WEBVTT - Almost Paradise 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.800 This is the Ben and Ashley I almost Famous podcast 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:04.640 with iHeartRadio. 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:10.639 Hey, y'all, welcome to the almost Famous podcast. We're back 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:12.480 of Paradise is back. It feels like it's been a 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.720 long time since I've seen Ben. I told him to 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:19.360 save all his thoughts on this new season of Paradise, 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.880 which to remind everyone if it didn't, if it wasn't 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:27.680 latantly obvious to you when you're watching this episode, this 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:29.160 is a whole new production team. 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.160 Well, I think it brings in a few things. One, 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:36.840 I didn't feel like your intros was representing the excited 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:39.720 energy that you and I have towards the start of 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:45.280 a new season of something. But I think the main 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.560 point that you just made is super important. It showed 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.120 you know, we've talked for months now about Hey, the 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.360 production team has gotten fired and nobody that we know 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.840 still works there. And I think people maybe from the 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.560 outside heard that as a playing as a concern or whatever. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.760 But I think watching this episode represents how much a 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:10.920 production team actually has when it comes to how the 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:13.480 show is seen. Like they have a lot of influence. 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:18.560 It is incredibly important, and different productions teams will have 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:22.520 different aspects and this New One took a totally different 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:24.360 route when it comes to Bachelor in Paradise. 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:30.200 It was so stylized and modernized. And I am not 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.480 somebody who watches Love Island. I know it is the 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:38.240 biggest show out there right now, so I can't even compare. 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:40.920 Although now I feel like, for research sake, I feel 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.440 like I have to watch Love Island because it's their 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:47.400 main competition. It's come and it's swooped up what they 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:52.760 had maybe like originated in some sense, and I just 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:57.120 felt like when I watched the first fifteen minutes especially, 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.320 I was like, oh my god, they're trying to be 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.920 Love Island. Now, I say this not know and Love 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:06.640 Island very well right, but it's just stylized edited so 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.480 much differently. One of the big things that stood out 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:13.520 to me was that we're talking to the barrel the 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.919 lens of the camera. We are not talking to a producer, 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.840 our eyes are. They're talking directly to the audience. 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:26.320 And we can't be hypocritical. We wanted the aspect of 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:33.919 less production. However, watching this episode, I think we need 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.800 to start this episode with some of our complaints and 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:38.320 then end with some of the things that we were 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.840 really in favor of and we really enjoyed because there 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:45.560 were those elements as well. For sure, I think personally, 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:51.160 Bachelor in Paradise's secret sauce was that old style kind 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.880 of TV. You watched it and it made you feel 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:58.840 like it hasn't changed in ten years. It was the 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:06.000 Bachelor type TV. It was less produced in a lot 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.679 of ways because it was hidden cameras. It wasn't the 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:13.280 highest quality camera. There wasn't like the clip art snapshots 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:17.160 coming in. This did take the Love Island vibe, which 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:21.040 I think is an attempt to modernize Bachelor in Paradise. However, 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.040 I don't know if Bachelor in Paradise is at a 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.440 place to compete with Love Island. I think Bachelor in 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:31.079 Paradise had its own special sauce that Love Island could 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.840 never have, and that's why Love Island didn't go with 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.520 the Bachelor in Paradise vibe. They went with their own vibe, 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:41.160 and I think the two can coexist. However, now Bachelor 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:44.200 of Paradise is throwing themselves in that Love Island bucket, 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.600 and you and I both said we want this less produced. 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.560 I don't know if this was less produced. I actually 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:54.920 think it was more produced, even with the in camera 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.680 talking than previous seasons. 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:03.200 They wanted to come across is like slick and to me, 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:09.040 so Love Island is trashy, right, Like, It's like it's 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.040 got a lot more edge, it has a lot more 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.520 raunch to it, and I think with Paradise, it was 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:18.479 still that Bachelor foundational show where it was like love 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:23.400 and it wasn't supposed to be shocking. It was supposed 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.760 to be a little grittier than Paradise, right, but there 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:27.920 was supposed to be like a much shock value to it. 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:32.440 And while there weren't a ton of raunchy comments, they 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:36.279 definitely wanted to come across as like it felt like 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.360 more of like an MTV dating show where it's like 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:41.840 I'm so and so, and like I'm a bit dip 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.960 dipper with my face, like flashing different angles in my face, 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.960 like in front of the description of myself. It just 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.600 it didn't feel as comfy and warm as Paradise usually feels. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.839 And yeah, holy moly, with the HD camera, right, it 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:57.760 looks gorgeous. 0:04:58.200 --> 0:04:59.080 It looks gorgeous. 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.479 Yeah, It's just it's just not homey feeling. And a 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.479 lot of that has to do with location change too. 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.719 The resort vibe is going to give more of that sleek, 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:09.760 modern feel than glamping. 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.000 Okay, so the first comment is out of the way. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:17.480 When it comes to not a criticism, I think, you know, 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:22.480 old school transition. I think what the transition. My concern is, 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.880 can Love Island and Bachelor in Paradise coexist with the 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:28.960 same kind of vibe. I feel like Bachelor Paradise should 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.360 have never taken on Love Island, and Love Island should 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.159 have never taken on Bachelor in Paradise. They would have 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.640 better co existed with the original format. That's my take. 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:42.160 I might be wrong. The second thing actually that I 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:43.920 want to talk to you about that could turn into 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:48.160 a criticism could not. But you've been there, you found love. 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:54.359 There is the resort and the venue change. To me, 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:59.160 it was harder to follow where people were at on 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:03.160 the premises and where people were intermingling and not intermingling 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:09.680 because of this new you know venue. However, I understand 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.440 that I need to get used to the new venue. 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:14.640 I will learn it over time, and so this could 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:18.560 just be me not understanding it yet. However, this episode 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:20.839 was harder for me to follow, not harder for me 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:24.800 to watch harder for me to follow because of the 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:25.360 new venue. 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:27.960 It was harder, how so was it harder for you 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.359 to follow or where you just felt like, to me, 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:35.560 the venue feels like a date venue. And yes, this 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.520 is all because we're comparing it to nine previous years. 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.120 But like when Justin was like, Wow, I'm really glad 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.120 that we're on a date now. You know it took 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.239 a while, but I'm glad that we can have this time. 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.440 And then even there was another conversation where Alex was 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:53.160 saying to Jonathan, so, how would being on a date 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.040 with me be different than what we're doing right now? 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.480 And that's kind of what it felt like during Bachelor 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:03.080 in Paradise. Previously, getting out of play Escandida was like 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.640 a treat, and now right now they just feel like 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.400 they're already on kind of like a day, like there's 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.920 no there's there's not much to be had. Different. 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.200 Yeah, I think it was just hard because of it 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.440 felt like a cocktail party where there was different like 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.120 seat segments and so unlike before where you'd have to 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:27.800 have a couple sitting on a sunbed next to another 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.800 couple on a sunbed, now it felt like everybody could 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:37.520 spread out, yeah, in a very comfortable setting. I haven't 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:41.160 seen the places where people can lounge I loved. I 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.280 don't know why. I just noticed this during like this 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:48.120 episode during Bachelor and Paradise previously, I've loved those sunbeds 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.000 where people can like almost lay out and nap. It 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.320 felt like this was very RESORTI where it's like we're 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.080 gonna sit in two separate chairs side by side, or 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:57.520 on a couch sitting straight up. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.400 Because they could nap in their own rooms. It was 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.240 even jarring to hear when there was a thunderstorm that 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.480 people had to go to their separate rooms because I'm 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.680 assuming that there's no cameras in the bedroom, so if 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.320 they can't be outside in the common area, then they 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:12.560 just have to go be alone. 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.960 What would happen in bachelom Paradise previously when there was 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:18.400 a thunderstorm. 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.600 We would go to the treehouse, which was the lounge 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:26.000 room in the bedroom area. There was like a common 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.400 area over on that side, and I always thought it 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:33.080 was weird that they usually didn't use the cameras during 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:38.679 that time. It was like low key shelter together time. 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.439 But I don't know. There must be some reason for 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.160 them not to have the camera equipment out. 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.520 The final thing that got brought up via our social 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:52.400 media when it comes to criticisms of this episode before 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.840 we get into the breakdown of the episode, which we'll 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.000 run through for everybody. This won't be a four hour 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:02.559 podcast like this episode was. Was the Dale Moss love. 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.280 There's a lot of Dale Moss love, especially on his entrance. 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:13.160 Ashley thoughts on the Dale Moss love warranted, unwarranted? How 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:18.080 will Bachelor Nation in a sense the majority respond? 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:22.880 So I put myself into the girl's shoes because as 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:28.559 an outsider and as a fan, I was like, maybe 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.600 I'm speaking without really knowing Dale, but I've been very 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:35.120 team Claire and all of that, and I always thought 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.720 that Dale gave off this ultra polished here for the 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:43.200 fame type vibe, and it was strange to see him 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.000 regarded as some sort of fan favorite, which I don't 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:50.079 think he's ever been. And then I put myself in 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:53.480 the girl's shoes and I did feel what Kat felt, 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.960 which it was like, Holy, an adult male just showed up, 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.000 because a lot of the guys do give off boyish entergy, 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:05.199 but his reputation, if I were there, would have been 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:08.160 more so what I was thinking about. But I totally 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.160 understand how dashing he is. 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:16.480 He's a very handsome man. Yeah, perfect smile. But it 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.160 felt like the show really played it up more than 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.240 they did with even like Justin, who could have easily 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.520 had that same kind of edit. It felt like the 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.040 show was really playing up that Dale was there. 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.840 Well, that's because he was their all star. He was 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.360 their A lister. He's the one that people will remember 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.560 even if they haven't watched the show in a few years. 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:39.640 He more than Justin I think. So. Yeah, I think 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:43.000 Justin is really fun TV, but I don't think that 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:47.080 he's I'm sorry, Justin, I love you, But like I 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.960 think he's more of like a B lister when it 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:53.360 comes to Bachelor Nation, and I think Dale Teeter's on 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:54.000 the A list. 0:10:54.440 --> 0:11:00.160 Well, that's the breakdown of anything sort of a criticism, Ashley. 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.240 Let's run through this episode. I am going to kind 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.120 of lead it because I want to hear your thoughts 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:09.360 and opinions because you have been there. I haven't, and 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.840 so my opinions come from strictly a viewer's standpoint. We've 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.640 got to change. At the opening of the show, we've 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:21.440 kind of mentioned it. I actually personally really enjoyed how 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:25.400 this show opened and how the cast was announced. I 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.480 don't think it gave a great background for us in 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.120 terms of knowing this cast, because I don't think we 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:33.000 know a lot of these people from this cast well. 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:37.640 But I did like the visual effects, the kind of 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:42.240 new arrivals. But I do fully miss the host of 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.000 the show. That was like their only job when it 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.600 comes to paradise. Why is there a host outside of 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.920 Wells if they're not going to introduce people to the beach. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.480 Yeah, we missed the whole long walk down to the sand. 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.360 That arrival moment was missed. 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.480 Do you miss it? Yeah, when you say you miss it, 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.200 you actually miss it? Or is it good to have gone? 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:10.120 I don't know. It's just like it's classic. I miss it, 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.520 but it's not like but it wasn't one of the 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:16.720 things that I thought of. I thought, Oh, this is 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:21.839 a weird, cheesy opening that seems try hard and doesn't 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:26.000 seem like us. I actually didn't think, oh, wow, I 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.800 missed the walk down the paradise until you just said it. 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:33.000 Yeah, it's a different vibe. I didn't hate it. I 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:36.280 didn't hate it. I do miss the host of the show, 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.160 welcoming people to the beach, catching up with him for 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.960 a second, Where have you been? What's love been like? 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:44.800 All right, get down there and that awkward walk down 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:50.480 the steps that isn't sexy, that isn't easy, Yes, but 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.640 I do. I've always appreciated it. You don't have it now. 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.599 That has changed. Like a lot of things on this 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.400 show has changed, the thing hasn't changed is the contestants 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.880 have came from previous seasons of The Bachelor and Bachelorette. 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.880 We won't run through all the names that were announced 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.960 on the Beach just because you've probably watched the show 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.440 already you don't need it. But in short, some of 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:20.120 the standouts were Alex from Grant season, Lexi from Joey's season. 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:25.920 We have Bailey from Grant season, Hakeem from Gen season 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.400 that was a big one. As we mentioned, we have 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:32.760 Dale Moss from Clear season coming on, Zoe from Grant season, 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:38.360 and then some of the other big standouts were Justin 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:43.120 who was from Katie Thurston season but recently dated, Susie Evans. 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:45.440 Those are the big standouts, Those are the ones that 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.920 make up most of the storylines during this episode, including 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:52.440 which Kat and Jonathan also should be included in that 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:53.959 list because they were seen a lot. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.480 Kat was the superstar of this episode. Whenever Kat was 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.520 on the screen, I was smiling, I was laughing such 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.000 she was born to be a reality TV star, and 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:03.720 I felt like. 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:05.400 And I think you and I said this, I think 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:09.560 she had a bad rap coming out of Paradise last season. 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:11.600 I think she got mixed up a little bit. She 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.960 started out strong and ended kind of in this like 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.800 love triangle where she got very upset often, and it 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:21.680 made her seem like she was getting upset for the 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:25.000 most ridiculous reasons. I'm happy to see her back on 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.640 the beach because I do think this could be a 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.160 redemption story for her and one that we get to 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.640 understand her a little bit better. Obviously, she ended up 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.800 with somebody from the last season of Paradise, but it 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.280 just never was pretty last season for her. 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:43.280 She had like that meltdown, that shout fest, and a 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.040 lot of people got her on her for that. I 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.360 think that a lot of people didn't see the humor 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:50.760 that she has. I think a lot of it, she 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:55.040 says is tongue in cheek. She was hilarious in this episode, 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.280 and when she wasn't on the screen, I would sometimes 0:14:58.320 --> 0:14:58.840 get bored. 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:03.040 I'm with you, she will be one of those people 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.000 when she pops on, my attention will be right. 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:15.840 Yeah. 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.200 Actually, before we get in the date card number one, 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.720 which happened during this episode, anything stand out to you 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.960 from kind of the intros and initial conversations. 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:32.120 I guess the initial conversation that jumps out is the 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:38.440 automatic connection between Jess and Spencer. I just throughout the 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.320 episode and yeah, three hours, three hours was too long. 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.440 You and I with our screener, you know, we see it. 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.400 We don't see a condensed version. We see it without 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.400 the commercials. So when I saw that it was almost 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.600 it was two hours and ten minutes of actual airtime, 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:57.320 I was like, oh, this is reserved for finales. This 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:03.240 is usually paired, is chopped up into two days, right, 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.840 so you have your your two hour night than your 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:10.280 hour night. And this felt far too long. I was 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:11.840 in and out of it. It was like kind of 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.320 a rollercoaster where I was like, Oh, I love Paradise, 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:15.920 It's so much fun, and then I was like, oh, 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:19.000 I'm I'm done. Oh I'm back in and again. But 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:20.760 it did have its good moments, and I know that 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:22.600 at the beginning of the episode it was like we 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:26.240 were like, oh girl, But actually there was a lot 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:32.600 of foundational bachelor moments I would not call Justin Spencer's 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:37.280 Justin Spencer were they were the couple that you think 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.400 is gonna make it, and they're just they're not going 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:43.560 to That's what I guess. Oh, I don't. I don't. 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.000 I find that I think he's She's gonna get annoyed 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.240 with him, and I think that I think he can be. 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:52.960 I think he might be annoying. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.520 And you think, I mean, out of anybody, I feel 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.240 like Jess would appreciate the annoyance more than anybody right now. 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.720 Why he's kind of quirky herself. 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.040 Totally, and I think he takes it too. I think 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:05.800 she's quirky and cue and I think that he like 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:07.040 might have like a little bit. 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:12.560 Of a side like a whoa, this is too much? Yeah, 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.320 who's the other guy that I didn't even recognize dark 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.560 hair Military School that also had that vibe to me? 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:20.760 Oh, you think that he had had a vibe to 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:25.240 that was Kyle also from Katie's season. I was he 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.600 got eliminated at the end of this episode, and I 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:34.080 was rooting for him over Jeremy in that loved triangle. 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.600 Okay, well, I mean I think Kyle had that similar 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.320 feel to me. Let's start now with this day card, 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:43.480 because that's really where the episode, to me begins. We 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.399 have a huge storm come in, so Justin cannot take Lexi. 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:52.080 Justin gets the date card, cannot take Lexi on this date. However, 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.240 when I'm watching in this moment, at this period of time, 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:01.240 I say, Justin, Lexi have a shot. Lexi is very 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.959 similar to Susie Evans to me in a lot of ways. 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.280 I agree, Do you agree? I do? 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:10.119 Okay. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.200 When I saw the two of them talking, I thought, yeah, 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:17.600 that she can give Susie vibes. Both of them have 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:22.760 a sense of composure, immaturity. Now, there was one thing 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.680 that made my alarm clock go off, my little alarm here, 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:31.280 and that was that Lexi wanted to for a moment 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:35.320 not explore things with Justin because the Susie breakup was 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.160 so recent and that he was with her for two years. 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:43.080 So that doesn't match up with our public timeline. Our 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:48.600 public timeline says that Susie and Justin were together solidly 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.840 for about seven months, seven eight months, because when you 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:56.200 and I hosted that thing at the Bachelor Mansion, we 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:04.239 that was October twenty three or December twenty twenty three, 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.520 and then they had later admitted that they were together, 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.239 and they had actually been together for a month at 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:13.959 that point. Then they broke up last summer, early summer, 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:18.399 I think, like June twenty twenty four, which means at 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.440 the time of filming, he was broken up with Susie 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:25.119 for a year. Now were they secretly dating and we 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:28.399 don't know? Or was that a little whatever they call 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.920 it a franken bite, because it did sound a little 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:35.240 bit like a franken bite when I heard the two twode. 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.440 Seems like an extended period past what you and I 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.960 would know. I mean behind the scenes, we got to 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:43.560 hang out them personally, I don't know them together for 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:44.520 two years. 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:48.960 Yeah, I think that perhaps they were friends with flirtation 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.679 for a long time and they're actually together for a 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.239 far shorter amount of time than two years. And I 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.960 just feel like, oh, come on, Like I understand girl 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.359 code not wanting to date somebody in bachelornation who's had 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:07.840 a long relationship if you respect the girl and whatnot, 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.199 but like to be in paradise and be like, oh, 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:12.960 I just don't know if he's ready for this just 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:14.800 makes it feel like, oh no, no, no, let's not bring 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:15.160 that up. 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.600 Yeah, it's it's hard to tell, but I do think 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:22.720 Justin wants to find love outset of anything else. I 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.880 don't know how Susie feels, but if they're broken up, 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:29.879 I think she's aware and Justin's aware that he is 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.679 ready to have a serious relationship. And so for me, 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.879 we have to have this conversation all the time on 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.879 this podcast, especially when we talk about a bachelor, is 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:42.360 how soon is too soon to move on? And our 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.800 consensus has always been as soon as you find the 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:50.040 next right person perfect. It could be two days, three days, 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:53.000 it could be three years. But for him to put 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.520 himself back out there and go on paradise again, I 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:58.240 have no problem with. Even if he still does have 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:03.719 sadness over the loss of Susie, that's okay because I 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:06.920 bet that next person will help him forget about it 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:10.280 or make him forget about it so quickly. 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.679 And you know what, I bet what I bet that 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:16.240 Susie comes in next week and we can all see 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:16.959 where they stand. 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:19.320 I hope they're fine. I hope they're fine for it 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:23.320 both their sakes. If not, this really awkward. We do 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:25.400 get a little breakdown at this point in the episode 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:28.760 of relationships that already exist, which makes me giggle and laugh. 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:32.879 So we too much time on them, But it seems 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:36.280 like Akeem at this point has already started and we 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:38.919 love Akeem. We're really excited he was going to be 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:42.760 there this season. He's I think he's a big name 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:48.840 to be in Paradise, but a Keem and Bailey seem 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:54.600 to be chiming it up now you know, Daleen, Zoey, 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:59.720 Dale and Alex are also mentioned together. I see Dale 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.320 and Alex more than I see Dale and Zoe at 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:06.040 this point, and just because he is in this weird, 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:10.000 kind of very early on love triangle that shouldn't really 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:14.320 even be a thing. He does get the second date card. 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:19.919 He pulls Kat, Zoe, and Alex all chooses Kat to 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:25.160 go on this date. It's a big moment because Dale 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:28.280 has obviously been one that has been fought over. During 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.960 this episode, he shows his interest in Kat. This couple 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:36.160 does make sense to me, Ashley. I don't think they're 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:39.639 long term, and he is the opposite of whatever the 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:41.640 guy's name was, who was awesome and I love him 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:46.800 and he's super nice. Last Henry, Yeah, John Henry. But 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:48.400 she seems intrigued. 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:51.399 Well, I wanted Kat to get this date just because 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.639 she was so hilarious when he walked in. She was 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:58.040 just just falling all over him, and I'm like, I 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:01.480 need him to ask her, just for the entertainment sake 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:04.439 of it. He did seem to have a little I 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:07.359 felt the heat between him and Zoe and Alex was 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:10.399 funny because Alex was like, I never get nervous around guys, 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:12.199 but I'm getting so nervous around him. I am the 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:14.919 most awkward thing ever. Jumble into my words and I 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:17.600 was like, you know what, I respect that moment, Alex, 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:20.560