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Speaker 2: Yes we're back North.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's a fact. Game of Thrones. What they say

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Speaker 2: Nets, stark right and John Snow the bass of John Snow.

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Speaker 3: Shout to John Snow. So yeah, your Lisia. The good

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Speaker 3: thing about your Lisia is that you know it started

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Speaker 3: It's crazy what you can do with the iPhone. And

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Speaker 3: just like a no brainer. He actually commented on my

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Speaker 3: him up. I'm like, Yo, you're interested in coming on

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Speaker 3: And you know, within a couple of weeks we got it.

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Speaker 3: you definitely notice gentleman's name. So Director X is his

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Speaker 3: and he used to previously before Director X, it was

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Speaker 3: who's who. He's worked with everybody from US Shure, jay Z, Shwan,

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Speaker 3: He did French Mantana's famous video Drake and Rihanna.

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Speaker 4: I was about to say you left Rihanna. He did

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Speaker 3: Drake hotline blank, That's classic.

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Speaker 7: So doing logos?

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Speaker 7: But now I got this piece. So I got this videotape.

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Speaker 6: So I discovered Hype Williams. I see the article in

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Speaker 7: If you don't know what me me Bell.

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Speaker 4: Is No, No, I don't know me.

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Speaker 7: She she manages for Ell. She's one of these producers

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Speaker 6: Just so again I tell these kids, people you meet,

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Speaker 7: You rubbing Shoulders with right now, you will keep on

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Speaker 7: I'm saying. M Andre Herrel and Russell Simmons, how long

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all our relationships exactly.

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Speaker 7: The sounds this goes.

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Speaker 6: So now I have the I have a poetry video

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Speaker 7: It looks like, Hey, this looks like some kid. That's

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Speaker 6: and I write a letter, Hey, I want to you know,

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Speaker 7: How do I get a hold right? Send this whole package?

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Speaker 6: So then I finally just call because the number is

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Speaker 6: So I knew ian to know back then I shouldn't

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Speaker 7: That is enough I'm lucky.

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Speaker 6: I send them the package, and I actually send to

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Speaker 7: Never I didn't know. She didn't send him mind, she

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Speaker 6: So again, don't this this. When you're young, you expect

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Speaker 7: Have to be a friend fucking say hey, you got

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Speaker 7: You can help me, you know what I'm saying. So

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Speaker 6: If I'm learning under that, I know where right, So

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Speaker 7: Disrespect, but I can't.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but again it's a good lesson in friendship. The

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Speaker 6: Don't expect your friends to also somehow be your I

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Speaker 7: I don't know what the fun but they're your friends.

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Speaker 7: Let that be. And my crew we have a thing

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Speaker 2: Really friends, you.

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Speaker 7: Know what I'm saying. That didn't work out? What you know?

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Speaker 8: So because they work it out home, ain't the job

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Speaker 7: Is that real? Can can your friendship survive that?

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Speaker 6: So anyways, now I got the package, I said to

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Speaker 7: And you versus good.

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Speaker 6: Around that time, I had a summer job with Cardinal

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Speaker 6: There's like these jobs in the arts and great lesson

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Speaker 7: You might hear like we're gonna pay a bunch of

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Speaker 6: And no, no, damn your ninety percent of those kids

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Speaker 6: I'm a director. I became a director. I left town,

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Speaker 6: I came back. I brought millions of dollars to the city.

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Speaker 7: Cardinal has put the city on the map, you know

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Speaker 6: So investing in the arts and investing into your children

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Speaker 7: They go on to do this work. So I was

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Speaker 6: So the New York trip was, you know, we'd go

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Speaker 7: I'm on my hustle. I'm on my hustle. I got

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Speaker 7: I show you something? Yeah? Sure, and I'll showing my video.

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Speaker 7: Can I show you something? I show I showed it

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Speaker 6: There's maybe I could think of two kids who came

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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: Now, I sometimes don't like to put kids on the

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Speaker 7: Now you've got some of this should be in me,

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Speaker 6: You gotta you gotta have to work on yourself and

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Speaker 7: It out, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: Uh, But either way, I would walk in these offices.

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Speaker 6: I have my tape, I had my back, I have

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Speaker 7: But now I'm also in New York. I'm calling up

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Speaker 7: when you got it, you haven't watched it. Then one

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Speaker 7: what's the address there? You gotta give me address?

444
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Speaker 3: Goes?

445
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:27,400
Speaker 7: What what's up?

446
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what somebody see my tape?

447
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, if we're the tape, where's the shirt? Where's all

448
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:49,560
Speaker 7: that ship? Give it back? So? Hey you got again?

449
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 6: Man, you go with this, go your young energy.

450
00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:54,919
Speaker 7: You're too young to know your mistakes. So you just

451
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,399
Speaker 7: flying from you know what I'm saying.

452
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Speaker 6: So I go to the office, one person in the office,

453
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,919
Speaker 6: and you're someone's watching this.

454
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:04,239
Speaker 3: I'll go.

455
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,400
Speaker 4: So it's so it's like the reception is at the death.

456
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,159
Speaker 4: She's the only one there, Like, yo, you're watching I

457
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,160
Speaker 4: don't give this is it?

458
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:11,919
Speaker 7: Yeah? The dude, the dude there, Yeah, he's only one

459
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:18,240
Speaker 7: in the office. You're watching this. Someone's watching this. Bro.

460
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Speaker 3: That's now that's the fact. I mean, that's how. That's

461
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,439
Speaker 3: the kind of energy that you got to have. Like, yo,

462
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,120
Speaker 3: it's not you can't take you can't take no fun answer.

463
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Speaker 2: You take pride in what you did. I mean, I

464
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:29,680
Speaker 2: just want people to see the art.

465
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Speaker 7: You look. So he looks at it. It's some emotion

466
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Speaker 7: and all, and.

467
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Speaker 9: Tell you you should wait a minute. Chelsea's coming back

468
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 9: someone someone you need to show the producer. So Chelsea

469
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Speaker 9: shows up again, Chelsea. I just worked with Chelsea the

470
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Speaker 9: other day because she's working in Atlanta with Toyle Harry.

471
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Speaker 2: People you know from yes thirty years the.

472
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Speaker 3: Beginning, and then now they all all over the world

473
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Speaker 3: doing amazing things the world.

474
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Speaker 7: Hey up, hey, ask you that a minute.

475
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Speaker 6: I need you like the relationships, this is all important.

476
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 6: Chelsea looks at it and I say to her, I

477
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Speaker 6: just I know.

478
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 7: I'm good enough to work for free.

479
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Speaker 3: Powerful, that's powerful. Now I don't want that, people say,

480
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 3: you say, I know, because a lot of times people

481
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 3: don't want to do that either. They don't want to

482
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 3: right out the gate. They want to get compensated. It's

483
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,360
Speaker 3: not wrong being conversated, but sometimes it's like you have

484
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 3: to do internships. Sometimes you have to not get conversated

485
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 3: at first so you can get compensated on the back end.

486
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Speaker 2: And you took it to another level.

487
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 4: You said I'm good enough to work for free, like

488
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 4: I'm gonna work for free and I'm good enough to

489
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Speaker 4: do it.

490
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Speaker 2: Let me in, let me in the do it.

491
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Speaker 3: What's yeah, yeah you are okay.

492
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Speaker 7: Come back in the month. I come back to Toronto

493
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 7: and it's like I'm in a small town.

494
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Speaker 6: You know.

495
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Speaker 4: Now, we gotta put this in context because people they

496
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Speaker 4: think Toronto is amazing, and it is amazing places. But

497
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Speaker 4: this is prior to this is Drake and the Overo

498
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 4: movement in the Weekend, way.

499
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 3: Prior to this, way before no.

500
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Speaker 4: One did that era and we said, we said Carnal,

501
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 4: but people don't even know who that is. So Carnal

502
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 4: fished out. It was a big deal at that point.

503
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 6: Cardinal like Cardinal's my generation, like the little older generation.

504
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,160
Speaker 7: So there's people trying to make music. Things going on

505
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 7: a little little trunck, but is still a pipe dream.

506
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 6: Still, it's still it's still rough either way. I come

507
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 6: back and it's just it's I'm just like, I gotta go.

508
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 6: It doesn't feel like anyone's doing anything. You just know

509
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 6: when you get that small town. Yeah, So I leave

510
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 6: two weeks early. I come back to New York and

511
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Speaker 6: Chelsea the day I walked to your God.

512
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Speaker 7: Is and how you have to trust your instinct. The

513
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Speaker 7: day I walk into office was the day Chelsea had quit.

514
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

515
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Speaker 6: So the executive producer, Aquila looks at me and she

516
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Speaker 6: says that goes, I don't know who you are, what

517
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Speaker 6: this is. I don't know what's going on because I

518
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Speaker 6: I thought he's supposed to be an intern, all right,

519
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Speaker 6: So I.

520
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Speaker 7: Just I did a George Constanza. I just showed up

521
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Speaker 7: the next.

522
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Speaker 3: With my time card, black business.

523
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Speaker 6: You know, they're making these videos and ships so crazy.

524
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 6: They said that, all right, he's here, and then I

525
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 6: just showed up and went to work. I'm here, you

526
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Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. And at that time I just

527
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 6: stayed by my aunt and he's flatbush. She literally the

528
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 6: only TV with table was the morning in their bedroom.

529
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Speaker 7: The the other TV was like an old school.

530
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Speaker 4: Like radio air over the air, yeah, turning ob antennas

531
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Speaker 4: all that.

532
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Speaker 7: Yes, CBS in the kitchen, so like uncomfortable. So there's

533
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Speaker 7: no there's no getting lost in TV. There's no getting

534
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 7: lost in technology. I touched their computer once and like,

535
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 7: you know, I'm doing all this stuff they don't want

536
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Speaker 7: to do.

537
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 6: My mother's best friend she's like, yo, don't ever touch

538
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 6: the computer again.

539
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 7: So they don't want me on the computer. They don't

540
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 7: want me. Actually there's TV there. Just you can sleep here.

541
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 7: I'm in a little room. Also, make your guest room

542
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 7: a little uncomfortable. Don't make lavish guest.

543
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 6: Rooms when you when young hip hop boys, because your

544
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 6: homeboys are gonna think that's their room.

545
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 7: So I'm staying in an uncomfortable guest bedroom and nothing

546
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 7: to do when I get home. So I just spent

547
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 7: all my time in office. And then I look around

548
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 7: the office say, oh, your tapes, because.

549
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 6: Would be okay, go get again the stacking of knowledge.

550
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 6: I was an intern at Much Music and National TV station.

551
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Speaker 6: They had a tape library system like.

552
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Speaker 7: An old school one, like when you go to the

553
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 7: old school library, go to finish. But Big Dog that

554
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 7: was the name. Come Big Dog Films. At Big Dog.

555
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 6: The tapes are all in a box in the corner

556
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 6: and they go find the Wu Tang video and you

557
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 6: just go searching like a fucking scavenger.

558
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 7: And all this time, and then.

559
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 6: They came in the office one day and there's suddenly

560
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 6: the all the tapes are on shelves with stickers on them.

561
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 6: And I had a little thing, Oh, if you're looking

562
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Speaker 6: for a tape. Now what you do is you look

563
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 6: up and then this.

564
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 7: Card has the code.

565
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 6: So a ditchy beta is a cl a half inches

566
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 6: and three quarters tape as that.

567
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 7: So I had all the codes and ability the fuck

568
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 7: is this kid?

569
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 6: They'd go, they leave and come back and all the

570
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 6: furniture be rearranged because the way they used to have

571
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Speaker 6: it is that the.

572
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 7: Door would open and people will.

573
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 6: Go in, but the desk was here, So here's the

574
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 6: door and here's the desk, and people would just walk

575
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Speaker 6: by the desk.

576
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 7: So one day they came and the desk was here

577
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 7: and here's the door. So now you walked in and

578
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 7: met a receptives and there's chairs. You feel me, I

579
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 7: constantly do, constantly doing shit like this. I didn't ask anybody.

580
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 7: They would just come in and some new shit that

581
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 7: happened to office play was better.

582
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, So in.

583
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Speaker 7: This now I begin.

584
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 6: Then I meet Hype and I'm always drawing and I'm

585
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 6: always doing and they see my drawings and then eventually

586
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 6: I'm getting frustrated. I'm paying you know, on PA on sets,

587
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 6: and then they say we want no more interns. Because

588
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 6: at the same time, if I was with Hype, until

589
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 6: two three o'clock in the morning working on something. I'm

590
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 6: not showing up.

591
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, how how was that first interaction when you when

592
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 4: you finally met him, like you had been trying to

593
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 4: get him?

594
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: I think because people might not know who Hype william is,

595
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 3: because we got a lot of young people that listen

596
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 3: to that true.

597
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: Very true. This generation is different.

598
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: Williams is, like I guess you could call him the

599
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 3: godfather of the million dollar budget videos, like the Once

600
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 3: upon a Time music video. Music video is still important,

601
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 3: but music videos but.

602
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: Very every very every important everything.

603
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 3: In the in the nineties and the early two thousands,

604
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 3: and Hype Williams was he was it. He was. He

605
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: was the go to guy for any of those bad

606
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 3: boy videos, not jay Z first one that.

607
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 6: The average hip hop person said, there's a director.

608
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 7: You know the directors name.

609
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, director, like the Spike Lee of music videos.

610
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Like when you saw a Spike Lee joint,

611
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 4: you knew it it was Spike Lee. When you saw

612
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 4: Hype Williams Villia video, you knew it was it because

613
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 4: it looked different and it looked like nothing else. It

614
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 4: was high production, it was it was a movie.

615
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: I remember, I think it was a movie.

616
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 7: It was artistic, it was beautiful, but it's still true

617
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 7: to the culture.

618
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: I think. I think it was nas or Diddy, one

619
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: of these guys, and they was like, you know, a hype.

620
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 3: He he would do a video on the projects and

621
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: make you think it was rome. Like the way he

622
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 3: put it together. It just looked so intriguing to people,

623
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 3: and it was just like amazing, like the cinepography of it.

624
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 3: It was just like, Yo, this is the most amazing

625
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: place in the world and they could be like the gutter.

626
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

627
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 4: He I feel like he's the reason they made that

628
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 4: that they used to have that show.

629
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: Making a video on MTV.

630
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 4: It was like because you had to see the behind

631
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 4: the scenes of what he was actually doing to put

632
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 4: out these masterpieces.

633
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 7: Yeah, and again he's a cool dude from Queens and

634
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 7: he was really what hip hop.

635
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 6: He really was the culture it all came together is

636
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 6: real art now we get it with the Kanye's.

637
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 7: And the Virgil is like artists, you know what I mean. Yeah,

638
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 7: and he was that. He's in that zone.

639
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 6: So you know, well he came in with days like,

640
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 6: oh it's get built kid, You're a genius. So I

641
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 6: know everyone wants is they got the Hey kid, you're

642
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 6: a genius, but a lot of us don't.

643
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 7: So building building relationship builds. Finally say start drawing storyboards.

644
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 7: So now I'm not interuring anymore. I'm drawing storyboards. Now

645
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 7: I'm getting paid. Now I can buy a little watch,

646
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 7: Now I can buy a little clothes. You know what

647
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 7: I'm saying. I was able to leave my aunt's house.

648
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 7: I got an apartment now and well, you know, sharing

649
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 7: a room.

650
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 3: So the storyboard is like the treatment for the video.

651
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 7: No, the storyboards is drawing it out. It's part of

652
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 7: the sales pitch and what we're gonna shoot.

653
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: Okay, so that goes, That goes helps it helps people

654
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: understand what.

655
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 7: It's gonna be.

656
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 4: That goes back to your I'm thinking like pre previous

657
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 4: knowledge now, like when you were doing comic books.

658
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: It's kind of prepared you for this moment completely.

659
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 6: It all comes together, got right, And this is before

660
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 6: Like you could have just get on the computer and

661
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 6: whip up a treatment the way you get a pitch

662
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 6: deck in a second.

663
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 7: To do something like a normal pitch deck that you

664
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 7: get on the thing and get a PDF, you'd have

665
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 7: to print it out.

666
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 6: You have to cost hundreds of dollars because commercials did that.

667
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 6: When you did in those days, when you did a

668
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 6: commercial treatment, you did the thing and then you printed

669
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 6: it and sent it to the client. It will cost

670
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 6: hundreds of dollars to do these things. So and that's

671
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 6: just the print that the writer.

672
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 7: Is very expensive.

673
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 6: But anyways, so back then the treatment was just a

674
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 6: written document.

675
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 7: You got a typed out page and imagine it.

676
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 3: So the treatment for people that might not know the treatment,

677
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 3: correct me if I'm wrong, It is like it is

678
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 3: the step by step of what actually happens. Like I

679
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 3: wake up, I brush my teeth, I go to It's

680
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: like it's like you're writing out play by play what's

681
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: gonna visually be seen.

682
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 7: It's video.

683
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: It's the script. I feel like the script.

684
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a script, but not really.

685
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: Wroteatment.

686
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 7: You're making a client understand what the video I want

687
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 7: to make for you? Is this right? And whichever way

688
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 7: you explain.

689
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 6: So in those days, now a treatment has pictures and

690
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 6: all this ship with the technology.

691
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 7: Back then you faxed them printed out. That was what

692
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 7: you got. You got a paper with.

693
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 6: Words on it in a fast mate.

694
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 7: And then I came on.

695
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 6: So now you got a storyboard, you got pictures, someone

696
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 6: drew pictures.

697
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 7: Oh, this is what it's gonna bean.

698
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 6: And then as then you sometimes need the storyboards to

699
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 6: explain to the crew, this is what we're doing, this

700
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 6: is what happens there. You know what I mean, big production,

701
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 6: big movies, they storyboard out action scenes.

702
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 7: It's like, this is just how a production warns. So

703
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 7: I'm a storyboard artist, right, and I'm always with him.

704
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 6: Now, I'm with him going you know, I'm with him

705
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 6: when he's working on stuff, when he's colored correct, I'm

706
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 6: just with him, soaking up knowledge, soaking up knowledge, cerking

707
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 6: up knowledge. But when I used to run packages, I

708
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 6: used to run we used to work a lot with

709
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 6: Deaf Jam, used to I used to run packages of

710
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 6: the deaf Jam, Rockefeller and bad Boy.

711
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 7: All the time. So there's people who know me as

712
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 7: got to run the package.

713
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 6: And just but that beauty of the music industries that

714
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 6: the interns become, the soon to become that if you don't.

715
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 7: Want to get paid, you don't want to. If you

716
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 7: are like I don't get paid, I'm not coming in.

717
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 7: I mean, you get everyone's on a different path.

718
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 6: But in those days, the way you got him was saying,

719
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 6: I'm working for free.

720
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 7: And now you're in and they see that you're good,

721
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 7: and then up you go, up, you go up.

722
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 6: You so again, a whole bunch of my friends that

723
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 6: are still in the game, that are still working in

724
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 6: the music video on the label side, do the hiring

725
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 6: of the directors were interns together?

726
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

727
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 4: That's that's that's that's the story, Puffy Andre Herrell, that's

728
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 4: the story. Uh we just I spoke to Charry Bryant,

729
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 4: same thing. She was an intern at Rockefeller. Yeah, they interned,

730
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 4: and now she's the head of co head of rock Nation.

731
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 4: And like you said, Kenny Burns intern like people don't

732
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 4: even they don't really understand internships and the value of

733
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 4: them and the value of, like you said, being able

734
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 4: to work for free and then grind your way all

735
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 4: the way up. It's just a thing. It's like a

736
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 4: lost talent at this point.

737
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 7: It is. In the films side.

738
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 6: I get asked a lot still, but the way I

739
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 6: get asked is is what I feel is lacking.

740
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 7: But either way, so now, uh running backages of doing

741
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 7: storyboards and and over at Death Jam, they.

742
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: Have uh mega Cormega Cormega.

743
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was coming back to Toronto videos.

744
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's another key.

745
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 7: I've come back to Toronto and again back to your friends.

746
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 7: People know you one way, so they knew me as

747
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 7: a guy who drew and did poetry. And I come

748
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 7: back like, hey, I'm directing now I'm working with hypelans.

749
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: Like sounds good.

750
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 7: This is the other guy's high.

751
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 6: And I was really again thinking, in my younger mind,

752
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 6: you know me, you should because people know you, don't

753
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 6: mean they're gonna do shift you because they're your friends,

754
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 6: don't mean they're gonna do shit. Ain't no, ain't no

755
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 6: reason for no one to shifting. You know what I'm saying,

756
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 6: to get bitter and angry and how could they kid?

757
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 6: And again, the way the universe works, if I had

758
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 6: done work with them, I would have felt beholden to

759
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 6: them because my old loyalty thing right would have what.

760
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,239
Speaker 7: I was expecting for them.

761
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 6: I would have done you know what I mean, Hey,

762
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 6: I know you Let me help you save all that,

763
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 6: save all that.

764
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 7: So no one in my hometown wants to give me

765
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 7: a shot. Cool. I don't owe nobody nothing either, and

766
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 7: no one can say shift to me. So, uh, finally

767
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 7: someone gives me a break. I code at something with

768
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 7: a guy and I make my first video.

769
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 6: And for my first video, I go and talk to

770
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 6: a couple of street men trying to do the management

771
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 6: team and they go and uh, you know, I gassed

772
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 6: them up and we do another. They do every one

773
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 6: of their videos.

774
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 7: So I got two videos. Showed those two videos that

775
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 7: I did in Toronto.

776
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 6: To Steve Carr, who was one of the directors at

777
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 6: Big Dog Films. He makes a call on my behalf,

778
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 6: this is what you want to happen, right. He makes

779
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 6: a call over a big label says, this kid's really talented.

780
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 7: She can't join. He gives me.

781
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 6: So I get the Tracy Lee Buster Rhymes pired MC

782
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 6: video This remixed song so way to Court?

783
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: Where did Cormega come into play?

784
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 7: This comes later?

785
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: Okay, I got it back up with this.

786
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 7: So I do this video.

787
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 6: Mark Pitts is for by Storm Records again. Just saw

788
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 6: him on the side of Usher.

789
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 4: Everyone's big manager, usher manager.

790
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 6: Usher managers, not that and not that everyone you need

791
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 6: is gonna be around, but a hell a lot of

792
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 6: people you needed to be around a lot of me.

793
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 6: So Mark Pitts gives me this shot, they believe, and

794
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 6: I shoot this video. It's a white background video, and

795
00:33:58,920 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 6: then I sucked it off.

796
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 8: It's good enough to be like a video on TV

797
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 8: like no one, but it wasn't great one.

798
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 7: No one watched that video was like who did this?

799
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 7: And I was devastated. After I did it, I went

800
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 7: home devastated. I fucked it up.

801
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 6: I know I did all this and I'm gonna be sucky.

802
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be shitting whatever.

803
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 7: And I was able to call Hype and Alan Ferguson,

804
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 7: and Alan Ferguson.

805
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 3: Was a DP.

806
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 7: He married Slag and Hype is Hype and Hype Hype

807
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 7: gave me a big pep talk. Adam gave me a.

808
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 6: Lot of technical stuff, which was helpful, but Hype gave

809
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 6: me the pep talk that that feeling that you suck

810
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 6: you gotta fight.

811
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 7: That feeling that you're not good enough. You need to

812
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 7: fight that right, and then you know again.

813
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 6: The philosophy of music music video it needs to be

814
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 6: about something. I didn't quite understand that at the time,

815
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 6: but he needs to be about something, okay, And then

816
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 6: from that I go to the bookstore and start because

817
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 6: before I was hanging with hype and wasn't really studying,

818
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 6: kind of like what I said about the editor when

819
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 6: I wasn't prepared.

820
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 7: And then the next time I said, okay, now I

821
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 7: see the mistake. Let me go get it right. So

822
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 7: I looked at it said okay, standing beside hype is

823
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 7: not This is helpful, but that's not learning. And you know,

824
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 7: and you have that as a director, A bunch of

825
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 7: your friends are like, they came and they see you

826
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 7: doing it. They're like, I could this looks like you said, no, motherfucker,

827
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 7: you can't. But what they say that you're paying for

828
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 7: my you're paying for the ten thousand hours. You're not

829
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 7: paying for my time.

830
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 3: You're paying for the time took this like this, you

831
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 3: know to them, you know that the same yeah, yeah,

832
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: ten thousand hours.

833
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 7: Yeah. So I had not studied.

834
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 6: So in this suppressed hey, I go to the bookstore

835
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 6: and buy books about filmmaking like this, I've got everything,

836
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 6: hair make, I buy everything everything. Because the beauty of

837
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 6: growing up or group, yeah, growing up as a director

838
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 6: around Hype is that he knew every department.

839
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 7: So to me, that's what a director meant. You know

840
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 7: every department. Hype.

841
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 6: We walk in and talk to the makeup and then

842
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 6: he talked to the hair and have detailed conversations with them,

843
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 6: then walk over here and talk to the art department,

844
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 6: and then talk to the VP. In every single department.

845
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 6: He's having intricate, knowledgeable conversations.

846
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 7: About their department.

847
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 6: So I said, okay, that's what I need to do.

848
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 6: So I got a book on hair and makeup. I

849
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 6: got a books on like I got all these books

850
00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 6: and I start.

851
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 7: Reading it and reading it. You're reading it, and then

852
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 7: Cormega now is going to go do this little back.

853
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 7: Then you pay some money for a promo thing. So like, hey,

854
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 7: Cormega wants to do this promo thing. We don't got

855
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 7: a lot of money. X you want to do it?

856
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 6: Somehow I get it because again, I have relationship a

857
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 6: death cham. I've been running packages and I directed a

858
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 6: few things and say, okay, the pennies that they got,

859
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 6: but I got this shot to shoot this thing for Cormega.

860
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 7: And his idea was.

861
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 6: Kind of whatever with the relationships, but we're gonna make

862
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 6: a scene from where visually I was gonna make it

863
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 6: is he wanted to do this interrogation scene from Scarface.

864
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 7: I wanted to look like the interrogation screen scene from Clockers.

865
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 3: If you remember that, that's one of the best movies.

866
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 2: That's one of his favorite movies time when.

867
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 7: It interrogated, everyone's kind of glowing group, right glowing. Yeah,

868
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 7: Malik say E shot that, and again Hype worked with Elik,

869
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 7: so I have this relationship. I call him Aleak and said,

870
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 7: how did you do that? And he gave me some point.

871
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,959
Speaker 7: So now I got technical knowledge. We got their scene.

872
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 6: I'm gonna shoot the Cormega scene. And the lesson is

873
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 6: you give thro the clive, give the client what they

874
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 6: asked for, but make it new.

875
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 7: So I made the mine. So I shoot that scene.

876
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 6: But I also did, all right, give me half a record,

877
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 6: and I'm gonna shoot. I'm gonna shoot a little music video.

878
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 6: So I got I shoot his commercial. But then I

879
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 6: shoot a little music video and I'm jel it and

880
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 6: and I'm now as I'm doing it, I remember I

881
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 6: looked at it like, well, scrim that light I stopped.

882
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 6: I go, oh fuck, I said that super technical thing.

883
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 6: And I'm right that all that reading had seeped into

884
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 6: my knowledge. A scrim for filmmakers, a scrim is a

885
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 6: is a disc that so you have a light, a

886
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Speaker 6: scrim goes in front of it to knock the light down,

887
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Speaker 6: basically a dimmer. But don't have you know what I'm saying, certainly,

888
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Speaker 6: so it's a technical film. Shit scrim that light and

889
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Speaker 6: oh fuck, and had seeped in.

890
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 7: I'd finally understood it, and that then I finally made

891
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 7: something I liked. I made something good. I had my knowledge.

892
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 7: I was on my way.

893
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 6: The preparing, the studying, the opportunity, all the things. Take

894
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 6: something that's given to me, you can get something that

895
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 6: I can work with. These were the beginning steps of

896
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Speaker 6: me really knowing and learning. So it's not just enough

897
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Speaker 6: to be around when you get hired.

898
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 7: You got to do good work. You got to constantly

899
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 7: working to improve. And that those were that was the

900
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 7: knowledge based.

901
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 6: So from there I was constantly pulling references, studying this,

902
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 6: studying that, studying other directors.

903
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 7: So just there's a constant watch the people. You want

904
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 7: to achieve a level of success as or whatever it is,

905
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 7: it's your marker, like that person. I want to get

906
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 7: to that level and working the rech that level.

907
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: Yeah you said you said that. I've heard you say

908
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: this before.

909
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 4: Like a good director can see when a director has

910
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 4: not made a good product right that there are certain

911
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 4: things that a good director will know, uh visually when

912
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 4: they look at at the product. What are some of

913
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 4: those things that you see right away? It's like, you

914
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: know what, they didn't take time to do this, or

915
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 4: it's lacking this. What are some of those things I

916
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 4: can tell.

917
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 6: I can tell how intelligent director is by give me

918
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 6: three music videos.

919
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 7: I don know if you're intelligent, I don't know if

920
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 7: you can tell a story. I can tell your visual

921
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 7: uh visual talent. A lot of stuff I can tell

922
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 7: just on the way they did the Rectorence.

923
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 3: So as far as on the business side, so the budget, right,

924
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 3: this is something I was always interested especially I don't

925
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: know what the budgets are now, but that's a question.

926
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 3: But before that, so when it was million dollar, this

927
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: is nothing that young people might not know. There used

928
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: to be like a million dollar movie videos and they

929
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: was like spinning like that was like the I think

930
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: hype had like the first million dollar was it with

931
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: did he on the on the hypnotize? Was that hypnotized?

932
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 2: That was a million I think buster rhymes.

933
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 3: Rhymes yeah, But did he had the million dollar joint

934
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: hypnotize and all that. So where do budgets come from.

935
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 3: Does that come out of the artist's pocket or are

936
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: the label fronting net definitely get into the recoup thing.

937
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 6: But infamouspectively they sold CDs, so you know it's it's

938
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 6: it's kind of fucked up record companies. They invest in you,

939
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 6: but they want on them. Well it is obvious they

940
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 6: invest but they want the money back. They want their

941
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 6: money back on the investment. But you are the investment,

942
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 6: so you don't see money till they get their money back.

943
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 6: But of course, the way these big corporations.

944
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 7: Do accounting is they never make money back. Like Star

945
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 7: Wars by their account has never made money. Star Wars

946
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 7: that's never made money, right, you know what I'm saying.

947
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 7: You never get No, you don't get no matter how

948
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 7: many records you sell, you just never psen. But you

949
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 7: have to recoup it.

950
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 6: So those million dollar budgets, that's your money essentially, right.

951
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 6: I mean, like if your ship flops, they're not going

952
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 6: to chase you down, like take your house at home,

953
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, Like make you work for

954
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 6: the rest they take. They bite the bullet if it

955
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 6: doesn't work out. But if shit works.

956
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 7: Out, they want their money back.

957
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

958
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 4: So at this time are you are you feeling pressure

959
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 4: to make sure that this product takes off.

960
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: Or you just like, you know what, I'm gonna do

961
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: my best work.

962
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, the pressure is in, like I got to show

963
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 6: up for them, the pressures that I got to do

964
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 6: good work for me because I'm competing as other directors.

965
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 7: So directors are already in their own competition, you know

966
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 7: what I mean.

967
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 6: So in their like now there's Hike Williams, Paul Hunter,

968
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 6: Chris Robinson, Liberal X, Benny Boom, Eric White, Dave Myers,

969
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.

970
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 2: Forgot that.

971
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 6: See at the bottom of those screens fat cats, and

972
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 6: there's tons of people. So you were all in those

973
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 6: battles together and everyone kind of had like, you know,

974
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 6: me and Chris Robinson was that. That was the back

975
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 6: and forth, hi wayns All Hunter, that was.

976
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 7: The back and fort. You know, everyone had their their back.

977
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 6: And forth that they did, and that's the competition. Because look, man,

978
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 6: if you in those days, if you did a shitty

979
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 6: video for a hit record, you could live off that.

980
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 6: You're gonna get a bunch more work. But eventually people

981
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 6: are gonna see that your videos all.

982
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 7: Suck and you're gonna die off. The key is to

983
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 7: do good work, even for bad songs.

984
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 6: And then when you get a good song and you

985
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 6: do good work, that boom hit song dope video off.

986
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 6: So record you got it bad with a massive video off.

987
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this because it's interesting as

988
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 3: far as like making the comparison between music and movies.

989
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: So the all right, so you hype Williams, you guys

990
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 3: at you know, you have your own company, right, So

991
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: if somebody wants to commission you did he wants to

992
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 3: commission you for a video, right, and it's a million

993
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: dollar budget back, then how does that work? They give

994
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: you a million dollars and then you have to break

995
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 3: it down and actually pay item by item and do

996
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 3: it or so you're okay.

997
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 7: So the way it works is king again, listen to

998
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 7: the average way. So you guys have a.

999
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 6: Record together and you're signed to a record label and

1000
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 6: they're gonna do a big, big record. We're gonna pay

1001
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 6: a million dollars for a million dollars, they probably know

1002
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 6: who they're want.

1003
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 7: But let's say they're bidding it when you did the job.

1004
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 7: So let's say they go to the top three year.

1005
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 7: They take your record and they send it to the

1006
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 7: top three directors in the game.

1007
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 6: We got a million dollars the video, y'all right on it.

1008
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 6: So the top three directors all.

1009
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 7: Write a treatment.

1010
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 6: Oh, you're gonna wake up in the morning, You're gonna

1011
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 6: brush your teeth.

1012
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 7: And then there's like two girls that come in.

1013
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, whatever, don't forget the fireworks, Yeah.

1014
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 7: Fireworks and girls the cars.

1015
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 6: So three treatments you get, and you're gonna read those

1016
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 6: treatments and you say, who's the director.

1017
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 7: Okay, Hype Williams and he wants to do this, Uh,

1018
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 7: Paul Hunter, he wants to do that. So and so.

1019
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 6: So there's these things come in and you have to

1020
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 6: decide between the level.

1021
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 7: Of director and their idea is their idea or so?

1022
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 7: But either way, you finally pick one person, Okay, we

1023
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 7: want to do this treatment.

1024
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 6: That treatment has now become a contract. You said, I'm

1025
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 6: getting this, I'm gonna wake up in the morning, and

1026
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 6: then the girls and the thing, and then the ferrari

1027
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 6: and the but.

1028
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 7: That's ilegally minded, okay, and then you get your contract.

1029
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 7: In the contract. Even in the contract says, we own up.

1030
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 7: This is a work for hire. Don't ask us for

1031
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 7: money later, we own this, We own.

1032
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 6: This if they basically it says, and they're like if

1033
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 6: we discover any galaxy in the universe and they like

1034
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 6: hip hop, don't ask this for money. Literally, that's the music.

1035
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 6: That's the music, music industry contract.

1036
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 7: There's no situation which you get fucked, the more money whatever,

1037
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 7: so you and then they give you like if you

1038
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 7: have the money, you do it.

1039
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 6: You get another bid, you finish it, and then they

1040
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 6: give your other bid, and that's how it goes. That

1041
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 6: is how a music video gets made.

1042
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: So now, all right, so we talked about the era

1043
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 3: of the million dollar videos. But I'm interested to notice

1044
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 3: because it's like back then, I guess the goal was

1045
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Speaker 3: to be on BT on TRL one O six in

1046
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Speaker 3: part and now you know, you know, I hate to

1047
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,080
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1048
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Speaker 3: it's like now you just the goal is to get

1101
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 3: one hundred million views of fifty million views on YouTube.

1102
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: And especially when he first came out, I don't know

1103
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: what the wreckt that he was using, but I'm assuming

1104
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 3: it was just a neighborhood the direct the Bobby schmurder

1105
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: like cel phone, right, So I'm assuming that that cut

1106
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: the budget for videos drastically because now you can make

1107
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 3: a video on your iPhone. It might not be the

1108
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 3: same quality obviously. So my first question is what's the

1109
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 3: top budget now that a record label would pay. And

1110
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: then the second question is what is the goal now

1111
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: for it? Has it switched to YouTube, has it switched

1112
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: to getting clicks on social media? Like how has the

1113
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 3: times changed the business of actually producing videos?

1114
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 6: I mean, if you now when you make a video,

1115
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 6: you making it goes out. Look at the end of

1116
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 6: the day, Yeah, Drake could make a video.

1117
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 7: With his cell phone. But Drake ain't going to make

1118
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 7: a video with your cell phone. Drake wants to trailer.

1119
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 7: Drake won strength. He wants the people. If you want

1120
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 7: to hire me for these people. So this is my life.

1121
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 7: So yeah, I don't do cell phone videos. Feel me.

1122
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 7: When I pulled up, I'm doing a production.

1123
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 6: There's trailers, and there's trucks, and there's lights, and there's unions,

1124
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 6: and there's food, and there's rules, and.

1125
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 7: It's gonna cost you hundreds and thousands of dollars.

1126
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 6: Right terror Swift wants a trailer and her makeup artist

1127
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 6: and her stylist and raver.

1128
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 7: They're not doing it with a cell phone. She wants

1129
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 7: to look great. She wants to the fucking guy who

1130
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 7: just shot the lorial commercial.

1131
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 6: That's the DP she wants to shoot her video. Well,

1132
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 6: guess what, he don't shoot on cell phones, you know

1133
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. So as much as the technology is

1134
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 6: great that you can go and do something great and

1135
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 6: creative with you and your friends, but at the end

1136
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 6: of the day, the reality is the talent. You know,

1137
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 6: the cream rises to the top, and as it keeps

1138
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 6: on rising, so do the prices.

1139
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 7: Right, So if you want that work that looks great.

1140
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 7: Maybe you got lucky in your homeway. Around the way

1141
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 7: is the next, you know, meet next type, the next

1142
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 7: he's gonna he's you You.

1143
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 6: It just so happens your homeboy has a career in

1144
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 6: filmmaking and he's super talented, gives you something great, that's amazing.

1145
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 7: But that's a rare I've seen a lot of these videos,

1146
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 7: you know.

1147
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, gum cameras.

1148
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 4: Speaking speaking of the of the Drake video at the

1149
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 4: end of Life is good, there's like a play.

1150
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 7: On on on on.

1151
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 2: You know, he's directing it and you're kind of working.

1152
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 4: For him, and that's something that that you kind of stresses, well,

1153
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 4: the difference between working for the artists and working with

1154
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 4: the artist.

1155
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: You won't you want to talk about that because I

1156
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: know you highlight that a lot.

1157
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, man, it's it's a bit of semantics, but

1158
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 6: it's good to understand.

1159
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're working with one another, but in reality, you

1160
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 7: need to know who you're working for and who you're

1161
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 7: working with it.

1162
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Drake is working with Drake is working with me.

1163
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 6: I'm working for Drake, I'm making his product. I'm getting

1164
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 6: after I'm done. He takes it and goes with it,

1165
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.

1166
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 7: And yeah, in a proper work, it's a banter. We

1167
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 7: go back and forth, and it is. It is a

1168
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 7: collaborative thing.

1169
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 6: Well, there are people who do forget in these creative

1170
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 6: things that get so caught up and.

1171
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 7: Making it theirs.

1172
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 6: They forget who hired, they forget who they're working for. Yes,

1173
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 6: we're collaborating, but my art director isn't working with me.

1174
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 7: He's collaborating with me, but he's working for me.

1175
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 3: So just to double back. So all right, So even

1176
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 3: now today, mid six figures is still a price target

1177
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 3: that major artists would pay for a music video still

1178
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: to this day, like it hasn't dropped to the point

1179
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 3: where it's like ten thousand dollars fifteen, Like Drake is

1180
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 3: still gonna paying his label. Whoever, Look what these videos do.

1181
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 7: Look, life is good. That video sing for a moment?

1182
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 7: What would that song?

1183
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 6: What would have happened if that record was just it

1184
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 6: was just like your video cars and girls and stuff.

1185
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 6: You feel me as opposed to just a little bit

1186
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 6: of a just a little bit of fun. Because this

1187
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 6: is entertainment, It is the entertainment business.

1188
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 7: You got you and your girls in the cars. Yeah,

1189
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 7: you're living in your fantasy, but are you entertaining me?

1190
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 7: Are you putting work in.

1191
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 6: It's like going to a show and the guys out

1192
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 6: there doing is fucking performing, and you're like, this guy

1193
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 6: ain't working, He's just kind of going through the motions

1194
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 6: as opposed to someone who's they're working, and then you're like, fuck,

1195
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 6: puts on a show. Entertaining the job is entertained. So yeah,

1196
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 6: no matter what, when you spend you better be.

1197
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 7: Trying to entertain. That's the key, key, key. But at

1198
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 7: some point, entertaining people cost fucking money. So I got

1199
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 7: an idea. I'm in a garbage truck and then I

1200
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 7: work in a fast food place and them all right,

1201
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 7: well we got a vacation. I gotta rent that. If

1202
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 7: you want that big idea, you gotta pay the big money.

1203
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 7: That's just the way it is. And there's certain artists.

1204
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 6: That they when you're generating undred millions of news two

1205
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 6: hundred million, five hundred million views, you can afford it.

1206
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 6: And it's a good investment because you know what I'm saying,

1207
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 6: that was a great investment on the future's part. There's

1208
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 6: a great investment on this part.

1209
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 7: To make a video that big. So, like I said, bro,

1210
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,479
Speaker 7: it's there's, there's, there's always gonna be the top level.

1211
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 7: And at the top level again, Taylor Swift ain't doing

1212
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 7: your cell phone video some kid around the way.

1213
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this because because it's also

1214
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 3: the climate has changed to where you know, it's a

1215
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 3: lot of independent artists, probably way more independent artists now

1216
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 3: than there were years ago in the nineties or two thousands.

1217
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 3: So for an independent from the artists standpoint right, independent

1218
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 3: artists not signed to a label. I'm trying to get

1219
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 3: my buzz out there. What advice would you get? They

1220
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 3: don't have a budget to pay you or you know,

1221
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 3: somebody of your caliber, but they still want to you know,

1222
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 3: they have good, good quality music and they want to

1223
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 3: put some visuals to it. Would you reckon the most.

1224
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 6: Talent, find the most talented friend, or find the most

1225
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 6: talented person that can work in your budget. Look at

1226
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 6: the work and say what I want you know, look

1227
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 6: at look at look at their work and say whatever

1228
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 6: I want my work to look at this way, we

1229
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 6: do the best you can with the money you got

1230
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 6: and entertain The key has got to be that are

1231
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 6: you entertained is your video you're trying to entertain?

1232
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 7: Are you putting your absolute most effort into entertain with

1233
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 7: them money that you got because these videos mean something

1234
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 7: back in back in the day, Madonna, Lenny Kravitz, Janet Jackson.

1235
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 7: There's a certain caliber director they work.

1236
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 6: With, a certain caliber, certain budget rings like it says something,

1237
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,479
Speaker 6: how you visually got it to the world.

1238
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 7: And then as you make more money, you.

1239
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 6: Should be investing into your advertising. It's not a mistake

1240
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 6: that the super Bowl.

1241
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 7: You know, technically they can.

1242
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 6: Do it with their cell phone, but the competition is entertainment.

1243
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 6: During the super Bowl, you better be bringing with your

1244
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 6: fucking commercial. Well, you better be bringing it with your

1245
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 6: fucking video.

1246
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 7: You're in the.

1247
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 6: Fucking you're show business. You're in the entertainment industry. That

1248
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 6: doesn't stop.

1249
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 7: There isn't you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you got

1250
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 7: to put this effort in and like I.

1251
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 6: Said, when you get when you can invest more money.

1252
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 6: And it makes sense because I have people come to

1253
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 6: you know, you know I can handle that one hundred, bro,

1254
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 6: you know I mean two hundred I got that.

1255
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, But here's the thing, bro, auture doesn't reach.

1256
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 6: In his pocket and hand me too. Hundre thousand dollars

1257
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 6: a record company said, I can make money with Usher.

1258
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 6: I'm putting up the two hundred for the back end.

1259
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 7: How it comes back, you know what I'm saying.

1260
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, So there's got to make sense, Like it's not,

1261
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 6: because what would happen a lot. There's almost like this

1262
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 6: secret industry of rich kids making music videos.

1263
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, every now and then.

1264
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, every now and then, just

1265
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 6: some kid's dad is a billionaire and he was so

1266
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 6: he's goes.

1267
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 7: And so I did want this kid.

1268
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 6: Was like this kid's manager, This kid spent on this video,

1269
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 6: spent more than Rick Ross had on one of his videos.

1270
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 7: That I work.

1271
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 11: You feel what I'm saying, Yeah, like big money, a

1272
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 11: big proper production with the trucks and the lights and

1273
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 11: the profession, like it's a production, and the manager is

1274
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 11: Jlo's manager, and like the.

1275
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 6: Dad had paid all these big dang equals, so the

1276
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 6: best make.

1277
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 7: The best everything.

1278
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 6: But the key element in the middle was j Lo

1279
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 6: doesn't pay everyone to manage her. Jailo has fucking talent,

1280
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 6: and everyone comes in because they see the potential. Then

1281
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,479
Speaker 6: they invest and then they get it. Back, so people

1282
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 6: confuse the look for that. They Oh, well, I got

1283
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 6: the same manager and I got the same hair makeup,

1284
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 6: I got the same director, I got spending more money,

1285
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 6: I gotta be a hit.

1286
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 3: You know you don't got the talent the sauce and

1287
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 3: soul separately, SA sauce soul separately.

1288
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly.

1289
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 6: So if just now, let's say you you got some

1290
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 6: money in your pocket and you can afford a big

1291
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 6: video and a.

1292
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 7: Lot of artists.

1293
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 6: I see a lot of people pustling thinking if I

1294
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 6: spend big money, I'll get I'll get the same results

1295
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 6: because I spent the same money.

1296
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 7: And it's no.

1297
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 6: You might have the money, but the level of artist

1298
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 6: you are, you're amount of fans where you're trying to build,

1299
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 6: it might make sense for you to make a ten

1300
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 6: thousand dollars so phone video and do your best within.

1301
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 7: That money to make a great piece of entertainment. You

1302
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying. But just go spend one hundreds

1303
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 7: of thousands of dollars when you don't have when you

1304
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 7: don't have a fan base for that to make sense.

1305
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 4: The way up now, you got your start interning with hype,

1306
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 4: I'm wondering now are there people that have interned with

1307
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 4: you that are now out here just crushing it, like

1308
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 4: killing the game.

1309
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: As far as the video production, Karina Evans.

1310
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 6: Karina directed God's Plan, Koreina directed Nice for What. Koreata

1311
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 6: is directing episodes of TV shows.

1312
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 7: Now she's you know, she's a twenty three year old

1313
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 7: light skinned black girl. Right at the time that everyone

1314
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 7: was like, we need more women and more women of color.

1315
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 3: And then she did God's Plan video Video of the Year,

1316
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Speaker 3: God's Plan that was that was a tough thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Video of the Yeah, Nice for What was up

1318
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Speaker 2: there too?

1319
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 3: That was tough.

1320
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Speaker 6: The credits ont is director X presents a Kreina.

1321
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 7: Evans film that.

1322
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Speaker 2: Toronto Connections.

1323
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 3: That's tough. So let me ask you this be cuz

1324
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 3: talking about that and you would seem like making a

1325
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 3: four minute music video is a lot different than making

1326
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 3: a movie, right, So how what's the difference between the

1327
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 3: movie side of things? Because you've you've done you have

1328
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 3: movies on the ybel as well being a director for

1329
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 3: a movie as opposed to being a director for a

1330
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:16,479
Speaker 3: music video.

1331
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 7: The amount of days you shooting in this video one, two,

1332
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Speaker 7: maybe three days?

1333
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 6: You will be over thirty forty days, fifty maybe one hundred,

1334
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 6: depending on the type of movie, but on an average

1335
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 6: like thirty to.

1336
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 7: Forty days for a proper Hollywood production invest it.

1337
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Speaker 3: What's the politics though, because al right, so in like

1338
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 3: music video, it's like, Okay, Drake wants you reinn, especially

1339
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 3: now you got your name, they can kind of demand it.

1340
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 3: I would assume on the Hollywood side it's harder, especially

1341
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 3: for like New like if you're trying to be do

1342
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 3: the independent, trying to get funding, and it just seems

1343
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 3: like that from the outside it's more politics.

1344
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, but look, here's the thing that directings understand. The

1345
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 6: OSCAR for Best Picture goes to the producer of the movie,

1346
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, not the director.

1347
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 3: So what's the difference. What's what's the difference between the

1348
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 3: producer of the movie and director of the movie.

1349
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 7: The producers the one who puts the deal together. The

1350
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 7: producers the one who can hire, who hires.

1351
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 4: The producer can fire you, right, so the producer can

1352
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 4: fire the director. I felt like they think that was

1353
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 4: Star Wars, correct.

1354
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 7: No, George Lucas. George Lucas directed.

1355
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 2: The later the later ones.

1356
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 4: I think they try to have somebody else do it,

1357
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 4: or maybe somebody somebody else did it and the jj

1358
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 4: Abrams came back and took over.

1359
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 7: Are the producer prints it all together?

1360
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 3: So can you can? You can you kind of go

1361
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 3: over the hierarchy and and and and movies? Just like

1362
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 3: as a producer, it's the director, the casting director, Like,

1363
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 3: what's the different roles that are on the movie set?

1364
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 7: Well, they say, you have, let's say like super Fly,

1365
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 7: you have a studio, then you have a.

1366
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 6: Production company, and then you have the director. So Superfly

1367
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 6: the producer Joel Silver, he made the Matrix. Yeah, his

1368
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 6: company talks to my agent, we have this script for Superfly.

1369
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 6: My agent says, you should have director X look at it.

1370
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 7: I read their script.

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01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 6: I thought it was irresponsibly violent, and I told them

1372
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 6: I didn't want to do it.

1373
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 7: One it was irresponsibly violent.

1374
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 6: And two it wasn't Superfly in this version there the

1375
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 6: first version of Superfly that I was sent.

1376
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 7: He wasn't trying to get out.

1377
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 3: He was just like, all in, just keep trying.

1378
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 7: To get in deeper.

1379
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 2: I'm moving.

1380
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 6: So I'm like and then like irresponsibly by like they're

1381
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 6: having a shootout on Miami.

1382
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 7: Beach, and then like and then and not even I

1383
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 7: hit them.

1384
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 6: Like though, this is why black kids getting shootouts and

1385
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 6: shopping malls, because movies like this never.

1386
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 7: Have consequences, you know what I'm saying, Like they just have.

1387
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 6: A shootouts and shop They're just shooting out on ninety

1388
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 6: each and then never say like yo, lo.

1389
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Speaker 3: Not even that.

1390
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 6: I'm like, are there's no video cameras, there's no surveillance

1391
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 6: cameras in your.

1392
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 7: World, but there's no police.

1393
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Speaker 3: That's interesting that what Joe Sieguel knows, Joe Silver, Joe Silver, Yeah, Matrix.

1394
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 3: It's extremely interesting to me that why he wants to

1395
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 3: do a remake of Superfly because he loves black Boy, he.

1396
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Speaker 7: Loved those ter.

1397
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 3: Well.

1398
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 7: But so now okay, So then I find out what.

1399
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 6: What had happened was that the script they sent me

1400
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 6: wasn't actually Superfly, but they got the rights to superflyes,

1401
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 6: so they just put the name. And I'm like, I'm

1402
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 6: not I'm not one the level of isolence doing that.

1403
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 6: Two of this isn't Superfly.

1404
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 7: They called me back to.

1405
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 6: We want to make the movie you want to make.

1406
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 6: I said, all right, well we're making Superfly. So if

1407
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 6: you watch the old Superfly and my Superfly. It's Superflies.

1408
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 6: All the same characters are back. It's the same story.

1409
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 6: We move and twist some things around, but the things

1410
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 6: we move and twist around are still respectful of the original.

1411
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 6: I treat it like Hoods Shakespeare, right, because I got

1412
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 6: hired to remake Superfly.

1413
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 7: So I'm going to remake it right. And then what

1414
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 7: we did on the violence side is that we made

1415
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 7: it a little cartoon. You know, the bad guys were white,

1416
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 7: they have white guns. It's it's it's an action. It's

1417
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 7: a Joel Silver action, a Wick.

1418
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 6: It's fast and furious, and we deserve to have mindless,

1419
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 6: stupid movies. You feel what I'm saying, Like people, no

1420
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 6: one wants it John Wick, and it's like, oh my god,

1421
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 6: what what message is this sent to the youth and

1422
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 6: the Russian American community there, They's just then nigga can

1423
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 6: beat up everybody and bad guys are fucking bad and

1424
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 6: there's not you know what I'm saying, like, it's it's

1425
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 6: this imaginary world, well Superfly, Yeah, it's it's drugs in

1426
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 6: the same way, fast and furious does heists?

1427
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 7: You feel me? There's no there's no good advice for a.

1428
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 3: Drug dealer in Superfly, no underlining, no underlining.

1429
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 7: That's a good idea, nobody you got something right. Instead,

1430
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 7: things become so what what what? What Control was was

1431
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 7: a symbol. There are symbolic of flashy drug uples. You

1432
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying. You live in Cleveland and you

1433
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 7: ain't got a job, but you got a fucking braith

1434
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 7: wearing all the white all the time with you know

1435
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 7: what I'm saying. Like, and I remember there was like

1436
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 7: on Instagram, there was one page. I haven't seen him

1437
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 7: in a while, man, I guess what happened. They're like

1438
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 7: the coke Import Boys was the name of their crew,

1439
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 7: Like the Import Boys. I'm like, really pure sports cars.

1440
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 7: The Import Boys. I'm like, y'all, why don't you just drive.

1441
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 6: Yourself to jail? So that that was what still Control represented.

1442
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 6: But again he does come food, his hair is straight.

1443
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 6: I didn't want kids to look at Uba Fly and

1444
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 6: see their world that.

1445
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 7: Looks like my life. That looks like my world. And

1446
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 7: then the subconscious brain starts going, you know, like the

1447
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 7: wrong movie gets hot in the hood, the hood gets hot.

1448
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 3: Nice carface changed the whole change everything.

1449
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, remember when the wires poppably done me.

1450
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 6: It was inspirational to you know, like I didn't want

1451
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 6: to do that. So ours is a fun, dumb it's

1452
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 6: and it's again it's a Joel Silver action movie.

1453
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 7: Right. He doesn't have the social conscious that we have.

1454
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 7: You try here and there, but he must make a

1455
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 7: fun movie because he doesn't have a social conscious.

1456
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 6: When he made Predator, he wasn't putting the weight of

1457
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 6: the world and is back when he made The Matrix.

1458
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 7: He was people kicked them, kick people in the face

1459
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 7: and beat up the bad guys. And it's fun.

1460
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 6: Super Flies fun as fun. It's a great enjoyable movie.

1461
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 6: It's really a movie for teenage boys.

1462
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 7: Fifteen year old you seeing Superflies, do you imagine how

1463
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 7: your brain would fry?

1464
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: Girls, the car of the house and the like.

1465
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 7: It's a great time for that.

1466
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 11: And that's what that is.

1467
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 7: But again, the politics of that is, I'm directing a

1468
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 7: Joel Silver picture. Joel Silver isn't producing a director X film,

1469
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 7: if that makes sense, the same.

1470
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 2: Thing I'm working those right, you're working for him with me.

1471
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's important for people to understand because it's like

1472
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 3: a lot of times they don't understand anything like a director,

1473
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 3: especially a movie director. It's like they have full rights

1474
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 3: over everything, and and it's like they're they're they're like

1475
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 3: a quarterback. You got the chair, but you still got

1476
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 3: a coach that can kind of push and and and

1477
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 3: make different things. And so it's like you got a

1478
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 3: owner who can come down exactly. There's a whole situation. Yeah, definitely.

1479
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 4: I got a question as just as a fan of

1480
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 4: music and of movies as well, Like we always in

1481
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 4: our heads we hear a song and we're like, damn,

1482
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 4: like we kind of pictured the videos in our head

1483
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 4: of how it should go. Has there ever been a

1484
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 4: video or a song that you were like, damn, I

1485
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 4: wish I had the opportunity to make that.

1486
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 7: Some of them.

1487
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 6: More so, there's like songs that they didn't pick me

1488
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 6: and then they chose someone else and it was horrible.

1489
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 7: I'm like, man, I would have gave you the fucking

1490
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying.

1491
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,919
Speaker 3: So let let me ask you this some Toronto once again,

1492
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 3: shout out to Toronto. Toronto not only has a crazy

1493
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 3: music scene right now with Tory Lanez Drake, the Weekend,

1494
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 3: a bunch of people, and they just won the NBA

1495
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 3: Championship two years ago.

1496
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 2: Right last ye last year.

1497
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but a little known fact Toronto has a very

1498
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 3: big movie industry, very big movie industry in Toronto. What's

1499
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 3: the scene right now in Toronto is for well, obviously

1500
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 3: now COVID everything is shut down, but for up and

1501
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 3: coming entrepreneurs, speaking specifically for people in Toronto right now,

1502
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 3: are there opportunities in the music I mean, in the

1503
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 3: the movie industry or is that kind of who you

1504
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 3: know Hollywood type of vibe.

1505
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 7: It's how you get in. It's very.

1506
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 6: It's hard to get but you gotta find your way

1507
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 6: in the same way that and everyone gets in a

1508
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 6: different way. Maybe you know someone you gotta find your

1509
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 6: way in. This is the film industry.

1510
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 7: Beca's just not an offense you can walk up to.

1511
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 7: But you have the Internet. I found hype with a magazine.

1512
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 6: And mail in a phone, fucking determination, So you have

1513
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 6: the motherfucking Internet.

1514
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 7: If you can't figure this ship out, you're not gonna

1515
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 7: survive on set. That'd be very real with you. This

1516
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 7: is not hey, do it for me business. This is

1517
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 7: figure the ship that's figured it out. Because when I

1518
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 7: go to work, there is.

1519
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 6: Literally a stopwatch with thousands, tens of thousands of dollars

1520
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 6: connected to it.

1521
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 7: And if I go past this line, then it.

1522
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 6: Starts to stack and then double and then triple, and

1523
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 6: then there's pedal. There's there's police that come along and

1524
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 6: say move this truck and turn it like it is.

1525
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 6: High levels of responsibility in your and getting shipped done.

1526
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you.

1527
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 7: Can't figure out how to get it. You're not gonna

1528
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 7: know how to fucking maneuver ship.

1529
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 4: So you get a timeline on on on your production,

1530
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Speaker 4: and if you don't meet that timeline that there's fees.

1531
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 2: That you have to pay out of your pocket.

1532
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 7: The production does. But again, if the production has to pay.

1533
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 6: If if my call time is at eight and we

1534
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 6: said we're gonna be packed up and driving.

1535
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 7: Away at at eight am.

1536
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 6: We're gonna show up and at eight pm we're gonna

1537
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 6: be done. But then a PM comes around and not

1538
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 6: only am I not packing my trucks, I'm nowhere near

1539
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 6: the packing my trucks.

1540
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 7: I need two more hours. Those two more hours, well,

1541
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 7: we made a deal that now I'm going in the overtime.

1542
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 7: Overtime lasts as long. But what if I need more

1543
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 7: time pass to overtime, Well, now I can go to

1544
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 7: the double over time.

1545
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 6: I go to the triple overtime, then I get a

1546
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 6: meal penalty. Well, everyone's supposed to eat. Now I can't

1547
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 6: stop to eat because we're almost done. Okay, Well, if

1548
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 6: we're not gonna eat, I get a we get mealk.

1549
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 7: Now everyone gets more money. You feel what I'm saying.

1550
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 2: This is how this shit works.

1551
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 7: It's there's consequences.

1552
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 6: So again, if you can't figure out how to get

1553
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 6: into the film industry, you're not gonna survive in.

1554
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 7: The film industry. I don't know. I wish I could

1555
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 7: tell you there's some way, but you've got to figure

1556
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 7: this out. This part of getting in this is did

1557
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:59,719
Speaker 7: you ever in school in grade school to the incubate

1558
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 7: A and then you see like a chick?

1559
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and do you remember the.

1560
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 7: Teacher said, don't help them out of the A?

1561
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 6: Right, If a chick can't make it out of the A,

1562
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 6: it can't make it out of the A if you

1563
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 6: help it out.

1564
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 7: There's a double If it's not strong enough to get.

1565
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 6: It can't make it out, and it wouldn't be if

1566
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 6: you help it out and it wasn't strong enough to

1567
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 6: make it out, it wouldn't be strong enough to live

1568
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 6: and then if you help it out, if it was

1569
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 6: strong enough to make it out.

1570
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 7: But you helped it out, it didn't develop the strength

1571
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 7: it needed to live, and it's going to die as well.

1572
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 7: So there's no scenario and you helping that ship out

1573
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 7: of the a that is good for the chick.

1574
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 3: Now, I'm glad you said that because I sat down

1575
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 3: on Instagram a few weeks ago, like, sometimes you can

1576
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 3: actually hurt somebody by trying to help them. Sometimes it's

1577
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 3: like you you're you're enabling people and you're helping them,

1578
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 3: You're you're actually hurting them because they're just they're skipping

1579
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 3: vital steps that are needed, Like you're taking them from

1580
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 3: point A to point Z, but by doing that, they're skipping.

1581
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 4: That journey and once by themselves, they won't so long.

1582
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's the egg analogy, and it is the one

1583
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 7: to use. It's the one for these kids. If I

1584
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 7: help you, if you're good enough to do this, you

1585
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 7: can do it on your own.

1586
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 6: And if you're good enough to do this and I

1587
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 6: help you, I'm gonna hurt you. You're not that, like

1588
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 6: you said, those steps you're gonna miss.

1589
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 7: The egg analogy is the best analogy which is like

1590
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 7: I don't like saying too much about what I would do.

1591
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. I can tell you my

1592
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 7: story about what I did. Yeah, you figure it out now. Now.

1593
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:24,799
Speaker 3: I respect that. I respect that because it's like everybody's

1594
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 3: journey is different, and your journey that you that you

1595
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 3: did twenty years ago is completely different than somebody that's

1596
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 3: gonna do it right now in twenty twenty.

1597
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 6: You gotta get out of the egg on your own.

1598
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 6: Once you're out of the egg and I see you

1599
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 6: on set, well, now we're in a different conversation. You

1600
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 6: made it here, You're good enough to be here.

1601
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 7: You're in the league.

1602
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,640
Speaker 6: Now, now this a thing going on, you.

1603
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 7: Know what I mean. But till then that that they

1604
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 7: don't just handle you shit and you should have want it.

1605
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 7: It's not gonna I get the dream, bro. I was young.

1606
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 7: I remember when I was dropping a package off the

1607
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 7: puff and I had my tape.

1608
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 6: Hey can I show you something? And you look now,

1609
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 6: I at like this video opera and like this shut

1610
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 6: it on film, like I'd come up. It wasn't my

1611
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 6: old though, you know what I'm saying. It was some

1612
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 6: artsy fartsy cool kids shit and he looked at it.

1613
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 6: What's your name?

1614
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 7: Little x cool?

1615
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 6: Later on in the future we worked together and did

1616
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 6: kind of all I've done, all kinds of stuff apof

1617
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 6: and you know what I'm saying, he is a great

1618
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 6: inspirational guy.

1619
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 7: Again, relationships that you have twenty years later, you know

1620
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 7: what I'm saying, twenty years later, still know the epact.

1621
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 7: But he didn't see my work. He said, oh my god,

1622
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 7: oh the like And of course I wanted that.

1623
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 6: Who wouldn't want to be fucking treated like a genius.

1624
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 6: But it doesn't always happen that way. Sometimes the guy

1625
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 6: will and later you don't know how this is all

1626
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 6: gonna work out. But following your interests, following your passion,

1627
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 6: studying your craft, Altill now like Alton now, I still watch,

1628
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:57,919
Speaker 6: especially on YouTube.

1629
01:11:58,160 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 7: YouTube if you want it to be is.

1630
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 6: A film's will Now people do very in depth, especially

1631
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 6: now that ideal in story. For me, the new level

1632
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 6: is story structure, character development, that the things that make

1633
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 6: you want to watch.

1634
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 7: The show past the visual and I.

1635
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 6: Study it and I study it and I study it,

1636
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 6: and YouTube has tons of great people that have really

1637
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 6: insightful ideas about this.

1638
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 7: And then I also read the books about it, and

1639
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 7: I do my homework. And at this time in.

1640
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 6: Quarantine, I've been studying my craft. If I'm bored, I

1641
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 6: can watch these videos about my craft. So following your

1642
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 6: interest studying your craft, hustling.

1643
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 7: You know what I mean, and just and doing that work,

1644
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 7: so then you're ready when that moment happens, then you're ready.

1645
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 7: But uh, and that's that and that's that's information I

1646
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 7: can give you. As far as like how I would

1647
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 7: use Google, I'm not telling a like that, how I'm

1648
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 7: already ship if you ain't. If you had to figured

1649
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 7: out that, you should have your shit on your phone?

1650
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 3: So what what's what's the next? What's next for you?

1651
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:07,879
Speaker 3: As far as like, are you moving more into the movies? Netflix? Streaming?

1652
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 3: Like music? Where do you see your own personal look?

1653
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 6: I'm working on, you know, all the stuff I'm a

1654
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 6: director out of all the categories, right, So there's movie stuff,

1655
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 6: there's goals and conversations, and TV. There's goals and conversations,

1656
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 6: and music videos, goals and conversations.

1657
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 7: Commercial goals and conversations, right, so all this stuff is

1658
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 7: going on.

1659
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 6: What I'm really happy about is that on the commercial side,

1660
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 6: I did a short film for Pere Moss.

1661
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 2: You know wait, we went to this fashion show in Brooklyn.

1662
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 3: What's his name, Kirby, Kirby Kurbye shouts to Valencia. We

1663
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 3: went to his fashion show.

1664
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 2: Amazing fashion showk Yeah, amazing.

1665
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 6: So I wrote and directed a short film for him.

1666
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 6: Technically it's a fashion film, and here we go. This

1667
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,719
Speaker 6: was a low budget project. This was a low budget project. Okay,

1668
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 6: we had nowhere near the kind of money. But here's

1669
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 6: the entertained. Here was the passion, the studying of story structure,

1670
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:08,679
Speaker 6: the Kirby and I really working together, working together.

1671
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, technically I'm still working for him though. The money

1672
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 7: is not the thing that makes it. It's his thing,

1673
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 7: you feel me.

1674
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, But we're collaborating doing this thing together and it's

1675
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 6: and that was really one of the best client uh director.

1676
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 6: That experience was really the people working together to make

1677
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 6: something better. Always no one gets that's mine. And now

1678
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 6: I get to just like to get people that want

1679
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 6: to force their decision as opposed to going with the

1680
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 6: best decision do.

1681
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 4: I just saw him with director of credits. He just

1682
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 4: did Wallet's new video.

1683
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 3: So we made this, We make this thing.

1684
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 7: I look, it's not it's called Seven Mothers. You could

1685
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:51,759
Speaker 7: check out it's also on my page.

1686
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 6: But Pierre Ma's Seven Mothers and people cry when they

1687
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 6: watched this thing all the time, constantly. Right, It's a

1688
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 6: story about Kirby, his mother dad when he was seven

1689
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 6: and these well seven or eight, but then these seven

1690
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 6: women raised him.

1691
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 7: And it's a story about family and but based in

1692
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 7: black culture and the church. And I had something I

1693
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 7: wanted to say.

1694
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 6: It's something I show students because the story structure, it

1695
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 6: is textbook story structure.

1696
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 7: Like I'm saying, so all these things, and we made

1697
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 7: the very low budget thing.

1698
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 6: And then when award season comes because it commercial is

1699
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 6: big on awards, awards a big part of commercials, and

1700
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 6: we're getting nominated for really prestigious awards.

1701
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 7: We're winning prestigious awards that our little low budget short.

1702
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 6: Film is nominated beside Apple and Spotify and tinderft like big,

1703
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 6: over the top, big budget projects and here's this one

1704
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 6: little fashion film that we did for probably a third.

1705
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 7: Of the money. But the philosophy be all the things

1706
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 7: which to do, you.

1707
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 6: Know, entertained and entertaining people doesn't always mean it's fucking

1708
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,839
Speaker 6: a fucking show and you feel great sometimes the entertainment

1709
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 6: is breaking your heart and making you think about.

1710
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 7: Someone you love and think about how a spirit can

1711
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 7: still speak to you.

1712
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 6: From beyond the grade, and how the universe brings things together.

1713
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, That can still be entertainment.

1714
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 6: You're really tugging on your heart springs.

1715
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 7: So we're there the entertain We're here to do that

1716
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,640
Speaker 7: work and all that studying. And it ain't easy to

1717
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:28,440
Speaker 7: go being nominated.

1718
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:31,560
Speaker 6: Becauside an Apple project or Christian Dior or you know,

1719
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 6: Tom Ford or this ain't little brands, This ain't little things.

1720
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 6: But with the right philosophy, with the right approach, with

1721
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 6: the right heart, with the right collaboration, with all these

1722
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 6: things going the right way, you're a little.

1723
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 7: Private that can make big waves. And so that is

1724
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 7: something as of you know with Superfly, the TV shows what.

1725
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 3: I've got a lot going on.

1726
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 6: Man, I'm a working director, but it's projects like that

1727
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 6: that really means something, really means something heartfelt. And then

1728
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 6: the payoff isn't in the pay and we weren't calculating it,

1729
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 6: we weren't making.

1730
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 3: Like God, we just made it and then the return

1731
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 3: was at so so before we wrap it up, I

1732
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 3: wanted to talk. I know Troy had questions about.

1733
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 4: The Yeah, yeah, because some of the things you're doing now, man,

1734
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 4: I thought it was just amazing operation prefrontal cortex. I

1735
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,560
Speaker 4: know that's something that that you're very passionate about and

1736
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 4: studying the brain studies. And you know there there were

1737
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 4: some events that happened in your life that kind of

1738
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 4: triggered it as well. And I heard that there's work

1739
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 4: that you're doing in prisons and you want to incorporate

1740
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:35,600
Speaker 4: in schools. And that's something that I've seen in my

1741
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 4: school in my district for sure, is like, uh, we

1742
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 4: have like this meditation thing. We call it the Mindfulness

1743
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 4: Room and hope hopefully it becomes something that that gets

1744
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Speaker 4: picked up by other school districts because it is helpful

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01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 4: for kids.

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Speaker 2: I wanted you to talk about your experience with that.

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01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 7: I mean, look, George Floyd is I think it might

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01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 7: be his last.

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Speaker 6: Video with talking about the violence in our community. And yeah,

1750
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 6: we have a beef with the police.

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01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 7: The whole world has. You can see the police are.

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01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 8: Out of control.

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01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 7: Well we got something else. Our young men are killing

1754
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 7: each other everywhere you go.

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01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,879
Speaker 6: Toronto is on fire with the with the gun violence

1756
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 6: and they don't care. Literally, the last shoot the day

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01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,639
Speaker 6: that George Floyd was killed a twenty one year.

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01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 7: Old and Kudini got killed out here.

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01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 6: When you see the security footage when they start shooting

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01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 6: at each other, there's a six year old standing in between.

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Speaker 7: Downtown Toronto in the middle of the day. Film me. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: and it's that fucking series. But when we've done police,

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01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:46,759
Speaker 7: we've done all the programs. And I was shot myself

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01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 7: in my back that the bullet went through two people

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01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 7: and hit me. Luckily I shifted my body weight.

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Speaker 6: Might have been the difference between a whole other kind

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01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 6: of life of regular hospital visits and what happened to me.

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01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 7: They cut it out and I walked out. You know

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01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 7: what I'm saying. So I started I started pulling together.

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Speaker 7: I'm science minded. We could say I'm interested in science.

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01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 6: And I remember I'm reading something one day and I

1772
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:15,640
Speaker 6: come across some some something in some science journal and say, oh,

1773
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 6: the criminal mind isn't like the normal brain.

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01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 7: The criminal brain and the normal brain aren't the same.

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Speaker 6: And I read it and it says the prefrontal cortex

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01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 6: is smaller, that's decision making, and the amygdala is bigger.

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01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:29,799
Speaker 7: And that's emotional control.

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01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 6: So and then I'm reading something else and it says

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01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 6: something about children who are abused and something happens to

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01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 6: their brain and the prefrontal cortex is smaller. And then

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01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 6: I read something else and it's meditation changes their brain

1782
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 6: and makes your prefront.

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01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 7: The cortex figure and it makes your mikdala smaller. I'm

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01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 7: hold on, that's the opposite.

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01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 2: Of the violent group.

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01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 6: And I start and I gather these studies together, and

1787
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 6: it's very very clear childhood abuse to neglect change how.

1788
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 7: The brain develops. Children who are abused to neglect that.

1789
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 6: Their prefrontal cortex is too small, their migdala is too large.

1790
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 7: Chronic stress changes the brain.

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01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,839
Speaker 6: People who are are stressed out, their prefrontal cortext shrinks.

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01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 6: There a magdalah gets big, violent and aggressive people their

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01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 6: brain as distinct differences in the average person. Their prefrontal

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01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 6: cortex is too small, their mikela is too big.

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Speaker 3: And the prefrontal cortex is the part that decides decision making.

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01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 7: Right, yes, and the and the migdala is the part

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01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 7: of the brain.

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01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 3: That emotion emotions yeah, And.

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01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 7: It's also the part of the brain that decides to

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Speaker 7: fight or flight.

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01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 3: So this is when people people are people are making

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01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 3: decisions based off of emotion and not rational decisions. If

1803
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 3: they have you, it's it's very interesting part.

1804
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 7: Of the real decision making. The brain filters it. But

1805
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 7: your migdala.

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01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 6: Decides if we're gonna if I'm gonna if I'm gonna

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01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 6: run away, or I'm gonna hit that you know that

1808
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 6: blackout moment and just react because not only does the

1809
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 6: magdala make the decision, it also can turn off your

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01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 6: prefrontal cortex, so literally you're not making a decision right, So.

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01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 7: This is what's happening.

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01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 6: And then if you are constantly stressed, say you live

1813
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 6: in a bad neighborhood or you have a dangerous job,

1814
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 6: he says, we.

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01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 7: Live in danger all the time. We don't got time

1816
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 7: that you can figure out, figure shit out.

1817
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 6: We go to fight or we're either gonna run or

1818
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:17,440
Speaker 6: we're gonna fucking fight. It locks it in the hippocampus

1819
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 6: is learning and memory. The amygdala will lock in your.

1820
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 7: Fight or fight response, so you just fight it. You

1821
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 7: feel me, So there you go. But meditation does the opposite.

1822
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 6: It gives volume to your prefunctal cortext enshrinks your amignalant

1823
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 6: and gets volume to your hippocampus all the parts of

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01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 6: the brain. When you meditate, the parts of your brains

1825
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 6: that should be big get The parts of your brain

1826
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 6: that should be small get small. Like working out, you

1827
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 6: work out all the time, the muscles that should get

1828
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 6: you know, the muscles get big, the waste gets small,

1829
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 6: the stomach gets small.

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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

1831
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 6: It's the beauty of exercising. This is exercising your brain. Okay,

1832
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 6: and you do it through meditation. When you meditate, then

1833
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:57,839
Speaker 6: when you have big meditation, like in the schools, violent schools,

1834
01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 6: everything changes.

1835
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 7: The suspension, stuff, lent.

1836
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 6: Stuffs, the grades go up, the physicality all the time high.

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Speaker 6: You know, maximum security prisons, the most violent prison in Mexico.

1838
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 6: They start meditating, the violence goes down, their awareness rises up,

1839
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 6: all these great things.

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01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 7: Even with police officers meditate, they de escalate more, they

1841
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 7: don't they're not as violent.

1842
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:22,799
Speaker 6: This is to reducing the violence in our in our community,

1843
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:25,719
Speaker 6: in general, in our cities.

1844
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,759
Speaker 7: We need so our plan because Operation Reefunts or Cortex.

1845
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 6: Our mission is to reduce violence, gun violence, mass violent,

1846
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 6: police violence with meditation We need to be in our schools.

1847
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 6: Our schools saves our next generation. Right, we've got a school,

1848
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 6: we got the worst.

1849
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 7: Good of the world. They start meditating, that school's going

1850
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 7: to change. We've changed the generation. Once those kids have

1851
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 7: those tools, because once we get past.

1852
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 6: The idea or past the fact that they're that the

1853
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 6: the shape of their brain no longer is susceptible to

1854
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 6: violence and aggression. Then we start getting into the use

1855
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 6: of existing knowledge, better memory, better friendships, better social skills,

1856
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:04,520
Speaker 6: better physicality.

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01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 7: They start becoming better, fuller, happier human beings from the meditation.

1858
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. We need to get into our.

1859
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,799
Speaker 6: Community groups, into communities that are affected by violence.

1860
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 7: Not every we all know this. The whole hood isn't

1861
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 7: full of fucking gunmen. But you grew up around it.

1862
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 7: Sh It's dangerous. You've lost friends. You've been too many

1863
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,719
Speaker 7: close calls. You know, shit like this. You've lost friends.

1864
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 6: There's a lot of trauma living in these neighborhoods because

1865
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 6: of the violence.

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01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 7: Meditation can help you with this. So we need the

1867
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 7: community groups. We need the correctional system, and that is

1868
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 7: you know, we need to be in those prisons helping

1869
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 7: these guys figure the shit out so they can actually

1870
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 7: come out of jail and live a good life. Everyone's

1871
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 7: supposed to be able to live a good life. That's

1872
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,600
Speaker 7: the dream, right, not just being rich and falling, but

1873
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 7: that you live a fulfilling life that you you know.

1874
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 7: And then there is the.

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01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 6: Streets which needs another program. It's a mentorship called program

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Speaker 6: called Advanced Piece to bring that in a very if

1877
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 6: you go to advanced Peace dot org you'll see a

1878
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 6: very effective program mentorship program to reduce violence that will

1879
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 6: save money drastically from city budgets because of the cost

1880
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 6: of shootings.

1881
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 7: A million dollars a shooting.

1882
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, And then we need to get our police meditating.

1883
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 6: We need the police need to meditate and beyond forget

1884
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 6: the bad cops, forget the white supremacists.

1885
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 7: And that's why we didn't really touch on.

1886
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 6: But white supremacists have infiltrated law enforcement worldwide.

1887
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 7: That's the FBI says that, not just me. It's not

1888
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 7: a conspiracy. That's what the FBI found. So let's not

1889
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 7: let's put that to the side. Let's talk about cops

1890
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 7: who actually are you know, they joined because they wanted

1891
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,639
Speaker 7: to do something good. Well, the stress of the job

1892
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 7: is making them is changing.

1893
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 6: Their brain, strengthen their prefrontal cortex. It's enlarging their maggo.

1894
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 6: It's locking in their fight or flight response. It's making

1895
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 6: them more aggressively, it's making them more violent.

1896
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:58,679
Speaker 7: I can tell you, man, when you have a job.

1897
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:02,520
Speaker 6: Where it is dealing with people who have been traumatized,

1898
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 6: you you take it's a heavyweight. I do a day

1899
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 6: of meetings with you know, the mother lost or son,

1900
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 6: the guy who loves the people that are really in

1901
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 6: the living the life.

1902
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 7: It's crushing, it's hard, it's heavy, and that's the day

1903
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 7: of meetings. Let alone. Being a social work in.

1904
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 6: Your job is to like get off the phone with

1905
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,679
Speaker 6: the girl who's debuted and then get go no funk.

1906
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 6: Like at some point the brain says that I can't

1907
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 6: care anymore, I can't take this Twitter.

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01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 7: Meditation can believe that. But again, being a police officer.

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01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 6: We.

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01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 7: Costs go through some ship. Man to go through some ship, and.

1911
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 6: The brain reacts to that. So it ship's dangerous out here.

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01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 6: You have time to be nice to people. Meditation can

1913
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 6: relieve that it can get their bran back to a function.

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01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 7: They become better police officers with that.

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01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 6: So this is a This is how we make big,

1916
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 6: big changes. This is how we at least in our.

1917
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 7: Community, as we have to deal with systemic racism, as

1918
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 7: we have to deal with everything the system throws at us.

1919
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 6: Meditation can give us the ability to deal with the system,

1920
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 6: to navigate it better right and then hopefully do the

1921
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 6: work to undo the way the game is rigged against us.

1922
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 6: But right now, we've been doing it the other way.

1923
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 6: We've been trying to unrig the system, and we gotta

1924
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 6: do us first because we don't know.

1925
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 7: We don't know. You see what's happening with the system.

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01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 7: The whole shit is fucking wobbling. This should looks shaky

1927
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 7: right now. So it's how you do it? How are

1928
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 7: you going to handle yourself? This is what meditation can

1929
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 7: help us do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a big believer in meditation as well. And

1931
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 3: a lot of times people have the misconception about meditation

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01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 3: because they think that it's you gotta like sit Indian style.

1933
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 3: I mean, that's one part of it. But like for me,

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Speaker 3: like every morning before I get up, I just lay

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01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:57,600
Speaker 3: in bed still for about twenty minutes sometimes even up

1936
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Speaker 3: to any hour, and I just think and it's like

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Speaker 3: the best far on in the world to actually like

1938
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 3: visualize think, and it's like, you know, it starts my

1939
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,600
Speaker 3: day off a lot better than if I had to

1940
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 3: get up and just rush and just throw clothes on

1941
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 3: and run out the house, which most people that's the

1942
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 3: that's the that's their daily routine. And it's like you're

1943
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 3: already starting your day off on a whole different frequency.

1944
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 3: So I know firsthand the benefits of all of that

1945
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 3: as far as you know, just you know, thinking about

1946
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 3: things and putting things in the universe and meditating and

1947
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 3: visualizing and all of these things are extremely important, and

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01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 3: a lot of times you don't really take it serious.

1949
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 3: We kind of think, like, you know, we have a

1950
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 3: lot of ignorant beliefs in superstitions. Yeah exactly, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 4: I saw you, you know, and that's that I struggle,

1952
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 4: like being still and not having a thousand thoughts going.

1953
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 4: I saw that you use you use music as one

1954
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 4: of the key factors to help you do that. And

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Speaker 4: I saw like when you did it through speakers, you

1956
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Speaker 4: your brain waves were at like eighteen percent, but when

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01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:05,639
Speaker 4: you had headphones and you saw a drastic difference, which

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Speaker 4: is key. Like I was like, you know what, I

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Speaker 4: I said, I have to try it.

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Speaker 7: You do, we do. When you have the headphones on,

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Speaker 7: you know. And then not every meditation. I have diet

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Speaker 7: that is the techn The meditation technique.

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Speaker 6: I use is a lot of visualization and as you

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Speaker 7: The visualized goals. And it's very helpful. It's very helpful.

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Speaker 7: It's good to you know, it's a good place to

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Speaker 6: Where you want to be in your mind in this

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Speaker 7: Life you're trying to build for yourself.

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Speaker 6: And then you know, we can have a debate whether

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Speaker 7: Actually you know the law of attraction.

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Speaker 2: Or is it you know?

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Speaker 7: Or does it just helps you see what you want

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Speaker 7: No matter what, have you cut it. It's a good

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Speaker 3: Shout out to everybody.

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Speaker 7: Again, Bro, there's all this technology around you. If you

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Speaker 6: If you got if you want to do something, you

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