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Speaker 1: pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I gas nandays, please hey boo.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Ghosted by Raz Hernandez, the podcast that involves

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Speaker 1: me Raz and people that I like talking about spooky, ookee,

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Speaker 1: freaky dieky, weird stuff. I've got on the show today

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Speaker 1: one of my favorites, Kirsten Vang's nest. We get weird

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Speaker 1: uh in this episode. I mean, we're getting alieny. There's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a couple of things that you're gonna go.

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Speaker 3: Is that real?

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Speaker 1: I don't know about all that, but it's good to

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Speaker 1: Ghosted by Ras at gmail dot com and I found

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Speaker 1: an email from a listener named Pearl Pearls Skeptical Pearl writes,

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited that this podcast exists. Growing up and

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Speaker 1: even now, I still live in haunted houses. While I'm

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Speaker 1: a skeptic and seriously try to find any explanation for happenings,

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Speaker 1: sometimes I just cannot find one other than well, ghosts.

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of stories to tell, but I'm

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Speaker 1: going to share my first truly ghostly experience with you.

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Speaker 1: When I was about fifteen years old, I was home

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Speaker 1: the landline talking to my friend Dan and dragging the

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Speaker 1: but assuming that I was responsible during my mindless wandering,

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Speaker 1: I laughed, unexplainably. Right then the phone hung up, leaving

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Speaker 1: She's not here. Dan swore that he had just had

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Speaker 1: Now this story is pretty typical, I feel, but the

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Speaker 1: At that point, like, oh, okay, guys, speaking of talking

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Speaker 1: and I want to share that conversation with you on

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Speaker 1: with the show. Oh my god, I am joined today

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Speaker 1: by a true icon of eyewear, Kirsten Vang's Nest. Hello, Hi,

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Speaker 1: how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm good. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, thanks for coming back. So, for some reason,

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Speaker 1: the word weird is in my head today. It's because

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Speaker 1: I was researching some really really weird stuff.

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Speaker 3: And weird is such a cool word.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I mean, what's your relationship with that word?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: I think of like the weird Sisters from Macbeth. Oh,

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Speaker 3: which are the witches? They call them the weird Sisters.

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Speaker 4: Okay, And if I was cool enough, I would have

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Speaker 3: But I can't remember what exactly weird means.

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Speaker 4: it doesn't just mean being strange, right. It probably has

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Speaker 4: something to do with femininity and it being full.

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Speaker 3: Of mystery and evil. You know, It's like it's there synonymous.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: It's like being left handed, which I am. It's all

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Speaker 4: Beware the feminine inside of the for it will come

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Speaker 4: and recavic and call up all of the evil spirits,

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Speaker 4: and I relate.

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Speaker 1: Do you identify as weird?

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, yes.

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Speaker 1: I remember my friend's kid one time was like, you're weird,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather be weird. I'm always here for anybody. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of like I always feel like it's better to

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Speaker 3: Making a choice.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is.

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Speaker 3: Weird is making your own.

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Speaker 1: Choice, totally. I'm gonna look it up. Okay, so weird.

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Speaker 1: This is not giving me a good definition.

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Speaker 3: No, we look up etymology of weird.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, etymology, because that's where they get you. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Originally meant having the power to control destiny. There it

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Speaker 1: is making a choice, thank you. So I want to

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Speaker 3: Let's get weird.

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Speaker 1: Let's get weird.

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Speaker 4: Actually, my partner, we're just about to celebrate our three

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Speaker 4: There are those of us that are more in touch

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Speaker 4: So when you talk about paranormal stuff, you're basically talking

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Speaker 1: Well, my metaphorical uterus is about to pop with some weirdness.

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Speaker 1: I am crowning over here, that's right. Have you had

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Speaker 4: Honestly? Paranormal? What is the definition of paranormal?

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Speaker 1: Not normal? Now? I don't okay, para you know things

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Speaker 1: is denoting events or phenomena, which might be my favorite word.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think that my whole life is serious paranormal experiences.

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Speaker 4: There are people that choose to believe that they aren't

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Speaker 4: Find myself daily reminding myself to keep up with those deals,

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Speaker 4: one of which is that I.

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Speaker 3: Make stuff with him. I don't know if I even buy.

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Speaker 4: Every time that I've gone with a friend who's gone

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Speaker 4: not the friend who's like, we got to know listen

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Speaker 4: the friend that will go with them person. So ras

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Speaker 3: I am the person to call.

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Speaker 4: I'm the begrudging like, okay, I'll bring a backpack full

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Speaker 4: And then what happens is I go and I sit down,

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Speaker 4: and then that fucking person will say something.

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Speaker 3: This happens every time.

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Speaker 4: The last time it was like, okay, over here, get

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Speaker 3: Died very young, but it's been.

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Speaker 4: A long time and he's right here, and fuck you, Michael. Okay, Yes,

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Speaker 4: I get so frustrated because it's not like I don't

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Speaker 4: believe it. It gets to a certain point where I'm like,

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Speaker 3: Can you just talk to me when we get home?

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that people always say whenever I

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Speaker 4: encounter that stuff is, oh, he such a presence because

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, And it's.

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Speaker 4: It's always really affected me because I always want him around,

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Speaker 4: so I do think about him. So to answer your question,

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Speaker 3: But yet your dad told you there's no beer in heaven.

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Speaker 4: And again people can say like she's just making shit up.

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Speaker 1: I think it's like sense of humor. Sometimes you think

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Speaker 3: It's right.

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Speaker 1: It takes courage to be able to like put yourself

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Speaker 4: Some people think they're Eddie Murphy and some people are

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Speaker 3: When it comes to psychics.

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Speaker 4: I think it was because he was talking. We were

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Speaker 4: And I hadn't said anything, but he said, there's somebody

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Speaker 3: But he's not invited.

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Speaker 4: You don't invite him in he's actually outside smoking a

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Speaker 3: Wait what again, It's like, I don't know what I believe.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I believe that or not believe

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Speaker 4: that tracks because I don't let him in. However, this

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Speaker 3: And then there's like the expanded version.

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Speaker 4: Like I've had plenty of times whe I've been in

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Speaker 4: you know, this person that I've had trauma happen that

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Speaker 4: I think about that, and I'm like, that would be

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Speaker 4: really cool if that happens. My fairy godmother, I lived

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Speaker 4: she was so open hearted with me. Carol, and she

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Speaker 4: these times, I got dragged with one of my friends

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Speaker 4: and said she's taking care of babies now, and that

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Speaker 4: I like, there's a part of me that's like these

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Speaker 3: You die, you go to planets and you heal yourself.

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Speaker 4: If you were already great, you get to get in

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Speaker 4: there's like little tiny bits of your ghosts that smoke

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Speaker 4: like or Wright saw movies.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but like there's just different I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So going back to who was in your house

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Speaker 1: that's a psychic? Or who was this person.

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Speaker 3: That was telling me about my dad?

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Speaker 4: Yes, that was someone that I know through somebody else

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Speaker 3: I was actually at their house.

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Speaker 4: Because the way he in which he just described him,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you just don't know. But it was enough

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Speaker 4: And more than that, it helped me when that guy

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Speaker 3: That helped me. That was like, ooh, she's getting better.

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Speaker 1: That's inspiring because I go to like these haunted places

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Speaker 1: I do think that we have more power, Like I'm alive,

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Speaker 1: you're dad.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but yes and yes and.

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Speaker 1: Okay taking us to the groundlings.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Because I'm with a professional. I need to.

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Speaker 4: Anybody who in any degree wants to be empathetic or

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Speaker 4: is you have to curate your feed, you know, whether

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Speaker 4: it's your social media, what you consume, You consume whatever

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Speaker 3: I mean they're not saying I'm not putting a.

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Speaker 4: Moral judgment what people consume, but I am saying if

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Speaker 4: a person who happens to be very good at picking

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Speaker 4: up on everybody's radio frequencies, which I will now go

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Speaker 4: back to weirdos. If you were a kid who was

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Speaker 4: but you have to maintain your own radio station and

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Speaker 4: not get confused with their radio station, not invite them in.

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Speaker 4: It's almost like humming a song while other people are

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Speaker 4: singing around you, and you have to keep your song

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Speaker 4: going because you can.

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Speaker 3: In those spaces.

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Speaker 4: Like you said, those spookeras start all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: That's how they turn you into one of their bride ghosts.

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Speaker 3: That's how they do it.

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Speaker 1: But that's the role I was born for, I know,

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Speaker 1: but not yet.

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Speaker 4: You're met for more than singing Freirazhaka in an old,

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Speaker 3: There's more to you than that.

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Speaker 4: I don't want that, I know, I know, but that's just

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Speaker 1: Okay. This is the extraterrestrial contact tee known as Samuel

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Speaker 1: Eaton Thompson. Ever hear of this story, no, well, listen

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Speaker 1: to this. This is a weird one. It was originally

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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty one.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: So this man that we're talking about, Samuel Eaton Thompson,

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Speaker 1: and honey, he was eaten, he ate. There was no

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Speaker 1: crumbs left behind after this story. He never sought notoriety

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Speaker 1: article didn't come out until nineteen eighty one. And the

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00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: thing is, it didn't get very much attention at the

442
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: time in nineteen fifty because it's such an outlandish story. Okay,

443
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: So Samuel Eaton Thomas, he's a retired railroad worker. He's

444
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:14,239
Speaker 1: in his seventies. He's in Centrallia, Washington. He says that

445
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: he is visiting his family in the western part of

446
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: Washington and he's on his way back home. He's driving, Okay,

447
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: pulls over in a forested area and he decides, you

448
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: know what, I'm just gonna get out. I'm gonna explore.

449
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: He sees this walking trail.

450
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: It's beautiful.

451
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, why not stretch my legs out? You know, maybe

452
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: he had to pee, I don't know. So he goes

453
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: through this little trail and he sees a big old

454
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: ufo hovering above the trees. So he goes a little

455
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: closer to it and he sees that there's steps that

456
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: are leading down to the ground from the ufo, and

457
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,959
Speaker 1: on the steps there's a bunch of small people, presumably

458
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: children that are just like playing and having a good time.

459
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 3: Human children.

460
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: Well, he says that they have finer features than a human. Okay,

461
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: they had dark tans, long luscious blonde hair that went

462
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: down to their waists. And he says he's not scared.

463
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 1: He's like totally here for it. And he starts getting closer,

464
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: and he says that at about fifty feet from it,

465
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 1: he can feel that there's heat emanating from it. So

466
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: he gets a little closer, and then he notices that

467
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: there's bigger ones, presumably adults, that are like peeking out

468
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: I think from the UFO from up above, and they're

469
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: kind of like, okay, creep, Like, we're trying to enjoy

470
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: our vacation here with our kids. We took our RV out.

471
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're just trying to let the children do a

472
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 4: little dancing outside.

473
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, get their wiggles out.

474
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just here on Earth for like, we're just

475
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: on our vacation. We want to just enjoy the gravity. Yeah.

476
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: Like that's a new theory I have that UFOs are

477
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: basically like RV trips for aliens. You know.

478
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, are they deadheads?

479
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 4: Oh? Do they treat Earth like it's a fish concert, yes,

480
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 4: where other people.

481
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: They're like, we're going to Earth and they're.

482
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 4: Like Earth, Like, isn't that just a twenty five minute

483
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 4: xylophone solo.

484
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: They're like, let's get trippy, man, why beware there's seventy

485
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: year old men that might creep up on you. Yeah.

486
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: So at first they're like, okay, what are you doing weirdo? Yeah,

487
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, no, I come in peace. And

488
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, fine, you want to come in, you

489
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: can check out or win a bago or whatever, you know,

490
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: come on in, right, right right. They tell him alleged

491
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: like to take off his shoes and socks. And by

492
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: the way, all these people are naked.

493
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 3: You know what's weird is I don't know if you

494
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 3: told me that.

495
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 4: Maybe you told me at the beginning, but in my

496
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 4: mind from jump, they're all naked. Yeah, which is why

497
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 4: I thought of the fish thing, because I was thinking

498
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 4: of the cover of that lead zepplmetalbum with the child

499
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 4: crawling on them.

500
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: With the long hair. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, totally. So they

501
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: tell him that they're from Venus.

502
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 3: Okay, they're lying, they're lying.

503
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: They say they're from Venus and that they lying. He

504
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: says that they speak kind of in improper English. Now

505
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: this also brings up to me, like I hear these

506
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: stories of aliens that telepathically speak to people, and could

507
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: we argue that these beings that we don't understand that

508
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: part of their special advanced gifts is that they can

509
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: speak in a way that we understand, or are we

510
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: supposed to believe that they straight up speak English on venus?

511
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 4: Oh my god, so so western centric?

512
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 3: Of course they speak English.

513
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 4: They don't speak Spanish, right, they don't speak Mandarin. I mean,

514
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 4: of all the languages of the Earth that would be

515
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 4: appropriate to learn, they're going to speak English.

516
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 3: I don't buy it one bit.

517
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: By the way, I like that you think that they're

518
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: lying and not him.

519
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 3: Well, here's the other thing. This is where my brain went.

520
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 4: Let's just say that it's just them telling us that

521
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 4: because they just don't want us to go outside, you know,

522
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 4: don't go don't go gallivanting, don't make your own spaceship

523
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 4: and go r ving on your own.

524
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: Oh right, I always say, I think Earth is like

525
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: the bad neighborhood of the galaxy, and I don't think

526
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: that they want Earth people find in right, So they

527
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: probably gave a fake address, and I don't blame them.

528
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: We're from Venus. You've heard of Venus.

529
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: It's possible that also they don't know where they're from,

530
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: because he was saying that they seem to be very

531
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: ignorant of a lot of just typical stuff. But they're

532
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: super happy. They're the most cheerful people you ever met.

533
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: Their kids are well behaved. They say that they come

534
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: in peace. You know, they're not looking for any problems here.

535
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: They're a little bit nervous being on Earth because people

536
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: have shot at their UFOs before on Earth.

537
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 4: Now, is this just a story he's telling, Like, I

538
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 4: gotta tell the story of this vision I had after

539
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 4: I licked a frog?

540
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 3: Or does he have pictures? Did they give him a souvenir?

541
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: Well, I got it for you. Don't you worry. I mean, honestly,

542
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: read the article. Anyone listening to this that wants to know,

543
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: because there's there's so much stuff that they tell him.

544
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: What's his first ave?

545
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: Samuel Eaton Thompson. Samuel and Thompson speaking of Eaton, they're

546
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: vegans and they prepare him some food. It's completely raw.

547
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: He says that they say they have the same kind

548
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: of crops, essentially on Venus or wherever they're from, who knows,

549
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: maybe they're from Kansas or something.

550
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: Don't come, don't, don't show up.

551
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: Just whatever you do. Okay, So he says, they're never sick,

552
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: they die of only of old age, blah blah blah

553
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. Honestly, they just tell him so

554
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: much shit. So he ends up staying the night in

555
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: the UFO.

556
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 3: Oh.

557
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: The next day, he's like, all right, can I go

558
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: get my camera and come back, and they're like fine,

559
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: but just don't bring anyone back with you. He comes back,

560
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: he takes pictures. Now, stuff like this can be a

561
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: little convenient, but he says that none of the pictures

562
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: came out because everything was so glowing and so much

563
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: light was emanating that all of the photos came out blank.

564
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. So he basically ends up spending two

565
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: days with them, and I gotta I feel like they're

566
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: very polite. And this is the moment when you text

567
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: your friend, Okay, this guy came over, call me, pretend

568
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: that we're having an emergency, and then you like pick

569
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: up your phone. You're like, oh my god, right, Ray,

570
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: I gotta go, and then you're like, so sorry.

571
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 4: When you're online dating, you always tell a friend where

572
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 4: you're going.

573
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: Totally, you tell them.

574
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 4: They absolutely text you forty minutes in. That immediately gives

575
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 4: you an out and you're like, oh, it's my grandma.

576
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: I gotta go, which is what they should have done.

577
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: Unless they had a good time with him. I don't know,

578
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: but either way, this man just ate all their food

579
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 1: and slept in their home for two days essentially, so

580
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: the trip ends because they're like, all right, we gotta go.

581
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: They told him he could contact them whenever, but just

582
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: don't go around telling everybody about it.

583
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: Huh oh.

584
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: And then one more thing that they told him. They

585
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: told him she's got it. Yeah, baby, she's got it.

586
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: I'm your venus, I'm your fire, your desire. That was

587
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: what they told him.

588
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: This is actually real.

589
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: It's just a little color I threw in. So sources

590
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: that knew this man or spoke to him said that

591
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: he's very sincere, does not have a sense of humor.

592
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: He was very serious about it. The writer of the

593
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: article in Fate magazine that I got all this from

594
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: he listened to tapes of this man sharing this stuff,

595
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: and he speculated like maybe it was a dreamlike experience

596
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: that felt real, that he was like kind of pulling

597
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: from different things in his life, kind of like a

598
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz moment. Honestly, like who knows. His friends

599
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: and his family were like, girl, it was just such

600
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,239
Speaker 1: an outlandish thing because also he was gone for like

601
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: two days, so they're like what. So he ended up

602
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: coming back with his son and the thing had already

603
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,479
Speaker 1: flown off and there was there was no trace of

604
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: any of this. But Okay, the thing that is crazy

605
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: about this is that there was also a similar story

606
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: by a man named W. H. Hopkins that was published

607
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: in the Saint Louis Post Dispatch in eighteen ninety seven,

608
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: the Gay nineties, and that was basically the same kind

609
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: of thing. In Springfield, Missouri. He saw a naked lady

610
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: with long blonde hair down to her waist that was

611
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: silky with you know, keratin treatment. Honey, she's out there.

612
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: She's got a man with her, you know, masculine version

613
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: of whatever these people are, and he's also naked. And

614
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: this guy communicates with them and they show him around

615
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: their UFO and then they flew off.

616
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: They're very free thinking.

617
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, they sound like hippies. For sure. They do sound

618
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: very fish concert I know. So, I don't know. Do

619
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: you believe any of this?

620
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: I want to. I don't know, like I believe that

621
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 3: he believes it.

622
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. I come to that conclusion a lot, which I

623
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: don't mean in a way that discounts the possibility or anything.

624
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: But it doesn't seem like he was lying based on

625
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: what the people around him that talk to him and

626
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: listen to him tell his story and the fact that

627
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: he didn't want any money for it, or.

628
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 4: It does seem like they were lying. They're not from Venus.

629
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: If they're from Venus, then everybody is lying to us

630
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 4: about space. This is how yoga instructors start saying that

631
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 4: vaccines are bad and that they filmed the landing on

632
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 4: the Moon.

633
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: And I don't want to be one of those people.

634
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: No, no, no, It's definitely a fine line between fun and dangerous.

635
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 4: Who is keeping the Obviously there are gatekeepers to this

636
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 4: information because they think our brains will explode, right, But also,

637
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 4: thank God for your podcast, because you're gonna be the

638
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 4: only thing that's keeping us all, you know, aware.

639
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: Of the real stuff.

640
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: You guys, well, aliens are not my favorite thing. To

641
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: talk about, but I'm very fascinated by them. I just

642
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: think it gets in such tricky territory so quickly, with

643
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: all of the conspiracy and the government and all of that.

644
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: But I do think that it's definitely a part of

645
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: this conversation.

646
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 4: And it's part of the paranormal because the universe is expanding, right,

647
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 4: and I do think that there has got to be

648
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 4: some sort I don't know what it is, but a

649
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 4: connection between after life, after life on Earth and the

650
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 4: universe and its expansion, and more than that, the parallel

651
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 4: universes that exist. Quantumness being what it is, stuff that

652
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 4: we just don't understand. There is something in there, the

653
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 4: multipleness of things and the bigness of it all that

654
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 4: we just don't get.

655
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: Yes, there was something actually that I skipped in here.

656
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: They told him that all people return to the planet,

657
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: that their astrological sign was when they were born, and

658
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: so he was born in Venus, which is why they

659
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: instantly recognized that at least within him.

660
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 4: And interesting, well, first of all, I think it's fascinating

661
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 4: that earth astrology has transcended so many different cultures in

662
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 4: the universe. I mean, that's right interesting, But also on

663
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 4: their astrological chart, Earth is going to be a planet.

664
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 4: They're going to be like, uh, your scorpio is an

665
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 4: Earth right now, and we never have that.

666
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be all twisted.

667
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 4: They don't even have Venus in their astrological because that's

668
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 4: their planet.

669
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: But also do they call it Venus in Venus?

670
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 3: No?

671
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: Or is that something we decided we call it an Earth?

672
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 4: Again, everything has been covered in westernized bullshit because of

673
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 4: course it's got to be one of the goddesses.

674
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 3: From white people. And you know what I mean, it's

675
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: all it's all that. I bet what happened, I bet

676
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 3: you anything.

677
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 4: What happen is they weren't anything like him, and he

678
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 4: told a story to make it seem like they were

679
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 4: more Western. They told him outlandish things and said, we're

680
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 4: from all over here, and guess what.

681
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 3: You don't know. You don't know that white people aren't

682
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 3: the center of the universe.

683
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 4: And then he got mad, and then he wrote this

684
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 4: whole narrative saying that they spoke his language.

685
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: This is white centering one oh one. See.

686
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: I think so many of these stories are like an

687
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: excuse someone made up in the moment because they were

688
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: trying to deny something like he probably was on his

689
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: way home and decided that he wanted to go to

690
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: a casino or something, and his wife.

691
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 3: Or he has a lover, he has a male lover

692
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 3: or a.

693
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: Male lover, and his wife is like, where have you

694
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: been for the past two days? And he's like, it

695
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: was the craziest thing from Venus aliens?

696
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 4: And can you imagine that aliens taking you is more

697
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 4: soothing to your nervous system than saying I am in

698
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 4: love with another.

699
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: Man in nineteen fifty.

700
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: I mean, it's true.

701
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: Oh that's sad, But I don't know if I believe it.

702
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: I want to. The reason I brought up the nineteen

703
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: eighty seven thing is or sorry, the eighteen ninety seven

704
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: thing was that you know, the chances of him having

705
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: read this little tiny press write up about this story

706
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: back then, it's unlikely, but it's a very similar story. However,

707
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: those people said that they were from Mars, but I

708
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: don't know.

709
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 4: The bottom line is there's stuff we don't know. This

710
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 4: is truly the unknown. Really, we're just trusting people that

711
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 4: they say, have you know, done the things which a

712
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 4: lot of those people I do trust, I do true,

713
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 4: I trust science.

714
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely am here for science for sure, about

715
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: the things that are super important to have the answers to.

716
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: To me, it's not as important as obsessed as I

717
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: am with like our aliens reel or our ghosts reel.

718
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it's as important as like vaccines and

719
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: cures for diseases and stuff like that.

720
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: Are transgendered children real? They are? They exist?

721
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: Okay, you want to hear some ghost voices? Yes, it's

722
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: time for EVP or EV please. So you played this

723
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: with me the last time you were on. Basically, I

724
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: go to the Internet. I find recorded voices of ghosts

725
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: speaking that people allege our ghosts. I'm gonna play it

726
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: for you, and then we're gonna guess what the person

727
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: that posted it thinks this is saying. So, this first

728
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: one is from Ali's Hauntings O l Ys Hauntings, and

729
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: that is at TikTok at Allie's Hauntings, and they requited

730
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: this in their house. This is a good one. So

731
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: tell me what you think this ghost is saying. It's

732
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: a real soothing chill tone.

733
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think that they really want everybody

734
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 4: to know that the ghosts in their house are mean

735
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 4: and that they're really good for you for living.

736
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 3: In that house.

737
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: Let me play it again, get out of my.

738
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: House, something like that. We're terrified for Sarah. We're terrified

739
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 3: for Sarah. Oh God, we're terrified forever.

740
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: Oh but that's not what they thought. Here's some options.

741
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: Is it A, we can't find Grandpa. Grandpa might be

742
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: on the run. Is it B. I came for crab legs,

743
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: which is you know, like when you bust down the

744
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: door at a red lobster.

745
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 3: Nobody does that?

746
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: Uh? Is it C? I candify gravity could be a

747
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: wicked fan? Or is it d ah MAA No, No,

748
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: that's just really nothing.

749
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 3: It's just close close.

750
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go, let's play it again.

751
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 3: Can't find Grandpa? What would she say?

752
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: We can't find grandpa?

753
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? Why do they have to be so scary sounding?

754
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 4: Do they know how scary? I think they don't know

755
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 4: that they sound like that. I'd be way more willing

756
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 4: to help these ghosts if they were just sort of like.

757
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: Just be nice.

758
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 4: No, but I don't think they know that they sound

759
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 4: like that. I think, you know, having to dream, it's

760
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 4: so hard for you to communicate. And when I'm in

761
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 4: having a dream and I'm having.

762
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 5: Another Sometimes I'm trying to talk and say help, and

763
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 5: I can hear myself. It comes out like, oh, like

764
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 5: you can't move your mouth like you think you can, right,

765
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 5: So maybe they think that they're just being like, hey,

766
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 5: could you help us? We can't find grandpa, And it

767
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 5: comes out because.

768
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 3: There it's taking so much effort, you know.

769
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm sure it takes time to figure out

770
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: how to do all the things as a ghost.

771
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 4: Any ghosts are listening to this podcast, do some feld

772
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 4: in Christ, do some like voice work.

773
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there needs to be like a theater teacher.

774
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 4: The mood is very ominous. And that just sounded like

775
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 4: a pretty decent request.

776
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: Here's one more from their same well, it's from their home.

777
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: What is this one saying?

778
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 3: Get off of it? I said, get off.

779
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: Of it, Ganda. It's definitely a gut gabba hop gabba hop.

780
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: Gabe Hoffmann, the actress Gabby Hoffmann, huh okay, is it

781
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: a get a load of this b get off of it?

782
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: C give me a bed or D get me some

783
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: of it.

784
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 3: I think it's get off of it.

785
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's a ghost though, that's just

786
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 4: a person that they.

787
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: It sounds like a TV or something.

788
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, why how do we know that they didn't make

789
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: the noises? Do we know?

790
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: Because it's on TikTok?

791
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 3: Okay, that makes sense.

792
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: They believe it's get off of it.

793
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 4: I guess their ghosts, so they don't have a lot

794
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 4: of pretense. My note to the ghost to be get

795
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 4: off of it. Please please get off it like that,

796
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 4: I can handle it.

797
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: Like then you're like, oh, the ghost, it's just one

798
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: more word. It would make all the world of a difference.

799
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also you're a ghost. What are you jealous

800
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: that I'm on it?

801
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 6: Like?

802
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: Why do you suddenly care about material objects?

803
00:42:59,080 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: Like?

804
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? So many like TikTok get off of it.

805
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 4: Oh, maybe Allie needs to look at that. Maybe that

806
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 4: is what it's about.

807
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: Kirsten, you've been such a delight.

808
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: Oh I am better reflection proz.

809
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: You are so brilliant. I love speaking with you. Thank

810
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: you for taking the time. Is there anything you want

811
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 1: people to know before you go?

812
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 4: I'm doing this thing that's going to be a theater

813
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 4: of note. I don't know when it will be, but

814
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 4: I'm starting a thing called bits. You should be in

815
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 4: bits ros.

816
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: I want to be in bits.

817
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 4: It's a salon thing that I'm doing where I invite

818
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 4: people that I already know are great creators and they

819
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 4: get up and they do a bit ten minutes or

820
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 4: less of something that they've been meaning to finish but

821
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 4: they haven't. They're either finish it, but they do a

822
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 4: bit of it with the idea that we're doing them

823
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 4: multiple times. I'll have people on more than once so

824
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 4: that by the end of you know, if they do

825
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 4: three or four of them, you've got thirty forty minutes

826
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 4: of material that you've then worked. Because I think it's

827
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 4: really important for us creative people to do stuff sometimes

828
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 4: in front of people, and half of the money goes

829
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 4: to note and half of it goes right now I'm

830
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 4: doing one, half of the money is going to Kitty Bungalow,

831
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 4: which is a cat rescue place, and then the next

832
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 4: next time it's going to go to the Wildlife Learning Center,

833
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 4: but it's going to go to a different you know,

834
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 4: left wing terrible charities that I believe in strongly. And

835
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 4: it's also just a way for artists to get up

836
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,959
Speaker 4: and make things, people to get up and make things.

837
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: It's also interesting for people to see that process. I

838
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: think I think.

839
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 4: It's very inspiring. You know, it's we're at fringe right now.

840
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 4: We're having a Hollywood Fries right now. And I've seen

841
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 4: a few shows, a few one person shows, some of

842
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 4: them not good and some of them okay.

843
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: And some of them are great. And I will say

844
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 3: to you that all of them I've.

845
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 4: Left feeling like, oh, go go make things because that

846
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 4: person went and made something, as imperfect as it was,

847
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 4: it was something and it's valuable.

848
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: For all of us.

849
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 4: It makes our world better micro microwave and makes the

850
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: world better in general when we make things. But if

851
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 4: you follow me on Kirsten Vangusness at Kirsten vangsnis on Instagram,

852
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 4: that's where I usually put things. Or I have a

853
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 4: website that's Kirsten vegs dot com that sometimes update, but

854
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 4: if not, it usually just has my Instagram feeds and

855
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 4: stuff on there.

856
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, my pleasure, Oh thank you so much

857
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: the Kirsten vangs nests guys. I'm having the time of

858
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: my life over here, and I so appreciate you with

859
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: all of your super kind messages and posts about the

860
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: show and following the show and just everything. The ratings,

861
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: you guys are so so sweet. I feel so grateful

862
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: right now, all this hard work that I've put into

863
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: this show over the years, and now with this wonderful

864
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: network exactly right, and so many people are working hard

865
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: on the show, and we you all really appreciate you

866
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: guys loving it and letting us know about it and

867
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: spreading the word. It's fun over here right now, Ohn,

868
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: we're getting closer and closer to spooky time. I love

869
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: you all, both living and dead. But if I didn't

870
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.

871
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 3: Okay, by.

872
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production. Want to share

873
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: your paranormal experience on the podcast. I read stories out

874
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: loud and sometimes I'll even call you, so email me

875
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com. You can

876
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: send a DM or voice message to the show's Instagram

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Speaker 1: producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the

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Speaker 1: alarming Alex Chief. This episode was mixed and sound designed

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Speaker 1: petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the hair raising

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Speaker 1: Hannah Kyle Krichten. My theme music is by the spine

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Speaker 1: chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac,

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Speaker 1: Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the

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Speaker 1: Chilling Karen Kilgarriff, the Spooky Georgia hart Stark, and the

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