1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. We have the 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: pleasure of sitting down with general manager Eric Decassa to 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: break down the twenty twenty four NFL Draft. So, Eric, 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: we know how much you loved all the Ravens picks 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: because you didn't make any trades, so you had to 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: love the player first time as GM that you didn't 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: trade back at all in the draft or trade back 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: into the draft. So we heard from David Blackburn and 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: we heard from Harves. They kind of answered the question 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: for you whether that bothered you. But I want to 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: ask you the question. Let you speak for yourself. How 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: much did not making a trade bother you during the draft. 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: You know, I just I'm trying to make the team better, right, 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: and so there's a lot of different ways to do that. 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: Some years you make trades. For me, it always depends 16 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 2: on who's available, who might be available, What can we 17 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: get from making a trade, and is it worth you know, 18 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: moving away from a really good player and this ye're 19 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: looking at the board. It was like, Nah, these guys 20 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: are really good football players. They make us better from 21 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: day one. Let's just make our picks. 22 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like, you know, It's kind of 23 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: like when I see a discount somewhere, if I don't 24 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: like buy the discount of thing, I kind of get 25 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: this like itch. It kind of just like gives me 26 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: this the heb gbs. You don't get that feeling though. 27 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 3: You know. 28 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 2: A long time ago, when you know, I was a 29 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: young aspiring scout and I was trying to decorate my 30 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: small apartment on Light Street, which was down there in 31 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: fed Hill, right over there by Sam's Bagels, which I 32 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: don't even know if it exists. 33 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 3: I think it still does, Yes, Sam's Bagels. 34 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: I was across the street and I bought the cheapest furniture, yes, 35 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: and you know, I saved a lot of money. It 36 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 2: was garbage and it was like literally falling apart. First 37 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: of all, I had to put it together. But then 38 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: once I put it together, it started falling apart. And 39 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: I thought, you know what, next time, I'm going to 40 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 2: go to Schauffeur's, which was a big furniture across the 41 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: street and actually pay. 42 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 3: For good furniture. I think this, Shay, we paid for 43 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: good furniture. 44 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 4: That's the way of doing it. 45 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: These aren't ike Appross. 46 00:01:58,880 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 47 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 5: The only person who I think Maylee trades more than 48 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 5: you is Steve. You know you told us about the 49 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 5: Bashadti reign of terror idea during the pre draft press conference. 50 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 5: So was he over there saying no trades? Like we 51 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 5: know that he loves to make trades, like I said, 52 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 5: maybe even more than you. 53 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he always wants to make trades. You know, He's 54 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: always pushing me to make trades, and he's like staring 55 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: at me. But I'm confident in the work that I do, 56 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 2: and I'm confident in my evaluations, and I'm confident in 57 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: my ability to assess the market and assess the draft board. 58 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: And so ultimately it's my call. And if I decided 59 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: out to make a trade, I'm gonna look a Steven say, 60 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: we're picking. 61 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, well you obviously picked at number thirty, you get 62 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 5: Nate Wiggins, and that's an exciting time for this team 63 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 5: when that pick is made. You know, did you feel 64 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 5: going into that day, did you feel like corner is 65 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 5: going to be the spot and Nate Wiggins could be 66 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 5: that guy? 67 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 3: I did. 68 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I thought there was definitely a chance. So 69 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: I know, obviously it was a historic offensive line draft 70 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 2: and you saw the eight offensive lineman. 71 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 3: I think maybe eight go. 72 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: Before we picked, and I kind of felt that to 73 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 2: be the case before the draft and looking at it realistically, 74 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: I thought we might have a chance to get a 75 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 2: corner or a receiver receiver in the first and looking 76 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: at the corner board, I felt like it was a 77 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: good chance that Mitchell would be gone. I thought, you know, 78 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: the Arnold would be gone from Alabama, those two guys 79 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: for sure. And then I'm looking at it going, okay, 80 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: is there a chance that you know, we have a 81 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: chance to get the gene or Wigans. 82 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 3: That'd be great. 83 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: You know, we had the chance to get both guys, 84 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: and you know, Wiggins is an extremely talented player, phenomenal athlete, 85 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: just a straight, lockdown cover type guy. 86 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: He's a little thinner, you know. 87 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: I think sometimes people confuse his lack of frame with 88 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: a lack of toughness or aggression, which we don't subscribe 89 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: to that theory, because we see a physical, competitive player 90 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: at times with a good motor, highly competitive. He does 91 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: need to get stronger, he will get stronger, he can't 92 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: do that. We thought he was the best cover guy 93 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 2: in the draft, quite honestly, with the best feet played 94 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 2: against phenomenal competition, which is very very important in evaluating 95 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: that position, and we think he fits who we are 96 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: as an organization and our defense quite well. 97 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: You said that Derek Yam gave it an eighty percent 98 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: chance that Roger Rosengarten would get to you in the 99 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: second round. Can you share what the percent chances were 100 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: of Wiggins getting to you in the first. 101 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Wiggins was closer to forty percent. I think, 102 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 2: you know, the issue for us really was going to 103 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 2: be that if we were able to get an offensive 104 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: lineman in the first round, we saw a very small 105 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: chance that we would get an offensive that we would 106 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: get a corner in the second round. We thought there 107 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 2: was a better chance for us to get the offensive 108 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: lineana in the second round by getting the corner in 109 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: the first round, just looking at the way we could 110 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: operate the board based on the percentages of those players 111 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: being there. So Derek does a great job with our 112 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: draft board, taking the grade of the model, taking the 113 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: grade where the player is on the draft board, taking 114 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: the consensus board, the industry standards, so to speak, and 115 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: for each round, at each pick, creating a percentage that 116 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: we might expect that player is going to be there. 117 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: I think it's pretty good. 118 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: We have to go back now and sort of go 119 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: back and look at the percentages and see how accurate 120 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: those percentages were. I will tell you that our experiences, 121 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: at least with the players that we got, seem to 122 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: be pretty spot on. But I haven't gone back and 123 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 2: really checked that list, the totality of the list against 124 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: the percentage to see exactly if it worked out well. 125 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: In the corner tackle strategy seem to make sense on 126 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: the surface, even because so many teams took their tackle 127 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: or their offensive liven in a round one that the 128 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: needs in the second round, they're just weren't as many 129 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: teams of that need. 130 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 5: That's right. 131 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 2: So if and that's that's excellent, And that's what I 132 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: thought about to Ryan, Actually, you know, applied you for 133 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: thinking about like that, because that's going into it. I'm like, Okay, 134 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,679 Speaker 2: eight teams have drafted a tackle, these teams have signed 135 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 2: tackles and free agency, these teams have good starting tackles. 136 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: How many teams are going to actually potentially draft a tackle? 137 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: And what we saw was that our biggest threats were 138 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 2: going to be the teams behind us in the second round, 139 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: San Francisco and Kansas City. Those were the teams that 140 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: really kind of gave me some concern that they would 141 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: leap for potentially that just that they would be in 142 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: the tackle market. Definitely, they were obviously some teams in 143 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 2: front of us, but we felt like the number of 144 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: tackles taken in the second round be much lower than 145 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: the amount of tackles taken in the first round. 146 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 4: Right. 147 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: You kind of gave a little bit of an indication 148 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: that they were talking about Cooper to Gene that he was 149 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: another player high on your board during the draft. You say, 150 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: if Nate wasn't there, there was one other guy that 151 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: we would have taken or we would have probably traded back. 152 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 3: Was that Cooper? 153 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: Or can you give us any other clues about who 154 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: that player would have been? 155 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? 156 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: Without my list, you know, without my list, I think 157 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: I don't remember. 158 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 4: It's been so long. 159 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: If I didn't remember when I said it, you know, 160 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: after the draft, I'm probably not gonna remember now. 161 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 3: It's just been a few days. 162 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 4: Your memory is kind of foggy. 163 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that was foggy the other day, and it's 164 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: more foggy now. 165 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 5: I'm curious about the you you just talked about how 166 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 5: you could have possibly gone receiver in the frost Shana. 167 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 4: Then after we picked, there was kind of this run 168 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 4: on receivers. 169 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 5: That went in order to second round even you know 170 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 5: what was kind of walk me through that process of 171 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 5: looking at the receivers, considering and potentially a receiver there 172 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 5: and that and that run that ends up taking place, 173 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 5: especially right after that we picked. 174 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: What's funny I was thinking about that, you know, because 175 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: you know, someone said, how do you define this draft? 176 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: And I said, well, was the draft of the runs. 177 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: It's like, maybe I shouldn't like that. 178 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: But there were a lot of runs the Shoul year 179 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: and we were at the front. I think of a 180 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: lot of these different movements with positions, which was fortunate. 181 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: You know, we saw it in different ways. We saw 182 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: it with corners, you know, in that time, in that 183 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: span of the draft too, where all the corners got 184 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: picked pretty much from the mid part of the twenties 185 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: all the way down into the early forties, most of 186 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: the corners got picked. There was a receiver run. There 187 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: was a historic run on offensive lineman at the end 188 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: of the second into the third where we saw those 189 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: tackles and guards like basically the entire guardboard just got 190 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 2: wiped out. So yeah, you know you did see the receivers. 191 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: That was a good group of receivers. I think would 192 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 2: hurt that position in the draft was quite honestly, just 193 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: the amount of offensive lineman and quarterbacks that went in 194 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: the first round. 195 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 3: You know, you. 196 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: Probably saw what fourteen maybe quarterbacks and offensive linemen go 197 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: in the first round and went by that happening. You 198 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: see like corners and you see receivers prize positions good 199 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 2: value in the mid twenties in the early part of 200 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 2: the second round as well at those positions. 201 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 5: So one of the receivers who got drafted in the 202 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 5: first round was was Xavier Worthy speedzer. Obviously, he goes 203 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 5: at twenty eight right in front of us to the 204 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 5: Chiefs say trade up and get him. You know, I'm curious, 205 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 5: like the Chiefs take him. Then two packs later you 206 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 5: end up taking a super fast cover corner. Does it ever, 207 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 5: does a move of another team impact what you do? Like, 208 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 5: does the Chiefs drafting Xavier Worthy ever have or did 209 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 5: it have any impact on your decision to take Nate Wiggins? 210 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: You know, not really, It's just it's nice. It's nice 211 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 2: when your strengths kind of aligned with another team's strength, 212 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 2: so you match up well, especially a competitor, but you're 213 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: not going to just draft players generally based on one 214 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: other team's moves that they've made. It helps for sure, 215 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: we would have taken you know, we would have taken 216 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: Wiggins had the you know Chiefs drafted a tackle. Okay, yeah, 217 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 2: with the draft of them, uh now Worthy. He's a 218 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: heck of a player, explosive guy, guy that I liked 219 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: a lot as a as a prospect, you know, and 220 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: I think looking at him, you know, he's he's a 221 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: little bit like a Za, Hollywood Brown, that type of guy. 222 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: We have a Za. 223 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: So for us, I think, and we can kind of segue, 224 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: you know, to tees. But we were looking for a 225 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: different body type this year. We were looking for an outside, 226 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: you know, big body guy, and so you know, and 227 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: I subscribe to the theory. It's like a restaurant. You 228 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 2: go to a restaurant, you want a lot of different 229 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: things in the menu. You don't want all the same 230 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: thing in the menu. And I think at the receiver position, 231 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: it is smart to have different types of receivers. You know, 232 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: I want excellent receivers, but I also want guys that 233 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: can play x Z, you know, whatever it might be. 234 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: You want guys to have different skill sets. 235 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 3: Come. 236 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: Some guys play outside, vertical guys. Other guys can can 237 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: do both. Some guys are slots. They can find the 238 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: open spots inside and make the plays inside. You want 239 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 2: guys that can catch the ball, have secure hands inside. 240 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: Outside. 241 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 2: You want fast guys that can jump and leap and 242 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 2: make highlight contested catches and different things like that. So 243 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: you don't want them all to look the same. I 244 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: think so when Worthy's case, outstanding player, love his game, 245 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: love his speed, love his returnability, excellent pick, hate to 246 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 2: see him go there. But for us, you know, getting 247 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: Wiggins was a home run. 248 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: Now you look back at the Ravens draft history at cornerback, 249 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: you know there's Chris Mcalis or Jimmy Smith, Marlon Helphrey. 250 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: These are kind of bigger guys press corners that Baltimore 251 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: is kind of I feel like, become known for picking 252 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: right in the first round. Nate Wiggins is built a 253 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: little bit differently, But do you think that he's more 254 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: built and kind of better suited for today's NFL game? 255 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: Well, I mean Nate's actually you know, he's got good length, 256 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 2: he's a tall guy. Can he fill out? Yes, he 257 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: can fill out. We'll get Manny cooked some MoMA. Forming 258 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: will be good. 259 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: I told Nate that if he wants a mentor a 260 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: role model in the filling out game, I got him covered. 261 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 262 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I've I've seen how long employees stay 263 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 2: in the cafeteria at lunchtime. So there's definitely a focus 264 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 2: on eating here in quality food. 265 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 4: Are you looking at two chief offenders here? 266 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not making any comments anybody you know, but 267 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 2: I think listen, Nate has good length, he can press, 268 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: he can play from off. 269 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 3: I see him as. 270 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 2: Being able to play every coverage that we want, every 271 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 2: technique that we want. He's going to get bigger and stronger. 272 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: He's going to be a player for us that we 273 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: can count him for a long time. 274 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 5: So in the second round, you go offensive sackle and 275 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 5: you go with with Roger Rosen Garden there And I 276 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 5: got the sense and hearing from you guys after the 277 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 5: draft like he was the guy that he was your guy, 278 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 5: He was the one that you wanted going into the 279 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 5: second day. Is that how you looked at it, Like 280 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 5: basically fingers crossed Roger Rosen Garten is there for us 281 00:12:58,920 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 5: in the second round. 282 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 2: Well, we wanted to tackle for sure, and there were 283 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: very few tackles left, and we had him as the 284 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: best guy for us. I mean, there was some other 285 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 2: players that we liked, some other tackles that we liked, 286 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 2: but Roger for us was the cleanest player in different ways. 287 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: Younger guy, excellent feet, outstanding athlete, great mover, durable, has 288 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: played on the right side. He's a natural left tackle 289 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 2: who was moved to the right side to protect Penix's 290 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 2: blind side to be get the left tackle experience. With him, 291 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: it's never given up a sack again. Another guy, he's 292 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 2: going to get stronger and more physical. He can gain 293 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: some size and muscle. I think he will. But when 294 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: we look at tackles and we look at the production, 295 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 2: and we look at the body type and the mentality 296 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 2: and the intelligence, his pedigree, his level of play and 297 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: what he did. We saw him at the Senior Bowl. 298 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: He had a great week down there. When we look 299 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: at all that, he was clearly the number one guy 300 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: for us at that position. 301 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 5: I'm sure body type was there any is that part 302 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 5: of But Toddmunkin wants from an offensive lineman. It seems 303 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 5: like like his ability to move and be out in space, 304 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 5: and like it seems he has that ability. 305 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: I have more mobility at tackle? 306 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 4: Was that part of it? 307 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:11,119 Speaker 3: Got mobility? 308 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: You know? 309 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 2: Listen, we'd like our tackles to be as athletic and 310 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: big as possible, and he's a very very athletic guy. 311 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 2: I think his frame he's going to continue to fill out. 312 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: But he can play in space, he can pull, he 313 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: can block at the second level, he can protect the 314 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: edge as a pass protector, he can change direction. I mean, 315 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: he does everything pretty well. He's a great kid. He's 316 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: very smart, he's highly motivated. He's been durable, so looking 317 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: at him, he's a very safe, clean pick for us. 318 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: There were some other guys we liked as well in 319 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 2: the second round, but we were extagged to get him, 320 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: and I can tell you that going into the second day, 321 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: he was right at the top of my list. 322 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: So after Patrick Paul and Blake Fisher went where you're 323 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,479 Speaker 1: starting to sweat then at that point. 324 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 2: Like I was a little bit and I'll be honest, 325 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 2: like we had Roger over those two guys. Those guys 326 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: were good players though, and definitely viable options for us 327 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: at some point, and we liked both those guys in 328 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: different ways. We had roger over those two, but when 329 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: they got picked, it was definitely I was sweating, not 330 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: necessarily that he might not make it down close to us, 331 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: but that other teams behind us, who knew we needed 332 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: to attack, might try to jump us to take him. 333 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you kind of alluded to this that there 334 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: was a team calling the Chiefs who were interested up 335 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: to our spot and then they decided not to. Was 336 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: that just because you asked for too much? And ultimately they. 337 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: Were like, it's a weird deal, and I think it 338 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: really we were very fortunate how it all went down, 339 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: because yeah, so we were picking at what sixty two, 340 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: and I think at sixty three was the forty nine 341 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 2: ers and at. 342 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 3: Sixty four was the Chiefs. 343 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: The Chiefs called us and offered us to go back 344 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: two spots, I think a fifth round pick and maybe 345 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: seventh round pick. I forget I know what fifth was involved, 346 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: which for two spots is like, you think, pretty good 347 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: right for the players. So we debated doing that, and 348 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: then when we called them back and I said, yeah, 349 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: I probably do that. We called them back and they said, 350 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 2: now we're not interested. 351 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: So then, and they were the ones that originally pitched it. 352 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: They did, and so then we picked Roger and then 353 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: they then traded up with San Francisco one spot and 354 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: they drafted Suemataia I think from BYU. So, uh, we're 355 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: sort of under the impression not you never know under 356 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 2: but we had some people tell us that this was 357 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: the case that both teams, the forty nine Ers and 358 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: the Chiefs both wanted rose Garden, and so when rose 359 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: and Garden got picked, the Chiefs traded with San Francisco 360 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: to get the next tackle, which was Sue Mattia. San 361 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: Francisco I would assume was happy then since Roseen Garden 362 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 2: was picked to go back get a little bit extra, 363 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 2: they took in a lot of the Chiefs to take 364 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 2: who they wanted. So you never know. I mean, we 365 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: were told that by somebody close to the Rosen Garden 366 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 2: in the Asian community that that was the case, but 367 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: I can't say that. You know, the Chiefs did want 368 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 2: to trade up and then backed away from that. From 369 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: the chief's perspective, maybe they're saying, well, there's a good 370 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 2: chance we'll get Roseen Garden. 371 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 3: It's two picks away, so let's just wait. 372 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: And I don't know the answer. I would have been 373 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: very angry, though, I can tell you had. 374 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 3: We traded with the Chiefs. 375 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: And they had taken Rosengarden, I would have been in 376 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 2: a dark place. So even though we would have gotten 377 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 2: additional picks, my idea was to go back two spots 378 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: and still get Roseenarden, which we do a lot. We 379 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: go back and get the guy we want, which is 380 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 2: a beautiful trade when that happens. In this case, so 381 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 2: it had be gone back, I'm not sure we would 382 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: have gotten him. 383 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: It would have been tough. 384 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 1: So the Chiefs basically were thinking that maybe we we 385 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: were going to take Kingsley. So they were like, you 386 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: know what, never mind, you were going to take Kingsley, 387 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: We're still going to get our guy, rosen Garten. 388 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 389 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: Uh, that's interesting. Must well, there was a lot, I mean, 390 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: there was a lot of buzz between us and Kingsley. 391 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: So maybe, yeah, maybe I helped us out. 392 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, my mock that had Kingsley. 393 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 3: You can tell yourself what you want. 394 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 4: That's great. 395 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 5: So then as you as you one more actually one 396 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 5: more question on rose Garden. That right tackle left tackle possibility, 397 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 5: Like you think that he potentially could play left tackle 398 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 5: as well, you know, and if you end up getting 399 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 5: a left tackle late in the second round, I mean, 400 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 5: that would be a crazy steal. 401 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: It's kind of the bonus too, because you know, the 402 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: immediate need for us is at right tackle, which he 403 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: just played at Washington, so he can come in. The 404 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: movements are all the same, but he also has the 405 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: skills of protecting a blindset if we need that down 406 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: the road. 407 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 4: Is that kind of how yeah? 408 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: I mean when we first looked at him, we looked 409 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: at him as a right tackle. He went to the 410 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 2: senior ball, he played some left tackle with you know, 411 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 2: I would say like some good, some bad, you know, 412 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: but he hadn't really played that position for a couple 413 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 2: of years. 414 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 3: And so I just see a guy that's like big. 415 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: And athletic and smart, and he's played some left tackles. 416 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 2: So I think it gives us great flexibility. One of 417 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 2: the things we look for with offensive lineman when we 418 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: evaluate offensive lineman is one of the positions specifics is 419 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 2: versatility and just having the ability to play multiple positions, 420 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 2: and that's a valuable thing on the offensive line. We've 421 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 2: seen a guy like Pat McCarey who can play all 422 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 2: the spots right, you know, on the offensive line, those 423 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 2: guys are invaluable for your club, especially on game day. 424 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 2: So if you have a tackle that can play left tackle, 425 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 2: right tackle, it just increases, you know, your depth on 426 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: the offensive line when you're trying to play a game. 427 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: Like like you said, in the third round, guards, offensive lineman, guards, 428 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: end tackles. Just it just was a crazy run. I 429 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: think it was ten were picked in the third round alone. 430 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: Before we came back on the board, were you looking 431 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: at the third round as possibly, hey, we might double 432 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: up on the offensive line as part of this rebuild 433 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: and and did you just kind of have to pivot 434 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: after they just came came flying off? 435 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we did. 436 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: We looked at that, and so in the third round, yeah, 437 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: they all came off. Would we have taken an offensive 438 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 2: line and we probably would have. 439 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 3: You know. 440 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: Now, we took a Disa and he was pretty highly 441 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 2: rated on our board as a player and as a person, 442 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 2: So it was a it was a really really good 443 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: pick for us. I think I'm really happy with that pick. 444 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 2: We also looked at you know, quite honestly, we looked 445 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 2: at you know, TJ. Tampa because we had had him 446 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 2: pretty high on the board as well, and we had 447 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: already taken a corner, so we kind of was kind 448 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: of a wait and see and we decided not to 449 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 2: take a corner at that point. 450 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 3: We discussed it. 451 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 2: We just figured like, at this point, we've just drafted 452 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: a corner, so let's just not you know, even though 453 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 2: he's worthy of being picked there, let's wait. But the 454 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: reality is that all those linemen got picked right there 455 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 2: after rosen Garden. It was just a massive run and 456 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 2: we felt like Adisa was just the best player critical position. 457 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: I think one of the things that made me feel 458 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 2: really good was we had drafted a corner, a tackle, 459 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 2: and a pass rusher, three of the most important positions. 460 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: That we had been able to fill those really critical 461 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: important positions on our team with our first three picks. 462 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 2: Was was a good thing. 463 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 5: Adiza is interesting because you know, he goes obviously to 464 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 5: Penn State, Chop Robinson goes in the first round, and 465 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 5: those two guys are both coming off the edge at 466 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 5: Penn State. You know, Adisa had more production at Penn 467 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 5: State than Chop Robinson had, who was a first rounder, 468 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 5: and Chop has some kind of off the charts athletic ability. 469 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 5: But when you like, if Adisa runs a four to 470 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 5: four eight of the combine, maybe he ends up being, 471 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 5: you know, a guy who goes verse or second round. 472 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 5: But how do you kind of look at that potential 473 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 5: versus production, and you know, you end up getting the 474 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 5: guy who had had more production, which is ultimately what 475 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 5: you're looking for at the same position in the third round. 476 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 5: It seems like great value there. 477 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, we felt like it was. You know, my daughter's 478 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: at Penn State. I was up there a few times 479 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 2: this fall. Kenny Sanders, who used to work with Kenny 480 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 2: player personnel up there. We've got a great relationship with 481 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 2: coach Franklin and his people. I was at the West 482 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 2: Virginia game and watched those guys play, and we just 483 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 2: felt like a Desa really fits our mentality who we 484 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: are as a team. We've had a lot of successful 485 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 2: guys like him. He's a relentless football player. He's got 486 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 2: an amazing story of resilience and just achieving and dealing 487 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 2: with adversity and various things and has really performed so well. 488 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 2: And like I said, he's the type of guy we 489 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 2: really kind of like seek when we build our team. 490 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: He checks every single box, and I've got no doubt 491 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: in my mind he's gonna be a productive player for us. 492 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 5: It's interesting he's got a connection with a Dafe Oway. 493 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 5: You have some connections in this past rusher room. A 494 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 5: Jabo and Oway went to high school together. They're great friends. 495 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 5: Dafe was a Disa's host when he visited at Penn State. 496 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 4: Do you I don't know if. 497 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: That Sonoocy Kane was a high school team high. 498 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 4: School day, very happy man this draft. 499 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, at Blair Acadamy exactly. 500 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 5: But it was that kind of the cherry on top 501 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 5: that like they have a connection or does that Does 502 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 5: that play into anything at all when you're making picks? 503 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 3: Uh? 504 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's a nice thing, yeah, because I 505 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 2: think what it does? 506 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 3: Is it? 507 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: It? The acclamation may mean it's listen, no matter what. 508 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 2: You invited to a party, you get there and you 509 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 2: see some friends. 510 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 3: It's it's better, right. 511 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 2: You go to a restaurant, you see some friends, you 512 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 2: go insideo them. Uh, It's just nice when you go 513 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 2: someplace and you know some people. It's just the transition 514 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 2: is better, the orientation is better, and you know, you 515 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 2: feel like you have a friend there. You can talk 516 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 2: to initially you can go to it just it just 517 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 2: I think it helps maximize the player early on. 518 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: Speaking of it, just picked up his fifty year option. 519 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: Can you just talk about kind of what went into 520 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: that decision and you know why that was kind of 521 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: a slim dough for you. 522 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, again, it plays a really important position. I think 523 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: he's analytically looking at him. He's been a productive player 524 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 2: and he's been a disruptive player for us, and we 525 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 2: really do think that his best has yet to come. 526 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: He's had some injuries, He's overcome some injuries. He's a 527 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 2: tenacious guy. He played some really good football last year 528 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 2: and I just feel like, you know, it was hard 529 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 2: losing Pat Queen Patrick Queen not picking up his option. 530 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 3: It was a football decision. 531 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 2: It really wasn't based on like Patrick as a player 532 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: as much as it just was allocation and resources at 533 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 2: that position. It was a tough, tough thing for me 534 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 2: to make that decision. This one was more clear cut 535 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 2: just from the standpoint of plays a critical position. We 536 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: are not allocating a ton of money to that position. 537 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 2: Got a bunch of younger guys that play that position 538 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 2: for the most part, and if he has a great year, 539 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 2: this year, which I believe you will his value will 540 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 2: be times to next year, right. So it just made 541 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: a lot of sense with that room of players. You know, 542 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: we don't have a roll kwand Smith at the outside 543 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 2: linebacker position that we're paying top of the money, top 544 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: of the market money too. So for us, it's like, 545 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 2: he's gonna play this year at a good number. We 546 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 2: believe he's going to produce really well, and that number 547 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 2: next year is gonna be worth it. 548 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great. 549 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 5: So then in the in the fourth round, you end 550 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 5: up going with Devanta's Walker. He talked about him, you 551 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 5: know a little bit, and he's he's I mean, this 552 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 5: guy was super productive you know when he was on 553 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 5: the field, uh in college, and you like the body 554 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 5: type that he brings. Just what do you feel like 555 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 5: he's going to add to this this receiver group And 556 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 5: can you get a guy in the fourth round who 557 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 5: can come in and contribute right away? 558 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? At he's tall, he ran very fast fourth three 559 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: jump over forty two inches. I think, just an explosive guy, 560 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: you know, And I think with us one of the 561 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 2: things that we've been missing a little bit is that 562 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: big linear outside field stretcher type of guy, you know, 563 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 2: I mean, Zay's fast and he can be a vertical guy. 564 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 3: Bait as fast. 565 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 2: He's a vertical guy, but we see both those guys 566 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 2: is also really really good inside, you know, full route 567 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 2: tree running, really being able to drop their weight inside, 568 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 2: getting open, uncovering. So you know, having a guy like 569 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 2: a Tory Smith was for us who can just run 570 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 2: past people, catch the ball on vertical routes, drop past 571 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 2: interference penalties, forced teams to play you know, too deep, 572 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 2: you know, cover two type coverages against us. I think 573 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: it's going to really help us. He's a guy who 574 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 2: can go get the ball again. I think a guy 575 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 2: that we got to know, his story, his background very compelling, 576 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 2: a lot like Adisa in terms of overcoming adversities and things, 577 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,719 Speaker 2: and just made a lot of sense for us at 578 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 2: that point in the draft. You know, we've in some 579 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 2: years you look at the fourth round and you're just 580 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 2: not quite sure exactly what you want to do. And 581 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: I think, you know, this year, coming into the fourth round, 582 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 2: as I'm stacking the board early in the morning on 583 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 2: Saturday morning, it was like, Okay, if we could ever 584 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 2: get Tez or TJ with one of these picks, it'd 585 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 2: be a slam dunk. 586 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 3: Fortunately we got both guys. 587 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 2: They were two of our highest rated players on a 588 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 2: third day, and we were excited to get those guys. 589 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: You bring up the adversity that tes's face. I mean, 590 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: the guy suffered knee injury right before his college career started, 591 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: ended up working at bo Jangles to pay for his 592 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: own rehabs. We could take care of his grandmother. Then, 593 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: of course the eligibility issues from the NC double A. 594 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: When you see somebody face that adversity and overcome it 595 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: come out the other side. Once he got on the 596 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: field North Carolina, he was bawling, not just speaking to 597 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: him but in general for prospects. How big a do 598 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: is that when you see a guy that faced adversity 599 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: and came out the other side. 600 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's huge, you know. 601 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 2: I mean when we look at it, and you know, 602 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 2: we have a lot of very skilled people. They help 603 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 2: me make these decisions. But you know, when we look 604 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 2: at the background of players, and you know, whether it's 605 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 2: you know, Steve Claggett who works with me, who really 606 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 2: does a great job of looking at the backgrounds of players, 607 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 2: or doctor Trish who works upstairs with me, helps with 608 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 2: mental health and different things. And we see adversity that's 609 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 2: been overcome. It's like a badge that these guys wears. 610 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 2: A it's a strength that these guys possess because playing here, 611 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 2: playing in the NFL, coming into this situation where you 612 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 2: might not be the very best anymore, that's that's challenging. Injuries, 613 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: they're a thing some guys can't handle the fact that 614 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: they've been hurt. So when you see a guy that's 615 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: overcome something large in his life, some major obstacle, it 616 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 2: tells me that the NFL is not be too big 617 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: for them. They've already overcome something. They're hardened by that. 618 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 2: It's like a scar that they wear proudly and it's 619 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: not going to be as challenging for them as it 620 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,479 Speaker 2: will be for a player who's had it pretty easy 621 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 2: all along the way. 622 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 5: It's interesting here you talk about that, you know, the 623 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 5: around the draft time, like it's always so much of 624 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,479 Speaker 5: a conversation character, personality on field, off field, and like 625 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 5: the person and trying to evaluate that is like such 626 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 5: a big piece of the equation. And you mentioned some 627 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 5: of the folks who kind of help you in that 628 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 5: evaluation process. You also have an analytics team that puts 629 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 5: all sorts of work into whether it's projecting who's going 630 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 5: to be there. 631 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 4: But I guess what. 632 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 5: I'm trying to say is are you able to put 633 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 5: science behind the personality piece of the equation in this 634 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 5: evaluation process? 635 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,479 Speaker 2: Well, that's you know, there's a lot of that's a 636 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: great question, and there's a lot of proprietary stuff in 637 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 2: there that I probably wouldn't touch, But I will say 638 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: that yes, and we spend a lot of time doing that. 639 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: When you talk about personality and you talk about makeup, 640 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: you're talking about a lot of subjective things, and people 641 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 2: can misread that. I mean, for me, as a bald 642 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 2: white dude from New England, I might look at a 643 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 2: player from rural Alabama totally different than an African American 644 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: scout from you know, Georgia. And so these biases that 645 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 2: we have effect the way that we look at other people. 646 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 2: The challenge is for us as evaluators to eliminate and 647 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 2: to at least be aware of all these different biases. 648 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 2: We want the evaluation process in general to be as 649 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 2: objective as possible. How do we do that? We do 650 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 2: that by talking about these biases. We do that by 651 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 2: acknowledging these things, by eliminating noise, by creating objective measures 652 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 2: in a ways to measure different things like growth, mindset 653 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: like pride, like attention to detail, leadership, team focus, and 654 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,479 Speaker 2: different things like that. I'm really proud of the guys, 655 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 2: the scouts, the staff, whether it's you know, Steve Claggett, 656 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: doctor Trish. 657 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 3: I mean, we even use you. 658 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 2: My assistant ar chief of staff, Jen Hoffman, she helps 659 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 2: us with the interviews and she conducts interviews all throughout 660 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 2: the process via zoom where she's working with a group 661 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 2: of people interviewing prospects. They discuss the interviews afterwards, they 662 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 2: evaluate the players looking at different criteria with the idea 663 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: that we can use this information in our predictive models 664 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 2: to help us make decisions. 665 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's one more reason. Also that it's 666 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: great to have Ozzie still around, because I mean, neither 667 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: of you have much hair, but come from different backgrounds. 668 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, we are very different in a 669 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: lot of ways. 670 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 3: But you know, working with. 671 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,239 Speaker 2: Ozzie's it's great And I always telp people like so. 672 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 2: I was one of the first people that Ozzie ever 673 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: hired back in nineteen ninety six, and there's really no 674 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 2: reason he should have hired me because we look totally different. 675 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: You know, He's in every hall of fame. I'm in 676 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 2: no hall of fame. I went to all of fame. Yeah, 677 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: they don't even have a Hall of Fame. But I 678 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 2: went to a small liberal arts college. He went to 679 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 2: a massive football powerhouse, you know. I mean, there's there 680 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 2: was really nothing that we share except for passion for 681 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 2: the game of football. But you know, and I always 682 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: joke like, and he's he said said this, but some 683 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 2: of his greatest strengths are probably my biggest weaknesses, and 684 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: some of my greatest strengths and his biggest weaknesses. So 685 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 2: it's always worked out really well. And we just became 686 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 2: fast friends, even though we were so different from each other. 687 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 3: And I look at that as a beautiful. 688 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 2: Thing and something that is really in my life when 689 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 2: I think about some of the greatest joys, it's been 690 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 2: my relationship with Ozzie. And you know, I've had people, 691 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 2: you know, not to digress, but I've had people say 692 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 2: to me, like, isn't it weird having your boss work 693 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 2: for you now? 694 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,959 Speaker 3: And I just say, no, it's beautiful. It's great. How 695 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 3: many people could actually do that. 696 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 2: I think it speaks to our relationship sure that it 697 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 2: works so seamlessly, and it's been so easy because people 698 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 2: would say to me, oh, that's crazy, man. Aren't you 699 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 2: afraid he's gonna be looking over his shoulder or questioning 700 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 2: your moves or you know, you're going to be afraid 701 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 2: to make a move without his confirmation. And it's been fantastic, 702 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 2: and it's been a blessing. And he continues to bring 703 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 2: incredible value to the process and to help us be 704 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 2: our very best. 705 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: That's cool. Speaking of friends, I just back to tes 706 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: real quick. You know you talked about Lamar Jackson and 707 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: having kind of an assignment for him to give you. 708 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: His favorite receivers was Yvontees on his list of guys, 709 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: like I'd like that guy. 710 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 3: You know, we didn't. 711 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 2: You know, Lamar La has opinions on different players and 712 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 2: various things. But you know, he and I did discuss 713 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 2: the position a little bit, but Lamar wanted the guys 714 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: to work with. He didn't have specific names of players 715 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 2: this year. He just was excited to get a bigger body, 716 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 2: X type of guy this year that we could develop. 717 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,439 Speaker 2: He's really happy I think Lamar would say he's really 718 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 2: happy with with with you know, Flowers and and Bateman, 719 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 2: you know Thailand. I mean, obviously Nelson guys like that. 720 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 2: He was hoping to get a different type of body 721 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 2: type with a different skill set outside, and I think 722 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 2: we were able to supply that for him. 723 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 5: Another process question. You drafted younger players this year. Nate 724 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 5: Wiggins twenty years old, one, Rosegarten's twenty one. You've done 725 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 5: it since you've been GM. I mean, Kyle Hamilton is 726 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 5: a younger player. Patrick Queen was a younger player, Like, 727 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 5: is that is that a priority? And does that how 728 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 5: does that factor into the evaluation? 729 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 2: Well, I mean even even in Roquan. We traded for 730 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 2: Roquan one of the appealing things for me. I mean, 731 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 2: I hate to give up draft picks, but to get 732 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 2: a Pro Bowl linebacker who's twenty five or twenty six, Yeah, 733 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 2: and we got them. 734 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 3: Yeah uh yeah. 735 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 2: I mean so all the data that we use in 736 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 2: our models suggests that younger players, if you have two players, 737 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 2: go with the younger player, they have more upside, they 738 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,439 Speaker 2: develop more, and you know, I think I think there's 739 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 2: some I was actually the other day State of the Ravens. 740 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 2: I was outside and hanging out with some sweeth holders, 741 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,399 Speaker 2: and I was talking to one gentleman who's a psychologist, 742 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 2: psychiatrist maybe, and he was talking about how until if 743 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 2: you're a mail and you're you know, under the age 744 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 2: of twenty five, your brain hasn't really developed, which I know, 745 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 2: I have two sons. Any different personal experience, I have 746 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 2: one friends. I remember when I was twenty two and 747 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 2: twenty three. 748 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 3: Waiting for some of theion. 749 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 2: But you know, so your brain is not really fully 750 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 2: developed until you're twenty five. And I believe that and 751 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 2: so and I also know when you're younger. The data 752 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,280 Speaker 2: would suggest modelers, and you know, Derek would say as well, 753 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 2: younger players have a higher upside generally. So if you 754 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 2: have two players in the same bucket as players, and 755 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 2: one guy's twenty and one guy's twenty three, you have 756 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 2: to take the twenty year old because they have a 757 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 2: much better chance of being better than the twenty three 758 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 2: year old at some point in time. So that's by design, 759 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 2: I mean the models reflect that the model scores. If 760 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 2: you have two players that have exactly the same skill set, 761 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 2: they play exactly the same position. One guy's twenty five 762 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 2: one guys. Twenty the model is going to have the 763 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 2: twenty year old over the twenty five year old. 764 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna circle back real quick to the offensive line 765 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people were kind of 766 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 1: expecting us to take two, maybe even three offensive linemen. 767 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: You know, we took Nick in the in the seventh 768 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: round and center backup Tyler maybe play some So we 769 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: took two. 770 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 3: We took too so everybody expected and we did it 771 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 3: right exactly. 772 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: Also, what's your question in the offensive line rebuild, like 773 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: where do you feel like that stands now? And how 774 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: much did your two guard picks from last year. Were 775 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: they really a part of kind of that that rebuild 776 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: that you saw coming. 777 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, well yes, and we're excited about those two guys. 778 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 2: Andrew has really made remarkable strides coming off his knee injury. 779 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 2: He looks fantastic, one of the strongest guys on the team. 780 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 2: He's a really, really good player. Salah is a guy, 781 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 2: very gifted, excellent athlete. His challenge was to get stronger 782 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 2: in the offseason. I think he's doing that. We're excited 783 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 2: about both those guys. We didn't really take those guys 784 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 2: last year expecting them to play last year. So one 785 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 2: of my jobs as GM is to have a crystal 786 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 2: ball and to anticipate what the roster might look like 787 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 2: a year from now, two years from now, etc. So 788 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 2: those guys really kind of fit in I think, you know, 789 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,720 Speaker 2: and also you know, we'll make We've made some moves 790 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 2: and we signed Jones as an unrestricted free agent. Guy 791 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 2: that can play multiple spots, can play some guard, can 792 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 2: play some tackle, has played both left tackle, right tackle, 793 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 2: left right guard. You know, we have some players like 794 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 2: Ben Cleveland. We think he's up to the. 795 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 3: Task this year. 796 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 2: Pat McCarey has proven that he can play all those 797 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 2: different spots. I will continue to kind of look at 798 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 2: the field to see what's out there. With Samak, we 799 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 2: got a guy that can play center and potentially guard 800 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 2: as well. Excited about him. It's really really important for 801 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 2: us to have a backup, you know, center Last year 802 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 2: we had Mustafer, weren't able to bring him back this year. 803 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 2: But to have a guy that can back up and 804 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 2: snap in a pinch, I think is good. So we 805 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 2: did that, and like I always say, with that position group, 806 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,319 Speaker 2: it's something that we are aware of. 807 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 3: I think I'm happy. 808 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 2: Would I like to would I've liked to have taken 809 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 2: another guard Maybe, yeah, potentially, but that would have affected 810 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 2: what we did in the draft. It would have affected 811 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 2: other positions. And what I've always seen with need is 812 00:38:54,480 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 2: your needs change daily and that's why fundamentally, you know, 813 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 2: it's almost like dollar cost averaging with the market and 814 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 2: investing each month rather than trying. 815 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 3: To guess what the price of a stock is going 816 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 3: to be. 817 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 2: You're better off just in a lot of ways just 818 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 2: taking need out of the equation because it changes so much, 819 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 2: and just drafting best available player at any given point, 820 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,879 Speaker 2: and at some point that best available player becomes your need, 821 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 2: and when that happens, you're well protected. 822 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 5: Eric, You've said many times how much you love the draft, 823 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 5: like it's just one of the things that is, you know, 824 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 5: brings you great joy. And I think you've been in 825 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 5: charge of here for a long time. When you get 826 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 5: to make the phone call now to these prospects and 827 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 5: let them know they're being selected by the Ravens, is 828 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 5: that maybe the best part of your job. 829 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 2: I mean, it is a great part of the job. 830 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 2: I think that the best part of the job, though, 831 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 2: is is seeing the impact that these players have on 832 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 2: your team and your community long term. 833 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 3: And when I. 834 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 2: Look and see what a guy like Marshall Yanda brought 835 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 2: to Baltimore or Kyle Hamilton, guys like that, you know, 836 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 2: that's a powerful thing. When I go to the stadium 837 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 2: and I see Lamar Jackson jerseys everywhere, say Flowers jerseys, 838 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 2: I can't really I can't really express the joy that 839 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 2: brings when our fans, when my children look up to 840 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 2: these amazing players. When you see a guy like Brandon 841 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 2: Stevens that was a third round pick, transfer change positions, 842 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 2: when you see him become a lockdown corner last year 843 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 2: like he was, I can't express the joy that brings. 844 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 3: And when I. 845 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 2: See those guys in the community working with children, working 846 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 2: with nonprofits, improving our city, that's what it's all about. 847 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 2: So those calls are great. Those calls, that's the first step, 848 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 2: and they're amazing. But what these players end up doing 849 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 2: one long term surpasses that. 850 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 3: For sure. 851 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 1: I have one more process question for you. You know, 852 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: we just got such great value, especially there in the 853 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: fourth round, like you talked about with Tes and with TJ. Tampa. 854 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: When you get to those rounds, maybe it's a third 855 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: or the fourth Are you kind of looking for some 856 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: dumb reason that other teams maybe did pass on this guy? Right, 857 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: like like for Tz right, like the guy dropped two 858 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 1: balls all year and then set wins the Senior Bowl 859 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: and drop some balls or whatever. Right, TJ. Tampa was 860 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: an awesome corner press corner and he just ran a 861 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: little bit slower forty yard dash right Like are you 862 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: looking for like, yeah, of course you want to see 863 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: players do well at the Senior Bowl. We put a 864 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: lot of stock in the Senior Bowl, but he dropped 865 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 1: balls in it's own characteristic. Yeah, that's value. Do you 866 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: kind of look at those mid round picks that way? 867 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 2: Well, you're looking for traits, you're looking for knowledge, You're 868 00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 2: looking for opportunity. You're looking for skill, the personality, the drivers. 869 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 2: They got to play well on tape. You know, you 870 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 2: have to see that on tape. You have to see production. 871 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,800 Speaker 2: We've had a lot of success in the past with players. 872 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 2: I can just give you two names off the top, 873 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 2: Isaiah likely Kyle Hamilton, guys that didn't. 874 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,840 Speaker 3: Necessarily ace the workouts. 875 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 2: You know, Kyle didn't run super fast, Isaiah didn't run 876 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 2: super fast. On both cases, we were able to use 877 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 2: advanced analytics, data modeling. We knew that players were faster 878 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 2: than those times, and I think that the same all 879 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 2: It's true, you know with TJ. You know, we know 880 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 2: he's a we know he's a faster player, and so 881 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 2: from that standpoint, I think, yeah, we didn't see a 882 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,800 Speaker 2: lot of risk with him, the way that he plays, 883 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 2: his mentality, his coverability is length unusual to have a 884 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,320 Speaker 2: corner with that type of arm length and just size. 885 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,800 Speaker 2: You know, we think he's a proto typical press corner 886 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,400 Speaker 2: type of guy. Love his skill set and uh, you know, 887 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 2: as I said, player that we would have been very 888 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 2: comfortable taken on the second day. Have we not already 889 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 2: drafted a corner at that point in the second round, 890 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 2: in the in the fourth round, it would have been 891 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 2: irresponsible for us not to take him when he was 892 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 2: still there. 893 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 5: You had Michael Lias in the draft from Thursday night, 894 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 5: right for the Oriols. Was that kind of cool to 895 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,720 Speaker 5: have him? Look being part of that, I mean obviously 896 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,360 Speaker 5: not part of the process, but just kind of watching 897 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 5: on and you've gone into and watched their draft before too. 898 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: Right, you drafted Jackson Holiday, right, Yeah, I was there 899 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 1: for that. 900 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 3: I didn't draft, but you know I was. I was. 901 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 3: It was. 902 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 2: It was one of the highlights of my career was 903 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 2: being there that draft and just watching that process and 904 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 2: getting a chance to uh to uh to meet those guys. 905 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 3: I mean a little known fact. You know, Mike was. 906 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 2: A picture at Yale and uh, a pretty good picture 907 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 2: or the background. And so we had him evaluate all 908 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 2: the quarterbacks this year. Yeah, we had valued all the 909 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,359 Speaker 2: quarterbacks and he was looking at you know, throwing motion 910 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 2: and you know, can the guy drop down and do 911 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 2: all these different things with our mechanics and all that 912 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 2: kind of stuff and uh, and he came out of 913 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 2: it saying, you know what I think, I think Devin 914 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 2: Larry is the best guy. And so the fact that 915 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 2: Michael ias and and t you know both kind of 916 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 2: thought that for me was validation that hey, we might 917 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:21,879 Speaker 2: be onto something here. 918 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 4: That's cool. 919 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 920 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,440 Speaker 1: I mean Learry's arm is that's a special arm. 921 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 3: Yeah. 922 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:26,919 Speaker 4: I have a feeling here. 923 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 5: Wait, I have a feeling he's too gible. 924 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 3: I got you guys again, Listen, I was on it. 925 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: I was on it's got to the end without getting doped. 926 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 4: Listen. 927 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 5: Just as context here last year when Eric was on 928 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 5: the podcast after drafting Tavius Robinson. He told us a 929 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 5: whole story just like that, came up with it on 930 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,400 Speaker 5: the spot about how he was a hockey player, hockey. 931 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 4: Gowie, hockey Gowie. 932 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 5: And that's how we came out of the scene from 933 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,320 Speaker 5: Jerry Rossberg in Canada, you know, when he was a kid. 934 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 5: And before we started, we said, are you gonna have 935 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 5: any stories like that? Make he was, We're ready for it, 936 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 5: but still you bought a hook line, sinker. 937 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 4: He waited till the end, Michaelias that it. 938 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 2: Just came to me too, all of a sudden. You know, 939 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,399 Speaker 2: I just came off off the top. 940 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,319 Speaker 5: That's that's why you're you're a dangerous man around raft time, 941 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,399 Speaker 5: because if you can come up with those stories here 942 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 5: that quick, I don't know what other stories you're telling us. 943 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 3: Why my college buddies will call me a sociopath. 944 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 5: I didn't even want to know what stories you tell 945 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 5: our gms around the leak. 946 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,399 Speaker 3: Well, this was very fun. 947 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 4: Thank you very much for had get on a loan 948 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 4: note for me. 949 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: But thanks a lot, Eric, appreciate thank you, appreciate it. 950 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 3: Appreciate it. 951 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 5: Welcome back into the Latch podcast. 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You need be at least twenty one years 962 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 5: or older to play and physically present in Maryland. So 963 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 5: obviously great stuff from Eric. Highlight being that. 964 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,280 Speaker 4: He fools you again. I was. I was shocked. 965 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 5: I could just I could feel you buying it, and 966 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 5: I was like, he's not falling for it. 967 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 4: Oh, yes, he is falling for it. 968 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,279 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a very gullible person. 969 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. 970 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 4: You see the best in people I do. 971 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: I do and and like the journalist in me is like, 972 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: oh this is sick. I'm just eating this out. I'm 973 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: just I'm just eating that story up and then just 974 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: the rug pulled out from underneath. 975 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 5: Well, let's you know, I remember a journalist professor somewhere 976 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 5: along the lines script school journalists meet a little more 977 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 5: hard hitting journals. 978 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: But I'm sorry Maryland. 979 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:55,719 Speaker 5: The quote was trust but verify you trust, never verify. 980 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: I was gonna go to my sources and check on this. 981 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, but any good stuff was great. I mean, 982 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,359 Speaker 4: I love hearing the process stuff from him. 983 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 5: I think it's really interesting hearing just how thoughtful I 984 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 5: think that I think that Ravens fans will see and 985 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 5: watching or listening to the interview just how thoughtful and 986 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,880 Speaker 5: procedural and creative Eric is in terms of the entire operation. 987 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 5: And I think that he gives us a glimpse when 988 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 5: he sits down and does his interview with us every year. 989 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 5: And I hope that that's something that fans took away 990 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 5: from this conversation. 991 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, and some interesting little tidbits you know that they 992 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: were like seriously considering taking TJ Tampa. 993 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 4: They're in the third round and. 994 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 1: So, and kind of a little more details behind what 995 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 1: went into the Rose and Garten pick and almost almost 996 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: not getting their guy. So thank you Chiefs for backing 997 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 1: out of that trade. And uh yeah, just interesting end. 998 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 1: The big takeaway I helped us get Roger Rosegarten, So 999 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,839 Speaker 1: you're welcome, everybody. When Rosegarten's a pro bowler, Yeah, he's 1000 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: a stud, you're welcome. Yeah, it was all my mock drafts. Well, 1001 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: Ike Cole Jackson, I blame Cole. Cole put a lot 1002 00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,320 Speaker 1: of smoke around Kingsley. 1003 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,279 Speaker 5: And you were just that was really what your goal was. 1004 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,480 Speaker 5: That's the That's exactly that's what the team player. So 1005 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,880 Speaker 5: look up a team player, you know. I I I 1006 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,480 Speaker 5: will say, you know, I had to keep myself. I 1007 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,120 Speaker 5: should have done it, but I should have asked them 1008 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,160 Speaker 5: the Rashin Ali question. 1009 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 4: Yes that was my. 1010 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't want to rub it in. I had 1011 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,800 Speaker 5: enough of that, So I just get my shot in 1012 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,280 Speaker 5: there on that right now. But really enjoy the conversation 1013 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,720 Speaker 5: with Eric. Great stuff from him, and it's it's exciting 1014 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:24,880 Speaker 5: to be able to sit die on and talk with 1015 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,880 Speaker 5: him and just get a little bit more perspective on 1016 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:27,320 Speaker 5: the draft. 1017 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 4: And the rookies are here. 1018 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 5: They're in the building Rookie Mini Campus this weekend, so 1019 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,040 Speaker 5: we're going to get a first chance to kind of 1020 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 5: see these guys in the building and they're going to 1021 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 5: take the field. It's always a fun time for everybody 1022 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,960 Speaker 5: here when the rookies come in and it's just a 1023 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 5: kind of a jolt of energy. So as always, you 1024 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 5: can email us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL 1025 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:43,759 Speaker 5: dot net. 1026 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,160 Speaker 1: We're going to try to get some of the rookies 1027 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,760 Speaker 1: on the pod here. Yeah, so stay tuned. 1028 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 5: We're going to work on that, so, uh so stay 1029 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 5: tuned for that coming up soon. 1030 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:51,120 Speaker 4: So you can 1031 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,400 Speaker 5: Email us, thank you for listening, thank you for watching, 1032 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 5: and we will talk to you again soon