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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spafford, joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my partner and everything Packers, Wes Hodko. It's coming

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Speaker 1: to you hear from our studios at lambeau Field, and

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Speaker 1: I should say welcome back. I apologize I was not

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Speaker 1: able to be in the office last Thursday to tape

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Speaker 1: our second show of the week, but we aren't going

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Speaker 1: to do that show, Wes, because that would be previewing

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Speaker 1: the Steelers game. Instead, we are going to review a

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Speaker 1: thirty five to twenty five Packers victory from Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: And I'm thankful that you are the upstanding gentleman that

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Speaker 2: you are, that you are the person that you are,

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Speaker 2: that you're willing to step out in front of this thing.

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Speaker 2: As I told people on Twitter, what actually happened last

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Speaker 2: Thursday was the money wasn't right and sometimes you have

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Speaker 2: to stand up for yourself. So I came down to

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Speaker 2: the studio on Thursday. You were all set, you were

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Speaker 2: ready to go. I told Hannah our I told the

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Speaker 2: construction crew, I told everybody that would listen. Wes has

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Speaker 2: certain demands to do this show. I've been doing it

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Speaker 2: for ten seasons now. If these demands are not met,

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Speaker 2: there is no show. Fortunately, the two sides came back

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Speaker 2: to the table on Friday, we got a deal worked

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Speaker 2: out and Packers unscripted as back today. But Mike, I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you trying to cover for me. That's the man

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Speaker 2: that you are.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there is one of us covering for the

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Speaker 1: other here, but that aside. Yeah, the Packers one thirty

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Speaker 1: five to twenty five. My friend and I don't know

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Speaker 1: where you want to start with this one. Obviously we

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Speaker 1: weren't able to talk about all of the Jordan Love

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, you know, that main storyline. But as this

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Speaker 1: game unfolded, what it really became about was, quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: the Packers getting up off the mat in the second half,

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Speaker 1: down sixteen to seven at halftime on the road, and

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Speaker 1: Green Bay answered the bell and suddenly Jordan Love got hot,

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Speaker 1: the offense got hot, and twenty eight points in the

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Speaker 1: second half turned into quite the road victory for Green Bay.

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Speaker 2: I want you to talk about whatever you want to

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Speaker 2: talk about in the show. As our digital department reminds me,

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Speaker 2: this is your show, it's not my show. But I

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Speaker 2: want to say this, and this is where I want

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Speaker 2: to start, and then you can take it from there.

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Speaker 2: We can discuss anything you want to discuss after this.

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Speaker 2: There was one story in this game. To me, it

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Speaker 2: was your column, it was your top of the five

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Speaker 2: things takeaways. It was Jordan Love. Because I said it beforehand.

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Speaker 2: This kid is as cool and as calm and collected

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Speaker 2: as you will find as a professional athlete. I'm not

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Speaker 2: talking about quarterback. I'm not talking about NFL player. I'm

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Speaker 2: talking when you make up the prototype for an NFL

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Speaker 2: football player, a basketball player, a hitter at the bottom

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Speaker 2: of the ninth inning or the eighteenth inning, as you

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Speaker 2: were just telling me a couple of minutes ago, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you want to have the type of disposition that Jordan

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Speaker 2: Love has. And the thing and if you you know,

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Speaker 2: if I would have been bouncing ideas off of you.

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Speaker 2: This meant nothing to Renee Gabriel, our social media manager

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Speaker 2: who was with me in Pittsburgh. But what kept going

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Speaker 2: through my mind as I watched that game, it wasn't

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Speaker 2: about Aaron Rodgers. It was about where Jordan went Love

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Speaker 2: was two years ago when we were in Pittsburgh, in

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Speaker 2: the way that he played in that setting, twenty nine

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Speaker 2: of thirty seven, three hundred and sixty yards, three touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: a one thirty four point two passer rating, which is

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Speaker 2: the highest of his in his regular season of his

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Speaker 2: NFL career. Jordan Love showed that when the pressure is there,

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Speaker 2: he is an absolute diamond. And to see the maturation

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Speaker 2: of a football player, a guy that the Packers committed

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Speaker 2: themselves two and a half years ago, that was beautiful

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Speaker 2: to watch. Oh and by the way, his mentor his

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Speaker 2: some big time stuff. It was.

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Speaker 1: It was a it was a crucible, so to speak,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to everything that was on Jordan Love

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Speaker 1: in this game. And uh and yeah, to to walk

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Speaker 1: Then when the Packers are looking for that momentum boost

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Speaker 1: the second half, the twenty straight completions. It started on

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Speaker 1: and that tied Brett Fare's franchise record, which he set

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Speaker 1: So that was, if my math is right, eighteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: And what was most impressive to me about Love's performance

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Speaker 1: second half, they found the answers. Jordan Love stood in

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Speaker 1: the pocket, he took the hits. He yes, he threw

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Speaker 1: and his teammates came through for him, Tucker Craft, Christian Watson.

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Speaker 1: They made those plays and suddenly twenty straight completions turns

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Speaker 1: It was a tour to force performance by Jordan Love

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Speaker 1: if it had happened anywhere. The fact, as you said,

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Speaker 1: that it happened on the road in a stadium where

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Speaker 1: I mean a performance for the Ages, quite frankly by

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Speaker 2: And the way that he bounced back and led that

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Speaker 2: in that captain's patch. Now you're right, things were not

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Speaker 2: trending in the right direction. This wasn't like Arizona where

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Speaker 2: you salvage something at the end of the half. Felt

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Speaker 2: like he had some momentum. Packers had zero momentum. Oh

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Speaker 2: and by the way, Pittsburgh had a chance to double

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Speaker 2: any of that. But that being said, the Packers got

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Speaker 2: the ball back and when Jordan Love needed to make

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Speaker 2: the guy that has been his most consistent, reliable target

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Speaker 2: this season, and that's Tucker Craft. For Tucker a week

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Speaker 2: after making an absolute game changing, game altering catch in

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Speaker 2: to make the play happen. And I even tweeted during

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Speaker 2: the game, I had a hard time understanding the difference

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Speaker 2: and then what happened with with Keishawn Nixon on another

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Speaker 2: it was staffers from the Steelers or some people that

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers that were directly behind where we were sitting

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Speaker 2: in the press box. And after Kraft caught his second

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Speaker 2: someone even said is he is he a receiver? Is

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Speaker 2: that guy? What does he play for them? Like they didn't.

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Speaker 2: And I loved at that exact moment on the television camera,

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Speaker 2: It felt to me like last year was the breakout, right,

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Speaker 2: we all saw what he could be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the arrival, the arrival for sure.

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Speaker 2: It now the national public, the people that have fantasy

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Speaker 2: football teams, the people that are just casual viewers, they

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Speaker 2: know who Tucker Craft is and Mike. I could list

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Speaker 2: off all the superlatives for you, but the fact is

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Speaker 2: is that the Packers hit on a good one and

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Speaker 2: this guy, man, he is going to be something special. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And when you you look at you mentioned the game

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Speaker 1: it as opposed to kick the tying field goal, and

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Speaker 1: Tucker Craft was actually the third option on that play.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love found him well when there was a crucial

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Speaker 1: fourth and one in this game, he wasn't the third option,

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Speaker 1: my friend. He was getting the this that play was

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Speaker 1: another another example of the steps forward that that are

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Speaker 1: you watch Big number eighty five. I mean, what is

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Speaker 1: You know. It was like a five yard pass and

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Speaker 1: he turns it into a twenty four yard touchdown because

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Speaker 1: his one hundred and forty three receiving yards were after

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Speaker 1: the catch. Excuse me, just a He is becoming he's

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Speaker 2: He's insane. It is wild to watch. And somebody had

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Speaker 2: made a remark to well, how could he have one

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty one yards after the catch? Dude, go

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Speaker 2: back and watch a film. See how close to the

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Speaker 2: line of scrimmage he was when he caught basically every

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Speaker 2: the most he was downfield. Yeah, a couple of those

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Speaker 1: And that's that's how we that's how the differential between

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Speaker 1: On the defensive side of this game in Pittsburgh again,

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Speaker 1: played into the Packers' hands quite frankly.

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Speaker 2: So here's the difference in the game. Yes, let's talk

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Speaker 2: about Rodgers here in a second. Here's the difference in the game.

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh ran the ball really, really well in the first

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Speaker 2: half and the Packers did not the second half. The

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Speaker 2: Packers state committed to the run, found some explosive plays

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Speaker 2: there with Emmanuel Wilson with Josh Jacobs in space. Josh

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Speaker 2: Jacobs again is probably the best goal line.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, another rushing touchdown for number eight.

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Speaker 2: What an insane guy. This guy is right inside the

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Speaker 2: five yard line. He finds a way. And Pittsburgh ran

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Speaker 2: the ball three times for twelve twelve yards twelve yearns.

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Speaker 2: I don't get it, like and maybe that's just the

447
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Speaker 2: old Aaron Rodgers. You know, I covered him, and I

448
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Speaker 2: just I they had a blueprint that was working for them.

449
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Speaker 2: They were not finishing drives. Chris Boswell is the most

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Speaker 2: underrated kicker in the National Football League. But they were

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Speaker 2: scoring points and they were being effective. Everything stopped because

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Speaker 2: they were It's not that they weren't running the ball

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Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter when the Packers pulled a head.

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Speaker 2: They weren't running the ball when they had the lead. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just I don't. It's mind boggling to me that said.

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Speaker 2: That approach allowed the Packers pass rush to get going.

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Speaker 2: It allowed the secondary to seemingly settle down. Ye Carrington Valentine,

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Speaker 2: who was making the start in the perimeter I thought

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Speaker 2: had a really strong game at Lafleuur backed it up

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Speaker 2: on Monday. Kuay Walker was making plays, Eddrin Cooper got

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Speaker 2: a major takeaway, Packers defense got its momentum built in

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Speaker 2: the second half, and I to this day, I still

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Speaker 2: don't understand what the Steelers were trying to do to

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Speaker 2: assist Aaron Rodgers, who wasn't perfect by a meanings the

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Speaker 2: first half, but was efficient and was taking advantage of opportunities.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and Rodgers was certainly not putting the

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Speaker 1: ball in harm's way. He was definitely aware of Micah

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Speaker 1: Parsons at every you know, at every moment, and was

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Speaker 1: protecting himself a lot from Parsons. Rashan Gary got one

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Speaker 1: sack in the first half. Then in the second half

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Speaker 1: we saw both Gary and Parsons get sacks. At the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, the Steelers were just one out

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Speaker 1: of ten on third down, which you hold Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: to one out of ten on third down, you're doing

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Speaker 1: You're doing something right. And yeah, and it was it

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Speaker 1: was a lot of It was a lot of third

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Speaker 1: and lungs. You mentioned the takeaway as well, that came

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Speaker 1: that came in a big moment where the Packers had

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Speaker 1: the lead, but the game was certainly, you know, was

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Speaker 1: certainly very much in the balance, and Rogers, looking to

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Speaker 1: put together a drive, takes the checkdown throw to Kenneth Gainwell,

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Speaker 1: uh Eddrian Cooper punches it out. Javon Bullet recovers. The

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Speaker 1: Packers turn that into a field goal add to their lead.

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Speaker 1: Just keeping keeping that second half momentum on Green Bay side.

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Speaker 1: With that takeaway, you mentioned two guys that Matt Lafleur

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Speaker 1: also talked about on Monday. I have a story on

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com from late in the day on Monday

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Speaker 1: about it. Kway Walker Carrington Valentine I thought were two

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Speaker 1: of the defensive heroes in this game for the Packers.

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Speaker 1: Walker played, I thought his usual solid game in terms

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Speaker 1: of being a presence at the line of scrimmage, chasing

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Speaker 1: sideline to sideline. That's what That's what kuay Walker does.

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Speaker 1: He laid a couple of big hits in this game.

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Speaker 1: I mean he to put his shoulder pads down and

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Speaker 1: powered into a couple of guys. But that moment in

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter where DK Metcalf, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: Metcalf was up to. He's clearly trying to provoke Quay

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Speaker 1: Walker provoked with a poke, you know, sticks his fingers

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Speaker 1: through his face mask as though to poke him in

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Speaker 1: the eye. And then when that doesn't get a reaction

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Speaker 1: from Walker, he grabs his face mask and kind of

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Speaker 1: yanks on it, tugs on it a little bit. That

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Speaker 1: doesn't get a reaction from Walker, and the flags fly

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Speaker 1: and the Steelers go from a third and two when

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Speaker 1: they're only down by ten points with ten minutes left,

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Speaker 1: the game is still very much at hand. Down by

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Speaker 1: ten ten minutes left, a third and two turns into

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Speaker 1: a third and sevent because kuay Walker keeps his composure.

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Speaker 1: He admitted, the rookie quay Walker of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: who had gotten ejected from games a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: would not have would not have been able to contain

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Speaker 1: himself in that way. But kuay Walker has come a

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Speaker 1: long way. As Matt Lafleur said, he's wearing that sea

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Speaker 1: on his chest on the defense for a reason. He's

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Speaker 1: voted a team captain defensively for a reason. That was

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Speaker 1: a big moment in the game. And my hat is

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Speaker 1: off to number seven because I don't know if somebody

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Speaker 1: tried to stick their fingers through my face mask, if

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Speaker 1: I would have been able to just walk away.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, another couple of things to that. Yeah, what happened

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Speaker 2: the two plays before that incident? Do you remember? I

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Speaker 2: don't two Jalen Warren runs. Two of the three runs

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Speaker 2: in the second half came on that series.

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Speaker 1: And it was third and two and last was going

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Speaker 1: to be his last.

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Speaker 2: One was a five yard run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was going to set up third and two.

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Speaker 2: That instead ended up basically being a ten yard loss

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Speaker 2: for them. This shows you the discipline aspect of when

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Speaker 2: mattvil Flor's talking about playing smart football, right, that's the

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Speaker 2: type of thing you got accompt form because here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: There is gonna be enough bad calls against you. There's

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Speaker 2: gonna be enough things that tilt against you. You can't

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Speaker 2: make it obvious. You can't give officials a reason to

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Speaker 2: throw that flag. I'll be honest with you, with the

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Speaker 2: way that game was trending with Sean Hockeyley, no disrespect,

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Speaker 2: but I was actually a little nervous when I was like,

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Speaker 2: please tell me they're not gonna come up with some

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Speaker 2: ka kamene am allowed to say? Is that a good

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? That's a good word, ka kameny excuse?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Or okay? Well, offsetting penalties, if Quay Walker grabs

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Speaker 2: the face mask of DK Metcalf, don't even care about

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Speaker 2: what happened with quay three years ago. If he does that,

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Speaker 2: it could have been the most stand up citizen A

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Speaker 2: lot of people would have had that reaction. Offsetting penalties, right, Yep,

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Speaker 2: no doubt he stands in there, the officials see it,

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Speaker 2: they throw the flag. You let the officials handle it.

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Speaker 2: Third and seventeen, Rogers drops back and what happens yet

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Speaker 2: again Rashan gary Sackson him two rashaun s Gary Sachs

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Speaker 2: in this game, three overall, including the one for minus

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Speaker 2: ten yards at the beginning of the fourth quarter. With

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Speaker 2: Micah Parsons. The Packers defense is a good defense and

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Speaker 2: when you give them opportunities, you're going to find success.

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Speaker 2: And Mike, I'll be honest with you again. Another thing

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Speaker 2: I was telling Renee during the game that she probably

557
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Speaker 2: was like, why does this guy keep talking to me?

558
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Speaker 2: But it was the idea that it's.

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Speaker 1: Because you didn't have me to talk to. I'll be there.

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Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be at the rest of the I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward. So this was a this was a one off.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't like to miss games. But I

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Speaker 1: had to skip this road trip.

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Speaker 2: Which is understandable. Who wants to go to who wants

565
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Speaker 2: to spend a day and a half in a hotel?

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Speaker 2: But no, But here's the thing. So Renee is working,

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Speaker 2: I think, and I said to her, I was like, listen,

568
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Speaker 2: no disrespect to Aaron Rodgers. But these were the situations

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Speaker 2: where when Rogers it would be a negative penalty like that.

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Speaker 2: Then Rogers goes back in the pocket, he holds onto

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Speaker 2: the ball too long, and it's a sack. The green

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Speaker 2: Bay Packers were the beneficiary of it in this one.

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Speaker 2: You could see it, and you could see that turn

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Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter when Rogers just waiting and waiting

575
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Speaker 2: and waiting for something to happened down field, and it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: The pressure gets home. It just it was the snowball

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Speaker 2: that kept moving. The way I looked at this game

578
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: as a whole mic was it was like a track

579
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Speaker 2: meet where it was it was two guys, two people

580
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Speaker 2: running a thirty two hundred meter relay. The Pittsburgh Steelers

581
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Speaker 2: got out to an early lead, they're up to that

582
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Speaker 2: mile mark, but green Bay out paced them, and once

583
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Speaker 2: they got to that, you know, the sixth lap, the seventh,

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Speaker 2: they just went. And I think that was probably the

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Speaker 2: biggest takeaway from this the game against Arizona, they showed

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Speaker 2: a lot of moxie finding a way to win that

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Speaker 2: late in this game. It showed them that Okay, we're

588
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Speaker 2: gonna get this lead and we're not going to give

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Speaker 2: it back, We're going to take it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they stayed, They stayed in command of this game.

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Speaker 1: I do want to mention Carrington Valentine as well. You

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Speaker 1: already brought them up once we learned from Matt Lafleur

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Speaker 1: that essentially what's been going on at cornerback for it

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Speaker 1: sounds like the last couple of weeks now has been

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Speaker 1: essentially an in practice competition for playing time primarily between

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Speaker 1: Nate Hobbs and Carrington Valentine. Lafleur suggest Keishawn Nixon would

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00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: be in that mix now as well. But in Arizona,

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Speaker 1: Nate Hobbs basically played the entire game and Valentine only

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00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: played a couple snaps on defense. It flipped in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Valentine basically played all the snaps on defense, all but

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Speaker 1: one maybe, and Nate Hobbs only played a few snaps defensively.

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00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: Valentine answered the call in this one that that pass

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Speaker 1: breakup on the seam route to the end zone to

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Speaker 1: DK Metcalf, that was pretty impressive and that was a

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Speaker 1: big that was that was a four point play. The

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Speaker 1: Steelers end up settling for a field goal, kept him

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Speaker 1: out of the end zone. They only get three instead

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Speaker 1: of seven there because of that breakup on Metcalf almost

609
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Speaker 1: had came close to a really good breakup actually on Washington,

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Speaker 1: the big tight end, but then he got called for

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Speaker 1: the pass interference. I mean that's a two hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighty pound tight end that he's you know that he's

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Speaker 1: trying to handle there. But then almost had the big

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Speaker 1: another big breakup of Roman Wilson in the end zone.

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Speaker 1: It actually was originally call an incomplete past the replay

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Speaker 1: assists change it to a touchdown. I think they got

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Speaker 1: that call right. But uh, Valentine what what Matt Lafuir

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Speaker 1: talked about, he was really he was impressed with Valentine's

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Speaker 1: just his competitiveness, how he challenged everything. There were the

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Speaker 1: phrase the best phrase from Matt Lafleur on Monday in

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Speaker 1: talking about Valentine's play, he said, there were no gimmes.

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Speaker 1: He just didn't give them anything. He made them, he

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Speaker 1: made them earn anything that uh that went his way,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see where things go from here. Now it's

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Speaker 1: we don't get to watch eleven on eleven. The team

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Speaker 1: snaps during practice like during the week, the media, you know,

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Speaker 1: we aren't there, so how things are gonna unfold every

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Speaker 1: week in practice in terms of who's leading the competition

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Speaker 1: and who's going to get the snaps. We're just going

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Speaker 1: to be finding out on Sunday for a while here

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Speaker 1: how this is going to go. But but hats off

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Speaker 1: to Carrington Valentine for for a really, really solid performance

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Speaker 1: after what I thought were you know, going back to

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Speaker 1: the Dallas game when Dak Prescott really got rolling in

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Speaker 1: the second half in Dallas. You know, Valentine had some

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Speaker 1: rough moments just like all the other cornerbacks did, so

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a big step forward for him.

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Speaker 2: It's a tough deal, Michael, because we saw the rotation

639
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: go back into effect at right guard in this one.

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Speaker 2: Right Sean Ryan ended up playing more snaps than Jordan

641
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Speaker 2: Morgan in this one thirty five Do I think what

642
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: was it twenty nine Packers, including that Dallas game, were

643
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: trying to find ways to sort of rotate in Valentine.

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Speaker 2: It's not the easiest thing to do at cornerback. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it does. And this goes back to twenty fourteen. I

646
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: can remember when the Packers had a surplus of cornerbacks

647
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Speaker 2: when Tremon Williams was healthy Casey Hayward was healthy, Devon

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Speaker 2: House was healthy, and Sam Shields was also there. They

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Speaker 2: didn't know who to play with how much nickel they do,

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Speaker 2: so they had to tremon moved inside. They started doing

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Speaker 2: different things when Casey was out. That's kind of where

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00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: they're at right now. But sometimes it is just better

653
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Speaker 2: to let a guy go out there, get into a rhythm,

654
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Speaker 2: establish it, not break it, as long as he's not healthy,

655
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Speaker 2: you know, as long as he's healthy not injured. And

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Speaker 2: I thought that's what we saw here. I thought Carrington

657
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Speaker 2: was given the full workload. He was allowed to be

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Speaker 2: himself out there. It's a tough spot to be in though,

659
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Speaker 2: because obviously Nate just got a pretty big contract. I

660
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Speaker 2: think everybody believes he can do a lot of good things.

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Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur said, you know, they have a lot of

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Speaker 2: confidence in him. He's had some of these knee issues,

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Speaker 2: but overall he's healthy and available.

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Speaker 1: Hey, and if this is a reset for Hobbs, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, after you mentioned the injuries, he had a

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Speaker 1: rough game in Arizona. Everybody knows that. But if this

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Speaker 1: allows him to reset, the Packers defense will be better

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Speaker 1: off for it. In the long run.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you kind of wonder too, you know when

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Speaker 2: a guy goes down, because it's not like he dealt

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Speaker 2: with that kneel. I mean, he had it during training camp,

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Speaker 2: but then he was added the injury report on Friday

673
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Speaker 2: and then he ends up playing on it. Be that

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Speaker 2: as it may, everyone's injured. I get that. I just

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Speaker 2: think that when you have somebody like Carrington in the

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Speaker 2: fold too, that you and I for a number of

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Speaker 2: years now, going back to really his rookie year, we've

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Speaker 2: talked about this guy having starting caliber attributes. Yeah, finding

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Speaker 2: ways to get him going and finding ways to keep

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Speaker 2: all these guys involved, because Mike, here is the thing.

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Speaker 2: It's week nine now, There's gonna be more injuries through

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Speaker 2: the course of the season. There's gonna be things that

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Speaker 2: are gonna pop up, and you're gonna need Nate Hobbs.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna need Sean Ryan, You're gonna need Jordan Morgan,

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Speaker 2: You're gonna need Carington Valentine. You're gonna need those guys

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Speaker 2: to get through the season. Even to bring it back

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Speaker 2: to our intro with Christian Watson, right, Christian, there's all

688
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Speaker 2: these people that always say, well, if you add Christian Watson.

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Speaker 2: You got you got Dobbs, and you got Golden, and

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00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: you got Tucker, and you got this. You can't look

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Speaker 2: at it like that. You have to be looking at

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Speaker 2: it from the standpoint of a recurring calf injury for

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Speaker 2: Dantavian Wicks rears its ugly head again and now he's

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Speaker 2: unavailable for this game, and you don't have Jayden Reid

695
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: because he broke his collar bone last month. Christian Watson

696
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: comes back into the fold at exactly the right time

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Speaker 2: the Packers need him where they could use a healthy receiver.

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Speaker 2: That's how this game is played a lot of times.

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Speaker 2: So yes, what happened on Sunday does not dictate the future.

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Speaker 2: Things can change quickly. Sometimes destiny has a role in that.

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Speaker 2: But the nice about it is the Packers have some

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00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: depth there, and they have a lot of guys that

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00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: have played a lot of football now that they can

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Speaker 2: rely on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we've more than filled the show here. I

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Speaker 1: do want to say, with regard to officiating issues from

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Speaker 1: this game and from Arizona, I want to revisit some

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Speaker 1: of this stuff on our next show. I want to

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Speaker 1: take I want to take some time on Thursday show

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Speaker 1: to talk about some of this stuff. The last thing

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Speaker 1: before we go, I just want to give everybody the

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Speaker 1: rundown on where things are. The Packers in the NFC

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Speaker 1: North on top at five to one and one, the

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Speaker 1: Detroit Lions who were on the by at five and two.

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Speaker 1: The Bears and the Vikings both lost on the road

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Speaker 1: to AFC teams this past week, So the Bears are

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Speaker 1: four and three, the Vikings are three and four. As

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Speaker 1: far as the rest of the NFC is concerned, the

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Speaker 1: Packers statistically at five to one and one are still

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Speaker 1: in the top spot. Philadelphia and Tampa Bay right behind

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Speaker 1: at six and two. Then you have the Rams and

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks, who were both on their by this past week.

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Speaker 1: They are both five and two, and then the forty

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Speaker 1: nine Ers who lost to an AFC team. The Packers

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Speaker 1: got some good results they did this week. As far

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Speaker 1: as these AFC NFC matchups, San Francisco lost to the

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Speaker 1: a FCS Houston Texans. They are now five and three.

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Speaker 1: Not a lot has been sorted out yet, certainly, and

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Speaker 1: we're technically not even at the at the halfway point

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Speaker 1: of the season here. But but when you look at

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Speaker 1: you look at where the Packers. Are you look at

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Speaker 1: what else is going on in the NFC. This This

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Speaker 1: was the type of road win that that is going

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Speaker 1: to carry you a little ways, right, I mean, because

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Speaker 1: this was this was one of those that's a that's

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Speaker 1: a coin flip going in and uh and the Packers

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Speaker 1: were able to come away with it impressively and hopefully

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Speaker 1: now three of the next four games at home. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: this is where the Packers can start building on something.

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Speaker 2: You had to move on from that Cleveland loss, and

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Speaker 2: the best way to do it is to pick up

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Speaker 2: two wins of the NF or excuse me, the AFC

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Speaker 2: North right away. Green Bay did that. And if I may,

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00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: just a couple other things just I want to touch

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00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: on very quickly. You see Carson wentz go down with

746
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Speaker 2: the Vikings. Now it looks like JJ McCarthy will be back.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that probably on Thursday as well. But

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Speaker 2: they get absolutely routed by the Chargers in that game,

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Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens, who are at one in five. But

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Speaker 2: I think we're actually still the favorite going into that

751
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Speaker 2: against the four and two Bears, despite the fact that

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson wasn't playing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that surprised me. But the odds makers, they know,

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Speaker 1: they know things sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'll be honest with you. I'm talking above

756
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Speaker 2: both from the Ravens point of view and Scoot Huntley's

757
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 2: point of view. Tyler Huntley should be on the Ravens forever.

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Speaker 2: Like as long as Lamar Jackson's the quarterback there, Huntley

759
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: should be his backup. It's gotten really cute the last

760
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: few years. Huntley, you know, moved around a couple spots.

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Speaker 2: The Ravens were trying different quarterbacks behind. Huntley's the one

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Speaker 2: that can keep you on your program. And he played

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Speaker 2: an exceptional game against the Bears. Did Calebs did not?

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Speaker 2: As he continues to kind of ride those waves here

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Speaker 2: and you too. There were so many things and we

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Speaker 2: were running out of time here. But Houston beating as

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Speaker 2: you mentioned, beating San Francisco, Denver beating Dallas, Kansas City

768
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Speaker 2: beating Max or excuse me, Marcus Mariota and the Commanders

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Speaker 2: just win games, man. And when the AFC NFC matchups

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Speaker 2: kind of fall that way, it allows nature to sort

771
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Speaker 2: of take its course. Because here's the thing. Every playoff

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Speaker 2: team right now, in the standings you want to call them,

773
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Speaker 2: are at five wins through eight weeks or six, I

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Speaker 2: mean they have at least five. Yeah, and you need

775
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 2: to pick up as many of these things as possible

776
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Speaker 2: because there's going to be teams that just get knocked

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Speaker 2: off along the way. There's going to be teams that

778
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: are right there with the Packers that will lose to

779
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: a Cleveland Browns. But the Packers are they already use

780
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: that get out of jail free card. Now you need

781
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: to play clean football and that continues this Sunday against

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Speaker 2: the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we will talk about the Carolina Panthers as

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Speaker 1: well as some of those other issues on our next

785
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: show because we've gone way overtime, but we only had

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Speaker 1: one show last week, so we're allowed to go overtime

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Speaker 1: on our first show this week. But please do continue

788
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Speaker 1: to follow all of our coverage of the team on

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Speaker 1: Packers dot com for Wesim Mike. Thank you for tuning

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Speaker 1: in everybody. We will see you next time.

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