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Speaker 1: The Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us to discuss
Speaker 1: the DOJ hiding files that might implicate Trump. Then we'll
Speaker 1: talk to Michigan Senate Democratic primary candidate Malloy mcmarrow about
Speaker 1: her run for Michigan's open Senate seat.
Speaker 2: But first, The News.
Speaker 3: Somalie said Scotis told Trump that he's a reckless, not
Speaker 3: constitution abiding president about his tariffs. He has decided he
Speaker 3: will exercise that power because he loves tariffs so much
Speaker 3: to make a global tariff eighteen percent from ten percent immediately.
Speaker 1: So Donald Trump lost against the Supreme Court. Two of
Speaker 1: his three justices cided against him. Was only Justice Kegstand
Speaker 1: Kavanaugh joining the Fox News triumpherent of Thomas and Alito,
Speaker 1: who will let Donald Trump do anything he wants forever
Speaker 1: and ever and ever. So Justice keg Stand in his descent,
Speaker 1: said there are other ways to do what you want
Speaker 1: to do, big boss, and suggested that there was this workaround. Again, Look,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump did these tariffs through this emergency executive order
Speaker 1: which used in emergency powers that never used the word tariff.
Speaker 2: Done dun dun duh.
Speaker 1: And again Justice Roberts used the major case doctrine, which
Speaker 1: is the thing he used to tell Biden he couldn't
Speaker 1: cancel a student loan debt, to tell Trump that he
Speaker 1: didn't have the authority to do these.
Speaker 2: Tariffs Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: By the way, tariff's unpopular, inflationary, not helping manufacturing. The
Speaker 1: only thing they're doing is helping Donald Trump be the
Speaker 1: autocrat he dreams of being. This would have been an
Speaker 1: off ramp. This is an excellent off ramp. But because
Speaker 1: Donald Trump can never take an off ramp, just like
Speaker 1: we saw in Minnesota when Ice murdered two American citizens,
Speaker 1: just like we've saw we've seen again and again during
Speaker 1: Trump's first and second terms, he can never take an
Speaker 1: off ramp.
Speaker 2: So instead of taking the.
Speaker 1: Off ramp and being like, oh well, Supreme Court said,
Speaker 1: I can't do it. He has doubled down, and he
Speaker 1: did this Mussolini esque, as Rick Wilson says later on presser,
Speaker 1: where he went on and on and on about how
Speaker 1: disappointed he was with those two Supreme courtresses who don't
Speaker 1: love America, and then he went on to effectively put
Speaker 1: a tempresent tariff, and then he hiked it to fifteen.
Speaker 2: And who knows what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Because if there's one thing we know about Donald Trumpetz
Speaker 1: that he hates acting rationally and he's a very sensitive guy.
Speaker 1: So expect more uncertainty and craziness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it almost feels like the oppositional defiant disorder is
Speaker 3: very real in that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his behavior is irrational and so it's never going
Speaker 1: to make any sense.
Speaker 2: And that's where we are speaking of.
Speaker 3: Thank you for setting me up with that. So the
Speaker 3: DHS has now reversed on their TSA pre check pause
Speaker 3: as the snowstorm that we're about to endure heads in.
Speaker 3: I don't know how it's looking in your part of
Speaker 3: New York, body, but they looking good over here in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Yes, I saw this when we're talking about what we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about now in the podcast, and it says,
Speaker 1: DHS reverses on TSA PreCheck pause and I was like,
Speaker 1: wait a second. I thought TSA was paused because somebody
Speaker 1: else had been completed. Need to me about how they
Speaker 1: were going to pause TSA and you were like, no, no,
Speaker 1: but they've unpaused it, and there we go. So last Sunday,
Speaker 1: TSA PreCheck remained operational with no change for the traveling public.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. There's a DHS shutdown. You may
Speaker 1: know about this. It was because ICE has become a
Speaker 1: completely unchecked militia that serves the president and searches people's
Speaker 1: houses and wears masks and kills people. Americans don't like it,
Speaker 1: and Democrats are trying to renegotiate some common sense reforms,
Speaker 1: like they shouldn't wear masks and be the guestapo. Republicans
Speaker 1: are really offended by the idea of even trying to
Speaker 1: negotiate anything. Airgo here we are. Look, I just want
Speaker 1: to say that Donald Trump has billions of dollars for
Speaker 1: both the Department of Defense and for ICE enforcement.
Speaker 2: In the BBB.
Speaker 1: These two parts of the government have billions. While they've
Speaker 1: caught cancer research for children, you know, children's cancer research
Speaker 1: there's no money for that, but there's tons and tons
Speaker 1: and tons of money for President Trump's police force. They
Speaker 1: are buying up warehouses in which they will wear house
Speaker 1: human beings.
Speaker 2: And that is why.
Speaker 1: I say to you, there's money for the TSA PreCheck,
Speaker 1: thank you. I think there's also money for children's cancer research.
Speaker 1: But then again I'm a libtard.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, this ted talk is not going over well with them, Molly.
Speaker 3: In Trump's continued demented foreign policy towards Greenland, we now
Speaker 3: have Greenland's leader saying no thanks to Trump's US hospital vote.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this is a pretty great little insane bid here.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump up late on the internet two things that
Speaker 1: never mean anything good. He is very into AI and
Speaker 1: posts a picture of a boat trying to appeal to Greenland.
Speaker 1: And so he says that he's going to send a
Speaker 1: US hospital boat. He was his two hospital boats that
Speaker 1: are both in dry dock. So he is going to
Speaker 1: take a little while unless he's going to send a
Speaker 1: Disney Cruz with some.
Speaker 2: Doctors on it, which again not impossible. I'd believe it
Speaker 2: if I reddits exactly.
Speaker 1: And I want to point out that in this weird
Speaker 1: truth AI thing, he says working with the fantastic governor
Speaker 1: of Louisiana. Louisiana, which is a state known for its healthcare. Right,
Speaker 1: he's going to send the hospital boat to Greenland.
Speaker 3: So also known for its close proximity to Greenland. Real
Speaker 3: direct roots. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, but also I think it's important to realize that
Speaker 1: Louisiana is one of the ten worst states for healthcare.
Speaker 2: Yes, you might be okay in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: There's a pretty good hospital teaching hospital in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Otherwise, I think you probably want to go to North Carolina.
Speaker 2: So that's why I say to you, this is an
Speaker 2: insane thing for Donald Trump to truth.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Denmark, Greenland they are laughing at us.
Speaker 1: The leaders of Denmark and the Arctic Territory thought it
Speaker 1: was pretty funny that Donald Trump was going to lecture
Speaker 1: them about healthcare, and the Greenlandic Prime Minister said that
Speaker 1: will be a big no thanks from us, And I
Speaker 1: think it's an important point. They reiterated that healthcare is
Speaker 1: actually free in Denmark. Well, it is not free in
Speaker 1: the United States.
Speaker 3: Fun times. So you may remember one Jisland Maxwell from
Speaker 3: getting special treatment in prison from mister Donald Trump. And
Speaker 3: now we see that she's fighting the release of documents
Speaker 3: from Virginia Jeffrey's civil defamation lawsuit because it may not
Speaker 3: go so well for her keeping her cushy place of
Speaker 3: the sun in prison.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know that we spend enough time talking
Speaker 1: about this. Glad Maxwell Well is not in the prison
Speaker 1: she was in before she met with Todd Blanche. She
Speaker 1: met with Todd Blanche, Todd Blanche said you deserved to
Speaker 1: be in a nicer prison and moved her to a
Speaker 1: nicer prison where she can raise puppies and hang out
Speaker 1: with Elizabeth Holmes. Why did Todd Blanche move her to
Speaker 1: a nicer, lower security prison.
Speaker 3: I think the next segment of this podcast, where you
Speaker 3: talk to Rick is a very good clue that they
Speaker 3: would make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think it's worth realizing that, like Gillane
Speaker 1: really wants not to have people see anymore how involved
Speaker 1: she is with this, and she is really involved with us.
Speaker 1: And when you listen to if you haven't listened to
Speaker 1: Saturday's interview with Maria Farmer, please please do because in
Speaker 1: it she talks about how horrible Gollane Maxwell was to
Speaker 1: her and how horrible she was the other girls and
Speaker 1: how guilty she is in this. But anyway, Maxwell's lawyers
Speaker 1: are fighting the request to release ninety thousand pages related
Speaker 1: to Epstein and Maxwell. And by the way, she already
Speaker 1: is so horrendous. Who even knows the lawyers filed the
Speaker 1: papers on Friday. This is from a civil defamation suit
Speaker 1: brought a decade ago by Virginia Geufrey. You know, Maria
Speaker 1: Farmer talks about Virginia Geufrey and how she really did
Speaker 1: spend her life trying to fight back against Golane and Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: and how you know she gave up her life for
Speaker 1: this and she died last year right before her book
Speaker 1: came out. So I hope that all.
Speaker 2: Of these files get released.
Speaker 1: Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project and
Speaker 1: the host of the Emmy's List. Rick Wilson Epstein files
Speaker 1: are They're like a rorshack, really given that keeps on giving.
Speaker 1: Our friend who used to work at The Daily Beast,
Speaker 1: Roger Sallenberger, has very reporter has discovered a a list
Speaker 1: explain what this is because it's a little bit complicated.
Speaker 5: Roger has discovered a number of files that the DOJ
Speaker 5: tried to redact once they were.
Speaker 4: Were known to exist.
Speaker 5: Yes, the DOJ has decided they're going to pull them offline.
Speaker 5: Why would they do this, Well, they do this in
Speaker 5: part because in these files there are confidential informant reports
Speaker 5: and other information that say that it was reported that
Speaker 5: Donald Trump had had sex with a minor child.
Speaker 1: DJ deleted record revealing that Maxwell holds potential blackmail.
Speaker 5: That's correct, and well, that's what I was getting to
Speaker 5: is as And the other part of this that I
Speaker 5: think really bothers Trump and Todd Blanche, et cetera, is
Speaker 5: that what they were what they redacted, was stuff that
Speaker 5: was given to Galaine Maxwell in discovery for her trust, right,
Speaker 5: and somehow or another, Pam BONDI decided that she would
Speaker 5: pull this information offline even though it's the hottest piece
Speaker 5: of smoke and blackmail material that you could have imagined
Speaker 5: in the hands of of Glayne Maxwell.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: I just find it. I find it fascinating that, as
Speaker 5: I always find it fascinating. I guess that the Trump
Speaker 5: folks really think that at this day and age, in
Speaker 5: what we have in the world we have that includes
Speaker 5: the Internet, they're going to delete something and make it
Speaker 5: magically disappear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean it goes back to the release
Speaker 1: of these files period paragraph And there was really good
Speaker 1: reporting this week in the Wall Street Journal. Josh Dowcy,
Speaker 1: who used to kill it at the Washington Post.
Speaker 4: Before great work this week.
Speaker 1: Bezos ruined the Washington Post and now he works at
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal, which has really good reporting, and
Speaker 1: he talks about how botch the release was. And there
Speaker 1: was a lot of files that were for example, they
Speaker 1: redacted the name Leslie Waxner because they thought Leslie might
Speaker 1: have been a woman's name.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Sure, that's exactly plausible in every way, and everybody believes
Speaker 5: that completely.
Speaker 4: That's just super super.
Speaker 5: Likely that somehow the world's the captain of the world's
Speaker 5: most giant pedophile ring. It's just mistakenly knew someone. Was
Speaker 5: she on his majong list or something. Get the fuck
Speaker 5: out of here.
Speaker 1: And and just for another minute on les Waxner, there
Speaker 1: was he did this really long deposition last week in
Speaker 1: which his lawyer kept telling him to shut the fuck up.
Speaker 5: I believe the phrase was was I will fucking kill
Speaker 5: you if you say more than five words to any answer. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And she seems striking to me that the lawyer might
Speaker 5: have had a level of concern that a that an
Speaker 5: innocent man might not have had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it definitely seemed like And I want
Speaker 1: to like talk about Les wax Her for another minute,
Speaker 1: because we did this interview yesterday for the podcast with
Speaker 1: Maria Farmer.
Speaker 2: Maria Farmer is the first person.
Speaker 1: To ever come out against Epstein in a criminal complaint
Speaker 1: for the FBI and also the NYPD. She has cancer
Speaker 1: now and is quite sick, so we didn't do it
Speaker 1: on camera and she can't travel.
Speaker 2: And it's worth listening to this interview.
Speaker 1: Jesse said he was crying when we taped it. It
Speaker 1: just is the story of how these women's lives were
Speaker 1: ruined by Jeffrey and Lass and whoever else, you know.
Speaker 1: So I think it's worth listening to. And we forget
Speaker 1: about the victims, you.
Speaker 4: Know, mind, I think that's really an important point here, because.
Speaker 5: Their stories are when you and I've interviewed a couple,
Speaker 5: and you've interviewed a couple, and their stories have this
Speaker 5: sort of sameness about them, but also the pain is individualized.
Speaker 4: They were all victims.
Speaker 5: Of this system that this guy and his and claim
Speaker 5: Maxwell and their friends enabled and empowered and ran. But
Speaker 5: you know, the individual abuses they all suffered are just
Speaker 5: so horrific and so like you hear you, you hear
Speaker 5: these stories and it's just like it's so heartbreaking and
Speaker 5: in every level. And I just find it unaccountable that
Speaker 5: I go back to this again, that Pam Bondi would
Speaker 5: not even look them in the face during that last
Speaker 5: congressional hearing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know Pam Bondi who was famous for when
Speaker 1: she was early in her career before she ruined herself
Speaker 1: with Trump as many a person does in the Republican.
Speaker 4: Party, as has been known to happen.
Speaker 2: So yes, I.
Speaker 1: Think there's a there's a phrase that describes it.
Speaker 4: Maybe, Yes, I've heard it before about am people dying.
Speaker 1: From Yeah, yeah Trump, I heard it.
Speaker 2: But she had actually cut an ad against child trafficking.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: She did, and and that ad was directed by my
Speaker 5: old business partner, Adam Goodman. Pam Bondie her big things
Speaker 5: were child trafficking and as she used to say, busting
Speaker 5: up gangs and criminal elements. Yeah, and yet it seems
Speaker 5: the criminal element gets more Pam Bondi's attention and deference
Speaker 5: than the victims.
Speaker 1: In this day, I think that we still haven't seen
Speaker 1: the end of the Ebstein files. You know, there's still
Speaker 1: millions of documents that are being gone through. There are
Speaker 1: unindicted code conspirators who will eventually their names will be redected.
Speaker 5: We'll become they will become indicted conspirators at some point.
Speaker 5: I am hoping, as an American and as a human
Speaker 5: that we will see at some point a Department of Justice,
Speaker 5: if not this one, bring them to account.
Speaker 1: I also wonder when we look at this story, how
Speaker 1: much you know things don't change until they do, right.
Speaker 1: The Epstein files don't get released until they do. People
Speaker 1: don't turn on a president until they do, and they
Speaker 1: turn on him. And I'm reminded of the moments before
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter and the moments before me too, when
Speaker 1: the culture hit a boiling point, and I think we're
Speaker 1: there now again, I think.
Speaker 5: We're actually past that boiling point now. Weirdly enough, I'm
Speaker 5: seeing a convergence of anti Trump and pro Trump people
Speaker 5: pissed off in the same way about the Epstein matter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 5: I mean I feel like there is a I feel
Speaker 5: like the world has changed in a I don't want
Speaker 5: to say fundamental way, but a meaningful way.
Speaker 2: Well it's me too again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but the idea that so many of these people
Speaker 5: are now like, yeah, Trump lied to me. He told
Speaker 5: me he was going to release these files. And these
Speaker 5: people really do care about this issue. It is a
Speaker 5: real issue for these voters who believe that he was
Speaker 5: going to protect the children from the pedophiles. M hm,
Speaker 5: and now he's protecting the pedophiles from the victims and
Speaker 5: the children.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 5: It's sickening, but yeah, but it's definitionally amazing as well
Speaker 5: to see an entire administration fully devoted to ensuring that
Speaker 5: the relevant information that's hidden in these files is never
Speaker 5: seen by the public.
Speaker 4: Yeah, blows my mind.
Speaker 2: It's still going.
Speaker 1: So you have these hearings that are going to take
Speaker 1: place at mar A Lago, that Garcia and that oversight
Speaker 1: is dealing with, right, and so I think there will
Speaker 1: be more and we also just have endless documents coming.
Speaker 4: We're going to say nothing of the three million that
Speaker 4: are still hidden.
Speaker 1: Yes, and there's probably more and the videos, but we
Speaker 1: need to talk. And I also think when we talk
Speaker 1: about I just want for one more second on this subject,
Speaker 1: we talk about Les Wexner. I think it's important to
Speaker 1: remember that Waxner is a major GOP donor.
Speaker 4: And considered John Husted out of Ohio.
Speaker 2: There's running against share Brown, running against.
Speaker 5: Share Brown just took a hundred grand from Wes Westerner,
Speaker 5: And to my knowledge, Mom, maybe you can correct me
Speaker 5: if I'm wrong on this, I'm wrong, But to my knowledge,
Speaker 5: he has not given that money back, nor will he.
Speaker 4: I don't yeah, yeah, I don't think that. I don't
Speaker 4: think the odds are high that he will.
Speaker 1: No, I do not think so. On Friday, Donald Trump
Speaker 1: was betrayed. Why his Supreme Court justices Justice Amy and
Speaker 1: Justice Gorsich. You know, they were put in there to
Speaker 1: do trump S bidding and they just hate America, discuss.
Speaker 4: Very bad, very wrong.
Speaker 5: And this is one of the most novel Trumpian theories
Speaker 5: I've ever heard. Molly, Suddenly the Supreme Court is affected
Speaker 5: by foreign influence.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what, what?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 5: Because because Donald Trump can't come up with another explanation,
Speaker 5: why Amy, Comy Barrett, and why Neil Gorsich have suddenly
Speaker 5: turned on him and decided to get in bed with
Speaker 5: that horrible influence of foreign powers the constitution of the
Speaker 5: United States.
Speaker 1: It was an amazing at all trumpy moment there where
Speaker 1: Donald Trump said there are good justices on the Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: like Justice in Leido, And.
Speaker 5: If the court is influenced by foreign powers, then every
Speaker 5: vote the foreign those influenced by foreign powers have taken
Speaker 5: so far should be invalidated. And I think he needs
Speaker 5: to go ahead and just say I won't abide by
Speaker 5: any of the decisions that that that this corrupt court
Speaker 5: has made, including Roe v. Wade, and including of course,
Speaker 5: yeah Trump versus us.
Speaker 2: Other than that, I think we're fine.
Speaker 4: I think we're finer than that, right, Donald, Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the things we know about these tariffs is
Speaker 1: that they do not onshore manufacturing because wildly variable teriff
Speaker 1: rates that go on and off with the president's mood
Speaker 1: do not inspire people to build factory.
Speaker 5: No, there's no like, there's no construction index like Donald
Speaker 5: Trump's cyclothymic behavior.
Speaker 2: Build a factory, factory in Alabama or what else.
Speaker 1: So what it's done has just made things more expensive.
Speaker 1: But if you think about tariffs as a tool of
Speaker 1: an autocrat, they make a lot more sense.
Speaker 5: Sure, And and look the disappointment he had at that
Speaker 5: very long castro esque press conference on Friday could not
Speaker 5: have been more palpable. Yeah, you know, he he was
Speaker 5: angry and and I can't I don't know who the
Speaker 5: munchkin he had on the Sunday shows this week was,
Speaker 5: But that guy's attitude was like, well, you know, the
Speaker 5: president is right and all these tariffs are so good,
Speaker 5: and yet Scott Besten sound said, no, nobody's ever going
Speaker 5: to see that money back.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I mean, just like give away the game they're chief.
Speaker 1: I mean, so there's all this tariff money, and the
Speaker 1: tariffs have are now deemed I legal.
Speaker 4: Now seventy seven trigillion brazillion.
Speaker 2: Right, which we're all getting back.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Pritzker wrote a really I think effective tweet which was
Speaker 1: basically like, send a check to each one of my constituents.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we lp. He just put on an ad this
Speaker 4: weekend called It's like pay me dummy.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: He really did promise these tariff checks, MOLLI, including in
Speaker 5: their fundraising emails they were sending out on Friday morning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you think of them as the tool of
Speaker 1: an autocrat, it make a lot more sense. He got
Speaker 1: mad at Switzerland, so he moved the tariff from thirty
Speaker 1: five to thirty seven or thirty two to thirty seven.
Speaker 2: And then you think about tools.
Speaker 4: They him, they gave him a watch or something, and
Speaker 4: he again.
Speaker 1: And if you think of tariffs, and if you think
Speaker 1: of the Trump administration as.
Speaker 2: A kleptocracy, and you.
Speaker 1: Think of Ebstein Files occupant Howard Lutnik.
Speaker 4: Yep business partner of Epstein's.
Speaker 1: According to CBS run by Barry Weiss, opened by David Allison,
Speaker 1: Lutnick's sons have been betting because now you can bet
Speaker 1: on anything because America is basically Las Vegas on these
Speaker 1: tariffs being taken off.
Speaker 2: So the Lutnix suns just made a lot of money.
Speaker 4: Oh it was Lutnik boys. Sure know how to make
Speaker 4: some cash.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they seem really smart.
Speaker 4: They're they're they're like the Trump fellas.
Speaker 5: They just have a golden touch when it comes I'm
Speaker 5: to grifting, kleptocracy.
Speaker 1: I'm almost embarrassed to be a NAPO baby. I'm starting
Speaker 1: to think it might not be such a good look.
Speaker 5: Listen, I gotta tell you nothing about nothing about a
Speaker 5: country where the sons of the powerful overlords are dealing
Speaker 5: in shady financial transactions.
Speaker 4: Nothing, none of that scans as good news. With the
Speaker 4: future of the country.
Speaker 1: My favorite part of last week was when the King
Speaker 1: of England, you may remember England, a country with a king, said.
Speaker 4: That he really all must take its course.
Speaker 2: Yes, his brother was not above the law.
Speaker 1: And even like they may get you know, they're talking
Speaker 1: about the PM of the UK starmer Stormer getting in
Speaker 1: some kind of trouble because he put someone in the
Speaker 1: Epstein files.
Speaker 4: Right, Peter Mandelsson from.
Speaker 2: Peter Mandelsson as a as an ambassador. Meanwhile, our president
Speaker 2: features prominently.
Speaker 5: And yet he somehow comes out every day now and says,
Speaker 5: as if to try to magically make it real, I'm
Speaker 5: completely exonerated.
Speaker 4: I'm innocent.
Speaker 5: I I'm the one who I'm the one who stopped Epstein.
Speaker 1: If you think about Trump as someone who truly believes
Speaker 1: that there is a percentage of his base that only
Speaker 1: listens to him.
Speaker 4: And there they do.
Speaker 2: So every time he's says I'm exonerated, are there are very.
Speaker 4: Group of Americans who say, yeah, he's tolerated. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think if Trump said things like I'm not exonerated.
Speaker 4: No, No, they.
Speaker 5: Have a magical thinking about them now that even when
Speaker 5: he has in the past had to like walk stuff
Speaker 5: back in the n minor ways like during David all right, no, no,
Speaker 5: that's it's forty chess. He's secretly working to whatever, and
Speaker 5: it never seems to it never seems to really catch
Speaker 5: up with him with that small percentage, you know. And
Speaker 5: that percentage used to be thirty five percent. Right now
Speaker 5: it's like twenty. Yeah, and shrinking folks by the day.
Speaker 5: Take that as a piece of good news in the
Speaker 5: in a dark world.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about potentially talented politicians.
Speaker 1: We're in primary season. There are a bunch of primaries
Speaker 1: going and and I don't want to talk about specific
Speaker 1: candidates because I want I have a theory that.
Speaker 2: I want you to talk to us about.
Speaker 1: I think that Democrats get really stuck in the ideological
Speaker 1: purity of their candidates and not so interested in their
Speaker 1: candidates whether or not they're talented.
Speaker 2: And and my theory of the.
Speaker 1: Case, and I want you to tell me if you
Speaker 1: think this is right or wrong, is that I think
Speaker 1: that politicians they kind of don't really believe stuff.
Speaker 2: Let's just be honest here.
Speaker 5: That's true more in the in the in the observance
Speaker 5: than the breach, yes.
Speaker 1: Right, and Republicans are much more nihilists. But Democrats also
Speaker 1: can have their opinions changed. And so do you think
Speaker 1: that democrats are wrong being so focused on the machinations
Speaker 1: of their politicians' opinions and not on the talent of
Speaker 1: said politicians.
Speaker 5: Discuss if you were putting me in charge of this matter.
Speaker 5: Talent is the first, second, third, and tenth criteria for
Speaker 5: these folks. You can have people who are morally perfect
Speaker 5: and correct. If they can't run a race, and they
Speaker 5: can't win a race, what good are they? You're You're
Speaker 5: not helping the party or the country by being by
Speaker 5: being morally pristine. If the choice is between your guy
Speaker 5: who's not perfect and somebody who serves Satan, picks the
Speaker 5: guy who doesn't serve Satan. It doesn't mean that you
Speaker 5: can't believe things. People all believe things, and they should.
Speaker 5: But sometimes you don't say the quiet part out loud.
Speaker 5: Sometimes you run a campaign instead of a struggle session.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and do you think that one of the things
Speaker 1: Democrats can do at this moment is stop doing those fucking.
Speaker 2: Questions? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Never about the question. Listen, Listen.
Speaker 5: I told candidates back in two thousand and two on
Speaker 5: the Republican side, because we had.
Speaker 4: The same purity test. Bullshit happening.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the questionnaires are when different groups.
Speaker 4: Right, And by the way, folks, I'm not attacking them.
Speaker 5: So when the when the Sierra Club or nay row
Speaker 5: or or or Moms Against sends you a questionnaire and
Speaker 5: they demand that you answer it, and they demand you
Speaker 5: tell them every single thing. When Democrats did that and
Speaker 5: I was a Republican, you know what I did ninety
Speaker 5: five percent of the time as a Republican, I'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 5: look what that dumb son of a bit said in
Speaker 5: that and I would know, and I would turn that
Speaker 5: around into negative ads, and those ads would make your
Speaker 5: candidate look like a fucking idiot. Right, This is why
Speaker 5: nobody is served by these questionnaires. Accept the other side.
Speaker 5: And so Democrats, if you're a candidate, don't answer fucking questionnaires.
Speaker 5: And by the way, those groups that go we will
Speaker 5: never endorse you unless you yeah, yeah, they will, Okay,
Speaker 5: if you're a winner, they will if you if you
Speaker 5: show that you're kicking ass, they will.
Speaker 4: None of it matters.
Speaker 5: These people that do this and turn it into a
Speaker 5: pure check thing, fuck them, no, just fuck them.
Speaker 1: Schumer and other members who pick candidates, Yes, do you
Speaker 1: think that they should be picking the most talented candidates
Speaker 1: and not the people that are their.
Speaker 5: Friends always and forever? Pick talent because look, campaigns in
Speaker 5: the old days depended more on the internal game. Can
Speaker 5: this guy raise all the money from the other big
Speaker 5: guys that I know who're going to sit in the
Speaker 5: room and write hundred thousand dollars checks to the party
Speaker 5: committees and all that. Today, campaigns are increasingly being mediated
Speaker 5: by how good you are on television, how good you
Speaker 5: are on YouTube, how good you are on Instagram, how
Speaker 5: good you are on social media. And listen, there are
Speaker 5: a lot of things that Democrats would disqualify James tallerco
Speaker 5: on right, and in a lot of parts of this country,
Speaker 5: Democrats say, no, nope, nope, he's two to the god stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't care for that.
Speaker 5: They would be passing on the most talented single candidate
Speaker 5: I've seen come out of the Democratic field in the
Speaker 5: last decade by an order of magnitude, you know. And
Speaker 5: so if you're gonna, if you're gonna pick candidates, pick
Speaker 5: them because they're good candidates them. Deal with the ideology
Speaker 5: crap later, because most ideological things, most purity tests again, folks,
Speaker 5: I sort of repeat this. The Republican Party has weaponized
Speaker 5: democratic purity tests like champions, and they disqualified Democratic candidates
Speaker 5: in the minds of large percentages of voters, especially in
Speaker 5: red and purple states, based on those said.
Speaker 2: Will you come back?
Speaker 4: You know I will.
Speaker 1: Mallory mcmarrow is a Michigan State senator and a candidate
Speaker 1: in the Democratic Senate primary in the great state of Michigan. Welcome,
Speaker 1: Welcome Allarman Morrow.
Speaker 6: Good to be back.
Speaker 2: So you're running for senate.
Speaker 1: This is three way Senate race, and I want you
Speaker 1: to talk us through. This is the primary. Voting starts.
Speaker 1: When does voting start? Probably start soon, right.
Speaker 6: Well, it's an August primary, so voting starts in June
Speaker 6: for for the August primary.
Speaker 1: So talk us through what your primary looks like. Michigan,
Speaker 1: it's a Senate seat.
Speaker 6: Talk us through us. Sure, So we've got an open
Speaker 6: Senate seat this year with Gary Peters retiring. Mike Rogers
Speaker 6: is very likely the Republican nominee. This is the same
Speaker 6: guy that ran against Alyssa Slotkin last cycle, narrowly lost
Speaker 6: and is back again this time with Trump's full endorsement
Speaker 6: and millions of dollars from all around the country right
Speaker 6: from the get go. On the Democratic side, we have
Speaker 6: a three way Democratic primary with myself, Abdul lsa Ed,
Speaker 6: and Hailey Stevens. I'm excited about it. I mean, I
Speaker 6: knew coming in that I would have the biggest hill
Speaker 6: to climb in terms of building name recognition. One of
Speaker 6: the candidates had run for governor in twenty eighteen, so
Speaker 6: has run statewide before. The other is a sitting member
Speaker 6: of Congress from Metro Detroit who had a contentious primary
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty two. So I had millions of dollars
Speaker 6: spent in the Metro Detroit media market for her. But
Speaker 6: my theory was that once people got to know me
Speaker 6: and my theory of the case, which is that this
Speaker 6: is by no means a normal time, by any stretch
Speaker 6: of the imagination, that operating as if it is is
Speaker 6: simply not going to cut it, and that I have
Speaker 6: both the lived experience as somebody who hasn't spent my
Speaker 6: entire life in politics, but also a track record of
Speaker 6: beating a Republican incumbent to get into office, helping flip
Speaker 6: control of our entire state Senate for the first time
Speaker 6: in forty years, and as majority whip, I've actually delivered
Speaker 6: on every single issue that Democrats in Michigan or's written
Speaker 6: large care about that. That's a blueprint that we can
Speaker 6: bring with us to Washington. So I filed in April
Speaker 6: of last year. I was the first candidate in the
Speaker 6: race's earliest polls showed that I was trailing in third
Speaker 6: behind the two other Democrats. I am in the latest
Speaker 6: Emerson polling now the front runner and leading by five points.
Speaker 6: So we feel really good at heading into the ayar
Speaker 6: Who've got the momentum and we're going to do this thing.
Speaker 1: So you've had some questions about a pack. It's become
Speaker 1: a wildly unpopular in the Democratic Party. Talk to me
Speaker 1: about your position on a pack, your thoughts about a
Speaker 1: pack money.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would encourage anybody if you haven't. Tom Melanowski
Speaker 6: wrote an op ed for The Bulwark yesterday really reflecting
Speaker 6: on what happened in his race and making the case
Speaker 6: to the Democratic Party that the Democratic Party should cut
Speaker 6: ties with a pack because, as he pointed out, as
Speaker 6: Jeremy who heads up J Street has pointed out, it
Speaker 6: is really funded by Republican donors who intervene in Democratic primaries,
Speaker 6: and I think has shifted away from perhaps what its
Speaker 6: original mission was and what I view is it's a
Speaker 6: pro net Yahoo organization and a prom organization. So I
Speaker 6: am not accepting a PAC contributions and I do get
Speaker 6: asked about it a lot. I mean at every event
Speaker 6: that we go to. It's something that people want to know,
Speaker 6: is are you accepting those contributions.
Speaker 4: I'm not.
Speaker 6: I'm also not accepting any corporate pack donations on my campaign,
Speaker 6: and that does make it harder to fundraise. But despite that,
Speaker 6: I've got more grassroots support than my two Democratic opponents combined.
Speaker 6: I have the most donations from Michigan, and we feel
Speaker 6: that on the ground people are rallying behind this campaign
Speaker 6: and it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 1: Hayley Stephens was really sort of crowned the Democratic nominee.
Speaker 1: I have interviewed her, and I actually knew her before
Speaker 1: she ran for Congress, when she had just worked on
Speaker 1: the auto bailout. I was struck by how she's not
Speaker 1: a particularly good speaker. Why do you think she was
Speaker 1: crowned the nominee so early?
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't want to speak for the party
Speaker 6: writ large.
Speaker 2: No I mean, if.
Speaker 1: You want to win and you nominate someone who's just
Speaker 1: not that charismatic, like they are politicians for a reason, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's called a politician, not like our friend
Speaker 1: or our body.
Speaker 2: So I just love you to talk that through with me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think our party too often makes
Speaker 6: the mistake and rewrites, redoes history and thinking that it's
Speaker 6: whoever's turn is next. And it's deeply frustrating to me.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: I know that there are some who think that the
Speaker 6: next Senator has to be somebody from Congress, you have
Speaker 6: to have federal experience, and I think that that is
Speaker 6: wholly untrue. I do believe that experience matters. And in
Speaker 6: this primary, we've got somebody who's a member of Congress.
Speaker 6: We have me, and we have somebody who's never held
Speaker 6: public office before. I have learned a lot about how
Speaker 6: to serve in the minority in the State Senate, where
Speaker 6: I served for four years then we flipped control to
Speaker 6: the majority. I've learned how to govern. I know how
Speaker 6: to move legislation. But I would just say that the
Speaker 6: more that I've gotten to know people, I think that
Speaker 6: that perception has shifted that there was a lot of
Speaker 6: expectation that my opponent would be the front runner, and
Speaker 6: by most metrics, that hasn't been the case. You know,
Speaker 6: I am now the front runner for a reason. And
Speaker 6: it's interesting as we talk about the auto rescue that
Speaker 6: you brought up, that is certainly a huge part of
Speaker 6: her background and her story. I was on the other
Speaker 6: end of that coin. I mean, I went to college
Speaker 6: to get a degree in industrial design. I designed a
Speaker 6: concept car when I was still in college. We built
Speaker 6: it live on stage, full scale, at an auto show.
Speaker 6: And then I graduated in two thousand and eight and
Speaker 6: everything collapsed and I had no job, and I had
Speaker 6: no health insurance, and I had nowhere to live, and
Speaker 6: I applied to three hundred jobs and the only job
Speaker 6: that I could get for a long time was folding
Speaker 6: clothes for minimum wage. I think that lived experience matters.
Speaker 6: I mean, when I talk to people all across the
Speaker 6: state who lived through the collapse of the auto industry,
Speaker 6: it's a very different experience being on the other end
Speaker 6: of it. And there are people who have simply given
Speaker 6: up not only on Democrats, but on politics and on
Speaker 6: government and on institutions. Because you can do everything right,
Speaker 6: and you can play by the rules, and you can
Speaker 6: work hard and you can come out the other end drowning.
Speaker 6: And I bring that experience into all of my work.
Speaker 6: And I think that people can see themselves in this
Speaker 6: campaign because it's not just about beating Donald Trump. It's
Speaker 6: not just about putting out press releases or press conferences
Speaker 6: or messaging bills. We got to rebuild this country so
Speaker 6: that it actually works for people. And I think you
Speaker 6: see that in the trajectory of this campaign.
Speaker 1: I wonder if you could talk for a minute about
Speaker 1: the speech that made you famous, because that's when I
Speaker 1: met you, right, That's when I met you. That's when
Speaker 1: I met Ray. I want you talk about the speech
Speaker 1: it made you famous, because it's not so often that
Speaker 1: a state rep becomes a household name for a speech
Speaker 1: on the floor.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it was wild. So this is twenty
Speaker 6: twenty two, so it's already we're going on, oh my god,
Speaker 6: four years ago. And this was during my first term
Speaker 6: in the State Senate. It was a frustrating term. I mean,
Speaker 6: I got elected in twenty eighteen, came in in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 6: I was serving in the minority because I had flipped
Speaker 6: a district against an incumbent. The Republican leadership had decided
Speaker 6: no bill with my name on it was ever going
Speaker 6: to pass. It didn't matter how good it was or
Speaker 6: how bipartisan it was. So a few years into the term,
Speaker 6: and mind you, we had gone through COVID and protests
Speaker 6: in our state capitol where we had armed gunmen in
Speaker 6: our gallery. It was rough. And I woke up one
Speaker 6: morning in twenty twenty two to find out that a
Speaker 6: Republican colleague had sent out a fundraising email four or
Speaker 6: herself accusing me by name of wanting to groom and
Speaker 6: sexualize kindergarteners and wanting eight year olds to believe they
Speaker 6: were responsible for slavery, and just the worst of the
Speaker 6: Trump brand of politics.
Speaker 2: I was so very stupid and very stupid. Very stupid, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Very stupid. It is. You know, there's this idea that
Speaker 6: you can just call people whatever you want and there
Speaker 6: are no consequences. But it really hurt. I remember trying
Speaker 6: to figure out how I was going to respond and
Speaker 6: what I was going to do. And I had resigned
Speaker 6: myself that I wasn't going to run for reelection and
Speaker 6: that I was in a pretty dark place thinking that
Speaker 6: I had failed at this job, and I had let
Speaker 6: everybody down who had knocked doors for me and supported
Speaker 6: me in that first campaign. So I thought this was
Speaker 6: going to be the last speech I ever give in
Speaker 6: this job. And I came to the floor the next day,
Speaker 6: and it was really intentional that I wanted to respond
Speaker 6: to her in person because part of the email she
Speaker 6: accused me of being a social media troll, and I
Speaker 6: wanted her to see me face to face. And I
Speaker 6: came to the floor and and you know, this was
Speaker 6: during the rise of Moms for Liberty and all of
Speaker 6: these groups that were claiming to stand for parents rights.
Speaker 6: I was the mom of a one year old at
Speaker 6: the time, and I took back my own identity and
Speaker 6: I said, I'm a straight, white Christian, married suburban mom
Speaker 6: who knows hate only wins when people like me let
Speaker 6: it happen. And oh, by the way, people who are
Speaker 6: different are not the reason your healthcare costs are too high,
Speaker 6: or why our roads are in disrepair, why we have
Speaker 6: a housing crisis, or why teachers are leaving the profession.
Speaker 6: And I put the video of the speech online, thinking
Speaker 6: that's it, and then jokes on me. Tens of millions
Speaker 6: of people saw it within twenty four hours, and I
Speaker 6: was on CNN and MSNBC Now, ms NOW and Fox
Speaker 6: News called me liberal Karen with a headband.
Speaker 2: That's right, you did have a headband well, and it was.
Speaker 6: You know, it was funny. I was postpartum at that
Speaker 6: point and I had for terrible hair loss, so that's
Speaker 6: why it was up in a headband. But the response
Speaker 6: that I got to that speech it was months. Even
Speaker 6: just this week, I don't know why. I've started to
Speaker 6: see it recirculating again online. It feels like every few
Speaker 6: months it kind of comes back and it picks up steam.
Speaker 6: And people wrote me their life story. My po box
Speaker 6: was stuffed with letters for months and months on end,
Speaker 6: and I would get emails from Republicans and Democrats and
Speaker 6: people who were furious, people who are religious, people who
Speaker 6: are not religious, who just said thank you. And I
Speaker 6: was dragged back into this work in a really unexpected
Speaker 6: way because I realized, Okay, I've just been handed a
Speaker 6: spotlight and we can choose to do something with it.
Speaker 6: So I brought on Liz Smith. My husband connected with her,
Speaker 6: actually DMed her and said, do you want to talk
Speaker 6: to my wife? We came up with this plan of
Speaker 6: what if we tried to raise a million dollars to
Speaker 6: help flip the state Senate, Because, like the speech is great,
Speaker 6: but we had to prove that this tactic didn't work,
Speaker 6: and the only way to do that was we got
Speaker 6: to take away their power. And we ended up raising
Speaker 6: millions of dollars into a state pack that i'd opened.
Speaker 6: I supported a dozen other candidates running for state Senate,
Speaker 6: brought my volunteers all across the state, and we helped
Speaker 6: flip control of the State Senate for the first time
Speaker 6: in my entire lifetime. So I think it's all of
Speaker 6: that that I bring with me into this campaign. It
Speaker 6: is communication, It's knowing how to throw a punch, but
Speaker 6: doing it strategically, because at the end of day, it's
Speaker 6: not about going viral. It's about building power to actually
Speaker 6: fight back against these people and past policies that help people.
Speaker 1: You have gotten some pushback from one of the other
Speaker 1: candidates on your stance on ice. Talk us through what
Speaker 1: you're thinking is on ice? Also is ice in Michigan
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah? They are.
Speaker 6: They are in Romulus, which is downriver in Detroit. Ice
Speaker 6: actually outbid an auto supplier, a Toyota Auto supplier to
Speaker 6: buy a warehouse to open a new detention center. So
Speaker 6: I just I want everybody to really grapple with the
Speaker 6: Trump administration is taking jobs and economic development away from
Speaker 6: a community that needs it to hows human beings in
Speaker 6: a warehouse? So I will be out at a protest
Speaker 6: on Monday. They're opening an operations facility in Southfield outside
Speaker 6: of Detroit. We have a detention center in Baldwin where
Speaker 6: you know, over eighty five percent of the people housed
Speaker 6: in that detention center have no criminal conviction whatsoever. There
Speaker 6: was a dad who was picked up, who owns a
Speaker 6: painting company that's done nothing wrong, picked up when he
Speaker 6: dropped his kid off at school. Hasn't been seen in
Speaker 6: a year. Out in Grand Rapids. Another dad was picked
Speaker 6: up after dropping his kid off at the bus. So
Speaker 6: the entire bus full of kids watched this happen. And
Speaker 6: what I say is is unequivocal. Ice needs to be
Speaker 6: out of our communities. Immediately, get him off of our streets.
Speaker 6: They are not doing their jobs. We do not need
Speaker 6: roving patrols of secret police terrorizing our communities and frankly
Speaker 6: making the job of local law enforcement that much harder
Speaker 6: because they're eroding and breaking the trust that that law
Speaker 6: enforcement officers work so hard to build. And then, you know,
Speaker 6: I have been echoing the calls of people like Chris
Speaker 6: Murphy to say, you know, the Senate holds the power
Speaker 6: right now and should deny DHS a single penny more
Speaker 6: until you know, not even nibbling around the edges on reforms,
Speaker 6: but a complete overhaul of this agency from the ground up.
Speaker 6: Fire christin home fire, any of the agents who have
Speaker 6: been hired in the last year, who haven't had proper vetting,
Speaker 6: who haven't had proper training. Make sure there are strict
Speaker 6: use of force protocols and actual ramifications if those are violated,
Speaker 6: end roving patrols period reassert our constitutional rights to our
Speaker 6: homes not being entered without a judicial warrant. Make sure
Speaker 6: there's training, and there's vetting. I mean, all of that.
Speaker 6: You have to rebuild it completely, and the Senate has
Speaker 6: the power to do that right now. I know the
Speaker 6: criticism from my opponent that you're talking about it sounds
Speaker 6: nice to yell slogans. It does, but Democrats don't have
Speaker 6: the power right now. Democrats don't control the Congress, Democrats
Speaker 6: don't control the Senate. Democrats don't control the presidency. The
Speaker 6: leverage that they have, and this is where experience as
Speaker 6: a legislator matters, is in the budget, and you got
Speaker 6: to use that budget to extract every change that we
Speaker 6: need so that this agency does what it's supposed to do,
Speaker 6: which is immigrations and customs enforcement, not terrorizing our communities.
Speaker 1: Do you also think, and this is a real question
Speaker 1: for Democrats for winning in the twenty twenty eight cycle,
Speaker 1: one of the things we saw was that during primaries,
Speaker 1: candidates were pushed to take positions that might be more
Speaker 1: like our dream positions, but positions that if you're running
Speaker 1: in a purple state for the Senate against a senator
Speaker 1: who is not a complete lunatic, might be used against
Speaker 1: you later in the campaign.
Speaker 6: I think that's right. I just fundamentally believe like rhetoric
Speaker 6: is nice and it makes you feel good, but we
Speaker 6: have to think about results. How do you actually make
Speaker 6: the change that you want to see? And you're right,
Speaker 6: especially on purple state. Alyssa. Slotkin barely won against this
Speaker 6: same guy who's running again last cycle. So he comes
Speaker 6: into this race with universal name ID and mind you,
Speaker 6: he had been a congressman in Michigan years ago, so
Speaker 6: people already knew him and our party, Democrats, I mean
Speaker 6: to win, we have to acknowledge people do want safe communities,
Speaker 6: they want immigration laws enforce. We need steep overhaul of
Speaker 6: our immigration system to make sure that it's fair, that
Speaker 6: there are pathways to citizenship, that we can continue to
Speaker 6: attract the best and brightest to this country. And we
Speaker 6: need secure borders. Michigan is a border state. A lot
Speaker 6: of people forget that, and what this agency is doing
Speaker 6: is not law enforcement. It's not and they had the
Speaker 6: steepest increase of anything in our federal budget at the
Speaker 6: same moment where the Trump administration is slashing Medicaid, Medicare,
Speaker 6: Social Security snap benefits, saying we can't have any of
Speaker 6: these benefits, but we're going to allow secret police go
Speaker 6: and terrorize and you know, shoot and kill Americans with
Speaker 6: no consequences. Two of those things can be true simultaneously.
Speaker 6: Now there are silver linings. There's a mayor here, the
Speaker 6: mayor of Sterling Heights, which is in Macomb County, deep
Speaker 6: red Trump country. He is a Republican turned independent, and
Speaker 6: he gave his state of the City address recently where
Speaker 6: he meants no words about Ice and said that Ice
Speaker 6: is making the job of law enforcement almost impossible and
Speaker 6: that world would he ever turn over any resident of
Speaker 6: his city too, in his words, those monsters.
Speaker 2: And this is a Republican.
Speaker 6: This is a Republican And so that has to be
Speaker 6: where we step in to recognize there is broad agreement
Speaker 6: across the aisle that what ICE is doing is not
Speaker 6: law enforcement and it's not its duty. But Democrats also
Speaker 6: have to recognize we need to step in and say, yes,
Speaker 6: we have to enforce our laws. We have to have
Speaker 6: safe communities, we have to have sensible immigration policies, we
Speaker 6: need to secure our border, and those things are not
Speaker 6: at odds with each other. That is the only way
Speaker 6: you win a state like Michigan and build an actual
Speaker 6: coalition to govern.
Speaker 1: This is a primary way. You have pushed back from
Speaker 1: the laugh I like the doctor, I've interviewed him. He's
Speaker 1: really great, but you know he's very ensconced he's a
Speaker 1: Bernie candidate, etc. And then you have pushed back from
Speaker 1: whoever Haley Stevens is for.
Speaker 2: It is kind of amazing that you're doing.
Speaker 1: So wow, isn't this not how it's supposed to be
Speaker 1: in a Democratic primary.
Speaker 6: Well, I think it just the way you sort of
Speaker 6: frame that up, and I feel like national reporters watching
Speaker 6: this race, you know, this has been called the most
Speaker 6: fascinating primary in the country. In the future of the
Speaker 6: Democratic Party is going to depend on what happens in
Speaker 6: this race. That there is this like desire to put
Speaker 6: the three of us in a clear lane. That's just
Speaker 6: not how regular people think. I mean, there are people
Speaker 6: here who voted for Rick Snyder and Gretchen Whitmer. There
Speaker 6: are people who voted for Bernie Sanders and Donald Trum.
Speaker 6: You do not register by party in Michigan. We have
Speaker 6: open primaries, so you walk into your polling place, you
Speaker 6: will get a ballot that has the Democratic primary, the
Speaker 6: Republican party. You pick a lane on the spot in
Speaker 6: which one I want to vote in. And Michiganers are
Speaker 6: fiercely independent and like to make decisions for themselves. So
Speaker 6: my theory of the case was, let's reject the lanes
Speaker 6: and the Democratic Party needs to build the broadest coalition possible,
Speaker 6: and we need to pick up independence Republicans who are
Speaker 6: not mega Republicans because that is the only way we
Speaker 6: win here. That is how I won my first election.
Speaker 6: That's how I swung a district twenty points by picking
Speaker 6: up a lot of Mitt Romney Republicans who had never
Speaker 6: voted for a Democrat before. That's how we flipped control
Speaker 6: of the entire state Senate in a purple state. That
Speaker 6: is the way forward. So I am really proud of
Speaker 6: my team for executing. I mean, we work our assets
Speaker 6: off on this campaign. We're doing more public events than
Speaker 6: anybody else, and it shows. We had an event out
Speaker 6: in Grand Rapids, which not always a Democratic stronghold and
Speaker 6: still isn't. It's trending blue, but it's Betsy Davos's hometown,
Speaker 6: and we had an event to announce state Senate majority
Speaker 6: leader winning Brinks endorsing me. We held it at a brewery.
Speaker 6: There was a line around the block and there were
Speaker 6: people who told us they were waiting to get in,
Speaker 6: and eventually they had to go home because they just
Speaker 6: couldn't get in. And that's that's a great sign. But
Speaker 6: that to me is people are looking for rational, reasonable,
Speaker 6: somebody who understands me and what I'm going through and
Speaker 6: who isn't so wed to like a political purity test
Speaker 6: of a lane, because that's not how you get shit
Speaker 6: done in a place like Michigan.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mallory, Thank you, Molly.
Speaker 4: No. Rick Wilson, Hello Molly, it's that time.
Speaker 2: It's that time.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump has told Netflix to remove Susan Rice from
Speaker 1: its board or quote face the consequences, because nothing says
Speaker 1: democracy like picking on corporate boards.
Speaker 2: Discuss.
Speaker 4: Well, let's say this.
Speaker 5: When Susan Rice came out and said, we're gonna have
Speaker 5: to have a period of like national reconciliation when all
Speaker 5: this is over, she is absolutely correct, and she put
Speaker 5: it about as mildly as possible, because mine involves tumbrels, pitchforks,
Speaker 5: torches and guillotines.
Speaker 4: Hers is just like woll we got to talk this through.
Speaker 5: But Donald Trump had an absolute hissy fit explosion. You know,
Speaker 5: nethinks very liberal must be destroyed because Susan Rice came
Speaker 5: out and spoke the truth. And I think this is
Speaker 5: one more of these examples where if Barack Obama had
Speaker 5: been mad at a Republican on a board somewhere instead something, imagine,
Speaker 5: Fox News would have a twenty four hour a day,
Speaker 5: you know, authoritarian watch. And this is exactly the kind
Speaker 5: of fuckery that Trump is throwing out there to please
Speaker 5: his base and to keep his control over corporate America,
Speaker 5: which so far has been very effective.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, Trump is an autocrat who has been
Speaker 1: winning and winning. And from Jeff Bezos to Mark Zuckerberg,
Speaker 1: the people who have sat at his inauguration, they have
Speaker 1: made this possible.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is a monster you created.
Speaker 4: Hey.
Speaker 5: Look, these guys have built a system, and they told
Speaker 5: us this system is perfectly good and legal and fine.
Speaker 5: It is the desirable system by which power is exercised
Speaker 5: in corporate America, by the White House, by the executive Okay, fine,
Speaker 5: that's great. Alex Karp from Pollenteer and Sam Altman from
Speaker 5: Open AI and all these other people that have been
Speaker 5: massive supporters of Donald Trump, when the jackboot is on
Speaker 5: the other foot, I don't want them to say a
Speaker 5: fucking word.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll be totally cool. Oh yeah, thank you,
Speaker 2: see it soon.
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