedom of speech, and they
Speaker 1: shall not silence your freedom of speech except an extremely
Speaker 1: rare circumstances like death threats, stuff like that. So this
Speaker 1: was just criticism of elections. And we are our first
Speaker 1: federal hearing December sixteenth in federal court, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: determine whether or not we go to trial or the
Speaker 1: thing gets dismissed. Fingers crossed. I think we're gonna be
Speaker 1: able to go to trial. No, that's so exciting. If
Speaker 1: this is true then ultimately, which it is true, But
Speaker 1: if this is the case. Ultimately, you would be basically
Speaker 1: one of those first cases I think to establish precedents
Speaker 1: for actual legislation. And then also too that could actually
Speaker 1: take down Twitter. So my fingers are crossed. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court has said in non controlling opinions. Justice Thomas,
Speaker 1: in a concurring opinion said, we do want to look
Speaker 1: at Section two thirty and it's constitutionality because I don't
Speaker 1: think there's anyone in America that doesn't believe that big
Speaker 1: tech is the most powerful force on planet Earth. And
Speaker 1: I don't say that hyperbolically. They silenced the sitting president
Speaker 1: of the United States, got away with it and had
Speaker 1: no repercussions. That's insane. That should not be able to happen.
Speaker 1: The sitting president could not speak to the American people
Speaker 1: on these platforms. That's wrong. Uh. And they've just gotten
Speaker 1: you know, they've gotten to too comfortable with this censorship stuff.
Speaker 1: So I fortunately we have smoking gun emails. The problem
Speaker 1: is this is systemic, right, This is systemic oppression of
Speaker 1: conservative viewpoints. Whether or not this gets to the Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: I do think that the Federal Court, if we win,
Speaker 1: will be able to change things for everyone. So other
Speaker 1: people can sue. It will create more opportunities. So no
Speaker 1: matter what, I'm not settling. I don't care how much
Speaker 1: money they offer me if they do. But we're we're
Speaker 1: taking this all the way. We're gonna make sure that
Speaker 1: people have more freedom of speech. I love to hear
Speaker 1: it speaking of why Twitter won't censor one candidate but
Speaker 1: will censor others. I want to ask you about a
Speaker 1: clip I found of Joe Biden referring to a famous
Speaker 1: baseball player from what I gather in a very derogatory way.
Speaker 1: But I have to take a quick break, so we'll
Speaker 1: be right back. Stay tuned, all right, Rogan. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play this clip real quick that I found. It's
Speaker 1: of Joe Biden. Well, I won't just here. Just listen
Speaker 1: to the clip. Thank you for your service to our country.
Speaker 1: And I just want to tell you, I know you're
Speaker 1: a little younger than I am, but you know I've
Speaker 1: adopted the attitude of the great Negro at the time
Speaker 1: picture in the Negro leagues went on to become a
Speaker 1: great picture in the pros into the Major League Baseball
Speaker 1: after Jackie Robinson. His name is Satchel Page and Satchel
Speaker 1: Page on his forty seventh birthday, pitched a win against Chicago,
Speaker 1: and all the press went in and said, Sutch, it's
Speaker 1: amazing forty seven years old loans ever ever pitched to
Speaker 1: win at age forty seven? All right, did you catch
Speaker 1: that he called Satchel Page the N word? Um, well,
Speaker 1: one variation of the N word. Uh. You know there
Speaker 1: there was a baseball league called the negro Leagues. But
Speaker 1: I think uh, most would agree that calling a black
Speaker 1: person that term today, uh is not acceptable. And I
Speaker 1: would just say that if this was said by President Trump,
Speaker 1: it would be the only thing we hear about on
Speaker 1: the media for the next two weeks, and they would
Speaker 1: call him a racist. Seven. But we both know that's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen to Joe Biden exactly. And it's not
Speaker 1: the first time that he's made these comments. Obviously, leading
Speaker 1: up to the election cycle, he was making other comments
Speaker 1: saying that if you don't vote for me, you're not black.
Speaker 1: He's been known. In fact, I think Kamala Harris called
Speaker 1: him racist. Interesting how that conversation doesn't continue. Do you
Speaker 1: think that with everything you're doing with social media and
Speaker 1: now what's happening with Twitter? I mean if our Congress
Speaker 1: doesn't get ahold of big tech and the overreach that
Speaker 1: they currently have, do you think that our countries in trouble? Oh?
Speaker 1: I think it is. One of the biggest issues that
Speaker 1: did not get addressed under President Trump was censorship of conservatives.
Speaker 1: I tend to think that if we had protected free
Speaker 1: speech on social media more, uh, he'd be sitting in
Speaker 1: the Oval office despite all the election irregularities. I think
Speaker 1: it would have been overwhelming. Um, but it's it's probably
Speaker 1: the most important issue because as without free speech. You
Speaker 1: know what did George Washington say, you know, dumb and blind,
Speaker 1: We're you know, but sheep led to the slaughter. And
Speaker 1: if you are not allowed to criticize your government, so
Speaker 1: you know right now, so many times on social media
Speaker 1: if you say something against Joe Biden that isn't exactly
Speaker 1: perfectly accurate. And even then, if you just criticize gas prices,
Speaker 1: they'll say, well, fact check, these are just seasonal adjustments.
Speaker 1: This is not Joe Biden's fault, or fact check on inflation.
Speaker 1: This is just transitory, not Joe Biden's. They are literally
Speaker 1: covering for the government, for a corrupt government. And that's
Speaker 1: how far out of whack this has gotten, and the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court in their concurring opinion talked specifically about Section
Speaker 1: two thirty and how these social media platforms apply labels
Speaker 1: to post right so part of their liability protections that
Speaker 1: they're treated as platforms. They just allow things to be said.
Speaker 1: They can't be how liable if song says something legal.
Speaker 1: But when they start intervening so aggressively and apply these labels,
Speaker 1: fact checks, missing context, or they deleted or whatever, especially
Speaker 1: when it's just criticizing the government. What's the difference between
Speaker 1: that In the New York Times, they're a publisher. They're
Speaker 1: putting information out that perfectly conforms with their opinions and viewpoints.
Speaker 1: That is not what Section two thirty is about. So
Speaker 1: I am hoping my case is able to help start
Speaker 1: that transition into more protections for free speech. But absolutely
Speaker 1: the GOP when they retake Congress, needs to pass legislation
Speaker 1: that protects our rights to speak freely on social media.
Speaker 1: So you do think, and I think you have a
Speaker 1: pretty good idea of the flow of what the public
Speaker 1: and the American people are feeling right now. I know
Speaker 1: that your account. I mean, if that was to be
Speaker 1: a focus group. It would be a pretty solid focus group.
Speaker 1: You have how many followers two point five million followers.
Speaker 1: I have two point one million followers on Instagram, but
Speaker 1: at least three million overall when you factor in Facebook, Getter, Parlor, YouTube,
Speaker 1: all the apps. Okay, so you're seeing that there will
Speaker 1: be a red wave. I know Bannon had projected that
Speaker 1: it's about what we're supposed to pick up, maybe fifty
Speaker 1: five seats in the House alone, based on what happened
Speaker 1: in Virginia. What are your predictions for the election cycle.
Speaker 1: I think Anna Paulina Luna is going to win in
Speaker 1: a landslide, flip a blue seat, and lead the charge
Speaker 1: for a massive red wave across this country. There's a
Speaker 1: reason Charlie Chris isn't running against her this cycle. There's
Speaker 1: a reason Nancy Pelosi is considering retiring. There's a reason
Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow is retiring in April. There's a reason Brian
Speaker 1: Williams is retiring soon. There are a lot of people
Speaker 1: that saw They already knew this, but they saw what
Speaker 1: happened in Virginia, and it is all but certain that
Speaker 1: there's going to be a red way because the American
Speaker 1: people are fed up with what they are seeing being
Speaker 1: done to their country, to their children, to their pocket books.
Speaker 1: They're done and they're gonna put common sense back in charge. Okay.
Speaker 1: I love to hear, and I think that more people
Speaker 1: also to this is kind of the wind that we
Speaker 1: all needed, because when you see what's happened, I think
Speaker 1: from the time that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris set
Speaker 1: foot in the White House, it's just been one after
Speaker 1: the other after the other of just negative, negative news
Speaker 1: out of that White House. And we know that Joe
Speaker 1: Biden is sympathetic to China. You can see everything with
Speaker 1: the legislation, with this crazy infrastructure bill. It is literally
Speaker 1: not for the American people as anything but that I
Speaker 1: have to take one last commercial break and then I
Speaker 1: want to ask you how others can get involved. Will
Speaker 1: be right back, all right, Rogan. So, as the leader
Speaker 1: of the free media, which you truly are on social media,
Speaker 1: obviously there may be people listening to this that might
Speaker 1: be looking at basically leaving their jobs or they see
Speaker 1: what's happening with everything with these mandates to where they
Speaker 1: are nervous about taking that first step. What is your
Speaker 1: advice to them? I think the first thing they should
Speaker 1: ask themselves is are they able to answer their kids
Speaker 1: one day proudly when their kids asked, mom, dad, what
Speaker 1: did you do when communism started taking over America? Did
Speaker 1: you sit back and just work your job and collect
Speaker 1: your paychecks and hope it doesn't come for you? Or
Speaker 1: did you step up and push back in whatever way
Speaker 1: you could, Whether that's being an elected official, whether that's
Speaker 1: working on the election system, whether that's being a volunteer
Speaker 1: for campaigns, whether that's being a donor for campaigns, whether
Speaker 1: that's being someone that posts on social media, someone that
Speaker 1: writes op eds, someone that creates videos. Everyone can do something,
Speaker 1: and I will tell you the most powerful force in
Speaker 1: the world is the awakened American people. We are slow
Speaker 1: to move, but once we get moving, we are unstoppable.
Speaker 1: The American people have accomplished anything, Any major challenge has
Speaker 1: been overcome by the American people in the last two
Speaker 1: or fifty years, starting from our founding, continuing through World
Speaker 1: War Two and into today. We are now at another crossroads.
Speaker 1: A massive, uh existential threat to our way of life
Speaker 1: is here within our borders. Are you going to step
Speaker 1: up and stand up for freedom and pass on that
Speaker 1: freedom to your children so that they can enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna sit back and let it all just
Speaker 1: happen and wish one day when you're old, that you
Speaker 1: had actually done more to stop it? I hope you
Speaker 1: make the right decision. Well if that doesn't get you
Speaker 1: fired up, I don't know what will. Everyone Make sure
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Speaker 1: that's right, everything except for Twitter. All right, well, everyone
Speaker 1: give him a follow. Thank you so much for joining
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Speaker 1: to have you back. Before we go, I want to
Speaker 1: thank DC Dreano again for such a great interview, and
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