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Speaker 2: I was a lady rebbel, Like, what does that even be?

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Speaker 1: Any of the Boone County Rebels will stay?

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Speaker 2: The Boone County Rebels with the image of right here

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Speaker 1: Figures is a flag or mascot. Anytime you're trying to

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Speaker 2: Backgrounds from Ninth Planet Audio. I'm Akhila Hughes and this

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Speaker 2: is Rebel Spirit New Year Update.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we are all here together doing kind of

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Speaker 3: another check in talkback episode. The last time we did

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Speaker 3: kind of wanted to all get together again. Now that

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Speaker 3: all of our main episodes have come out, we're still

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Speaker 3: kind of doing some reporting and you know, following up

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Speaker 3: here with Dan, our producer, Akila, our host and fearless

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it feels good. I think that, you know,

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Speaker 2: work to lay the story of why these kinds of

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Speaker 1: Very much same? I have thought a lot about the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think the truth is bringing it

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Speaker 2: Right. I mean, it's also that's the thing. It sets

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Speaker 3: And so kind of wrapping things up, I do want

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Speaker 3: to I mentioned nineteen ninety five and it's something that

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Speaker 3: can truly be like a whole season and we've kind

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Speaker 3: of like talked about that, but if you dan just

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Speaker 3: briefly kind of want to touch on some of that

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Speaker 3: that we are going to kind of be looking at

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Speaker 3: even further and then also kind of touch on some

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Speaker 3: of what the continued reporting has been in terms of

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Speaker 3: foyer requests, and like briefly, you know, we're going to

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Speaker 3: do a couple more episodes like what is kind of

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Speaker 3: to come, you know, kind of the deep dive that

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Speaker 3: will eventually be here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, So I mean on the on the on

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Speaker 1: the second thing first, you know, as as we have

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Speaker 1: expressed many times, like we have not heard from the

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Speaker 1: school or the district, no matter how many times we ask,

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Speaker 1: no about how nicely we ask, you know, whether we're

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Speaker 1: there in person, whether or not. And we finally got

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Speaker 1: to the point this probably October or so, where we decided,

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Speaker 1: you know what, there are other ways we can find

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Speaker 1: out what they're thinking, you know, and so along with

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Speaker 1: our researcher, Janis, we started filing foyer requests or open

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Speaker 1: records requests for the district and for the high school

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Speaker 1: and to find out, you know, what has been happening

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Speaker 1: kind of as we've been reporting what's been happening on

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Speaker 1: that side of things. And it's taken a while, but

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Speaker 1: and part of that is just with open records requests

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Speaker 1: you kind of get one little piece. A friend of

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Speaker 1: mine who does them a lot, described it as it's

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Speaker 1: like peeling an onion, you know, and you rarely get

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Speaker 1: the thing you want at the start, you know, but

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Speaker 1: you get a little hint of the thing that you want.

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Speaker 1: And we have a lot now and so we've been

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Speaker 1: that'll be kind of coming up in February will be

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Speaker 1: the results of all of that, which is significantly a

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Speaker 1: large amount of stuff. I printed it out the other

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Speaker 1: day and it's come on page is but uh damn,

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Speaker 1: but but yeah, it's exciting. And one of the sort

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Speaker 1: of weird side quests that came up out of that

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Speaker 1: was this year of nineteen ninety five, which you know,

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Speaker 1: kept popping up in all sorts of different of different ways,

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Speaker 1: and every time it would pop up, you know, again

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Speaker 1: sort of the onion thing, except this time you're like

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Speaker 1: looking at a different onion and you're like, what's that?

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Speaker 2: Like, what's that?

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Speaker 1: Looks really big? What's happening there? And so we've also

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Speaker 1: been sort of looking into nineteen ninety five in Florence,

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Speaker 1: but then in all of Kentucky, where there was a

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Speaker 1: remarkable amount of stuff happening around rebel schools in and

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Speaker 1: around the whole state. And so that's been sort of

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Speaker 1: a like I said, it's definitely a side quest, like

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Speaker 1: my little link is well off into a forest on

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Speaker 1: that one. But but uh, but it's it's a lot

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Speaker 1: of very interesting stuff as well. So absolutely, yeah. And

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Speaker 1: it's it's funny because you know, in my various notes

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Speaker 1: to these these guys, as I've been I've been kind

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Speaker 1: of following this, it's like, I think this is a

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Speaker 1: we've got a good episode about nineteen ninety five, and

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Speaker 1: then it's like, actually, I think maybe it's two. And

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Speaker 1: then at some point it's like it's I think we

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Speaker 1: have a mini series here, and then finally it was like, no,

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Speaker 1: I think there's ten episodes. So yeah, hopefully we can

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Speaker 1: do those ten.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, just to sort of touch on

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Speaker 2: what Dan was saying too about nineteen ninety five, like

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Speaker 2: it is sort of its own onion, but it also

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Speaker 2: directly ties into what we are researching about why Boone

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Speaker 2: County is dying on the James Dan Hill. So like,

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Speaker 2: I think that what excites me and what we have

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Speaker 2: to look forward to and all of it, and what's

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Speaker 2: become even more relevant is the history here, and it's like,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm on blue sky and everybody now is

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Speaker 2: having a conversation about civil rights because they are under

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Speaker 2: a tech. There are executive orders being repealed, you know,

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Speaker 2: law that we believed was settled will probably be challenged,

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Speaker 2: all of those things, and there is just sort of

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Speaker 2: a lack of education that people have about it. Like

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Speaker 2: I think that because you know, Martin Luther King has

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Speaker 2: always been seen as so long ago, and all the

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Speaker 2: footage is always played in black and white, and we're

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Speaker 2: always like, but then he died for our sins, like

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Speaker 2: he's Jesus, and now racism's dead. It's like people just

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Speaker 2: didn't ever see it clearly, and now we have to,

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Speaker 2: like we have to understand the moves that are being

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Speaker 2: made and why, and so that feels really relevant. Like

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Speaker 2: I personally have gone back to episode two several times

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Speaker 2: to be like, yeah, no, this is the timeline, like

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Speaker 2: fifty four kicks off where we are today, Like it's

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Speaker 2: it is like this defining moment and it's all the

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Speaker 2: same people, you know what I mean. It's the people

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Speaker 2: that never got fully shouted down who are now trying

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Speaker 2: to drag us back in time. And I think that

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Speaker 2: it's important for people to recognize that it's important to

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Speaker 2: see our place in that history. But I also just

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Speaker 2: think that like the overarching themes that we keep coming

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Speaker 2: back to, tradition, progress, high school, like it all matters.

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Speaker 2: It's all doing what you can where you are. And

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Speaker 2: I do think that, like it's going to be an

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Speaker 2: exhausting four years if we make it that long, and

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Speaker 2: so like you have to figure out how to be

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Speaker 2: effective where you are, and so like I don't know

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Speaker 2: all of it going forward is still that same mandate

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Speaker 2: to me, it's you know, to really dig deep and

532
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Speaker 2: to figure out what is true and not shy away

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Speaker 2: from telling that truth to whoever we have to, but

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Speaker 2: also being like precise, Like when they're talking about de Ei,

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Speaker 2: they're talking about civil rights now like at first maybe

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Speaker 2: they were upset because a black person got hired, but

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Speaker 2: now they don't want black people in the government. These

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00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: are the kind of thoughts that we need to be

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Speaker 2: honest and open about and see you know, the through lines,

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Speaker 2: and so yeah, I don't know, but the next episode

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Speaker 2: is yeah, with the Foyer requests, I can't wait. We

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Speaker 2: got some juicy shit in there, and I'm gonna be

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Speaker 2: honest about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're taking it back to the what is it like, emails, timelines, receipt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like.

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Speaker 3: We have all of it. Yeah, We've got it all.

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Speaker 2: They can't hid, they can't hide. We know what you said,

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Speaker 2: We know your code words.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise, just wanted to kind of give an update and

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Speaker 3: check in and thank you guys for hopping on. But

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Speaker 3: more to come.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, keep your head up. Rebel Spirit is a production

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Speaker 2: of ninth Planet Audio and association with iHeart Podcasts. Reporting

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Speaker 2: and writing by me Akila Hughes. I'm also an executive

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Speaker 2: composed by Charlie Sun, Sound design and mixing by Josie A.

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