1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 2: Hey, y'all, welcome to the almost Famous podcast. We're back 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 2: of Paradise is back. It feels like it's been a 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: long time since I've seen Ben. I told him to 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: save all his thoughts on this new season of Paradise, 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: which to remind everyone if it didn't, if it wasn't 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: latantly obvious to you when you're watching this episode, this 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: is a whole new production team. 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 3: Well, I think it brings in a few things. One, 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 3: I didn't feel like your intros was representing the excited 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 3: energy that you and I have towards the start of 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 3: a new season of something. But I think the main 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 3: point that you just made is super important. It showed 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 3: you know, we've talked for months now about Hey, the 16 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 3: production team has gotten fired and nobody that we know 17 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: still works there. And I think people maybe from the 18 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 3: outside heard that as a playing as a concern or whatever. 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 3: But I think watching this episode represents how much a 20 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 3: production team actually has when it comes to how the 21 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 3: show is seen. Like they have a lot of influence. 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: It is incredibly important, and different productions teams will have 23 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: different aspects and this New One took a totally different 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 3: route when it comes to Bachelor in Paradise. 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: It was so stylized and modernized. And I am not 26 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 2: somebody who watches Love Island. I know it is the 27 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: biggest show out there right now, so I can't even compare. 28 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: Although now I feel like, for research sake, I feel 29 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: like I have to watch Love Island because it's their 30 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: main competition. It's come and it's swooped up what they 31 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: had maybe like originated in some sense, and I just 32 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: felt like when I watched the first fifteen minutes especially, 33 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, they're trying to be 34 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: Love Island. Now, I say this not know and Love 35 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: Island very well right, but it's just stylized edited so 36 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: much differently. One of the big things that stood out 37 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: to me was that we're talking to the barrel the 38 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: lens of the camera. We are not talking to a producer, 39 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: our eyes are. They're talking directly to the audience. 40 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: And we can't be hypocritical. We wanted the aspect of 41 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 3: less production. However, watching this episode, I think we need 42 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 3: to start this episode with some of our complaints and 43 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 3: then end with some of the things that we were 44 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 3: really in favor of and we really enjoyed because there 45 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 3: were those elements as well. For sure, I think personally, 46 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: Bachelor in Paradise's secret sauce was that old style kind 47 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: of TV. You watched it and it made you feel 48 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 3: like it hasn't changed in ten years. It was the 49 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 3: Bachelor type TV. It was less produced in a lot 50 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 3: of ways because it was hidden cameras. It wasn't the 51 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 3: highest quality camera. There wasn't like the clip art snapshots 52 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 3: coming in. This did take the Love Island vibe, which 53 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: I think is an attempt to modernize Bachelor in Paradise. However, 54 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: I don't know if Bachelor in Paradise is at a 55 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: place to compete with Love Island. I think Bachelor in 56 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 3: Paradise had its own special sauce that Love Island could 57 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: never have, and that's why Love Island didn't go with 58 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 3: the Bachelor in Paradise vibe. They went with their own vibe, 59 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 3: and I think the two can coexist. However, now Bachelor 60 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 3: of Paradise is throwing themselves in that Love Island bucket, 61 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 3: and you and I both said we want this less produced. 62 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: I don't know if this was less produced. I actually 63 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: think it was more produced, even with the in camera 64 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: talking than previous seasons. 65 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: They wanted to come across is like slick and to me, 66 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: so Love Island is trashy, right, Like, It's like it's 67 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: got a lot more edge, it has a lot more 68 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: raunch to it, and I think with Paradise, it was 69 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 2: still that Bachelor foundational show where it was like love 70 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: and it wasn't supposed to be shocking. It was supposed 71 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: to be a little grittier than Paradise, right, but there 72 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: was supposed to be like a much shock value to it. 73 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: And while there weren't a ton of raunchy comments, they 74 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: definitely wanted to come across as like it felt like 75 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: more of like an MTV dating show where it's like 76 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 2: I'm so and so, and like I'm a bit dip 77 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: dipper with my face, like flashing different angles in my face, 78 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: like in front of the description of myself. It just 79 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 2: it didn't feel as comfy and warm as Paradise usually feels. 80 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 2: And yeah, holy moly, with the HD camera, right, it 81 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: looks gorgeous. 82 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: It looks gorgeous. 83 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just it's just not homey feeling. And a 84 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: lot of that has to do with location change too. 85 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 2: The resort vibe is going to give more of that sleek, 86 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: modern feel than glamping. 87 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: Okay, so the first comment is out of the way. 88 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 3: When it comes to not a criticism, I think, you know, 89 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 3: old school transition. I think what the transition. My concern is, 90 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 3: can Love Island and Bachelor in Paradise coexist with the 91 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: same kind of vibe. I feel like Bachelor Paradise should 92 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 3: have never taken on Love Island, and Love Island should 93 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 3: have never taken on Bachelor in Paradise. They would have 94 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 3: better co existed with the original format. That's my take. 95 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 3: I might be wrong. The second thing actually that I 96 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 3: want to talk to you about that could turn into 97 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 3: a criticism could not. But you've been there, you found love. 98 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 3: There is the resort and the venue change. To me, 99 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 3: it was harder to follow where people were at on 100 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 3: the premises and where people were intermingling and not intermingling 101 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 3: because of this new you know venue. However, I understand 102 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 3: that I need to get used to the new venue. 103 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: I will learn it over time, and so this could 104 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: just be me not understanding it yet. However, this episode 105 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 3: was harder for me to follow, not harder for me 106 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 3: to watch harder for me to follow because of the 107 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 3: new venue. 108 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: It was harder, how so was it harder for you 109 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 2: to follow or where you just felt like, to me, 110 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: the venue feels like a date venue. And yes, this 111 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: is all because we're comparing it to nine previous years. 112 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: But like when Justin was like, Wow, I'm really glad 113 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: that we're on a date now. You know it took 114 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,239 Speaker 2: a while, but I'm glad that we can have this time. 115 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: And then even there was another conversation where Alex was 116 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 2: saying to Jonathan, so, how would being on a date 117 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: with me be different than what we're doing right now? 118 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 2: And that's kind of what it felt like during Bachelor 119 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: in Paradise. Previously, getting out of play Escandida was like 120 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: a treat, and now right now they just feel like 121 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: they're already on kind of like a day, like there's 122 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: no there's there's not much to be had. Different. 123 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was just hard because of it 124 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: felt like a cocktail party where there was different like 125 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 3: seat segments and so unlike before where you'd have to 126 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: have a couple sitting on a sunbed next to another 127 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: couple on a sunbed, now it felt like everybody could 128 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 3: spread out, yeah, in a very comfortable setting. I haven't 129 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 3: seen the places where people can lounge I loved. I 130 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 3: don't know why. I just noticed this during like this 131 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: episode during Bachelor and Paradise previously, I've loved those sunbeds 132 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: where people can like almost lay out and nap. It 133 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: felt like this was very RESORTI where it's like we're 134 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: gonna sit in two separate chairs side by side, or 135 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: on a couch sitting straight up. 136 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: Because they could nap in their own rooms. It was 137 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: even jarring to hear when there was a thunderstorm that 138 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: people had to go to their separate rooms because I'm 139 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: assuming that there's no cameras in the bedroom, so if 140 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: they can't be outside in the common area, then they 141 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: just have to go be alone. 142 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: What would happen in bachelom Paradise previously when there was 143 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: a thunderstorm. 144 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: We would go to the treehouse, which was the lounge 145 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: room in the bedroom area. There was like a common 146 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: area over on that side, and I always thought it 147 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: was weird that they usually didn't use the cameras during 148 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 2: that time. It was like low key shelter together time. 149 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 2: But I don't know. There must be some reason for 150 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: them not to have the camera equipment out. 151 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: The final thing that got brought up via our social 152 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: media when it comes to criticisms of this episode before 153 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: we get into the breakdown of the episode, which we'll 154 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 3: run through for everybody. This won't be a four hour 155 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 3: podcast like this episode was. Was the Dale Moss love. 156 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: There's a lot of Dale Moss love, especially on his entrance. 157 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: Ashley thoughts on the Dale Moss love warranted, unwarranted? How 158 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 3: will Bachelor Nation in a sense the majority respond? 159 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: So I put myself into the girl's shoes because as 160 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 2: an outsider and as a fan, I was like, maybe 161 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: I'm speaking without really knowing Dale, but I've been very 162 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: team Claire and all of that, and I always thought 163 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: that Dale gave off this ultra polished here for the 164 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 2: fame type vibe, and it was strange to see him 165 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: regarded as some sort of fan favorite, which I don't 166 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 2: think he's ever been. And then I put myself in 167 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: the girl's shoes and I did feel what Kat felt, 168 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: which it was like, Holy, an adult male just showed up, 169 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: because a lot of the guys do give off boyish entergy, 170 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 2: but his reputation, if I were there, would have been 171 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: more so what I was thinking about. But I totally 172 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: understand how dashing he is. 173 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 3: He's a very handsome man. Yeah, perfect smile. But it 174 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: felt like the show really played it up more than 175 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 3: they did with even like Justin, who could have easily 176 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: had that same kind of edit. It felt like the 177 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: show was really playing up that Dale was there. 178 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: Well, that's because he was their all star. He was 179 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: their A lister. He's the one that people will remember 180 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: even if they haven't watched the show in a few years. 181 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: He more than Justin I think. So. Yeah, I think 182 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: Justin is really fun TV, but I don't think that 183 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 2: he's I'm sorry, Justin, I love you, But like I 184 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 2: think he's more of like a B lister when it 185 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: comes to Bachelor Nation, and I think Dale Teeter's on 186 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: the A list. 187 00:10:54,440 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 3: Well, that's the breakdown of anything sort of a criticism, Ashley. 188 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 3: Let's run through this episode. I am going to kind 189 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 3: of lead it because I want to hear your thoughts 190 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: and opinions because you have been there. I haven't, and 191 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 3: so my opinions come from strictly a viewer's standpoint. We've 192 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 3: got to change. At the opening of the show, we've 193 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 3: kind of mentioned it. I actually personally really enjoyed how 194 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: this show opened and how the cast was announced. I 195 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: don't think it gave a great background for us in 196 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: terms of knowing this cast, because I don't think we 197 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: know a lot of these people from this cast well. 198 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: But I did like the visual effects, the kind of 199 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: new arrivals. But I do fully miss the host of 200 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 3: the show. That was like their only job when it 201 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 3: comes to paradise. Why is there a host outside of 202 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 3: Wells if they're not going to introduce people to the beach. 203 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, we missed the whole long walk down to the sand. 204 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: That arrival moment was missed. 205 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 3: Do you miss it? Yeah, when you say you miss it, 206 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 3: you actually miss it? Or is it good to have gone? 207 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just like it's classic. I miss it, 208 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: but it's not like but it wasn't one of the 209 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: things that I thought of. I thought, Oh, this is 210 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 2: a weird, cheesy opening that seems try hard and doesn't 211 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: seem like us. I actually didn't think, oh, wow, I 212 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: missed the walk down the paradise until you just said it. 213 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a different vibe. I didn't hate it. I 214 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 3: didn't hate it. I do miss the host of the show, 215 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: welcoming people to the beach, catching up with him for 216 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 3: a second, Where have you been? What's love been like? 217 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 3: All right, get down there and that awkward walk down 218 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: the steps that isn't sexy, that isn't easy, Yes, but 219 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 3: I do. I've always appreciated it. You don't have it now. 220 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,599 Speaker 3: That has changed. Like a lot of things on this 221 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: show has changed, the thing hasn't changed is the contestants 222 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 3: have came from previous seasons of The Bachelor and Bachelorette. 223 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 3: We won't run through all the names that were announced 224 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 3: on the Beach just because you've probably watched the show 225 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 3: already you don't need it. But in short, some of 226 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 3: the standouts were Alex from Grant season, Lexi from Joey's season. 227 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 3: We have Bailey from Grant season, Hakeem from Gen season 228 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: that was a big one. As we mentioned, we have 229 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: Dale Moss from Clear season coming on, Zoe from Grant season, 230 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 3: and then some of the other big standouts were Justin 231 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: who was from Katie Thurston season but recently dated, Susie Evans. 232 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 3: Those are the big standouts, Those are the ones that 233 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 3: make up most of the storylines during this episode, including 234 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 3: which Kat and Jonathan also should be included in that 235 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 3: list because they were seen a lot. 236 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: Kat was the superstar of this episode. Whenever Kat was 237 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 2: on the screen, I was smiling, I was laughing such 238 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: she was born to be a reality TV star, and 239 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: I felt like. 240 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 3: And I think you and I said this, I think 241 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 3: she had a bad rap coming out of Paradise last season. 242 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 3: I think she got mixed up a little bit. She 243 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 3: started out strong and ended kind of in this like 244 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: love triangle where she got very upset often, and it 245 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 3: made her seem like she was getting upset for the 246 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: most ridiculous reasons. I'm happy to see her back on 247 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 3: the beach because I do think this could be a 248 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 3: redemption story for her and one that we get to 249 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 3: understand her a little bit better. Obviously, she ended up 250 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: with somebody from the last season of Paradise, but it 251 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: just never was pretty last season for her. 252 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: She had like that meltdown, that shout fest, and a 253 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: lot of people got her on her for that. I 254 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: think that a lot of people didn't see the humor 255 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: that she has. I think a lot of it, she 256 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: says is tongue in cheek. She was hilarious in this episode, 257 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 2: and when she wasn't on the screen, I would sometimes 258 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: get bored. 259 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 3: I'm with you, she will be one of those people 260 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 3: when she pops on, my attention will be right. 261 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 262 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 3: Actually, before we get in the date card number one, 263 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 3: which happened during this episode, anything stand out to you 264 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 3: from kind of the intros and initial conversations. 265 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: I guess the initial conversation that jumps out is the 266 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: automatic connection between Jess and Spencer. I just throughout the 267 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: episode and yeah, three hours, three hours was too long. 268 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: You and I with our screener, you know, we see it. 269 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: We don't see a condensed version. We see it without 270 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: the commercials. So when I saw that it was almost 271 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: it was two hours and ten minutes of actual airtime, 272 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is reserved for finales. This 273 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: is usually paired, is chopped up into two days, right, 274 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: so you have your your two hour night than your 275 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: hour night. And this felt far too long. I was 276 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 2: in and out of it. It was like kind of 277 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: a rollercoaster where I was like, Oh, I love Paradise, 278 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: It's so much fun, and then I was like, oh, 279 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: I'm I'm done. Oh I'm back in and again. But 280 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: it did have its good moments, and I know that 281 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 2: at the beginning of the episode it was like we 282 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: were like, oh girl, But actually there was a lot 283 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: of foundational bachelor moments I would not call Justin Spencer's 284 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: Justin Spencer were they were the couple that you think 285 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: is gonna make it, and they're just they're not going 286 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 2: to That's what I guess. Oh, I don't. I don't. 287 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: I find that I think he's She's gonna get annoyed 288 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: with him, and I think that I think he can be. 289 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 2: I think he might be annoying. 290 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 3: And you think, I mean, out of anybody, I feel 291 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 3: like Jess would appreciate the annoyance more than anybody right now. 292 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: Why he's kind of quirky herself. 293 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: Totally, and I think he takes it too. I think 294 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: she's quirky and cue and I think that he like 295 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: might have like a little bit. 296 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: Of a side like a whoa, this is too much? Yeah, 297 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 3: who's the other guy that I didn't even recognize dark 298 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 3: hair Military School that also had that vibe to me? 299 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 2: Oh, you think that he had had a vibe to 300 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: that was Kyle also from Katie's season. I was he 301 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: got eliminated at the end of this episode, and I 302 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: was rooting for him over Jeremy in that loved triangle. 303 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 3: Okay, well, I mean I think Kyle had that similar 304 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: feel to me. Let's start now with this day card, 305 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 3: because that's really where the episode, to me begins. We 306 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 3: have a huge storm come in, so Justin cannot take Lexi. 307 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 3: Justin gets the date card, cannot take Lexi on this date. However, 308 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 3: when I'm watching in this moment, at this period of time, 309 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 3: I say, Justin, Lexi have a shot. Lexi is very 310 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,959 Speaker 3: similar to Susie Evans to me in a lot of ways. 311 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: I agree, Do you agree? I do? 312 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 3: Okay. 313 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 2: When I saw the two of them talking, I thought, yeah, 314 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: that she can give Susie vibes. Both of them have 315 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: a sense of composure, immaturity. Now, there was one thing 316 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 2: that made my alarm clock go off, my little alarm here, 317 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: and that was that Lexi wanted to for a moment 318 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: not explore things with Justin because the Susie breakup was 319 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 2: so recent and that he was with her for two years. 320 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: So that doesn't match up with our public timeline. Our 321 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: public timeline says that Susie and Justin were together solidly 322 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: for about seven months, seven eight months, because when you 323 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 2: and I hosted that thing at the Bachelor Mansion, we 324 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:04,239 Speaker 2: that was October twenty three or December twenty twenty three, 325 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: and then they had later admitted that they were together, 326 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,239 Speaker 2: and they had actually been together for a month at 327 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 2: that point. Then they broke up last summer, early summer, 328 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 2: I think, like June twenty twenty four, which means at 329 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 2: the time of filming, he was broken up with Susie 330 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 2: for a year. Now were they secretly dating and we 331 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 2: don't know? Or was that a little whatever they call 332 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 2: it a franken bite, because it did sound a little 333 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: bit like a franken bite when I heard the two twode. 334 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 3: Seems like an extended period past what you and I 335 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 3: would know. I mean behind the scenes, we got to 336 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 3: hang out them personally, I don't know them together for 337 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 3: two years. 338 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that perhaps they were friends with flirtation 339 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 2: for a long time and they're actually together for a 340 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,239 Speaker 2: far shorter amount of time than two years. And I 341 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 2: just feel like, oh, come on, Like I understand girl 342 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 2: code not wanting to date somebody in bachelornation who's had 343 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: a long relationship if you respect the girl and whatnot, 344 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 2: but like to be in paradise and be like, oh, 345 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: I just don't know if he's ready for this just 346 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: makes it feel like, oh no, no, no, let's not bring 347 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 2: that up. 348 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's hard to tell, but I do think 349 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 3: Justin wants to find love outset of anything else. I 350 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 3: don't know how Susie feels, but if they're broken up, 351 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 3: I think she's aware and Justin's aware that he is 352 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 3: ready to have a serious relationship. And so for me, 353 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 3: we have to have this conversation all the time on 354 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 3: this podcast, especially when we talk about a bachelor, is 355 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 3: how soon is too soon to move on? And our 356 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 3: consensus has always been as soon as you find the 357 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 3: next right person perfect. It could be two days, three days, 358 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 3: it could be three years. But for him to put 359 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 3: himself back out there and go on paradise again, I 360 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 3: have no problem with. Even if he still does have 361 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 3: sadness over the loss of Susie, that's okay because I 362 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 3: bet that next person will help him forget about it 363 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 3: or make him forget about it so quickly. 364 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 2: And you know what, I bet what I bet that 365 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 2: Susie comes in next week and we can all see 366 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 2: where they stand. 367 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 3: I hope they're fine. I hope they're fine for it 368 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 3: both their sakes. If not, this really awkward. We do 369 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 3: get a little breakdown at this point in the episode 370 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: of relationships that already exist, which makes me giggle and laugh. 371 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 3: So we too much time on them, But it seems 372 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: like Akeem at this point has already started and we 373 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 3: love Akeem. We're really excited he was going to be 374 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: there this season. He's I think he's a big name 375 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 3: to be in Paradise, but a Keem and Bailey seem 376 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 3: to be chiming it up now you know, Daleen, Zoey, 377 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 3: Dale and Alex are also mentioned together. I see Dale 378 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 3: and Alex more than I see Dale and Zoe at 379 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 3: this point, and just because he is in this weird, 380 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 3: kind of very early on love triangle that shouldn't really 381 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 3: even be a thing. He does get the second date card. 382 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 3: He pulls Kat, Zoe, and Alex all chooses Kat to 383 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 3: go on this date. It's a big moment because Dale 384 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 3: has obviously been one that has been fought over. During 385 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 3: this episode, he shows his interest in Kat. This couple 386 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 3: does make sense to me, Ashley. I don't think they're 387 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 3: long term, and he is the opposite of whatever the 388 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 3: guy's name was, who was awesome and I love him 389 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: and he's super nice. Last Henry, Yeah, John Henry. But 390 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 3: she seems intrigued. 391 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 2: Well, I wanted Kat to get this date just because 392 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 2: she was so hilarious when he walked in. She was 393 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: just just falling all over him, and I'm like, I 394 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 2: need him to ask her, just for the entertainment sake 395 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 2: of it. He did seem to have a little I 396 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 2: felt the heat between him and Zoe and Alex was 397 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 2: funny because Alex was like, I never get nervous around guys, 398 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 2: but I'm getting so nervous around him. I am the 399 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 2: most awkward thing ever. Jumble into my words and I 400 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: was like, you know what, I respect that moment, Alex, 401 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: because every girl has that moment, and I'm glad that 402 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: you just admitted to it. But at the end of 403 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 2: the day, glad that Cat won the boat with him. 404 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: They I think that Cat actually truly did not feel 405 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 2: good when the boat started rocking, like she was like, no, no, no, 406 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: I'm nauseous, because I felt like she actually wasn't even 407 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 2: though she said, you know, ten out of ten kiss her. 408 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 2: I think that she was actually like not into that 409 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 2: moment because she was gonna barf in his mouth. 410 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 3: That's awful. 411 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 2: Can you imagine. Yeah, he like went in for it 412 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: when she was like, I'm feeling nauseous, and then he 413 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 2: was like, oh, I'm going to kiss you now, and 414 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: I think she was like, that's very delightful, but not 415 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 2: the time. 416 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 3: I don't know. 417 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm overanalyzing it, but that's how I felt, well, 418 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: and I think that they will be good for now. 419 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 2: I think that Dale definitely can date around. I wonder Dale, 420 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 2: for his sake of his reputation, is going to be 421 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 2: the kind of guy that even talks to anyone else, 422 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 2: because I think he's just going to want to look 423 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 2: really good and loyal in this. 424 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 3: Dal does give off like some vibes to me where 425 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 3: he wants to say. 426 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: The right thing exactly, yeah. 427 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 3: Which I'm always very cautious of when it comes to 428 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 3: this show. You know, you say all the right things 429 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 3: and it's hard to fact check on reality television. But 430 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 3: I am always a little more drawn into the characters 431 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 3: or the contestants who can make fun of themselves a 432 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 3: little bit, who can laugh at themselves, laugh at the situation. 433 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 3: Wells does a great job at it as the bartender. 434 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 3: It just it does feel like, Hey, I want to 435 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 3: say all the right things and make everybody think I'm 436 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 3: the perfect man, and your actions don't always match up 437 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 3: to that, and so who are we or what are 438 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 3: we to believe? 439 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: A side note, this is the beginning of some of 440 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 2: these montages that they put together versus him putting on sunscreens. Secondly, 441 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: is somebody imagining what's going on on another date, and 442 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: they like kind of purposely put together these silly like 443 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: daydream stories, which I don't know I was actually I 444 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: wasn't against that. I thought it was kind of funny. 445 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 3: I'm not against it at all. Yeah, but to me 446 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 3: a little bit actually, like they need to choose who 447 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 3: they want to be. Do they want to be a 448 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 3: serious dating show with this new modern look, or do 449 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 3: they just want this to be the corny, goofy paradise 450 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 3: that's always been. I don't know if you can have both. 451 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,479 Speaker 2: This is like their version of talking to the parrot 452 00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: talking to the raccoon. 453 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I felt like the old paradise was all 454 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 3: kind of tongue in cheek, corny goofy until the fast 455 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 3: last week when Romance was represented through engagement. 456 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 457 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 3: I mean from the intros to the sweaty moments, to 458 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 3: the people snoring on the sun beds to people making 459 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 3: on the pool. A lot of it was tongue in 460 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 3: cheek until that last few weeks that got serious. It 461 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 3: feels like, right now the vibe is can we do 462 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 3: both in this in the course of an episode? And 463 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: it's hard for me because I either want to invest 464 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 3: or I just simply want to enjoy. And if you're 465 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 3: going to ask me to enjoy, you got to make 466 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 3: like as Well said, these idiots make out in a 467 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 3: pool for like the next ten weeks and make fools 468 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 3: of themselves. You cannot do both to me. 469 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 2: I think you can do both to me, because that 470 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: was silly. But I thought there was some really neat 471 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: conversations too. The conversation I'll go through them if you should. 472 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: I is that how we should handle this and me 473 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 2: go through them, go through them? Yeah, okay. There was 474 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 2: the conversation about timeline between Justin and Alexi, especially because 475 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: she has talked about her possible fertility issues down the 476 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 2: road that I thought that that was really natural and 477 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 2: made me feel something. I also felt the conversation between 478 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: Jess and Sam talk about their fears on that date. 479 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 2: That felt old fashioned bachelor. I liked that. And then yeah, 480 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 2: so Alex had a good conversation with Jonathan. I felt 481 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: that was pretty real too. 482 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 3: I don't discredit the realness. I just think as a fan, 483 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 3: you got to give me one of the other, and 484 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 3: sometimes in these great moments you can't mix into silly. 485 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 3: I either got to feel it. I don't. I don't 486 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 3: have the emotional capacity to go back and forth too often, 487 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 3: and I thought this episode, maybe because it was three 488 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 3: hours long, made me go back and forth emotionally too much. Ashley, 489 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 3: As we close here talking about Paradise, I do want 490 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 3: to kind of talk about some of the life love 491 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 3: triangles that always exist early on in a season of Paradise, Ashlely, 492 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 3: some of the lot love triangles that stood out to 493 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 3: me personally were the ones with Sam, or with Bailey, 494 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 3: Jeremy and Kyle. Alex's love triangle. I think Alex is 495 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 3: gonna have a really hard time on Paradise because I 496 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 3: think she's very open, very fun, very flirtatious, and very 497 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 3: willing to just have a good time, which is gonna 498 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 3: invite a lot of people in to be interested in her, 499 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 3: which is going to find her to be interested in 500 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 3: a lot of people. It's how paradise works. It's the 501 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 3: beauty of it. Date around and see what works. Also, 502 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 3: obviously we see Dale. I think we have to consider 503 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 3: him not in a triangle as much, but in a 504 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 3: place of being of interest to a lot of people. 505 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 3: I think any of those girls would have willingly and 506 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 3: excitedly said yes to his date. Cap was the one 507 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 3: that got asked Ashley, do any of these love triangles 508 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 3: still exist in the next couple of weeks? Do they 509 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 3: die off? Do any of them actually become a thing? 510 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 2: Okay, here's a triangle. Here's not a triangle, but a 511 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: couple that I see. Probably I don't know what the 512 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 2: heck's gonna happen with them, Bailey and Jeremy. Can I 513 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 2: just say that I'm not into Bailey and Jeremy because 514 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 2: that makeout scene was like gross, that was like way 515 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 2: too much for us to see. I didn't need to see, 516 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: like the the tongue in action so much. That was 517 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 2: like a bedroom makeout, not the first time makeout. And 518 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 2: there's something about Jeremy that I'm sorry, something about that 519 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 2: guy don' I'm really sure. And also, Wells was epic 520 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 2: when he described it. He was like just me, or 521 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,959 Speaker 2: was like, Bailey out of Jeremy's league. I was like, 522 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 2: thank you for saying it out loud. 523 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 3: Well is good at that. You got to give him 524 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 3: credit for saying that as a host of this show. 525 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 2: I know. 526 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 3: It's pretty wild that he can or it does. But yeah, 527 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 3: I'm with you, and Bailey is out of Jeremy's league, 528 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 3: and that's okay. Maybe that's how I mean. We know 529 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 3: a lot of people who's significant others, and typically it's 530 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 3: the male who bats way out of his league and 531 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 3: we don't understand why, and we're like, good for you, buddy, 532 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 3: Like I don't know how you did it, but you 533 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,719 Speaker 3: pulled it off, and that maybe is how this works. 534 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian and Zoe there are who the heck knows 535 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: what's gonna happen to them because they don't feel firm 536 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: right now. And Zoe is definitely somebody who's hot, and 537 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 2: I can see being a hot commodity amongst the men 538 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 2: when they come in next week. 539 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, the men are going to come in next week. 540 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,959 Speaker 3: We don't necessarily know who we're gonna get but to 541 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 3: close this whole thing up, are our thoughts on my 542 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 3: thoughts on Paradise or this I still don't know these 543 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 3: contestants at all. I've watched every season for ten years, 544 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 3: haven't missed an episode. We've broke them down here on 545 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 3: the Almost Famous podcast. I feel very disconnected from this 546 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 3: group so far. It doesn't say anything about the individuals 547 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 3: as much of past seasons. Up until this season, there's 548 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 3: been familiar faces to me, and there's a few here, 549 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 3: but not many that I really know rooting for, understand 550 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 3: or remember their storyline up. I don't know what that 551 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 3: says about me. Maybe it's that I'm not as big 552 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 3: of a fan of the show as I think I am. 553 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 3: But I want to see more character development, or I 554 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 3: want to see more stories get displayed, or I want 555 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 3: to see some familiar faces of the past even come 556 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 3: back on the beach. And I think we might get 557 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 3: that with the Goldens. The Golden still are an element 558 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 3: of the show that have been promised to us that 559 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 3: we didn't see, that we should see at some point 560 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 3: here coming out. I think that will help. Paradise is 561 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 3: weird for me to watch, honestly, this first episode because 562 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 3: it's all unfamiliar to me. We have a new venue 563 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 3: with a new look, like with new production company, filming 564 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 3: this in a whole new way. I am trying to 565 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 3: catch up. I am trying to adjust and evolve and 566 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 3: grow my understanding of what this show is going to 567 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 3: look like. It hasn't happened yet, but I'm not giving up, 568 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 3: and I hope it does. I think we need to 569 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 3: end this podcast. We're talking about two things. One is 570 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 3: who got to eliminade this week. Obviously we know Hakim, 571 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 3: one of our favorites, was eliminated. 572 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 2: Hakim was hilarious. The The part about him is he's 573 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 2: got no romantic energy, and I can relate. I didn't 574 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 2: really exude romantic sexy energy either, and so I knew 575 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 2: that he wasn't really going to make a connection this 576 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,479 Speaker 2: early on. But his lines are so funny, his facial 577 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 2: expressions are so funny. I'm gonna miss him. I was 578 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 2: really hoping they somehow figure out a way to keep him. 579 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 3: But I don't think he's like a lost cause. If 580 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 3: he listens to this. It's not that Hikimi, you don't 581 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 3: exude any type of like sex appeal, well, partner energy. 582 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 2: Totally partner energy, yes, sex appeal no. 583 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 3: Sure, and that's okay. I don't think either of us do. 584 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 3: I don't think either of us are. 585 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 2: Like, think you good man, You're far more slow than I. 586 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 3: Look at me like you'll want to sit with me 587 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 3: and talk to me, Like I don't think you and 588 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 3: I either like do that. But I think the right 589 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 3: person comes into her life and they go, that's the 590 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 3: person I'm looking for. And I think k Keem is 591 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 3: the type of person where the right person would be like, 592 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 3: that's the guy. If I'm really into this thing to 593 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 3: find love, I could envision myself falling in love with 594 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 3: that guy. I think he does exude that, but he's gone. Also, 595 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 3: we see Ricky leave, we see Sam leave, and then 596 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 3: who's the fourth. 597 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 2: The guy that nobody remembered Kyle, So nobody really remembered 598 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 2: Ricky or Kyle from the past. So to be honest, 599 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 2: I don't really feel like we've lost anyone there. I 600 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 2: did want to see more of Sam because he went 601 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 2: up against the one that we shall not name on 602 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 2: GEN season. I literally forget his name, Bet and I 603 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 2: always joke about how we forget her winner's name, and 604 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 2: it's for good reason, right, So the one who we 605 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 2: shall not name, he went up against him, and we 606 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 2: at times thought that Sam was the villain, but like 607 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 2: knowing who one who shall not be named, it truly 608 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 2: is now like he may not have been the villain. 609 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,919 Speaker 2: Sam may have not had any villain energy at all. 610 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 2: So I really wanted to see more of him. I 611 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 2: think that he has an appealing suave to him, and 612 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 2: I think he could have done better. It's unfortunate that 613 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 2: he picked somebody to go on a date with that 614 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 2: was kind of wiped up. 615 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it also seems he's gonna bat for home 616 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 3: runs and he tried to hit one. It didn't work 617 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 3: out for him there. Actually, as we look forward to 618 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 3: the rest of the season, what are you excited to 619 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 3: be watched? 620 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 2: We want to see Susie come in. I'm really interested 621 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 2: to know where their relationship stands. We haven't really had 622 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 2: that many bachelor couples who've had like a previous relationship 623 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 2: and then go into paradise. It can be absolutely heart wrenching. 624 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 2: And I've said that I relate to Justin and Susie's 625 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 2: story in many ways. With Jared and I just feel 626 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 2: like going to Paradise seems like the move, but it's 627 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 2: gonna be heart wrenching either way for them. I believe 628 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 2: we saw this again with Joe and Kendall. That was hard. 629 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 2: It's a hard time, but it's good. It's also great TV. 630 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 2: I want to see Kat. I just want to see 631 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 2: more Kat too, Just Kat entertain me. 632 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,919 Speaker 3: Are you excited to see Dale Moss take a shot 633 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 3: off of April? 634 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: No? 635 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:51,959 Speaker 2: I don't really care. 636 00:36:53,920 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 3: Thenkay, what do you think outside of Dale Moss taking 637 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,959 Speaker 3: a shot off v April which feels like a lot 638 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 3: for somebody to watch. In closing your last thoughts, what 639 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 3: do you think about the challenges that seem to be 640 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 3: promised to us throughout this season? Are you excited to 641 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 3: watch those? Does that seem like the opposite of what 642 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 3: you want? And this obviously all leads up to the 643 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 3: financial benefits that are being promised from the season of Paradise. 644 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we forgot about talking about that upfront because 645 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 2: Jesse did tease that there would be some sort of 646 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 2: major prize that doesn't have to do with romance. They're 647 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: trying to combine Bachelor Pad with Bachelor and Paradise. They 648 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 2: call this life changing money. I don't like money involved 649 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,959 Speaker 2: in what in places that it's supposed to be love. 650 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 3: I think Bachelor Nation is going to absolutely reject this idea. 651 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 3: I think they're going to be so angry at this 652 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 3: idea that they stop watching. They're like, this ruins everything 653 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 3: that I've ever hoped this show would be. 654 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 2: And apparently this is what Love Island does, So why 655 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,359 Speaker 2: does Bachelor just want to copycat them completely? That's kind 656 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 2: of embarrassing. 657 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 3: I agree. I think you and I could have got 658 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 3: through this whole episode and been like, hey, it's different, 659 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 3: not something we reject, it's different. I think the money 660 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 3: aspect of this now changes everything, even the challenges I 661 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,959 Speaker 3: would could get behind. I think when you add money 662 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 3: into it, I think Bacher Nation is going to freak 663 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,959 Speaker 3: out and say, yeah, not for me anymore. We watch 664 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 3: this show because even with all that's happened, we still 665 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 3: thought this show was the one show that could find 666 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 3: true love for no other reason other than true love. 667 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 3: You add money into it changes everything, especially when the 668 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 3: money that they're promising is life changing. 669 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 2: It's half a million dollars that is actually life changing money. Yeah, 670 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 2: and that is really very annoying because with that on 671 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 2: people's minds. That's going to be the number one motivator here, 672 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 2: not love. Yeah that This is a whole different show now. 673 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 3: And I think Bachrination as a fan base is going 674 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 3: to be very upset about this. I do. I think 675 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,720 Speaker 3: it changes everything, and I think it's going to change 676 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 3: now how the Big Show is viewed. Well, you know, 677 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 3: you go on the Big Show now to go to 678 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 3: Paradise to potentially be in the running for half a 679 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 3: million dollars. 680 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 2: Ben, this is actually insane because truly, if you felt 681 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 2: a connection with somebody and you think that, say you 682 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 2: feel that you love them at the end of this, 683 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,280 Speaker 2: don't you try to get off camera for a second 684 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 2: with them and be like, listen, this could be life 685 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 2: changing money for both of us. We will go get 686 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 2: the money. One of us will choose the money or 687 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 2: or whatever. 688 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 689 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 2: People are gonna be like I can just DM text 690 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 2: this person a few months later and be like, Hey, 691 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 2: of course I had to take the money, wouldn't you 692 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 2: understand that? 693 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? Or yeah, put it in escrow the two of 694 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 3: you and kind of figured out later on. I mean, 695 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,319 Speaker 3: there's a thousand things you would decide to do. 696 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 2: They've been cheap their whole life. This show has been 697 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,240 Speaker 2: cheaped their whole life. Now they make it a half 698 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 2: a million dollars. 699 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 3: You and you and Jared could be half a million 700 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 3: dollars richer right now, Ashley. 701 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, because we didn't leave together. 702 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, you just split it fifty fifty. Never talk to 703 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 3: each other again. 704 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 2: No, But like that's not what I'm referring to. You 705 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 2: know that. It's like, look, we we actually you know, 706 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 2: I love blah blah blah blah. I this is mind boggling. 707 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 2: This is super crazy. 708 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 3: It's really messing with Ashley right now for a lot 709 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 3: of reasons. 710 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 2: But I like the challenges. 711 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too. Bachelor and Parodie will never be 712 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 3: the same. It's not going to be the same. The 713 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 3: promise of a financial incentive changes everything when it comes 714 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 3: to this show. Are we in for a batch? Do nation? 715 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 3: That's the question we have this week for you. Are 716 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 3: you into it? Are you not? If you're into it, awesome. 717 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 3: If you're not into it, please let us know by 718 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 3: commenting on the social media because we want to know 719 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 3: how you feel. It's a way that we keep in 720 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 3: touch with the viewership and understand what the viewership is feeling. 721 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 3: As hosts of Almost in this podcast, I will say 722 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 3: I don't love the financial incentive. I don't see the point. 723 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 3: I think people would have signed up for it even 724 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 3: without it. I think people would have been more likely 725 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 3: to go and invest into relationships and love without it. 726 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 3: I think it is so much. This first episode was 727 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 3: trying to fall into the bucket of the modern reality 728 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 3: television show, and I think they're one too late. Two, 729 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 3: I don't think they can compete. And three, I don't 730 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 3: know why they would try to compete. They had their 731 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 3: own good thing going. But that's my feelings, my thoughts. 732 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 3: I don't promise to be right. I just promised to 733 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,840 Speaker 3: have an opinion. We'll be back next week and even 734 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,919 Speaker 3: more this week, breaking down more that's happening in Bachelor Nation. 735 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 3: But until next time, I've been Ben, I've. 736 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 2: Been Ashley, and I am stunned 737 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: By Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts 738 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,759 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.