Speaker 1: What's that at the bed? It's spooky and joy I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I gas nandays, please hey boo.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Ghosted by Raz Hernandez, the podcast that involves
Speaker 1: me Raz and people that I like talking about spooky, ookee,
Speaker 1: freaky dieky, weird stuff. I've got on the show today
Speaker 1: one of my favorites, Kirsten Vang's nest. We get weird
Speaker 1: uh in this episode. I mean, we're getting alieny. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be a couple of things that you're gonna go.
Speaker 3: Is that real?
Speaker 1: I don't know about all that, but it's good to
Speaker 1: be skeptical. Speaking of I was looking through my email
Speaker 1: Ghosted by Ras at gmail dot com and I found
Speaker 1: an email from a listener named Pearl Pearls Skeptical Pearl writes,
Speaker 1: I'm very excited that this podcast exists. Growing up and
Speaker 1: even now, I still live in haunted houses. While I'm
Speaker 1: a skeptic and seriously try to find any explanation for happenings,
Speaker 1: sometimes I just cannot find one other than well, ghosts.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of stories to tell, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to share my first truly ghostly experience with you.
Speaker 1: When I was about fifteen years old, I was home
Speaker 1: alone on a Friday night around nine pm, like a
Speaker 1: normal teen in the early two thousands. I was on
Speaker 1: the landline talking to my friend Dan and dragging the
Speaker 1: long cord from room to room the nostalgia. As we chatted,
Speaker 1: I wandered back to the kitchen, and to my surprise,
Speaker 1: I discovered that the silverware drawer and a few others
Speaker 1: were wide open. Nothing was out of place but the drawers. Spooked,
Speaker 1: but assuming that I was responsible during my mindless wandering,
Speaker 1: I closed up the drawers and told Dan what was
Speaker 1: going on. And I said, it's either me or a ghost.
Speaker 1: I laughed, unexplainably. Right then the phone hung up, leaving
Speaker 1: me with a dial tone. Again. I didn't think that
Speaker 1: much of this, and I walked off to the bathroom
Speaker 1: before returning to call Dan back. About two minutes later,
Speaker 1: I picked up the phone and again to my surprise,
Speaker 1: Dan was already on the line. Oh that's funny, we
Speaker 1: must have called each other at the same time. I said,
Speaker 1: what's your grandma doing up so late? Dan asked me.
Speaker 1: I had no idea what he was talking about. My Grandma,
Speaker 1: She's not here. Dan swore that he had just had
Speaker 1: a brief conversation with who he assumed was my grandma
Speaker 1: before I had gotten back on the line. He had
Speaker 1: never lost a connection on the call. As we tried
Speaker 1: to come up with an explanation, I continued wandering and
Speaker 1: walked around the corner into the living room. On the
Speaker 1: floor was a pile of our silverware sitting in a
Speaker 1: messy circle. At that point, I panicked and asked Dan
Speaker 1: to come over immediately to get me. Someone had to
Speaker 1: be in the house now. Dan, who was just a
Speaker 1: mile away, came over and took me to a friend's
Speaker 1: house to stay while I waited for my parents to arrive.
Speaker 1: Now this story is pretty typical, I feel, but the
Speaker 1: creepiest part of the whole thing happened about eight years later,
Speaker 1: when my same friend Dan and I were drinking wine
Speaker 1: with my dad at my parents new house. Remember that
Speaker 1: time you were home alone and the silverware ended up
Speaker 1: in the living room? My dad asked, of course, Well,
Speaker 1: he said, the guy who owned the house before we
Speaker 1: bought it had died in the house due to an
Speaker 1: accident right where that silverware had been laying. The old
Speaker 1: man had burned to death one winter when he had
Speaker 1: fallen asleep by his fireplace and the fire had gotten
Speaker 1: out of hand. If you go in the basement, there
Speaker 1: are still burn marks on the ceiling. Pearl also writes,
Speaker 1: even though I I'm studying to be a neuropsychologist and
Speaker 1: deeply believe that science can explain anything, sometimes I have
Speaker 1: to ask, can it par I mean, I love to
Speaker 1: hear that from a neuropsychologist. And I'm also obsessed with
Speaker 1: the ghosts that you had. I love an old man
Speaker 1: that happens to sound like a grandma who is down
Speaker 1: to talk on the landline and make a mess. That's
Speaker 1: my kind of ghost. I love anytime a ghost is
Speaker 1: making phone calls. That is the best. There are a
Speaker 1: lot of stories of people talking to someone that was
Speaker 1: already passed on the phone. I feel like I don't
Speaker 1: hear them as much for some reason with cell phones,
Speaker 1: but they do still happen. I do still hear people
Speaker 1: talking about that happening. If you've had a story like that,
Speaker 1: please send it on over. I actually have a friend
Speaker 1: that told me one time a relative had called them
Speaker 1: randomly and their phone had already been disconnected for years.
Speaker 1: At that point, like, oh, okay, guys, speaking of talking
Speaker 1: on the phone to people, I talked to Kirsten Wang's nest,
Speaker 1: and I want to share that conversation with you on
Speaker 1: with the show. Oh my god, I am joined today
Speaker 1: by a true icon of eyewear, Kirsten Vang's Nest. Hello, Hi,
Speaker 1: how are you.
Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm good. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, thanks for coming back. So, for some reason,
Speaker 1: the word weird is in my head today. It's because
Speaker 1: I was researching some really really weird stuff.
Speaker 3: And weird is such a cool word.
Speaker 1: I love it. I mean, what's your relationship with that word?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: I think of like the weird Sisters from Macbeth. Oh,
Speaker 3: which are the witches? They call them the weird Sisters.
Speaker 4: Okay, And if I was cool enough, I would have
Speaker 4: it off the top of my brain.
Speaker 3: But I can't remember what exactly weird means.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make a wild guess, and I bet I'm
Speaker 4: not wrong, because I think I vaguely remember this that
Speaker 4: it doesn't just mean being strange, right. It probably has
Speaker 4: something to do with femininity and it being full.
Speaker 3: Of mystery and evil. You know, It's like it's there synonymous.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like being left handed, which I am. It's all
Speaker 3: of that, like what like.
Speaker 4: Beware the feminine inside of the for it will come
Speaker 4: and recavic and call up all of the evil spirits,
Speaker 4: and I relate.
Speaker 1: Do you identify as weird?
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, yes.
Speaker 1: I remember my friend's kid one time was like, you're weird,
Speaker 1: and I was telling this kid the opposite of weird
Speaker 1: is boring in my opinion, right, who wants to be boring?
Speaker 1: I'd rather be weird. I'm always here for anybody. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like I always feel like it's better to
Speaker 1: have bad taste than no taste, as long as you
Speaker 1: got something that is unique to you.
Speaker 3: Making a choice.
Speaker 1: That's what it is.
Speaker 3: Weird is making your own.
Speaker 1: Choice, totally. I'm gonna look it up. Okay, so weird.
Speaker 1: This is not giving me a good definition.
Speaker 3: No, we look up etymology of weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, etymology, because that's where they get you. Okay.
Speaker 1: Originally meant having the power to control destiny. There it
Speaker 1: is making a choice, thank you. So I want to
Speaker 1: get weird today.
Speaker 3: Let's get weird.
Speaker 1: Let's get weird.
Speaker 4: Actually, my partner, we're just about to celebrate our three
Speaker 4: year anniversary and like we're like the loves of each
Speaker 4: other's lives. One of the first things that he texted
Speaker 4: to me was, let's get weird, Kirsten. I was like,
Speaker 4: I think that this dude won't mind this little left
Speaker 4: handed queer kid.
Speaker 3: He'll like me.
Speaker 1: Yes. I think that's so much of like the paranormal
Speaker 1: conversation parallels queerness, this weirdness whatever, where people don't understand
Speaker 1: things and they fear what they don't understand, so they
Speaker 1: just assume.
Speaker 4: Yeah, going back to the feminine, like whether you biologically
Speaker 4: were born with a uterus inside of you, or we're
Speaker 4: talking about your metaphorical uterus, which I would argue everybody has.
Speaker 4: There are those of us that are more in touch
Speaker 4: with our metaphorical uterus. There are people that have an
Speaker 4: actual uterus that are not in touch with that uterus.
Speaker 4: But the point of a uterus is is it is
Speaker 4: a potential space. I wrote a play about this because
Speaker 4: I'm so fascinated by to make Yes a baby, but
Speaker 4: also a bread or a song.
Speaker 3: It's taking the invisible and making it visible.
Speaker 4: So when you talk about paranormal stuff, you're basically talking
Speaker 4: about the invisible that was visible, or the potential that
Speaker 4: it could be there, the not proof of it being.
Speaker 3: Well, I can't see it.
Speaker 4: Well, you can't see a lot of things until they
Speaker 4: come to be right. It again goes into that feminine
Speaker 4: idea of having this direct line to the universe that
Speaker 4: we have by dint of being in touch with that
Speaker 4: feminine energy that is more open and receiving of the mystery.
Speaker 1: Well, my metaphorical uterus is about to pop with some weirdness.
Speaker 1: I am crowning over here, that's right. Have you had
Speaker 1: any paranormal experiences since I talked to you last?
Speaker 4: Honestly? Paranormal? What is the definition of paranormal?
Speaker 1: Not normal? Now? I don't okay, para you know things
Speaker 1: you can't find the explanation for. I'm gonna look it up.
Speaker 1: I should know this, okay, So paranormal that the definition
Speaker 1: is denoting events or phenomena, which might be my favorite word.
Speaker 1: I love phenomena. Phenomena phenomena such as telekinesis or clairvoyance
Speaker 1: that are beyond the scope of normal scientific understanding. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's essentially just like things that science doesn't have the
Speaker 1: answers for yet.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think that my whole life is serious paranormal experiences.
Speaker 4: There are people that choose to believe that they aren't
Speaker 4: consorting with the invisible twenty four to seven, and there
Speaker 4: are people that do. And I am one of those
Speaker 4: people that do you know, my best friend left the
Speaker 4: planet when I was twenty twenty one, maybe he was
Speaker 4: twenty two, twenty three. It was right before the Aides
Speaker 4: cocktail was around, and I made deals with him before
Speaker 4: he left the planet.
Speaker 3: I made deals, and I.
Speaker 4: Find myself daily reminding myself to keep up with those deals,
Speaker 4: one of which is that I.
Speaker 3: Make stuff with him. I don't know if I even buy.
Speaker 4: Every time that I've gone with a friend who's gone
Speaker 4: like we gotta go listen to this psychic, I am
Speaker 4: not the friend who's like, we got to know listen
Speaker 4: this person. I am not that friend, but I am
Speaker 4: the friend that will go with them person. So ras
Speaker 4: if you ever want a friend to go with you.
Speaker 3: I am the person to call.
Speaker 4: I'm the begrudging like, okay, I'll bring a backpack full
Speaker 4: of books.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I even buy this. I'm a
Speaker 3: little mad.
Speaker 4: And then what happens is I go and I sit down,
Speaker 4: and then that fucking person will say something.
Speaker 3: This happens every time.
Speaker 4: The last time it was like, okay, over here, get
Speaker 4: his energy about New York City.
Speaker 3: Died very young, but it's been.
Speaker 4: A long time and he's right here, and fuck you, Michael. Okay, Yes,
Speaker 4: I get so frustrated because it's not like I don't
Speaker 4: believe it. It gets to a certain point where I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't want to have a conversation with you in
Speaker 4: front of this strange woman.
Speaker 3: Can you just talk to me when we get home?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: One of the things that people always say whenever I
Speaker 4: encounter that stuff is, oh, he such a presence because
Speaker 4: you think about him so much.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, And it's.
Speaker 4: It's always really affected me because I always want him around,
Speaker 4: so I do think about him. So to answer your question,
Speaker 4: it's all day, every day in a variety of ways,
Speaker 4: Michael just being one of the specific ones. I think
Speaker 4: it improves my mental health extraordinarily much to think I'm
Speaker 4: concerning with the invisible, and you know, people consider me
Speaker 4: pretty healthy.
Speaker 3: I also batshit crazy, but like, okay, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 4: Like someone could get really mad at me and be
Speaker 4: like it's not real, but like, go ahead, be mad,
Speaker 4: but I'm allowed to believe in things that nobody knows about,
Speaker 4: because last time I checked, there's nobody that's dead that
Speaker 4: came back and is I was dead. And now I'm
Speaker 4: back to tell you that that couldn't be more wrong.
Speaker 1: So, well, there's sometimes there's those near death experience people
Speaker 1: that die briefly.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, my favorite is Anita Moore Janni.
Speaker 1: Who's that Every Anita I know is a drag queen
Speaker 1: and it's like Anita cocktail.
Speaker 3: Anita Well, I don't think she's a drag queen, but.
Speaker 1: I mean Anita Moore. What Anita Moore.
Speaker 3: Janni I think is her last name.
Speaker 4: She wrote a wonderful book that I really like, and
Speaker 4: she had a pretty drastic, intense near death experience and
Speaker 4: it's really beautiful. A lot of the stuff she talks about.
Speaker 4: But I just read about one the other day and
Speaker 4: I read it and I was so mad because it
Speaker 4: was like some.
Speaker 5: Dude who was like, yeah, I died, I saw my dad.
Speaker 6: And he said there's no beer in heaven and then
Speaker 6: it was just black and nothing, and it was like
Speaker 6: this weird mix as some guy basically say like there's
Speaker 6: no afterlife.
Speaker 3: But yet your dad told you there's no beer in heaven.
Speaker 1: So let's he do it? Yeah, where's he?
Speaker 4: It was very confusing, but I like the ones that
Speaker 4: explain it in resonance with what I already know. I
Speaker 4: am a believer that when things are in resonance it's true,
Speaker 4: and when it's dissonant it is not true.
Speaker 1: Well, this is one of my theories that's almost not
Speaker 1: even a theory because it's so general. I think that
Speaker 1: everything could be true for everybody. If you think about
Speaker 1: the afterlife being this beautiful man place that looks different
Speaker 1: for a lot of different people. It's just like when
Speaker 1: I talk to psychics that will tell me how these
Speaker 1: spirits talk to them or whatever different ways. Some will
Speaker 1: be like, he's standing I always see the people standing
Speaker 1: right there. Other people will be like, they only talk
Speaker 1: to me. I think that we all just have like
Speaker 1: different ways of interpreting kind of the same thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have different sensitivities, we have different things like that.
Speaker 4: That's taking you think of two separate things, one of
Speaker 4: which is at cartetole M. He wrote The Power of Now.
Speaker 4: I really like that book. This thing really stuck in
Speaker 4: my brain that he talks about. This is what I
Speaker 4: took away from what he's saying. This isn't necessarily saying
Speaker 4: about death and about meditating. This idea that if you
Speaker 4: practice and I'm not always a big meditator, but I
Speaker 4: understand the concept of if you can be at peace
Speaker 4: with knowing that you are part of this bigness, but
Speaker 4: you're also just you, and you can handle that dichotomy
Speaker 4: that when you separate from your meat suit, that will
Speaker 4: help you even more when you die because you won't
Speaker 4: have so much pain learn go of who you You
Speaker 4: can still hold on to who you were. You know,
Speaker 4: it's almost like another person who I just love, love
Speaker 4: love the esther hicks of.
Speaker 1: It all right.
Speaker 4: That idea of like the non physical of you being
Speaker 4: bigger than the just physically centered, because if you had
Speaker 4: to walk around all day knowing everything that you would
Speaker 4: just it would just be overwhelming, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And again people can say like she's just making shit up.
Speaker 4: I don't really care.
Speaker 1: I just if it works for you, it works for you.
Speaker 4: You got to know that there's something and that you
Speaker 4: just don't know. And to answer your question from way
Speaker 4: back now, I'm like, oh wait a couple of months ago,
Speaker 4: I was talking to someone who is a psychic, which
Speaker 4: I think essentially means like you get intuitive hits that
Speaker 4: feel like big guesses, and then you are either brave
Speaker 4: enough or dumb enough or something to spit it out
Speaker 4: of your mouth to someone and say, I think that
Speaker 4: your mom is telling me that you should stop smoking.
Speaker 1: I think it's like sense of humor. Sometimes you think
Speaker 1: you got something good, you say it bombs.
Speaker 3: It's right.
Speaker 1: It takes courage to be able to like put yourself
Speaker 1: out there and say it. Some people can make a
Speaker 1: living from it. Some people are just like you know,
Speaker 1: the funny person in the building.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 4: Some people think they're Eddie Murphy and some people are
Speaker 4: Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 3: When it comes to psychics.
Speaker 1: There you go. So was this an Eddie Murphy psychic?
Speaker 4: I think it was because he was talking. We were
Speaker 4: talking about stuff blah blah blah, and he was like
Speaker 4: just edging around this stuff about my paternal person who
Speaker 4: donated sperm to make me be put on the planet.
Speaker 4: And I hadn't said anything, but he said, there's somebody
Speaker 4: who's here.
Speaker 3: But he's not invited.
Speaker 4: You don't invite him in he's actually outside smoking a
Speaker 4: cigarette in the alley.
Speaker 3: Wait what again, It's like, I don't know what I believe.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I believe that or not believe
Speaker 4: that there was a to me that I was like, yes,
Speaker 4: that tracks because I don't let him in. However, this
Speaker 4: is when we go back to the eckhartole that I
Speaker 4: think that there's a small g there's a small ghost
Speaker 4: version of a person. There's like who you were that's
Speaker 4: like hovering around, and I don't know if that's just
Speaker 4: our small mindedness trying to like handle what a ghost is.
Speaker 3: And then there's like the expanded version.
Speaker 4: Like I've had plenty of times whe I've been in
Speaker 4: therapy and my therapist wants me to like engage with
Speaker 4: you know, this person that I've had trauma happen that
Speaker 4: is now dead, And she said, like, imagine like send
Speaker 4: him off to a planet where he has to do
Speaker 4: like all day therapy and all this stuff. So like
Speaker 4: I think about that, and I'm like, that would be
Speaker 4: really cool if that happens. My fairy godmother, I lived
Speaker 4: at her house from when I was like sixteen, and
Speaker 4: she was so open hearted with me. Carol, and she
Speaker 4: transitioned to non physical about ten years ago. One of
Speaker 4: these times, I got dragged with one of my friends
Speaker 4: to a psychic talked about Carol and said her name
Speaker 4: and said she's taking care of babies now, and that
Speaker 4: would be something that Carol would love to do. So
Speaker 4: I like, there's a part of me that's like these
Speaker 4: big expanded spirit When.
Speaker 3: You die, you go to planets and you heal yourself.
Speaker 4: If you were already great, you get to get in
Speaker 4: the like the baby nick you and heaven and or
Speaker 4: there's like little tiny bits of your ghosts that smoke
Speaker 4: in back alleys and just wander around in sheets with
Speaker 4: holes of them going ooh, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: like or Wright saw movies.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but like there's just different I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay, So going back to who was in your house
Speaker 1: that's a psychic? Or who was this person.
Speaker 3: That was telling me about my dad?
Speaker 4: Yes, that was someone that I know through somebody else
Speaker 4: who is a psychic.
Speaker 3: I was actually at their house.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, So how did you come to the
Speaker 1: conclusion that that was your father?
Speaker 4: Because the way he in which he just described him,
Speaker 4: he did something with his body and it could be
Speaker 4: when I'm filling in and what happens.
Speaker 3: I mean, you just don't know. But it was enough
Speaker 3: for me to go uh huh.
Speaker 4: And more than that, it helped me when that guy
Speaker 4: described that thing about my dad and the way he
Speaker 4: was standing and how he was in the alley with
Speaker 4: the cigarette and he wasn't invited into this conversation. It
Speaker 4: made me feel really good because I had to work
Speaker 4: so hard at creating boundaries with this person and creating
Speaker 4: my own emotional boundaries with people who behaved like that.
Speaker 4: That when he said, oh, he's in the alley, he's
Speaker 4: not allowed to come in, and I got this image
Speaker 4: of this sort of surly guy who wasn't allowed into
Speaker 4: my space, I was like, yep, so I don't care
Speaker 4: if it's real or not.
Speaker 3: That helped me. That was like, ooh, she's getting better.
Speaker 1: That's inspiring because I go to like these haunted places
Speaker 1: sometimes where I'm like, I don't want the really scary
Speaker 1: one coming up and touching me or whatever, and people
Speaker 1: will tell me about like can you put up a
Speaker 1: boundary protect yourself. I like to hear it working because
Speaker 1: I do think that we have more power, Like I'm alive,
Speaker 1: you're dad.
Speaker 3: Yes, but yes and yes and.
Speaker 1: Okay taking us to the groundlings.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Because I'm with a professional. I need to.
Speaker 4: Anybody who in any degree wants to be empathetic or
Speaker 4: is you have to curate your feed, you know, whether
Speaker 4: it's your social media, what you consume, You consume whatever
Speaker 4: the fuck you want, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean they're not saying I'm not putting a.
Speaker 4: Moral judgment what people consume, but I am saying if
Speaker 4: you consume, like you go into a space that is
Speaker 4: gonna have some weird energy in it, and you are
Speaker 4: a person who happens to be very good at picking
Speaker 4: up on everybody's radio frequencies, which I will now go
Speaker 4: back to weirdos. If you were a kid who was
Speaker 4: a big weirdo, who got beat up, who got whatever,
Speaker 4: who lived in a family where you had to be
Speaker 4: hyper vigilant, you know what's going on in the room,
Speaker 4: you pick it up immediately, right, So not only do
Speaker 4: you have to be aware that you're picking it up,
Speaker 4: but you have to maintain your own radio station and
Speaker 4: not get confused with their radio station, not invite them in.
Speaker 4: It's almost like humming a song while other people are
Speaker 4: singing around you, and you have to keep your song
Speaker 4: going because you can.
Speaker 3: In those spaces.
Speaker 4: Like you said, those spookeras start all of a sudden
Speaker 4: doing their weird creepy ring around the rosy round with
Speaker 4: them without knowing you're doing it.
Speaker 3: That's how they turn you into one of their bride ghosts.
Speaker 3: That's how they do it.
Speaker 1: But that's the role I was born for, I know,
Speaker 1: but not yet.
Speaker 4: You're met for more than singing Freirazhaka in an old,
Speaker 4: haunted New Orleans mansion.
Speaker 3: There's more to you than that.
Speaker 4: I don't want that, I know, I know, but that's just
Speaker 4: part of your legacy.
Speaker 1: Okay. This is the extraterrestrial contact tee known as Samuel
Speaker 1: Eaton Thompson. Ever hear of this story, no, well, listen
Speaker 1: to this. This is a weird one. It was originally
Speaker 1: talked about in an article of Fate magazine. The article
Speaker 1: was called the Coming of the Venusians by Jerome Clark
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So this man that we're talking about, Samuel Eaton Thompson,
Speaker 1: and honey, he was eaten, he ate. There was no
Speaker 1: crumbs left behind after this story. He never sought notoriety
Speaker 1: or money with his story, which I think that does
Speaker 1: say something. This story happened in nineteen fifty, and the
Speaker 1: article didn't come out until nineteen eighty one. And the
Speaker 1: thing is, it didn't get very much attention at the
Speaker 1: time in nineteen fifty because it's such an outlandish story. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Samuel Eaton Thomas, he's a retired railroad worker. He's
Speaker 1: in his seventies. He's in Centrallia, Washington. He says that
Speaker 1: he is visiting his family in the western part of
Speaker 1: Washington and he's on his way back home. He's driving, Okay,
Speaker 1: pulls over in a forested area and he decides, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm just gonna get out. I'm gonna explore.
Speaker 1: He sees this walking trail.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why not stretch my legs out? You know, maybe
Speaker 1: he had to pee, I don't know. So he goes
Speaker 1: through this little trail and he sees a big old
Speaker 1: ufo hovering above the trees. So he goes a little
Speaker 1: closer to it and he sees that there's steps that
Speaker 1: are leading down to the ground from the ufo, and
Speaker 1: on the steps there's a bunch of small people, presumably
Speaker 1: children that are just like playing and having a good time.
Speaker 3: Human children.
Speaker 1: Well, he says that they have finer features than a human. Okay,
Speaker 1: they had dark tans, long luscious blonde hair that went
Speaker 1: down to their waists. And he says he's not scared.
Speaker 1: He's like totally here for it. And he starts getting closer,
Speaker 1: and he says that at about fifty feet from it,
Speaker 1: he can feel that there's heat emanating from it. So
Speaker 1: he gets a little closer, and then he notices that
Speaker 1: there's bigger ones, presumably adults, that are like peeking out
Speaker 1: I think from the UFO from up above, and they're
Speaker 1: kind of like, okay, creep, Like, we're trying to enjoy
Speaker 1: our vacation here with our kids. We took our RV out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're just trying to let the children do a
Speaker 4: little dancing outside.
Speaker 3: Yeah, get their wiggles out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just here on Earth for like, we're just
Speaker 1: on our vacation. We want to just enjoy the gravity. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like that's a new theory I have that UFOs are
Speaker 1: basically like RV trips for aliens. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are they deadheads?
Speaker 4: Oh? Do they treat Earth like it's a fish concert, yes,
Speaker 4: where other people.
Speaker 3: They're like, we're going to Earth and they're.
Speaker 4: Like Earth, Like, isn't that just a twenty five minute
Speaker 4: xylophone solo.
Speaker 1: They're like, let's get trippy, man, why beware there's seventy
Speaker 1: year old men that might creep up on you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So at first they're like, okay, what are you doing weirdo? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, no, I come in peace. And
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, fine, you want to come in, you
Speaker 1: can check out or win a bago or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: come on in, right, right right. They tell him alleged
Speaker 1: like to take off his shoes and socks. And by
Speaker 1: the way, all these people are naked.
Speaker 3: You know what's weird is I don't know if you
Speaker 3: told me that.
Speaker 4: Maybe you told me at the beginning, but in my
Speaker 4: mind from jump, they're all naked. Yeah, which is why
Speaker 4: I thought of the fish thing, because I was thinking
Speaker 4: of the cover of that lead zepplmetalbum with the child
Speaker 4: crawling on them.
Speaker 1: With the long hair. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, totally. So they
Speaker 1: tell him that they're from Venus.
Speaker 3: Okay, they're lying, they're lying.
Speaker 1: They say they're from Venus and that they lying. He
Speaker 1: says that they speak kind of in improper English. Now
Speaker 1: this also brings up to me, like I hear these
Speaker 1: stories of aliens that telepathically speak to people, and could
Speaker 1: we argue that these beings that we don't understand that
Speaker 1: part of their special advanced gifts is that they can
Speaker 1: speak in a way that we understand, or are we
Speaker 1: supposed to believe that they straight up speak English on venus?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, so so western centric?
Speaker 3: Of course they speak English.
Speaker 4: They don't speak Spanish, right, they don't speak Mandarin. I mean,
Speaker 4: of all the languages of the Earth that would be
Speaker 4: appropriate to learn, they're going to speak English.
Speaker 3: I don't buy it one bit.
Speaker 1: By the way, I like that you think that they're
Speaker 1: lying and not him.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the other thing. This is where my brain went.
Speaker 4: Let's just say that it's just them telling us that
Speaker 4: because they just don't want us to go outside, you know,
Speaker 4: don't go don't go gallivanting, don't make your own spaceship
Speaker 4: and go r ving on your own.
Speaker 1: Oh right, I always say, I think Earth is like
Speaker 1: the bad neighborhood of the galaxy, and I don't think
Speaker 1: that they want Earth people find in right, So they
Speaker 1: probably gave a fake address, and I don't blame them.
Speaker 3: We're from Venus. You've heard of Venus.
Speaker 1: It's possible that also they don't know where they're from,
Speaker 1: because he was saying that they seem to be very
Speaker 1: ignorant of a lot of just typical stuff. But they're
Speaker 1: super happy. They're the most cheerful people you ever met.
Speaker 1: Their kids are well behaved. They say that they come
Speaker 1: in peace. You know, they're not looking for any problems here.
Speaker 1: They're a little bit nervous being on Earth because people
Speaker 1: have shot at their UFOs before on Earth.
Speaker 4: Now, is this just a story he's telling, Like, I
Speaker 4: gotta tell the story of this vision I had after
Speaker 4: I licked a frog?
Speaker 3: Or does he have pictures? Did they give him a souvenir?
Speaker 1: Well, I got it for you. Don't you worry. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: read the article. Anyone listening to this that wants to know,
Speaker 1: because there's there's so much stuff that they tell him.
Speaker 3: What's his first ave?
Speaker 1: Samuel Eaton Thompson. Samuel and Thompson speaking of Eaton, they're
Speaker 1: vegans and they prepare him some food. It's completely raw.
Speaker 1: He says that they say they have the same kind
Speaker 1: of crops, essentially on Venus or wherever they're from, who knows,
Speaker 1: maybe they're from Kansas or something.
Speaker 3: Don't come, don't, don't show up.
Speaker 1: Just whatever you do. Okay, So he says, they're never sick,
Speaker 1: they die of only of old age, blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. Honestly, they just tell him so
Speaker 1: much shit. So he ends up staying the night in
Speaker 1: the UFO.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: The next day, he's like, all right, can I go
Speaker 1: get my camera and come back, and they're like fine,
Speaker 1: but just don't bring anyone back with you. He comes back,
Speaker 1: he takes pictures. Now, stuff like this can be a
Speaker 1: little convenient, but he says that none of the pictures
Speaker 1: came out because everything was so glowing and so much
Speaker 1: light was emanating that all of the photos came out blank.
Speaker 1: I don't know. So he basically ends up spending two
Speaker 1: days with them, and I gotta I feel like they're
Speaker 1: very polite. And this is the moment when you text
Speaker 1: your friend, Okay, this guy came over, call me, pretend
Speaker 1: that we're having an emergency, and then you like pick
Speaker 1: up your phone. You're like, oh my god, right, Ray,
Speaker 1: I gotta go, and then you're like, so sorry.
Speaker 4: When you're online dating, you always tell a friend where
Speaker 4: you're going.
Speaker 3: Totally, you tell them.
Speaker 4: They absolutely text you forty minutes in. That immediately gives
Speaker 4: you an out and you're like, oh, it's my grandma.
Speaker 1: I gotta go, which is what they should have done.
Speaker 1: Unless they had a good time with him. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but either way, this man just ate all their food
Speaker 1: and slept in their home for two days essentially, so
Speaker 1: the trip ends because they're like, all right, we gotta go.
Speaker 1: They told him he could contact them whenever, but just
Speaker 1: don't go around telling everybody about it.
Speaker 3: Huh oh.
Speaker 1: And then one more thing that they told him. They
Speaker 1: told him she's got it. Yeah, baby, she's got it.
Speaker 1: I'm your venus, I'm your fire, your desire. That was
Speaker 1: what they told him.
Speaker 3: This is actually real.
Speaker 1: It's just a little color I threw in. So sources
Speaker 1: that knew this man or spoke to him said that
Speaker 1: he's very sincere, does not have a sense of humor.
Speaker 1: He was very serious about it. The writer of the
Speaker 1: article in Fate magazine that I got all this from
Speaker 1: he listened to tapes of this man sharing this stuff,
Speaker 1: and he speculated like maybe it was a dreamlike experience
Speaker 1: that felt real, that he was like kind of pulling
Speaker 1: from different things in his life, kind of like a
Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz moment. Honestly, like who knows. His friends
Speaker 1: and his family were like, girl, it was just such
Speaker 1: an outlandish thing because also he was gone for like
Speaker 1: two days, so they're like what. So he ended up
Speaker 1: coming back with his son and the thing had already
Speaker 1: flown off and there was there was no trace of
Speaker 1: any of this. But Okay, the thing that is crazy
Speaker 1: about this is that there was also a similar story
Speaker 1: by a man named W. H. Hopkins that was published
Speaker 1: in the Saint Louis Post Dispatch in eighteen ninety seven,
Speaker 1: the Gay nineties, and that was basically the same kind
Speaker 1: of thing. In Springfield, Missouri. He saw a naked lady
Speaker 1: with long blonde hair down to her waist that was
Speaker 1: silky with you know, keratin treatment. Honey, she's out there.
Speaker 1: She's got a man with her, you know, masculine version
Speaker 1: of whatever these people are, and he's also naked. And
Speaker 1: this guy communicates with them and they show him around
Speaker 1: their UFO and then they flew off.
Speaker 3: They're very free thinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they sound like hippies. For sure. They do sound
Speaker 1: very fish concert I know. So, I don't know. Do
Speaker 1: you believe any of this?
Speaker 3: I want to. I don't know, like I believe that
Speaker 3: he believes it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I come to that conclusion a lot, which I
Speaker 1: don't mean in a way that discounts the possibility or anything.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't seem like he was lying based on
Speaker 1: what the people around him that talk to him and
Speaker 1: listen to him tell his story and the fact that
Speaker 1: he didn't want any money for it, or.
Speaker 4: It does seem like they were lying. They're not from Venus.
Speaker 4: If they're from Venus, then everybody is lying to us
Speaker 4: about space. This is how yoga instructors start saying that
Speaker 4: vaccines are bad and that they filmed the landing on
Speaker 4: the Moon.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to be one of those people.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, It's definitely a fine line between fun and dangerous.
Speaker 4: Who is keeping the Obviously there are gatekeepers to this
Speaker 4: information because they think our brains will explode, right, But also,
Speaker 4: thank God for your podcast, because you're gonna be the
Speaker 4: only thing that's keeping us all, you know, aware.
Speaker 3: Of the real stuff.
Speaker 1: You guys, well, aliens are not my favorite thing. To
Speaker 1: talk about, but I'm very fascinated by them. I just
Speaker 1: think it gets in such tricky territory so quickly, with
Speaker 1: all of the conspiracy and the government and all of that.
Speaker 1: But I do think that it's definitely a part of
Speaker 1: this conversation.
Speaker 4: And it's part of the paranormal because the universe is expanding, right,
Speaker 4: and I do think that there has got to be
Speaker 4: some sort I don't know what it is, but a
Speaker 4: connection between after life, after life on Earth and the
Speaker 4: universe and its expansion, and more than that, the parallel
Speaker 4: universes that exist. Quantumness being what it is, stuff that
Speaker 4: we just don't understand. There is something in there, the
Speaker 4: multipleness of things and the bigness of it all that
Speaker 4: we just don't get.
Speaker 1: Yes, there was something actually that I skipped in here.
Speaker 1: They told him that all people return to the planet,
Speaker 1: that their astrological sign was when they were born, and
Speaker 1: so he was born in Venus, which is why they
Speaker 1: instantly recognized that at least within him.
Speaker 4: And interesting, well, first of all, I think it's fascinating
Speaker 4: that earth astrology has transcended so many different cultures in
Speaker 4: the universe. I mean, that's right interesting, But also on
Speaker 4: their astrological chart, Earth is going to be a planet.
Speaker 4: They're going to be like, uh, your scorpio is an
Speaker 4: Earth right now, and we never have that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be all twisted.
Speaker 4: They don't even have Venus in their astrological because that's
Speaker 4: their planet.
Speaker 1: But also do they call it Venus in Venus?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Or is that something we decided we call it an Earth?
Speaker 4: Again, everything has been covered in westernized bullshit because of
Speaker 4: course it's got to be one of the goddesses.
Speaker 3: From white people. And you know what I mean, it's
Speaker 3: all it's all that. I bet what happened, I bet
Speaker 3: you anything.
Speaker 4: What happen is they weren't anything like him, and he
Speaker 4: told a story to make it seem like they were
Speaker 4: more Western. They told him outlandish things and said, we're
Speaker 4: from all over here, and guess what.
Speaker 3: You don't know. You don't know that white people aren't
Speaker 3: the center of the universe.
Speaker 4: And then he got mad, and then he wrote this
Speaker 4: whole narrative saying that they spoke his language.
Speaker 3: This is white centering one oh one. See.
Speaker 1: I think so many of these stories are like an
Speaker 1: excuse someone made up in the moment because they were
Speaker 1: trying to deny something like he probably was on his
Speaker 1: way home and decided that he wanted to go to
Speaker 1: a casino or something, and his wife.
Speaker 3: Or he has a lover, he has a male lover
Speaker 3: or a.
Speaker 1: Male lover, and his wife is like, where have you
Speaker 1: been for the past two days? And he's like, it
Speaker 1: was the craziest thing from Venus aliens?
Speaker 4: And can you imagine that aliens taking you is more
Speaker 4: soothing to your nervous system than saying I am in
Speaker 4: love with another.
Speaker 1: Man in nineteen fifty.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's true.
Speaker 1: Oh that's sad, But I don't know if I believe it.
Speaker 1: I want to. The reason I brought up the nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty seven thing is or sorry, the eighteen ninety seven
Speaker 1: thing was that you know, the chances of him having
Speaker 1: read this little tiny press write up about this story
Speaker 1: back then, it's unlikely, but it's a very similar story. However,
Speaker 1: those people said that they were from Mars, but I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 4: The bottom line is there's stuff we don't know. This
Speaker 4: is truly the unknown. Really, we're just trusting people that
Speaker 4: they say, have you know, done the things which a
Speaker 4: lot of those people I do trust, I do true,
Speaker 4: I trust science.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely am here for science for sure, about
Speaker 1: the things that are super important to have the answers to.
Speaker 1: To me, it's not as important as obsessed as I
Speaker 1: am with like our aliens reel or our ghosts reel.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's as important as like vaccines and
Speaker 1: cures for diseases and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Are transgendered children real? They are? They exist?
Speaker 1: Okay, you want to hear some ghost voices? Yes, it's
Speaker 1: time for EVP or EV please. So you played this
Speaker 1: with me the last time you were on. Basically, I
Speaker 1: go to the Internet. I find recorded voices of ghosts
Speaker 1: speaking that people allege our ghosts. I'm gonna play it
Speaker 1: for you, and then we're gonna guess what the person
Speaker 1: that posted it thinks this is saying. So, this first
Speaker 1: one is from Ali's Hauntings O l Ys Hauntings, and
Speaker 1: that is at TikTok at Allie's Hauntings, and they requited
Speaker 1: this in their house. This is a good one. So
Speaker 1: tell me what you think this ghost is saying. It's
Speaker 1: a real soothing chill tone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think that they really want everybody
Speaker 4: to know that the ghosts in their house are mean
Speaker 4: and that they're really good for you for living.
Speaker 3: In that house.
Speaker 1: Let me play it again, get out of my.
Speaker 3: House, something like that. We're terrified for Sarah. We're terrified
Speaker 3: for Sarah. Oh God, we're terrified forever.
Speaker 1: Oh but that's not what they thought. Here's some options.
Speaker 1: Is it A, we can't find Grandpa. Grandpa might be
Speaker 1: on the run. Is it B. I came for crab legs,
Speaker 1: which is you know, like when you bust down the
Speaker 1: door at a red lobster.
Speaker 3: Nobody does that?
Speaker 1: Uh? Is it C? I candify gravity could be a
Speaker 1: wicked fan? Or is it d ah MAA No, No,
Speaker 1: that's just really nothing.
Speaker 3: It's just close close.
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go, let's play it again.
Speaker 3: Can't find Grandpa? What would she say?
Speaker 1: We can't find grandpa?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Why do they have to be so scary sounding?
Speaker 4: Do they know how scary? I think they don't know
Speaker 4: that they sound like that. I'd be way more willing
Speaker 4: to help these ghosts if they were just sort of like.
Speaker 1: Just be nice.
Speaker 4: No, but I don't think they know that they sound
Speaker 4: like that. I think, you know, having to dream, it's
Speaker 4: so hard for you to communicate. And when I'm in
Speaker 4: having a dream and I'm having.
Speaker 5: Another Sometimes I'm trying to talk and say help, and
Speaker 5: I can hear myself. It comes out like, oh, like
Speaker 5: you can't move your mouth like you think you can, right,
Speaker 5: So maybe they think that they're just being like, hey,
Speaker 5: could you help us? We can't find grandpa, And it
Speaker 5: comes out because.
Speaker 3: There it's taking so much effort, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm sure it takes time to figure out
Speaker 1: how to do all the things as a ghost.
Speaker 4: Any ghosts are listening to this podcast, do some feld
Speaker 4: in Christ, do some like voice work.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there needs to be like a theater teacher.
Speaker 4: The mood is very ominous. And that just sounded like
Speaker 4: a pretty decent request.
Speaker 1: Here's one more from their same well, it's from their home.
Speaker 1: What is this one saying?
Speaker 3: Get off of it? I said, get off.
Speaker 1: Of it, Ganda. It's definitely a gut gabba hop gabba hop.
Speaker 1: Gabe Hoffmann, the actress Gabby Hoffmann, huh okay, is it
Speaker 1: a get a load of this b get off of it?
Speaker 1: C give me a bed or D get me some
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: I think it's get off of it.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's a ghost though, that's just
Speaker 4: a person that they.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a TV or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why how do we know that they didn't make
Speaker 3: the noises? Do we know?
Speaker 1: Because it's on TikTok?
Speaker 3: Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: They believe it's get off of it.
Speaker 4: I guess their ghosts, so they don't have a lot
Speaker 4: of pretense. My note to the ghost to be get
Speaker 4: off of it. Please please get off it like that,
Speaker 4: I can handle it.
Speaker 1: Like then you're like, oh, the ghost, it's just one
Speaker 1: more word. It would make all the world of a difference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also you're a ghost. What are you jealous
Speaker 3: that I'm on it?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 3: Why do you suddenly care about material objects?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So many like TikTok get off of it.
Speaker 4: Oh, maybe Allie needs to look at that. Maybe that
Speaker 4: is what it's about.
Speaker 1: Kirsten, you've been such a delight.
Speaker 3: Oh I am better reflection proz.
Speaker 1: You are so brilliant. I love speaking with you. Thank
Speaker 1: you for taking the time. Is there anything you want
Speaker 1: people to know before you go?
Speaker 4: I'm doing this thing that's going to be a theater
Speaker 4: of note. I don't know when it will be, but
Speaker 4: I'm starting a thing called bits. You should be in
Speaker 4: bits ros.
Speaker 1: I want to be in bits.
Speaker 4: It's a salon thing that I'm doing where I invite
Speaker 4: people that I already know are great creators and they
Speaker 4: get up and they do a bit ten minutes or
Speaker 4: less of something that they've been meaning to finish but
Speaker 4: they haven't. They're either finish it, but they do a
Speaker 4: bit of it with the idea that we're doing them
Speaker 4: multiple times. I'll have people on more than once so
Speaker 4: that by the end of you know, if they do
Speaker 4: three or four of them, you've got thirty forty minutes
Speaker 4: of material that you've then worked. Because I think it's
Speaker 4: really important for us creative people to do stuff sometimes
Speaker 4: in front of people, and half of the money goes
Speaker 4: to note and half of it goes right now I'm
Speaker 4: doing one, half of the money is going to Kitty Bungalow,
Speaker 4: which is a cat rescue place, and then the next
Speaker 4: next time it's going to go to the Wildlife Learning Center,
Speaker 4: but it's going to go to a different you know,
Speaker 4: left wing terrible charities that I believe in strongly. And
Speaker 4: it's also just a way for artists to get up
Speaker 4: and make things, people to get up and make things.
Speaker 1: It's also interesting for people to see that process. I
Speaker 1: think I think.
Speaker 4: It's very inspiring. You know, it's we're at fringe right now.
Speaker 4: We're having a Hollywood Fries right now. And I've seen
Speaker 4: a few shows, a few one person shows, some of
Speaker 4: them not good and some of them okay.
Speaker 3: And some of them are great. And I will say
Speaker 3: to you that all of them I've.
Speaker 4: Left feeling like, oh, go go make things because that
Speaker 4: person went and made something, as imperfect as it was,
Speaker 4: it was something and it's valuable.
Speaker 3: For all of us.
Speaker 4: It makes our world better micro microwave and makes the
Speaker 4: world better in general when we make things. But if
Speaker 4: you follow me on Kirsten Vangusness at Kirsten vangsnis on Instagram,
Speaker 4: that's where I usually put things. Or I have a
Speaker 4: website that's Kirsten vegs dot com that sometimes update, but
Speaker 4: if not, it usually just has my Instagram feeds and
Speaker 4: stuff on there.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, my pleasure, Oh thank you so much
Speaker 1: the Kirsten vangs nests guys. I'm having the time of
Speaker 1: my life over here, and I so appreciate you with
Speaker 1: all of your super kind messages and posts about the
Speaker 1: show and following the show and just everything. The ratings,
Speaker 1: you guys are so so sweet. I feel so grateful
Speaker 1: right now, all this hard work that I've put into
Speaker 1: this show over the years, and now with this wonderful
Speaker 1: network exactly right, and so many people are working hard
Speaker 1: on the show, and we you all really appreciate you
Speaker 1: guys loving it and letting us know about it and
Speaker 1: spreading the word. It's fun over here right now, Ohn,
Speaker 1: we're getting closer and closer to spooky time. I love
Speaker 1: you all, both living and dead. But if I didn't
Speaker 1: ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.
Speaker 3: Okay, by.
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Speaker 1: producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the
Speaker 1: alarming Alex Chief. This episode was mixed and sound designed
Speaker 1: by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the
Speaker 1: petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the hair raising
Speaker 1: Hannah Kyle Krichten. My theme music is by the spine
Speaker 1: chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac,
Speaker 1: Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the
Speaker 1: Chilling Karen Kilgarriff, the Spooky Georgia hart Stark, and the
Speaker 1: Frightening Danielle Kramer.