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Speaker 1: Welcome to America's Mr garbutchaf tear down this wall. Either

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Speaker 1: we will make America great again. We'll never sharender. It's

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Speaker 1: what you've been waiting for all day. Buck Sexton, with

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Speaker 1: Sexting with American now here, Thank you so much for joining.

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Speaker 1: Phone lines are open eight four four to eight to five.

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Speaker 1: but um House Bill two in North Carolina has been repealed,

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Speaker 1: so you've gone beyond even just saying you can't say

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Speaker 1: Trump administration needs to get this thing together with the House.

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Speaker 1: one study that is not later on retracted. I would

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Speaker 1: like to see one case, one instance where you have

431
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Speaker 1: a serious news source dive into this and tell us

432
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Speaker 1: how this played out and anyone given situation. I also

433
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Speaker 1: was reading today that they believe this was targeted at

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Speaker 1: certain states. This was an incredibly sophisticated operation. I'm here

435
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: in the US reading news all the time. This is

436
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: what I do for a living, and none of this

437
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: fake news stuff ever got into my feed, never crossed

438
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: my radar, and away there's at all. What's what's that

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00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: all about? I I can't figure I can't figure this out.

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00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: That's really that's really crazy, that's really strange. No, if

441
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Speaker 1: somebody is able to be fooled by fake news, I

442
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: don't know what the national security defense mechanism is that

443
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: we're going to put in place. Unless you're gonna wall

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Speaker 1: off the US Internet from the Internet and the rest

445
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: of the world. There's all kinds of you know, there's

446
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff that's out there, and yet here

447
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: we are more of the Russia collusion. Russia through the election,

448
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: Russia stole it all Hillary. They took it from Hillary.

449
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: It's so fair, so unfair. They were ready for Hillary,

450
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: all the journalists were ready for her, and then it

451
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 1: was just taken away. It's so mean. So you have

452
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Speaker 1: the bots now now we're being told about the bots,

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Speaker 1: and also you have Watts, this guy a Nationalscurity ASP

454
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Speaker 1: for Clinton Watts testifying that this is again part of

455
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Speaker 1: the part of the the conspiracy. Now, I'm not saying

456
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Speaker 1: the Russians don't play really rough and dirty, and they do. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: The Russian government's got a lot of lot of bad

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00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: a lot of bad dudes. It's true that, and Putin

459
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: is one of them. I would not want to be

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Speaker 1: on the wrong side of Putin. I remember I was

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Speaker 1: over at CNN when one of Putin's critics was shot

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Speaker 1: within just within the shadow of the of the Kremlin itself,

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Speaker 1: and we were talking about it. It was it was

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Speaker 1: breaking news at the time, and I was on Aerond

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00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: and they're saying, well, look at this. Then sure enough,

466
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Speaker 1: there was a camera that was nearby, a surveillance camera

467
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: just happened to be out and it was looked like

468
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Speaker 1: a very professional hit. It was against the Kremlin critic,

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Speaker 1: and well, we get it right. And then they they

470
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: threw some uh some nobody's into prison for it later

471
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: and said they were I think they were tied to

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Speaker 1: Chechenians or something. I mean, it was it was classic,

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Speaker 1: classic what you'd expect in in Russia right now. But

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00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: why is all that Donald Trump's problem? Why is this

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Speaker 1: forcing us now to sit around and have constant cestimony

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00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: from Jared Kushner and from all these others that have

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Speaker 1: to talk about, oh, women's the last time you spoke

478
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Speaker 1: to a Russian or what Russian dealings with businesses have

479
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: you had in the past. Uh. And then of course

480
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: all the evil deal all the evil deals and doings

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Speaker 1: of the Russian government, or it can be pointed to

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Speaker 1: as look at how bad they are. Look at how

483
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Speaker 1: bad they are. They've been this bad for a long time.

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Speaker 1: This isn't new. They were this bad for all eight

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Speaker 1: years of Obama's time in office. There were this bad

486
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Speaker 1: when Hillary pressed their ridiculous red reset button. They were

487
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Speaker 1: this bad when Obama said he had more flexibility when

488
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Speaker 1: he told Medvedev to pass on to Putin, he have

489
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Speaker 1: more flexibility after the election. This is none of this

490
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: stuff is a revelation, but it's part of the broader construct,

491
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Speaker 1: which is we've got Russia opposition enemy, really scary. We

492
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: need to just every day more stories about Russia and

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Speaker 1: how bad it is and all the Russian governments so

494
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Speaker 1: evil and they kill people. And like I said, okay, yeah,

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00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: that's true, but you could run that about a lot

496
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Speaker 1: of different countries. And the only reason this is of

497
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: such interest is because Democrats just need they need to

498
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: be constantly fed this narrative that Trump is evil and

499
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: then he stole the election, and anything that goes in

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Speaker 1: that direction Democrats want to read, they want to hear about,

501
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: and some Republicans too, to be sure. And I was

502
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: just saying to somebody yesterday, I I resent the implication.

503
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: I really do that those of us who don't buy

504
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: into this, that though those of us who see the

505
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: Russian investigation as a political ploy to harm the administration

506
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Speaker 1: its prospects to oppose it politically because the Democrats are

507
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Speaker 1: out of power. And this is all you want to

508
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: talk about, a conspiracy. The conspiracy is really between the

509
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Speaker 1: Democrats and the media and all the different organs and

510
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Speaker 1: agencies of the progressive left, including some elements of the

511
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Speaker 1: American version of the deep state, which is much less

512
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: than it is in other countries, working together to create

513
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Speaker 1: this storyline. And I know there's a that says, you know, Buck,

514
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: we shouldn't spend our time dealing with this, We shouldn't

515
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Speaker 1: spend our time getting into this. There's I want to

516
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: we but we will talk about healthcare, we will talk

517
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 1: about immigration, I will focus in on core issues, and

518
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 1: I'll just tell you some fun stories because we need

519
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: to relax as well too. That's part of my mandate

520
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: here in the Freedom HUD. But when you have so

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Speaker 1: many megaphones shouting the same thing, and such a defamatory

522
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: and destructive thing, that the sitting president the United States

523
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Speaker 1: is a traitor, can you imagine for a second what

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Speaker 1: the reaction would have been if, in the first ninety

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Speaker 1: days of Barack Obama's presidency, you had not crazy he's

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Speaker 1: on the on the on the political spectrum of one

527
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: kind of the not people on the fringe, not you know,

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Speaker 1: those people out there who just like to yell and

529
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: scream at everybody on social media. Now, if you had

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Speaker 1: the largest newspapers and the largest TV news platforms in

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Speaker 1: the country giving credibility, given credence to the idea that

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Speaker 1: the president of the United States was a trader, was

533
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Speaker 1: guilty of treason. Can you imagine what the response would

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00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: have been if any of them had done that, Never

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00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: mind if all of them, which is or most of them,

536
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: which is what's going on right now. I think it's

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00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: interesting for this this game goes both ways. People say, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, Buck, what about what if Barack Obama had

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Speaker 1: made his had made members of his family official White

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Speaker 1: House staff. The answers, Yeah, I think there would have.

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Speaker 1: I think there would have been people on the right

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Speaker 1: who opposed that, who maybe are a little more okay

543
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: with what's going on right now in the White House

544
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: than they should be. Yeah, that that's the truth. But

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00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: there's all okay, if we're gonna play that game, let's

546
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: really play that game, which is imagine for a moment

547
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: that the entirety of the Republican Party was suggesting that

548
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: Barack Obama was was a traitor to his country and

549
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: part of some massive skin and offered zero evidence. I

550
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: don't care if involved Russia or Iran or you know, space, aliens,

551
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, but a traitor to his country there It

552
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: just it would have created the kind of division that

553
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: really does keep you up late at night and worry

554
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: about the future of this country. And I think we're

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00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: getting closer and closer to that right now. People that

556
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: I think are otherwise saying and reasonable on a whole

557
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: host of issues, fellow conservatives, they really, they really believe this.

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Speaker 1: And I keep saying to them. And this is where

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Speaker 1: I feel like I needed off rup that I have

560
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: some resentment of the implication here, which is if the

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Speaker 1: president United States was getting a you know, paperbacks full

562
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Speaker 1: of cash or what, it wouldn't be that whatever, if

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Speaker 1: they had UH compromipt compromising information on him. Compromis what

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Speaker 1: the Russians would call it, if they had UH some

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Speaker 1: or if or if Trump was just so unscrupulous and

566
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Speaker 1: so insistent on being president even though his presidency would

567
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: be hounded by the possibility being found out to have

568
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: colluded with a foreign power to steal the election. Think

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Speaker 1: of about how do you sleep at night with that

570
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: or hanging over your head? This this is what they

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Speaker 1: offer up. And when I say that I would want

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00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: to know if that were true, they go, oh, no,

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00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: you know Trump or Trump bought and everything. No, look,

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Speaker 1: i'll tell you what I think. I'm telling you right now.

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00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: On healthcare, I do not like what I'm seeing from

576
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: Trump or the or the Republican Congress. I don't like it.

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00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: It's not good. It's not good. Uh. And the rollout

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Speaker 1: of the travel band whatever we're supposed to call it,

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Speaker 1: the executive order limiting travel from six Muslim majority countries

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Speaker 1: Part two. Uh, that wasn't done well in the beginning

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Speaker 1: the first time. Second time, I think it got it

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00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: pretty much right. But you know, there are some problems here,

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00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: and you know, making members of your family senior White

584
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: House officials is that's also if we're gonna be we're

585
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: gonna keep it real, which is what we do here.

586
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit around. So everything Trump does is amazing.

587
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: When he had to beat Hillary, you know, you gotta

588
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do. I couldn't couldn't live in

589
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: a hill America if I could have avoided it. So okay,

590
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: but now we need a president that's pushing for good

591
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: policies and is getting stuff done. I think he's trying.

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00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: I still think his intentions are good. I still support

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Speaker 1: the agenda, I support the platform. But let's not pretend

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Speaker 1: that just because Trump does it, it's good. Yeah. This

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00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: is perhaps a separate conversation. But I got because I'm

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Speaker 1: because I'm willing, though, to look at each issue in

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00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: that way on and I'm a former intelligence officer who

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00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: has much more understanding of a lot of these issues

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00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: of surveillance and classified and all that stuff than of

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Speaker 1: the radio host TV people, et cetera that are out

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00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: there right now, and I'm sitting here saying, look, I'm

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00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: willing to say that Trump makes mistakes, right, I don't

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00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 1: say everything he does is great, and I just don't

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00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: see it. On this Russia stuff, I just don't see

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00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: I don't see it. And when I ask, it's like

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00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: it's like telling somebody that I don't see the problem

607
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: with don't see the imminent threat from climate change. They're

608
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: just like, what do you mean? I mean, I mean,

609
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: what do you mean that what we'll exploit make this?

610
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: Don't tell me that you're so smarter, you're so right,

611
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: and that I'm so dumb, and that's why you're right.

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00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: That's not an argument. Why is Trump? Why are we

613
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: supposed to believe that Trump did this or that there's

614
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: this investigation is going to find what? What is it

615
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: going to find out? I get no good answers about

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00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: this at all. I just get a lot of, you know,

617
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: sputtering and indignation. Trump is so bad. Those guys like

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00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: he's been married three times. I'm like, what does that

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Speaker 1: have to do with anything? Oh, he's so bad. Look

620
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: at his hair. They just hate him. They just hate

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Speaker 1: him and all the Russia stuff is a way to

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Speaker 1: intellectualize and a irrational hatred of the President of the

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Speaker 1: United States. It gives some intellectual top cover to think

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Speaker 1: that the president is a trader and he's terrible and

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Speaker 1: and that's why it's never gonna go away. So I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna try to strike a balance here in the Freedom

627
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Speaker 1: how to. We'll we'll address the issues as they come up. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll talk about the revelations or whatever put up. They're

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00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: playing the music, because I got so into this that

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Speaker 1: I forgot him where it was all right, you see

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Though there's nothing, there's still nothing. Oh boy,

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Speaker 1: I got some breaking news for all of you, especially.

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Speaker 1: This is what happens when you're doing live radio. Everybody

634
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: who this is interesting. This is interesting Wall Street Journal reporting,

635
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 1: not some left wing rag Wall Street Journal reporting. Mike Flynn,

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00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: this just broke everybody. Mike Flynn offers to testify in

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00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: exchange for immunity. That is the headline. Former National security

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00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: advisor tells FBI, the House and Senate Intelligence committees that

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Speaker 1: he's willing to be interviewed in exchange for a deal.

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00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: Now this is gonna get nuts. I've read through this

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00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: over the course. This just broke. I just broke, uh

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00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: in the last few minutes. It just came when I

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Speaker 1: don't see it. This doesn't mean necessarily what people are

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Speaker 1: immediately going to assume that it means um, which is

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Speaker 1: and like Flynn, there's some shady stuff. This is very interesting.

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Speaker 1: It probably um, it probably means And I suppose then

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Speaker 1: the the assertions that came on TV last week that

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Speaker 1: there was a Now there's a difference between a deal

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Speaker 1: where you're deferring prosecution and a deal where you have

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Speaker 1: immunity so that you don't have to worry about possibly

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Speaker 1: being prosecuted for what you say. If that makes sense,

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Speaker 1: meaning there's a deal you cut where you aren't going

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Speaker 1: to be prosecuted for something you did it And then

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Speaker 1: there's just I will testify, but I can't be held

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Speaker 1: legally liable for anything I say. We'll get into this

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Speaker 1: more team stay with me. He spreads freedom because freedom

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Speaker 1: is not gonna spread itself, Buck sext in his back

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Speaker 1: Welcome back Team. I'm I'm just dealing with the the uh,

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Speaker 1: the wow of this, this revelation, this is it is

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Speaker 1: breaking news just to bring us all back into the

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Speaker 1: same place here, breaking news that Michael Flynn has, according

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Speaker 1: to report, I've seen the Wall Street Journal and picked

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Speaker 1: up elsewhere too. Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn is,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm about about a month. I'm just I I

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Speaker 1: love it. I'm like, I don't see any problem here,

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Speaker 1: Like I really don't. Please tell me what and now,

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Speaker 1: of course, well, I'm all I'm talking about that we

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Speaker 1: have this moment where by the way, this doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: the no, it's all I'm backtracking. This doesn't mean what

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Speaker 1: they say it means. Or rather, this is not an

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Speaker 1: admission of anything. It's I'm not gonna pretend it's good.

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Speaker 1: It's obviously not a good thing. And clearly there were

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Speaker 1: some Democrats who had a tip off about this a

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Speaker 1: few days ago. Uh. But which is also quite interesting

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Speaker 1: to me, how did that how did that manage to

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Speaker 1: get out there? Uh? But a few things to put

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Speaker 1: this in the proper context. First of all, on the floor,

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Speaker 1: so so just so we're all we all are in

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Speaker 1: the same space here again. National Security visor Former National

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Speaker 1: Security Advisor General Michael Flynn has reportedly courting the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal, not yet confirmed, but Flynn's lawyers haven't haven't

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Speaker 1: responded yet. My understanding, based on the reports that he

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Speaker 1: will testify about not even all that clear yet about what,

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Speaker 1: but he will testify about the in some regard to

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Speaker 1: Russia's stuff, uh, in exchange for immunity. Um, he will.

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Speaker 1: He has told the FBI, House and Senate intelligence communites

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Speaker 1: he is willing to be interviewed in exchange for a deal. Now,

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Speaker 1: there are very different versions of this same situation, very

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Speaker 1: different versions of this same situation here. Um. Okay, First off,

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Speaker 1: it is possible, based on what we know of the

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Speaker 1: whole Flynn case, it is possible that he got caught

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Speaker 1: up somehow and and they you know, I don't know

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Speaker 1: that there's there's a at least a concern here about

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Speaker 1: they were about a perjury case, that they might have

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Speaker 1: been trying to make a perjury case against Flynn. Um Uh.

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Speaker 1: There there's also the possibility he's just trying to avoid

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Speaker 1: a perjury case. Um. Although I'm trying to think of

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Speaker 1: when he would have been under oath on this issue,

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Speaker 1: I mean, lying to Vice President pats Is not was

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Speaker 1: he under was he was he under oath on this one?

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Speaker 1: I have to check on. I don't think he was. Um,

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Speaker 1: it was Sessions who were speaking to the Senate in

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Speaker 1: an under oath capacity about his Russian meetings, and they

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Speaker 1: made this whole big thing and we all we remember that, right,

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Speaker 1: he had had two meetings with Russians, and then there

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Speaker 1: was a h a whole dustop over why didn't he

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Speaker 1: bring up that? And one of the meetings was like

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Speaker 1: a passing like hey, what's up Russian dude? Okay, but

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Speaker 1: it is possible here that what Flynn is, what what

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Speaker 1: Flynn has realized is one he is politically radioactive, he

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Speaker 1: resigned White House, doesn't really have his back and a

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Speaker 1: lot of problems here. What he realizes that if he's

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Speaker 1: going to testify on this, he doesn't want to be

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Speaker 1: in a situation where he is an a perjury app

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Speaker 1: which I know sounds like, well, just tell the truth,

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Speaker 1: but it's not that straightforward. It's not that simple. Um,

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Speaker 1: It's very easy, through lots of through questioning to get jam.

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Speaker 1: Look what happened to Sessions. I do not believe for

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Speaker 1: one second that Sessions was trying to lie to the

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Speaker 1: Senate during confirmation hearings about his Russian meetings. With the

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Speaker 1: Al Franken question and all that, I don't believe that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I don't believe that. Okay, um so,

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Speaker 1: And for those of you who are just joined to

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Speaker 1: keep in mind report out just breaking news during this show.

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Speaker 1: Michael Flynn FBI UH immunity deal for testifying. Michael Flynn

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Speaker 1: has gone to the FBI homete security in the Senate

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Speaker 1: and said he will testify on this issue. Now, let

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Speaker 1: me say this because I promise you there will be

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Speaker 1: some news outlets out there that are very slow to

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Speaker 1: remind you of this at all if they feel like

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Speaker 1: saying it in the first place. And that is you

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Speaker 1: will recall that during the investigation investigation into Hillary's emails,

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Speaker 1: there were at least two that I can remember, senior age,

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Speaker 1: maybe it was three, who were given complete and completed

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Speaker 1: absolute immunity for handing over their laptops to be inspected.

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Speaker 1: So the deal was, you know, we'll we'll give you

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Speaker 1: these laptops, but this can't be used against us in

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Speaker 1: any compact. We're gonna just gonna give this to you, uh.

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Speaker 1: And that was immunity. And by the way, they all

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Speaker 1: had classified on their laptops. Obviously, and it was, which

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Speaker 1: is illegal, and no charge is brought against anybody in

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Speaker 1: that instance. And we were told by the media at

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Speaker 1: that time that this was not that that's not an

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Speaker 1: admission of guilt, that you can't take that to be

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Speaker 1: anything other than just protection that is legally afforded to

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Speaker 1: people in the process for providing information. And so it

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Speaker 1: was supposed to be not a big deal. So Hillary

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Speaker 1: brought against anybody. Saying that Flynn cut a deal with

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Speaker 1: the FBI can imply that, oh, he's going to testify

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Speaker 1: against the Trump administration with damning information. I don't believe that.

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Speaker 1: But he doesn't want to be in a position where

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Speaker 1: he can be caught up for perjury or perhaps for

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Speaker 1: not registering as a foreign agent because of the payments

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Speaker 1: that received for Turkey. He's just saying, look, i'll talk.

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Speaker 1: But this is what I think at least, he's saying, look,

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Speaker 1: I'll talk, but that doesn't mean that I'm gonna put

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Speaker 1: myself in legal jeopardy. I will testify, but whatever I

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Speaker 1: tell you, I can't be prosecuted for it in any capacity,

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Speaker 1: and it might have nothing to do with Trump in

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Speaker 1: the conspiracy and Russian you know, we'll see people right

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Speaker 1: now would mock that. I'm sure the Trump haters would say, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, nothing to do with Trump. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with Trump. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's most likely to me that this

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Speaker 1: is just a procedure protection in place to prevent the

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Speaker 1: prosecution of Flynn because people really hate this guy. That's

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Speaker 1: my sense of it. I I mean, Democrats hate him, and

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Speaker 1: Republicans have have left him out hind right. And look,

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Speaker 1: he made some bad moves. He made some bad decisions.

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Speaker 1: As part of what I was saying before, he made

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Speaker 1: some very unwise choices in the run up to being

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Speaker 1: National Security Advisor, including his discussions with Vice President Pence

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Speaker 1: as well as taking money from Turkey as well as

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Speaker 1: working for r T. I've told you this before, and

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Speaker 1: this is I need someone because some people get very

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Speaker 1: anger at me when I'm critical of Flynn at all.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, look, I'm sorry, I'm not here. I'm not

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Speaker 1: an administration lackey. I'm not here to just do whatever

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Speaker 1: they want and tell you whatever they think. You know,

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Speaker 1: they think you should be told that's not how we roll.

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Speaker 1: This is the freedom hut, I say whatever. I would

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Speaker 1: I would never even go on our T. And that

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Speaker 1: was because it was a Kremlin propaganda channel and I

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Speaker 1: knew that, and Flynn knew that too. That was bad judgment.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was bad judgment. Now I don't think

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Speaker 1: that means if Flynn is a at all. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that means that Flynn betrade his country or any

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Speaker 1: of that. But you can imagine the field day that

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Speaker 1: the media is going to have with this, assuming it's true.

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Speaker 1: Remember it's just a report right now, but it probably is.

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Speaker 1: This would be quite The Walster journal is really hanging

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Speaker 1: itself out the window on this one if they're not

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Speaker 1: sure about the sourcing. So I believe it is likely true,

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Speaker 1: almost certainly true, that Flynn wants immunity for testifying. So

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be treated as a bombshell. I think it

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Speaker 1: will fade as we know more about it in the

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Speaker 1: next day or two. Obviously, now the countdown to Flynn's

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Speaker 1: testimony is gonna be like a giant clock in every

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Speaker 1: news room across the country. But I think this is

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Speaker 1: just him saying, look, I'll testify, but you know, I

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Speaker 1: know they're after me. There was a leak. R there

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Speaker 1: was a leak to get this guy in trouble that

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Speaker 1: we they won't tell us if it's classified. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know how else you find out about a phone

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Speaker 1: call between an ambassador and an incoming national security advisor.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how else you'd know that.

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Speaker 1: So they've already played dirty to get him once, and

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Speaker 1: he's worried. I think that they're gonna try to play

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Speaker 1: dirty again and jam him up on something. Maybe there's more.

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Speaker 1: If there's more, I will be among them. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be the first to say it. But I will

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Speaker 1: treat that as new information and we will see. But man,

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Speaker 1: this White House, it's gonna be ah, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a long day tomorrow the news cycle here, I am

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Speaker 1: with you with this breaking news. Just oh man, that

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be churning this stuff out for all the

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Speaker 1: newspapers across the country. All right, everybody, welcome back. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being here, very much appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We are joined by oh vic Roy. He is president

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Speaker 1: of the Foundation for Research on Equal opportunity. He's also

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Speaker 1: Forbes opinion editor and author of Transcending Obamacare. He's back

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Speaker 1: with us in the hut ovid. Great to have you.

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Speaker 1: I'm good, so, uh you have first? Can I ask

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Speaker 1: you about before you tell us your plan? Uh? And

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Speaker 1: Cultures are on the show on our you know, we've

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Speaker 1: been on the show a few times in the last

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Speaker 1: month or so, and she just wrote it, Look, all

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Speaker 1: they really need to do is allow people to buy

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Speaker 1: the health insurance plan they want to buy, and that

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Speaker 1: changes the whole game. Does she have a point? Is

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Speaker 1: that just too simplistic to me? That seems like it

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Speaker 1: it gets to the heart of the matter. But that

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Speaker 1: would mean that a lot of people would well what

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Speaker 1: would that mean? Well, it's both of those things. She

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Speaker 1: has a point, and it is too simplistic. So she

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Speaker 1: has a point in that one of the biggest ways

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Speaker 1: in which the government, both at the federal and state level,

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Speaker 1: restrict our freedom is by restricting the type of health

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Speaker 1: insurance we can buy. Before Obamacare came along and added

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Speaker 1: that new federal regula or regulation and what kind of

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Speaker 1: insurance plans to goodbuye, you still had states regulating pretty aggressively.

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Speaker 1: What kind of insurance you can buy, you know, in

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Speaker 1: New York, for example, where I used to live in

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Speaker 1: where I think you still live buck uh, for example,

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Speaker 1: you're forced to buy a policy that contain coverage for acupuncture,

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Speaker 1: even though you may never use acupuncture in your entire life.

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Speaker 1: So these insurance mandates have been a big problem at

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Speaker 1: the state level for a long time. So, yes, she

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Speaker 1: has a point that would be a great expansion of

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Speaker 1: freedom we can get if we can get rid of

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Speaker 1: those mandates. The problem is Congress doesn't have the ability

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Speaker 1: to write a law or pass a law that forces

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Speaker 1: states to not have insurance mandates, right at least not

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Speaker 1: the way you and I understand the Constitution. The federal

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Speaker 1: government can say we're not going to have any insurance mandates,

859
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Speaker 1: but they can't prohibit states from having insurance mandates and

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Speaker 1: for and cultures planned to work, she'd have to do

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Speaker 1: both of those things. So so what would be the

862
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Speaker 1: way to actually achieve her goals? But do it in

863
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Speaker 1: a way that you think it can get done. I

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Speaker 1: assume this is the overcrowy path forward. Well it's it's not.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't take credit for it, but you know,

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Speaker 1: the idea that's been out there for a long time

867
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Speaker 1: and conservative circles has been to buy insurance across state lines. Right.

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Speaker 1: The whole idea behind that is that if you can

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Speaker 1: buy insurance across state line, then the state that has

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Speaker 1: the cleanest and this and the most straightforward regulatory system

871
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Speaker 1: is the state from which everyone will buy their health

872
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Speaker 1: insurance because that state will have lower mandates and therefore

873
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Speaker 1: lower fewer mandates therefore lower costs, right, just like we

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Speaker 1: do it with other kinds of insurance. That that's the

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Speaker 1: fear behind that, And that's what the President actually has

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Speaker 1: been a big advocate for. So is that and and

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Speaker 1: so then we go, is that the only thing that

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Speaker 1: we need to do to make our healthcare system better? No?

879
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Speaker 1: But would it have an effect? Yes? And in fact,

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Speaker 1: my most recent piece at Forbes dot com, where as

881
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Speaker 1: you know, I have this blog called the Apothecary, we

882
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Speaker 1: write about healthcare stuff, I actually have a piece that

883
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Speaker 1: talks about how you could include allowing insurance across state

884
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Speaker 1: lines in the repeal and replace bill that Congress is

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Speaker 1: trying to put together. Why do I mean forget about

886
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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you why this all fell apart?

887
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: But we've talked you a little bit about it before,

888
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Speaker 1: So I want to try to focus on the pathway forward.

889
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: What do you think what lessons learned, if any, have

890
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 1: Paul Ryan and other members of the House come away

891
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Speaker 1: with now, Uh, they said last week it was they're

892
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Speaker 1: going to move a tax reform. This week it sounds like,

893
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: oh no, we're gonna do healthcare, just gonna take a while. Well,

894
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: what do you think? You know? What does that mean? What?

895
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: What what can we expect from the next round. Honestly,

896
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Speaker 1: I'm not really sure what lesson leadership has learned. I mean,

897
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Speaker 1: I think what you hear leadership saying to a large

898
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Speaker 1: degree is, um, we're trying to we're we're right about everything,

899
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Speaker 1: and what's wrong is that the Freedom Caucus has uh

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Speaker 1: has not really had a constructive view as to what

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Speaker 1: to do, and it's all their fault and we're just

902
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: gonna keep at this and see if the Freedom Caucus

903
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: sees the wisdom of our ways. Um. That's one approach.

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Speaker 1: I think a better approach would be to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: maybe the Freedom Caucus has some things where they might

906
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Speaker 1: be right on, and let's try to let's try to

907
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Speaker 1: let's have the Freedom Caucus put together a proposal, so

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Speaker 1: what they would want want the healthcare that replaced plan

909
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Speaker 1: to look like. And let's see if that's realistic. Maybe

910
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Speaker 1: it's not, maybe it is, but let's have them put

911
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: something together that they can line up by behind and

912
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Speaker 1: say therefore that can attract support from the moderates and

913
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Speaker 1: the people in the middle. Well, and we've heard the

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Speaker 1: President saying that the plan might be and look, this

915
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Speaker 1: is the plan keeps changing, right, and I mean the

916
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Speaker 1: plan for coming up with a healthcare plan keeps changing.

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Speaker 1: He's been saying that maybe we wait and just let

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Speaker 1: people suffer under this and then they'll figure out how

919
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: bad this is. But I've even seen debate happening in

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Speaker 1: different news sites about whether this is even a death spiral.

921
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Speaker 1: Where do you come down on that? Yeah, first of all,

922
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Speaker 1: if if if Truck were right that Obamacare is going

923
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Speaker 1: to explode, I mean, is it responsible as the governing

924
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Speaker 1: party to say, no, we're gonna let people, you know,

925
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Speaker 1: let the let everything explode and they're going to clean up.

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Speaker 1: Think of how many people are going to suffer as

927
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Speaker 1: a result of this law, if you believe that's going

928
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Speaker 1: to happen. So to me, that's not responsible. The responsible

929
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Speaker 1: thing to do is to try to try to reform

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Speaker 1: things before that disaster takes place. Um now, the question

931
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Speaker 1: is is that disaster going to take place? Look, Obimacare

932
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: is complicated, right, It affects different people in different ways.

933
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Speaker 1: If you're really really poor or if you're just above

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Speaker 1: the poverty line, does the subsidies in the law are

935
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Speaker 1: such that you're not You're going to be insulated from

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Speaker 1: those death spirals in those high primus, the people who

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Speaker 1: get screwed under Obamacare are people who are making sixty

938
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Speaker 1: tho dollars a year, who are freelancers or independent contractors

939
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Speaker 1: where not getting employment from their work, and so they

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Speaker 1: have to buy it on the open market, but they

941
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Speaker 1: make too much to qualify for Obamacare subsidies. That group

942
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Speaker 1: of people Obamacare has already been a death spiral is

943
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Speaker 1: going to get worse. But for people who qualify for

944
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Speaker 1: the SUBSIDEI such, they're getting a free ride. Nothing really

945
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Speaker 1: is going to change. So Obamacare is underperforming. It's not

946
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Speaker 1: enrolling as many people as everyone said it would in

947
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Speaker 1: two thousand ten. But for the people who have signed up,

948
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Speaker 1: those people will stay in so it's not going to

949
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Speaker 1: be a death I mean, can they just keep it

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Speaker 1: alive by always saying that there's more? Uh? You know

951
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Speaker 1: that they can just keep it alive by saying the

952
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Speaker 1: subsidies will get bigger, right, I mean that keeps people

953
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Speaker 1: in the exchanges. It's it's more like a zombie spiral

954
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Speaker 1: than a death spiral. It's not like it's completely dead,

955
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: but it's sort of like zombieing along, you know, sort

956
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: of like you know, with the eyes glazed over and

957
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Speaker 1: kind of like walking at you know, one mile an

958
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Speaker 1: hour kind of thing. Gotcha? So all right? Um? And

959
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Speaker 1: by the way, the contention that this really because because

960
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Speaker 1: your point about how it benefits some people and it's

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Speaker 1: it's really rough for others in the individual market specifically,

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Speaker 1: it is it fair to say that this is really

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Speaker 1: the what would be considered the middle class subsidizing healthcare

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Speaker 1: of the aspiring to be in the middle class, or

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Speaker 1: I mean, how how would you define that? What I

966
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Speaker 1: would say is that Obamacare made the middle class and

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Speaker 1: young and healthy, uninsured people pay a lot more for

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Speaker 1: health insurance so that poor people who are older and

969
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Speaker 1: sicker could get a better deal. So you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not just rich versus poor, middle class versus poor, it's

971
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Speaker 1: like middle class and young and healthy versus poor, old

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00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 1: and sick um. But most people are reasonably healthy, most

973
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: people are not sick. So all those healthy people, relatively

974
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: healthy people who aren't in the hospital day in and

975
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Speaker 1: day out, they're they're having to pay a lot more.

976
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: And and it's and it's it's making that that's why

977
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: the law is so flawed, is that there were better

978
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: ways to make health insurance more affordable for those people

979
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: who need it, rather than by making health insurance more

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Speaker 1: expensive for for everybody else. And that's the problem with Obamacare.

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Speaker 1: That's the problem we have to fix. And by the way,

982
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: to fix that problem, we after repeal and reform Obamacare's regulations.

983
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: And this is where the Freedom Caucus has been right.

984
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: And the people who are opposing the Freedom Caucus and

985
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: yelling at them are wrong. And you know, look, the

986
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: Freedom Caucus can be you know, showboaters at time, but

987
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: in this particular situation, they're right. The regulations are the problem,

988
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: and the bill needs to do a lot more than

989
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: it already does to try to roll back those regulations

990
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: to drive up premius for people. All right, Oh, vic

991
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Speaker 1: Roy president of the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunities,

992
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Speaker 1: Forbes opinion editor and author of Transcending Obamacare and How

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Speaker 1: Medicaid Fails the Poor, Olivic, thanks for coming to hang out.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you as always. Thanks buck phone lines

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Speaker 1: are open, team eight four four nine hundred two eight

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Speaker 1: two five. I see that there's some talk on Fox

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00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: right now about sanctuary cities. I have a feeling if

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00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: I were to turn on CNN right now, there would

999
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: be giant blaring headlines, and which obviously you shouldn't do

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00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: because you listen to me on radio, but there would

1001
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: be giant blurring headlines about you know what. I could

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00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: test this out. Actually, let me go and see NN

1003
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Speaker 1: dot com and see if the Michael Flynn thing is.

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00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: I haven't looked at this yet, but oh no, it's

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Speaker 1: not up yet. I guess maybe only because the Wall

1006
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: the look the Wall Street Journal is the one that's

1007
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: reporting on this. So there we have it. Flynn offers

1008
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: to testify in exchange for immunity. UM. Wow, this is

1009
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: get ready for this everyone. Tomorrow you can see a

1010
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: lot more of the Russia stuff is gonna be everywhere. Um,

1011
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: if you have thoughts on this or anything, else do

1012
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: call eight to five. I want to talk to you

1013
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: about immigration and we have a Immigrations and Customs enforcement

1014
00:57:44,040 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: expert joining us. We'll be right back. Stats tell past

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Speaker 1: side by see SIS S Cham Semi stab By prost

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Speaker 1: M S S S H H. Buck Sexton with America.

1017
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: Now are the Freedom Hut is fired up? As Team

1018
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: Buck assembles shoulder to shoulder shields high call in eight

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Speaker 1: four four D Buck. That's eight four four D to

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Speaker 1: eight to five. All right, welcome back. Team. We are

1021
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: joined now by somebody who really understands the ins and

1022
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: outs of what's happening with immigration enforcement in this country.

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01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: Claude Arnold is on the line. He retired as a

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01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: Special Agent in charge for the US Immigration and Customs

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01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: Enforcement Homeland Security Investigations in the Los Angeles, California office,

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01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: who was responsible for all aspects of ICE investigative missions

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles metropolitan area. Claude, thank you very much

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01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: for joining us, My pleasures, Thank you for the invitation.

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Speaker 1: All right, So what is happening right now with regard

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01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: to the enforcement that's going on that's supposed to be

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01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: new and you know, new and stricter. Onto the Trump

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01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: administration First of all, is that really true. We keep

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01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: seeing these reports about oh Ice is doing these uh

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01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: isn't employing new tactics, these dawn raid But then they say, actually,

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01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: it's not that different from before. What's the reality. Yeah,

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01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: the reality is nothing has changed. The only difference is

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01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: that President Trump issued an executive order that returned the

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01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: discretion tow line levels officers and agents to make a

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01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: determination whether or not they're going to arrest someone who's

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01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: here illegally in the country. So before they were restricted,

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01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: the person had to have a certain level of criminality,

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01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: had to be within a certain priority set of priorities.

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01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: Now those priorities are still in practice, are still being followed.

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01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: But if a line level asser agent encounter someone during

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01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: the regular course of their duties who's here illegally, they

1046
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: have the authority returned to them to initiate removal proceedings,

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01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: whereas before it was it was limited. So it really

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01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,479
Speaker 1: just returned things back to the state they were prior

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01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: to the Obama administration as far as raids and such.

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01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: You know that what did Obama changed, by the way,

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01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: so so we can understand how what is normal. What

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Speaker 1: you're telling me is that the Obama enforcement priorities, those

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01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: were in fact abnormal. No, well, there were always enforcement

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01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: priorities because the amount of resources any agency has an

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Speaker 1: ICE in particular, uh limit what you can do. So

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Speaker 1: they only have so much detention space, you know, they

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01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: only have so many agents and officers. So there were

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01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: always priorities that were followed. But ICE agents and officers

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01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: were never told that they couldn't arrest someone or couldn't

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Speaker 1: initiate proceedings against someone who wasn't a priority, because sometimes

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Speaker 1: you want to use that as an enforcement tool to

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Speaker 1: further investigation against a priority or or a criminal organization.

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Speaker 1: So you know, to tell some to tell agence officers, well,

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Speaker 1: you can't arrest someone merely for being here legally because

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Speaker 1: they don't shift the priorities. That really hampers their effectiveness.

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Speaker 1: So you've been you were the special Agent in charge

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Speaker 1: for Immigrations and Customs Enforcement in the Los Angeles, Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles area. People are talking so much about sanctuary cities

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Speaker 1: right now, How does it really work in Los Angeles?

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Speaker 1: And when when we say that's a sanctuary city specifically

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Speaker 1: in the Los Angeles area, what does that mean in

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Speaker 1: terms of incarceration, in terms of cooperation between local law

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Speaker 1: enforce and the federal government. What is the reality? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, the reality is Los Angeles has long had

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Speaker 1: been called a sanctuary city because the police department has

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Speaker 1: this Special Order forty, which basically says that their police

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Speaker 1: officers cannot ask someone about their immigration status, which is

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Speaker 1: no big deal. That has never affected cooperation between the

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Speaker 1: l a p D and ICE and its predecessor, the

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Speaker 1: i n s that that's not a problem. The real

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Speaker 1: problem in the entire state of California is the legislation

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01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: that has been passed by the legislature. Legislature. So you know,

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01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: there's the Trust Act, which passed a few years ago,

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Speaker 1: and now they have the Senate Bill fifty four, which

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01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,919
Speaker 1: is pending. But legislation like that, and we'll talk about

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01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: the Trust Act because it's been passed. Yeah, well, you

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01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 1: gotta tell us what these things mean, because you've got

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01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: people all across the country listening. So we're not in

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01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: California necessarily, so what does that mean? Right? So, so

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Speaker 1: the Trust Act was was a law that was passed

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Speaker 1: by the California legislature that basically tells law enforcement agencies

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01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: the level of criminality someone has to have before they

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01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: can cooperate with an ICE detainer, a detainer being a

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01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: request to assume custody of someone who's in the custody

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Speaker 1: of another California law enforcement agency. So you know, they

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01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: said they had to have they had to be this

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01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: bad of a guy before you can cooperate with ICE

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01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: when they request to be notified when that person is

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Speaker 1: given released. So they're effectively enforcing law enforcement officers. Two,

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Speaker 1: I believe harbor aliens in violation of federal criminal law.

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Speaker 1: So you believe that this is actually a criminal because

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Speaker 1: now we get into now we get into what can

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01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: be done to force compliance from a place like Los

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01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: Angeles or even a state like California, federal government saying

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01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,439
Speaker 1: they may be cutting off funds, and now, of course

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01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: the pushback comes from the sanctuary areas that, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: that's a Tenth Amendment violation, you can't do that. But

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01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:24,879
Speaker 1: I've even heard others, including immigration experts, UH experts, immigration

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01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: law saying that there might be criminal sanctions attached to

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Speaker 1: an unwillingness or rather a desire and a plan to

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01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: help illegal aliens evade justice, that that you could actually

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Speaker 1: be charged for this. This is a problem I believe

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Speaker 1: you could be. And that's what's what's so wrong about

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Speaker 1: these laws, because these types of laws, you're forcing law

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Speaker 1: enforcement officers to break federal criminal law. Now, recently several

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01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: mayors of sanctuary cities l A, New York and others said, well,

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Speaker 1: we can't be our funding can't be taken away because

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01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,879
Speaker 1: we're not in the law. But you know, they focus

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01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: on the civil law nobody. They're conveniently ignoring the criminal

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Speaker 1: statute for harboring aliens. And what that statute says is

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01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 1: that anyone knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact

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01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in

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Speaker 1: the United States in violation of law, who conceals harbors

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Speaker 1: or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal harbor shields

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Speaker 1: from detection, that alien is harboring an alien. And that's

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Speaker 1: a felony. This is fascinating because it has been so

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01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: focused up to this point on what would be a

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01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: a civil law dispute between local and state authorities and

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Speaker 1: the federal government over funds and the withholding of specifically

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Speaker 1: law enforcement funds for those areas and jurisdictions that don't

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01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:46,759
Speaker 1: comply with detained requests and don't comply with the federal

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01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: law back in what was the pass of nineties six

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01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: that says that you have to tell the federal government

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01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 1: about an a legal alien in your custody. You're saying

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01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: that police officers that are obeying state law that says

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01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: that you have to be at this level for a

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01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:05,640
Speaker 1: detainer requests from the federal government to be honored. That

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Speaker 1: that is a violation of a criminal statute about harboring allien.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is fascinating. Nobody that I hear, except

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Speaker 1: a few examples of like folks in the Center Immigration

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01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 1: Studies make that case openly. But I'm sure you're an

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01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: ice agent. That must be the I mean, that is

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Speaker 1: the law, That's what it says. Yeah, look, I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you if I was still the special Agent in charge,

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01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: uh and uh. And I think with the farm you know,

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01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: you don't want to go around prosecuting your your law

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01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 1: enforcement partners. But at a higher level in government, you know,

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01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,560
Speaker 1: for the Attorney general, this should be made known to

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01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 1: these jurisdictions. And more importantly, I would like to know

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01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: how the police unions feel about that that their line

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01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: level officers are being forced by laws and policies like

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01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: this to break federal law. No law enforcement offers. They

1153
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: want to enforce the law, not break it. And I'm

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01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: pretty sure that if it's not already come to the

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01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: attention of the police unions and their legal counsel that

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01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 1: if it were, you know that they might be pushing

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01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 1: back on these types of laws and policies. And the

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01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: way it works in practice or everybody listening can understand

1159
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: is if there may be somebody who's in custody in

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01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and the l A p D knows that

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01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: this person is in the country illegally, l A will

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01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: tell the federal government. But unless unless they meet a

1163
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: certain criminal threshold, they'll tell the federal government and then

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01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: let the person go before the federal government can come

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Speaker 1: and get them. That's the detainer request portion of this

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01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: is that right, well, exactly, so ice give them a

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01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: detainer request and oftentimes they'll be a box checked on

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01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: that that saying says the person is here illegally. You know. Therefore,

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01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 1: now they have knowledge that that person is here illegally,

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Speaker 1: and we want to assume custody of this person, but

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Speaker 1: that person does not meet the criteria set out by

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Speaker 1: the Trust Act for notification. Ice. So Ice even says,

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01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: you don't have to hold them any longer than you

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01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: normally would, just let us know when they're gonna be released,

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01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: will be there to pick them up. But because the

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01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: Trust Act doesn't consider this person a priority in their view,

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Speaker 1: in the laws of view of that Oh, so they

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Speaker 1: won't even notify there that's a very important right. And

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Speaker 1: because that's that's clearly in violation of the federal law

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01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 1: that I mentioned before that says they have to they

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01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,759
Speaker 1: have to let the federal government know. They can't impede

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Speaker 1: or in any way stop the federal government from knowing

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01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: the immigration status. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, exactly. So, I

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01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,839
Speaker 1: mean they're in violation of a duly pass congressional statute

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01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: about notification. Uh. And they may be in violation of

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01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: a criminal a criminal statutes about harboring illegal aliens. Uh.

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Speaker 1: What do you what do you think should be done now? Claude,

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01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: if I may ask me you you served in this

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01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: capacity for immigrations and customs enforcement, what would be a

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Speaker 1: sensible approach for this new administration to deal with the

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01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 1: legal immigration enforcement specifically? Well, you know, there was a

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Speaker 1: similar situation under a Bush the Younger's administration, where the

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Speaker 1: State of California with juvenile kids who are adjudicated as

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01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:14,600
Speaker 1: delinquent after serving their sentence. The State of California was

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Speaker 1: in order to avoid them having a formal deportation. They

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01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: were actually these are Central American kids, some of them

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Speaker 1: gang members, etcetera. They are transporting them to put them

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Speaker 1: on a flight to their country, so helping them to

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Speaker 1: leave the country m of their own accord, to avoid

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Speaker 1: being formally be put in the formal deportation proceedings and

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Speaker 1: have have a formal removal order. And what happened was

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01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 1: they got interdicted by some ICE agents at the Houston Airport,

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01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: and the U S Attorney for the Northern District of California,

1204
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 1: who of course was a Republican appointed it was under

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01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: the Bush administration, wrote a letter to the State of

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Speaker 1: California saying, hey, look, you're transporting aliens in violation of

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Speaker 1: federal criminal law. It's a felony, ceasing to esk or

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01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: all convene the grand jury. And guess what the State

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01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: of California stopped. Um, you know, so, I think if

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Speaker 1: if the Attorney General or or one of the U

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01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: S attorneys in these jurisdictions were to give the legal

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01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: opinion and to let them know that, hey, this is

1213
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: in violation of law. I think people, would you know,

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01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 1: change your practice now in Californias a be different because

1215
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: now it's a state law. So you know, I don't

1216
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: know how you undo the state law, and I don't

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01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: know that there's the will to do that. It seems

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01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: to be an environment of of UM resist immigration enforcement

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01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: at all costs in the state of California. Last one

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01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 1: for your claud before we'll let you go. UM. There

1221
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:44,799
Speaker 1: have been two different narratives about the Obama administration on enforcement.

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01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,560
Speaker 1: People used to refer to him as the as the

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01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: deporter in chief, and then it became clear in a

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01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 1: later part of his administration that a lot of the

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01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: way that they were counting those crossing the border, a

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01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: lot of the metrics they were using to get a

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01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,799
Speaker 1: sense of border security, we're being um man apulated investment

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Speaker 1: to make it look like there was more strict enforcement.

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Speaker 1: What was really true. I mean, did did the obaministration,

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Speaker 1: particularly in the second term, have a hands off policy

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01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,560
Speaker 1: towards the legal immigrants or were they really deporting a

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01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 1: lot of people. Well, they were definitely deporting a lot

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Speaker 1: of people. But you know, you see with policies like

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01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: DOCCA and this prosecutorial discretion where they limited the discretion

1235
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Speaker 1: of agents and officers. Uh, and you know, there was

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01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 1: a lot of de prioritization as immigration enforcement. So it

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01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: was almost like a systematic dismantlement of the immigration enforcement

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01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: um uh infrastructure. So so how they dismantled, Just tell

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01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 1: me that, give me those details. Well, but that's what

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01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying by by limiting the discretion of agents and

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01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: officers and and inst tune things like DOCCA where took

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01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 1: many people no longer, you know, giving them some sort

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Speaker 1: of status so they couldn't be removed, I mean, clearly,

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Speaker 1: and amigration enforcement the administration, and you look at the

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01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: State of California, it's as I said, if this had

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Speaker 1: happened and a similar situation did happen under the Bush administration,

1247
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 1: immediately the Department of Justice called the State of California

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01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 1: to task for doing something that they found in violation

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01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,560
Speaker 1: of federal law. But I believe that the State of

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01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: California felt they could pass laws like the Trust Act

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01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: because they knew that they were not going to get

1252
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: resistance from the Obama administration because philosophically they both agreed

1253
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 1: on immigration. Claude Arnold is retired as a Special Agent

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01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: in charge for US Immigration and Customs Enforcement in the

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Office. Claude really appreciate you making the time.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us today. Yeah, my pleasure. All right,

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Speaker 1: talk soon, Welcome back, team. I am looking at all

1258
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: this new information that's coming in. It's it's happening right

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Speaker 1: now as I'm on air about General Flynn and the

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01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: report not yet confirmed that he will be testifying under

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01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: oath on Well, let me assume Russia Trump elections stuff

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Speaker 1: of some in some capacity. This is a day, a

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Speaker 1: day when a number of things have gone against the

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01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 1: administration on this one, and the the folks, the anti trumpers,

1265
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: the Trump haters out there are gonna have a lot

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01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 1: to run with tomorrow. Just be prepared for that. I

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01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:38,799
Speaker 1: see here that Eli Lake, who is a very solid

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01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: national security journalist, is not the least bit happy. Understandably

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Speaker 1: so with Devin noonez hey at least everybody I'm getting

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01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: his getting his name right today Neunez as opposed to

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Speaker 1: noon Yez. I'm told it is in fact, Nounez h

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Speaker 1: so laate Okay, who was one of the ones that

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Speaker 1: that was reporting that earlier this week. Remember the sources

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Speaker 1: that that Neunez had or the people that he met

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Speaker 1: with when he looked at the information that he gave

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Speaker 1: that press conference on last week. The sources initially were

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Speaker 1: told to Eli Lake by by Nunez. He said that

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Speaker 1: they were from an intelligence official, not a White House staffer.

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Speaker 1: This is what Lake, who has by the way, been

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Speaker 1: willing to call out police state tactics of the Democrats

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Speaker 1: against Trump and those he used the term police state tactics.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's not some Trump hater. Everybody. Here's what

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Speaker 1: he wrote. Turned about Nunez. It turns out he misled me.

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Speaker 1: The New York Times reported Thursday that Nonez had two

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Speaker 1: sources and both worked for the White House. This distinction

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Speaker 1: is important because it raises questions about the independence of

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Speaker 1: the congressional investigation Nunez is leading, which may lead to

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Speaker 1: officials at the White House. Nunez is leading a double

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Speaker 1: investigation of sorts. His committee is probing ties between the

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Speaker 1: Trump campaign and Russia's influence against the election. It's also

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Speaker 1: looking into other Barack Obama's White House inappropriately spied on

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Speaker 1: Trump's transition. Um. He says. The chairman told me Thursday

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Speaker 1: the elements of the time story were inaccurate, but he

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Speaker 1: acknowledged I did use the White House to help confirm

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Speaker 1: what I already knew from other sources. This is a

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Speaker 1: body blow for Newnez, who presented his findings last week

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Speaker 1: as if they were surprising to the White House. He

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Speaker 1: briefed Trump after holding a press conference on Capitol Hill,

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Speaker 1: and as he was leaving the White House he made

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Speaker 1: sure to address the press again. But this was a show.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, Um, I am I am processing this one

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01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: team as as a lot of this information now is

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01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 1: coming in. As I said to you before, breaking news

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01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 1: while we were here on air report from the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal that Flynn will be testifying. I'm seeing my

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Speaker 1: friend Andy McCarthy, who's a regular guest on this show, UM,

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01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 1: already writing about how this is likely not about an

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01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 1: avoidance of a perjury trap. UM. I'll see if I

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01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: get Andy to respond here. I reached out to him

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01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: a second ago. I'm curious to see what he thinks

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01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: about I asked him straight up, what do you think

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01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,600
Speaker 1: he's a former federal prosecutor. He gets this side of it,

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01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: like like as well as anybody. What's the most damning

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01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: explanation for Flynn? What's the least damning explanation for Flynn?

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01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: If this is true, which I think it is, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Um, I am Uh. We're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to work on this in a lot

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Speaker 1: of the tief. I gonna we're gonna switch topics by

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01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: the way coming up or not. Not because I don't

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01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 1: want to talk with us anymore. But I think we've

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01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: done the subject matter enough. It's not I swear I'm

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01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: not trying to throw a smoke bomb like Batman, and

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01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: you know I'm Batman and get out of here quickly

1324
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 1: on that subject. I just uh yeah, I gotta keep

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01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 1: looking at us and figure out what is going on.

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01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 1: I have to tell you White House is doing a

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01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 1: terrible job of messaging on this one right now. Uh,

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01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: And noonez you know you lie to journalists who are

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01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: are being fair to Trump overall, like Eli La not

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01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: good bug Sexton with America. Now, the Freedom Hut is

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01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 1: fired up as Team buck assembles shouldered his shoulder shields

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01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 1: high call in eight four four bucks. That's eight four

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Speaker 1: four to eight to five. All right, team, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you about I mentioned this

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Speaker 1: I think at the start of the show. Um, and

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Speaker 1: there's this battle over bathrooms continuing continuing right now. Uh,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina. You, I'm sure we'll recall, had a quite

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Speaker 1: at or after what was after the passage of House

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01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 1: Bill Too now House Bill to included as part of it,

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01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 1: and there were also more general uh lb g T

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Speaker 1: protections in the bill, the one that got all the

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Speaker 1: attention to the reason it was called the bathroom bill

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01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 1: because that it stated that somebody could use the gender

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, use the bathroom of their gender identity not

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01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 1: there well right, not their sex. I guess is how

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01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:37,679
Speaker 1: we're supposed to separate these two things that aren't really separable,

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01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 1: But that's what we are told now. By the way, increasingly,

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Speaker 1: and this is what I wanted to talk to you about.

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01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: This is very uh, this is disconcerting, this is troublesome. Increasingly,

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01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 1: we're not even going to be allowed to make these

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Speaker 1: distinctions as a matter of law. I think just give

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01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:58,959
Speaker 1: it some time. You will be putting yourself in legal jeopardy.

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01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 1: For refuse thing to say that a man is a

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Speaker 1: is a female or female is a male. You will

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01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:11,719
Speaker 1: be subject to um, you will be subject to certainly

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Speaker 1: civil sanctions and and I don't think we'll get to

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01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 1: the point where that will be criminal. But we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about what's going on in Canada in just a second.

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Speaker 1: We'll get there. So House Bill two was passed, and

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Speaker 1: then as a result of that, the governor was defeated.

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Speaker 1: It's believed in large part it was very narrow, very

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Speaker 1: tight race this past fall. The governor was defeated because

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Speaker 1: of his support for our signing House Bill too. And

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Speaker 1: the Associated Press released an analysis that because of all

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Speaker 1: of the businesses out there that we're h outraged by

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01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:55,679
Speaker 1: the eleventh hour act of the Obama administration to uh well,

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Speaker 1: the administration gave the guidance on gender and bathroom usage

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Speaker 1: for schools. This was the North Carolina legislature, but the

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Speaker 1: environment had shifted as a result of administration policy. In part,

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Speaker 1: I believe and these private institutions were absolutely outraged about

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Speaker 1: this whole situation right that that there could be that

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01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: you would be told if you're a man, you got

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Speaker 1: to use the men's room, and if you're a woman,

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Speaker 1: you got to use the ladies room. That's it. That's

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Speaker 1: what this bill was saying. Based on your birth certificate.

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Speaker 1: The gender on your birth certificate is your gender. This

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01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 1: is not a complicated issue, but it becomes very complicated

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01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 1: because of the politics. It is made to be complicated

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01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 1: when it is in fact quite straightforward. So the House

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Speaker 1: bill would have cost North Carolina as a state three

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Speaker 1: point seven billion dollars in lost business over the next

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Speaker 1: twelve years. According to an Associated Press analysis, you have

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01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 1: the n C double A saying they were going to

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Speaker 1: refuse to hold that. What the I don't watch college basketball.

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01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,839
Speaker 1: I don't really watch much in the letter of televised

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01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 1: sports in general. I know, it's like I'm barely American.

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01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: I watched some NFL and occasionally basketball, not a whole

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01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 1: lot more. I mostly just mostly just nerd out to

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01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 1: politics and history books. Just how just how I roll, team,

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01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 1: It's just how I roll. So the Associated Press put

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Speaker 1: out that analysis. There clearly was real financial pressure on

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Speaker 1: North Carolina. Here. You know this new governor and they've

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01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 1: he just signed it. Today. He repealed House Bill too,

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01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 1: which would, according to New York Times, you create a

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01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:44,440
Speaker 1: moratorium on local non discrimination ordinances through and leave regulation

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01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 1: of bathrooms to state lawmakers. So they're saying, here is

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Speaker 1: that you know, it's going to be left up to

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Speaker 1: the state. You can't have local non discriminate, you know,

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01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: because you could have this patchwork of well it's what's

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01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:57,759
Speaker 1: okay here is not okay here within the same state.

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01:25:58,360 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 1: And they're like, it has to be done at the

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01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: state level, and you can't do anything on a local

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01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 1: level for municipality on this issue through. So they're kind

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01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 1: of pushing this off and kicking this can down the

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01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: road a little bit. Uh associated press Okay, I totally

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01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 1: about that analysis. So a lot of people up in arms,

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01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: of course about this on on both sides. Now you've

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01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,560
Speaker 1: got the people saying, oh, it's also horrible and discriminatory

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01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 1: and these Remember now, the way we're supposed to view

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01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: all this is that what had been the case in

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Speaker 1: this country for in the last I mean forget the

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01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 1: last couple hundred years, right, because people would sy, oh, well,

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01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 1: look at what was legal in this country, you know

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01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 1: a hundred years ago, a hundred fifty years ago. Fine,

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01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 1: but what until about five minutes ago was considered quite

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01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:52,879
Speaker 1: normal um separation of genders in certain circumstances that involve,

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01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, nudity or bathroom usage, So in the locker

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01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 1: rooms or in in bathrooms. Uh, that was considered just fine,

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01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 1: and now it's now it is open to much broader

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01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 1: interpretation and gender identity. If it is something that a

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01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 1: person just thinks, if it's based on belief, I don't

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01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 1: see how you could legally challenge I don't think. I

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01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 1: don't see how you could legally challenge somebody who decides that,

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01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 1: you know, they're gonna go into the ladies room for

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01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,639
Speaker 1: the day. I don't know what is it. It's based

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01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 1: on physical appearance, so that if you have and I

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01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,600
Speaker 1: mean this honestly, because this is there's no real criteria

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01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 1: for this at all. You will have progressive scoff and

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01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 1: and yell at you for raising these kinds of questions.

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01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: But what's what's the criteria for being a a officially

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01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: transgender Do you have to have a psychiatrist sign off on?

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01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be you have to be taking

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01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 1: hormone therapy. I really mean this, and I should know

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01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: that we've been trying to get an m D who

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Speaker 1: has a background and next fertise even gender reassignment surgery,

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01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 1: which I believe what is formally called. It's very hard

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01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 1: because they all realize these people, all these are when

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01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:10,719
Speaker 1: you look for an m D. You're talking about somebody

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01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: went to school for a long time. They all recognize

1440
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 1: that getting involved in this issue is just a giant

1441
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 1: political headache for them. There is no there's no win, right,

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01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 1: It's it's just they're gonna upset people. And I'm sure

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01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 1: a lot of them just want to practice medicine and

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01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: help people and not be a political football. But I

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01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 1: would really want to know. I'd like to have a

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01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 1: doctor on the show at some point to tell me

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01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 1: what the real limitations of gender assignment surgery are, both

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01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 1: in terms of the outcome, the expected outcome, How often

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01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 1: does it lead to success? Uh? What what is? What

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01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 1: is success? By the I don't know, And I'm not

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01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 1: trying to get into a a weird, weird area here,

1452
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 1: but I don't even know what they how far down

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01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,719
Speaker 1: the pathway of the surgery, like how much can change?

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01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 1: And I don't know. It's not something I've spent a

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01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 1: lot of time research. I gonna be honest with you,

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01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 1: so but if you do want I want to get

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01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: an MBA. I'd like to get an expert on to

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01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 1: let us know how how that process go. I mean,

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01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:19,919
Speaker 1: there's the one uh M d from Johns Hopkins University

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01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: Hospital who was head of gender reassignment surgery before belief

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01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 1: for a long time. He has written the Wall Street

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01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 1: Journal and he said, look, it's it's a really bad

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01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: procedure in terms of outcomes, and he thought it shouldn't

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01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 1: be done anymore and that it was uh basically according

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01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 1: to him, giving into or or um, giving into a

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01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 1: form of mental illness more or less. But you were

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01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 1: and there are other and people bring up these other

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01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 1: psychological disorders that that are real, that do exist. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember that the uh the technical name

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01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 1: of it. And U Amy if you if you figure

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01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 1: it out while I'm on air here, let me know.

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01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 1: It's where are you? You believe that a a limb

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01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 1: is not really a part of your body and should

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01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 1: be removed and people can believe this with they They

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01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 1: will sit down with psychiatrists and they will say they

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01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:23,760
Speaker 1: absolutely should remove my arm. I I don't believe my

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01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 1: arms and I know this. This sounds like I'm making

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01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 1: it up. There is a it's not body dysmorphic disorder.

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01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 1: I don't think it's something, but it's something along those

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01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 1: It's um, I'm forgetting the term. I will find out.

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01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 1: I'll find out certainly in the next break. Sorry, I

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01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 1: can't google LAMA on air because then you're hearing me typing.

1483
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 1: I'll be looking for it. But that's a real condition

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01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 1: that exists, a medical condition where somebody wants to have

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01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 1: a limb removed, or they or they want their back

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Speaker 1: to be broken so they can't walk or I mean,

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01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: there's any number of ways it manifests itself, and clearly

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01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 1: medicine would be uh. Doctors would be violating the Hipocratic oath,

1489
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:05,480
Speaker 1: and it would be highly unethical for them to indulge

1490
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 1: that mental illness. They should obviously treat those people and

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01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: help them, but not in the way that they want

1492
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 1: to be helped. Uh. This is where we get into

1493
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 1: the transgender issue. But the law is already moving. I mean,

1494
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 1: the progressives have moved very far ahead on this one.

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01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 1: And not only are you now a bigot if you

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Speaker 1: believe that, and then I love it goes back and

1497
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 1: forth when you bring it up, they go, oh what

1498
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 1: what difference. Does it really make if if a man

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01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: goes to the women's restaurant, he could do that now anyway? Well,

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Speaker 1: then why is this such a big fight if it

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01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 1: doesn't matter? Why does it matter? Right? What? Why are

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01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 1: we forced to talk? By the way, this wasn't a

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01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 1: an argument that conservatives are the right pick. We weren't

1504
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 1: walking around saying, you know, let's let's really get into

1505
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 1: a big debate about transgender rights. Progressives picked this whole fight,

1506
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 1: and the moment you start to walk them down the

1507
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 1: pathway of okay, what does this really mean? In practice,

1508
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:00,599
Speaker 1: the pushback is always oh, well, well you're a bigot,

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01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 1: or oh what's the big deal? Well they can't play

1510
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: that game. It can't be a civil rights issue. But oh,

1511
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 1: in practice it doesn't really matter. You can't stop people

1512
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 1: from going to the bathroom any What are you gonna do?

1513
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 1: Call the police? I see this, I see these arguments

1514
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 1: being made, and of course it does have real ramifications

1515
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:20,640
Speaker 1: for policy at private institutions and schools and clubs in

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01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 1: any number of places. So, um, I want to tell

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01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:26,680
Speaker 1: you how this is going up in Canada, and we'll

1518
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 1: talk about a social justice protests, social justice whimp protest

1519
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 1: up there that got completely out of hand with a

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01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: professor who speaks on this issue, UH specifically in Canada.

1521
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 1: What's going on is they're trying to pass a a

1522
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: bill um that or I believe they have actually passed

1523
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 1: it that would criminalize usage of the wrong pronoun for

1524
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 1: transgender individuals. I kid you, not my friends, So now

1525
01:32:56,240 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 1: you better call he z as in X if he

1526
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:04,799
Speaker 1: chooses that pronoun or else you could be in trouble.

1527
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:09,640
Speaker 1: It's like a well, not a hate crime, but it's discrimination.

1528
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 1: It falls under federal discrimination. We'll get into this and

1529
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 1: I'll play some audio for you. Remember this is just

1530
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:16,679
Speaker 1: up in Canada, a few steps ahead of the progressives

1531
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 1: in this country on this one, and Trudeau signed this

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01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 1: bill into law up there. I'll give you the details

1533
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: when we come back. So up at this was a

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01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 1: few days ago up at Canada's McMaster University. There was

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01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 1: a big, big demonstration, a clash between those who want

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01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: to talk about free speech and those who are transgender

1537
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 1: rights activists. And this is all in response to a

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01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 1: law in Canada, Bill C sixteen, that says that individuals

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01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 1: must use the preferred pronouns of gender non binary people

1540
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:02,000
Speaker 1: or be faced with prosecution. This was for real clear politics.

1541
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 1: Uh this you can imagine what this was like. I mean,

1542
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 1: first off, you've got Peterson who's talking that this Professor

1543
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 1: Peterson is up there, he's trying to speak and he's

1544
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 1: got all the stuff going on that you can imagine.

1545
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:18,839
Speaker 1: They're blowing air horns in his face, they threw glitter

1546
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 1: on him and just acting like a bunch of little maniacs.

1547
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 1: And here's how it here's how some of it went.

1548
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 1: It's best to let the unreasonable oppositions speak because they

1549
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 1: manifest themselves as unreasonable and then everyone can see it.

1550
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 1: So that's part of the reason that you want free speech, right,

1551
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 1: he's saying, it's good in a sense that there's this

1552
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 1: effort to shut him down at McMaster University because you

1553
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 1: see these these imbeciles running around acting like little vandals

1554
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 1: and refusing to hear anyone say anything about anything that

1555
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 1: they don't like, and they're chanting. We had to be

1556
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 1: carefully because there were there were so much at these

1557
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:04,680
Speaker 1: protests too. It would never have occurred to me when

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01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 1: I was a college student, and I mean, you know,

1559
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 1: I went to a speech by Al Sharpton. He was

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01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 1: invited on our campus and the whole school went basically,

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01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:13,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it would have never occurred to

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01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:17,680
Speaker 1: me to shout profanity at a speaker. I just it's

1563
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 1: just it's I don't know, this is gonna It's just rude.

1564
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 1: It is rude. That's what you one would call it.

1565
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 1: It is rude. And yet conservative speakers are subject to

1566
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 1: all kinds of horrific verbal and sometimes physical abuses. We

1567
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:38,640
Speaker 1: talked about with Charles Murray up at Middlebury. But Professor Peterson,

1568
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 1: who were we have just you know, we've reached out.

1569
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 1: We'd like to have him on the show. Hopefully we'll

1570
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:43,679
Speaker 1: get him on the next few days. We just reached

1571
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 1: out today. He talked a bit about what this legislation,

1572
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 1: what the what is that the heart of the matter.

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01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:50,639
Speaker 1: Why is he up there at this university in Canada.

1574
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:53,639
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, we're having our own transgender rights fight

1575
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 1: right now in North Carolina across the country with the

1576
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 1: federal government. It is happening in this country too. Canada

1577
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:04,679
Speaker 1: is just a few steps ahead. Canada has Trudeau, who

1578
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 1: you know, makes Bernie Sanders look reasonable on many policy matters.

1579
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:12,640
Speaker 1: Uh so they're even further down the line. But this

1580
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,719
Speaker 1: is what's coming our way. And here's here's his professor Peterson,

1581
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 1: after he's been shouted down. He wasn't able to get

1582
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 1: the speech. He has to go outside and they're taping

1583
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 1: him speaking outside to a small group of students that

1584
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 1: will actually listen because they they they literally prevented his

1585
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 1: speech inside the auditorium. But here's what he says. Clip twelve.

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Speaker 1: It's the first piece of Canadian legislation that's ever been

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01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 1: put forward that actually requires people to use a particular

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01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 1: set of words. Now, there is other legislation that does

1589
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 1: govern to some degree what you can't say, so, for example,

1590
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 1: you can't incite a crime, and that's perfectly logical, it's

1591
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 1: a reasonable restriction on free speech. But we've never had

1592
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,640
Speaker 1: a piece of legislation ever that would require you to

1593
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:56,600
Speaker 1: use a certain kind of vocabulary, and regardless of what

1594
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: the populary is, and the fact that it happens to

1595
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 1: be about transgender terminology hypothetically is almost beside the point

1596
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned. It's all focused on it's

1597
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 1: all focused on this particular issue, and it had to

1598
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 1: focus on some issue, But this isn't the issue that

1599
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 1: that's that's at the bottom of it. It's just that

1600
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 1: complex things manifest themselves in very particular locations, and this

1601
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 1: just happens to be the location that this is manifesting

1602
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 1: itself here. And finally, you can see too that the

1603
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:30,480
Speaker 1: vast majority of people, for example, men who are biologically

1604
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,599
Speaker 1: male who present themselves as male or who identify as

1605
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:36,839
Speaker 1: male who present themselves at mail are also hetero sexual

1606
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:42,200
Speaker 1: perhaps of the terry. I just had a question. I

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01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 1: believe it was explicitly stated to you that those topics

1608
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 1: you'm gondn't want to hear your views on free speech,

1609
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:50,639
Speaker 1: but we don't want to hear your views on judge

1610
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 1: rights to get stuff. I thought it was like, so

1611
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:58,680
Speaker 1: so here here that that's a college student who's outside

1612
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 1: of a I thought this really got to the center

1613
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:03,600
Speaker 1: of the point here. That's a college student who is

1614
01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 1: outside of an auditorium that has been overrun by progressive

1615
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 1: maniac social justice warriors with horns and posters and yelling

1616
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 1: curses at I mean, all this stuff, and she sits

1617
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 1: there and it's just so just so proper with her

1618
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:27,760
Speaker 1: little social justice warrior self righteousness is sir. It was

1619
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 1: made clear to we want to hear your views on

1620
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 1: free speech, but not on this issue. Says this with

1621
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 1: no trace of irony, says this with absolutely you know,

1622
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 1: just like like she's speaking gospel here. Oh, we want

1623
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 1: to hear your views on free speech, just not on

1624
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 1: that free speech. This is a real problem everyone. This

1625
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:52,280
Speaker 1: isn't something that we can ignore. And I know we're

1626
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:54,720
Speaker 1: talking about Canada, not America, but do you think this

1627
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 1: is really this is any different than what you get

1628
01:38:57,200 --> 01:38:59,639
Speaker 1: on college campuses. Of course not. It's worse here. Sometimes

1629
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:03,639
Speaker 1: the difference is that with Canada, the legislature is taking

1630
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 1: this step where you know, have to use the preferred

1631
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 1: the preferred pronoun under Canadian law of people who are

1632
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:16,559
Speaker 1: non gender binary. There are dozens, literally dozens of different

1633
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 1: versions of gender nomenclature that the progressives have come up

1634
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 1: with recently, Z and call me they and you know,

1635
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 1: you know whatever, all these I can't I don't even know.

1636
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:28,760
Speaker 1: I know Z is one. I'm x C. But there's

1637
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 1: other versions of this too. And now if you refuse

1638
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:33,960
Speaker 1: to do that. So in the past, for example, I

1639
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:35,600
Speaker 1: was willing to say, you know, I would never be

1640
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:38,400
Speaker 1: unkind to a transgender person I know some transgender people,

1641
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 1: and in fact have some transgender listeners to my radio show,

1642
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 1: and they are welcome and I appreciate that they give

1643
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 1: me their time. That all said, I do have an

1644
01:39:48,439 --> 01:39:50,720
Speaker 1: issue with being told that somebody who is biologically male

1645
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 1: I have to refer to as she because he says

1646
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 1: so in person. I just I don't want to be

1647
01:39:56,320 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 1: a party to falsehood, because where does that stop if

1648
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:02,680
Speaker 1: somebody If someone grew up as Bob and changes his

1649
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:04,600
Speaker 1: name to Susan, I'll call him Susan. You can you

1650
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 1: can change your name, but you actually can't change your gender.

1651
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 1: And science is on my side on this. You can't

1652
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:14,639
Speaker 1: change your gender. And a pronoun is not a personal

1653
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 1: preference thing. It is actually a a response to a

1654
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:22,519
Speaker 1: fact um. But you're not going to be allowed to

1655
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 1: make that distinction anymore, at least in Canada. How long

1656
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:27,880
Speaker 1: do you think before they try to push this through

1657
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:30,520
Speaker 1: in this country? Maybe not right now unto the Trump administration,

1658
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:34,519
Speaker 1: but just give it some time. Uh. There will be

1659
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 1: state legislatures in places like California and elsewhere. I'm sure

1660
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,640
Speaker 1: that we're pushing this issue, and they'll then turn to

1661
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:44,600
Speaker 1: the courts to uphold their interpretation of it um, and

1662
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:46,120
Speaker 1: I didn't even get time to get into how this

1663
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 1: professor actually had an excellent discourse on how this is

1664
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:53,599
Speaker 1: all about postmodernism and Marxism. Actually the destruction of gender

1665
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 1: is a postmodernist Marxist effort. But we'll have to talk

1666
01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:00,720
Speaker 1: more about postmodernism and Marxism tomorrow are because we got

1667
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 1: we gotta talk about VP Pence. Welcome back to the

1668
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:08,880
Speaker 1: Freedom Hut on an island of liberty where you're the

1669
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 1: party and it's full of fellow patriots. Buck Sexton kicks

1670
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 1: it off. I just wanted to follow up with what

1671
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:20,200
Speaker 1: I was saying before everybody. It is body integrity identity

1672
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 1: disorder b I I D that I was referencing. That

1673
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 1: is the condition where somebody wants a healthy limb to

1674
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:31,840
Speaker 1: be removed or to have other terrible injuries inflicted upon

1675
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 1: them because they they these are otherwise people of sound mind,

1676
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:38,920
Speaker 1: but they believe that this needs to be done and

1677
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 1: they want a doctor to do it for them. And

1678
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:43,519
Speaker 1: it's a real medical condition. Should we you know? Is

1679
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 1: that up? Is that subject to interpretation? Should of course not?

1680
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 1: But no one wants to talk about that right now?

1681
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:50,839
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to our guest who's been patiently

1682
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 1: waiting for us, Matt Wall. She is an author at

1683
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 1: The Blaze. He's also the creator and author of the

1684
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:59,320
Speaker 1: Matt Walsh Blog or Matt Walsh blog dot com for

1685
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:03,720
Speaker 1: that and his new book, Unholy Trinity is out now. Matt.

1686
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 1: Great to have you, Matt. I know I didn't get

1687
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 1: a chance to ask you order to send this over,

1688
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:11,439
Speaker 1: so I don't even know if you've seen it yet,

1689
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:14,080
Speaker 1: But any any thoughts at all on the report that

1690
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:19,000
Speaker 1: General Flynn maybe getting immunity to testify about Trump Russia

1691
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:22,880
Speaker 1: all that stuff, all right, to be holy? I hadn't

1692
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 1: seen that, but I guess I I uh it literally

1693
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:28,759
Speaker 1: it just broken the last hours. I So I'm springing

1694
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:30,920
Speaker 1: this on you anyway, if you if you have any

1695
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:32,760
Speaker 1: thoughts on it as we go through, by all means,

1696
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 1: jump back in with it. I was just wondering because

1697
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sitting here thinking myself. Even if nothing comes

1698
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:39,080
Speaker 1: out of it, it just looks it just looks bad,

1699
01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 1: even if it's not as bad if you want to

1700
01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:42,559
Speaker 1: make it out to be. But all right, let's talk

1701
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 1: about something. I know you've got a lot of thoughts

1702
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 1: on because you were involved in quite the social media

1703
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:50,479
Speaker 1: exchange and I didn't think that you It's not like

1704
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:53,320
Speaker 1: you were you know, lighting uh lighting fires on purpose.

1705
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:55,559
Speaker 1: Here you just said, what's the big deal with Penn

1706
01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 1: saying vice president of Pence For those who don't know, Actually, Matt,

1707
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:01,960
Speaker 1: you tell the story what happened? So the Pence rules

1708
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 1: were what and then what did you do? Yeah? Um,

1709
01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 1: I guess his wife was interviewed by some publication and

1710
01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 1: said that uh and mentioned that, you know, one way

1711
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:13,040
Speaker 1: they keep their marriage strong and they fortified things protected

1712
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 1: is that that they don't uh go for meals one

1713
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:18,920
Speaker 1: on one with members of the opposite sex, excluding family

1714
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:21,880
Speaker 1: members presumably, and they don't drink, you know, they don't

1715
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:23,640
Speaker 1: go around the next company and trains most of the

1716
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:27,680
Speaker 1: most spouses that um and the media saw this is

1717
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:30,519
Speaker 1: breaking headline news, you know. It's it's like the absence

1718
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:33,519
Speaker 1: of a sex scandal is itself a scandal apparently, And

1719
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 1: then people are taking to social media to cackling about it,

1720
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:39,160
Speaker 1: like Hyena is making fun of Mike Pence actually respecting

1721
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:41,160
Speaker 1: his life. And I just fet it toughly on Twitter

1722
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 1: last night, where I said, you know, I understand was

1723
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:45,400
Speaker 1: coming from my wife and I have a similar policy,

1724
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:48,760
Speaker 1: and I simply asked, what would be the scenario where

1725
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:50,559
Speaker 1: a married man would have to go for a one

1726
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 1: on one dinner date with a woman that's not his wife. Uh,

1727
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:55,479
Speaker 1: you know, what's the appropriate scenario for them? Then may

1728
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:57,760
Speaker 1: be inappropriate. I just was wondering what that could possibly be.

1729
01:43:58,240 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 1: I go to bed, I wake up in the morning,

1730
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 1: I find out that I'm like trending on Twitter and

1731
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:04,800
Speaker 1: thousands of people outrage by what I said, and this

1732
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:09,160
Speaker 1: one I'm just honestly flamoring. I don't get it. I honestly,

1733
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:11,720
Speaker 1: I never and I know, I just I that just

1734
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:14,840
Speaker 1: came out, and so it just happens with good rolls

1735
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:16,439
Speaker 1: attention on Twitter, and it seems like I did it

1736
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:19,320
Speaker 1: on purpose. Yeah, good for you, dude. Yeah. I wish

1737
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:21,120
Speaker 1: I could say I was smart enough to know that

1738
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:24,720
Speaker 1: this was an issue that would generate publicity. I never imagined.

1739
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 1: I still don't understand why people care or why it's

1740
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 1: such a shocking and outrageous thing to people. Well, I

1741
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 1: think it's interesting as well, because not you have really

1742
01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:38,360
Speaker 1: to U two lines of attack, and I agree with you.

1743
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:40,800
Speaker 1: Why why the why? Is there online of attack on this,

1744
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 1: but we'll get I'll get there in a second. The

1745
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:44,760
Speaker 1: lines of attack that I saw, and there was a

1746
01:44:44,840 --> 01:44:48,519
Speaker 1: Huffington Post piece of course, on this, and you were

1747
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 1: even in there with you know, just what you said

1748
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:53,320
Speaker 1: on social media, and the lines of attack are that

1749
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 1: this is something that you would expect from the Taliban

1750
01:44:56,280 --> 01:45:00,719
Speaker 1: or you know, it's effectively regressive, uh and and terrible

1751
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:03,400
Speaker 1: in that sense. And I don't really know. I don't

1752
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 1: really get that other than just traditional Christianity now is

1753
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:08,320
Speaker 1: considered regressive. I mean, to be a Catholic who goes

1754
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:10,560
Speaker 1: to church on Sunday is to be a regressive you know,

1755
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:14,640
Speaker 1: a regressive stone age person um. And then the other

1756
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:17,280
Speaker 1: side of it also is that there's a sexism in

1757
01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 1: the workplace that this creates, meaning that women This is

1758
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 1: sort of like in a women being kept out of

1759
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 1: the men's club here, right, I mean, this is you know,

1760
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 1: the cigar smoking drinking brandy where all the deals get

1761
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:31,200
Speaker 1: done and women aren't allowed. If women can't have dinner.

1762
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 1: And of course the assumption is we're talking about just

1763
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:34,840
Speaker 1: women with men, but it goes the other way. And

1764
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:36,680
Speaker 1: what I think is interesting is, first of all those

1765
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:40,679
Speaker 1: are both to me, uh completely sort of hyper ventilated

1766
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:43,840
Speaker 1: exaggerated responses to what to what Ben said. But also

1767
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,320
Speaker 1: on top of that, a lot of women are exploited

1768
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:48,840
Speaker 1: under the pretense of you you better have dinner. I

1769
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:50,040
Speaker 1: know I have a lot of friends here in New

1770
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:52,160
Speaker 1: York City that have been through this. I've actually been

1771
01:45:52,439 --> 01:45:54,439
Speaker 1: dating a girl or two in the past when I said,

1772
01:45:54,479 --> 01:45:56,800
Speaker 1: you know, your boss, you know, while his wife and

1773
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:58,679
Speaker 1: kids are way seems to always like to have dinner

1774
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:01,240
Speaker 1: with you, like Thursday night around eight thirty pm. It's

1775
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:04,400
Speaker 1: a little strange. It can actually be used to be exploitative,

1776
01:46:04,439 --> 01:46:06,040
Speaker 1: to which I don't think any of the liberals seem

1777
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:10,320
Speaker 1: to think about. Yeah, and they well, this this show

1778
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:15,240
Speaker 1: is against feminists are so self focused. They're just everything's

1779
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:17,760
Speaker 1: about them. I mean that this was never this is

1780
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 1: not just about women. That we were talking about men,

1781
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:21,960
Speaker 1: and no one ever said, oh, the woman shouldn't be

1782
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:23,479
Speaker 1: around man, but the man can do whatevery want. No

1783
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:25,599
Speaker 1: one said this is the exact opposite of the Taliban,

1784
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:27,960
Speaker 1: where the men can do what they want, women the property.

1785
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 1: This is this is a man respecting his wife and

1786
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:33,160
Speaker 1: saying I'm not going to be around other women when

1787
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 1: she's not around. So this is the exact opposite of that.

1788
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,439
Speaker 1: But people are so First of all, people are selfish

1789
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:40,880
Speaker 1: and every they make everything about themselves. And uh, and second,

1790
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 1: I think the other problem is especially you know in

1791
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:46,720
Speaker 1: my generation. Uh, it's and I think this outrage was

1792
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 1: fueled as usual by millennials. But what outrage isn't but

1793
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:52,800
Speaker 1: the problem in my generation were you know, those people

1794
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 1: us have ever been married. And not only that, but

1795
01:46:56,280 --> 01:46:58,680
Speaker 1: very few of us haven't even ever seen. Honestly, you

1796
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:01,840
Speaker 1: think about it, have no were even seen a healthy marriage.

1797
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:03,600
Speaker 1: We don't. A lot of us don't even know what

1798
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 1: that looks like. Now I'm an exception because my parents

1799
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:09,160
Speaker 1: had a great marriage, but um, a lot of us

1800
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:11,400
Speaker 1: grew up never saw a good marriage in the home.

1801
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:12,800
Speaker 1: And of course if you look at the media, you

1802
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 1: don't see a good marriage. So they don't know what

1803
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:17,040
Speaker 1: one looks like. And if they ever encounter, if they

1804
01:47:17,120 --> 01:47:19,840
Speaker 1: find out, well, this is what goes into making a

1805
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 1: successful marriage, they feel scandalized and shocked by it. Whereas

1806
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:24,920
Speaker 1: to the rest of us who have been around healthy

1807
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:28,160
Speaker 1: relationships or been in them, it's not so shocking, you know,

1808
01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:30,559
Speaker 1: because even if you don't share this, even this isn't

1809
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:33,280
Speaker 1: a policy in your own relationship. I think if you've

1810
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:36,120
Speaker 1: been in healthy relationships at the very least, you should

1811
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:40,519
Speaker 1: respect this and understand why somebody would have this policy. Yeah,

1812
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:43,000
Speaker 1: it's not even that that you're not saying, nor nor

1813
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:46,160
Speaker 1: would I say that everybody must have this policy, but

1814
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:48,400
Speaker 1: that this policy or it's not even a policy. It

1815
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:50,320
Speaker 1: makes it sound like there was a legislature that passed this,

1816
01:47:50,479 --> 01:47:52,439
Speaker 1: you know the name of Mrs mr and Mrs Pence,

1817
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:55,280
Speaker 1: but just that this is an understanding between two adults

1818
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:58,320
Speaker 1: who are in a marriage, which should be taken as

1819
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:00,760
Speaker 1: a serious thing by every one. And I think you're

1820
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:03,200
Speaker 1: alluding to this point that it isn't taken nearly as

1821
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 1: seriously as it as it should be anymore by certainly

1822
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:08,040
Speaker 1: by uh, you're a few years younger than maybe we're

1823
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:10,679
Speaker 1: close in age, and in our generation, it's it's become

1824
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:13,840
Speaker 1: something that people just don't even think twice about it anymore. Well,

1825
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 1: maybe you know it's a real serious thing, maybe it's not.

1826
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:19,639
Speaker 1: But that somebody would be mocked for this, I think

1827
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 1: says so much more about the people, particularly those in

1828
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:24,840
Speaker 1: the media, that found this so ha ha funny. It's

1829
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, things can get bad very quickly, even without

1830
01:48:29,240 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 1: necessarily starting out with bad intentions in this regard. I've

1831
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:35,760
Speaker 1: I've seen this, I know the way it goes, and

1832
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:38,240
Speaker 1: I thought it was so interesting and so telling that

1833
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:41,680
Speaker 1: a lot of the female writers and media personalities that

1834
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:43,720
Speaker 1: were coming after you on this never even stopped to

1835
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:45,760
Speaker 1: think about how, you know, actually the one on one

1836
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:49,759
Speaker 1: uh dinner, especially if for a female who who is married,

1837
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:52,800
Speaker 1: it can be a very uncomfortable situation. A lot of

1838
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:56,360
Speaker 1: UH men in positions of authority will say, well, you know,

1839
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:57,680
Speaker 1: if you want to get ahead, if you want to

1840
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:02,160
Speaker 1: advance your career, and it creates a a dynamic that

1841
01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:04,800
Speaker 1: can lead to really destructive and bad things. And I'm

1842
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:08,160
Speaker 1: not some puritan, I just know what happens. Yeah, And

1843
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:10,760
Speaker 1: I think even if here's the point, I think in

1844
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:15,840
Speaker 1: the marriage, uh maybe this isn't exactly your policy or

1845
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:19,120
Speaker 1: their exceptions to it, but I think anyone knows there

1846
01:49:19,439 --> 01:49:22,160
Speaker 1: there you have. You must have some boundaries. You can't

1847
01:49:22,200 --> 01:49:26,240
Speaker 1: just continue carrying on exactly as you did before, interacting

1848
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:28,559
Speaker 1: with people in the exact same way, in exact same context,

1849
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:31,679
Speaker 1: with no changes whatsoever. You have to put some boundaries,

1850
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:34,280
Speaker 1: some protections in place, because, like you said, you know, things,

1851
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:37,400
Speaker 1: people are human. Things happen if you I was, I

1852
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:40,679
Speaker 1: was surprised and not surprised, but I it's sort of laughable.

1853
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:42,280
Speaker 1: All these people kind of said, all these people that

1854
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:44,320
Speaker 1: would have responded to me and said, you know, my

1855
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:47,559
Speaker 1: spouse would never ever do this, as if my husband

1856
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:49,280
Speaker 1: wants to go and have then you can, you know,

1857
01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 1: has dinner with a friend from high school. There's a

1858
01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:53,639
Speaker 1: who's a goal once a week, you know. I heard

1859
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:55,840
Speaker 1: that a few times, and he would never do anything.

1860
01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:57,760
Speaker 1: He would never do it. First of all, that is

1861
01:49:57,840 --> 01:49:59,400
Speaker 1: first of all, that is weird if you're if you're

1862
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:02,720
Speaker 1: if you're spouse has an ongoing date with some other

1863
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:05,640
Speaker 1: member of the opposite sex, you know, every week. I

1864
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 1: mean that, that to me is weird. I mean, I'm

1865
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:08,280
Speaker 1: not married, but I wouldn't be okay with it. I

1866
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:10,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't even be okay with it with a serious girlfriend.

1867
01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:14,120
Speaker 1: So there that. But also it's not just to say,

1868
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:17,320
Speaker 1: well he would never you can't what you're saying that

1869
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:20,600
Speaker 1: he's impervious what to the temptations of lust, He's impervious

1870
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:23,360
Speaker 1: to adulter. Don't understand that every single person who has

1871
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:26,880
Speaker 1: ever been cheated on without exception has said this about

1872
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:29,400
Speaker 1: the person who cheated on them before they found out

1873
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:32,120
Speaker 1: about it, that they would never do it. Um. So

1874
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:34,320
Speaker 1: I think what that tells us is that the midle

1875
01:50:34,360 --> 01:50:36,640
Speaker 1: party is really impervious to this. So what you do

1876
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:38,599
Speaker 1: is you you put protections in place, and you set

1877
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:41,519
Speaker 1: up boundaries. I'm gonna set up the boundary, not like

1878
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:44,439
Speaker 1: right on the precipice of where cheating occurs, but you're

1879
01:50:44,439 --> 01:50:46,360
Speaker 1: gonna give yourself a cushion. You know, you want to

1880
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:48,920
Speaker 1: set it up pretty far away from where cheating occurs.

1881
01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:52,080
Speaker 1: And then and then you know you you you have

1882
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:53,960
Speaker 1: that and you don't have to worry as much. And

1883
01:50:54,120 --> 01:50:55,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you don't trust the other person. This

1884
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:58,280
Speaker 1: is just about respect and about being careful and about

1885
01:50:58,280 --> 01:51:01,880
Speaker 1: being adults and understanding human nature. I just seems logical.

1886
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:04,439
Speaker 1: It seems logical to me too, And the older I get,

1887
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:07,439
Speaker 1: the more I see the way this plays out in

1888
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:10,080
Speaker 1: real life, even among friends of mine who are engaged,

1889
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:13,400
Speaker 1: friends of mine who are married. Uh, it's just it's

1890
01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:15,680
Speaker 1: just not worth it. It's not I always say you

1891
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:18,080
Speaker 1: want to avoid. And this is just a maxim that

1892
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:21,280
Speaker 1: I try to live by. Don't let unimportant things affect

1893
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:24,599
Speaker 1: the important things. And you know, trying to impress your

1894
01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:27,559
Speaker 1: boss male or female depending on you know, obviously assuming

1895
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:30,160
Speaker 1: the bosses of the opposite gender by staying out late

1896
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:32,439
Speaker 1: and having a bunch of extra drinks and just being

1897
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:35,920
Speaker 1: so cool is very rarely worth it and can lead

1898
01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:38,439
Speaker 1: to very bad things. And and I just didn't think

1899
01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:40,400
Speaker 1: it was by the way, you know, David remember David

1900
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 1: French when they were from National Review. I've had on

1901
01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:43,760
Speaker 1: the show a whole bunch of times. I think maybe

1902
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:45,559
Speaker 1: even a week or two ago. I remember he got

1903
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of heat from people when

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Speaker 1: he was rumored to be thinking about making a run

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Speaker 1: on the GOP ticket because when he was deployed in Iraq,

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Speaker 1: him and his wife agreed not to you know, talk

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Speaker 1: to like exits or friends from high school or whatever

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Speaker 1: on social media, and they set some boundaries, and people

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Speaker 1: thought that was a cause for mockery. And I'm like, look,

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Speaker 1: anybody who's been out there in the war zone will

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Speaker 1: tell you that, you know, it's you don't want to

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Speaker 1: have to worry about that kind of stuff back home.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think that was strange at all, but once

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Speaker 1: again it was ha ha. You know, David French, just

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Speaker 1: like just like Pence, thinks that his marriage needs to

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Speaker 1: be protected and taken seriously, which I don't know. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't strike me as that weird at all, but that's

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Speaker 1: that's where I am with us. I know, you obviously

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Speaker 1: see this the same way. I was shocked to see

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Speaker 1: the exchanges that. I mean, the responses you got on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: not just that people disagreed, Matt, but that people just

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Speaker 1: thought this was so hilarious like this, this was the

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Speaker 1: you know, uh, this was like he was saying he

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Speaker 1: won't drive a car to work, He's only gonna use

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Speaker 1: a horse and buggy or something. It was bizarre. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and these are people I think that for

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Speaker 1: the most part, just have, as said, just have no

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Speaker 1: concept of what goes into uh forget about marriage, but

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Speaker 1: just a healthy human relationship with another person. They've never

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Speaker 1: they they have no concept what goes into it, so

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Speaker 1: it seems funny to them. And I also think that's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of people feel challenged, you know, when

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Speaker 1: they hear about what other couples are doing, taking their

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Speaker 1: relationships seriously to protect the relationship, and then they look

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Speaker 1: at themselves and they think I'm not doing anything and

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Speaker 1: uh and maybe they feel kind of challenge and makes

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Speaker 1: them feel uncomfortable. They lash out like children. So I

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Speaker 1: think there's a little bit of that going on. To

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Speaker 1: tell me about your book, Matt comes out this week,

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Speaker 1: Unholy Trinity. Everybody listening. You can get it on Amazon

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Speaker 1: dot com. Tell us about the book. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: the book I wrote kind of time together. Themes that

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Speaker 1: I've been writing about for for a while now, um uh,

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Speaker 1: trying to distill it down. What what is the culture war?

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Speaker 1: What are the three uh primary battle fields of the

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Speaker 1: culture war? And to me, it's it's quite obvious that

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Speaker 1: it's life, marriage, and gender and um So the Unholy

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Speaker 1: Trinity kind of refers to the left three pronged assault

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Speaker 1: trying to redefine, as they've successfully done for the most part, life, marriage,

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Speaker 1: and gender and um a big you know, big pulling them.

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Speaker 1: My book or purpose behind it is to kind of

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Speaker 1: get conservatives united around this and galvanized and to understand

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Speaker 1: how important these battles are so that we can then

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Speaker 1: go out and engage, uh, you know, the left on

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Speaker 1: them and what were your what were your thoughts in

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Speaker 1: response to the uh they planned parenthood videos this week

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Speaker 1: in the fifteen felony counts. Yeah, well that was just

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Speaker 1: we want to talk. This is we we hear about

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Speaker 1: how Donald Trump is stifling or persecuting the press because

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Speaker 1: he says mean things about them on Twitter or whatever. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: we have a undercover journalists who are actually being charged

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Speaker 1: with felonies and facing prison time, lengthy prison time for

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Speaker 1: um for for conducting an undercover investigation. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is real political persecution. And then you find out that

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Speaker 1: well we know that the that the you know, the

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Speaker 1: California state government is entirely in the pocket of the

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Speaker 1: abortion industry. They've been blatantly collaborating on ways to get

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Speaker 1: back at Dave Delight and then the Center for Medical Progress.

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Speaker 1: And this is just absolute political persecution. And you know

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Speaker 1: something I read. I read an article just a couple

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Speaker 1: of years ago in California some animal rights activists did

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Speaker 1: a similar thing at chicken farms where they took undercover

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Speaker 1: video at chicken farms to document the persecution of chickens

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Speaker 1: that goes on Chicken farms and the state California state

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Speaker 1: government had appenily had no problem with that. In fact,

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Speaker 1: they looked at the video and started and and and

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Speaker 1: investigated the chicken farmers. But so apparently you're live to

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Speaker 1: take undercover video of chicken farmers, but not of people

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Speaker 1: are chopping babies up and sell them for parts, like

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Speaker 1: you know, like their car parts or something. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's it's just playing the evil there there. There are

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Speaker 1: a few places where you see politicization and government in

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Speaker 1: more stark terms than when it comes to prosecutorial discretion. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and we could that's a whole other discussion. But sometimes

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Speaker 1: you know the laws the law, except for the fact

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Speaker 1: that when you have partisans who are in the prosecutor's offices,

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Speaker 1: they can do what they can do as they wish.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as you know, Matt, they can just decide

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Speaker 1: no charges here, charges there, and as you just illustrated

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Speaker 1: for us all, oh, we know where California stands on

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Speaker 1: the issue of life, and they stand against it. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: the author is Matt Walsh, everybody, he's His book is

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Speaker 1: out this week, Unholy Trinity. It's up on Amazon, right Matt, Yeah, Amazon.

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Speaker 1: It's also in think a lot of Parts and Noble

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Speaker 1: stores right now, All right on Holy Trinity. Matt Walsh,

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Speaker 1: author of The Blaze, is great to have you, sir,

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Speaker 1: Have a good rest of your day. Appreciate it. Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks for what Gender dysphoria used to be called gender

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Speaker 1: identity disorder, but they've changed it now. So there's that

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Speaker 1: follow up on our conversation about all of the transgender

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Speaker 1: rights issues that have come up. All right, John and

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Speaker 1: Mississippi on w b UV. You've been very patient, sir.

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Speaker 1: What's on your mind? Well, I want to know what's

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Speaker 1: become of Evelyn Parkis. Do you remember Evelyn Farkas from

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Speaker 1: a couple of days ago I was talking to I

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Speaker 1: was talking about her yesterday, right, and well, uh is she? Was?

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Speaker 1: She in the news today? I wasn't able to listen

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Speaker 1: to anything, and frankly, um, I googled her on the

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Speaker 1: computer and I came to I googled the name Evelyn Farkas,

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Speaker 1: and I came to an article, an article put out

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Speaker 1: by Scopes dot com s c. O. Peking. I'm not

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Speaker 1: familiar with I'm not familiar with him, but they appeared

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Speaker 1: to debunk this um beating frenzy that we created over

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Speaker 1: Farcas's admission to leaking classified documents in the article appears

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Speaker 1: to UH deboth that and cause us call us a

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Speaker 1: bunch of pools. But one thing they point out is

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Speaker 1: that her interview was March the second, four weeks ago

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Speaker 1: and not March. But I thought about it, and I

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Speaker 1: realized that it doesn't matter when she gave the interview.

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Speaker 1: You the substance of her interview is still the same.

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Speaker 1: She admits the leaking classified documents, even though she tends

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Speaker 1: to imply that she leaked them to the Hill Meeting Congress,

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Speaker 1: but all the reports came out in the newspapers, So

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Speaker 1: maybe she leaked them to some Congress members or maybe

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Speaker 1: some staffers of Congress congressmen in congresswomen, but we read

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Speaker 1: about it in the paper, So her her her admissions

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Speaker 1: are still valid, is still is still just as pertinent

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Speaker 1: and relevant as it was yesterday and the day before.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter that She's responding to a New York

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Speaker 1: Times article about Obama's attempts to preserve intelligence. This was

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Speaker 1: their method of preserving the intelligence that rushes Uh influenced

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Speaker 1: our election, and in the course of that they picked

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Speaker 1: up some John I'm gonna I'm gonna have to contact

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Speaker 1: just because we're out of time on the show, my friend.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I will check out that Snopes piece and

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Speaker 1: I will respond to it tomorrow on the show here. Uh,

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Speaker 1: thank you all very much for being with me today.

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Speaker 1: Always enjoy all my time with you here in the

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