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Speaker 3: As we are back from training camp and we are
Speaker 3: getting gearing up for the second leg of train here
Speaker 3: at the Star in Fristco and then also for the
Speaker 3: regular season with Isaiah stand Back, Nick Harris, John Matchoda,
Speaker 3: I'm Kyle Yeoman's.
Speaker 2: The entire crew is here.
Speaker 5: And good thing because we've got some new digs to
Speaker 5: talk about.
Speaker 6: Gentlemen, Yeah, yeah, new indeed.
Speaker 2: How do you like it? I love it? I love it.
Speaker 7: We were talking about it earlier about how every show
Speaker 7: just kind of has a different feel to it, which
Speaker 7: I really appreciate.
Speaker 6: That's that's that's big time to whoever designed it.
Speaker 5: I guess John, you liked the last studio, but I.
Speaker 8: Mean I liked the last ye this is better, but
Speaker 8: I mean the last studio. I thought it was really
Speaker 8: nice too, you know. I mean, if you guys seen
Speaker 8: how plain and boring my place was, Like there's just
Speaker 8: only a couple of pictures on the wall, like no
Speaker 8: plants or anything. I mean, it just looks like you
Speaker 8: can really just do a simple move in and out.
Speaker 8: So to see all this stuff and how quickly.
Speaker 9: They changed everything, like, yeah, it's it's amazing, it's really nice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we just got up, went to training camp, came
Speaker 5: back and this is what it looked like.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it, man, this is yeah,
Speaker 2: this is a good vibe. It's a good vibe.
Speaker 10: I got TV's all over the plays cameras, high diff
Speaker 10: a little Brandon on the wall, Zach Martin on the wall.
Speaker 2: I wonder when that was done, but it looks good.
Speaker 8: I always wonder, like you makes these things, like is
Speaker 8: this like who's making? Like is that your job full time?
Speaker 8: Do people just make sets? Are there enough? Do enough
Speaker 8: people need sets that your full time job is to
Speaker 8: make sets? Because what else would you do? I mean,
Speaker 8: I don't know how making this table be similar to
Speaker 8: me making like a table for someone's house or something
Speaker 8: like that. Yeah, I always wonder, like I always thought
Speaker 8: about that on Sports Center because Sports Center always you know,
Speaker 8: trying to switch stuff up and things like them, like
Speaker 8: who's doing this?
Speaker 9: Is that your full time job?
Speaker 3: I think it is a full time job for for
Speaker 3: certain design companies. But like you said, I mean, you're
Speaker 3: not just gonna put this in your your house, Like
Speaker 3: this isn't going to be in your dining room.
Speaker 9: And hey, where's the old one?
Speaker 2: See that's the thing I hear. They're taking bids on
Speaker 2: the old one.
Speaker 5: So if you want to try on.
Speaker 2: It, it's in the it's in the other room. What's
Speaker 2: in the storage? You can take some bids on it.
Speaker 2: Do you determine?
Speaker 6: It's a great question, it's a great question.
Speaker 9: Is a standard?
Speaker 2: I don't know what is standard? What would you what
Speaker 2: would you call standard?
Speaker 5: We have to make sure Nate fit.
Speaker 3: It's got to be Nate old Nate just in case, oh,
Speaker 3: just a case. It's a good idea. It's a good idea.
Speaker 3: All right, let's get into it. Preseason Game number two
Speaker 3: is in the books, twenty two to fourteen. The Cowboys
Speaker 3: fall to Seattle on Saturday. Isaiah, it was a pleasure
Speaker 3: being in the booth with you for the last two games.
Speaker 3: You're gonna kill it this week because I'll be not
Speaker 3: in the booth. We'll have some high school football to
Speaker 3: deal with, so and foot the body. Michael Irvin will
Speaker 3: come and replace me. So he'll do a great job.
Speaker 3: I guess Michael Irvin he played it back in the
Speaker 3: day at some point.
Speaker 5: So, but yeah, Seattle takes down Dallas. There was a
Speaker 5: lot to learn.
Speaker 3: I think in that game, John, whenever you go back
Speaker 3: and you look at the film, there was a lot
Speaker 3: going on. There was a lot going on both sides
Speaker 3: of the football. Will get to the injuries in a
Speaker 3: couple moments, but what were your overall takes?
Speaker 8: So I think by this point we should be used
Speaker 8: to the fact that, Okay, Jalen Tolbert has made this jump,
Speaker 8: but there's still always just I don't know, man, These
Speaker 8: last couple of weeks, I've just I'm impressed, And I
Speaker 8: think it goes back to kind of it's all about
Speaker 8: your perception. What were you expecting of the player? And
Speaker 8: maybe my expectations were too low, But from what I've
Speaker 8: seen from him and he carried it over into the
Speaker 8: Seattle game, Like I kind of just feel like he's
Speaker 8: he's ready to contribute. Like it's not can he win
Speaker 8: the number four job, like if they need him on
Speaker 8: a Sunday. I feel pretty confident in what they have
Speaker 8: in him and the everything that has stood out to
Speaker 8: me this entire time about Jalen Tolbert. Isaiah would obviously
Speaker 8: know it's a lot better than I would, but just
Speaker 8: the fact that from practice to games whatever, it's not
Speaker 8: like he's always playing with the same quarterback either, you know,
Speaker 8: like Ceedee Lamb's probably not going to catch many passes
Speaker 8: from anybody other than Dak Prescott, and whether it's game, practice, whatever,
Speaker 8: Like I feel like Tolbert, you know, I mean, I've
Speaker 8: seen him make some great grabs out at camp from
Speaker 8: Will Greer and then he plays with Cooper Rush and
Speaker 8: seems like everything clicks there. So let's see how it
Speaker 8: goes when he's with Dak. But I've been very impressed
Speaker 8: with Jalen Tolbert.
Speaker 2: What did you think about him? Tolbert did a good job.
Speaker 10: I think he's been relatively consistent all training camp all
Speaker 10: the way through the preseason, So I mean He's definitely
Speaker 10: showing up. He's becoming a guy that everybody really hoped
Speaker 10: he would have been last year. Sometimes it takes a
Speaker 10: little bit more time for some guys, but either way,
Speaker 10: the light bulbs come on and his led is not halogen,
Speaker 10: so he's doing He's shining bright like a diamond.
Speaker 8: Do you think it would be the same thing if
Speaker 8: for him, if let's say they stayed with Kellen Moore
Speaker 8: and it was the same offenses, or do you think
Speaker 8: that this offense helps him acclimate quicker or do you
Speaker 8: think it's all in just him that hey, he put
Speaker 8: the work in, it wouldn't matter.
Speaker 10: I mean, that's a good question. I don't think any
Speaker 10: of us can really put our finger on it. I
Speaker 10: think that he definitely has grown in his confidence. His
Speaker 10: offseason approach seemingly seemed different. He came in in better shape.
Speaker 10: It looked like he's ready for camp. But then I
Speaker 10: think a lot of these shorter routes kind of play
Speaker 10: to his favor. Kellen Moore, a lot of majority of
Speaker 10: his routes were kind of pushed down the field. That's
Speaker 10: not to say that Jaya intober I can't run routes
Speaker 10: down the field. I just think that he's able with
Speaker 10: his frame to win on these slant routes, and you
Speaker 10: saw him kind of set it up and even in
Speaker 10: the first quarter, you know, set guy outside come across
Speaker 10: his face and right, being able to make a good, solid,
Speaker 10: strong catch at the point of you know, high point
Speaker 10: the ball. All those type of things are really working
Speaker 10: in his favor. So that's going to obviously benefit him
Speaker 10: his positioning to be able to be the fourth guy
Speaker 10: on this roster. And we know that the fourth guy
Speaker 10: is going to get some tick on this team, so
Speaker 10: you know he's putting. He's definitely done a great job
Speaker 10: of positioning himself.
Speaker 7: I will say just having a new system and being
Speaker 7: able to come into this new year with a new system,
Speaker 7: it allows for a complete refresh for him, and I
Speaker 7: think it benefited him arguably more than anybody coming into
Speaker 7: their second year, just because he's allowed to regain that
Speaker 7: confidence in a completely new system. He's allowed to pick
Speaker 7: up those things and kind of just throw away everything
Speaker 7: that happened last year, and I think he's been able
Speaker 7: to do that really well. The confidence is stacking each
Speaker 7: and every day. We see it every time he hits
Speaker 7: the field, and you were talking about just kind of
Speaker 7: a developed routree he's starting to have, which is really
Speaker 7: fun in this offense because he can do the short stuff,
Speaker 7: he can do the stuff downfield as well. We've seen
Speaker 7: that through the two preseason games. I think he had
Speaker 7: a pass in a first quarter on Saturday where it
Speaker 7: was downfield on the side line just got physical with
Speaker 7: this guy. It shook off DPI. Wasn't OPI this time?
Speaker 7: And I asked him Aftuere. I was like, did you
Speaker 7: think it was maybe Opi either throwing it on you again?
Speaker 7: And he was like, Nah, it couldn't have been that time.
Speaker 8: But it was that Michael Jackson, who that is a
Speaker 8: player that Salik is a guy that's not going to
Speaker 8: be on a roster. You know, That's the thing so
Speaker 8: often in preseason people bet, oh, but who was he
Speaker 8: doing against? But I mean Michael Jackson is a pretty
Speaker 8: good corner.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, he's probably going to start for Seattle, opposite of
Speaker 3: Tarik Wohlan, who was of course a pro bowler last
Speaker 3: year as a rookie. So I think you have options
Speaker 3: with Jalen Tolbert. This is a rankum that's on Dallas
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Speaker 3: It was really well done by the entire team rank
Speaker 3: them selecting all Oxnar teams as camp ends at least
Speaker 3: camp on the Oxnard on the West Coast. Brandon Cooks
Speaker 3: was number four, so that was the top wide receiver mentioned.
Speaker 3: Ceedee Lamb was number six and Jayalen Tolbert was right
Speaker 3: behind him at number seven.
Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb has made a name.
Speaker 3: For himself in Oxnard the last couple of years, and
Speaker 3: he's made a name for himself for other reasons too,
Speaker 3: but the fact that he's always been the number one
Speaker 3: receiver to watch and the fact that Jalen Tolbert is
Speaker 3: right up there snug next to him because of his
Speaker 3: performance and what he did on the West Coast, I
Speaker 3: think is a huge plus for this offense because it's
Speaker 3: almost like adding if he can continue this, it's adding
Speaker 3: a receiver in the offseason that you didn't have last year,
Speaker 3: adding another weapon that you didn't have last year, and it.
Speaker 5: Just opens up the possibilities across the board.
Speaker 7: I do have a question, do you think he's closer?
Speaker 7: And I know it's early. He needs to prove it
Speaker 7: in the regular season.
Speaker 6: Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 7: But do you think he's closer to pushing Michael Gallup
Speaker 7: than someone is to push him at this point?
Speaker 5: Oh, talking about for a wide receiver three Yeah, if.
Speaker 2: You take the paycheck out of it, yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 6: That makes sense for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I mean even without the paycheck involved, you're still
Speaker 3: gonna get targets because it's game time.
Speaker 2: You might get fed targets. It's not how it works.
Speaker 2: Michael Gallup is gonna get the three reps no matter what.
Speaker 3: I don't think Dak Prescott is paying Michael Gallup, my dude.
Speaker 3: But he's gonna throw the ball. If Jalen Tolbert's open,
Speaker 3: He's gonna.
Speaker 10: Get the ball Tobert's gonna be on the field because
Speaker 10: four receivers are hardly ever going.
Speaker 2: To be on the field.
Speaker 10: So Michael Gallup is an rotating guy, and because of
Speaker 10: his page trote, he'll he'll be.
Speaker 6: On the field, especially with the way this offense likes
Speaker 6: used tight ends. And I've been thinking about that.
Speaker 7: You know, Jalen Talbert's had this great camp, He's doing
Speaker 7: so many good things in preseason, but when can we
Speaker 7: see him on the field in the regular season?
Speaker 6: How is that gonna work?
Speaker 7: I've just kind of been thinking about that. I'm curious
Speaker 7: to see that in Week one how many snaps he
Speaker 7: really gets, but I think it'll be intriguing.
Speaker 3: Nevertheless, does it help in the fact that last year,
Speaker 3: whenever they did have the three wide receivers that are
Speaker 3: the so called three wide receivers that you kind of
Speaker 3: went with, which was Lamb, Callup and Noah Brown, there
Speaker 3: really wasn't There was a there was a distance gap
Speaker 3: between the three and the four. So now that you
Speaker 3: have a closer four than you did last year, maybe
Speaker 3: there is a better rotation between the two. Michael Gallup
Speaker 3: last year was expected to come back from injury and
Speaker 3: be wide receiver two to see the Lamb. That was
Speaker 3: the expectation for Mike. It didn't live up to that
Speaker 3: expectation because partially I think he rushed back from the injury.
Speaker 3: He wasn't completely healthy, and he pushed through it because
Speaker 3: he's a team player and he was trying to be
Speaker 3: available for his squad.
Speaker 5: But now there aren't those expectations for Michael Gallup.
Speaker 3: The paycheck says one thing, no doubt, but Jalen Tolbert
Speaker 3: has a top one hundred tag on him as well,
Speaker 3: he was a third round pick. There's a pride factor
Speaker 3: in that as well. He's gonna get opportunities just as
Speaker 3: much as Michael Gallup does. I understand there's a paycheck,
Speaker 3: but there's also draft stock, and there's a pride that
Speaker 3: goes back and forth between the two of them.
Speaker 5: I think he's gonna see a significant rotation.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 3: Is he expected to be a one thousand yard receiver.
Speaker 3: Is he going to be on the field as a starter.
Speaker 3: Probably not. He's gonna have to do it in rotation.
Speaker 3: But John, I think whenever you look at Jalen Tolbert,
Speaker 3: he's earned that rotation just based off of the way
Speaker 3: that he's practiced and the way that he's played in
Speaker 3: these two preseason games already.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just feel like there's always gonna be injuries
Speaker 8: in football. And you know, you mentioned getting to Cedric
Speaker 8: will or Noah Brown, Cedric Wilson. There's just been guys
Speaker 8: over the years where, yeah, maybe right off the start
Speaker 8: of the season you don't necessarily think that you're gonna
Speaker 8: get a lot from them, but just the way the
Speaker 8: position is played and how physical the game is, you
Speaker 8: just never know when something's going to happen, and then
Speaker 8: you have to be called on immediately to step in.
Speaker 8: So in a way, I mean, if he doesn't play
Speaker 8: a ton this season, maybe it's a good sign for
Speaker 8: the Cowboys that because that meant all your top three
Speaker 8: receivers performed and they all stayed healthy. But that's also
Speaker 8: you also got to be a realistic I mean, it's
Speaker 8: a long season and injuries happened. And when I say
Speaker 8: injuries too, I don't even mean necessarily the oh this
Speaker 8: guy tore an ACL he's up for these I'm talking
Speaker 8: about in the middle of a game, you know, a
Speaker 8: guy twists his knee something, he has to come out,
Speaker 8: like for a few players something. Jalen Tolbert is going
Speaker 8: to have to step in right away, and from what
Speaker 8: we've seen, he looks like he can handle that. Whereas
Speaker 8: last year, I mean, that's why you went out and
Speaker 8: got t Y Hilton because you didn't know if you
Speaker 8: had that next guy that that could kind of step up.
Speaker 9: And now they have to feel good about what.
Speaker 2: They have there.
Speaker 5: Now, what about the defensive side of the football.
Speaker 3: Because the defense, of course you're not seeing any starters Isaiah,
Speaker 3: But what did you see on Saturday against Seattle, and
Speaker 3: what were some of the things that you took away
Speaker 3: from that one.
Speaker 10: I feel as if the defensive line was doing a
Speaker 10: good job of getting up the field, but I don't
Speaker 10: think there was a lot of gap discipline there in
Speaker 10: the game. Obviously with their quarterback being able to take
Speaker 10: off a bunch, uh so there are some some holes
Speaker 10: there that they have to shure up. Obviously, we'll get
Speaker 10: to the injury stuff. The secondary. You know Jyye Thomas,
Speaker 10: He's had one heck of a preseason. I mean, even
Speaker 10: without the interception, that dude is flying around even towards
Speaker 10: the end of the game. I'm I was watching him
Speaker 10: on places where nobody's even looking at him, and I'm like,
Speaker 10: this dude is playing still with a ton of energy left.
Speaker 10: So I'm super proud of him and what he's been
Speaker 10: able to produce in the in the preseason. The young secondary,
Speaker 10: you know, Eric Scott, juniors of the world. Those guys
Speaker 10: still have a lot to learn, seemingly about just awareness,
Speaker 10: kind of just appropriate reception, just being aware where where
Speaker 10: they're at in space. There's a lot of opportunities I
Speaker 10: think we saw in the game where they were unaware
Speaker 10: of where the ball was at and those are things
Speaker 10: that you know that you learn right you see it
Speaker 10: on film, you experience it, you see it on film.
Speaker 10: You know our hairs coaches them up and then they're
Speaker 10: ten times better the next couple opportunities. But in terms
Speaker 10: of what we've seen so far, I think awareness, spatial
Speaker 10: awareness is important. I discipline is something that also needs
Speaker 10: to be shared up on. But when you're in that position,
Speaker 10: you're so locked in as a young player. You're so
Speaker 10: locked in even a draft PI because you're not guaranteed
Speaker 10: on this roster, on that side of the ball, that
Speaker 10: you're going to be retained. You're you're locked in on
Speaker 10: your assignment. And sometimes when you're so intent on trying
Speaker 10: to do your assignment, you forget some of the other
Speaker 10: tangible things that you that also are required, other attributes
Speaker 10: that are require for you to be a holistic player.
Speaker 10: And that's really the battle for young guys in the preseason.
Speaker 10: And it's frustrating because it's like, oh, I did this
Speaker 10: dog and I forgot about this, you know, and those
Speaker 10: one little things, you know, I did a good job.
Speaker 10: I got my hand on them at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 10: I shadowed to them I got my hand on the hip.
Speaker 10: I stayed with him the whole route, but shoot, I
Speaker 10: forgot to turn around and find a ball and there's
Speaker 10: a completion right, and it's like the ultimate goal was
Speaker 10: still achieved by the by the offensive player because you
Speaker 10: missed that one little check box.
Speaker 2: So overall, they're looking relatively good.
Speaker 10: Just kind of just tighten up some things with some
Speaker 10: of the younger guys, looking forward to seeing the ones
Speaker 10: obviously here really in a couple of weeks putting an
Speaker 10: owl out there. But in terms of these guys, they're
Speaker 10: coming along as you would expect in a preseason.
Speaker 9: I think it's olf. I don't think I just want
Speaker 9: to add on that real quick.
Speaker 8: Is just I think it's funny how you mentioned about
Speaker 8: guys potentially, like young guys, having nerves, because I think
Speaker 8: a lot of fans would watch these games like it's
Speaker 8: a preseason game, nine o'clock start in Seattle. Like you,
Speaker 8: as a fan, might not take it that serious because
Speaker 8: Dak's not out there and twenty five veterans aren't out there,
Speaker 8: But to these guys, this is everything.
Speaker 9: This is you know, a little mistake.
Speaker 8: I remember you talking about it early in camp when
Speaker 8: we had one of our first shows about how like
Speaker 8: one little thing you'll remember for the rest of your
Speaker 8: life if it like so, I think it's easy sometimes
Speaker 8: to kind of if you're a fan and not think
Speaker 8: about it, especially in the second half of some of
Speaker 8: these games, because you're just like, who really, you know.
Speaker 8: I was watching the tail end of the game that
Speaker 8: was on right before the Cowboys game on NFL Network
Speaker 8: with the Bears, and it was just dragging on, and
Speaker 8: I'm sitting there as a fan, going just run the
Speaker 8: clock and get this game over with. Nobody cares. But
Speaker 8: these players, the players that are out there, this means
Speaker 8: a lot to them. And so I always think about
Speaker 8: that too when people talk like, just get rid of
Speaker 8: the preseason, you don't need the preseason. Yeah, that's fine
Speaker 8: for some of your starters, but like, there's a lot
Speaker 8: of guys that they want these preseason games, and the
Speaker 8: coaching staff wants it so they can evaluate them.
Speaker 7: And the preseason's unforgiving in all three phases of the game.
Speaker 7: It's unforgiving. I think we saw special teams, the punt,
Speaker 7: the punt that got blocked on Saturday night. You know,
Speaker 7: Rico had this great game, and that's the thing that's
Speaker 7: focused on afterward, you know, So it's unforgiving at times,
Speaker 7: but I wanted to especially highlight Eric Scott talking about
Speaker 7: the defensive side of the ball because I feel like
Speaker 7: we saw the highest of what his potential could be,
Speaker 7: and we also saw the first year learning curve that
Speaker 7: he still has to take the highest potential being on
Speaker 7: the very first drive getting two pass breakups on Tyler Lockett. Yes,
Speaker 7: I'm saying too, because one of them was definitely out
Speaker 7: of balance, so it's not a completion. So I'm accounting
Speaker 7: for him, and he's probably getting graded out that way
Speaker 7: by the staff too, So like if he's gonna get
Speaker 7: graded out that way, then that's how we should treat it.
Speaker 7: And then another one that forced a fourth down. Did
Speaker 7: fantastic job against the ones in that first drive, but
Speaker 7: then later later in the first gave Jackson Smith and
Speaker 7: jigbit inside leverage, and if you if you know anything
Speaker 7: about Jackson Smith and Jig, but he's going to take
Speaker 7: advantage of that every single time quick release slant he
Speaker 7: was gone. I will give Eric Scott credit though he
Speaker 7: was able to pick up a ground on him and
Speaker 7: at least get into a position to make a play.
Speaker 7: But Jackson's Jackson, and he did his thing. But I'm
Speaker 7: really excited to see what his process looks like. I think,
Speaker 7: I think, you know, give him a year in the system,
Speaker 7: let him, you know, maybe take a valuable rep here
Speaker 7: there as the season goes on, you know, just to
Speaker 7: get just get his feet wet. But I think he's
Speaker 7: eventually going to be a contributor on this team for sure.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 5: I'm excited about some of these young players.
Speaker 3: And I was excited about a couple of young players
Speaker 3: that went down on Saturday as well, And we're gonna
Speaker 3: get to that when we come back.
Speaker 5: On the other side of the break, the Marvion.
Speaker 3: Overshown John steven Junior both torn acls and just ultimately
Speaker 3: a gut punch for two guys that had great camps
Speaker 3: were really finding a role on this team, both offensively
Speaker 3: for Stevens and then of course over shown on the
Speaker 3: defensive side. But when we come back, let's talk about
Speaker 3: how the Cowboys have to react. Now, Are they okay
Speaker 3: at linebacker? Do they have enough at this young tight
Speaker 3: end room to keep you confident going into the regular season,
Speaker 3: or should some moves be made. We'll even talk about
Speaker 3: the offensive line a little bit when we come back
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Speaker 3: two guys go down. Three guys technically, if you want
Speaker 3: to count Matt will Letsko as well. Not nearly as
Speaker 3: serious for Matt Willletsk go. But we'll talk offensive line
Speaker 3: here in a couple of moments. Torn acl for de
Speaker 3: Marvin Overshown, third round pick out of Texas linebacker who
Speaker 3: was shining in the preseason. I talked to Dan Quinn
Speaker 3: just a couple of days before the game against Seattle,
Speaker 3: and I asked him which young guy has he been
Speaker 3: impressed with, and he gave me De Marvi an Overshew.
Speaker 3: That was the first name out of his mouth he did.
Speaker 3: He ended up saying Eric Scott Junior. To your point
Speaker 3: in the last segment, but Dan was very complimentary about
Speaker 3: Overshown in his versatility, his talent level. I thought he
Speaker 3: was very high on what he had and to see
Speaker 3: him go down as a gut punch. I know, Isaiah,
Speaker 3: you and I were surrender cobra in the booth. I
Speaker 3: said it like, kind of in a joking manner. We
Speaker 3: were both like this in the booth because you could
Speaker 3: see it pretty immediately. And then John Stephen Jr. John
Speaker 3: Stevens Junior later in the game goes down with an
Speaker 3: acl as well, and undrafted free agent out of Louisiana
Speaker 3: Lafayette that had shined all training camp as well. Let's
Speaker 3: start with overshowing Isaiah, I mean, without him in the fold,
Speaker 3: feels like there's already a void, even though this defense
Speaker 3: is stacked and there's a lot of a lot of
Speaker 3: position groups that are very deep. I don't know if
Speaker 3: f linebacker necessarily counts in that regard.
Speaker 10: Every pretty much every position group on defense is dance
Speaker 10: aside from ironbacker, and I think everybody would probably go
Speaker 10: on record saying that that was a one position group
Speaker 10: that you were probably uneasy about if there were to
Speaker 10: be an injury at any point in time, and during
Speaker 10: the season or preseason, they were not in a position
Speaker 10: to being able to afford an injury.
Speaker 2: I mean, even with Malik Jefferson went down. Sure, the guys.
Speaker 10: I was worried with Malik Jefferson and obviously his is
Speaker 10: not season ending at this point, but he's he was
Speaker 10: fighting for a roster spot. But even with him, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 10: he went down. All right, that's about all they can afford.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 10: It sucks, and I feel for him. I've unfortunately been
Speaker 10: in the situation as he's been in, and it's terrible.
Speaker 10: It's he has a positive outlook and it's it's awesome, right,
Speaker 10: His spirit is awesome. His outlook is awesome, but that's
Speaker 10: forward facing and that might very well be internal as well.
Speaker 10: But he's going to need some support because I mean,
Speaker 10: he knew what he was doing, you know, on the field.
Speaker 10: He knew the product he was putting it on the field,
Speaker 10: he knew how the shape he came in, he knew
Speaker 10: how prepared he was when he stepped on the field.
Speaker 10: He also knew the value and the coaches knew the
Speaker 10: value of what he provided to the team. And you
Speaker 10: now take that element out of it, right, I said, Regardless,
Speaker 10: if you want to title him a linebacker, a safety,
Speaker 10: I mean he's you know, Jayron Curse.
Speaker 2: It's just that's what he is. You're right.
Speaker 10: I mean, that's that's pretty much what he is. I
Speaker 10: don't care whatnever you give him. I don't care where
Speaker 10: you put him at on the field, third, third level,
Speaker 10: or second level. He's another Jaron Curse and he was
Speaker 10: going and Curse was going to appreciate him because he
Speaker 10: was going to take some of the physicality off of him.
Speaker 10: Now you missed that, and now you're asking somebody else
Speaker 10: to step into the fold. Devin Harper's fully cap bull
Speaker 10: to come and play linebacker, but he doesn't have the
Speaker 10: versatility that the mary On Overshawan has.
Speaker 2: He doesn't. I mean, he could be as great as
Speaker 2: he can be, but nobody else.
Speaker 10: Possesses that versatility aside from those two players on the roster,
Speaker 10: Curse and Overshown.
Speaker 2: And now you're missing one of them.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I think God punches the best way to say it,
Speaker 7: especially with those two guys, and going into this preseason,
Speaker 7: the linebacker depth was thin, but I feel like everyone
Speaker 7: had an agreement that it was capable. And now you
Speaker 7: have two guys down in that room, one for the season.
Speaker 7: It almost forces you to make a move there when
Speaker 7: you could have made that same move for offensive line,
Speaker 7: or maybe you don't have to make that move for
Speaker 7: kicker now. So maybe that's the maybe that's the cancel out.
Speaker 7: But I'm sure we'll get into that at some point.
Speaker 7: But I think this especially really sucks for John Stevens
Speaker 7: Junior because it basically resets where he was at whenever
Speaker 7: he entered training camp, because he's gonna have to go
Speaker 7: back into training camp next year as a second year player. Oh,
Speaker 7: this guy was great at training camp last year, but
Speaker 7: he got hurt, so we got to see it again,
Speaker 7: and so he's basically got to start right back over
Speaker 7: and prove everything that he's proven this this training camp.
Speaker 7: So I think it especially hurts for John Stevens because
Speaker 7: once Overshown walks back into training camp next year, everyone
Speaker 7: knows what that potential is. Everyone's going to put him
Speaker 7: in those positions to succeed. And not that they're not
Speaker 7: going to put positions for John Stevens Junior to succeed.
Speaker 7: It's just I think that's going to be a lot
Speaker 7: harder for him to do.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just go back to that first preseason game.
Speaker 8: Biggest takeaways from that game was, Man, I feel a
Speaker 8: lot better about this linebacker group with the way de
Speaker 8: Moon Clark and Demarven Overshield played because going into that game,
Speaker 8: that was one of my biggest concerns or biggest question marks.
Speaker 8: It's like, what do they have here outside of Layton
Speaker 8: vander ash You saw signs from de Monte Clark last year,
Speaker 8: but you're like, you want to see more there. And
Speaker 8: the way that those two played early in that game,
Speaker 8: I was like, well, that answers a lot of questions there.
Speaker 8: They got to feel great about linebacker now, so that
Speaker 8: happens and it just I don't know. The way that
Speaker 8: the injury happened too is just such a freak. And
Speaker 8: also he's making a big play too when it goes down,
Speaker 8: But just to happen out on the sideline like that
Speaker 8: is just I don't know. It just it's not like
Speaker 8: any acl is you understand it, but that is just
Speaker 8: so much worse when it happens on something that you're
Speaker 8: just like, I can't believe that that's the play that's
Speaker 8: going to end his season. But for me personally, I
Speaker 8: just look at linebackers. It's I think it might be
Speaker 8: the most dangerous position in sports. And I think a
Speaker 8: lot about like the Chris Borlands and Louke Keikley's and
Speaker 8: the Patrick Willis is that, you know, we we got
Speaker 8: to see a lot of greatness from especially Willison Keikley,
Speaker 8: but they both hung it up early. I mean, that's
Speaker 8: just a tough I mean, heck, just here Sean Lee.
Speaker 8: It just always seemed like if it was one thing
Speaker 8: after another. Layton Vanders has had his issues obviously, it
Speaker 8: just is such a dangerous position that you just almost
Speaker 8: never feel comfortable about your depth there. But now I
Speaker 8: look at the roster and I'm like, I almost feel
Speaker 8: like you got to go out and try and get
Speaker 8: some type of a veteran at least for some depth.
Speaker 8: You don't necessarily you're not going to get it to
Speaker 8: Marvin overshow sure, but you're going to need probably some
Speaker 8: depth there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, feeling the void, not only from a versatility standpoint,
Speaker 3: is pretty much impossible for a guy like demarvi an
Speaker 3: overshown who's missing. But then it turns into a numbers
Speaker 3: game because depending on how long Malik Jefferson's out, you
Speaker 3: have Devin Harper, Jabril Cox, Layton Vander esh Damne Clark,
Speaker 3: am I missing anybody.
Speaker 5: I mean, there might be one more name that I'm missing,
Speaker 5: But for the most part. That's it.
Speaker 3: Those are your four guys as a linebacking corps. And
Speaker 3: like John said, all it takes is one hit. And
Speaker 3: just like it did with de Marvey at Overshones, just
Speaker 3: as it did with Malik Jefferson, it takes one hit.
Speaker 3: There are some names out there. Kyle van Noy is
Speaker 3: still on the open market, thirty two years old, spent
Speaker 3: last year with the Chargers, former Patriot. Definitely he would
Speaker 3: be a veteran to bring in true linebacker, true inside linebacker.
Speaker 5: Jayon Brown from Las Vegas last year. He's twenty eight
Speaker 5: years old. He's on the open market.
Speaker 3: Gerrod Davis, John Bostick, Mikah Kaiser, Jermaine Carter. Those are
Speaker 3: just some of the names that are there. So there
Speaker 3: are options. Now, are they exciting options. No, But at
Speaker 3: this point in the process you're not going to see
Speaker 3: a whole lot of exciting options. I think last year
Speaker 3: you saw it with Anthony or with Anthony Barr, bringing
Speaker 3: him Barr and bringing him into the mix, but that
Speaker 3: was even a training camp. This is later than that
Speaker 3: move was made, but that was a similar move for
Speaker 3: depth and the guy that could play in a rotation
Speaker 3: and linebacker should something happen to Layton vander esh and
Speaker 3: he ended up playing next to Blayton vanders for quite.
Speaker 5: A bit at the start of the season.
Speaker 10: I think this the conversation about trade equity has to
Speaker 10: present itself again as you start looking at where you're
Speaker 10: actually deep at on this team, defensive line guys are
Speaker 10: most likely guys are either gonna get let go or
Speaker 10: you're gonna get traded.
Speaker 2: It's just is what it is. It's a numbers game
Speaker 2: at that position. They're just too deep.
Speaker 10: They're too deep at that position, and there's too many
Speaker 10: teams that need solid defensive linemen, so you might obviously
Speaker 10: I know for I'm pretty sure they're looking around rosters,
Speaker 10: looking trying to say, okay, who's a little deeper at
Speaker 10: the linebacker position or even like position flex. Maybe somebody
Speaker 10: has a big safety that we can bring down, you
Speaker 10: know who necessarily hasn't fit in with that scheme and
Speaker 10: their current team, that will fit in perfectly here. Because
Speaker 10: I don't think that dan Quinn and this defense is
Speaker 10: looking for a true linebacker. They don't want another true linebacker.
Speaker 10: When I say true linebacker, I'm talking about the e
Speaker 10: vander esch or Jermo Clark. Those are true linebackers, like
Speaker 10: put them in the box, come downhill, take.
Speaker 2: On off his a lignement.
Speaker 10: They're looking for some people with some versus, you know,
Speaker 10: some flex, and that's what Overshown provided. And equally as
Speaker 10: excited as they were about Overshown on defense, they were
Speaker 10: just as excited about John Stevens on the on offense
Speaker 10: and what he was, how he was coming along, and
Speaker 10: the and the assets that he provided them when he
Speaker 10: got down to the red zone. We saw it in camp.
Speaker 10: You know when they got down to the red zone,
Speaker 10: who was going in there? Well, all right, it was
Speaker 10: either Hindershot or Stevens. That's pretty much what it was.
Speaker 10: And Stevens, you know, a KA stretch.
Speaker 2: He's he's a big body. And I know Lindu's right
Speaker 2: now has to be crying in the car because that
Speaker 2: was his project. You know, that was coach.
Speaker 5: Don't don't cry in a car.
Speaker 2: That's okay, Well, it all happens. It happens to everybody, but.
Speaker 3: Don't do that.
Speaker 10: Come but you know, I know a lot of attentions
Speaker 10: is gonna be put on Overshown because he was a
Speaker 10: higher high draft pick and Stevens was you know, obviously
Speaker 10: got picked up, but he has a bright upside as well,
Speaker 10: a bright, bright, bright upside, and he was coming along
Speaker 10: camp and they were going to give him the time.
Speaker 10: I believe they were going to give him the time
Speaker 10: that was needed to become a real asset as a
Speaker 10: tight end in this on this roster.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people gonna say, well, was
Speaker 2: he gonna make it? I think he was training more
Speaker 2: towards making it. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Personally, absolutely, I agree. Two quick things on the linebacker depth. A.
Speaker 7: Whenever we were on the conference call with Mike McCarthy yesterday,
Speaker 7: he mentioned Devin Harper Jabroll Cox as guys that are
Speaker 7: gonna have to step up. He also mentioned Tyrus wheat On,
Speaker 7: drafted free agent of the Mississippi State Correct Mississity, Mississippi State,
Speaker 7: a guy that has a little bit of that versatility
Speaker 7: between the first and second level, not necessarily second and third,
Speaker 7: but honestly overshown. I feel like eventually he was going
Speaker 7: to grow into that body where he was more of
Speaker 7: the first second level, and that's just because of his
Speaker 7: past rush background at Texas. Because they transitioned him from
Speaker 7: that safety down to linebacker, put all that weight on
Speaker 7: saw that wide frame and then he was rushing the
Speaker 7: passer a lot last years at Texas, so I felt
Speaker 7: like that.
Speaker 6: Was what he was trending more towards.
Speaker 7: But he has said before I can play on all
Speaker 7: three levels, so I'm sure they would have to toyed
Speaker 7: around with some different ideas, but nevertheless a Tyros sweets guy.
Speaker 2: Also.
Speaker 7: Second thing online backer depth. I think Waiver Wire is
Speaker 7: going to be very very interesting next week in that department.
Speaker 7: I think that's gonna be They're gonna look around at
Speaker 7: some guys and try to pull somebody that they can
Speaker 7: at least put in the depth of that room and
Speaker 7: watch them work. And also I wouldn't mind seeing Isaiah
Speaker 7: land get some get some opportunities, and in that instance
Speaker 7: as well. I know when he first came in UH
Speaker 7: he had talked about inside linebacker as well, and I
Speaker 7: think he has an interesting skill set for that.
Speaker 2: He's havoc on the D line.
Speaker 6: He has He's been fun and I don't want to
Speaker 6: take him away from that.
Speaker 2: Him.
Speaker 10: Then we both of those guys, yeah, Beast on the
Speaker 10: D line in the preseason, absolutely, when those two are
Speaker 10: in together, it's like, oh crap, well it might be
Speaker 10: your fourth or fifth d line, but y'all better strap
Speaker 10: up as offense of tackles.
Speaker 2: These duds are gonna they're gonna caust you some havoc.
Speaker 2: They've been They've been fun to watch.
Speaker 3: Both those guys were very high, uh on the draft
Speaker 3: board for the Cowboys during April, and they were high
Speaker 3: priority free agents going into that that process as well.
Speaker 3: So having both of them there and showing out I
Speaker 3: think is encouraging. It's tough to see guys go down,
Speaker 3: but like Nick said, I mean, this is an opportunity
Speaker 3: for some of those those young guys to step up
Speaker 3: and kind of fill that void. And then, especially with cutdowns,
Speaker 3: I mean, this is different than what we've had in
Speaker 3: the past. It's one day. NFL rosters are going from
Speaker 3: ninety to fifty three just like that, and of course
Speaker 3: practice squad and stuff goes in there as well, but
Speaker 3: it's all one day. There's no TI there's no tiered
Speaker 3: cutdowns this year, and so it'll be a mad scramble
Speaker 3: for a lot of these prospects that are going to
Speaker 3: be available on waiver wires and be.
Speaker 5: Picked up by other teams.
Speaker 3: I think the Cowboys are probably going to be looking
Speaker 3: at an offensive line. They're gonna be looking at linebacker
Speaker 3: and possibly kicker depending on what that looks.
Speaker 2: Like as well.
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Speaker 2: Isaiah, what are you looking for this week?
Speaker 3: We talked about the injuries, putting those aside, What do
Speaker 3: you want to see from the team as they get
Speaker 3: back to Frisco and they continue to march toward week one?
Speaker 2: Healthy good answer? Yeah, that's number one. I mean, continue
Speaker 2: to put it together. I think it is a tricky week,
Speaker 2: right because.
Speaker 10: As coaches, you're still you still have a job to
Speaker 10: develop the players that you have on your roster, but
Speaker 10: you almost can't help but start letting your mind start
Speaker 10: drifting towards the regular season kickoff.
Speaker 2: For the coaches, they know, for.
Speaker 10: The most part, who's going to be on this roster
Speaker 10: ninety five percent, I would say they probably know at
Speaker 10: this point in time where the rosters at most teams do,
Speaker 10: unless somebody just has a turp in type day that
Speaker 10: just changes everything on its head. These injuries put things
Speaker 10: into a little bit different perspective. Offensively, I would imagine
Speaker 10: that Sean mckinna's job is probably secure now.
Speaker 2: Defensively, you're looking at other.
Speaker 10: People's rosters and you're trying to figure out, Okay, can
Speaker 10: is Cocks going to you know, present himself the way
Speaker 10: that we would like for him to come off of
Speaker 10: his aco from a couple of years ago. Is Devin
Speaker 10: Harp are going to be able to fulfill the role?
Speaker 10: You know on special teams? What does bones Fossil think?
Speaker 10: Are these guys showing up on special teams enough to
Speaker 10: be able to be on the roster at light linebacker?
Speaker 10: So you're you're looking at some of those that's probably
Speaker 10: that five percent that you're probably taking a look at.
Speaker 10: So you're getting those guys prepared to do that, and
Speaker 10: you're just trying to get out of this week healthy honestly,
Speaker 10: and then you in your mind switches over next week.
Speaker 10: So that's where I think that this team needs to
Speaker 10: be focused on right now is continue to execute, stay healthy,
Speaker 10: build upon this offense. They're probably gonna start expanding the
Speaker 10: offense within practice, I would imagine, not necessarily forward facing,
Speaker 10: but practice.
Speaker 2: You have to start it.
Speaker 10: Hey, motions, different position, different personnel groups, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 10: start adding these different flayers to the offense and start
Speaker 10: building on it. But this is hard because the threes
Speaker 10: need to get reps, but your ones also need to
Speaker 10: start getting their reps too, So it's a tough week.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and at the same time, that's focus is slowly
Speaker 7: starting to shift over to New York Giants.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: We had asked office coordinator Brian Schottenheimer lest Thursday somebody
Speaker 7: had did win the preparation for New York Stars, and
Speaker 7: he said within the next seven to ten days. So
Speaker 7: that probably tells you right after that Oakland game, New
Speaker 7: York film, let's get it. So that's that's coming soon.
Speaker 5: But you're playing they're playing Oakland.
Speaker 7: Man, Man, strike strike one, Strike one, Las Vegas, Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 2: We're gonna keep you in check.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 6: I'm typically you're the.
Speaker 2: Youngest one on the squad. You shouldn't be saying Oakland
Speaker 2: more than anybody.
Speaker 6: At least I didn't say Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 5: That would have been That would have been interesting.
Speaker 8: I'm looking forward to that offensive line, you know, being
Speaker 8: in that conference caller say with Mike McCarthy talking about
Speaker 8: how you know this would be the first time for
Speaker 8: the ones to get team reps together because obviously Zach Martin,
Speaker 8: you know, has worked his way back in so to
Speaker 8: see what the offensive line has that's very high on
Speaker 8: my list. You know, when you talk about getting prepared
Speaker 8: for the Giants, I kind of feel like they've been
Speaker 8: prepared for the Giants all off season. And when I
Speaker 8: say that, I mean that there's just a lot of
Speaker 8: stuff that they're not going to show offensively. Yeah, And
Speaker 8: that's what makes my time covering the team. Maybe there's
Speaker 8: another game that I'm not thinking of it. I think
Speaker 8: this might be the most I'm looking forward to a
Speaker 8: Week one just because you know, I mean, you had
Speaker 8: Jason Garrett going to Scotland hand going to callmore, you
Speaker 8: had some similarities on the offense, and will there will
Speaker 8: be some carryover. But there's part of me that's thinking
Speaker 8: that there's going to be some stuff that we see
Speaker 8: week one that were just like whoa where was that?
Speaker 8: Like just that they just didn't want to even show it,
Speaker 8: to even have it out there. And so maybe we'll
Speaker 8: see a little bit of that stuff in some of
Speaker 8: these practices here.
Speaker 9: Maybe we won't.
Speaker 8: Maybe they're going to hang on to that stuff for
Speaker 8: a week one, But little things like that, I'm looking
Speaker 8: forward certainly. I would like to see some of these
Speaker 8: linebackers step up. You know, when you mentioned Jabrill Cox,
Speaker 8: one of the first things I go to is, and
Speaker 8: I hate to be negative like this, but with him,
Speaker 8: he showed signs of being a player before the knee
Speaker 8: injury that you're like, yeah, he's going to be a player.
Speaker 8: And then so it makes you wonder too with overshow
Speaker 8: and think you just can't automatically assume he'll get right
Speaker 8: back to what he was right away. I mean, the
Speaker 8: acls take a little bit of time there, so you
Speaker 8: really need a Jabrill Cox Devin Harper to step up.
Speaker 9: So that's another area for sure.
Speaker 8: And then just because with the offensive line still my
Speaker 8: number one concern is really that the depth on that
Speaker 8: offensive line, I just I wouldn't feel great about anybody
Speaker 8: having to come out in any backup having to go
Speaker 8: in in Week one.
Speaker 2: Right now, I was just about to lean in on that.
Speaker 10: We've kind of looked past the old line and Matt
Speaker 10: Willetsko's injury. I think he had a sub sublexation of
Speaker 10: his shoulder. Had my fair share of those, and it
Speaker 10: was his opposing shoulder from last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, different, so so.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so okay, So since you've had those, what's the
Speaker 10: worst part about You can't punch.
Speaker 5: Okay, you can't punch.
Speaker 2: There's no shoulder stability, your shoulders unstable.
Speaker 10: I can't hold, I can't stop you from pushing through
Speaker 10: me when my shoulder capsule isn't solid.
Speaker 2: So that I hate to think about it like that.
Speaker 10: I mean, the trainers and the doctors make the final
Speaker 10: ruling on that stuff, but just from my experience, I
Speaker 10: don't see that being a viable option anymore. And that
Speaker 10: sucks for him back to back years. But like now,
Speaker 10: oh well, that's good, you take him out the picture.
Speaker 10: Hoffman's been getting pretty done in, pretty.
Speaker 2: Bad on the o line. You know, not be honest, but.
Speaker 10: Barnc Farniac hasn't had the preseason that you'd like from
Speaker 10: the half. So to your point, what happens, right if
Speaker 10: somebody goes down?
Speaker 3: I did, like in the second half of that game
Speaker 3: the other day, I thought the interior of the offensive
Speaker 3: line did. Okay, it was Matt Farniac, brock Hoffman and
Speaker 3: Josh Ball those are the three guys on the interior,
Speaker 3: But I didn't say that until the latter parts of
Speaker 3: the third quarter, whenever they were whenever they were playing
Speaker 3: in the second quarter, I wasn't saying, wow, look at
Speaker 3: this interior offensive line. It was laid in the game
Speaker 3: whenever I finally made a mention to myself and said, ooh, okay,
Speaker 3: well now they're doing work. So I think I'm with
Speaker 3: you as against the ones. I don't feel comfortable with
Speaker 3: any of those guys going in. John said that a
Speaker 3: second ago as well. But if if you're going up
Speaker 3: against the twos and the threes, they're always going to
Speaker 3: look okay. I mean that part of being in two
Speaker 3: and a three, but that's.
Speaker 2: What they are.
Speaker 3: I mean, they are reserves for a reason on that
Speaker 3: offensive line, and I don't think they have a guy
Speaker 3: that they feel comfortable with throwing into a spot sage.
Speaker 8: I think that, Okay, this is a team that if
Speaker 8: you're not even look at it at any other team,
Speaker 8: just looking at this current Dallas Cowboys team. Maybe I'm
Speaker 8: taking it for granted, but there's a part of me
Speaker 8: that thinks, okay, you see so many of the offensive
Speaker 8: linemen that the Packers have under Mike McCarthy that were
Speaker 8: drafted later and then just on this team, you see
Speaker 8: how they were able to develop a guy like Terrence Steele.
Speaker 8: Where do I think Terrence Steele is got the upside
Speaker 8: of Tyron Smith? No, but there were times where you
Speaker 8: were like, man, this might they might have something here.
Speaker 8: This might be a swing tackle, maybe even a starter.
Speaker 8: I don't say that about any of the backup offense now,
Speaker 8: you really don't.
Speaker 5: I think the number the only guy that I've even
Speaker 5: remotely thought about that is or that way.
Speaker 9: Of I'm interested. If you're gonna say the same person as.
Speaker 2: Me, TJ.
Speaker 5: Bass, what were you thinking?
Speaker 9: That's a good point, though I was going to say, well,
Speaker 9: let's go, Well, let's go.
Speaker 3: Last year I was underwhelmed the times with what let's
Speaker 3: go in this camp for obvious reasons.
Speaker 5: And now he's coming back from injury.
Speaker 3: I think before the injury I looked at it and
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, maybe this guy could do something.
Speaker 3: Especially last year I felt really good about what let's go.
Speaker 3: So him coming back from injury, I expected that. Again,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I ever got that that. I
Speaker 3: don't know if he reached those expectation levels for me,
Speaker 3: I think TJ. Bass exceeded my expectations for TJ. Bass
Speaker 3: and so I'm not saying he's ready to be your
Speaker 3: backup right guard by any stretch of the imagination, or
Speaker 3: backup left guard, or wherever you would have put him.
Speaker 3: But at least he's shown that he can exceed the
Speaker 3: expectation that I had for him initially. And I don't
Speaker 3: know if I could say that about any of the
Speaker 3: rest of the offensive line.
Speaker 7: I would say with Austin Richards, not necessarily that he's
Speaker 7: exceeded any expectation, but he's done really good in adversity,
Speaker 7: being able to battle, coming in as the starting left
Speaker 7: tackle on two days notice, fighting in that after playing
Speaker 7: guard a lot, after playing guard the entire camp, and
Speaker 7: then switching mid game to guard, doing that in the
Speaker 7: both of the games, and I think he's he's definitely
Speaker 7: held his own there, and I know I've emphasized it
Speaker 7: many times, but I don't want to cheat his process there.
Speaker 7: So if it takes, you know, later in the season
Speaker 7: to where he even gets on the field, I'm cool
Speaker 7: with that as long as he feels comfortable doing it
Speaker 7: in both of those spots. But I feel like they're
Speaker 7: lining it up to where he can be that reliable
Speaker 7: option on the tackle Warrick card.
Speaker 9: So who's your swing tackle?
Speaker 2: Awesome?
Speaker 6: Awesome Richards.
Speaker 3: Yeah wow, see but that show you have a fifth
Speaker 3: round rookie and that's your swing tackle.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't think told me.
Speaker 8: That though that during Terren Steele's rookie year, I've been like,
Speaker 8: all right, that's fair, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Like, and he was undrafted, so yeah, so he had
Speaker 5: even less thoughts.
Speaker 8: Maybe there's just a lot of luck involved with finding maybe.
Speaker 8: I mean, obviously this this organization has done a phenomenal
Speaker 8: job at finding him in the first round, there's no
Speaker 8: question about that. But after that first round, it just
Speaker 8: I don't know, it's almost like corner with me, where
Speaker 8: it's like some of these corners you'll take, like in
Speaker 8: the second or third round, and then you get and
Speaker 8: there's just so many ups and downs, and then you
Speaker 8: get like a drum bland where you're just like wait
Speaker 8: and I never really saw any ups and downs and
Speaker 8: you just seemed like nothing was ever too big from
Speaker 8: how did that guy not go in like the second
Speaker 8: or I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, credit to them for drafting, but also it's never
Speaker 3: a perfect science, Yeah, never really.
Speaker 5: Is all right?
Speaker 9: Fawn ends up in the sixth rounds?
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. How about that Duce Vaughan again fantastic in
Speaker 5: week two.
Speaker 9: I just feel like we should mention his name every show.
Speaker 2: Let's just throw it in.
Speaker 3: I don't know how it took to this point in
Speaker 3: the show to mention Duce Fawn another touchdown? Has he
Speaker 3: earned enough real quickly? Is he earned a day off
Speaker 3: on Saturday, a day off, day off, pads off?
Speaker 6: No, I don't think so. I think Tot has, and
Speaker 6: I think Rico Daubdle has, but I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think Rico won't touch the field. I don't imagine.
Speaker 9: I don't need to see aymhere as Sam Williams, to
Speaker 9: be honest with.
Speaker 5: You, Okay, I don't want to see any Dumont Clark
Speaker 5: at all.
Speaker 2: He was playing.
Speaker 3: He was playing special teams in the second half of
Speaker 3: that game. Please get him off the field. Let's wrap
Speaker 3: him up and bubble wrap and get him the week one.
Speaker 3: I think I agree with you. I think I think
Speaker 3: all three running backs are going to play again because
Speaker 3: based off of Mike McCarthy yesterday and his conference call,
Speaker 3: he said, Ronald.
Speaker 5: Jones is going to be hard pressed to make it
Speaker 5: to the field. It's a good Saturday.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if they're just gonna roll with
Speaker 3: two and it would be Deuce and Malik Davis.
Speaker 6: I think they'll probably keep carries with Hunter Lipkey.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. Maybe, Yeah, Malik Davis,
Speaker 2: Deuce and lip Key.
Speaker 3: Okay, not a bad not a bad trio, not a
Speaker 3: bad option, all right, Uh quickly, one player to watch
Speaker 3: this week at Cowboys practice.
Speaker 2: Go Devin Harper.
Speaker 9: Devin Harper, Zach Martin.
Speaker 6: Good one, Goodness. I was gonna say, Zach Martin.
Speaker 7: It's his first time getting getting on the offensive line,
Speaker 7: So I'm gonna I'm gonna pie you back off that Evince.
Speaker 8: He's been like staring at me this entire you know how,
Speaker 8: Like there's those pictures where like I don't know if
Speaker 8: it's the Mona Lisa or the eyes, Like like I
Speaker 8: just every time I look at Kyle right over.
Speaker 5: My shoulder, beam could probably take my camera.
Speaker 9: Probably angry as I've ever seen them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there he is right there, it's right right there.
Speaker 2: That's Zach Martin. You can't see the eyes, but they
Speaker 2: are looking.
Speaker 6: At John and that's the name of the episode.
Speaker 2: One Oh there is. There's the eyes look at there
Speaker 2: looking at John the whole time.
Speaker 5: And then there's my look at Isaiah, at Isaiah across
Speaker 5: the room. All right, Uh mine is.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: Zach Martin's a good one.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say awesome richards.
Speaker 3: I want to see if we're gonna put them, if
Speaker 3: we're gonna make him our Talking Cowboys swing tackle, then
Speaker 3: I want to see him step up and continue to
Speaker 3: play better. So yeah, I'll say awesome richards this week
Speaker 3: at training camp. I want I'm gonna learn from Zach
Speaker 3: Martin a little bit as he gets back out on
Speaker 3: the field. But that's gonna do it for us here
Speaker 3: on this Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys Again. We'll be
Speaker 3: back on Thursday, ten am Central Time, right here from
Speaker 3: the SWBC studios for Isaiah standback, John Matchoda, Nick Harris,
Speaker 3: I'm Kyle yeomens, Come on, John, get with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, little chopper, get out of here. On top of Cowboys.
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