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Speaker 1: Boutlet Cam podcast special guests didn't here my guy, Swerve Strickland.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, his favorite guest, favorite guests. I have to be

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Speaker 2: the most favorite wrestling guest you have.

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Speaker 3: For sure, you definitely have that. He's like, first of all,

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Speaker 3: you're out here in the studio, you were working with

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Speaker 3: Max b.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't. That was in New York.

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Speaker 3: Oh that was in New York.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was in New York.

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Speaker 1: So what's what's First of all, I saw him yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I saw him on stage at Versus and he was

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Speaker 1: given the unk just got out of prison energy like

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Speaker 1: a motherfucker.

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Speaker 3: He was looking at girls in the crowd, flicker and

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Speaker 3: his tongue and I was like, what is going on?

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Speaker 2: I didn't get to see. I just saw the clips

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Speaker 2: of it. I was on a flight during the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: How was that like getting in the studio with him for.

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Speaker 2: Like, first of all, like I didn't even know he was,

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Speaker 2: Like I was in his radar like that. I got

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Speaker 2: kept getting tagged on Twitter when like he was doing

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Speaker 2: the interview from prison. Yeah, and he's like, I'm you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm swerving out here in the streets, man, Swerve Strickland.

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Speaker 2: I'm like the hell's he know who I am? Right?

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Speaker 2: So like that kind of got popped and got everything

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Speaker 2: going on in social space. And then like as soon

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Speaker 2: as he's out, like that same interview started like swirling again.

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Speaker 2: And then so my girl Rosie was just like walking

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Speaker 2: through the airport. She was about to fly to Orlando,

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Speaker 2: and she's like, I think I see Max b over there.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna say what's up? And I'm on

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Speaker 2: FaceTime and she's just like, He's like, Yo, swerve, what's good? Yo?

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Speaker 2: When we gonna make something happen? Was I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 2: on you whenever your time, your time, And so he

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Speaker 2: was coming back from vacation. I got back from vacation.

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Speaker 2: I was like, we blocked it out with our teams,

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Speaker 2: New York. And sure enough he was. He was on

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Speaker 2: time too, punctual.

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Speaker 3: Was he was?

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Speaker 2: He watching the show in jail? I believe, So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's the only way he could have you about. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but he was.

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Speaker 3: He was.

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Speaker 2: He was tapped in. He's like like, I like the talkers, man,

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Speaker 2: I like the ship talkers. I love the people that talk.

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Speaker 2: They ship Man. Of course, y'all get down, y'all get

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Speaker 2: great energy. We was in the studio all day, but

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Speaker 2: like he did like three hours, did.

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Speaker 3: Two tracks with me fire. Yeah. Are you you're still independent?

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Speaker 2: Ye? You're running in yep, But I'm under I'm right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm working with principal group principal shout out Sean. Yeah, Sean,

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Speaker 2: he's been. He was responsible for working on the project

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Speaker 2: with Jay Z on American Gangster Album and stuff, so

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Speaker 2: we're working together with him. He's like very motivating and

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Speaker 2: on just anybody in the studio. He's like blocking out

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Speaker 2: I'm there, I'm on time, working, I'm writing, I'm putting

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Speaker 2: stuff together, and i think we're doing really well together.

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Speaker 2: That's where the ray kwan uh stup setup came from,

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Speaker 2: because it's they're working with mass Appeal. Yeah. So Sean's

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Speaker 2: working with mass Appeal. Yeah and Boom all these partnerships

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Speaker 2: and all that stuff for the Mob Deep thing. The

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Speaker 1: Does that like cause you're you're pretty new to rapping

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Speaker 1: still like six seven years. I'm saying like, if you

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Speaker 1: you get like nervous?

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Speaker 2: So I was talking about like like I wrote my

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Speaker 2: was I did. I laid all my vocals first, and

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Speaker 2: like from all the years of like me getting on

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Speaker 2: records with like Mickey FATX, John Connors and Benny the Butchers.

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Speaker 2: These are like lyrical bitters, you know, like that kind

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Speaker 3: What has been going on? You haven't been on TV recently?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I just got back like two weeks ago. Okay,

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Speaker 2: like a couple it's like a couple of promo packages.

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Speaker 3: You took, you took some time off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, it was like it was like not long.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like the a W heat is on.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's hot right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It is a great alternative product to the status quo

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Speaker 3: that has been less than appealing recently.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's interesting because like there's the pocket of

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Speaker 1: My wife, I took my wife to the Crypto uh

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Speaker 1: PI review that you you wrestle?

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Speaker 3: Who'd you wrestled?

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Speaker 2: Again?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And my wife she is not a wrestling fan.

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Speaker 2: She retarded.

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Speaker 1: Like she me and my kids be watching it on

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Speaker 3: Locked in and she's like, I don't what the fuck

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Speaker 2: She was in it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, man, believe some of the ship that was

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Speaker 4: happening this this shows I love, especially pay per view

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Speaker 1: But I feel like he shows, like the Dynamite shows

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like but like pay per views, I like

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Speaker 3: So if you're not a part of what's going on.

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Speaker 2: is Ben and Jerry's different This is like basking robins,

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Speaker 2: This is like dairy queen. You're getting is so now

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Speaker 2: like what you're getting from both wrestling. Actually, I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: say both. I say alla and there. I'll throw TNA

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Speaker 2: You're getting all these different things. So it's not a

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Speaker 1: I saw the meltzer dude describe it pretty accurately. He

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's really unfair to not only just like

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Speaker 2: the wrestling landscape, it's unfair to yourself to go out

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Speaker 3: You can't compare them.

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Speaker 2: Your criticisms are now Nolan void because now you're basing

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Speaker 2: ninety six Bulls to the Golden State Warriors of twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 3: If you're a basketball fan, you could have appreciated the

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Speaker 3: Showtime Lakers and the Bad Boy Pistons for different reasons.

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Speaker 2: For very different region.

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Speaker 3: I they're both playing.

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Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care what's better. I know

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Speaker 1: and there were TNA and AW Talent that were booked,

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Speaker 3: Does everybody know what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Like I was, I was. I was like yeah,

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Speaker 2: chain till some body comes down. And that's why card

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Speaker 2: So I don't like it's unfortunate, but that's just the

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Speaker 1: It's just you're as big as you've been in over

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you don't want to jeopardize that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that symbiotic relationship with like, you know, Trick Williams

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Speaker 2: Man, he's all like and like I said, like his

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Speaker 1: Now I feel like he's the kind of guy too

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Speaker 2: effect I see with Javan. You know, Oba like showing

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Speaker 2: We want to see him. We want to see him. Big.

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Speaker 2: Perception is everything. May put him in the main events.

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Speaker 2: Perception is everything. People will buy it, but you got

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Speaker 2: People will buy into it. The more you do it,

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Speaker 3: Because at the end of the day, if you book

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Speaker 2: He said the same thing to Mellow in his interview.

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Speaker 2: To finish one, Yeah, we're the ones that were too

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Speaker 1: I want to know you've you did a pretty good

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Speaker 2: that's a great trade. So now it's swing the pendulum,

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Speaker 2: That's how it feels organic. It's like, oh, we're not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because he wasn't doing too much. He did a

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Speaker 2: Fans took to YACHTI. So like, okay, that's stuck. That

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like last year, that was the right amount of Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I promise you it's gonna cook.

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00:20:58,520 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 3: It's gonna fuck.

434
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 1: And I was there at SmackDown in Phoenix and I

435
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 1: heard him having these convos with certain people at WWE

436
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 1: and they still decided to And like, if you're him,

437
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, man, if you're gonna push me into

438
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 1: the main event at WrestleMania, I'm not gonna say no,

439
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 1: but I don't think people are gonna.

440
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 3: And then to me, it wasn't even him so much

441
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,479
Speaker 3: that like the McAfee thing was like it was just weird.

442
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 3: It just made no sense.

443
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 1: You had the guy like Randy on the phone talk

444
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 1: about it more than one family and w and I'm like,

445
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 1: is it gonna be Teddybiassi Junior.

446
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 3: I just didn't get the McAfee thing.

447
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: I think the McAfee thing kind of blew up the

448
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: narrative of like the celebrity shit being too much because

449
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 1: the McAfee thing was like, Bro, Randy and Cody haven't

450
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: even cut a promo on each other yet I know,

451
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: and that first night at SmackDown when he when he

452
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: flipped and beat the shit out of Cody.

453
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 3: I was there front row and Jelly got involved and

454
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 3: like because he was in the building, it was they

455
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 3: caught the ark, right, you know, he didn't.

456
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 1: Catch Rko then, but but that the fans were in.

457
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's how you create a main event. You

458
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 1: turn Randy heel and he's got blood on the title.

459
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: And it wasn't it wasn't difficult, it wasn't too crazy,

460
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 2: it wasn't too over like it's the it's.

461
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: The you don't have to reinvent the wheel. It's almost

462
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: like the punk Roman thing was just old school. There

463
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: was no antics involved and it was just.

464
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 2: The family, just the families that motherfuckers just talked ship

465
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 2: about and then guess what that Guess how it ended.

466
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: They wrestled all time all time Wrestlmania match. I think

467
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 2: I think it's the top five for sure. Top five.

468
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that shi it was.

469
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 2: I want to that's what we're like, Like you could

470
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 2: tell like Punk worked hard. No, he got himself in

471
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: hard for that, like to prepare for it and then

472
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 2: to perform. He worked hard and That's where I feel like,

473
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: that's why it's like like Roman's Roman was going to

474
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 2: be Yeah, he's an alien, but like I feel like

475
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: Punk worked hard for that and that's why I got

476
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: the reception did Yeah, And like I feel like just

477
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: the storytelling where like he tried to hit him with

478
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: one more GTS and you know, he got called old

479
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 2: and he fell.

480
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 3: Out, and I was like, oh, this is the best

481
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 3: it gets. You are friends with Kofi and Xavier.

482
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 2: Yeah.

483
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of obviously for people who don't

484
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: know that, there's a lot of cuts from WWE. They

485
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 1: were the I would say the headline of the cuts, well,

486
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: I guess they decided.

487
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even call them a cut. They were like.

488
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah when they got hit with whatever the new stipulations

489
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: where they're like, we'd rather.

490
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 2: Just go yeah they know, which I'm honestly happy because

491
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 2: that that still shows how their value they They they

492
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: could say no and they still can walk out like

493
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, They're not leaving like looking.

494
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: Like not you know no, I mean look, one of

495
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: the greatest tag teams of all time. New Day is

496
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: one of the best factions ever. There's a lot of speculation.

497
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 1: A lot of fans want to see them end up

498
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: in AW.

499
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's a lot of rustlers. I want to

500
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: see them in AW.

501
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 3: Have you had any conversations with them since.

502
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 2: I talked to him the same day, you know, like

503
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: Covie took like another day to get back to me.

504
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: But like they're in the high spirits, They're motivated, they're happy.

505
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: I feel like they have the ball in their court,

506
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 2: which is what they always wanted. They have their ball

507
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 2: in the court, and they honestly feel like they can

508
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 2: control their own narrative. And Xavier's really good at that. Yes,

509
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: Xavier is really good at controlling the narrative. Kofe is

510
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 2: walking free agent the first time in his whole career.

511
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been there, I think eights.

512
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: Eighteen years first time in his whole career, which he

513
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: was a he was a Hall of Famer like five

514
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 2: years five six years ago, five six years ago. He

515
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: was a Hall of Famer then. And then add the

516
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: world title match on top of that. He's the he's

517
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: the only black wrestler to ever win the world title

518
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: at Mania. He's the only one that's something that he

519
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,959
Speaker 2: can't take that you can't take away from him. You can't.

520
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: You can't. Never had any negative press on him, never

521
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: had any issues, never any like suspensions, never finds, never

522
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: any of this. So he's walking out a role model

523
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: to a whole generation of kids. There's like I was

524
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 2: saying this before, like there's an archetype around Kofe. Oh

525
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 2: that's the koffee spot, that's the you get to do

526
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: the kofee moment in Mania, the koffee rumble spot in

527
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 2: the in money in the bank that you get the koffee.

528
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 3: There's an archetype all these crazy spots, every whatever.

529
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: Like it was almost like you were waiting, like all right,

530
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: how's he going to not get eliminated this year?

531
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 2: Like I said, he inspired me to try to like

532
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: not recreate but had like like his koffee with something.

533
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 2: It's like, man, I would I would hope in my

534
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: care I can do something close to something similar like

535
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 2: that and that like I was able to win the

536
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: world title, you know, a dynasty in twenty twenty four.

537
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 2: But it's like, man, I feel like this some of

538
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: this has to go to Kofe because it's like once

539
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: again manipulation, seeing is believing this doesn't is impossible unless

540
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: you see Kofe doing this first for the world to

541
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: see that it is possible, you know.

542
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: I saw it's influence some tweets going around that we're saying,

543
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: obviously there's a lot of great black wrestlers all time,

544
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: but that he's the greatest black wrestler ever.

545
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: It's a it's argument to be had.

546
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: I feel like it's, you know, obviously that Mark Henry

547
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: got him. There's you know, but he's like you said,

548
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: and I think like too, Like I don't know, man,

549
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody's like like, every once in

550
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: a while you'll see some shit get over with the

551
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: fans like that, like the way the New Days. It's

552
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: like Dan Housen's like New Day right now.

553
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, the bootyos D Cereal Cereal. They were in Gears

554
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 2: of War the video game. They were like some of

555
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: the best en Ring World champions out of that faction.

556
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: I feel like they were doing.

557
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: Like the way they do the theme the themes with

558
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: their costumes is like kind of like what you do,

559
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: Like we will come out and.

560
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: You'll be like, oh, this is a twer the Creator

561
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 3: theme or the Predator, Yeah whatever.

562
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 2: I was just saying that I was like, yeah, they

563
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: made it okay to be yourself. Yeah, they're like, you know,

564
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: take who you are, Like they say the black nerd like,

565
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: uh fandom, that's a real subculture in anime and all

566
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 2: that stuff, and like, you know, so they're the ones

567
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: that like put that out there, like no, we like pancakes,

568
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 2: we like freaking dragon ball Z, we like a street fighter.

569
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 2: We dressed like this, we like this. I'm like, yeah,

570
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: that's cool. I like that. I feel cool to express

571
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: myself like that too. And he was showing like our culture,

572
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: that's okay, that's a good thing.

573
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 3: Then versus the young bucks would go crazy. Man, we

574
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 3: go crazy.

575
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 2: Let me say, I already got that conversation started. I

576
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: already got that crazy that I'm like. And then it'll

577
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: be like, first like, this is the two greatest tag

578
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: teams of of a generation. Yeah, I think you got

579
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: you gotta just you gotta respect, you gotta respect the

580
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: Husso's in there too, Husso's Hussos. I feel like usso's

581
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 2: are more catered towards FTR.

582
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 3: That's fair, that's fair.

583
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: I've always felt like that.

584
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: I just feel like they carried the division for a

585
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: chunk of a time and they've always something. I mean,

586
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: they're still both relevant and obviously you go into this

587
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: solo stuff, but I definitely think there's like those three

588
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: or four in the last.

589
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: You know, but the new day, I feel like they

590
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: they were. Man, that'll be crazy though, So I want

591
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: to talk to you, Uh, what are your thoughts.

592
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: On aw potentially not having a TV deal and going

593
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: to YouTube because I saw that headline that when he said, hey,

594
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: we might have YouTube as the backup plan.

595
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are your thoughts on? I feel like like

596
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: having this discussion four years ago maybe would have concerned

597
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: me a little bit more. But after t N T

598
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: TBS and.

599
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 3: A triple a's on YouTube.

600
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. And but like after the success of

601
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: like HBO Max and everything like that, No.

602
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: It made dude, HBO Max made it possible for me

603
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: to watch every week exactly.

604
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: After all these things, all the like the levels that

605
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,959
Speaker 2: we keep jumping and all that stuff, I wouldn't be concerned.

606
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: I feel like Tony's made such great connections with all

607
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: the higher ups. I feel like we've gotten incredible praise

608
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: and support with like wbd DC and all these things

609
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: that there is a market for all the wrestling and

610
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: professional wrestling under the Paramount brand, you know when that

611
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: happens and stuff. So I feel like TK is very

612
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: three steps ahead on that, and I like those were

613
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: one of those things that you just gotta trust. Like

614
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: what we do like this is we gotta trust like

615
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: who we are, we gotta trust where TKO's mindset for this,

616
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: like that has grown exponentially in the last seven months,

617
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: seven years of doing this. The reputation that precedes us

618
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: and all of EA wrestling and it's all about what

619
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: the fans want is I feel like this is something

620
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: about the fans can really be the support system behind that,

621
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: and the more vocal they are and the more like

622
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: they come to these shows and the more like that's

623
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: what drives these TV deals to like really like, okay,

624
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: this is a slam dunk now. So and it's like

625
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: I saw a report like a twelve to sixteen months out.

626
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's a that's a long time.

627
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: No pulled some shit in like three months.

628
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: Well, I think they were speculating that like TKO's relationship

629
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 1: with Paramount and obviously there's all this like everyone's getting

630
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: consolidated by the Ellison.

631
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I just I just wonder, like.

632
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: I've heard that he's has a solid like t k

633
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: has a solid relationship with Elison.

634
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: Do you feel like.

635
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: Tony Khan's pettiness has hurt him at all? Because I

636
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: was at the store, the only NFL team that didn't

637
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: have a belt.

638
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: Was the Jaguars. Petty motherfucker?

639
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: Has it hurt him? M M? I don't think so, because,

640
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: like I think there was things that like that were

641
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: being said on TV years ago that were way worse,

642
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: way more I would say if we would have said

643
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: that in the position where are now way more damaging.

644
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: For sure, Yeah, but also there's these things that people

645
00:31:54,480 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: don't forget. And but to say he's like the pettiness

646
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: has hurt him, I don't believe so. I don't believe so,

647
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: because there's always going to be a need for someone

648
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: like a Tony conn in disposition that's always going to

649
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: be like that's always there's always going to be a

650
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: need for that. We don't know the people, the deep

651
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: people that are behind Ellison that Tony's like those You

652
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: don't know how deep these relationships really go. That's a

653
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: circle of money that like that that goes beyond Twitter

654
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: discussion that goes beyond like a newspaper ad that goes

655
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: beyond like even talking on CNN, Like you don't know

656
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: like how deep these relationships can go back, because there's

657
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: always something that Tony can offer, something that can just

658
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: like hm, hm, you know what, whatever issues or pettiness

659
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: we've had before, we can be in that. That doesn't matter.

660
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: We can continue business with this.

661
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask because I was, uh, you know,

662
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes we'll see people get booked in

663
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: ways that have long term ramifications and and and one

664
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: of the examples I can think of is I'm watching

665
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: this Adam Hangman Page m jf Uh yeah, I don't

666
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: know about that in l A and uh, what do

667
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: you'all call it?

668
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: Texas Deathmatch? Yeah, I mean it is. It was crazy.

669
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: It was a man, it was wild.

670
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 3: But the stipulation was that Hangman Page can no longer

671
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: pursue the belt ever. Again.

672
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: It helps me out, But I'm just wondering, like, Hangman

673
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 2: Page is one of the faces of the company, and

674
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: does that kind of like hinder one of the biggest

675
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: faces of the company.

676
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 5: Theoretically, Yeah, because now you can never be in the

677
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 5: title is the same thing that happened with Cody, so

678
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 5: keeps that kind of like lore alive in the aw

679
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 5: zeitgeist of this whole thing that's happened in the day.

680
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's honestly what makes Hangman's story that much more.

681
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: You have to pay more attention to you know what

682
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: I mean. It's now It's not just like because I'll

683
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: say this wrestling fans, we got to decide what we're

684
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 2: valuing more when we're watching characters or stories or matches.

685
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: Are we valuing booking more? Are we valuing story? So

686
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: what I mean by that is sometimes to tell a

687
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: great story, you have to sacrifice good booking to tell

688
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: a great story to pay off later on. That's like,

689
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: that's that would be like if you're watching a movie like, oh,

690
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: the hero always saves the girl, Well the girl dies

691
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 2: thirty minutes in what what That's not good writing? That's

692
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: not good writing. I'm like, well, the story's not finished.

693
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 2: So if you sacrifice that and then the story plays

694
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: out in the end the way the story was properly

695
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: supposed to be written, and you get a great finish,

696
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: or it doesn't. Even nowadays, I wouldn't even say movies.

697
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: I would say series is Now because now characters are

698
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: coming back season three or season four for sure in

699
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 2: series is Now, and so that character comes back season

700
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: four whatever. That finishes the story. So you got to

701
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: sacrifice sometimes good booking or good structurally writing like cinema

702
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: and stuff to tell the good story. And fans are

703
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: clashing with that. That's like the same thing of like

704
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: what's more important? Promos are wrestling? Well, you need both,

705
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: you need both, you need both, but sometimes you gotta

706
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: sacrifice a good match to tell a good have a

707
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: good promo. Sometimes you got to go the other way around. Yeah,

708
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: So right now we're sacrificing booking for the long term

709
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: story of Hangman page and how that being written? I

710
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 2: don't know. How would I do it? I don't know

711
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: because it's not my story. How would how?

712
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: How?

713
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 2: Like would you? What is it smart to do this? Well?

714
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: Probably not theoretically, no, Like structurally it's no. I wouldn't

715
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: do it. That's dumb. We've seen that happen before and

716
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 2: it wouldn't work out. But once again, this isn't our story.

717
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: So like you have to sacrifice good bookings sometimes to

718
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: ultimately finish out the good story and character art for

719
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: certain characters. Sometimes it's an exception. There's an exception to

720
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 2: the rule. This might Hangman Page so many times has

721
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: been the exception to the rule in AW countless times,

722
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: especially with like dark Order and lower and like being

723
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: the cowboy in the stadium stampede and the drinking and

724
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: then me and him like.

725
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: Drinking blood off your face.

726
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: Exception to the rule. You know, He's like I got

727
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: cheered for entering his house where the exception and burning

728
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 2: my house down. There's exceptions hang in Page throughout all

729
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: of AW history has always been an exception to the rule.

730
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: And so I feel like, coming on on the other

731
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: side of that, he's gonna still be that exception to

732
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: the rule. Me and him being a tag team was

733
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: the exception to the rule of how structurally booking heels

734
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 2: and babyfaces are supposed to go. But we I play

735
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: into a lot of exceptions to the rule in a

736
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: lot of ways too.

737
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: Do you enjoy because I feel like you're kind of

738
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: always a tweener in terms of whether you're a or

739
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 1: a bad guy, Like you very much like walk the line,

740
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: you know, But do you which side of the coin

741
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: do you enjoy being on?

742
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 3: More? Being a heel or being a babyface.

743
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: Whatever tells the best story.

744
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 3: But like you, you gotta kind of like there's not like.

745
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: Okay to me. I don't have that side. I have motive.

746
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 2: I have motive that takes me where I go, and

747
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 2: my motive tells you what I'm about, and you'll feel

748
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: that like me and Kenny was, guess what my motive is.

749
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: You're a bad guy?

750
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I feel like that I should have cooked

751
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: longer though Nay.

752
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 3: I feel like that's one thing about aw.

753
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: They be getting in and out of shit too quick,

754
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: so I'd be like, wait a minute, this is like

755
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: a two week thing.

756
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,920
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757
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,600
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Speaker 1: You were saying that if you aren't a part of

790
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Speaker 1: the show, you're just watching it as a fan, you

791
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: don't want to know what's going on. Yeah, so you

792
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: see MJF drop his belt to Darby Allen. This was

793
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: the talk of the business. Everybody was like, what the fuck.

794
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: MJF is on a run.

795
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: Aw, he feels like it's so hot and he's you

796
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: know the guy.

797
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: What is your reaction, just because I'm sure you don't

798
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 3: feel like that, you know that was happening.

799
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: No, No, I feel like there could have been more

800
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 2: done for Darby for that moment.

801
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: Me personally, Yeah, Like it was almost so out of

802
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: nowhere that like it was like it didn't I mean,

803
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: I think they do.

804
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: I feel here's the thing. I feel like it anchored

805
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 2: Darby a little bit too much because we're also watching

806
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: MJF go forty six minutes and the Texas Deathmatch. We're

807
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: also watching him go thirty eight minutes with Kenny Omega.

808
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm not saying Darby's not qualified to

809
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 2: compete with that, but you got to make Darby qualified

810
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: to compete like that, And I feel like they didn't

811
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: do him a favor with that. But Darby is so

812
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 2: talented that now his run is making.

813
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: Up for it. It's been great.

814
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's so talented.

815
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: He's like dangling the carrot and like the new thing

816
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: is like you're gonna have to shave your head.

817
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think people care about his hair

818
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: like that, but whatever, but it's once again, it's I

819
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: think Darby is just so undeniably talented. He can make

820
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: everything feel more important, like he like he just had

821
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: he just killed it with Kevin Knight and I was

822
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: about to go this Saturday, I guess pack which is

823
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: in Wednesday, possibly against Okada. So like who's set in

824
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: his their schedules up to go like that on TV.

825
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: He's that he's just so undeniably talented that you can't like,

826
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: you can't like it's undeniable.

827
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: You take crazy bumps all the time in your matches.

828
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: Not all the time, but a lot of times. You

829
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: take some crazy ship. That dude does it.

830
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: Every time every time. Yeah, my car, my card is

831
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 2: way more stamped, like because of the longevity of it,

832
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: Like I took scaffold bumps and falls and stuff, you know,

833
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: back in CZW. You know. But Darby he always feels

834
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: like he had a he had he had a real

835
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: good realization. And I was like, I didn't think about

836
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: but only in the Darby's type way. Would you ever

837
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: think about this? All these guys are going to do

838
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: all this crazy ship on the pay per views. I

839
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 2: gotta get this ship out on TV.

840
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 3: So I was like on Wednesday, Yeah, you know what,

841
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: You're right right.

842
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: So still it gets to this pay per views where

843
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 2: all the crazy shit is really going to happen all night.

844
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: He's going to get it every week. So I'm like, Okay,

845
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: what are.

846
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: Your thoughts Because you have a guy like Dan Housen

847
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: who was at AW and didn't wrestle.

848
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: I don't think he ever wrestled at AW.

849
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: I think he's had a Battle Royal and he had

850
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: another match or something.

851
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: Like that to see him go to and he's been

852
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: killing I remember I first met him when we were

853
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: at Comic Con.

854
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was, he was signing. I think I met him.

855
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: I was with you, Yeah, I think so, because he

856
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: had I never really had a relationship with him. I

857
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: didn't really like, I didn't have any ill will I

858
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: guess him or anything like that. But it's just never

859
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: we never really clicked.

860
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 3: Like I wonder what your thoughts is.

861
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: Just seeing somebody who is like an indies guy, indie

862
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: guy who's kind of created this thing and it's been

863
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: a thing, and it's it's working at a level that

864
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: like I don't think anybody saw him.

865
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: I just don't like it's it's so happy for him.

866
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: I just don't want them to burn him out so

867
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: quick before the year is over.

868
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they are doing that.

869
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'm like, no, you got to cherish

870
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 2: this whole lot of Dan House. Yeah, it's a lot

871
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: and both shows. Yeah, So like he's busy. He is busy,

872
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: he's moving, he's at the he's at the headquarters, he's

873
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 2: at Missus House, he's a SmackDown, he's with stephen A. Smith.

874
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's a lot of Dan housing, and congrats

875
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: to him. You shouldn't say no to all those opportunities.

876
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 2: Take them. But man, I want to see these opportunities

877
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: still happening in five years, three years, next year. I

878
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: want to see these opportunities still happening for you in growing,

879
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: you know. I like I want him to be a

880
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: meme that you can pop in on, like you know,

881
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: like he's already happening, but like, no, he's a mean Yeah,

882
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: he's always been one, but like but it's it's like

883
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 2: now it's a different level. I want to I want

884
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 2: I want to like cherish that rather than just be

885
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 2: like a flash. And he owns all his trademarks smart man,

886
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: which is awesome, but like he found he found the

887
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 2: flavor of ice crea that it works with the fans

888
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: are consuming very well. When the best wrestling experience I've

889
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 2: ever had was watching the anarchy in the Arena last Yeah,

890
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 2: that was that was a concert of the concert match,

891
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: one of the craziest.

892
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: I mean, that is the craziest wrestling event. I mean

893
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: it was that and then WrestleMania forty Uh, you know

894
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: the Avengers end.

895
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: After us you got hang Man and well.

896
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: But but I don't think you understand Anarchon and the Arena.

897
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: I didn't watch I never saw it on TV, but

898
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: I was.

899
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 3: In the building.

900
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you guys are getting ready to do that match,

901
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: because the amount of craziness and like insane on point

902
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: spots people were hitting simultaneously all over the place. Yeah,

903
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: while Drowning Pool is playing. I mean, because how how

904
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: how much of that to you guys? Like obviously everybody

905
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: has to go over their matches beforehand. Do you guys

906
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 1: meet up and figure out like what's that meeting with prior.

907
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like you walk around the arena and say,

908
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: who I like, I like this?

909
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So honestly, we only had one meeting that

910
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: was the night before and while the rain is empty,

911
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 2: and like we're just kind of like painting the picture.

912
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: First off, the bucks they hate. The year before that

913
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: was like twenty four. Yeah, that was in Vegas where

914
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: Darby sent wasn't name of fire, so they said putting

915
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: that together was a nightmare. And it's West Coast time,

916
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: so you got like this kind of window for the people.

917
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: They start put letting people in the doors, so you

918
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: can't really like, let me go see I think camp

919
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 2: doors are open, fans are here. I'm like, so now

920
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: you gotta wing it. So hopefully what you had you

921
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: thought of is still there. If it's not, I don't

922
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: know what you do. So they like Matt was like,

923
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: I promise I'll never do one of these again. I'll

924
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: never do one of these matches again. And then when

925
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: we started our story and everything, we started getting there

926
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 2: and we started getting closer to it. We saw all

927
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 2: the elements we had at play as far as like

928
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: people in the match, it was like, I think we

929
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: could do something cool. Here we have a chance, like

930
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 2: especially adding and Willow and Marina to really switch up

931
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: the dynamics. I'm like, oh, we can have some real fun.

932
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: Then Kenny got involved in Moxley and Joe. Then you

933
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: had Hobbs coming in like you had. I'm like, we

934
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 2: got a lot of great like elements, and then Shabata.

935
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: It was so we had so many real cool like

936
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: because it was just like spots, we had characters to

937
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: really play with and like, we have a lot of

938
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: characters and mixed stories we can really mix up and

939
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 2: have fun with. And I think that's where like, that's

940
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 2: honestly where I felt like the shift in a w

941
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: we got that momentum back. It was after that match

942
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: because everybody was so unselfish. Everybody's like Moxley I was

943
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: like hey Max, can you take Staples, Like yeah yeah.

944
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: From Marina, I was like okay, cool, And I was

945
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: like Matt was like, hey, Willa pick me up for

946
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: the tombstone. We'll do the thing. And then like Claul,

947
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: he was like yeah, get me on this. Joe's like yeah,

948
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: I'll take this. Kenny was like yeah, I'll take this

949
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: dump into the table.

950
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: And your idea to take the staple in your tongue.

951
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 3: That's how you pay off in the spot.

952
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, does it hurt because you kept it in for

953
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: a while. It's on stage and the tongue it was

954
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: still in there.

955
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 3: So it's I.

956
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: Don't, I don't think about it, just do it so

957
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: before I forget and think that I don't want to do.

958
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 3: Still, and then you had, you had all the fun

959
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 3: you had yours come out when you disappeared, when you

960
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 3: disappeared and came back with the fork lin and you

961
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 3: jumped down like the dark Knight.

962
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 2: Yeah dog, oh my god, that's what I'm saying. It's

963
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 2: like then like Willow got her ear keep pad locked

964
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: into a chain on the steps, so the cramp crowds

965
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: were chating, please help Willow, Please help Willow. So it's

966
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: like we had so many elements and ideas to play with.

967
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: It became fun. And then everybody was so unselfish. Nobody

968
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: felt like I don't I'll look stupid or I'm too

969
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: like a character, like oh, that's gonna kill my. Everybody

970
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: was like, let's just go, and we all were laughing,

971
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: putting it together. We were cracking jokes. Moxley was so

972
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: loose and just having fun, like there's the Moxley we love.

973
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: There's like it's like everybody was like, we're back to

974
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 2: our friends and brothers. And the girls weren't nervous. They

975
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: were like ready. They were actually like cause when you

976
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 2: put the intergender sometimes like it can be nerve wrecking

977
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: for a lot of people. They were like, yeah, I'm ready,

978
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: let's have fun. Marina looked like a g Willow and

979
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: Hobbs stepped up like crazy. You know. Everybody was just

980
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: proud of everybody else else's performance, you know, and like

981
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: me getting the pen at the end, I'm like, look

982
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,959
Speaker 2: at all these main inventors like Kenny and all this stuff,

983
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 2: and then like get the pine, you know, and which

984
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: led to all.

985
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: In did you guys get back on the other side

986
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: of the curtain and just everybody be like, wow, did

987
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: it feel it was?

988
00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: We felt like we were like we did because like

989
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: when all these pieces is all these camera cuts, so

990
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: you got to make sure so and so fall through

991
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: table to get ready for Willow to come out do

992
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: this and so good. Yeah, and then like Claudia and

993
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: Samoa Joe go all the way out of the building

994
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 2: to the front like like fountain and then Shabata and

995
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: Uda are like in the back and he's putting a

996
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 2: barberire thing around his foot and kicking them and putting

997
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: them in a trash can. So we got to make

998
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: sure like, Okay, that spot's done, the camera's cut back. Okay,

999
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: we're here in the camera in the middle of the ring,

1000
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: and we gotta do this live live. Everything has to

1001
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: be forward motion. You can't like the second somebody does this,

1002
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: it messes up the next thing, which messes up the

1003
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: next thing. Now everybody's like it's a domino effect. It's

1004
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 2: so rare that everything went boom boom boom room Like

1005
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 2: Kenny Moon salt off the balcony onto everybody, Kenny's health

1006
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 2: we're worried about, Oh my god is and when w

1007
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: Angel off the stage exploding the table. Yeah, it's just

1008
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: so many different elements in so many different ways for

1009
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: something to go wrong that didn't. So we were just

1010
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 2: like we had fun though, but it was it was

1011
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: a blast. Aw's the only place you can have something

1012
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: like that.

1013
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 3: I saw. There's some reports and obviously who knows, you know,

1014
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 3: Twitter wrestling.

1015
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: Twitter gets shipped wrong all the time. But Alistair Black

1016
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: negotiating to possibly come back to AW I thought that

1017
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: was like, hmm, like that was.

1018
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.

1019
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: I think I saw like Sean Ross sapp report that

1020
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: that was a false so false, okay, okay, So I'll

1021
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: just leave that to the reports. Yeah.

1022
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 3: I just wonder, like, when you see somebody leave and.

1023
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: Like a year later they get released, do you like

1024
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: is it like well you like I kind of feel

1025
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: like if I was Tony Kahn, I'd be like, hey man.

1026
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 3: You chose.

1027
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: I just hope that Alistair I'll speak to. I hope

1028
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: Tommy finds what he's looking for in this industry this

1029
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: part of his career.

1030
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 3: I know his wife is incredible too, that.

1031
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: Both very talented, incredible people, incredible talents in itself. I

1032
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 2: just hope they find something that gives them the type

1033
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 2: of I don't know what it is that he's really

1034
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 2: whatever it is, I hope there's they find someplace that

1035
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 2: gives them that. Yeah, you know what I mean, because

1036
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 2: he has so many great ideas. He's one of the

1037
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: guys that got me in NXT, like him talking with

1038
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: Terry Taylor and is like, this is a guy you

1039
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: got to watch out for and he did tape Stays

1040
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: with him in twenty seventeen. You know, my last indie

1041
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: run I was he was the guy I was going to.

1042
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: So he really helped my mind a lot at that

1043
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: stage in my career. So I just hope like he

1044
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: finds the place that gives him whatever it is that

1045
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: can fulfill him in the industry again.

1046
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like too with like Zelina.

1047
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's it sucks when like there's like

1048
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: a couple because it feels like, no matter what, when

1049
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: they become a TV prom together, now they're kind of

1050
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: tied to each other, Yelena.

1051
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 3: I feel like at Backlash in Puerto Ricano, perto.

1052
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: Rico is like I'm like, oh my god, yeah, I'm

1053
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 2: saying yeah.

1054
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: So I don't know, man, it's definitely. Do you feel

1055
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: like the industry is changing for the good or the

1056
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: better right now? Because it feels like, however people feel

1057
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: about TKO's involvement in wrestling now, it has changed maybe,

1058
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 1: like I guess the business model a bit for certain

1059
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: people like you.

1060
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: It's only changed the business model for w B. Yeah.

1061
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: I think like ww is so vast right now. It

1062
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 2: exists only within its own world. And its own bubble.

1063
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: I don't think it affects the rest of the wrestling

1064
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: world too much unless releases and stuff happen, or they're

1065
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 2: buying out TV rights for other stations or like conglomerations

1066
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 2: are like I feel like everybody else the wrestling world

1067
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: is like like flourishing. I wish what I will say

1068
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: about outside of like the big TV, like like the

1069
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: aw's the WS. I really do wish like the independence

1070
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 2: was flourishing a little bit more right because a lot

1071
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: of guys are getting like you're hearing about him at

1072
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty four, twenty five and getting signed. I

1073
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: really wish that these guys would get like become the

1074
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 2: indie stars that we used to be watching.

1075
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 3: I think Zilla's doing a pretty good job right now.

1076
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: He is. He's holding out and he's like becoming the

1077
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: indie guy, you know, he's becoming like like man like

1078
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 2: PWG would be so helpful right now to be like, oh,

1079
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: we're doing an All Star weekend, like who's out there?

1080
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: Who's out there to be an all Star? And then

1081
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: you'll see the names pop up, like who are these guys?

1082
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: Like I heard him, I've kind of seen him and

1083
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 2: then like then you got to watch PWG to become

1084
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: a fan of these guys. You know, I really wish

1085
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 2: we had that to find out who these guys are.

1086
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: And I saw at the House of Glory. Shit, that

1087
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: Charlie Mason guy, who is.

1088
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 3: I didn't know his shtick. I thought he was being just.

1089
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 2: I thought he was gay because he kept like licking

1090
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: the sweat off of hit the dudes Like no, it's

1091
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 2: like a no no, right.

1092
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 3: So I was like with Zilla's girl and I was like, yeah,

1093
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 3: it was like this dude's thing is he like geh?

1094
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 3: She's like no, no, no, He's like Charles Manson. He's

1095
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 3: like a serial killer.

1096
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, which that would do really

1097
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,479
Speaker 2: great stuff on TV. Yeah, he would do great stuff.

1098
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: And he yeah he's fire, Yeah he's fire. But yeah,

1099
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 2: I just wa was like there was like more platforms

1100
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: to showcase these next year.

1101
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 3: Four rope I think is bubbling fourth rope. If they

1102
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 3: they got to get more consistent, they got to do

1103
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 3: more than like once a quarter. Yeah, they got right

1104
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 3: now it's like every three or four months you get

1105
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 3: a fourth rope.

1106
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like they also got to compete with and

1107
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: like on the big weekends, like the wressel Cads they

1108
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 2: got to do a fourth robe they like on uh.

1109
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't do anything may A weekend, which was

1110
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 3: like to me, a mistake.

1111
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like consistency is key.

1112
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: Because like, no matter what, GCW is doing something Mania

1113
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: week exactly, and the Juggalo ships happened in many a

1114
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: week Dude, Like I was at I was at blood

1115
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: Sport and Stone Cold Steve Bolston's stand there under the

1116
00:54:58,880 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: camera watching the shot.

1117
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: I'm right behind him. I'm like, who would have thought?

1118
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is the time for you to be

1119
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 2: on the watching like a non WW product like Naddy

1120
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 2: was on the show. There has talent stuff in Shana

1121
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 2: Basler and they had they killed it. But like I'm like,

1122
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: but this is the times to be putting on shows

1123
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 2: when you can have like a stone Coltsy Vaults and

1124
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 2: just like you know what, I'm gonna watch And he

1125
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: sat there and watched every.

1126
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 3: Match from nobody would expect that either.

1127
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: No, but that's why you gotta run. That's why you

1128
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: gotta run these shows because you will miss opportunities like this.

1129
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,959
Speaker 1: That's why Sean Michaels watches that ship. Yes, like that's

1130
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 1: like his ursion and like scouty I watched him with Sean, Yes,

1131
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: what can you say about his because you've obviously been

1132
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: under his wing at NXT.

1133
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 3: What can you just say about Sean?

1134
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 1: Because it feels like he's so good at developing talent,

1135
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 1: so good at like getting people ready.

1136
00:55:55,719 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 2: He probably has the most like challenging job because he

1137
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: has to put in the time. First off, he has

1138
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 2: to choose who's picking it up. Then he has to

1139
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 2: put in the time, effort, resources, creativity, promotion ads, make

1140
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: sure I hope they don't get hurt, and like you

1141
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,959
Speaker 2: got to put in all that for for.

1142
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 3: Them to.

1143
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: Pluck them at any moment, like oh yeah, by the way,

1144
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 2: this is the last show, but he has I had

1145
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 2: all this, Like that's really challenging because in main roster

1146
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 2: you're not plucked in to go anywhere else. You're just there.

1147
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 2: So like that's so challenging to do. The women are

1148
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: picking up so fast, Like I feel like NXT has

1149
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: spit out so many great women it's so insane. Like

1150
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 2: and I watched it. I was in the system. I

1151
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, she's gone, Oh she's going, She's going

1152
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 2: she's the next one coming up, and sure enough, boom

1153
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 2: boom boom, like a machine, they're up there. You know.

1154
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 2: I feel like that's they do such a good job

1155
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 2: with the women that the ratio with the women and

1156
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: the men is so like off and it's and it's

1157
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 2: hard to pinpoint why, but I just say, I just

1158
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 2: give credit to the women. Like he has he always

1159
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 2: he can always plug and play a talent. Yeah, I

1160
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: women's champion. He has the luxury of that, but the

1161
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:26,959
Speaker 2: men is a challenged.

1162
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 3: I saw him say, or I don't know if it

1163
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 3: was if someone had said that he was begging to

1164
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 3: keep Javon one more year, oh my god, which I

1165
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 3: think I agree it would have because.

1166
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 2: What's he missing? Now? What's what's it like?

1167
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 3: I feel like you should have went on a heel run. Yeah,

1168
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 3: but what would he have missed because imagine if Trick

1169
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 3: would have got called up.

1170
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying prior.

1171
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 3: To him going on this heel tear and.

1172
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying, like, what would this whole

1173
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: past year with Javon, what would he have missed out

1174
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: on for being an NXC for another year? He wouldn't

1175
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: missed out on anything. Maybe a mania, but there's always

1176
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,959
Speaker 2: going to be a mania. What would he have missed

1177
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 2: out on this year for just waiting another year? Maybe more?

1178
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 2: Check that's it. But he was going to get the

1179
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: bag no matter what, you know, and he's young, he's

1180
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 2: not going to.

1181
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 3: He would have been the face of the brand for.

1182
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: He would have had And what did I tell you

1183
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 2: about trick.

1184
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 3: On the TNA and holding that belt.

1185
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 2: Have to see him as a top guy to believe

1186
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 2: he is. That's why j C. Jane is doing so

1187
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 2: well right now on her debut because we've seen her

1188
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: for three years holding the top belt, getting it multiple

1189
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 2: times and main eventing with it. So now what do

1190
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: we see her with? Oh, we're gonna put her with

1191
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: other manors because we perceive her as that.

1192
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 3: Now it's happened with Oba. It was like it's like, yo,

1193
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 3: you're going.

1194
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 2: You're because we see you as that got the destroyer,

1195
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 2: the ruler. We see it, So put him with a brock.

1196
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: We trust it, We believe it.

1197
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: Is there a piece of advice or something that Sean

1198
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: taught you that you applied and still apply to this day.

1199
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: There I would say there's two guys there Sean, and

1200
00:58:59,080 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 2: there's Terry Taylor.

1201
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 3: Okay, Sean.

1202
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: For what I said earlier, he's like the guys like,

1203
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 2: we gotta work a little harder. That that still rings

1204
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 2: true in my head all the time. Terry has a

1205
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: bunch of them. But there was a I'll go with

1206
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: Sean first, because that's what you asked Sean, I would say.

1207
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: He used himself as an example. He was like, when

1208
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: you're not in the title picture, you got to figure

1209
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 2: out different type of stories to tell. So because your

1210
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 2: whole existence can't be about just the belt, because that's

1211
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: why we all here.

1212
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 3: And there's only so only one guy can be like.

1213
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,439
Speaker 2: Why are we all here? That's like like NBA player,

1214
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: why are you here to be NBA champion? There's like

1215
00:59:53,040 --> 01:00:00,040
Speaker 2: five hundred of you. Yeah, so of course, so he

1216
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: he said like he didn't handle his first run as

1217
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 2: well because he couldn't handle being the top guy. He

1218
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 2: it just it was too much pressure on him, which

1219
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 2: is a loss of smile and his other things. He

1220
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: just didn't handle the pressure of being the top guy

1221
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 2: very well. So when he values his second run so

1222
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 2: much more because he started figuring out like I'm good

1223
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 2: at being one a or A one B or two

1224
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: A to set up the main guy and tell different

1225
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 2: types of stories and tug on different heartstrings and emotions.

1226
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: So that's where like him and Jericho and like the

1227
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: wife and everything, punching back and stuff. Him and Hunter

1228
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 2: like betraying his betraying his best friend. He he's I

1229
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: found that was my skill and niche to be like

1230
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 2: the Hogan thing like him and Taker, they were never

1231
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: about belts. On the second run, his best stories were

1232
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 2: about other things, other emotional things. So I was like,

1233
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 2: oh snap, that's where me and Hangman I figure it out.

1234
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 2: That's where men like I was like, Okay, how do

1235
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: I make myself important if the belt's not in the line,

1236
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: because everybody's fans are conditioned. If the belt's not on

1237
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: the line, why do we care? So how do you

1238
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 2: make people care without being in the title hunt out?

1239
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 2: That's where it clicked for Sean with me with Sean's

1240
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: personal advice, the other one with Terry Taylor, he was like,

1241
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 2: like he helped me figure out how to perform like

1242
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 2: it's real, like as in like for the camera too.

1243
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 2: He's like He's like no, like you know, everybody does

1244
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: something something, the crowd the camera. He's like, why are

1245
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,439
Speaker 2: you looking at them? You're not You're not in war

1246
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 2: with them, You're at war with your opponent. So that's

1247
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: where I started conducting the camera with my eyes. I

1248
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 2: started like when I did something like I would look

1249
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 2: at my hands, my hands, how do you feel about

1250
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: what your hands are about to do? Am I sad

1251
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 2: about my opponent? Am I like shaking? Am I scared?

1252
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 2: Or am I aggressive? Am I angry? Then I take

1253
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 2: that anger and aggression I put in my opponent. Am

1254
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 2: I angry? Or am I like? This is my friend?

1255
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1256
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 2: Like, so now I'm playing with different emotions live with

1257
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 2: the camera, and the camera follows where my eyes are looking.

1258
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: If I look up at the lights, they shoot wide.

1259
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 2: If I look up down on the ground, they shoot

1260
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 2: at the ground. If I like start firing up and

1261
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 2: I look at my opponent, they shoot him. Then they

1262
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 2: shoot back at me. Then they get that shot of

1263
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: like looking through here, of like what I'm about to do.

1264
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 2: So I terry tapped that into my brain and then

1265
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 2: it became about like he said, we had a skull session,

1266
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 2: long table like this. He watched whatever matches for the week.

1267
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 2: He turned it off and he was talking about the

1268
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 2: business right now is going up and down stuff? Right

1269
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: now we're in a down phase. It's twenty nineteen. Yeah,

1270
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 2: He's like, we're in a downface. We're looking right now.

1271
01:02:58,240 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 2: I'll let you know, right now the business is in

1272
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: need of somebody else to take the reins.

1273
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty nineteen was rough. There was a couple of

1274
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 3: years there I was I was just not Yeah.

1275
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 2: So that was like before COVID and all that stuff.

1276
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 2: He was like, somebody in this room is going to

1277
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 2: change the wrestling world? Why not? Why not be you?

1278
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, you know what, why not

1279
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 2: be me? No? And you're looking at the room. It's like,

1280
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 2: you know, you look at every performance center room. You're like,

1281
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 2: who could be? You know? But like then you're like,

1282
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 2: you know what, what's stopping me? And I always kept

1283
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 2: that in my head. I still text Harry to this

1284
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 2: day and be like, I still remember that speech and

1285
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 2: I took you. I took that challenge. And he was like,

1286
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 2: that's why I always say it. It can happen to anybody,

1287
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 2: but I'm glad it happened to me.

1288
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: Okay, let's take I want to take Cody the Bucks

1289
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: and Kenny out of the picture. Who is on the

1290
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: mount Rushmore? Aw So no Cody, No, no Cody, no Bucks,

1291
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: no Kenny.

1292
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:17,439
Speaker 2: Moxley, ding Jericho Danielson. Danielson shout out to him, all

1293
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 2: I respect that for.

1294
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 3: Had you and Booker t squashed your beef that started.

1295
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 2: On lad We've been on like three flights since.

1296
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 3: On the same flight. Yeah, did you guys talk? Did

1297
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 3: you guys even know?

1298
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 2: He looks at me every time he goes and gets

1299
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 2: on the flight, like, and then we sit right next

1300
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 2: Like I was in the aisle, he's over there.

1301
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, nothing, No, jeez. I met him in at

1302
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 3: that center a picture. Yes, I walked up to him.

1303
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, man, I was like, can we

1304
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 3: get a flick? I just left the press room. He's

1305
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 3: like I was like, yeah, I'm friends with Swerve.

1306
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 2: And then right when I said that, my boy took

1307
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 2: the picture and he was like, and I stepped on

1308
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 2: his shoe but wasn't on purpose.

1309
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 3: It was on accident. But he was not in a good mood.

1310
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 3: I've never met a more miserable He's met a lot

1311
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 3: of He's met.

1312
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 2: A lot of my friends.

1313
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, when when's when's music coming out?

1314
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 3: What's to break down the music.

1315
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 2: EP is dropping very very soon right now. We just

1316
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 2: hitting and hit hit different. It's still rolling, still streaming

1317
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 2: very well. Myself rest in peace. Profit believe you met

1318
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 2: Prophet before produced the record. We put it out in

1319
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,439
Speaker 2: November twenty twenty five. He passed away in January, and

1320
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 2: but we did get to he did get to see

1321
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 2: it in the arenas, like when we brought it out

1322
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 2: when I came out back in full gear, putting Ray

1323
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 2: Kwan now a Rock and Roll Hall of Famer Ray

1324
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 2: Kwan Wu Tang on the record. And my man Montez,

1325
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 2: you know, has been here right here, wrapped on the

1326
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 2: show and everything. So I was able to get one

1327
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 2: of my good friends, a great producer, one of my

1328
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 2: good friends, and a legend to all collaborate on this

1329
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 2: record that's still spinning. It's doing really well and uh,

1330
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 2: EP going to be dropping soon. Just got Max b

1331
01:05:58,880 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 2: on two features.

1332
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 3: Shocked man who you thought wrestling fan?

1333
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 2: Never? I never would have thought, let alone a wrestling

1334
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 2: fan of mine. That's crazy.

1335
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: So how do you get people to like the new

1336
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: theme song? Because I feel like the old theme song

1337
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: so crazy that.

1338
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 2: That's so crazy. Yeah, but it worked in a great time.

1339
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 3: But I want to know, like, the new theme song

1340
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 3: is it? Do you feel that it's not?

1341
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 2: The fans are not as happy with it because they

1342
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 2: love the old one. I got fans that are happy

1343
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 2: with it.

1344
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I just the old one is just it's

1345
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: it's I always wonder what that decision is when you

1346
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: got a theme song that everyone.

1347
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 3: Sings along to, what is the thought process of being Like, listen,

1348
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 3: ask the lawyers, Oh, is that what happened?

1349
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 2: Ask the lawyers what happened?

1350
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 3: So you couldn't use the old one?

1351
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 2: I decided not to or it was a legal thing.

1352
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 2: Ask the lawyers on that one.

1353
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 3: So you can't use it? Is that what I'm gathering?

1354
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 2: I chose not to.

1355
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 3: Okay, damn, such a great fucking it was.

1356
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 2: Got a lot of knowledge out of it in the

1357
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 2: first three years.

1358
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: Man, all right, Well, that that's I always I wondered that.

1359
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, what the fuck this guy?

1360
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 2: Joint dog like, yeah.

1361
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 3: Oh well, well at least now we have some answers there.

1362
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 3: All right, So EP's coming soon? Are you wrestling Wednesday? Wednesday?

1363
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 2: You should see me on Dynamite this coming Wednesday. Yeh.

1364
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 2: Where's it at uh Ashville, Ashville, Carolina?

1365
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 3: Don't know? Oh yeah, yeah, Ashville.

1366
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 2: That's when they had the accident.

1367
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 3: They had them.

1368
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we always come back to do something like

1369
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 2: charity charitable shows. Friend, that's where FTR and where Copeland live.

1370
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 3: Oh ship chat.

1371
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, such a great return. By the way, he's man.

1372
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 2: One thing Cope knows how to do. He knows how

1373
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 2: to do a lot of great things. He knows how

1374
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 2: to make a return. He knows how to make a

1375
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 2: damn return for sure.

1376
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 3: Man.

1377
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: Well, listen, everybody go watch a w Wednesday nights. It's

1378
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: on tn T and HBO Max. HBO Max is the

1379
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: best because you could just man, because I don't have cable,

1380
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: so almost like and then Collision is Saturdays Saturdays eight

1381
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: o'clock TNT.

1382
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 3: On tn T. And then what's the next pay per view.

1383
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 2: Double and nothing? May twenty fourth in Queens, New York.

1384
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 2: It's Queen Queens Baby.

1385
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 3: There gonna be another anarchy at the Arena Stadium Stampede.

1386
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 2: They just announced it with Jericho. It hurts the nak

1387
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 2: it against which they still got some members to more

1388
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 2: people to add to the team against Ricochet and the

1389
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 2: demand oh I didn't see that. Yeah, yeah, that's this

1390
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 2: past Wednesday. Just put that out there. Well, they got

1391
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 2: a big that's the first match that that they've announced

1392
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 2: for that, and I think Kazuko, Kata and Tequesta.

1393
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: Gonna be a very bit some big shoes to fill

1394
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:47,640
Speaker 1: from last year's anarchy.

1395
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 2: Good luck in a tennis stadium at that all.

1396
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 3: Do we know where all end is going to be yet?

1397
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 2: Wembley?

1398
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: Oh it is, so let's go going back to to Wembley.

1399
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: So now I gotta go to So that's Mike's use

1400
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 1: to go to London? Yeah, because I sure the fucking

1401
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: going the Saudi Arabia. You hear that, your tk O fucks.

1402
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 1: I'm not getting bombed in Dubai. You motherfuckers. London, we're outside.

1403
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 2: Outside with it there. It is that that might be

1404
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 2: probably the best fan base. Them motherfuckers will follow you

1405
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 2: to your hotel room the London, well yeah, they will swarm.

1406
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 3: Do you like do you deal with like fans stepping

1407
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 3: a bit because wrestling fans are very I feel like

1408
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 3: they're pretty harmless, but they're also very like bro, they

1409
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 3: don't they are also I'm.

1410
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 2: Never I've never had those issues like like I said,

1411
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 2: I feel like like you put out certain energy that

1412
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 2: you get back like, but also there's randoms that.

1413
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: Like did you saw the cmpunk video or he slapped

1414
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: the dude's phone and the guy went on a fucking

1415
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: media run like asking.

1416
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 2: That's putting out the energy? Yeah, you can't put out

1417
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 2: that type of energy, you know what I mean? So

1418
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 2: you get get the energy out what you get.

1419
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 3: But I saw the angle where like Bailey and like

1420
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 3: AJ were having it.

1421
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 2: I get that, But then you get somebody else's step

1422
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 2: in because you don't want to put yourself in that

1423
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 2: you know that heater.

1424
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 3: Because because then it's gonna keep happening and it's gonna

1425
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 3: get you get it.

1426
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 2: And you could be right, you could be meaning, you

1427
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 2: could be meaning to do the right thing and however,

1428
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 2: but the guy probably deserved it. But now you're in

1429
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 2: that ship storm.

1430
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: Now and now he's got not only can you get sued,

1431
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: but now other fans are going to try to bait you.

1432
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 2: Yes, like I said, you you the more energy you

1433
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 2: put out like that, the more it's gonna come back.

1434
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 2: So you just gotta be careful with that kind of stuff. Hey,

1435
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 2: I never dealt with that.

1436
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: Do you guys get an internal email from Tony or

1437
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: from like the PR team when like Ricochet says crazy

1438
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:30,520
Speaker 1: shit on Twitter.

1439
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,879
Speaker 3: Like, hey guys, let's not cross the line on Twitter.

1440
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 2: Hey, I was. I was just I definitely was one

1441
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 2: of those guys saying like firing back and saying ship like.

1442
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 3: No, no, for sure, I've seen you fire back.

1443
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, but now it's like I gotta It's like

1444
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 2: it's not worth it. It's not it's not He's like,

1445
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 2: you know what, this is not going to be the

1446
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 2: last guy that says some dumb shit about you or

1447
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 2: say not like your promos, not like your matches.

1448
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: Wrestling fans are toxic as fuck, especially the ones on Twitter,

1449
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: like everybody.

1450
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 3: Those aren't wrestling fans whoever they are.

1451
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like, like we got to also

1452
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 2: be like Twitter is not wrestling fans. They're not showing

1453
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 2: up to like your signings and stuff like that. They're

1454
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 2: not showing up to shows. They're just watching on their

1455
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 2: phone or online. So we got to take that and divide.

1456
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: Them by Like I feel the same thing with the

1457
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 1: with the hip hop world, where it's like there'll be

1458
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: people who like J Cole will drop an incredible album

1459
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: and like a bunch of people who would not go

1460
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: out of it. Ja Cole said it perfectly on his interview run.

1461
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: He said, there's people who are chiming in on artists

1462
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: and music that they wouldn't if it was two thousand

1463
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: and one go to the store to buy. Yeah, so

1464
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: it's like you're not even.

1465
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,560
Speaker 3: Like invested in the product enough to even like you

1466
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 3: don't like this shit.

1467
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 2: He's marketing to people that love his music or love

1468
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 2: a certain type of love. Yeah, he's targeting the people.

1469
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: If you bought the album, if you spend money on

1470
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: the album and you have an opinion that's how it

1471
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: used to be.

1472
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 2: But you're listening regardless. Thanks for the stream, right, thanks

1473
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 2: for talking about it, and even if it is bad, okay, cool,

1474
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 2: Like I want to listen to how bad it is,

1475
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 2: and then your perception might be changed. So at least

1476
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 2: you're like, even the negative publicity is getting more people

1477
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 2: to like listen to you, so you might as well

1478
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 2: take them too with you.

1479
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: Right, we'll listen swerve. I appreciate you pulling up again.

1480
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: Go support this guy's music and watch Wednesday night. He'll

1481
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:26,440
Speaker 1: be back on TV. Uh is aw similar to like

1482
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: like like are you doing just Wednesdays, Wednesday, Saturdays?

1483
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 2: I could as a neat book anywhere?

1484
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,719
Speaker 1: Got it there it is man, swerve, appreciate you brother.

1485
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,639
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