WEBVTT - Rick Wilson & Mallory McMorrow 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.399 today's best minds, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics found 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:16.000 that US employers added one hundred and eighty one thousand 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:20.360 jobs last year, far fewer than the one point four 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:24.040 six million jobs that we're added in twenty twenty four. 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:26.320 We have such a great show for you today. 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:30.080 The Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us to discuss 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:35.880 the DOJ hiding files that might implicate Trump. Then we'll 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:41.080 talk to Michigan Senate Democratic primary candidate Malloy mcmarrow about 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:45.000 her run for Michigan's open Senate seat. 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:46.560 But first, The News. 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:50.720 Somalie said Scotis told Trump that he's a reckless, not 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.680 constitution abiding president about his tariffs. He has decided he 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.640 will exercise that power because he loves tariffs so much 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:02.640 to make a global tariff eighteen percent from ten percent immediately. 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:07.480 So Donald Trump lost against the Supreme Court. Two of 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:12.800 his three justices cided against him. Was only Justice Kegstand 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:19.640 Kavanaugh joining the Fox News triumpherent of Thomas and Alito, 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.440 who will let Donald Trump do anything he wants forever 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:27.160 and ever and ever. So Justice keg Stand in his descent, 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.520 said there are other ways to do what you want 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:36.399 to do, big boss, and suggested that there was this workaround. Again, Look, 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:40.839 Donald Trump did these tariffs through this emergency executive order 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:45.759 which used in emergency powers that never used the word tariff. 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:47.800 Done dun dun duh. 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:52.760 And again Justice Roberts used the major case doctrine, which 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:56.480 is the thing he used to tell Biden he couldn't 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.640 cancel a student loan debt, to tell Trump that he 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:01.560 didn't have the authority to do these. 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:02.600 Tariffs Donald Trump. 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:08.840 By the way, tariff's unpopular, inflationary, not helping manufacturing. The 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.480 only thing they're doing is helping Donald Trump be the 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.520 autocrat he dreams of being. This would have been an 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.760 off ramp. This is an excellent off ramp. But because 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.800 Donald Trump can never take an off ramp, just like 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:26.800 we saw in Minnesota when Ice murdered two American citizens, 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:30.280 just like we've saw we've seen again and again during 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:33.600 Trump's first and second terms, he can never take an 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:34.280 off ramp. 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:36.079 So instead of taking the. 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.720 Off ramp and being like, oh well, Supreme Court said, 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:43.320 I can't do it. He has doubled down, and he 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:47.639 did this Mussolini esque, as Rick Wilson says later on presser, 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:49.760 where he went on and on and on about how 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:54.080 disappointed he was with those two Supreme courtresses who don't 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:58.600 love America, and then he went on to effectively put 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.680 a tempresent tariff, and then he hiked it to fifteen. 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.560 And who knows what's going to happen. 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:08.320 Because if there's one thing we know about Donald Trumpetz 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:13.080 that he hates acting rationally and he's a very sensitive guy. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.600 So expect more uncertainty and craziness. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.200 Yeah, it almost feels like the oppositional defiant disorder is 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:22.400 very real in that one. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:26.560 Yeah, his behavior is irrational and so it's never going 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:27.480 to make any sense. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.400 And that's where we are speaking of. 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:31.440 Thank you for setting me up with that. So the 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:36.040 DHS has now reversed on their TSA pre check pause 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:40.400 as the snowstorm that we're about to endure heads in. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.040 I don't know how it's looking in your part of 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.560 New York, body, but they looking good over here in Brooklyn. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.560 Yes, I saw this when we're talking about what we're 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.920 going to talk about now in the podcast, and it says, 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.600 DHS reverses on TSA PreCheck pause and I was like, 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:59.200 wait a second. I thought TSA was paused because somebody 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:00.920 else had been completed. Need to me about how they 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.680 were going to pause TSA and you were like, no, no, 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:09.000 but they've unpaused it, and there we go. So last Sunday, 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.720 TSA PreCheck remained operational with no change for the traveling public. 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:18.400 So here's the thing. There's a DHS shutdown. You may 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:22.719 know about this. It was because ICE has become a 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:28.320 completely unchecked militia that serves the president and searches people's 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:32.560 houses and wears masks and kills people. Americans don't like it, 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:37.640 and Democrats are trying to renegotiate some common sense reforms, 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:42.840 like they shouldn't wear masks and be the guestapo. Republicans 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.400 are really offended by the idea of even trying to 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:49.880 negotiate anything. Airgo here we are. Look, I just want 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:53.159 to say that Donald Trump has billions of dollars for 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:58.160 both the Department of Defense and for ICE enforcement. 0:04:58.040 --> 0:04:58.839 In the BBB. 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.760 These two parts of the government have billions. While they've 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.760 caught cancer research for children, you know, children's cancer research 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.320 there's no money for that, but there's tons and tons 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:13.240 and tons of money for President Trump's police force. They 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.479 are buying up warehouses in which they will wear house 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:17.239 human beings. 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:19.120 And that is why. 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:22.640 I say to you, there's money for the TSA PreCheck, 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:26.520 thank you. I think there's also money for children's cancer research. 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.440 But then again I'm a libtard. 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:28.920 Yeah. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.240 Unfortunately, this ted talk is not going over well with them, Molly. 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:37.680 In Trump's continued demented foreign policy towards Greenland, we now 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:42.000 have Greenland's leader saying no thanks to Trump's US hospital vote. 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:42.760 Yeah. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:47.920 So this is a pretty great little insane bid here. 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:52.440 Donald Trump up late on the internet two things that 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:57.480 never mean anything good. He is very into AI and 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:03.280 posts a picture of a boat trying to appeal to Greenland. 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:08.120 And so he says that he's going to send a 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:11.080 US hospital boat. He was his two hospital boats that 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.640 are both in dry dock. So he is going to 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:15.760 take a little while unless he's going to send a 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:17.120 Disney Cruz with some. 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:22.720 Doctors on it, which again not impossible. I'd believe it 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:24.600 if I reddits exactly. 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.160 And I want to point out that in this weird 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:32.080 truth AI thing, he says working with the fantastic governor 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:37.920 of Louisiana. Louisiana, which is a state known for its healthcare. Right, 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:42.239 he's going to send the hospital boat to Greenland. 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.680 So also known for its close proximity to Greenland. Real 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:46.040 direct roots. Yeah. 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.480 Well, but also I think it's important to realize that 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.000 Louisiana is one of the ten worst states for healthcare. 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.760 Yes, you might be okay in New Orleans. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.359 There's a pretty good hospital teaching hospital in New Orleans. 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:03.520 Otherwise, I think you probably want to go to North Carolina. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.000 So that's why I say to you, this is an 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.400 insane thing for Donald Trump to truth. 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:13.640 And by the way, Denmark, Greenland they are laughing at us. 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:17.200 The leaders of Denmark and the Arctic Territory thought it 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.920 was pretty funny that Donald Trump was going to lecture 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:25.040 them about healthcare, and the Greenlandic Prime Minister said that 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.080 will be a big no thanks from us, And I 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.680 think it's an important point. They reiterated that healthcare is 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:35.080 actually free in Denmark. Well, it is not free in 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:36.360 the United States. 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:40.960 Fun times. So you may remember one Jisland Maxwell from 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.840 getting special treatment in prison from mister Donald Trump. And 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.200 now we see that she's fighting the release of documents 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:51.120 from Virginia Jeffrey's civil defamation lawsuit because it may not 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.080 go so well for her keeping her cushy place of 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:54.960 the sun in prison. 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.880 Yeah. I don't know that we spend enough time talking 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:02.000 about this. Glad Maxwell Well is not in the prison 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.680 she was in before she met with Todd Blanche. She 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:09.000 met with Todd Blanche, Todd Blanche said you deserved to 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.840 be in a nicer prison and moved her to a 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:15.080 nicer prison where she can raise puppies and hang out 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:19.240 with Elizabeth Holmes. Why did Todd Blanche move her to 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.720 a nicer, lower security prison. 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.320 I think the next segment of this podcast, where you 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.480 talk to Rick is a very good clue that they 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:27.560 would make a lot of sense. 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:31.920 Yeah, so I think it's worth realizing that, like Gillane 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:38.840 really wants not to have people see anymore how involved 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.600 she is with this, and she is really involved with us. 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:44.960 And when you listen to if you haven't listened to 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:50.560 Saturday's interview with Maria Farmer, please please do because in 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:55.560 it she talks about how horrible Gollane Maxwell was to 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.800 her and how horrible she was the other girls and 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:03.760 how guilty she is in this. But anyway, Maxwell's lawyers 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.560 are fighting the request to release ninety thousand pages related 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.800 to Epstein and Maxwell. And by the way, she already 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.559 is so horrendous. Who even knows the lawyers filed the 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.520 papers on Friday. This is from a civil defamation suit 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:23.520 brought a decade ago by Virginia Geufrey. You know, Maria 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:28.200 Farmer talks about Virginia Geufrey and how she really did 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:33.479 spend her life trying to fight back against Golane and Jeffrey, 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.319 and how you know she gave up her life for 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:41.000 this and she died last year right before her book 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.520 came out. So I hope that all. 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:44.760 Of these files get released. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.400 Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project and 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:56.200 the host of the Emmy's List. Rick Wilson Epstein files 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:02.080 are They're like a rorshack, really given that keeps on giving. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.640 Our friend who used to work at The Daily Beast, 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:12.440 Roger Sallenberger, has very reporter has discovered a a list 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.880 explain what this is because it's a little bit complicated. 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:19.800 Roger has discovered a number of files that the DOJ 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:21.800 tried to redact once they were. 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:23.400 Were known to exist. 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:27.360 Yes, the DOJ has decided they're going to pull them offline. 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.000 Why would they do this, Well, they do this in 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:34.679 part because in these files there are confidential informant reports 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:38.280 and other information that say that it was reported that 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.400 Donald Trump had had sex with a minor child. 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:44.920 DJ deleted record revealing that Maxwell holds potential blackmail. 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:46.880 That's correct, and well, that's what I was getting to 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:48.960 is as And the other part of this that I 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:53.640 think really bothers Trump and Todd Blanche, et cetera, is 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.520 that what they were what they redacted, was stuff that 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:02.520 was given to Galaine Maxwell in discovery for her trust, right, 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:07.680 and somehow or another, Pam BONDI decided that she would 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.200 pull this information offline even though it's the hottest piece 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:14.040 of smoke and blackmail material that you could have imagined 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.840 in the hands of of Glayne Maxwell. 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:17.520 Right. 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:22.000 I just find it. I find it fascinating that, as 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.320 I always find it fascinating. I guess that the Trump 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.760 folks really think that at this day and age, in 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:30.960 what we have in the world we have that includes 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.679 the Internet, they're going to delete something and make it 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:35.600 magically disappear. 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.080 Yeah, And I mean it goes back to the release 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.480 of these files period paragraph And there was really good 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:46.160 reporting this week in the Wall Street Journal. Josh Dowcy, 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.760 who used to kill it at the Washington Post. 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:50.120 Before great work this week. 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.240 Bezos ruined the Washington Post and now he works at 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.120 the Wall Street Journal, which has really good reporting, and 0:11:56.160 --> 0:12:00.199 he talks about how botch the release was. And there 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.959 was a lot of files that were for example, they 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:09.480 redacted the name Leslie Waxner because they thought Leslie might 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.280 have been a woman's name. 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:11.880 Yeah. 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.120 Sure, that's exactly plausible in every way, and everybody believes 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:15.880 that completely. 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.720 That's just super super. 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:22.800 Likely that somehow the world's the captain of the world's 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:27.160 most giant pedophile ring. It's just mistakenly knew someone. Was 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.520 she on his majong list or something. Get the fuck 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:30.040 out of here. 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:33.959 And and just for another minute on les Waxner, there 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.560 was he did this really long deposition last week in 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.440 which his lawyer kept telling him to shut the fuck up. 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.600 I believe the phrase was was I will fucking kill 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:47.280 you if you say more than five words to any answer. Yeah, 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.720 And she seems striking to me that the lawyer might 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.640 have had a level of concern that a that an 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.400 innocent man might not have had. 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.600 Yeah, I mean it definitely seemed like And I want 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:00.959 to like talk about Les wax Her for another minute, 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:04.600 because we did this interview yesterday for the podcast with 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:05.559 Maria Farmer. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.320 Maria Farmer is the first person. 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:12.160 To ever come out against Epstein in a criminal complaint 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:16.559 for the FBI and also the NYPD. She has cancer 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.079 now and is quite sick, so we didn't do it 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.360 on camera and she can't travel. 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.160 And it's worth listening to this interview. 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.440 Jesse said he was crying when we taped it. It 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:32.360 just is the story of how these women's lives were 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:40.559 ruined by Jeffrey and Lass and whoever else, you know. 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:43.760 So I think it's worth listening to. And we forget 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:45.160 about the victims, you. 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.600 Know, mind, I think that's really an important point here, because. 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:51.160 Their stories are when you and I've interviewed a couple, 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.120 and you've interviewed a couple, and their stories have this 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:59.679 sort of sameness about them, but also the pain is individualized. 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:01.679 They were all victims. 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.040 Of this system that this guy and his and claim 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.959 Maxwell and their friends enabled and empowered and ran. But 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.240 you know, the individual abuses they all suffered are just 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:15.000 so horrific and so like you hear you, you hear 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:18.440 these stories and it's just like it's so heartbreaking and 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:22.200 in every level. And I just find it unaccountable that 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:25.280 I go back to this again, that Pam Bondi would 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.360 not even look them in the face during that last 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:28.160 congressional hearing. 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:28.920 Yeah. 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:33.600 And you know Pam Bondi who was famous for when 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.240 she was early in her career before she ruined herself 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.600 with Trump as many a person does in the Republican. 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:41.760 Party, as has been known to happen. 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:43.160 So yes, I. 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.720 Think there's a there's a phrase that describes it. 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:49.200 Maybe, Yes, I've heard it before about am people dying. 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.240 From Yeah, yeah Trump, I heard it. 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:55.320 But she had actually cut an ad against child trafficking. 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:56.480 Mm hmm. 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.440 She did, and and that ad was directed by my 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:03.520 old business partner, Adam Goodman. Pam Bondie her big things 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:07.000 were child trafficking and as she used to say, busting 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:11.160 up gangs and criminal elements. Yeah, and yet it seems 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:15.320 the criminal element gets more Pam Bondi's attention and deference 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.200 than the victims. 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.160 In this day, I think that we still haven't seen 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.560 the end of the Ebstein files. You know, there's still 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:26.280 millions of documents that are being gone through. There are 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:32.560 unindicted code conspirators who will eventually their names will be redected. 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.520 We'll become they will become indicted conspirators at some point. 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.360 I am hoping, as an American and as a human 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.760 that we will see at some point a Department of Justice, 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:44.640 if not this one, bring them to account. 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:48.400 I also wonder when we look at this story, how 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:52.400 much you know things don't change until they do, right. 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.560 The Epstein files don't get released until they do. People 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.120 don't turn on a president until they do, and they 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.840 turn on him. And I'm reminded of the moments before 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:07.040 Black Lives Matter and the moments before me too, when 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.160 the culture hit a boiling point, and I think we're 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:11.800 there now again, I think. 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:15.400 We're actually past that boiling point now. Weirdly enough, I'm 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:19.160 seeing a convergence of anti Trump and pro Trump people 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.200 pissed off in the same way about the Epstein matter. 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:24.400 Yeah, that makes sense. 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.080 I mean I feel like there is a I feel 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.480 like the world has changed in a I don't want 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.560 to say fundamental way, but a meaningful way. 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:33.080 Well it's me too again. 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.160 Yeah, but the idea that so many of these people 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.520 are now like, yeah, Trump lied to me. He told 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.200 me he was going to release these files. And these 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.760 people really do care about this issue. It is a 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:49.160 real issue for these voters who believe that he was 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.480 going to protect the children from the pedophiles. M hm, 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.840 and now he's protecting the pedophiles from the victims and 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:56.680 the children. 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:57.560 It's amazing. 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:58.320 It is. 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:04.600 It's sickening, but yeah, but it's definitionally amazing as well 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:12.040 to see an entire administration fully devoted to ensuring that 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.200 the relevant information that's hidden in these files is never 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:16.360 seen by the public. 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:18.320 Yeah, blows my mind. 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:19.480 It's still going. 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.120 So you have these hearings that are going to take 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:26.639 place at mar A Lago, that Garcia and that oversight 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.560 is dealing with, right, and so I think there will 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.960 be more and we also just have endless documents coming. 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.080 We're going to say nothing of the three million that 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:36.160 are still hidden. 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:40.440 Yes, and there's probably more and the videos, but we 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.160 need to talk. And I also think when we talk 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.680 about I just want for one more second on this subject, 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:48.600 we talk about Les Wexner. I think it's important to 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:53.160 remember that Waxner is a major GOP donor. 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.040 And considered John Husted out of Ohio. 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:58.760 There's running against share Brown, running against. 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:01.960 Share Brown just took a hundred grand from Wes Westerner, 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.080 And to my knowledge, Mom, maybe you can correct me 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.520 if I'm wrong on this, I'm wrong, But to my knowledge, 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:12.160 he has not given that money back, nor will he. 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.560 I don't yeah, yeah, I don't think that. I don't 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:17.080 think the odds are high that he will. 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:21.399 No, I do not think so. On Friday, Donald Trump 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:29.080 was betrayed. Why his Supreme Court justices Justice Amy and 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.359 Justice Gorsich. You know, they were put in there to 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:36.760 do trump S bidding and they just hate America, discuss. 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:38.119 Very bad, very wrong. 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:40.679 And this is one of the most novel Trumpian theories 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:44.600 I've ever heard. Molly, Suddenly the Supreme Court is affected 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:45.840 by foreign influence. 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.919 I'm like, what, what? 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:48.119 What? 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:48.399 What? 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.359 Because because Donald Trump can't come up with another explanation, 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.840 why Amy, Comy Barrett, and why Neil Gorsich have suddenly 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.240 turned on him and decided to get in bed with 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.439 that horrible influence of foreign powers the constitution of the 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:03.920 United States. 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:12.399 It was an amazing at all trumpy moment there where 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:16.280 Donald Trump said there are good justices on the Supreme Court, 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:21.080 like Justice in Leido, And. 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:23.080 If the court is influenced by foreign powers, then every 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.119 vote the foreign those influenced by foreign powers have taken 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.240 so far should be invalidated. And I think he needs 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.360 to go ahead and just say I won't abide by 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.960 any of the decisions that that that this corrupt court 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:37.679 has made, including Roe v. Wade, and including of course, 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:39.600 yeah Trump versus us. 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:41.479 Other than that, I think we're fine. 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.679 I think we're finer than that, right, Donald, Yeah. 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:46.960 One of the things we know about these tariffs is 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:53.600 that they do not onshore manufacturing because wildly variable teriff 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.800 rates that go on and off with the president's mood 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:00.080 do not inspire people to build factory. 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:04.959 No, there's no like, there's no construction index like Donald 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.520 Trump's cyclothymic behavior. 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:14.000 Build a factory, factory in Alabama or what else. 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.680 So what it's done has just made things more expensive. 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:21.280 But if you think about tariffs as a tool of 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.000 an autocrat, they make a lot more sense. 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.280 Sure, And and look the disappointment he had at that 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:32.760 very long castro esque press conference on Friday could not 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:35.600 have been more palpable. Yeah, you know, he he was 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.040 angry and and I can't I don't know who the 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:40.840 munchkin he had on the Sunday shows this week was, 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:44.119 But that guy's attitude was like, well, you know, the 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.879 president is right and all these tariffs are so good, 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.080 and yet Scott Besten sound said, no, nobody's ever going 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:50.960 to see that money back. 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:54.639 Sorry, I mean, just like give away the game they're chief. 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.879 I mean, so there's all this tariff money, and the 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:01.280 tariffs have are now deemed I legal. 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:04.800 Now seventy seven trigillion brazillion. 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:06.439 Right, which we're all getting back. 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:07.000 Right. 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:11.560 Pritzker wrote a really I think effective tweet which was 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:15.680 basically like, send a check to each one of my constituents. 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:17.960 Yeah, we lp. He just put on an ad this 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:19.920 weekend called It's like pay me dummy. 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:21.280 Yeah. 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:25.080 He really did promise these tariff checks, MOLLI, including in 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.720 their fundraising emails they were sending out on Friday morning. 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:31.760 Yeah, if you think of them as the tool of 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:34.840 an autocrat, it make a lot more sense. He got 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.720 mad at Switzerland, so he moved the tariff from thirty 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:40.480 five to thirty seven or thirty two to thirty seven. 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:42.639 And then you think about tools. 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:45.000 They him, they gave him a watch or something, and 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:45.960 he again. 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.360 And if you think of tariffs, and if you think 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:50.760 of the Trump administration as. 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:52.679 A kleptocracy, and you. 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:59.159 Think of Ebstein Files occupant Howard Lutnik. 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:01.720 Yep business partner of Epstein's. 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:05.960 According to CBS run by Barry Weiss, opened by David Allison, 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:10.800 Lutnick's sons have been betting because now you can bet 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:15.520 on anything because America is basically Las Vegas on these 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:17.800 tariffs being taken off. 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.600 So the Lutnix suns just made a lot of money. 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:22.600 Oh it was Lutnik boys. Sure know how to make 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:23.320 some cash. 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:25.200 Yeah, they seem really smart. 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:27.400 They're they're they're like the Trump fellas. 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:30.600 They just have a golden touch when it comes I'm 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:32.199 to grifting, kleptocracy. 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:37.320 I'm almost embarrassed to be a NAPO baby. I'm starting 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:39.359 to think it might not be such a good look. 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:45.239 Listen, I gotta tell you nothing about nothing about a 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:50.359 country where the sons of the powerful overlords are dealing 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:52.639 in shady financial transactions. 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:55.520 Nothing, none of that scans as good news. With the 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:56.960 future of the country. 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:01.320 My favorite part of last week was when the King 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:06.560 of England, you may remember England, a country with a king, said. 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:08.600 That he really all must take its course. 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:12.399 Yes, his brother was not above the law. 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:15.800 And even like they may get you know, they're talking 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:22.320 about the PM of the UK starmer Stormer getting in 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:25.840 some kind of trouble because he put someone in the 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:27.280 Epstein files. 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:28.680 Right, Peter Mandelsson from. 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:33.840 Peter Mandelsson as a as an ambassador. Meanwhile, our president 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:36.600 features prominently. 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:39.439 And yet he somehow comes out every day now and says, 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:42.160 as if to try to magically make it real, I'm 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:43.520 completely exonerated. 0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:45.240 I'm innocent. 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:47.960 I I'm the one who I'm the one who stopped Epstein. 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:52.320 If you think about Trump as someone who truly believes 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:54.879 that there is a percentage of his base that only 0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:56.040 listens to him. 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:57.720 And there they do. 0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:03.960 So every time he's says I'm exonerated, are there are very. 0:24:03.920 --> 0:24:07.200 Group of Americans who say, yeah, he's tolerated. Yeah. 0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:11.320 Do you think if Trump said things like I'm not exonerated. 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:13.400 No, No, they. 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.760 Have a magical thinking about them now that even when 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:19.439 he has in the past had to like walk stuff 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:23.320 back in the n minor ways like during David all right, no, no, 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:29.040 that's it's forty chess. He's secretly working to whatever, and 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:32.120 it never seems to it never seems to really catch 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:35.439 up with him with that small percentage, you know. And 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:38.800 that percentage used to be thirty five percent. Right now 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:44.639 it's like twenty. Yeah, and shrinking folks by the day. 0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:46.040 Take that as a piece of good news in the 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:47.399 in a dark world. 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:53.840 I want to talk to you about potentially talented politicians. 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:58.120 We're in primary season. There are a bunch of primaries 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:02.080 going and and I don't want to talk about specific 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:04.920 candidates because I want I have a theory that. 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:06.439 I want you to talk to us about. 0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:11.920 I think that Democrats get really stuck in the ideological 0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:17.720 purity of their candidates and not so interested in their 0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:19.800 candidates whether or not they're talented. 0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:22.760 And and my theory of the. 0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:24.199 Case, and I want you to tell me if you 0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:27.200 think this is right or wrong, is that I think 0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:30.240 that politicians they kind of don't really believe stuff. 0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:31.560 Let's just be honest here. 0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:34.280 That's true more in the in the in the observance 0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:35.480 than the breach, yes. 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:41.000 Right, and Republicans are much more nihilists. But Democrats also 0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:45.480 can have their opinions changed. And so do you think 0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:49.640 that democrats are wrong being so focused on the machinations 0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:53.359 of their politicians' opinions and not on the talent of 0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:54.560 said politicians. 0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:58.600 Discuss if you were putting me in charge of this matter. 0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:04.920 Talent is the first, second, third, and tenth criteria for 0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:08.680 these folks. You can have people who are morally perfect 0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:11.520 and correct. If they can't run a race, and they 0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:15.320 can't win a race, what good are they? You're You're 0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:18.440 not helping the party or the country by being by 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:21.680 being morally pristine. If the choice is between your guy 0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:25.760 who's not perfect and somebody who serves Satan, picks the 0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:28.480 guy who doesn't serve Satan. It doesn't mean that you 0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:31.159 can't believe things. People all believe things, and they should. 0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:34.879 But sometimes you don't say the quiet part out loud. 0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:38.600 Sometimes you run a campaign instead of a struggle session. 0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:42.280 Yeah, and do you think that one of the things 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:47.639 Democrats can do at this moment is stop doing those fucking. 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:49.920 Questions? Yeah? 0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:51.960 Never about the question. Listen, Listen. 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:54.520 I told candidates back in two thousand and two on 0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:55.760 the Republican side, because we had. 0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:58.920 The same purity test. Bullshit happening. 0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:03.600 Okay, So the questionnaires are when different groups. 0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:06.840 Right, And by the way, folks, I'm not attacking them. 0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:11.120 So when the when the Sierra Club or nay row 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:15.639 or or or Moms Against sends you a questionnaire and 0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:18.879 they demand that you answer it, and they demand you 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.679 tell them every single thing. When Democrats did that and 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:23.280 I was a Republican, you know what I did ninety 0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:25.440 five percent of the time as a Republican, I'd be like, yeah, 0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:27.119 look what that dumb son of a bit said in 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.919 that and I would know, and I would turn that 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:33.000 around into negative ads, and those ads would make your 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:37.680 candidate look like a fucking idiot. Right, This is why 0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.679 nobody is served by these questionnaires. Accept the other side. 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:45.800 And so Democrats, if you're a candidate, don't answer fucking questionnaires. 0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:48.040 And by the way, those groups that go we will 0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:50.840 never endorse you unless you yeah, yeah, they will, Okay, 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.679 if you're a winner, they will if you if you 0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:55.720 show that you're kicking ass, they will. 0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:57.080 None of it matters. 0:27:57.400 --> 0:27:59.680 These people that do this and turn it into a 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:03.040 pure check thing, fuck them, no, just fuck them. 0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:10.560 Schumer and other members who pick candidates, Yes, do you 0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:14.720 think that they should be picking the most talented candidates 0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:17.560 and not the people that are their. 0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:23.520 Friends always and forever? Pick talent because look, campaigns in 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:27.760 the old days depended more on the internal game. Can 0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:29.800 this guy raise all the money from the other big 0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:31.760 guys that I know who're going to sit in the 0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:33.960 room and write hundred thousand dollars checks to the party 0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:39.600 committees and all that. Today, campaigns are increasingly being mediated 0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:43.280 by how good you are on television, how good you 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:46.320 are on YouTube, how good you are on Instagram, how 0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:50.000 good you are on social media. And listen, there are 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:54.280 a lot of things that Democrats would disqualify James tallerco 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.800 on right, and in a lot of parts of this country, 0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:01.000 Democrats say, no, nope, nope, he's two to the god stuff. 0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:01.880 I don't care for that. 0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:07.440 They would be passing on the most talented single candidate 0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:09.320 I've seen come out of the Democratic field in the 0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:13.680 last decade by an order of magnitude, you know. And 0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:16.680 so if you're gonna, if you're gonna pick candidates, pick 0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:20.920 them because they're good candidates them. Deal with the ideology 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:26.080 crap later, because most ideological things, most purity tests again, folks, 0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:29.800 I sort of repeat this. The Republican Party has weaponized 0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:35.920 democratic purity tests like champions, and they disqualified Democratic candidates 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:39.640 in the minds of large percentages of voters, especially in 0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:43.520 red and purple states, based on those said. 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:45.640 Will you come back? 0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:46.600 You know I will. 0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:52.960 Mallory mcmarrow is a Michigan State senator and a candidate 0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:59.120 in the Democratic Senate primary in the great state of Michigan. Welcome, 0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:01.200 Welcome Allarman Morrow. 0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:02.520 Good to be back. 0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:04.680 So you're running for senate. 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:09.320 This is three way Senate race, and I want you 0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:13.760 to talk us through. This is the primary. Voting starts. 0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:16.520 When does voting start? Probably start soon, right. 0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:20.440 Well, it's an August primary, so voting starts in June 0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:22.080 for for the August primary. 0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:26.280 So talk us through what your primary looks like. Michigan, 0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:27.720 it's a Senate seat. 0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:30.280 Talk us through us. Sure, So we've got an open 0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:35.080 Senate seat this year with Gary Peters retiring. Mike Rogers 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:38.040 is very likely the Republican nominee. This is the same 0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:42.720 guy that ran against Alyssa Slotkin last cycle, narrowly lost 0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:46.200 and is back again this time with Trump's full endorsement 0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:49.680 and millions of dollars from all around the country right 0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:52.240 from the get go. On the Democratic side, we have 0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:56.400 a three way Democratic primary with myself, Abdul lsa Ed, 0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:59.560 and Hailey Stevens. I'm excited about it. I mean, I 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.800 knew coming in that I would have the biggest hill 0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:06.040 to climb in terms of building name recognition. One of 0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:08.680 the candidates had run for governor in twenty eighteen, so 0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:11.840 has run statewide before. The other is a sitting member 0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:15.920 of Congress from Metro Detroit who had a contentious primary 0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:17.960 in twenty twenty two. So I had millions of dollars 0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:20.680 spent in the Metro Detroit media market for her. But 0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:23.880 my theory was that once people got to know me 0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:27.360 and my theory of the case, which is that this 0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:30.200 is by no means a normal time, by any stretch 0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:34.239 of the imagination, that operating as if it is is 0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:36.520 simply not going to cut it, and that I have 0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:40.080 both the lived experience as somebody who hasn't spent my 0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:43.120 entire life in politics, but also a track record of 0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:46.840 beating a Republican incumbent to get into office, helping flip 0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:49.360 control of our entire state Senate for the first time 0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:52.280 in forty years, and as majority whip, I've actually delivered 0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:56.640 on every single issue that Democrats in Michigan or's written 0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.040 large care about that. That's a blueprint that we can 0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:03.480 bring with us to Washington. So I filed in April 0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:05.240 of last year. I was the first candidate in the 0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:08.240 race's earliest polls showed that I was trailing in third 0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:11.080 behind the two other Democrats. I am in the latest 0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:14.080 Emerson polling now the front runner and leading by five points. 0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:16.440 So we feel really good at heading into the ayar 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:18.280 Who've got the momentum and we're going to do this thing. 0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:22.000 So you've had some questions about a pack. It's become 0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:27.160 a wildly unpopular in the Democratic Party. Talk to me 0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:31.200 about your position on a pack, your thoughts about a 0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:32.000 pack money. 0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:35.960 Yeah, I would encourage anybody if you haven't. Tom Melanowski 0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:39.760 wrote an op ed for The Bulwark yesterday really reflecting 0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:44.040 on what happened in his race and making the case 0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:48.040 to the Democratic Party that the Democratic Party should cut 0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:51.240 ties with a pack because, as he pointed out, as 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:53.840 Jeremy who heads up J Street has pointed out, it 0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:59.560 is really funded by Republican donors who intervene in Democratic primaries, 0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:02.960 and I think has shifted away from perhaps what its 0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:05.200 original mission was and what I view is it's a 0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:09.720 pro net Yahoo organization and a prom organization. So I 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.479 am not accepting a PAC contributions and I do get 0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:15.440 asked about it a lot. I mean at every event 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:18.160 that we go to. It's something that people want to know, 0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:20.280 is are you accepting those contributions. 0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:20.600 I'm not. 0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:24.000 I'm also not accepting any corporate pack donations on my campaign, 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:28.239 and that does make it harder to fundraise. But despite that, 0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:32.480 I've got more grassroots support than my two Democratic opponents combined. 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:35.680 I have the most donations from Michigan, and we feel 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:39.160 that on the ground people are rallying behind this campaign 0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:40.520 and it's the right thing to do. 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:46.320 Hayley Stephens was really sort of crowned the Democratic nominee. 0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:50.720 I have interviewed her, and I actually knew her before 0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:54.160 she ran for Congress, when she had just worked on 0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:58.040 the auto bailout. I was struck by how she's not 0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:01.840 a particularly good speaker. Why do you think she was 0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:05.600 crowned the nominee so early? 0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:07.360 I mean, I don't want to speak for the party 0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:08.040 writ large. 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:09.120 No I mean, if. 0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:12.160 You want to win and you nominate someone who's just 0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:17.160 not that charismatic, like they are politicians for a reason, right, 0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:21.000 I mean, it's called a politician, not like our friend 0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:22.080 or our body. 0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:24.360 So I just love you to talk that through with me. 0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:28.960 Yeah, you know, I think our party too often makes 0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:33.879 the mistake and rewrites, redoes history and thinking that it's 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:38.040 whoever's turn is next. And it's deeply frustrating to me. 0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:38.360 You know. 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.600 I know that there are some who think that the 0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:44.319 next Senator has to be somebody from Congress, you have 0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:47.160 to have federal experience, and I think that that is 0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:51.520 wholly untrue. I do believe that experience matters. And in 0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:54.240 this primary, we've got somebody who's a member of Congress. 0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:56.000 We have me, and we have somebody who's never held 0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:59.800 public office before. I have learned a lot about how 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.480 to serve in the minority in the State Senate, where 0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:06.000 I served for four years then we flipped control to 0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:08.359 the majority. I've learned how to govern. I know how 0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:11.880 to move legislation. But I would just say that the 0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:14.759 more that I've gotten to know people, I think that 0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.359 that perception has shifted that there was a lot of 0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:21.759 expectation that my opponent would be the front runner, and 0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:24.359 by most metrics, that hasn't been the case. You know, 0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:27.520 I am now the front runner for a reason. And 0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:30.000 it's interesting as we talk about the auto rescue that 0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:33.839 you brought up, that is certainly a huge part of 0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:36.520 her background and her story. I was on the other 0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:38.840 end of that coin. I mean, I went to college 0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:41.400 to get a degree in industrial design. I designed a 0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:44.320 concept car when I was still in college. We built 0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:47.160 it live on stage, full scale, at an auto show. 0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:50.640 And then I graduated in two thousand and eight and 0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:53.960 everything collapsed and I had no job, and I had 0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:56.719 no health insurance, and I had nowhere to live, and 0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:59.959 I applied to three hundred jobs and the only job 0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:02.680 that I could get for a long time was folding 0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:06.120 clothes for minimum wage. I think that lived experience matters. 0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:07.840 I mean, when I talk to people all across the 0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:12.600 state who lived through the collapse of the auto industry, 0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:15.160 it's a very different experience being on the other end 0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:18.760 of it. And there are people who have simply given 0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:21.759 up not only on Democrats, but on politics and on 0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:25.120 government and on institutions. Because you can do everything right, 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:26.799 and you can play by the rules, and you can 0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:29.360 work hard and you can come out the other end drowning. 0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:33.600 And I bring that experience into all of my work. 0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:37.120 And I think that people can see themselves in this 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:40.359 campaign because it's not just about beating Donald Trump. It's 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:43.680 not just about putting out press releases or press conferences 0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:47.319 or messaging bills. We got to rebuild this country so 0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:51.520 that it actually works for people. And I think you 0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:53.680 see that in the trajectory of this campaign. 0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:56.680 I wonder if you could talk for a minute about 0:36:56.719 --> 0:37:00.840 the speech that made you famous, because that's when I 0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:03.040 met you, right, That's when I met you. That's when 0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:05.360 I met Ray. I want you talk about the speech 0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:07.839 it made you famous, because it's not so often that 0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:12.640 a state rep becomes a household name for a speech 0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:13.280 on the floor. 0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:15.600 Yeah, I mean it was wild. So this is twenty 0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:18.240 twenty two, so it's already we're going on, oh my god, 0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:22.839 four years ago. And this was during my first term 0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:25.799 in the State Senate. It was a frustrating term. I mean, 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.560 I got elected in twenty eighteen, came in in twenty nineteen. 0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:31.480 I was serving in the minority because I had flipped 0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:36.200 a district against an incumbent. The Republican leadership had decided 0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:38.000 no bill with my name on it was ever going 0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:40.279 to pass. It didn't matter how good it was or 0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:43.680 how bipartisan it was. So a few years into the term, 0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:48.040 and mind you, we had gone through COVID and protests 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:50.440 in our state capitol where we had armed gunmen in 0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:54.200 our gallery. It was rough. And I woke up one 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:56.920 morning in twenty twenty two to find out that a 0:37:57.000 --> 0:38:00.120 Republican colleague had sent out a fundraising email four or 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:03.680 herself accusing me by name of wanting to groom and 0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.400 sexualize kindergarteners and wanting eight year olds to believe they 0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:10.040 were responsible for slavery, and just the worst of the 0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:12.040 Trump brand of politics. 0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:16.960 I was so very stupid and very stupid. Very stupid, Yeah. 0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:20.399 Very stupid. It is. You know, there's this idea that 0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:22.440 you can just call people whatever you want and there 0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:27.280 are no consequences. But it really hurt. I remember trying 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:29.600 to figure out how I was going to respond and 0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:32.520 what I was going to do. And I had resigned 0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:34.759 myself that I wasn't going to run for reelection and 0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:36.719 that I was in a pretty dark place thinking that 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:38.480 I had failed at this job, and I had let 0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:41.840 everybody down who had knocked doors for me and supported 0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:44.160 me in that first campaign. So I thought this was 0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:46.000 going to be the last speech I ever give in 0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:48.440 this job. And I came to the floor the next day, 0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:50.520 and it was really intentional that I wanted to respond 0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:52.799 to her in person because part of the email she 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:54.880 accused me of being a social media troll, and I 0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:58.640 wanted her to see me face to face. And I 0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:01.360 came to the floor and and you know, this was 0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:03.640 during the rise of Moms for Liberty and all of 0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:07.000 these groups that were claiming to stand for parents rights. 0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:08.880 I was the mom of a one year old at 0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:12.279 the time, and I took back my own identity and 0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:15.319 I said, I'm a straight, white Christian, married suburban mom 0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:17.640 who knows hate only wins when people like me let 0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:20.400 it happen. And oh, by the way, people who are 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:23.120 different are not the reason your healthcare costs are too high, 0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:25.160 or why our roads are in disrepair, why we have 0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:28.000 a housing crisis, or why teachers are leaving the profession. 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:31.000 And I put the video of the speech online, thinking 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:34.280 that's it, and then jokes on me. Tens of millions 0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:36.719 of people saw it within twenty four hours, and I 0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:41.120 was on CNN and MSNBC Now, ms NOW and Fox 0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:43.840 News called me liberal Karen with a headband. 0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:46.439 That's right, you did have a headband well, and it was. 0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:48.360 You know, it was funny. I was postpartum at that 0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:51.319 point and I had for terrible hair loss, so that's 0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:53.719 why it was up in a headband. But the response 0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:58.160 that I got to that speech it was months. Even 0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:00.120 just this week, I don't know why. I've started to 0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:02.680 see it recirculating again online. It feels like every few 0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:04.600 months it kind of comes back and it picks up steam. 0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:09.600 And people wrote me their life story. My po box 0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:13.239 was stuffed with letters for months and months on end, 0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:16.880 and I would get emails from Republicans and Democrats and 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:19.600 people who were furious, people who are religious, people who 0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:23.320 are not religious, who just said thank you. And I 0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:26.319 was dragged back into this work in a really unexpected 0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:29.080 way because I realized, Okay, I've just been handed a 0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:32.759 spotlight and we can choose to do something with it. 0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:37.080 So I brought on Liz Smith. My husband connected with her, 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:39.080 actually DMed her and said, do you want to talk 0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:41.120 to my wife? We came up with this plan of 0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:43.480 what if we tried to raise a million dollars to 0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:47.000 help flip the state Senate, Because, like the speech is great, 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:49.719 but we had to prove that this tactic didn't work, 0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:51.480 and the only way to do that was we got 0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:54.040 to take away their power. And we ended up raising 0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:56.560 millions of dollars into a state pack that i'd opened. 0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:58.919 I supported a dozen other candidates running for state Senate, 0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:01.520 brought my volunteers all across the state, and we helped 0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:03.680 flip control of the State Senate for the first time 0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:06.719 in my entire lifetime. So I think it's all of 0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:08.960 that that I bring with me into this campaign. It 0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:12.160 is communication, It's knowing how to throw a punch, but 0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:15.759 doing it strategically, because at the end of day, it's 0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:19.680 not about going viral. It's about building power to actually 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:25.000 fight back against these people and past policies that help people. 0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:28.799 You have gotten some pushback from one of the other 0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:31.960 candidates on your stance on ice. Talk us through what 0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:35.680 you're thinking is on ice? Also is ice in Michigan 0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:36.320 right now? 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:37.359 Yeah? They are. 0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:42.440 They are in Romulus, which is downriver in Detroit. Ice 0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:46.799 actually outbid an auto supplier, a Toyota Auto supplier to 0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:50.400 buy a warehouse to open a new detention center. So 0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:52.880 I just I want everybody to really grapple with the 0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:56.799 Trump administration is taking jobs and economic development away from 0:41:56.840 --> 0:42:02.080 a community that needs it to hows human beings in 0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:05.480 a warehouse? So I will be out at a protest 0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:10.680 on Monday. They're opening an operations facility in Southfield outside 0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:14.960 of Detroit. We have a detention center in Baldwin where 0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:17.520 you know, over eighty five percent of the people housed 0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:21.719 in that detention center have no criminal conviction whatsoever. There 0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:25.400 was a dad who was picked up, who owns a 0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:28.440 painting company that's done nothing wrong, picked up when he 0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:30.480 dropped his kid off at school. Hasn't been seen in 0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:32.959 a year. Out in Grand Rapids. Another dad was picked 0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:35.399 up after dropping his kid off at the bus. So 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:39.000 the entire bus full of kids watched this happen. And 0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:41.799 what I say is is unequivocal. Ice needs to be 0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:44.520 out of our communities. Immediately, get him off of our streets. 0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:46.279 They are not doing their jobs. We do not need 0:42:46.440 --> 0:42:51.160 roving patrols of secret police terrorizing our communities and frankly 0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:54.840 making the job of local law enforcement that much harder 0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:58.600 because they're eroding and breaking the trust that that law 0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:01.319 enforcement officers work so hard to build. And then, you know, 0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:04.480 I have been echoing the calls of people like Chris 0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:07.560 Murphy to say, you know, the Senate holds the power 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:11.279 right now and should deny DHS a single penny more 0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:15.240 until you know, not even nibbling around the edges on reforms, 0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:19.319 but a complete overhaul of this agency from the ground up. 0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:21.759 Fire christin home fire, any of the agents who have 0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:24.760 been hired in the last year, who haven't had proper vetting, 0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:28.280 who haven't had proper training. Make sure there are strict 0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:33.239 use of force protocols and actual ramifications if those are violated, 0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:38.879 end roving patrols period reassert our constitutional rights to our 0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:42.399 homes not being entered without a judicial warrant. Make sure 0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:44.759 there's training, and there's vetting. I mean, all of that. 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:48.120 You have to rebuild it completely, and the Senate has 0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:51.080 the power to do that right now. I know the 0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:54.160 criticism from my opponent that you're talking about it sounds 0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:57.920 nice to yell slogans. It does, but Democrats don't have 0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:01.320 the power right now. Democrats don't control the Congress, Democrats 0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:04.319 don't control the Senate. Democrats don't control the presidency. The 0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.719 leverage that they have, and this is where experience as 0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:11.279 a legislator matters, is in the budget, and you got 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:15.000 to use that budget to extract every change that we 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.560 need so that this agency does what it's supposed to do, 0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:21.560 which is immigrations and customs enforcement, not terrorizing our communities. 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:24.680 Do you also think, and this is a real question 0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:28.840 for Democrats for winning in the twenty twenty eight cycle, 0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:33.680 one of the things we saw was that during primaries, 0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:38.720 candidates were pushed to take positions that might be more 0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:42.360 like our dream positions, but positions that if you're running 0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:47.280 in a purple state for the Senate against a senator 0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:50.840 who is not a complete lunatic, might be used against 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:52.040 you later in the campaign. 0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:55.440 I think that's right. I just fundamentally believe like rhetoric 0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:57.480 is nice and it makes you feel good, but we 0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:00.960 have to think about results. How do you actually make 0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:03.040 the change that you want to see? And you're right, 0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:07.520 especially on purple state. Alyssa. Slotkin barely won against this 0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:10.239 same guy who's running again last cycle. So he comes 0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:13.560 into this race with universal name ID and mind you, 0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:16.279 he had been a congressman in Michigan years ago, so 0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:20.839 people already knew him and our party, Democrats, I mean 0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:24.279 to win, we have to acknowledge people do want safe communities, 0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:28.120 they want immigration laws enforce. We need steep overhaul of 0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:31.279 our immigration system to make sure that it's fair, that 0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:34.120 there are pathways to citizenship, that we can continue to 0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:36.799 attract the best and brightest to this country. And we 0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:39.000 need secure borders. Michigan is a border state. A lot 0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:42.720 of people forget that, and what this agency is doing 0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:46.080 is not law enforcement. It's not and they had the 0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:49.040 steepest increase of anything in our federal budget at the 0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:53.040 same moment where the Trump administration is slashing Medicaid, Medicare, 0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:56.880 Social Security snap benefits, saying we can't have any of 0:45:56.880 --> 0:46:00.200 these benefits, but we're going to allow secret police go 0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:03.600 and terrorize and you know, shoot and kill Americans with 0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:06.799 no consequences. Two of those things can be true simultaneously. 0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:09.880 Now there are silver linings. There's a mayor here, the 0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:12.359 mayor of Sterling Heights, which is in Macomb County, deep 0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:16.120 red Trump country. He is a Republican turned independent, and 0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:18.680 he gave his state of the City address recently where 0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:22.120 he meants no words about Ice and said that Ice 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:25.839 is making the job of law enforcement almost impossible and 0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:28.880 that world would he ever turn over any resident of 0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:31.880 his city too, in his words, those monsters. 0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:32.839 And this is a Republican. 0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:36.120 This is a Republican And so that has to be 0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:40.400 where we step in to recognize there is broad agreement 0:46:40.800 --> 0:46:44.960 across the aisle that what ICE is doing is not 0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:50.000 law enforcement and it's not its duty. But Democrats also 0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:53.759 have to recognize we need to step in and say, yes, 0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:55.799 we have to enforce our laws. We have to have 0:46:55.880 --> 0:47:00.120 safe communities, we have to have sensible immigration policies, we 0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:02.040 need to secure our border, and those things are not 0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:04.160 at odds with each other. That is the only way 0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:07.800 you win a state like Michigan and build an actual 0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:08.920 coalition to govern. 0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:11.200 This is a primary way. You have pushed back from 0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:14.279 the laugh I like the doctor, I've interviewed him. He's 0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:17.840 really great, but you know he's very ensconced he's a 0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:21.439 Bernie candidate, etc. And then you have pushed back from 0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:23.080 whoever Haley Stevens is for. 0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:25.640 It is kind of amazing that you're doing. 0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.360 So wow, isn't this not how it's supposed to be 0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:29.800 in a Democratic primary. 0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:33.000 Well, I think it just the way you sort of 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:37.120 frame that up, and I feel like national reporters watching 0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:39.000 this race, you know, this has been called the most 0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:41.360 fascinating primary in the country. In the future of the 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:43.319 Democratic Party is going to depend on what happens in 0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:47.040 this race. That there is this like desire to put 0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:50.160 the three of us in a clear lane. That's just 0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:54.080 not how regular people think. I mean, there are people 0:47:54.160 --> 0:47:57.279 here who voted for Rick Snyder and Gretchen Whitmer. There 0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:00.000 are people who voted for Bernie Sanders and Donald Trum. 0:48:00.440 --> 0:48:03.200 You do not register by party in Michigan. We have 0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:05.840 open primaries, so you walk into your polling place, you 0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:08.440 will get a ballot that has the Democratic primary, the 0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:11.120 Republican party. You pick a lane on the spot in 0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:14.560 which one I want to vote in. And Michiganers are 0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:19.279 fiercely independent and like to make decisions for themselves. So 0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:22.600 my theory of the case was, let's reject the lanes 0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:27.840 and the Democratic Party needs to build the broadest coalition possible, 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:32.239 and we need to pick up independence Republicans who are 0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:35.239 not mega Republicans because that is the only way we 0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:37.480 win here. That is how I won my first election. 0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:39.880 That's how I swung a district twenty points by picking 0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:42.759 up a lot of Mitt Romney Republicans who had never 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:45.400 voted for a Democrat before. That's how we flipped control 0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:49.200 of the entire state Senate in a purple state. That 0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:53.560 is the way forward. So I am really proud of 0:48:53.600 --> 0:48:56.880 my team for executing. I mean, we work our assets 0:48:56.920 --> 0:48:59.319 off on this campaign. We're doing more public events than 0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:02.560 anybody else, and it shows. We had an event out 0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:05.719 in Grand Rapids, which not always a Democratic stronghold and 0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:10.360 still isn't. It's trending blue, but it's Betsy Davos's hometown, 0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:15.320 and we had an event to announce state Senate majority 0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:18.440 leader winning Brinks endorsing me. We held it at a brewery. 0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:21.160 There was a line around the block and there were 0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:23.200 people who told us they were waiting to get in, 0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:25.520 and eventually they had to go home because they just 0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:27.799 couldn't get in. And that's that's a great sign. But 0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:32.040 that to me is people are looking for rational, reasonable, 0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:35.239 somebody who understands me and what I'm going through and 0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:39.120 who isn't so wed to like a political purity test 0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:41.520 of a lane, because that's not how you get shit 0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:43.000 done in a place like Michigan. 0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:47.719 Thank you, Mallory, Thank you, Molly. 0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:53.759 No. Rick Wilson, Hello Molly, it's that time. 0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:54.719 It's that time. 0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:58.719 Donald Trump has told Netflix to remove Susan Rice from 0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:04.160 its board or quote face the consequences, because nothing says 0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:08.719 democracy like picking on corporate boards. 0:50:09.000 --> 0:50:09.800 Discuss. 0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:11.600 Well, let's say this. 0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:13.640 When Susan Rice came out and said, we're gonna have 0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:15.640 to have a period of like national reconciliation when all 0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:18.480 this is over, she is absolutely correct, and she put 0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:23.440 it about as mildly as possible, because mine involves tumbrels, pitchforks, 0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:24.759 torches and guillotines. 0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:27.200 Hers is just like woll we got to talk this through. 0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:33.040 But Donald Trump had an absolute hissy fit explosion. You know, 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:37.000 nethinks very liberal must be destroyed because Susan Rice came 0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:39.279 out and spoke the truth. And I think this is 0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:42.799 one more of these examples where if Barack Obama had 0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:46.520 been mad at a Republican on a board somewhere instead something, imagine, 0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:49.000 Fox News would have a twenty four hour a day, 0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:54.040 you know, authoritarian watch. And this is exactly the kind 0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:56.760 of fuckery that Trump is throwing out there to please 0:50:56.800 --> 0:51:00.080 his base and to keep his control over corporate America, 0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:02.480 which so far has been very effective. 0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:06.480 Yeah, and again, Trump is an autocrat who has been 0:51:06.600 --> 0:51:11.960 winning and winning. And from Jeff Bezos to Mark Zuckerberg, 0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:16.400 the people who have sat at his inauguration, they have 0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:17.960 made this possible. 0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:20.680 Donald Trump is a monster you created. 0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:21.200 Hey. 0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:24.120 Look, these guys have built a system, and they told 0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:27.480 us this system is perfectly good and legal and fine. 0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:31.120 It is the desirable system by which power is exercised 0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:34.760 in corporate America, by the White House, by the executive Okay, fine, 0:51:34.800 --> 0:51:38.440 that's great. Alex Karp from Pollenteer and Sam Altman from 0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:40.440 Open AI and all these other people that have been 0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:43.120 massive supporters of Donald Trump, when the jackboot is on 0:51:43.160 --> 0:51:44.640 the other foot, I don't want them to say a 0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:45.360 fucking word. 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:48.440 I'm sure they'll be totally cool. Oh yeah, thank you, 0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:50.239 see it soon. 0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:55.360 That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 0:51:55.560 --> 0:52:01.560 every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday. Here the best minds 0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:05.480 and politics make sense of all this chaos. If you 0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:09.000 enjoy this podcast, please send it to a friend and 0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:10.520 keep the conversation going. 0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:12.120 Thanks for listening.