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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics found

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Speaker 1: that US employers added one hundred and eighty one thousand

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Speaker 1: jobs last year, far fewer than the one point four

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Speaker 1: six million jobs that we're added in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: We have such a great show for you today.

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Speaker 1: The Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us to discuss

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Speaker 1: the DOJ hiding files that might implicate Trump. Then we'll

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Speaker 1: talk to Michigan Senate Democratic primary candidate Malloy mcmarrow about

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Speaker 1: her run for Michigan's open Senate seat.

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Speaker 2: But first, The News.

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Speaker 3: Somalie said Scotis told Trump that he's a reckless, not

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Speaker 3: constitution abiding president about his tariffs. He has decided he

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Speaker 3: will exercise that power because he loves tariffs so much

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Speaker 3: to make a global tariff eighteen percent from ten percent immediately.

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Speaker 1: So Donald Trump lost against the Supreme Court. Two of

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Speaker 1: his three justices cided against him. Was only Justice Kegstand

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Speaker 1: Kavanaugh joining the Fox News triumpherent of Thomas and Alito,

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Speaker 1: who will let Donald Trump do anything he wants forever

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Speaker 1: and ever and ever. So Justice keg Stand in his descent,

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Speaker 1: said there are other ways to do what you want

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Speaker 1: to do, big boss, and suggested that there was this workaround. Again, Look,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump did these tariffs through this emergency executive order

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Speaker 1: which used in emergency powers that never used the word tariff.

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Speaker 2: Done dun dun duh.

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Speaker 1: And again Justice Roberts used the major case doctrine, which

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Speaker 1: is the thing he used to tell Biden he couldn't

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Speaker 1: cancel a student loan debt, to tell Trump that he

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Speaker 1: didn't have the authority to do these.

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Speaker 2: Tariffs Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: By the way, tariff's unpopular, inflationary, not helping manufacturing. The

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Speaker 1: only thing they're doing is helping Donald Trump be the

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Speaker 1: autocrat he dreams of being. This would have been an

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Speaker 1: off ramp. This is an excellent off ramp. But because

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump can never take an off ramp, just like

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Speaker 1: we saw in Minnesota when Ice murdered two American citizens,

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Speaker 1: just like we've saw we've seen again and again during

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Speaker 1: Trump's first and second terms, he can never take an

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Speaker 1: off ramp.

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Speaker 2: So instead of taking the.

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Speaker 1: Off ramp and being like, oh well, Supreme Court said,

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Speaker 1: I can't do it. He has doubled down, and he

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Speaker 1: did this Mussolini esque, as Rick Wilson says later on presser,

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Speaker 1: where he went on and on and on about how

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Speaker 1: love America, and then he went on to effectively put

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Speaker 1: a tempresent tariff, and then he hiked it to fifteen.

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Speaker 2: And who knows what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Because if there's one thing we know about Donald Trumpetz

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Speaker 1: that he hates acting rationally and he's a very sensitive guy.

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Speaker 1: So expect more uncertainty and craziness.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it almost feels like the oppositional defiant disorder is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his behavior is irrational and so it's never going

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Speaker 2: And that's where we are speaking of.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for setting me up with that. So the

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Speaker 3: DHS has now reversed on their TSA pre check pause

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Speaker 3: as the snowstorm that we're about to endure heads in.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how it's looking in your part of

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Speaker 3: New York, body, but they looking good over here in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I saw this when we're talking about what we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about now in the podcast, and it says,

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Speaker 1: DHS reverses on TSA PreCheck pause and I was like,

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Speaker 1: else had been completed. Need to me about how they

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Speaker 1: TSA PreCheck remained operational with no change for the traveling public.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing. There's a DHS shutdown. You may

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Speaker 1: completely unchecked militia that serves the president and searches people's

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Speaker 1: houses and wears masks and kills people. Americans don't like it,

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Speaker 1: and Democrats are trying to renegotiate some common sense reforms,

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Speaker 1: like they shouldn't wear masks and be the guestapo. Republicans

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Speaker 1: to say that Donald Trump has billions of dollars for

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Speaker 1: both the Department of Defense and for ICE enforcement.

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Speaker 2: In the BBB.

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Speaker 1: These two parts of the government have billions. While they've

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Speaker 1: caught cancer research for children, you know, children's cancer research

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Speaker 1: there's no money for that, but there's tons and tons

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Speaker 1: and tons of money for President Trump's police force. They

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Speaker 1: are buying up warehouses in which they will wear house

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Speaker 2: And that is why.

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Speaker 1: I say to you, there's money for the TSA PreCheck,

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Speaker 1: thank you. I think there's also money for children's cancer research.

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Speaker 1: But then again I'm a libtard.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, this ted talk is not going over well with them, Molly.

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Speaker 3: In Trump's continued demented foreign policy towards Greenland, we now

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Speaker 3: have Greenland's leader saying no thanks to Trump's US hospital vote.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So this is a pretty great little insane bid here.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump up late on the internet two things that

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Speaker 1: never mean anything good. He is very into AI and

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Speaker 1: posts a picture of a boat trying to appeal to Greenland.

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Speaker 1: And so he says that he's going to send a

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Speaker 1: take a little while unless he's going to send a

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Speaker 2: Doctors on it, which again not impossible. I'd believe it

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Speaker 1: And I want to point out that in this weird

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Speaker 1: of Louisiana. Louisiana, which is a state known for its healthcare. Right,

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Speaker 1: he's going to send the hospital boat to Greenland.

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Speaker 3: So also known for its close proximity to Greenland. Real

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Speaker 1: Well, but also I think it's important to realize that

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Speaker 1: Louisiana is one of the ten worst states for healthcare.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you might be okay in New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: There's a pretty good hospital teaching hospital in New Orleans.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise, I think you probably want to go to North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: So that's why I say to you, this is an

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Denmark, Greenland they are laughing at us.

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Speaker 1: The leaders of Denmark and the Arctic Territory thought it

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Speaker 1: think it's an important point. They reiterated that healthcare is

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Speaker 3: Fun times. So you may remember one Jisland Maxwell from

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Speaker 3: getting special treatment in prison from mister Donald Trump. And

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Speaker 3: now we see that she's fighting the release of documents

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know that we spend enough time talking

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Speaker 3: I think the next segment of this podcast, where you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think it's worth realizing that, like Gillane

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Speaker 1: And when you listen to if you haven't listened to

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Speaker 1: it she talks about how horrible Gollane Maxwell was to

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Speaker 1: how guilty she is in this. But anyway, Maxwell's lawyers

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Speaker 1: are fighting the request to release ninety thousand pages related

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Speaker 1: brought a decade ago by Virginia Geufrey. You know, Maria

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Speaker 1: Farmer talks about Virginia Geufrey and how she really did

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Speaker 2: Of these files get released.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project and

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Speaker 1: the host of the Emmy's List. Rick Wilson Epstein files

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Speaker 1: Roger Sallenberger, has very reporter has discovered a a list

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Speaker 1: explain what this is because it's a little bit complicated.

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Speaker 5: Roger has discovered a number of files that the DOJ

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Speaker 5: tried to redact once they were.

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Speaker 4: Were known to exist.

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Speaker 5: Yes, the DOJ has decided they're going to pull them offline.

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Speaker 5: Why would they do this, Well, they do this in

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Speaker 5: part because in these files there are confidential informant reports

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Speaker 1: DJ deleted record revealing that Maxwell holds potential blackmail.

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Speaker 5: That's correct, and well, that's what I was getting to

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Speaker 5: that what they were what they redacted, was stuff that

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Speaker 5: in the hands of of Glayne Maxwell.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: I just find it. I find it fascinating that, as

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Speaker 5: I always find it fascinating. I guess that the Trump

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean it goes back to the release

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Speaker 1: of these files period paragraph And there was really good

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Speaker 4: Before great work this week.

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Speaker 1: Bezos ruined the Washington Post and now he works at

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal, which has really good reporting, and

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Speaker 1: he talks about how botch the release was. And there

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Speaker 1: was a lot of files that were for example, they

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Speaker 1: redacted the name Leslie Waxner because they thought Leslie might

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Sure, that's exactly plausible in every way, and everybody believes

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Speaker 5: that completely.

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Speaker 4: That's just super super.

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Speaker 5: Likely that somehow the world's the captain of the world's

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Speaker 5: most giant pedophile ring. It's just mistakenly knew someone. Was

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Speaker 5: she on his majong list or something. Get the fuck

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Speaker 1: And and just for another minute on les Waxner, there

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Speaker 5: I believe the phrase was was I will fucking kill

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Speaker 5: And she seems striking to me that the lawyer might

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Speaker 2: It's amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, blows my mind.

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Speaker 4: And considered John Husted out of Ohio.

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Speaker 2: There's running against share Brown, running against.

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Speaker 1: No, I do not think so. On Friday, Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: And this is one of the most novel Trumpian theories

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Speaker 5: Because because Donald Trump can't come up with another explanation,

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Speaker 5: If the court is influenced by foreign powers, then every

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Speaker 4: I think we're finer than that, right, Donald, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One of the things we know about these tariffs is

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Speaker 5: No, there's no like, there's no construction index like Donald

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Speaker 1: So what it's done has just made things more expensive.

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Speaker 5: Sure, And and look the disappointment he had at that

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I mean, just like give away the game they're chief.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we lp. He just put on an ad this

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Speaker 5: He really did promise these tariff checks, MOLLI, including in

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Speaker 2: And then you think about tools.

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Speaker 1: And if you think of tariffs, and if you think

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Speaker 2: A kleptocracy, and you.

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Speaker 1: Think of Ebstein Files occupant Howard Lutnik.

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Speaker 4: They're they're they're like the Trump fellas.

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Speaker 5: They just have a golden touch when it comes I'm

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Speaker 5: Listen, I gotta tell you nothing about nothing about a

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Speaker 4: Nothing, none of that scans as good news. With the

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Speaker 1: My favorite part of last week was when the King

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Speaker 4: That he really all must take its course.

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Speaker 1: And even like they may get you know, they're talking

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Speaker 4: Right, Peter Mandelsson from.

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Speaker 2: Peter Mandelsson as a as an ambassador. Meanwhile, our president

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Speaker 5: And yet he somehow comes out every day now and says,

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Speaker 4: I'm innocent.

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Speaker 5: I I'm the one who I'm the one who stopped Epstein.

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Speaker 4: And there they do.

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Speaker 5: it never seems to it never seems to really catch

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Speaker 5: up with him with that small percentage, you know. And

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Speaker 5: that percentage used to be thirty five percent. Right now

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Speaker 5: it's like twenty. Yeah, and shrinking folks by the day.

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Speaker 5: Take that as a piece of good news in the

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Speaker 5: in a dark world.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about potentially talented politicians.

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Speaker 1: We're in primary season. There are a bunch of primaries

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Speaker 1: going and and I don't want to talk about specific

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Speaker 1: candidates because I want I have a theory that.

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Speaker 2: I want you to talk to us about.

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Speaker 1: I think that Democrats get really stuck in the ideological

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Speaker 1: purity of their candidates and not so interested in their

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Speaker 1: candidates whether or not they're talented.

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Speaker 2: And and my theory of the.

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Speaker 1: Case, and I want you to tell me if you

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Speaker 1: think this is right or wrong, is that I think

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Speaker 1: that politicians they kind of don't really believe stuff.

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Speaker 2: Let's just be honest here.

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Speaker 5: That's true more in the in the in the observance

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Speaker 5: than the breach, yes.

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Speaker 1: Right, and Republicans are much more nihilists. But Democrats also

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Speaker 1: can have their opinions changed. And so do you think

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Speaker 1: that democrats are wrong being so focused on the machinations

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Speaker 1: of their politicians' opinions and not on the talent of

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Speaker 1: said politicians.

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Speaker 5: Discuss if you were putting me in charge of this matter.

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Speaker 5: Talent is the first, second, third, and tenth criteria for

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Speaker 5: these folks. You can have people who are morally perfect

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Speaker 5: and correct. If they can't run a race, and they

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Speaker 5: can't win a race, what good are they? You're You're

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Speaker 5: not helping the party or the country by being by

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Speaker 5: being morally pristine. If the choice is between your guy

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Speaker 5: who's not perfect and somebody who serves Satan, picks the

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Speaker 5: guy who doesn't serve Satan. It doesn't mean that you

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Speaker 5: can't believe things. People all believe things, and they should.

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Speaker 5: But sometimes you don't say the quiet part out loud.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes you run a campaign instead of a struggle session.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and do you think that one of the things

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Speaker 1: Democrats can do at this moment is stop doing those fucking.

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Speaker 2: Questions? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Never about the question. Listen, Listen.

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Speaker 5: I told candidates back in two thousand and two on

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Speaker 5: the Republican side, because we had.

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Speaker 4: The same purity test. Bullshit happening.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the questionnaires are when different groups.

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Speaker 4: Right, And by the way, folks, I'm not attacking them.

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Speaker 5: So when the when the Sierra Club or nay row

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Speaker 5: or or or Moms Against sends you a questionnaire and

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Speaker 5: they demand that you answer it, and they demand you

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Speaker 5: tell them every single thing. When Democrats did that and

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Speaker 5: I was a Republican, you know what I did ninety

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Speaker 5: five percent of the time as a Republican, I'd be like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: look what that dumb son of a bit said in

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Speaker 5: that and I would know, and I would turn that

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Speaker 5: around into negative ads, and those ads would make your

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Speaker 5: candidate look like a fucking idiot. Right, This is why

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Speaker 5: nobody is served by these questionnaires. Accept the other side.

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Speaker 5: And so Democrats, if you're a candidate, don't answer fucking questionnaires.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, those groups that go we will

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Speaker 5: never endorse you unless you yeah, yeah, they will, Okay,

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Speaker 5: if you're a winner, they will if you if you

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Speaker 5: show that you're kicking ass, they will.

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Speaker 4: None of it matters.

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Speaker 5: These people that do this and turn it into a

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Speaker 5: pure check thing, fuck them, no, just fuck them.

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Speaker 1: Schumer and other members who pick candidates, Yes, do you

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Speaker 1: think that they should be picking the most talented candidates

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Speaker 1: and not the people that are their.

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Speaker 5: Friends always and forever? Pick talent because look, campaigns in

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Speaker 5: the old days depended more on the internal game. Can

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Speaker 5: this guy raise all the money from the other big

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Speaker 5: guys that I know who're going to sit in the

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Speaker 5: room and write hundred thousand dollars checks to the party

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Speaker 5: committees and all that. Today, campaigns are increasingly being mediated

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Speaker 5: by how good you are on television, how good you

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Speaker 5: are on YouTube, how good you are on Instagram, how

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Speaker 5: good you are on social media. And listen, there are

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Speaker 5: a lot of things that Democrats would disqualify James tallerco

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Speaker 5: on right, and in a lot of parts of this country,

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Speaker 5: Democrats say, no, nope, nope, he's two to the god stuff.

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Speaker 4: I don't care for that.

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Speaker 5: They would be passing on the most talented single candidate

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Speaker 5: I've seen come out of the Democratic field in the

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Speaker 5: last decade by an order of magnitude, you know. And

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Speaker 5: so if you're gonna, if you're gonna pick candidates, pick

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Speaker 5: them because they're good candidates them. Deal with the ideology

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Speaker 5: crap later, because most ideological things, most purity tests again, folks,

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Speaker 5: I sort of repeat this. The Republican Party has weaponized

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Speaker 5: democratic purity tests like champions, and they disqualified Democratic candidates

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Speaker 5: in the minds of large percentages of voters, especially in

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Speaker 5: red and purple states, based on those said.

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Speaker 2: Will you come back?

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Speaker 4: You know I will.

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Speaker 1: Mallory mcmarrow is a Michigan State senator and a candidate

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Speaker 1: in the Democratic Senate primary in the great state of Michigan. Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Welcome Allarman Morrow.

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Speaker 6: Good to be back.

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Speaker 2: So you're running for senate.

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Speaker 1: This is three way Senate race, and I want you

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Speaker 1: to talk us through. This is the primary. Voting starts.

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Speaker 1: When does voting start? Probably start soon, right.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's an August primary, so voting starts in June

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Speaker 6: for for the August primary.

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Speaker 1: So talk us through what your primary looks like. Michigan,

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Speaker 1: it's a Senate seat.

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Speaker 6: Talk us through us. Sure, So we've got an open

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Speaker 6: Senate seat this year with Gary Peters retiring. Mike Rogers

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Speaker 6: is very likely the Republican nominee. This is the same

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Speaker 6: guy that ran against Alyssa Slotkin last cycle, narrowly lost

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Speaker 6: and is back again this time with Trump's full endorsement

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Speaker 6: and millions of dollars from all around the country right

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Speaker 6: from the get go. On the Democratic side, we have

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Speaker 6: a three way Democratic primary with myself, Abdul lsa Ed,

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Speaker 6: and Hailey Stevens. I'm excited about it. I mean, I

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Speaker 6: knew coming in that I would have the biggest hill

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Speaker 6: to climb in terms of building name recognition. One of

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Speaker 6: the candidates had run for governor in twenty eighteen, so

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Speaker 6: has run statewide before. The other is a sitting member

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Speaker 6: of Congress from Metro Detroit who had a contentious primary

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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty two. So I had millions of dollars

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Speaker 6: spent in the Metro Detroit media market for her. But

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Speaker 6: my theory was that once people got to know me

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Speaker 6: and my theory of the case, which is that this

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Speaker 6: is by no means a normal time, by any stretch

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Speaker 6: of the imagination, that operating as if it is is

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Speaker 6: simply not going to cut it, and that I have

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Speaker 6: both the lived experience as somebody who hasn't spent my

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Speaker 6: entire life in politics, but also a track record of

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Speaker 6: beating a Republican incumbent to get into office, helping flip

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Speaker 6: control of our entire state Senate for the first time

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Speaker 6: in forty years, and as majority whip, I've actually delivered

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Speaker 6: on every single issue that Democrats in Michigan or's written

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Speaker 6: large care about that. That's a blueprint that we can

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Speaker 6: bring with us to Washington. So I filed in April

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Speaker 6: of last year. I was the first candidate in the

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Speaker 6: race's earliest polls showed that I was trailing in third

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Speaker 6: behind the two other Democrats. I am in the latest

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Speaker 6: Emerson polling now the front runner and leading by five points.

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Speaker 6: So we feel really good at heading into the ayar

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Speaker 6: Who've got the momentum and we're going to do this thing.

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Speaker 1: So you've had some questions about a pack. It's become

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Speaker 1: a wildly unpopular in the Democratic Party. Talk to me

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Speaker 1: about your position on a pack, your thoughts about a

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Speaker 1: pack money.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I would encourage anybody if you haven't. Tom Melanowski

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Speaker 6: wrote an op ed for The Bulwark yesterday really reflecting

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Speaker 6: on what happened in his race and making the case

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Speaker 6: to the Democratic Party that the Democratic Party should cut

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Speaker 6: ties with a pack because, as he pointed out, as

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Speaker 6: Jeremy who heads up J Street has pointed out, it

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Speaker 6: is really funded by Republican donors who intervene in Democratic primaries,

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Speaker 6: and I think has shifted away from perhaps what its

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Speaker 6: original mission was and what I view is it's a

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Speaker 6: pro net Yahoo organization and a prom organization. So I

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Speaker 6: am not accepting a PAC contributions and I do get

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Speaker 6: asked about it a lot. I mean at every event

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Speaker 6: that we go to. It's something that people want to know,

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Speaker 6: is are you accepting those contributions.

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Speaker 4: I'm not.

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Speaker 6: I'm also not accepting any corporate pack donations on my campaign,

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Speaker 6: and that does make it harder to fundraise. But despite that,

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Speaker 6: I've got more grassroots support than my two Democratic opponents combined.

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Speaker 6: I have the most donations from Michigan, and we feel

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Speaker 6: that on the ground people are rallying behind this campaign

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Speaker 6: and it's the right thing to do.

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Speaker 1: Hayley Stephens was really sort of crowned the Democratic nominee.

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Speaker 1: I have interviewed her, and I actually knew her before

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Speaker 1: she ran for Congress, when she had just worked on

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Speaker 1: the auto bailout. I was struck by how she's not

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Speaker 1: a particularly good speaker. Why do you think she was

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Speaker 1: crowned the nominee so early?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't want to speak for the party

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Speaker 6: writ large.

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Speaker 2: No I mean, if.

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Speaker 1: You want to win and you nominate someone who's just

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Speaker 1: not that charismatic, like they are politicians for a reason, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's called a politician, not like our friend

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Speaker 1: or our body.

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Speaker 2: So I just love you to talk that through with me.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think our party too often makes

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Speaker 6: the mistake and rewrites, redoes history and thinking that it's

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Speaker 6: whoever's turn is next. And it's deeply frustrating to me.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 6: I know that there are some who think that the

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Speaker 6: next Senator has to be somebody from Congress, you have

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Speaker 6: to have federal experience, and I think that that is

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Speaker 6: wholly untrue. I do believe that experience matters. And in

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Speaker 6: this primary, we've got somebody who's a member of Congress.

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Speaker 6: We have me, and we have somebody who's never held

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Speaker 6: public office before. I have learned a lot about how

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Speaker 6: to serve in the minority in the State Senate, where

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Speaker 6: I served for four years then we flipped control to

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Speaker 6: the majority. I've learned how to govern. I know how

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Speaker 6: to move legislation. But I would just say that the

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Speaker 6: more that I've gotten to know people, I think that

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Speaker 6: that perception has shifted that there was a lot of

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Speaker 6: expectation that my opponent would be the front runner, and

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Speaker 6: by most metrics, that hasn't been the case. You know,

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Speaker 6: I am now the front runner for a reason. And

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Speaker 6: it's interesting as we talk about the auto rescue that

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Speaker 6: you brought up, that is certainly a huge part of

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Speaker 6: her background and her story. I was on the other

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Speaker 6: end of that coin. I mean, I went to college

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Speaker 6: to get a degree in industrial design. I designed a

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Speaker 6: concept car when I was still in college. We built

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Speaker 6: it live on stage, full scale, at an auto show.

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Speaker 6: And then I graduated in two thousand and eight and

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Speaker 6: everything collapsed and I had no job, and I had

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Speaker 6: no health insurance, and I had nowhere to live, and

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Speaker 6: I applied to three hundred jobs and the only job

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Speaker 6: that I could get for a long time was folding

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Speaker 6: clothes for minimum wage. I think that lived experience matters.

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Speaker 6: I mean, when I talk to people all across the

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Speaker 6: state who lived through the collapse of the auto industry,

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Speaker 6: it's a very different experience being on the other end

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Speaker 6: of it. And there are people who have simply given

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Speaker 6: up not only on Democrats, but on politics and on

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Speaker 6: government and on institutions. Because you can do everything right,

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Speaker 6: and you can play by the rules, and you can

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Speaker 6: work hard and you can come out the other end drowning.

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Speaker 6: And I bring that experience into all of my work.

668
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Speaker 6: And I think that people can see themselves in this

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Speaker 6: campaign because it's not just about beating Donald Trump. It's

670
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Speaker 6: not just about putting out press releases or press conferences

671
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Speaker 6: or messaging bills. We got to rebuild this country so

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Speaker 6: that it actually works for people. And I think you

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Speaker 6: see that in the trajectory of this campaign.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you could talk for a minute about

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Speaker 1: the speech that made you famous, because that's when I

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Speaker 1: met you, right, That's when I met you. That's when

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Speaker 1: I met Ray. I want you talk about the speech

678
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Speaker 1: it made you famous, because it's not so often that

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Speaker 1: a state rep becomes a household name for a speech

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Speaker 1: on the floor.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it was wild. So this is twenty

682
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Speaker 6: twenty two, so it's already we're going on, oh my god,

683
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Speaker 6: four years ago. And this was during my first term

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Speaker 6: in the State Senate. It was a frustrating term. I mean,

685
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Speaker 6: I got elected in twenty eighteen, came in in twenty nineteen.

686
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 6: I was serving in the minority because I had flipped

687
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Speaker 6: a district against an incumbent. The Republican leadership had decided

688
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 6: no bill with my name on it was ever going

689
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Speaker 6: to pass. It didn't matter how good it was or

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Speaker 6: how bipartisan it was. So a few years into the term,

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Speaker 6: and mind you, we had gone through COVID and protests

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Speaker 6: in our state capitol where we had armed gunmen in

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Speaker 6: our gallery. It was rough. And I woke up one

694
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Speaker 6: morning in twenty twenty two to find out that a

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Speaker 6: Republican colleague had sent out a fundraising email four or

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Speaker 6: herself accusing me by name of wanting to groom and

697
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Speaker 6: sexualize kindergarteners and wanting eight year olds to believe they

698
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Speaker 6: were responsible for slavery, and just the worst of the

699
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Speaker 6: Trump brand of politics.

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Speaker 2: I was so very stupid and very stupid. Very stupid, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Very stupid. It is. You know, there's this idea that

702
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Speaker 6: you can just call people whatever you want and there

703
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Speaker 6: are no consequences. But it really hurt. I remember trying

704
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Speaker 6: to figure out how I was going to respond and

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Speaker 6: what I was going to do. And I had resigned

706
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Speaker 6: myself that I wasn't going to run for reelection and

707
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Speaker 6: that I was in a pretty dark place thinking that

708
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Speaker 6: I had failed at this job, and I had let

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Speaker 6: everybody down who had knocked doors for me and supported

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Speaker 6: me in that first campaign. So I thought this was

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Speaker 6: going to be the last speech I ever give in

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Speaker 6: this job. And I came to the floor the next day,

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Speaker 6: and it was really intentional that I wanted to respond

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Speaker 6: to her in person because part of the email she

715
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Speaker 6: accused me of being a social media troll, and I

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Speaker 6: wanted her to see me face to face. And I

717
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 6: came to the floor and and you know, this was

718
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Speaker 6: during the rise of Moms for Liberty and all of

719
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Speaker 6: these groups that were claiming to stand for parents rights.

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Speaker 6: I was the mom of a one year old at

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Speaker 6: the time, and I took back my own identity and

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Speaker 6: I said, I'm a straight, white Christian, married suburban mom

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Speaker 6: who knows hate only wins when people like me let

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Speaker 6: it happen. And oh, by the way, people who are

725
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Speaker 6: different are not the reason your healthcare costs are too high,

726
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Speaker 6: or why our roads are in disrepair, why we have

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Speaker 6: a housing crisis, or why teachers are leaving the profession.

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Speaker 6: And I put the video of the speech online, thinking

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Speaker 6: that's it, and then jokes on me. Tens of millions

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Speaker 6: of people saw it within twenty four hours, and I

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Speaker 6: was on CNN and MSNBC Now, ms NOW and Fox

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Speaker 6: News called me liberal Karen with a headband.

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Speaker 2: That's right, you did have a headband well, and it was.

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Speaker 6: You know, it was funny. I was postpartum at that

735
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Speaker 6: point and I had for terrible hair loss, so that's

736
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Speaker 6: why it was up in a headband. But the response

737
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Speaker 6: that I got to that speech it was months. Even

738
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Speaker 6: just this week, I don't know why. I've started to

739
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 6: see it recirculating again online. It feels like every few

740
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Speaker 6: months it kind of comes back and it picks up steam.

741
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Speaker 6: And people wrote me their life story. My po box

742
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Speaker 6: was stuffed with letters for months and months on end,

743
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Speaker 6: and I would get emails from Republicans and Democrats and

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Speaker 6: people who were furious, people who are religious, people who

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Speaker 6: are not religious, who just said thank you. And I

746
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 6: was dragged back into this work in a really unexpected

747
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 6: way because I realized, Okay, I've just been handed a

748
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Speaker 6: spotlight and we can choose to do something with it.

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Speaker 6: So I brought on Liz Smith. My husband connected with her,

750
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Speaker 6: actually DMed her and said, do you want to talk

751
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Speaker 6: to my wife? We came up with this plan of

752
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Speaker 6: what if we tried to raise a million dollars to

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Speaker 6: help flip the state Senate, Because, like the speech is great,

754
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Speaker 6: but we had to prove that this tactic didn't work,

755
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 6: and the only way to do that was we got

756
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Speaker 6: to take away their power. And we ended up raising

757
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 6: millions of dollars into a state pack that i'd opened.

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Speaker 6: I supported a dozen other candidates running for state Senate,

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Speaker 6: brought my volunteers all across the state, and we helped

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Speaker 6: flip control of the State Senate for the first time

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Speaker 6: in my entire lifetime. So I think it's all of

762
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 6: that that I bring with me into this campaign. It

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Speaker 6: is communication, It's knowing how to throw a punch, but

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Speaker 6: doing it strategically, because at the end of day, it's

765
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Speaker 6: not about going viral. It's about building power to actually

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Speaker 6: fight back against these people and past policies that help people.

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Speaker 1: You have gotten some pushback from one of the other

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Speaker 1: candidates on your stance on ice. Talk us through what

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Speaker 1: you're thinking is on ice? Also is ice in Michigan

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Speaker 1: right now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? They are.

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Speaker 6: They are in Romulus, which is downriver in Detroit. Ice

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Speaker 6: actually outbid an auto supplier, a Toyota Auto supplier to

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Speaker 6: buy a warehouse to open a new detention center. So

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Speaker 6: I just I want everybody to really grapple with the

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Speaker 6: Trump administration is taking jobs and economic development away from

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Speaker 6: a community that needs it to hows human beings in

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Speaker 6: a warehouse? So I will be out at a protest

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Speaker 6: on Monday. They're opening an operations facility in Southfield outside

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Speaker 6: of Detroit. We have a detention center in Baldwin where

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Speaker 6: you know, over eighty five percent of the people housed

782
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Speaker 6: in that detention center have no criminal conviction whatsoever. There

783
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Speaker 6: was a dad who was picked up, who owns a

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Speaker 6: painting company that's done nothing wrong, picked up when he

785
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Speaker 6: dropped his kid off at school. Hasn't been seen in

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Speaker 6: a year. Out in Grand Rapids. Another dad was picked

787
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Speaker 6: up after dropping his kid off at the bus. So

788
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Speaker 6: the entire bus full of kids watched this happen. And

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Speaker 6: what I say is is unequivocal. Ice needs to be

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Speaker 6: out of our communities. Immediately, get him off of our streets.

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Speaker 6: They are not doing their jobs. We do not need

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Speaker 6: roving patrols of secret police terrorizing our communities and frankly

793
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Speaker 6: making the job of local law enforcement that much harder

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Speaker 6: because they're eroding and breaking the trust that that law

795
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Speaker 6: enforcement officers work so hard to build. And then, you know,

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Speaker 6: I have been echoing the calls of people like Chris

797
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Speaker 6: Murphy to say, you know, the Senate holds the power

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Speaker 6: right now and should deny DHS a single penny more

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Speaker 6: until you know, not even nibbling around the edges on reforms,

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Speaker 6: but a complete overhaul of this agency from the ground up.

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Speaker 6: Fire christin home fire, any of the agents who have

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Speaker 6: been hired in the last year, who haven't had proper vetting,

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Speaker 6: who haven't had proper training. Make sure there are strict

804
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Speaker 6: use of force protocols and actual ramifications if those are violated,

805
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Speaker 6: end roving patrols period reassert our constitutional rights to our

806
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 6: homes not being entered without a judicial warrant. Make sure

807
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Speaker 6: there's training, and there's vetting. I mean, all of that.

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Speaker 6: You have to rebuild it completely, and the Senate has

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Speaker 6: the power to do that right now. I know the

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Speaker 6: criticism from my opponent that you're talking about it sounds

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Speaker 6: nice to yell slogans. It does, but Democrats don't have

812
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Speaker 6: the power right now. Democrats don't control the Congress, Democrats

813
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 6: don't control the Senate. Democrats don't control the presidency. The

814
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Speaker 6: leverage that they have, and this is where experience as

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Speaker 6: a legislator matters, is in the budget, and you got

816
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Speaker 6: to use that budget to extract every change that we

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Speaker 6: need so that this agency does what it's supposed to do,

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Speaker 6: which is immigrations and customs enforcement, not terrorizing our communities.

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Speaker 1: Do you also think, and this is a real question

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Speaker 1: for Democrats for winning in the twenty twenty eight cycle,

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Speaker 1: one of the things we saw was that during primaries,

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Speaker 1: candidates were pushed to take positions that might be more

823
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Speaker 1: like our dream positions, but positions that if you're running

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Speaker 1: in a purple state for the Senate against a senator

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Speaker 1: who is not a complete lunatic, might be used against

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Speaker 1: you later in the campaign.

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Speaker 6: I think that's right. I just fundamentally believe like rhetoric

828
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Speaker 6: is nice and it makes you feel good, but we

829
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Speaker 6: have to think about results. How do you actually make

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Speaker 6: the change that you want to see? And you're right,

831
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Speaker 6: especially on purple state. Alyssa. Slotkin barely won against this

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Speaker 6: same guy who's running again last cycle. So he comes

833
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Speaker 6: into this race with universal name ID and mind you,

834
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Speaker 6: he had been a congressman in Michigan years ago, so

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Speaker 6: people already knew him and our party, Democrats, I mean

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Speaker 6: to win, we have to acknowledge people do want safe communities,

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Speaker 6: they want immigration laws enforce. We need steep overhaul of

838
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Speaker 6: our immigration system to make sure that it's fair, that

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Speaker 6: there are pathways to citizenship, that we can continue to

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Speaker 6: attract the best and brightest to this country. And we

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Speaker 6: need secure borders. Michigan is a border state. A lot

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Speaker 6: of people forget that, and what this agency is doing

843
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 6: is not law enforcement. It's not and they had the

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Speaker 6: steepest increase of anything in our federal budget at the

845
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Speaker 6: same moment where the Trump administration is slashing Medicaid, Medicare,

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Speaker 6: Social Security snap benefits, saying we can't have any of

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Speaker 6: these benefits, but we're going to allow secret police go

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Speaker 6: and terrorize and you know, shoot and kill Americans with

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Speaker 6: no consequences. Two of those things can be true simultaneously.

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Speaker 6: Now there are silver linings. There's a mayor here, the

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Speaker 6: mayor of Sterling Heights, which is in Macomb County, deep

852
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Speaker 6: red Trump country. He is a Republican turned independent, and

853
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Speaker 6: he gave his state of the City address recently where

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Speaker 6: he meants no words about Ice and said that Ice

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Speaker 6: is making the job of law enforcement almost impossible and

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Speaker 6: that world would he ever turn over any resident of

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Speaker 6: his city too, in his words, those monsters.

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Speaker 2: And this is a Republican.

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Speaker 6: This is a Republican And so that has to be

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Speaker 6: where we step in to recognize there is broad agreement

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Speaker 6: across the aisle that what ICE is doing is not

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Speaker 6: law enforcement and it's not its duty. But Democrats also

863
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 6: have to recognize we need to step in and say, yes,

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Speaker 6: we have to enforce our laws. We have to have

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Speaker 6: safe communities, we have to have sensible immigration policies, we

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Speaker 6: need to secure our border, and those things are not

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Speaker 6: at odds with each other. That is the only way

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Speaker 6: you win a state like Michigan and build an actual

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Speaker 6: coalition to govern.

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Speaker 1: This is a primary way. You have pushed back from

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Speaker 1: the laugh I like the doctor, I've interviewed him. He's

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Speaker 1: really great, but you know he's very ensconced he's a

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Speaker 1: Bernie candidate, etc. And then you have pushed back from

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Speaker 1: whoever Haley Stevens is for.

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Speaker 2: It is kind of amazing that you're doing.

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Speaker 1: So wow, isn't this not how it's supposed to be

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Speaker 1: in a Democratic primary.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it just the way you sort of

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Speaker 6: frame that up, and I feel like national reporters watching

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00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 6: this race, you know, this has been called the most

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Speaker 6: fascinating primary in the country. In the future of the

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Speaker 6: Democratic Party is going to depend on what happens in

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Speaker 6: this race. That there is this like desire to put

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Speaker 6: the three of us in a clear lane. That's just

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Speaker 6: not how regular people think. I mean, there are people

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Speaker 6: here who voted for Rick Snyder and Gretchen Whitmer. There

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Speaker 6: are people who voted for Bernie Sanders and Donald Trum.

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Speaker 6: You do not register by party in Michigan. We have

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Speaker 6: open primaries, so you walk into your polling place, you

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Speaker 6: will get a ballot that has the Democratic primary, the

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Speaker 6: Republican party. You pick a lane on the spot in

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Speaker 6: which one I want to vote in. And Michiganers are

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Speaker 6: fiercely independent and like to make decisions for themselves. So

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Speaker 6: my theory of the case was, let's reject the lanes

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Speaker 6: and the Democratic Party needs to build the broadest coalition possible,

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Speaker 6: and we need to pick up independence Republicans who are

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Speaker 6: not mega Republicans because that is the only way we

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Speaker 6: win here. That is how I won my first election.

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Speaker 6: That's how I swung a district twenty points by picking

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Speaker 6: up a lot of Mitt Romney Republicans who had never

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Speaker 6: voted for a Democrat before. That's how we flipped control

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Speaker 6: of the entire state Senate in a purple state. That

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Speaker 6: is the way forward. So I am really proud of

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Speaker 6: my team for executing. I mean, we work our assets

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Speaker 6: off on this campaign. We're doing more public events than

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Speaker 6: anybody else, and it shows. We had an event out

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Speaker 6: in Grand Rapids, which not always a Democratic stronghold and

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Speaker 6: still isn't. It's trending blue, but it's Betsy Davos's hometown,

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Speaker 6: and we had an event to announce state Senate majority

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Speaker 6: leader winning Brinks endorsing me. We held it at a brewery.

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Speaker 6: There was a line around the block and there were

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Speaker 6: people who told us they were waiting to get in,

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Speaker 6: and eventually they had to go home because they just

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Speaker 6: couldn't get in. And that's that's a great sign. But

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Speaker 6: that to me is people are looking for rational, reasonable,

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Speaker 6: somebody who understands me and what I'm going through and

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Speaker 6: who isn't so wed to like a political purity test

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Speaker 6: of a lane, because that's not how you get shit

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Speaker 6: done in a place like Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Mallory, Thank you, Molly.

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Speaker 4: No. Rick Wilson, Hello Molly, it's that time.

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Speaker 2: It's that time.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has told Netflix to remove Susan Rice from

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Speaker 1: its board or quote face the consequences, because nothing says

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Speaker 1: democracy like picking on corporate boards.

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Speaker 2: Discuss.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's say this.

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Speaker 5: When Susan Rice came out and said, we're gonna have

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Speaker 5: to have a period of like national reconciliation when all

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Speaker 5: this is over, she is absolutely correct, and she put

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Speaker 5: it about as mildly as possible, because mine involves tumbrels, pitchforks,

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Speaker 5: torches and guillotines.

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Speaker 4: Hers is just like woll we got to talk this through.

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Speaker 5: But Donald Trump had an absolute hissy fit explosion. You know,

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Speaker 5: nethinks very liberal must be destroyed because Susan Rice came

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Speaker 5: out and spoke the truth. And I think this is

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Speaker 5: one more of these examples where if Barack Obama had

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Speaker 5: been mad at a Republican on a board somewhere instead something, imagine,

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Speaker 5: Fox News would have a twenty four hour a day,

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Speaker 5: you know, authoritarian watch. And this is exactly the kind

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Speaker 5: of fuckery that Trump is throwing out there to please

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Speaker 5: his base and to keep his control over corporate America,

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Speaker 5: which so far has been very effective.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, Trump is an autocrat who has been

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Speaker 1: winning and winning. And from Jeff Bezos to Mark Zuckerberg,

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Speaker 1: the people who have sat at his inauguration, they have

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Speaker 1: made this possible.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is a monster you created.

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Speaker 4: Hey.

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Speaker 5: Look, these guys have built a system, and they told

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Speaker 5: us this system is perfectly good and legal and fine.

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Speaker 5: It is the desirable system by which power is exercised

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Speaker 5: in corporate America, by the White House, by the executive Okay, fine,

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Speaker 5: that's great. Alex Karp from Pollenteer and Sam Altman from

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Speaker 5: Open AI and all these other people that have been

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Speaker 5: massive supporters of Donald Trump, when the jackboot is on

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Speaker 5: the other foot, I don't want them to say a

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Speaker 5: fucking word.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll be totally cool. Oh yeah, thank you,

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Speaker 2: see it soon.

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