WEBVTT - The Nikki Kuhnhausen case 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:05.760 When I right, y'all, I'm across the USC Compton Motts 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:10.720 Bank to l A from on the California the Valley. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.320 We represent that Kelly County. So if you're keeping it 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.160 reil on your side of your town, you tune into 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:22.880 Gangster Chronicles. Chronic Goals are gonna tell you how we go. 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:26.440 If I line my nose will girl like Pinocchio. We're 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:28.360 gonna tell you the truth and nothing but the truth 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:33.760 the Chronicals. This is not your average show. You're now 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.199 tuned into the rail m c A, Big James and 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:47.400 Bix Fell from the streets. Hello, Welcome to the Gangster 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:50.240 Chronicles podcast, the production of My Heart Radio and Black 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.760 Effect Podcast Network. 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Yeah, 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.399 it's either you know, Mr Contraining or the or the 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:33.360 evil Genius. Why listen, I Contrarian disagrees with people just 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.240 for the sake of it, and thens you. I don't. 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:39.920 I think you just be saying some dumb ships sometimes. No, well, 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.240 that means that cent in the world is saying dumb 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.720 because you disagree with every motherfucker body. They are all 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.440 this and some dumb ship. Y'all said what y'll be feeling. 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:55.280 Y'all don't care about fact. And my boy, Peter Boss, 0:01:55.920 --> 0:02:01.240 exchange your mand you change your man rong, still still 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:07.280 hitting me with these slurs. It's all good. It's all 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.359 good because because every girl out know, oh that's so 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:15.720 Key's so cute. He's nice and Gene Rose Mr Rodes, 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:21.880 Mr Rose go to himself anyway, so you know the deal. 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:25.160 Glasses called me yesterday or actually a few days ago 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.920 and said, man, you need to watch this flick on Hulu. 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.960 You know, I find my murder. So I started watching 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.000 a little bit of it. But really didn't get into it. 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:35.840 You know, it was a Sunday night or whatever, and 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:38.359 I think I was looking at something else, something else 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.960 to cut my attention on. But once I did get 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:46.480 into it, it it was very interesting young lady Nikki can 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:53.320 Harson from the Pacific Northwest transgender person she was missing. Man. 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.359 I thought it was an interesting story from the fact 0:02:55.400 --> 0:03:00.840 that all of details that emerged ring that case, like 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:05.440 she had got shot prior to that, and we had 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:10.120 a couple of different theories on this meat personally, if 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.640 you notice every time she got them too, um, every 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.359 time she got into something, she was always in somebody's car, 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.720 which is a sign of prostitution to me as always, 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:23.600 God damnit, d you just this is why I disagree 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.440 with you. Well, see we just have the conversation. Bro. 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.600 I wasn't there obviously, so I could be wrong, but 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:31.840 you know she give them dudes any time a woman 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.480 get to somebody cars process you, man, if you were 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:39.440 the back of the you know, somebody's back my car 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.000 or either or either those guys don't have very much 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:49.080 respect for them. What I think. I think the circumstances 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:54.520 were kind of pretty clearly indicated in that scenario, and 0:03:54.560 --> 0:04:01.119 I don't think it was prostitution and you so so 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.560 let me let me say because because it's important, you're 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:11.800 asking the crimes as you refer to them. Um. So, 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:15.480 it's a brand new television show on Hulu, How I 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:19.360 Caught My Killer, and all of the episodes are based 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:23.200 off of how the victim you know that was murdered 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.720 did something that the police needed to use or the 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.279 family needed to use to help them catch who killed 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.960 the actual person. So it's really a dope idea How 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.039 I Caught My Killer, because when you think about that, 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.800 it just sounds crazy. But when you watch the show 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:42.400 is great. And I called Still about the first episode. 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.039 I actually hit Pete too, and I was like, YO, 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.880 check this show out. And the reason I thought it 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:52.640 was super interesting still for you is because we had 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:58.279 did the pod on those settlings about transphobia, and I 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:02.039 was I don't the episode never came out. It's not 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:03.919 like I don't want to put it out. But I 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:05.839 think God doesn't want it to come out because I 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.360 think he like you having your podcast and it can 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:10.800 be like a problem. So I think God is stopping 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.360 it because I've had really great podcasts that I've had 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:17.320 to put out since and like I suspect me and 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.080 the one me and Pete gonna do next is gonna 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:23.960 be crazy. So and I'm seeing no, no, I'm serious 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.640 because it's like stuff keep happening. But long story short, 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.320 I thought that was a dope episode because we talked 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:35.239 about this and you just be having these crazy views 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:39.560 like she got two guys cars, so she's a prostitute 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:41.440 like that. What I'm saying that, you know, it could 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.120 be plausible. I'm not saying she was because again I 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.280 wasn't there. I don't know. Or it could have been 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.560 a thing where she got a bunch of roommates. She 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.320 was a young you know, she was a young girl, 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.560 you know, so she was just looking up with these guys, right, 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:57.160 And so when the revelation came out that she had 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.760 been shot previously, that lets me know right there, when 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:04.000 that that guy wasn't expecting what he received, it really 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.800 as a crime, right because this actually is actually called 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:13.080 the nikki is it the cool housing or housing? But 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:16.839 it ended up changing ended up changing the laws in 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.760 Washington to where nap like at one time they had 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:23.120 a like a rage, like like a rage that they 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:27.040 allowed to It didn't absolve your crime, but it reduced 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.560 murder down to like manslaughter. If you were in a 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:35.080 situation where you was it involved with a transgender and 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.520 you got it got revealed to you at like, you know, 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:40.880 you didn't know what was going on, and you realized 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:46.120 this person was a trance and it allowed space for 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.240 the conviction to not be as harsh because it is 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.960 a lot I couldn't imagine, you know, and this this 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.479 was a teenager. You're talking about a seventeen year old kid, 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.320 you know what I mean. That's literally defining their sex. 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:04.640 And throughout the whole show they talked about that his 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:08.200 name was Nicolas. He knew it as a child that 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.600 he kinda felt he was a female, and as soon 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:17.119 as the opportunity presented itself, Nicholas or and then became Nikki, 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:20.000 as soon as the opportunity presented itself. And I was 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:21.880 looking at a lot of the pictures and the shows, 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.559 and yes, I'm staring at it because I know because 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.960 the show is telling me the story. But me, you 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.040 and Pete disagree that there's a belief in some sense 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.920 of supreme masculinity that you could tell who's a training 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:39.680 and I'm like, that's not really hard work. The the 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:43.960 females right as they start to kind of skew how 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.720 they define beauty, you know, wearing all the makeup and 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.480 the weeds. It's allowing the space to where men are 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:54.800 getting more confused every day. Think about it, Between all 0:07:54.880 --> 0:08:01.240 of the fucking all of the fucking uh bbl, all 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.760 of the wese, all of the makeup, all this stuff, 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:09.800 this is the perfect time for a trans person to pass. 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.760 And it is interesting and and and that. Also they're 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:19.400 the most talented in their field as far as hair, 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.080 makeup and fashion design and stuff go. So do have 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:26.640 a lot of celebrity women who do have uh people 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.560 from the trans community that that manage their appearance in 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:33.720 that regard. So so it does bring more of a 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:41.040 symmetry I think. Um, I disagree to a certain extent. 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:45.960 I'm gonna tell you why. I've always been able to 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.560 tell who a woman needs versus someone you know, pretending 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.960 to be You know, I'm not saying no transactional transgender person. 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.040 There are certain tell teal signs, like that you have 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:59.960 a nick like you know, guys, we have this words 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.800 Africa sticks out right, well, you know, they can shave 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:05.480 it or they either wear those things. You know, they 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.800 wear those black things around they next. So you if 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.520 you see um, somebody wearing one of these things, you 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.360 might want to get a closer observation. And I think 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.080 we lived in the area now where you have to 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:19.960 ask questions, bro, because the thing is, you're right, gee, 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:24.000 they do an immaculate job of turning some of these 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.199 men into women. Some of them. You if you look 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.560 at the picture, you cannot tell the difference. You remember, 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:30.760 we had a photo that we had going around our 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:34.480 group see five years ago. It was like which group 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:36.480 of the women and which group are the are the things? 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.000 It's like, I feel bad for my kids now, I 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.160 feel sorry for my son's dude if they if you're 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:45.480 not careful, you could probably possibly get dude. I don't 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.320 give as much credit to the trans community for it. 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:54.160 I place blame on women, you know what I mean, 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:58.840 Because it's not the trans women are moving closer to women, 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:02.400 it's the women are moving further from women. Yeah, and 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.960 going into a and going into a trans community beauty standard. 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:09.959 So but I thought it was interesting because it's one 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:13.880 of those situations where people started referencing it like a 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:17.480 hate crime, and I just thought that was crazy. I'm like, 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:23.080 okay for it to be a hate crime, right, It's like, 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:30.240 I guess that's where I want. Yeah, that's what I 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.240 wanted to talk about, because is that really a hate crime? 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:40.840 Did that person? Did? Did Nicky die? Because you know 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.480 he like if if Nikki was just a trans person 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:49.880 walking down the street and the guy what was his name? Okay, 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.600 so all these are dragging like David. If David was 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:54.880 walking down the street and Nikki was walking down the 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:59.880 street where he had just killed him, that's a hate crime. 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:04.400 And if you if you kind of and this is 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:06.280 this is where me and you disagree at a lot 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.040 of times, and I tell you it's a weird place 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:13.280 to sit. If the whole goal of somebody that's truly 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:18.120 a trans person in this position is they really believe 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.240 they were born a woman, They really feel like they 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.640 were a woman internally and they got blessed or they 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:28.880 got cursed with the man's gender or the other way around. Right, 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.839 So I genuinely think a lot of the goals, Now 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.959 this could be not true, but I believe it to 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:40.080 be true based off of what the mathematics is. They 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:47.280 want to attrack heateral sexual males because that's what women attract. 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.080 I mean, you don't see, like I said, you rarely 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:55.079 see two studs together. I think they think that's gay. 0:11:55.520 --> 0:12:00.160 You don't rarely see two trans people together, you know. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.800 I mean like if you look, if any of it 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.880 comes across your timeline or in your space, it's usually 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:11.040 always somebody who looks like a regular person with someone 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.320 from the trans community. You rarely. I I can't think 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.640 of a time, well, I've seen to trans people, like 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.600 is there a popular time where to trans people from 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.400 the trans community were dating and they both had titties 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.080 and dicks? Know what I'm saying, That ship don't really 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.360 work out. So I think that's what I was telling 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.800 you is important that when you were saying it should 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.200 be a law to for for people to have to 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.240 disclose that, And I'm like, that kind of goes against 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.400 what that person is trying to achieve or what they believe. 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:45.440 And it's what about a person's right as a hetero 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.640 sexual male to know what the hell is going on. 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:52.880 I'm not dissingg and this is what ida you know, 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:54.600 I'm olding on, Peter. So I gotta get this off 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:57.480 or I'll miss rown forgetting spring chicken. You know I 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.720 missed roun forgetting So this is what I'm saying. Man, 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.920 if I'm riding down the street and the police pulled 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.960 me over and I handed my driver's license and it 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:10.760 says that my name is Peter Boss, the reality ain't 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:12.800 the Norman Steel and they find out, hey, you get 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.120 a fake license. What are they gonna do. Are they 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.800 just gonna let me go about my way? They're gonna 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.400 they arrest me? Or right? But if you tell. But 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.640 if you lie to Pete and tell Pete your name 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:27.559 is Glasses Malone, Pete can't do nothing to you. See, 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:29.800 it's different when you're dealing with the law enforcement and 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.760 when you're dealing with other civilians. But first gold On, 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.360 Peter Ken and Theory do something. He can call and 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.320 he can drop the dime and say, man, this dude 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:41.160 is out here in first nating my homeboy Glasses something. 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.560 But long as he doesn't as long as the police, 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:45.520 as long as he doesn't do it to the police, 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.520 it won't matter. But it's only if you manifest it. 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.080 It's only if you do it, yeah, like to a 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:56.080 financial institution or government institution. And I feel like this. 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.600 It's all about everyone. Just like just like these the 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:04.320 train community has the right to exercise their lifestyle, their choices. 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.520 I have the right just like you, Just like Peter 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:13.920 is a hetero sexual male, A sleep with women, sleep 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.600 with you know what I mean. So it's like you 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:21.680 can sleep with eighties. No, man, it ain't No. No, 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:26.520 I'm just saying I'm not into that lifestyle. But what 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:32.680 lifestyle is if okay, as a transphobic person, right, and 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:37.000 then you're not a transphobic person, right, I don't according 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.720 to your definition very much. No, you keep saying you not, 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.200 so as if that's what it means. I don't want 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.880 to sleep with a transaxl Yeah, that means I'm a transphobic. 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:51.120 I'm a very transport No, nothing against them, that'shing against them? 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.400 Is everything against them, that's no, it's not. I don't 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.400 have They don't mean I'm against them, see I think. 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.640 But they want to be treated like a regular woman. 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.560 That's so. It's it's not as like they don't want 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:07.920 to be treating people. Don't not listen, you can't speak 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:11.080 for every last person, but from the general consensus that 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.800 I got is they don't you know, they don't. They 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.560 don't even like the title trans women. They want to 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:21.320 just be women. And and that's where it gets crafty. 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:25.720 So what I was asking about it is because that 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.120 space in the in Washington has changed now right where 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.520 now you can't do it like now if if if 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.480 somebody reveals to you, like let's say, if you meet 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.720 a lady and you know you're you're feeling hers. You 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.040 think she cute, she all made up and she started 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.160 giving you head right she felacio is happening in the car, 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.160 and then you reaching her past, thinking you're about to 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.960 get cracking, you feel me and you grab a handful 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:54.040 of dog. If you snap and do something to her. 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.680 Now it just doesn't matter. There's like the passion part 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.880 of it is gone, but trail part of it is gone. Well, 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:05.440 it's almost like a crime of passion we used to 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.040 be where it's so overwhelming. It's like the guy. It's 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.800 like almost the same effect impact as the guy that 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.720 walks in from a hard days work and find his 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:16.920 best friend on top of his wife or whatever. Right, 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:19.760 he may snap and you know whatever, he guys he 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:21.520 got his pistol on him. He may draw down and 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.240 kill both of them, or he'd made he would into 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:27.080 a bully, you know, a bloody pop or whatever. It's 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.160 a crime of passion, bro. And my thing is this, right, 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.240 we're in a really funny space in America, dude, to 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:38.440 where everything you say can be misconstrued as you being 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.840 a hateful person. But it's not actually the case. But 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.960 you if you kick your personal space violated, you have 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.760 the right to feel the way you feel. Now, I 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:52.080 don't condone nobody going out they're killing nobody, but but 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.120 that's that's what I want to ask you about that 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:58.000 that crime element. Do you feel like, what should that 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:02.880 crime be? If like, let's say, you know, not you, 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.400 but some guys out there, you know what I mean. 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.639 And you know, he meet a girl, hook up with 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.359 a lady, you know what I mean, and she giving 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.520 him you know it's for la shows happening, and he 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.280 reaching her pants and feel a handful of hot dog 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:24.080 and didn't know. Let's say, let's say, huh sure or whatever. 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:28.160 So he feels a handful of it and he snaps 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.920 and let's say he just like punches her and she died. 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:35.800 Should that be secondary degree murder or should it be 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.520 involuntary man like when does it become a space that 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:42.480 you understand that people emostly like that's a lot of 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:47.240 people's most prideful thing, you know, their their sexuality, you mean, 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.480 their masculinity. So if you violate that for a lot 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:54.480 of people like that is you know serious? So I'm 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:59.680 asking it's oh, I like that. I think it should 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.920 be looked this rape dude. I think just like if 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.680 just like if I impose my wheel on a young lady, 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.040 if I pose my wheel and a woman, I'm going 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:12.440 to jail because there's free you know what should maybe 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:18.200 perhaps a statutory because you could be to a degree 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:24.040 co you know, you know how they define statutory rape 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.560 with a minor as in spite of the minor having 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:29.679 been willing, they were coerced because they lacked the capacity 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.240 or whatever to make the judgment. If you are not 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:35.920 afforded the appropriate information to make judgment on your terms, 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:40.440 it could be perceived possibly in the statutory category. M 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.240 that makes sense, But I think a person is very 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.160 cognitive on whether they want to sleep with a transgendive 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.920 person or some people just well, if this is being 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.600 predicated on the idea that that that that it's sprung 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.040 on you and you don't know until the moment. However, 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:59.800 I like that. On the flip side, there's like, you know, 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.840 there's not a lot of like passion crimes are still crimes. There. 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:06.760 There are not a lot of examples that I can 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.119 think of. I can't think of any. And maybe it 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.879 perhaps a de escalation of degree, but there's other than 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:17.040 self defense, there's not really any because because it's it's 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.840 very emasculating for some other man to come in and 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:23.399 bust your wife down in your house. You can't do 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:27.960 anything to either of them, you know, like that's highly emasculating. 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.959 They will charge you. They won't charge you with murder 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.440 sometimes because of the heat of passion. They will say 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.000 it's a voluntary manslade of you were to kill somebody 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.679 in that situation. You know, the charges of killing somebody 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:46.000 changes a lot of that. Yeah, a lot of that's 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:49.440 determined by your district. At the d A thinks I'm 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:55.159 not going to be able to fore go along with this. Yeah, 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:57.240 And the other thing I was gonna say earlier is 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:01.760 so far as the hate crime element go. On the 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:07.040 one hand, as you were saying, if Joe Blow sees 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.800 a trans person walking to the sidewalk doesn't kill that person. 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:14.520 If Joe Blow has a an experience or whatever we're 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:19.520 finds himself unknowingly intimate with one then kills that person. 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.840 That the dependent variable is still that person being trans 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:26.320 because if you found himself intimate with a woman, wouldn't 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.000 kill the woman. Find us intimate with the transperson kills 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.520 a trans person. So the variable that still them being 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:36.560 the trans person. So you're likely there's a there's a 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:41.200 there's a logical case for That's what I'm going. That's 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.399 what I'm saying. That's my point out still, not to 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.119 cut you off, big bro, but that's my point I 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:46.919 was gonna say. That's why I think what Still is 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:51.080 saying is super duper important. A lot of that defense 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:57.080 right because not not defense, y'all are both right. It 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:01.960 should be charged as a crime. That is, that's a 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:06.320 real conversation that should be happening to where if you 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:11.280 if you do that to somebody and they have no idea, 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:16.800 that should be considered rape. But because because that's because 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:21.280 if somebody is raping you, if somebody's raping you, now 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:26.399 that's where I'm gonna go. The pushback on that is 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:32.080 going to be that you you are then afforded a 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:37.800 degree of self defense. The difference in this scenario is 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:45.520 the like imposition of physical threat and force disparity, you know, 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:55.040 and a conventional rape scenario, the female is on the 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:59.479 short side of force, So a forceful defense act is 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:03.959 a means of preventing it from happening or continuing to happen, 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:08.360 whereas it doesn't require physical force to prevent that from 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:11.119 happening or continuing to happen once you're made aware of it. 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:14.919 At that point, it's purely just it's more revenge driven 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:19.760 than de escalatory or safety driven, see what I'm saying. Yeah, 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:23.600 but even in California, if someone's raping you and you 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:30.200 kill them, you still going to jail. Yes, true. Interestingly enough, 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:34.199 in California, you no longer have to disclose to a 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.320 person that you're HIV positive if you intend on giving 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:41.040 them age sexually, whereas it used to be a murder too. 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:46.920 So so you know, yeah, it's a big step forward 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:54.280 for the AIDS community. So aid HIV and go sleep 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.640 with somebody and not be able accountable for that. Yes, 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:03.760 country right now, man, But that's per state still, that's 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:06.960 per state law. Man, that would be a world. That 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:10.280 should be a law. I think. I don't think you're 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.000 allowed to enter a home if you know you have 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:17.560 COVID without telling him. Though, ye know. The reason I'm 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:20.000 saying that still is I think you're on is something. 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:23.120 I think watching that whole show, That's the feel I got, 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:26.000 Like even when I was watching it, where you know, 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:27.840 they were talking about it and they were saying, I 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:29.480 was like, damn, this is messed up. What happened to 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:31.880 this little teenager? You know what I mean? It's seventeen 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:34.119 year old motherfucking blah blah blah. And then they go 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:36.480 into the guy shot and she didn't want to tell 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:40.000 who shot. I was like, Oh, this motherfucker catfishing people 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:43.680 and motherfucker's is finding out and they're overreacting, you know 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:46.920 what I mean. It's like you stole somebody's masculinity, and 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:52.280 that's what it feels like. People are reacting. And you know, 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:55.240 it was a part you talked about where her mom 0:23:55.359 --> 0:24:00.560 was saying, where Nikki's mom was saying, oh, well, um, 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:02.480 you know my daughter and your daughter. You know my 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:05.320 daughter just to my daughter's trans No, It's like if 0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:14.399 somebody's intentionally deceiving you, m intentionally deceiving you, you know 0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:16.600 what I mean. That's where it starts to happen. And 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:19.760 again they're taking something from you. Still that that we 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:23.240 might need to really start sitting down and figuring out agenda. 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:27.480 Like I'm not again, I'm not necessarily like that's like 0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:30.600 I might be transposed, but I'm not against the trans communities. 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:33.080 But I think that that should be a real thing, 0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:37.320 because you have to find some space to allow people 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:39.960