1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: Cowboys. 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 3: This he is Talking Cowboys, screening live from the Dallas 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 3: Cowboys World Course at the Star in Frisco. 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 4: Street Second dot Pat Touchdown and now your hosts Isaiah Standback, 7 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 4: Patrick Wilker, Nick Harris and Kyle Yeoman's. 8 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: It's a Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black 9 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 3: Rifle Coffee Company, live from the Star in Frisco and 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 3: the SWBC Studios, the brand new. 11 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 5: SWBC Studios inside the Star. 12 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: As we are back from training camp and we are 13 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 3: getting gearing up for the second leg of train here 14 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 3: at the Star in Fristco and then also for the 15 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 3: regular season with Isaiah stand Back, Nick Harris, John Matchoda, 16 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: I'm Kyle Yeoman's. 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: The entire crew is here. 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 5: And good thing because we've got some new digs to 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 5: talk about. 20 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,639 Speaker 6: Gentlemen, Yeah, yeah, new indeed. 21 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: How do you like it? I love it? I love it. 22 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 7: We were talking about it earlier about how every show 23 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 7: just kind of has a different feel to it, which 24 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 7: I really appreciate. 25 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 6: That's that's that's big time to whoever designed it. 26 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 5: I guess John, you liked the last studio, but I. 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 8: Mean I liked the last ye this is better, but 28 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 8: I mean the last studio. I thought it was really 29 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 8: nice too, you know. I mean, if you guys seen 30 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 8: how plain and boring my place was, Like there's just 31 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 8: only a couple of pictures on the wall, like no 32 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 8: plants or anything. I mean, it just looks like you 33 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 8: can really just do a simple move in and out. 34 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 8: So to see all this stuff and how quickly. 35 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 9: They changed everything, like, yeah, it's it's amazing, it's really nice. 36 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, we just got up, went to training camp, came 37 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 5: back and this is what it looked like. 38 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: I love it. I love it, man, this is yeah, 39 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: this is a good vibe. It's a good vibe. 40 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 10: I got TV's all over the plays cameras, high diff 41 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 10: a little Brandon on the wall, Zach Martin on the wall. 42 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: I wonder when that was done, but it looks good. 43 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 8: I always wonder, like you makes these things, like is 44 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 8: this like who's making? Like is that your job full time? 45 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 8: Do people just make sets? Are there enough? Do enough 46 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 8: people need sets that your full time job is to 47 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 8: make sets? Because what else would you do? I mean, 48 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 8: I don't know how making this table be similar to 49 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 8: me making like a table for someone's house or something 50 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 8: like that. Yeah, I always wonder, like I always thought 51 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 8: about that on Sports Center because Sports Center always you know, 52 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 8: trying to switch stuff up and things like them, like 53 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 8: who's doing this? 54 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 9: Is that your full time job? 55 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 3: I think it is a full time job for for 56 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: certain design companies. But like you said, I mean, you're 57 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 3: not just gonna put this in your your house, Like 58 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: this isn't going to be in your dining room. 59 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 9: And hey, where's the old one? 60 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: See that's the thing I hear. They're taking bids on 61 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: the old one. 62 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 5: So if you want to try on. 63 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: It, it's in the it's in the other room. What's 64 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: in the storage? You can take some bids on it. 65 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 2: Do you determine? 66 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 6: It's a great question, it's a great question. 67 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 9: Is a standard? 68 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: I don't know what is standard? What would you what 69 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: would you call standard? 70 00:02:58,760 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 5: We have to make sure Nate fit. 71 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 3: It's got to be Nate old Nate just in case, oh, 72 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: just a case. It's a good idea. It's a good idea. 73 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 3: All right, let's get into it. Preseason Game number two 74 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 3: is in the books, twenty two to fourteen. The Cowboys 75 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 3: fall to Seattle on Saturday. Isaiah, it was a pleasure 76 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 3: being in the booth with you for the last two games. 77 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 3: You're gonna kill it this week because I'll be not 78 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: in the booth. We'll have some high school football to 79 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 3: deal with, so and foot the body. Michael Irvin will 80 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 3: come and replace me. So he'll do a great job. 81 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 3: I guess Michael Irvin he played it back in the 82 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 3: day at some point. 83 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 5: So, but yeah, Seattle takes down Dallas. There was a 84 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 5: lot to learn. 85 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 3: I think in that game, John, whenever you go back 86 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: and you look at the film, there was a lot 87 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 3: going on. There was a lot going on both sides 88 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: of the football. Will get to the injuries in a 89 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: couple moments, but what were your overall takes? 90 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 8: So I think by this point we should be used 91 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 8: to the fact that, Okay, Jalen Tolbert has made this jump, 92 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 8: but there's still always just I don't know, man, These 93 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 8: last couple of weeks, I've just I'm impressed, And I 94 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 8: think it goes back to kind of it's all about 95 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 8: your perception. What were you expecting of the player? And 96 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 8: maybe my expectations were too low, But from what I've 97 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 8: seen from him and he carried it over into the 98 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 8: Seattle game, Like I kind of just feel like he's 99 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 8: he's ready to contribute. Like it's not can he win 100 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 8: the number four job, like if they need him on 101 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 8: a Sunday. I feel pretty confident in what they have 102 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 8: in him and the everything that has stood out to 103 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 8: me this entire time about Jalen Tolbert. Isaiah would obviously 104 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 8: know it's a lot better than I would, but just 105 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 8: the fact that from practice to games whatever, it's not 106 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 8: like he's always playing with the same quarterback either, you know, 107 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 8: like Ceedee Lamb's probably not going to catch many passes 108 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 8: from anybody other than Dak Prescott, and whether it's game, practice, whatever, 109 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 8: Like I feel like Tolbert, you know, I mean, I've 110 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 8: seen him make some great grabs out at camp from 111 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 8: Will Greer and then he plays with Cooper Rush and 112 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 8: seems like everything clicks there. So let's see how it 113 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 8: goes when he's with Dak. But I've been very impressed 114 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 8: with Jalen Tolbert. 115 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 2: What did you think about him? Tolbert did a good job. 116 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 10: I think he's been relatively consistent all training camp all 117 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 10: the way through the preseason, So I mean He's definitely 118 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 10: showing up. He's becoming a guy that everybody really hoped 119 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 10: he would have been last year. Sometimes it takes a 120 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 10: little bit more time for some guys, but either way, 121 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 10: the light bulbs come on and his led is not halogen, 122 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 10: so he's doing He's shining bright like a diamond. 123 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 8: Do you think it would be the same thing if 124 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 8: for him, if let's say they stayed with Kellen Moore 125 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 8: and it was the same offenses, or do you think 126 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 8: that this offense helps him acclimate quicker or do you 127 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 8: think it's all in just him that hey, he put 128 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 8: the work in, it wouldn't matter. 129 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 10: I mean, that's a good question. I don't think any 130 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 10: of us can really put our finger on it. I 131 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 10: think that he definitely has grown in his confidence. His 132 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 10: offseason approach seemingly seemed different. He came in in better shape. 133 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 10: It looked like he's ready for camp. But then I 134 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 10: think a lot of these shorter routes kind of play 135 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 10: to his favor. Kellen Moore, a lot of majority of 136 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 10: his routes were kind of pushed down the field. That's 137 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 10: not to say that Jaya intober I can't run routes 138 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 10: down the field. I just think that he's able with 139 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 10: his frame to win on these slant routes, and you 140 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 10: saw him kind of set it up and even in 141 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 10: the first quarter, you know, set guy outside come across 142 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 10: his face and right, being able to make a good, solid, 143 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 10: strong catch at the point of you know, high point 144 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 10: the ball. All those type of things are really working 145 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 10: in his favor. So that's going to obviously benefit him 146 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 10: his positioning to be able to be the fourth guy 147 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 10: on this roster. And we know that the fourth guy 148 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 10: is going to get some tick on this team, so 149 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 10: you know he's putting. He's definitely done a great job 150 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 10: of positioning himself. 151 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 7: I will say just having a new system and being 152 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 7: able to come into this new year with a new system, 153 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 7: it allows for a complete refresh for him, and I 154 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 7: think it benefited him arguably more than anybody coming into 155 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 7: their second year, just because he's allowed to regain that 156 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 7: confidence in a completely new system. He's allowed to pick 157 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 7: up those things and kind of just throw away everything 158 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 7: that happened last year, and I think he's been able 159 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 7: to do that really well. The confidence is stacking each 160 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 7: and every day. We see it every time he hits 161 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 7: the field, and you were talking about just kind of 162 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 7: a developed routree he's starting to have, which is really 163 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 7: fun in this offense because he can do the short stuff, 164 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 7: he can do the stuff downfield as well. We've seen 165 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 7: that through the two preseason games. I think he had 166 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 7: a pass in a first quarter on Saturday where it 167 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 7: was downfield on the side line just got physical with 168 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 7: this guy. It shook off DPI. Wasn't OPI this time? 169 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 7: And I asked him Aftuere. I was like, did you 170 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 7: think it was maybe Opi either throwing it on you again? 171 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 7: And he was like, Nah, it couldn't have been that time. 172 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 8: But it was that Michael Jackson, who that is a 173 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 8: player that Salik is a guy that's not going to 174 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 8: be on a roster. You know, That's the thing so 175 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 8: often in preseason people bet, oh, but who was he 176 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 8: doing against? But I mean Michael Jackson is a pretty 177 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 8: good corner. 178 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely, he's probably going to start for Seattle, opposite of 179 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: Tarik Wohlan, who was of course a pro bowler last 180 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: year as a rookie. So I think you have options 181 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 3: with Jalen Tolbert. This is a rankum that's on Dallas 182 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: Cowboys dot Com. If you didn't check it out already. 183 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: It was really well done by the entire team rank 184 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: them selecting all Oxnar teams as camp ends at least 185 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 3: camp on the Oxnard on the West Coast. Brandon Cooks 186 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: was number four, so that was the top wide receiver mentioned. 187 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: Ceedee Lamb was number six and Jayalen Tolbert was right 188 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 3: behind him at number seven. 189 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb has made a name. 190 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: For himself in Oxnard the last couple of years, and 191 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 3: he's made a name for himself for other reasons too, 192 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: but the fact that he's always been the number one 193 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: receiver to watch and the fact that Jalen Tolbert is 194 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 3: right up there snug next to him because of his 195 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: performance and what he did on the West Coast, I 196 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: think is a huge plus for this offense because it's 197 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 3: almost like adding if he can continue this, it's adding 198 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 3: a receiver in the offseason that you didn't have last year, 199 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 3: adding another weapon that you didn't have last year, and it. 200 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 5: Just opens up the possibilities across the board. 201 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 7: I do have a question, do you think he's closer? 202 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 7: And I know it's early. He needs to prove it 203 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 7: in the regular season. 204 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 6: Don't get me wrong. 205 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 7: But do you think he's closer to pushing Michael Gallup 206 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 7: than someone is to push him at this point? 207 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 5: Oh, talking about for a wide receiver three Yeah, if. 208 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: You take the paycheck out of it, yeah, it makes sense. 209 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 6: That makes sense for sure. 210 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 211 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: But I mean even without the paycheck involved, you're still 212 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 3: gonna get targets because it's game time. 213 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: You might get fed targets. It's not how it works. 214 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 2: Michael Gallup is gonna get the three reps no matter what. 215 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: I don't think Dak Prescott is paying Michael Gallup, my dude. 216 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 3: But he's gonna throw the ball. If Jalen Tolbert's open, 217 00:08:58,640 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 3: He's gonna. 218 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 10: Get the ball Tobert's gonna be on the field because 219 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 10: four receivers are hardly ever going. 220 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: To be on the field. 221 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 10: So Michael Gallup is an rotating guy, and because of 222 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 10: his page trote, he'll he'll be. 223 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 6: On the field, especially with the way this offense likes 224 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 6: used tight ends. And I've been thinking about that. 225 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 7: You know, Jalen Talbert's had this great camp, He's doing 226 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 7: so many good things in preseason, but when can we 227 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 7: see him on the field in the regular season? 228 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 6: How is that gonna work? 229 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 7: I've just kind of been thinking about that. I'm curious 230 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 7: to see that in Week one how many snaps he 231 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 7: really gets, but I think it'll be intriguing. 232 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 3: Nevertheless, does it help in the fact that last year, 233 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: whenever they did have the three wide receivers that are 234 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 3: the so called three wide receivers that you kind of 235 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: went with, which was Lamb, Callup and Noah Brown, there 236 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 3: really wasn't There was a there was a distance gap 237 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 3: between the three and the four. So now that you 238 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 3: have a closer four than you did last year, maybe 239 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: there is a better rotation between the two. Michael Gallup 240 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: last year was expected to come back from injury and 241 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 3: be wide receiver two to see the Lamb. That was 242 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: the expectation for Mike. It didn't live up to that 243 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 3: expectation because partially I think he rushed back from the injury. 244 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 3: He wasn't completely healthy, and he pushed through it because 245 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: he's a team player and he was trying to be 246 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: available for his squad. 247 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 5: But now there aren't those expectations for Michael Gallup. 248 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: The paycheck says one thing, no doubt, but Jalen Tolbert 249 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 3: has a top one hundred tag on him as well, 250 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 3: he was a third round pick. There's a pride factor 251 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 3: in that as well. He's gonna get opportunities just as 252 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: much as Michael Gallup does. I understand there's a paycheck, 253 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 3: but there's also draft stock, and there's a pride that 254 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 3: goes back and forth between the two of them. 255 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 5: I think he's gonna see a significant rotation. 256 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 11: Now. 257 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 3: Is he expected to be a one thousand yard receiver. 258 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 3: Is he going to be on the field as a starter. 259 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 3: Probably not. He's gonna have to do it in rotation. 260 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: But John, I think whenever you look at Jalen Tolbert, 261 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 3: he's earned that rotation just based off of the way 262 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 3: that he's practiced and the way that he's played in 263 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: these two preseason games already. 264 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 8: Yeah, I just feel like there's always gonna be injuries 265 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 8: in football. And you know, you mentioned getting to Cedric 266 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 8: will or Noah Brown, Cedric Wilson. There's just been guys 267 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 8: over the years where, yeah, maybe right off the start 268 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 8: of the season you don't necessarily think that you're gonna 269 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 8: get a lot from them, but just the way the 270 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 8: position is played and how physical the game is, you 271 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 8: just never know when something's going to happen, and then 272 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 8: you have to be called on immediately to step in. 273 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 8: So in a way, I mean, if he doesn't play 274 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 8: a ton this season, maybe it's a good sign for 275 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 8: the Cowboys that because that meant all your top three 276 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 8: receivers performed and they all stayed healthy. But that's also 277 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 8: you also got to be a realistic I mean, it's 278 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 8: a long season and injuries happened. And when I say 279 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 8: injuries too, I don't even mean necessarily the oh this 280 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 8: guy tore an ACL he's up for these I'm talking 281 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 8: about in the middle of a game, you know, a 282 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 8: guy twists his knee something, he has to come out, 283 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 8: like for a few players something. Jalen Tolbert is going 284 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 8: to have to step in right away, and from what 285 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 8: we've seen, he looks like he can handle that. Whereas 286 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 8: last year, I mean, that's why you went out and 287 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 8: got t Y Hilton because you didn't know if you 288 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 8: had that next guy that that could kind of step up. 289 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 9: And now they have to feel good about what. 290 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 2: They have there. 291 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 5: Now, what about the defensive side of the football. 292 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 3: Because the defense, of course you're not seeing any starters Isaiah, 293 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 3: But what did you see on Saturday against Seattle, and 294 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 3: what were some of the things that you took away 295 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 3: from that one. 296 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 10: I feel as if the defensive line was doing a 297 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 10: good job of getting up the field, but I don't 298 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 10: think there was a lot of gap discipline there in 299 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 10: the game. Obviously with their quarterback being able to take 300 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 10: off a bunch, uh so there are some some holes 301 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 10: there that they have to shure up. Obviously, we'll get 302 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 10: to the injury stuff. The secondary. You know Jyye Thomas, 303 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 10: He's had one heck of a preseason. I mean, even 304 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 10: without the interception, that dude is flying around even towards 305 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 10: the end of the game. I'm I was watching him 306 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 10: on places where nobody's even looking at him, and I'm like, 307 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 10: this dude is playing still with a ton of energy left. 308 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 10: So I'm super proud of him and what he's been 309 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 10: able to produce in the in the preseason. The young secondary, 310 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 10: you know, Eric Scott, juniors of the world. Those guys 311 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 10: still have a lot to learn, seemingly about just awareness, 312 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 10: kind of just appropriate reception, just being aware where where 313 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 10: they're at in space. There's a lot of opportunities I 314 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 10: think we saw in the game where they were unaware 315 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 10: of where the ball was at and those are things 316 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 10: that you know that you learn right you see it 317 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 10: on film, you experience it, you see it on film. 318 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 10: You know our hairs coaches them up and then they're 319 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 10: ten times better the next couple opportunities. But in terms 320 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 10: of what we've seen so far, I think awareness, spatial 321 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 10: awareness is important. I discipline is something that also needs 322 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 10: to be shared up on. But when you're in that position, 323 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 10: you're so locked in as a young player. You're so 324 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 10: locked in even a draft PI because you're not guaranteed 325 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 10: on this roster, on that side of the ball, that 326 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 10: you're going to be retained. You're you're locked in on 327 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 10: your assignment. And sometimes when you're so intent on trying 328 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 10: to do your assignment, you forget some of the other 329 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 10: tangible things that you that also are required, other attributes 330 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 10: that are require for you to be a holistic player. 331 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 10: And that's really the battle for young guys in the preseason. 332 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 10: And it's frustrating because it's like, oh, I did this 333 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 10: dog and I forgot about this, you know, and those 334 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 10: one little things, you know, I did a good job. 335 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 10: I got my hand on them at the line of scrimmage. 336 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 10: I shadowed to them I got my hand on the hip. 337 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 10: I stayed with him the whole route, but shoot, I 338 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,719 Speaker 10: forgot to turn around and find a ball and there's 339 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 10: a completion right, and it's like the ultimate goal was 340 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 10: still achieved by the by the offensive player because you 341 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 10: missed that one little check box. 342 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: So overall, they're looking relatively good. 343 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 10: Just kind of just tighten up some things with some 344 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 10: of the younger guys, looking forward to seeing the ones 345 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 10: obviously here really in a couple of weeks putting an 346 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 10: owl out there. But in terms of these guys, they're 347 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 10: coming along as you would expect in a preseason. 348 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 9: I think it's olf. I don't think I just want 349 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 9: to add on that real quick. 350 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 8: Is just I think it's funny how you mentioned about 351 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 8: guys potentially, like young guys, having nerves, because I think 352 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 8: a lot of fans would watch these games like it's 353 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 8: a preseason game, nine o'clock start in Seattle. Like you, 354 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 8: as a fan, might not take it that serious because 355 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 8: Dak's not out there and twenty five veterans aren't out there, 356 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 8: But to these guys, this is everything. 357 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 9: This is you know, a little mistake. 358 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 8: I remember you talking about it early in camp when 359 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 8: we had one of our first shows about how like 360 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 8: one little thing you'll remember for the rest of your 361 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 8: life if it like so, I think it's easy sometimes 362 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 8: to kind of if you're a fan and not think 363 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 8: about it, especially in the second half of some of 364 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 8: these games, because you're just like, who really, you know. 365 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 8: I was watching the tail end of the game that 366 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 8: was on right before the Cowboys game on NFL Network 367 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 8: with the Bears, and it was just dragging on, and 368 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 8: I'm sitting there as a fan, going just run the 369 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 8: clock and get this game over with. Nobody cares. But 370 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 8: these players, the players that are out there, this means 371 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 8: a lot to them. And so I always think about 372 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 8: that too when people talk like, just get rid of 373 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 8: the preseason, you don't need the preseason. Yeah, that's fine 374 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 8: for some of your starters, but like, there's a lot 375 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 8: of guys that they want these preseason games, and the 376 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 8: coaching staff wants it so they can evaluate them. 377 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 7: And the preseason's unforgiving in all three phases of the game. 378 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 7: It's unforgiving. I think we saw special teams, the punt, 379 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 7: the punt that got blocked on Saturday night. You know, 380 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 7: Rico had this great game, and that's the thing that's 381 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 7: focused on afterward, you know, So it's unforgiving at times, 382 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 7: but I wanted to especially highlight Eric Scott talking about 383 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 7: the defensive side of the ball because I feel like 384 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 7: we saw the highest of what his potential could be, 385 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 7: and we also saw the first year learning curve that 386 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 7: he still has to take the highest potential being on 387 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 7: the very first drive getting two pass breakups on Tyler Lockett. Yes, 388 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 7: I'm saying too, because one of them was definitely out 389 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 7: of balance, so it's not a completion. So I'm accounting 390 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 7: for him, and he's probably getting graded out that way 391 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 7: by the staff too, So like if he's gonna get 392 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 7: graded out that way, then that's how we should treat it. 393 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 7: And then another one that forced a fourth down. Did 394 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 7: fantastic job against the ones in that first drive, but 395 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 7: then later later in the first gave Jackson Smith and 396 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 7: jigbit inside leverage, and if you if you know anything 397 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 7: about Jackson Smith and Jig, but he's going to take 398 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 7: advantage of that every single time quick release slant he 399 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 7: was gone. I will give Eric Scott credit though he 400 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 7: was able to pick up a ground on him and 401 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 7: at least get into a position to make a play. 402 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 7: But Jackson's Jackson, and he did his thing. But I'm 403 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 7: really excited to see what his process looks like. I think, 404 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 7: I think, you know, give him a year in the system, 405 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 7: let him, you know, maybe take a valuable rep here 406 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 7: there as the season goes on, you know, just to 407 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 7: get just get his feet wet. But I think he's 408 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 7: eventually going to be a contributor on this team for sure. 409 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: Correct. 410 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 5: I'm excited about some of these young players. 411 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 3: And I was excited about a couple of young players 412 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 3: that went down on Saturday as well, And we're gonna 413 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 3: get to that when we come back. 414 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 5: On the other side of the break, the Marvion. 415 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 3: Overshown John steven Junior both torn acls and just ultimately 416 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 3: a gut punch for two guys that had great camps 417 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 3: were really finding a role on this team, both offensively 418 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 3: for Stevens and then of course over shown on the 419 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: defensive side. 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You deserve 469 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: to talking Cowboys back here on talking Cowboys. 470 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 3: This portion of the show is brought to you by 471 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: Quaker Oats, a super trusted super food. Quaker Oats the 472 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 3: official oatmeal sponsor of the Dallas Cowboys. 473 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 2: It's segment number two in our brand. 474 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 5: New SWBC podcast Studio. 475 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 3: Nick Harris, John Machoda, Isaiah Stanback, I'm Kyle Yeoman's now 476 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 3: two guys go down. Three guys technically, if you want 477 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,959 Speaker 3: to count Matt will Letsko as well. Not nearly as 478 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 3: serious for Matt Willletsk go. But we'll talk offensive line 479 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 3: here in a couple of moments. Torn acl for de 480 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,239 Speaker 3: Marvin Overshown, third round pick out of Texas linebacker who 481 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 3: was shining in the preseason. I talked to Dan Quinn 482 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 3: just a couple of days before the game against Seattle, 483 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: and I asked him which young guy has he been 484 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 3: impressed with, and he gave me De Marvi an Overshew. 485 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 3: That was the first name out of his mouth he did. 486 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 3: He ended up saying Eric Scott Junior. To your point 487 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 3: in the last segment, but Dan was very complimentary about 488 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 3: Overshown in his versatility, his talent level. I thought he 489 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 3: was very high on what he had and to see 490 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 3: him go down as a gut punch. I know, Isaiah, 491 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 3: you and I were surrender cobra in the booth. I 492 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 3: said it like, kind of in a joking manner. We 493 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 3: were both like this in the booth because you could 494 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 3: see it pretty immediately. And then John Stephen Jr. John 495 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 3: Stevens Junior later in the game goes down with an 496 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 3: acl as well, and undrafted free agent out of Louisiana 497 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 3: Lafayette that had shined all training camp as well. Let's 498 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 3: start with overshowing Isaiah, I mean, without him in the fold, 499 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 3: feels like there's already a void, even though this defense 500 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 3: is stacked and there's a lot of a lot of 501 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 3: position groups that are very deep. I don't know if 502 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 3: f linebacker necessarily counts in that regard. 503 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 10: Every pretty much every position group on defense is dance 504 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 10: aside from ironbacker, and I think everybody would probably go 505 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 10: on record saying that that was a one position group 506 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 10: that you were probably uneasy about if there were to 507 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 10: be an injury at any point in time, and during 508 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 10: the season or preseason, they were not in a position 509 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 10: to being able to afford an injury. 510 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: I mean, even with Malik Jefferson went down. Sure, the guys. 511 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 10: I was worried with Malik Jefferson and obviously his is 512 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 10: not season ending at this point, but he's he was 513 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 10: fighting for a roster spot. But even with him, I'm like, okay, 514 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 10: he went down. All right, that's about all they can afford. 515 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: You know. 516 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 10: It sucks, and I feel for him. I've unfortunately been 517 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,719 Speaker 10: in the situation as he's been in, and it's terrible. 518 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,959 Speaker 10: It's he has a positive outlook and it's it's awesome, right, 519 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 10: His spirit is awesome. His outlook is awesome, but that's 520 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 10: forward facing and that might very well be internal as well. 521 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 10: But he's going to need some support because I mean, 522 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 10: he knew what he was doing, you know, on the field. 523 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 10: He knew the product he was putting it on the field, 524 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 10: he knew how the shape he came in, he knew 525 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 10: how prepared he was when he stepped on the field. 526 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 10: He also knew the value and the coaches knew the 527 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 10: value of what he provided to the team. And you 528 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 10: now take that element out of it, right, I said, Regardless, 529 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 10: if you want to title him a linebacker, a safety, 530 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 10: I mean he's you know, Jayron Curse. 531 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 2: It's just that's what he is. You're right. 532 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 10: I mean, that's that's pretty much what he is. I 533 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 10: don't care whatnever you give him. I don't care where 534 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 10: you put him at on the field, third, third level, 535 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 10: or second level. He's another Jaron Curse and he was 536 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 10: going and Curse was going to appreciate him because he 537 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 10: was going to take some of the physicality off of him. 538 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 10: Now you missed that, and now you're asking somebody else 539 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 10: to step into the fold. Devin Harper's fully cap bull 540 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 10: to come and play linebacker, but he doesn't have the 541 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 10: versatility that the mary On Overshawan has. 542 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: He doesn't. I mean, he could be as great as 543 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: he can be, but nobody else. 544 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 10: Possesses that versatility aside from those two players on the roster, 545 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 10: Curse and Overshown. 546 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: And now you're missing one of them. 547 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 5: Yeah. 548 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 7: Absolutely, I think God punches the best way to say it, 549 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 7: especially with those two guys, and going into this preseason, 550 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 7: the linebacker depth was thin, but I feel like everyone 551 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 7: had an agreement that it was capable. And now you 552 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 7: have two guys down in that room, one for the season. 553 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 7: It almost forces you to make a move there when 554 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 7: you could have made that same move for offensive line, 555 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 7: or maybe you don't have to make that move for 556 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 7: kicker now. So maybe that's the maybe that's the cancel out. 557 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 7: But I'm sure we'll get into that at some point. 558 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 7: But I think this especially really sucks for John Stevens 559 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 7: Junior because it basically resets where he was at whenever 560 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 7: he entered training camp, because he's gonna have to go 561 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 7: back into training camp next year as a second year player. Oh, 562 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 7: this guy was great at training camp last year, but 563 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 7: he got hurt, so we got to see it again, 564 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 7: and so he's basically got to start right back over 565 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 7: and prove everything that he's proven this this training camp. 566 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 7: So I think it especially hurts for John Stevens because 567 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 7: once Overshown walks back into training camp next year, everyone 568 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 7: knows what that potential is. Everyone's going to put him 569 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 7: in those positions to succeed. And not that they're not 570 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 7: going to put positions for John Stevens Junior to succeed. 571 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 7: It's just I think that's going to be a lot 572 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 7: harder for him to do. 573 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 8: Yeah, I just go back to that first preseason game. 574 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 8: Biggest takeaways from that game was, Man, I feel a 575 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 8: lot better about this linebacker group with the way de 576 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 8: Moon Clark and Demarven Overshield played because going into that game, 577 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 8: that was one of my biggest concerns or biggest question marks. 578 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 8: It's like, what do they have here outside of Layton 579 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 8: vander ash You saw signs from de Monte Clark last year, 580 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 8: but you're like, you want to see more there. And 581 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 8: the way that those two played early in that game, 582 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 8: I was like, well, that answers a lot of questions there. 583 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 8: They got to feel great about linebacker now, so that 584 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 8: happens and it just I don't know. The way that 585 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 8: the injury happened too is just such a freak. And 586 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 8: also he's making a big play too when it goes down, 587 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 8: But just to happen out on the sideline like that 588 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 8: is just I don't know. It just it's not like 589 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 8: any acl is you understand it, but that is just 590 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 8: so much worse when it happens on something that you're 591 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 8: just like, I can't believe that that's the play that's 592 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 8: going to end his season. But for me personally, I 593 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 8: just look at linebackers. It's I think it might be 594 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 8: the most dangerous position in sports. And I think a 595 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 8: lot about like the Chris Borlands and Louke Keikley's and 596 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 8: the Patrick Willis is that, you know, we we got 597 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 8: to see a lot of greatness from especially Willison Keikley, 598 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 8: but they both hung it up early. I mean, that's 599 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 8: just a tough I mean, heck, just here Sean Lee. 600 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 8: It just always seemed like if it was one thing 601 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 8: after another. Layton Vanders has had his issues obviously, it 602 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 8: just is such a dangerous position that you just almost 603 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 8: never feel comfortable about your depth there. But now I 604 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 8: look at the roster and I'm like, I almost feel 605 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 8: like you got to go out and try and get 606 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 8: some type of a veteran at least for some depth. 607 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 8: You don't necessarily you're not going to get it to 608 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 8: Marvin overshow sure, but you're going to need probably some 609 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 8: depth there. 610 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, feeling the void, not only from a versatility standpoint, 611 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 3: is pretty much impossible for a guy like demarvi an 612 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 3: overshown who's missing. But then it turns into a numbers 613 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 3: game because depending on how long Malik Jefferson's out, you 614 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 3: have Devin Harper, Jabril Cox, Layton Vander esh Damne Clark, 615 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 3: am I missing anybody. 616 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 5: I mean, there might be one more name that I'm missing, 617 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 5: But for the most part. That's it. 618 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 3: Those are your four guys as a linebacking corps. And 619 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 3: like John said, all it takes is one hit. And 620 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 3: just like it did with de Marvey at Overshones, just 621 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 3: as it did with Malik Jefferson, it takes one hit. 622 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 3: There are some names out there. Kyle van Noy is 623 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 3: still on the open market, thirty two years old, spent 624 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 3: last year with the Chargers, former Patriot. Definitely he would 625 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 3: be a veteran to bring in true linebacker, true inside linebacker. 626 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 5: Jayon Brown from Las Vegas last year. He's twenty eight 627 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 5: years old. He's on the open market. 628 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 3: Gerrod Davis, John Bostick, Mikah Kaiser, Jermaine Carter. Those are 629 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 3: just some of the names that are there. So there 630 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 3: are options. Now, are they exciting options. No, But at 631 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: this point in the process you're not going to see 632 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 3: a whole lot of exciting options. I think last year 633 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 3: you saw it with Anthony or with Anthony Barr, bringing 634 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 3: him Barr and bringing him into the mix, but that 635 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 3: was even a training camp. This is later than that 636 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 3: move was made, but that was a similar move for 637 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 3: depth and the guy that could play in a rotation 638 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 3: and linebacker should something happen to Layton vander esh and 639 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 3: he ended up playing next to Blayton vanders for quite. 640 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 5: A bit at the start of the season. 641 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 10: I think this the conversation about trade equity has to 642 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 10: present itself again as you start looking at where you're 643 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 10: actually deep at on this team, defensive line guys are 644 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 10: most likely guys are either gonna get let go or 645 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 10: you're gonna get traded. 646 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 2: It's just is what it is. It's a numbers game 647 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 2: at that position. They're just too deep. 648 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 10: They're too deep at that position, and there's too many 649 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 10: teams that need solid defensive linemen, so you might obviously 650 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 10: I know for I'm pretty sure they're looking around rosters, 651 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 10: looking trying to say, okay, who's a little deeper at 652 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 10: the linebacker position or even like position flex. Maybe somebody 653 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 10: has a big safety that we can bring down, you 654 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 10: know who necessarily hasn't fit in with that scheme and 655 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 10: their current team, that will fit in perfectly here. Because 656 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 10: I don't think that dan Quinn and this defense is 657 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 10: looking for a true linebacker. They don't want another true linebacker. 658 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 10: When I say true linebacker, I'm talking about the e 659 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 10: vander esch or Jermo Clark. Those are true linebackers, like 660 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 10: put them in the box, come downhill, take. 661 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 2: On off his a lignement. 662 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 10: They're looking for some people with some versus, you know, 663 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,479 Speaker 10: some flex, and that's what Overshown provided. And equally as 664 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 10: excited as they were about Overshown on defense, they were 665 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 10: just as excited about John Stevens on the on offense 666 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 10: and what he was, how he was coming along, and 667 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 10: the and the assets that he provided them when he 668 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 10: got down to the red zone. We saw it in camp. 669 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 10: You know when they got down to the red zone, 670 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 10: who was going in there? Well, all right, it was 671 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 10: either Hindershot or Stevens. That's pretty much what it was. 672 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 10: And Stevens, you know, a KA stretch. 673 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,239 Speaker 2: He's he's a big body. And I know Lindu's right 674 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: now has to be crying in the car because that 675 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 2: was his project. You know, that was coach. 676 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 5: Don't don't cry in a car. 677 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 2: That's okay, Well, it all happens. It happens to everybody, but. 678 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 3: Don't do that. 679 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 10: Come but you know, I know a lot of attentions 680 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 10: is gonna be put on Overshown because he was a 681 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 10: higher high draft pick and Stevens was you know, obviously 682 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 10: got picked up, but he has a bright upside as well, 683 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 10: a bright, bright, bright upside, and he was coming along 684 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 10: camp and they were going to give him the time. 685 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 10: I believe they were going to give him the time 686 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 10: that was needed to become a real asset as a 687 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 10: tight end in this on this roster. 688 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: I know a lot of people gonna say, well, was 689 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 2: he gonna make it? I think he was training more 690 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 2: towards making it. Yeah. 691 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 7: Personally, absolutely, I agree. Two quick things on the linebacker depth. A. 692 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 7: Whenever we were on the conference call with Mike McCarthy yesterday, 693 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 7: he mentioned Devin Harper Jabroll Cox as guys that are 694 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 7: gonna have to step up. He also mentioned Tyrus wheat On, 695 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 7: drafted free agent of the Mississippi State Correct Mississity, Mississippi State, 696 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 7: a guy that has a little bit of that versatility 697 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 7: between the first and second level, not necessarily second and third, 698 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 7: but honestly overshown. I feel like eventually he was going 699 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 7: to grow into that body where he was more of 700 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 7: the first second level, and that's just because of his 701 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 7: past rush background at Texas. Because they transitioned him from 702 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 7: that safety down to linebacker, put all that weight on 703 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 7: saw that wide frame and then he was rushing the 704 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 7: passer a lot last years at Texas, so I felt 705 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 7: like that. 706 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 6: Was what he was trending more towards. 707 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 7: But he has said before I can play on all 708 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 7: three levels, so I'm sure they would have to toyed 709 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 7: around with some different ideas, but nevertheless a Tyros sweets guy. 710 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 2: Also. 711 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 7: Second thing online backer depth. I think Waiver Wire is 712 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 7: going to be very very interesting next week in that department. 713 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 7: I think that's gonna be They're gonna look around at 714 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 7: some guys and try to pull somebody that they can 715 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 7: at least put in the depth of that room and 716 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 7: watch them work. And also I wouldn't mind seeing Isaiah 717 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 7: land get some get some opportunities, and in that instance 718 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 7: as well. I know when he first came in UH 719 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 7: he had talked about inside linebacker as well, and I 720 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 7: think he has an interesting skill set for that. 721 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: He's havoc on the D line. 722 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 6: He has He's been fun and I don't want to 723 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 6: take him away from that. 724 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 2: Him. 725 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 10: Then we both of those guys, yeah, Beast on the 726 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 10: D line in the preseason, absolutely, when those two are 727 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 10: in together, it's like, oh crap, well it might be 728 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 10: your fourth or fifth d line, but y'all better strap 729 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 10: up as offense of tackles. 730 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: These duds are gonna they're gonna caust you some havoc. 731 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 2: They've been They've been fun to watch. 732 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 3: Both those guys were very high, uh on the draft 733 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 3: board for the Cowboys during April, and they were high 734 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 3: priority free agents going into that that process as well. 735 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 3: So having both of them there and showing out I 736 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 3: think is encouraging. It's tough to see guys go down, 737 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 3: but like Nick said, I mean, this is an opportunity 738 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 3: for some of those those young guys to step up 739 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 3: and kind of fill that void. And then, especially with cutdowns, 740 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 3: I mean, this is different than what we've had in 741 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 3: the past. It's one day. NFL rosters are going from 742 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 3: ninety to fifty three just like that, and of course 743 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 3: practice squad and stuff goes in there as well, but 744 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: it's all one day. There's no TI there's no tiered 745 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 3: cutdowns this year, and so it'll be a mad scramble 746 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 3: for a lot of these prospects that are going to 747 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 3: be available on waiver wires and be. 748 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 5: Picked up by other teams. 749 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 3: I think the Cowboys are probably going to be looking 750 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 3: at an offensive line. They're gonna be looking at linebacker 751 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 3: and possibly kicker depending on what that looks. 752 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 2: Like as well. 753 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 3: All right, when we come back, we'll wrap things up 754 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 3: here on Talking Cowboys. 755 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: We have a busy week ahead. 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We will be back 804 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 3: on Thursday, by the way, ten am Central Time, and 805 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 3: you can go ahead and send some some text or 806 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 3: get ready to send some texts at that point eight 807 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 3: one seven two nine zero three two nine to eight. 808 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 2: Uh, you've got the call line. 809 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 5: We're gonna take some calls on Thursday, gentlemen. How's that sound. 810 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 5: I want to hear from Cowboys Nation. 811 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 2: I'm with it. 812 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 5: I want to hear from everybody, So. 813 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 3: Be ready Thursday. We're gonna hear from the fans. We're 814 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 3: gonna talk a lot about the practices that we have 815 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 3: coming up. Starting tonight Cowboys Night at Ford Center at 816 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 3: the Star and Frisco six pm. Things get kicked off 817 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 3: in terms of practice before that opening ceremonies at. 818 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:32,720 Speaker 2: Five point fifteen. 819 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 3: You can watch Isaiah standback and Nick Harris and Bill 820 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 3: Jones and myself on the TXA twenty one broadcast and 821 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 3: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com going live at five thirty, 822 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 3: So plenty of ways to watch practice tonight. 823 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 2: Isaiah, what are you looking for this week? 824 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 3: We talked about the injuries, putting those aside, What do 825 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 3: you want to see from the team as they get 826 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 3: back to Frisco and they continue to march toward week one? 827 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 2: Healthy good answer? Yeah, that's number one. I mean, continue 828 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,439 Speaker 2: to put it together. I think it is a tricky week, 829 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 2: right because. 830 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 10: As coaches, you're still you still have a job to 831 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 10: develop the players that you have on your roster, but 832 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 10: you almost can't help but start letting your mind start 833 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 10: drifting towards the regular season kickoff. 834 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 2: For the coaches, they know, for. 835 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,479 Speaker 10: The most part, who's going to be on this roster 836 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 10: ninety five percent, I would say they probably know at 837 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 10: this point in time where the rosters at most teams do, 838 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 10: unless somebody just has a turp in type day that 839 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,280 Speaker 10: just changes everything on its head. These injuries put things 840 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 10: into a little bit different perspective. Offensively, I would imagine 841 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 10: that Sean mckinna's job is probably secure now. 842 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 2: Defensively, you're looking at other. 843 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 10: People's rosters and you're trying to figure out, Okay, can 844 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 10: is Cocks going to you know, present himself the way 845 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 10: that we would like for him to come off of 846 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 10: his aco from a couple of years ago. Is Devin 847 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 10: Harp are going to be able to fulfill the role? 848 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 10: You know on special teams? What does bones Fossil think? 849 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 10: Are these guys showing up on special teams enough to 850 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 10: be able to be on the roster at light linebacker? 851 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 10: So you're you're looking at some of those that's probably 852 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 10: that five percent that you're probably taking a look at. 853 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 10: So you're getting those guys prepared to do that, and 854 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 10: you're just trying to get out of this week healthy honestly, 855 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 10: and then you in your mind switches over next week. 856 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 10: So that's where I think that this team needs to 857 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 10: be focused on right now is continue to execute, stay healthy, 858 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 10: build upon this offense. They're probably gonna start expanding the 859 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 10: offense within practice, I would imagine, not necessarily forward facing, 860 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 10: but practice. 861 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 2: You have to start it. 862 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 10: Hey, motions, different position, different personnel groups, Okay, we're gonna 863 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 10: start adding these different flayers to the offense and start 864 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 10: building on it. But this is hard because the threes 865 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 10: need to get reps, but your ones also need to 866 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 10: start getting their reps too, So it's a tough week. 867 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, and at the same time, that's focus is slowly 868 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 7: starting to shift over to New York Giants. 869 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 6: Yeah. 870 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 7: We had asked office coordinator Brian Schottenheimer lest Thursday somebody 871 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 7: had did win the preparation for New York Stars, and 872 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 7: he said within the next seven to ten days. So 873 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 7: that probably tells you right after that Oakland game, New 874 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 7: York film, let's get it. So that's that's coming soon. 875 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 5: But you're playing they're playing Oakland. 876 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 7: Man, Man, strike strike one, Strike one, Las Vegas, Vegas Raiders. 877 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,439 Speaker 2: We're gonna keep you in check. 878 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 8: Man. 879 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 6: I'm typically you're the. 880 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 2: Youngest one on the squad. You shouldn't be saying Oakland 881 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 2: more than anybody. 882 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 6: At least I didn't say Los Angeles. 883 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. 884 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 5: That would have been That would have been interesting. 885 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 8: I'm looking forward to that offensive line, you know, being 886 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 8: in that conference caller say with Mike McCarthy talking about 887 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 8: how you know this would be the first time for 888 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 8: the ones to get team reps together because obviously Zach Martin, 889 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 8: you know, has worked his way back in so to 890 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 8: see what the offensive line has that's very high on 891 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 8: my list. You know, when you talk about getting prepared 892 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 8: for the Giants, I kind of feel like they've been 893 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 8: prepared for the Giants all off season. And when I 894 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 8: say that, I mean that there's just a lot of 895 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 8: stuff that they're not going to show offensively. Yeah, And 896 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 8: that's what makes my time covering the team. Maybe there's 897 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 8: another game that I'm not thinking of it. I think 898 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 8: this might be the most I'm looking forward to a 899 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 8: Week one just because you know, I mean, you had 900 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 8: Jason Garrett going to Scotland hand going to callmore, you 901 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 8: had some similarities on the offense, and will there will 902 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 8: be some carryover. But there's part of me that's thinking 903 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 8: that there's going to be some stuff that we see 904 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 8: week one that were just like whoa where was that? 905 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 8: Like just that they just didn't want to even show it, 906 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 8: to even have it out there. And so maybe we'll 907 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 8: see a little bit of that stuff in some of 908 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 8: these practices here. 909 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 9: Maybe we won't. 910 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 8: Maybe they're going to hang on to that stuff for 911 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,919 Speaker 8: a week one, But little things like that, I'm looking 912 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 8: forward certainly. I would like to see some of these 913 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 8: linebackers step up. You know, when you mentioned Jabrill Cox, 914 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 8: one of the first things I go to is, and 915 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 8: I hate to be negative like this, but with him, 916 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,919 Speaker 8: he showed signs of being a player before the knee 917 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 8: injury that you're like, yeah, he's going to be a player. 918 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,760 Speaker 8: And then so it makes you wonder too with overshow 919 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 8: and think you just can't automatically assume he'll get right 920 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,320 Speaker 8: back to what he was right away. I mean, the 921 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 8: acls take a little bit of time there, so you 922 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 8: really need a Jabrill Cox Devin Harper to step up. 923 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 9: So that's another area for sure. 924 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 8: And then just because with the offensive line still my 925 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 8: number one concern is really that the depth on that 926 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 8: offensive line, I just I wouldn't feel great about anybody 927 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 8: having to come out in any backup having to go 928 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 8: in in Week one. 929 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 2: Right now, I was just about to lean in on that. 930 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,879 Speaker 10: We've kind of looked past the old line and Matt 931 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 10: Willetsko's injury. I think he had a sub sublexation of 932 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 10: his shoulder. Had my fair share of those, and it 933 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 10: was his opposing shoulder from last year. 934 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, different, so so. 935 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 10: Yeah, so okay, So since you've had those, what's the 936 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 10: worst part about You can't punch. 937 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,919 Speaker 5: Okay, you can't punch. 938 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 2: There's no shoulder stability, your shoulders unstable. 939 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 10: I can't hold, I can't stop you from pushing through 940 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 10: me when my shoulder capsule isn't solid. 941 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 2: So that I hate to think about it like that. 942 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 10: I mean, the trainers and the doctors make the final 943 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 10: ruling on that stuff, but just from my experience, I 944 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 10: don't see that being a viable option anymore. And that 945 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 10: sucks for him back to back years. But like now, 946 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,720 Speaker 10: oh well, that's good, you take him out the picture. 947 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 10: Hoffman's been getting pretty done in, pretty. 948 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 2: Bad on the o line. You know, not be honest, but. 949 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 10: Barnc Farniac hasn't had the preseason that you'd like from 950 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 10: the half. So to your point, what happens, right if 951 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:17,879 Speaker 10: somebody goes down? 952 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 3: I did, like in the second half of that game 953 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 3: the other day, I thought the interior of the offensive 954 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 3: line did. Okay, it was Matt Farniac, brock Hoffman and 955 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,240 Speaker 3: Josh Ball those are the three guys on the interior, 956 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 3: But I didn't say that until the latter parts of 957 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 3: the third quarter, whenever they were whenever they were playing 958 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 3: in the second quarter, I wasn't saying, wow, look at 959 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 3: this interior offensive line. It was laid in the game 960 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 3: whenever I finally made a mention to myself and said, ooh, okay, 961 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 3: well now they're doing work. So I think I'm with 962 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 3: you as against the ones. I don't feel comfortable with 963 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 3: any of those guys going in. John said that a 964 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 3: second ago as well. But if if you're going up 965 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 3: against the twos and the threes, they're always going to 966 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 3: look okay. I mean that part of being in two 967 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,240 Speaker 3: and a three, but that's. 968 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 2: What they are. 969 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 3: I mean, they are reserves for a reason on that 970 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 3: offensive line, and I don't think they have a guy 971 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 3: that they feel comfortable with throwing into a spot sage. 972 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 8: I think that, Okay, this is a team that if 973 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 8: you're not even look at it at any other team, 974 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 8: just looking at this current Dallas Cowboys team. Maybe I'm 975 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 8: taking it for granted, but there's a part of me 976 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,720 Speaker 8: that thinks, okay, you see so many of the offensive 977 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 8: linemen that the Packers have under Mike McCarthy that were 978 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 8: drafted later and then just on this team, you see 979 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 8: how they were able to develop a guy like Terrence Steele. 980 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 8: Where do I think Terrence Steele is got the upside 981 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 8: of Tyron Smith? No, but there were times where you 982 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 8: were like, man, this might they might have something here. 983 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,959 Speaker 8: This might be a swing tackle, maybe even a starter. 984 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 8: I don't say that about any of the backup offense now, 985 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:45,919 Speaker 8: you really don't. 986 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,399 Speaker 5: I think the number the only guy that I've even 987 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,720 Speaker 5: remotely thought about that is or that way. 988 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 9: Of I'm interested. If you're gonna say the same person as. 989 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 2: Me, TJ. 990 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 5: Bass, what were you thinking? 991 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 9: That's a good point, though I was going to say, well, 992 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 9: let's go, Well, let's go. 993 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,839 Speaker 3: Last year I was underwhelmed the times with what let's 994 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 3: go in this camp for obvious reasons. 995 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 5: And now he's coming back from injury. 996 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 3: I think before the injury I looked at it and 997 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,439 Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, maybe this guy could do something. 998 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 3: Especially last year I felt really good about what let's go. 999 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 3: So him coming back from injury, I expected that. Again, 1000 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 3: I don't know if I ever got that that. I 1001 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 3: don't know if he reached those expectation levels for me, 1002 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 3: I think TJ. Bass exceeded my expectations for TJ. Bass 1003 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 3: and so I'm not saying he's ready to be your 1004 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 3: backup right guard by any stretch of the imagination, or 1005 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 3: backup left guard, or wherever you would have put him. 1006 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 3: But at least he's shown that he can exceed the 1007 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 3: expectation that I had for him initially. And I don't 1008 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 3: know if I could say that about any of the 1009 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 3: rest of the offensive line. 1010 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 7: I would say with Austin Richards, not necessarily that he's 1011 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,320 Speaker 7: exceeded any expectation, but he's done really good in adversity, 1012 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 7: being able to battle, coming in as the starting left 1013 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 7: tackle on two days notice, fighting in that after playing 1014 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 7: guard a lot, after playing guard the entire camp, and 1015 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 7: then switching mid game to guard, doing that in the 1016 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 7: both of the games, and I think he's he's definitely 1017 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 7: held his own there, and I know I've emphasized it 1018 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 7: many times, but I don't want to cheat his process there. 1019 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 7: So if it takes, you know, later in the season 1020 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 7: to where he even gets on the field, I'm cool 1021 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 7: with that as long as he feels comfortable doing it 1022 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,439 Speaker 7: in both of those spots. But I feel like they're 1023 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,320 Speaker 7: lining it up to where he can be that reliable 1024 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 7: option on the tackle Warrick card. 1025 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 9: So who's your swing tackle? 1026 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:22,760 Speaker 2: Awesome? 1027 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 6: Awesome Richards. 1028 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 3: Yeah wow, see but that show you have a fifth 1029 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 3: round rookie and that's your swing tackle. 1030 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1031 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 5: I don't think told me. 1032 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 8: That though that during Terren Steele's rookie year, I've been like, 1033 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 8: all right, that's fair, you know what I'm saying. 1034 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,359 Speaker 5: Like, and he was undrafted, so yeah, so he had 1035 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 5: even less thoughts. 1036 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,879 Speaker 8: Maybe there's just a lot of luck involved with finding maybe. 1037 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 8: I mean, obviously this this organization has done a phenomenal 1038 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 8: job at finding him in the first round, there's no 1039 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 8: question about that. But after that first round, it just 1040 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 8: I don't know, it's almost like corner with me, where 1041 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 8: it's like some of these corners you'll take, like in 1042 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 8: the second or third round, and then you get and 1043 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 8: there's just so many ups and downs, and then you 1044 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 8: get like a drum bland where you're just like wait 1045 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,800 Speaker 8: and I never really saw any ups and downs and 1046 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 8: you just seemed like nothing was ever too big from 1047 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 8: how did that guy not go in like the second 1048 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:10,360 Speaker 8: or I don't know. 1049 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, credit to them for drafting, but also it's never 1050 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 3: a perfect science, Yeah, never really. 1051 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 5: Is all right? 1052 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 9: Fawn ends up in the sixth rounds? 1053 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. How about that Duce Vaughan again fantastic in 1054 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 5: week two. 1055 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 9: I just feel like we should mention his name every show. 1056 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,320 Speaker 2: Let's just throw it in. 1057 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 3: I don't know how it took to this point in 1058 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,800 Speaker 3: the show to mention Duce Fawn another touchdown? Has he 1059 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 3: earned enough real quickly? Is he earned a day off 1060 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 3: on Saturday, a day off, day off, pads off? 1061 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,920 Speaker 6: No, I don't think so. I think Tot has, and 1062 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 6: I think Rico Daubdle has, but I don't think. 1063 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 2: I don't think Rico won't touch the field. I don't imagine. 1064 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 9: I don't need to see aymhere as Sam Williams, to 1065 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 9: be honest with. 1066 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,760 Speaker 5: You, Okay, I don't want to see any Dumont Clark 1067 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 5: at all. 1068 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 2: He was playing. 1069 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,800 Speaker 3: He was playing special teams in the second half of 1070 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,399 Speaker 3: that game. Please get him off the field. Let's wrap 1071 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 3: him up and bubble wrap and get him the week one. 1072 00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 3: I think I agree with you. I think I think 1073 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 3: all three running backs are going to play again because 1074 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,799 Speaker 3: based off of Mike McCarthy yesterday and his conference call, 1075 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 3: he said, Ronald. 1076 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,800 Speaker 5: Jones is going to be hard pressed to make it 1077 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 5: to the field. It's a good Saturday. 1078 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,719 Speaker 3: So I don't know if they're just gonna roll with 1079 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 3: two and it would be Deuce and Malik Davis. 1080 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 6: I think they'll probably keep carries with Hunter Lipkey. 1081 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. Maybe, Yeah, Malik Davis, 1082 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 2: Deuce and lip Key. 1083 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 3: Okay, not a bad not a bad trio, not a 1084 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 3: bad option, all right, Uh quickly, one player to watch 1085 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,800 Speaker 3: this week at Cowboys practice. 1086 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 2: Go Devin Harper. 1087 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 9: Devin Harper, Zach Martin. 1088 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 6: Good one, Goodness. I was gonna say, Zach Martin. 1089 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,359 Speaker 7: It's his first time getting getting on the offensive line, 1090 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,320 Speaker 7: So I'm gonna I'm gonna pie you back off that Evince. 1091 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 8: He's been like staring at me this entire you know how, 1092 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 8: Like there's those pictures where like I don't know if 1093 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 8: it's the Mona Lisa or the eyes, Like like I 1094 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 8: just every time I look at Kyle right over. 1095 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,880 Speaker 5: My shoulder, beam could probably take my camera. 1096 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,359 Speaker 9: Probably angry as I've ever seen them. 1097 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, there he is right there, it's right right there. 1098 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 2: That's Zach Martin. You can't see the eyes, but they 1099 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 2: are looking. 1100 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 6: At John and that's the name of the episode. 1101 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,359 Speaker 2: One Oh there is. There's the eyes look at there 1102 00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,440 Speaker 2: looking at John the whole time. 1103 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 5: And then there's my look at Isaiah, at Isaiah across 1104 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 5: the room. All right, Uh mine is. 1105 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 1: Man. 1106 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:07,839 Speaker 5: Zach Martin's a good one. 1107 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:08,960 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say awesome richards. 1108 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 3: I want to see if we're gonna put them, if 1109 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,399 Speaker 3: we're gonna make him our Talking Cowboys swing tackle, then 1110 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 3: I want to see him step up and continue to 1111 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 3: play better. So yeah, I'll say awesome richards this week 1112 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 3: at training camp. I want I'm gonna learn from Zach 1113 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 3: Martin a little bit as he gets back out on 1114 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 3: the field. But that's gonna do it for us here 1115 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 3: on this Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys Again. We'll be 1116 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 3: back on Thursday, ten am Central Time, right here from 1117 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 3: the SWBC studios for Isaiah standback, John Matchoda, Nick Harris, 1118 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,800 Speaker 3: I'm Kyle yeomens, Come on, John, get with it. 1119 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, little chopper, get out of here. On top of Cowboys. 1120 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:41,760 Speaker 2: We'll see you on Thursday. 1121 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,279 Speaker 3: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 1122 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.