1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shonda land Audio 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: in partnership with I Heart Radio. Just a quick disclaimer, 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: this episode was recorded pre pandemic. Hi, everybody, we are 4 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: back with another episode on Katie's Crib, um one that 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: I know you guys are going to find very informative. 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: This This topic came about because a few of my 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: friends have kids that are slightly older than Alby, so 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 1: I always looked to them to like, tell me what 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: the hell is going on? And their kids are currently 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: an occupational therapy and I was like, wait, what is 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: occupational therapy? I don't know much about it. So when 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: a mutual friend introduced me to Marlene Handler, who I 13 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: have sitting across from me, I knew I had to 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: have her on the crib and I have to ask 15 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: her all my questions, so you know. Marlene is an 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: occupational therapist who currently works at a high school called 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Transition Center, where the curriculum is designed with 18 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: the focus on basic vocational training. She integrates mindfulness and 19 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: wellness strategies into her personal practice to help her students 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: navigate everyday stressors and function better at school. Hi, Marlene, Hi, Katie, 21 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank 22 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: you so much for having my gosh, my pleasure. Like, 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: what is occupational therapy? Can you tell me? Goodness, tell 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: me seriously the million dollar question? Does everybody ask you that? 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: You know? It's funny because all through OT school, everybody 26 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: is like, what is OT? What is it? We're studying 27 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: this and what is It's so so broad, it's so broad, 28 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: it's like all encompassing. I think the simplest way to 29 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: explain it is that it's helping people engage in the 30 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: activities that they find meaningful throughout their day in a 31 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: more functional way, in a more independent way. So I mean, 32 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: and this can range from adult children to adults, Like 33 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: it's through the entire lifespan like zero to a million, 34 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: because it involves a lot of caretaking and it involves 35 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: a lot of likea I mean, it's like helping people 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: like holistically thinking about everything that you engage in your 37 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: life and what you want to do and what's meaningful 38 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: to you and really tailoring a plan to like help 39 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: you be more functional and more independent and those activities. 40 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: So it could really be everything like gardening, being a mom, 41 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: being more organized with your job, learning vocational training, even 42 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: just learning how to socialize better with people or your peers, 43 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: or I mean I work in a school, so it's 44 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: like play and and like academic success and socialization. So 45 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: it's truly a case It sounds like it's truly a 46 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: case by case plan for someone how to get them 47 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: um moving in the way that they want to be. Yes. 48 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: So when you walk into a classroom, you have to 49 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: gather a lot of information about what does the student need, 50 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: what does the teacher think they need, What are their 51 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: parents think they need, what are they kind of are 52 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: they at the same level as their peers, all of 53 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: these things you're looking at. Some kids I see in 54 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: the classroom. Some kids I see like in the cafeteria 55 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: if it's like during like feeding or manipulating a spoon. 56 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: It just really I like, go to them wherever they 57 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: need me. Wow. But a lot of them come to 58 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: the O T room. And I'm very, very fortunate to 59 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: work with an amazing team of ot s in my 60 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: school and have our own space because a lot of 61 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, New York City public schools like OTS, don't 62 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: have any space. They're treating in the hallway. They like 63 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 1: they get like a hundred dollars a year for like supplies. 64 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: This is not my school. My school is outstanding. O 65 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: T s are so like underrepresented. The name implies, like 66 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: most people think the name. We need a rebranding of occupations. 67 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: Occupational therapists need to go to like a branding manager 68 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: and get their ship together. I've been saying this is absurd. 69 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: It sounds sounds like we like help people with job applications. 70 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: What is that? I know? Trust me? Why I know 71 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: we need to rebrand the O T profession. This is 72 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: why I think we don't get a lot of I 73 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: don't know, love or you know, you know, public knowledge. 74 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: Are people constantly in your life like, wait, what do 75 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: you do for a living? Like? Are your parents like 76 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: what I think? You know? It's funny my mom is 77 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: still like, UM, I know you're not a teacher, but 78 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: we just like tell that to our friends because they 79 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: don't really understand. Like so many people in my life, 80 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: they're like, I know you're not a teacher, but I'm 81 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: still not quite sure what you do. What would be 82 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: um examples of like what you're doing in the day. 83 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: I know each one is very varied. Okay, let's just 84 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: pick one the first one that comes to your mind. 85 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 1: A lot of the kids in my school, many of 86 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: them are non verbal or have very limited verbal skills. 87 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: So you imagine being sixteen years old having raging hormones. 88 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: You're you have special needs, so you can't like express 89 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: your function in the world like most people, and then 90 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: you also can't express yourself. So I do a ton 91 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: of like movement based activities, yoga, exercise, we have tons 92 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: of dance parties, just really fun, engaging, full body movements. 93 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: And then we do a lot of grounding work, which 94 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: is like devating meditation, guided meditations, body scans, um, closing 95 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: our eyes in a dark room and just feeling like 96 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,679 Speaker 1: taking breaths. I mean really just that that is really 97 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: beneficial for the kids that I work with, because they 98 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: already have a lot of difficulty with expressing themselves and 99 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: they get frustrated really easily. They act out in ways 100 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: that are really aggressive. That's the other thing is like 101 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: teachers like, oh, I can't deal with this kid. They're 102 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: hitting my other students or they're throwing things. And then 103 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: you walk into a classroom and you do like a 104 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: dance party and you have them do some yoga and 105 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: like the rest of the rest of the day, the 106 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: kids like chilled out, And that's like what I mean, 107 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: that's obviously the you know, the most successful thing that 108 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: you can wish for. Um, it doesn't always happen that way, 109 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: but you know, in terms of success stories, I see 110 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: tons of kids all the time that have really really big, 111 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: explosive behaviors, and then I start doing like weekly meditations 112 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: with them, and things get a lot smoother. They calm down. 113 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: They come immediately into the O T room and they 114 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: pick up the headphones to gesture that they want to 115 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: do a meditation. A meditation is on headphones for some students. Yeah, 116 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: that like need less distractions rather than doing it like 117 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: on a speaker in order to cope with everyday stressors 118 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: like mindfulness and yoga and movement is really helpful for 119 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: all of us. I mean, it's something that I do 120 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: every day too. Um So I practice what I preached, 121 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: but it's definitely a practice it with their own kids. 122 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: I absolutely, Oh my gosh, tell me more I need 123 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: to be doing this. How old are your kids? Well, 124 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: my daughter, um I won't say her name on air, 125 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: but she just turned four in November and she's got 126 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: big feelings and big emotions, and we send her to 127 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: med Aitaian camp and yoga. Like my daughter like retains 128 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: so much. Like she'll be frustrated and she'll be like, 129 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: I need to smell the flowers and blow out the candles. 130 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: I need to go sit in my tap. Imagine what 131 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: it's like for being a kid in days this day 132 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: and age, like when screens and everything's in your face 133 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: and we are at such a high frequency and culturally, 134 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: I mean we are just plus they're living in New York, 135 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: but like to just really take time. I mean, it's 136 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: just very different from my childhood. I just remember like 137 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: hours of boredom and like I just feel like which 138 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: is so important because that's where imagination comes out of 139 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: and that's where when you're a kid you start to 140 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: create games for yourself. But like that is just not 141 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: not something anymore. It's it's a shame because it's you know, 142 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: there's I know how sensory overloaded I get, and I 143 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: have all of these tools at your disposal. I have 144 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: like frontal cortex function, and I like know what you 145 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: know what's going on. I mean, children have no idea, 146 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: and kids with special needs extremely don't know, like they 147 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: really did have a hard time. How early can occupational 148 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: therapy because I think my friends in l A who 149 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: have occupational therapists, I think some of them have started 150 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: pretty young. Yeah, so it starts like in New York 151 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: State specifically, you can get early intervention services from birth 152 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: and if you need an evaluation or your pediatrician says, 153 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, your kid is not hitting major mark. Remember 154 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: happening my friend had like a maybe it was a 155 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: thirteen month old girl, and you know, she only had 156 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: a sound or something and they weren't saying anything yet. 157 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: But then you know, the doctor was just sort of like, Okay, 158 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: if we come back at eighteen months or two years 159 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: and she hasn't progressed to like two words or something 160 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: like that, I don't. I'm like being so don't take 161 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: that personally, you know, I mean, don't be measuring your 162 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: child's word account. Talk to your pedetrition. But um, it 163 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: was like that was the first sign. And then they 164 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: had him evaluated and then evaluated again, and then probably 165 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: around three they told her he's autistic. And that's but 166 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: it was great because they put him in occupational therapy, 167 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: speech therapy, all these kinds of things, which is really 168 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: helpful at that age because that's obviously there's the most 169 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: coming together happening in your brain, and that's when you 170 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: have really really make big changes and big strides. What 171 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: what would be signs like milestones of Toddler's correct like 172 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: like not hitting developmental milestones, not engaging, it's a lot 173 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: of contact, Like if you point to something across the 174 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: room as your kid engaging with you, are they able 175 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: to look their peers, are you know, animals in the 176 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: eyes like things like that. I mean, I don't know, 177 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor that be diagnosing autism, but those markers, 178 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: you know, are they able to you know, have parallel 179 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: play or cooperative play with their peers like these kinds 180 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: of things. But I have to say I was pretty 181 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: shocked and alarmed at the cost for private For instance, 182 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: insurance would cover certain hours for her. But like when 183 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: she wanted to put him in preschool, they said what 184 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: was best for him and his diagnosis was for him 185 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: to be in a preschool, like not a preschool for 186 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: special special needs, but that they wanted him to have 187 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: a shadow like someone that goes then because he's someone 188 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: that really copies, like he's a copier. So they were like, 189 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,359 Speaker 1: the more he is around kids in a regular preschool, 190 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: he's going to learn that stuff really quick because he 191 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: was very good at that. And but she had to 192 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: pay out a pocket. Yeah, a lot of people just 193 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: don't have access to good care, which is really shame. 194 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: And I mean a lot of the kids in the 195 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: school that I work as well, they're from you know, 196 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: lower socio economic backgrounds, and they didn't have a lot 197 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: of the supports early on and these because I feel 198 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: like early on it's very much out of until you 199 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: can get in this system. I mean in New York 200 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: State because of EI services, you can get free state 201 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: funded support, the you know, proficiency or the there's a 202 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: range of people doing it. So is it are you 203 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: getting getting quality? Who knows? That's really it's various depending 204 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: on where you live and who's available. But there are 205 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: services and then there the services continue from basically pre 206 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: K through twenty one within the school system if they 207 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: are evaluated within the school system for needing special accommodations. 208 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: So there are free services. Again, good quality is very 209 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: Do you find that people talk about in your profession 210 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: that there are more autistic kids now or is that 211 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: not true. Is this like, is this like a very 212 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: triggering question? I'm not sure I've heard it a before, 213 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: is why I'm asking it. Like, So, I looked just 214 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: today at the statistics these guys. Did I tell you 215 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: Marlene Handler came in here with just she's such a professional, 216 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: and I just can't believe how many no cards you 217 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: have written night Adoria. Um, so tell me what are 218 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: the statistics on this? So today when I looked, it's 219 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: one in thirty seven boys and one in a hundred 220 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 1: and fifty one girls. So there, like the stats are 221 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: changing so quickly because a few years ago it was 222 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: like one in fifty nine boys, and now it's one 223 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: in thirty seven. I think it's because obviously it's many factors. 224 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: They're honing the diagnostic criteria, they're finding it earlier, right, So, 225 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: like there are probably many people walking around with some 226 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: variation or some you know, level of autism or Aspergers 227 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: or something, and they're functioning in the world fine, but 228 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: they're you know, they're getting better at finding it and 229 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: diagnosing it early. And it's I think it's like as 230 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: early as like I want to say, like ten months. 231 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: I'm thirty seven, and I don't remember even hearing this word. 232 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: I know that when I grew up in New York, 233 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: there were definitely kids in my high school with Down syndrome. Yes, 234 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: for sure, that was and it was something in our lives. 235 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: It was on our TV shows. There were characters on 236 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: our TV shows. You know, that was something I knew. 237 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: I never knew autism and I never knew askers for sure. 238 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: And I just feel like it's a real thing now, 239 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: especially when you're when you're a new mom and you 240 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: hear other moms standing on you know, soap boxes talking 241 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: about you know, whether it's backs well kids because you're 242 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: going to give them autism and slow down that I 243 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: didn't know. You know, you hear all these things, whether 244 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: everything is up just for some reason in culturally, like 245 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: in the zeitgeist, you hear this kind of stuff. But 246 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: obviously we're hearing it because the numbers are staggeringly high. 247 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: It's crazy, like that's that's not a little bit that 248 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: I know of the diagnosis and everything. It's like, it's 249 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: definitely genetic factors. If you have a kid with autism already, 250 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: you're you're more likely to have another kid with autism 251 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: or some level of it. Um you know age there's 252 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: women like women and men. This is another big thing 253 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: in like big urban areas is that we're having children 254 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: much later in life. The mean age before it was 255 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: like twenty two and now it's like or something. You know, 256 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: Like I always worried. I mean I'm forty. I have 257 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: a one year old and a four year old. Like 258 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: I was definitely right there with you know, I hope 259 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: everything is okay. And I work around kids that have 260 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: a lot of special needs and I see it all day, 261 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: so it's like it's always in my face and I'm like, 262 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: oh my god, the likelihood is so high. What what 263 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: are some like are there are some success stories you've 264 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: seen with OT for some of your students, like where 265 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: you've seen O TEA makes such a huge difference. I 266 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: mean every day I see some sort of success, you know, 267 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: in terms of like a kid making a social gesture 268 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: to another kid. I mean that's so big and huge. Yeah. Um. 269 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: One of the things that my coworkers and I do 270 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: we run like a weekly cooking group and it's so fun. 271 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: I mean we're teaching these kids really really important and 272 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: necessary skills for themselves to like be able to make 273 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: themselves a meal, but there's so much that goes into it, 274 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, learning to do like a task that has 275 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: more than one to two steps, that's really hard. Um 276 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: socializing with their friends, to like set a table, to 277 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: gather ingredients, to clean up, Like these are all really 278 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: you know, to us, it's like, oh, that's like set 279 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: a table, like that's so simple and whatever. But real life, 280 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: so you're doing real life skills, you know, like kids 281 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: that like learn to put on their jacket by themselves 282 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: that have never been able to do that before. That's 283 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: that are fifteen years old. You know. It's like or 284 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, I had a kid once that his I'm 285 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: not sure why. At his otique goal for many many 286 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: years was like to be able to write his name. 287 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: And I was like, this is just ridiculous. This kid 288 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: is like six years of the same goal. Like obviously, 289 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: like we have to think of a different strategy here, 290 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: you know. And we just started playing around with like 291 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: different modalities like shaving cream and you know, putty and 292 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: all these different things, and he just started like making 293 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: shapes of the letters of his name and now he 294 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: writes his name. It's like just teaching them a different 295 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: It's like every day. You have to really be creative 296 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: and think about like how am I going to reach 297 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: this kid today? Bless you that you're really use outside 298 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: of the box thinking. Um, I was going to ask 299 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: you what happens to your kids at school that are 300 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: twenty one and they're done with the program? Like where 301 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: do they go? So there are Again New York City 302 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: is a very unique place. There are tons of agencies 303 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: and support services for kids once they we say age out, 304 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: like in quotes, Um, there's like respite services that can 305 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: be taken to the movies, it can be taken to 306 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: summer camp, they can work in day have programs, um. 307 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 1: But it's a huge, huge process like years of you know, 308 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: evaluations and psycho socials and doctor visits and all this stuff, 309 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: and like a lot of people just don't want to 310 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: go through all that bullshit basically to get the services. 311 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: But like then they end up sitting at home for 312 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: the rest of their lives or they go into like 313 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: nursing you know, assisted living facility because they become too dependent. 314 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: They can't do anything, can't do anything the day jobs 315 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: or night jobs or whatever it is. And so yeah, 316 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: it's really really sad. Actually it is. Mind blowing to 317 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: think about having a special needs kid who will be 318 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: your responsibility probably till pass your passing. Well, then I'm 319 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: when I go to these meetings. Yeah, it's terrifying when 320 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: I go to the meetings with the parents. But we have, 321 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: you know, these meetings called individualized education plans, and we 322 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: meet with the family and we meet with the team 323 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: and kind of discuss what the kid is doing well 324 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: and what they need more support with a lot of 325 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: these parents are like, what am I going to do? 326 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: Like my kids, my kid is only sixteen, I only 327 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: have five years? What am I going to do? And 328 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: they're just terrified, like what if something happens to me? 329 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: You know, And it's like, I mean, I've i cannot 330 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: tell you the amount of times I've walked away from 331 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: these meetings in tears, Like I'm like the mountains that 332 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: these people are climbing every single day is profound, and 333 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: I you know, I feel like so incredibly grateful to 334 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: have two healthy children and be able to communicate with 335 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: them and they can express them. Yeah, yeah, I mean, 336 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: simple things, but these chants also, you know, they have 337 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: so much stress on their plates. So they have health 338 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: problems and they have financial problems, and they have all 339 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: these things, and it's like, if I can just help 340 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: in like the smallest way, I feel like I'm doing 341 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: something good, you know, each day. I mean, especially when 342 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: I hear these staggering numbers, I'm like, how do you 343 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: not take that home with you? I think somebody who's good, 344 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: Like when you get in your subway or car, you're 345 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: like transition. I do take a little bit home with me. 346 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: But I also like I have like my own, like 347 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: a million of my own strategies that I use every 348 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: single day, Like I meditate regularly every single people. We 349 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: need to get it together. I need to let you win. 350 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: What time do you do that? I wake up at 351 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: five thirty every day, I get out of here, I 352 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: set my alarm. My kids get up at seven, so 353 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: I wake up and meditate, I work out. Arlen go 354 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: way from me. This is why you look the way 355 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: you do, And I mean, this is the way car, 356 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: this is the way that I stay safe. And then 357 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: I work in a way that's healthy. For what if 358 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: you don't get sleep though I often don't get sleep, 359 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: So you rather wake up at five thirty meditated workout 360 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: because you feel like that will be more beneficial to 361 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: your day and how you handle these versus the alarm. 362 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: See convinced that side of my brain because I don't 363 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: ever make that choice? Can we? We're gonna make like 364 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: a very sharp left turn. Listeners, Um, Marlene, you are, 365 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: but you are leaving a little bit of this job, 366 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: like you are going to go into a different sort 367 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: of helping world. Marlene will be helping pelvic floors from 368 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: here on out. Finger. I know we talked about the 369 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 1: pelvic floor finger banging episode with Stephanie prender Grass from 370 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: My Believe Season one of Katie's Crib, but it was 371 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: in the thing why are you switching from this to 372 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: the other? Like what what is inspiring this? I mean, 373 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: you're a mom, so do I really have to go 374 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: into a full You sort of told me a little 375 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: bit your own pelvic floor stuff fascination and experience with 376 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: birthing to childre started having really a lot of peblvic 377 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: floor dace function, you know, really embarrassing things like continence, 378 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: all these things, and it's like really embarrassing and limiting 379 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,239 Speaker 1: to like the activities that I love physically fit and 380 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: you're so active for you to have to worry about 381 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: whether or not you were going to pee is insane 382 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: and my job is like I don't get too special 383 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: needs children on nyoga balls. Yes, so I just started. 384 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: I was really embarrassed. At first, I didn't talk about it, 385 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: and then once I started talking about it, every single 386 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: person I know was like, oh my god, me too. 387 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh my god, this is 388 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: not normal. We're young, like healthy women. What is going on? 389 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: This is not normal. We're not being offered the help 390 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: where to be. And then yeah, I just started talking 391 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: to a ton of people. I started learning about it. 392 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: I read a bunch of research, and the statistics on 393 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: the pelvic floor dysfunction are just insane. I mean, like, 394 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, fifty percent of women like after after 395 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: one child. You know, it's just crazy. Yeah. And then 396 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: and then it's something really shameful. So a lot of 397 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: people aren't even reporting it. Of course, so it's probably 398 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: more like eight p UM. So yeah, So I just 399 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: started talking to people about it, and I was like, 400 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: let me take a course and just learn a little 401 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: bit more. So I'm currently getting trained in pelvic floor 402 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: rehabilitation and my hope is that by late spring I 403 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: will be launching my private practice in Brooklyn as a 404 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: based private home base. People come to your house, you 405 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: go to there, go to their home. Oh my god. 406 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: And also you being able to take all of your 407 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: mindful work, your mindfulness, and it's so so much about 408 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: like just kind of that mind body connection, getting accessing 409 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: your avic floor, breathing properly, your posture, how you sit, 410 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: how you hold your child, how you sleep. I mean, 411 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: all of these things are so critical. The way that 412 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: we exercise. I mean, people think they're doing good for 413 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: their bodies and they're not, and they're doing horrible things 414 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: to their pelvic floor. What I learned, Thank god, I went. 415 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: First of all, she examined me and massaged me internally 416 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: and externally. And I'm going to tell you, guys, like 417 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: that's what it involves. And no, it is not like 418 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to have Like it's not in any way 419 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: shape form sexual you guys. Um. Also, I don't know 420 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: if any of their moms had this or you, but 421 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: not only the p problem, but my orgasm was completely 422 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: fucked up, completely, Like it was like a gun like sadness, 423 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: right because because all the muscles are blown out and 424 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: nobody tells you that. No, good luck with your baby. 425 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: Good luck if you ever want to enjoy sex again. Um, 426 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: but it was really great to go to her, and 427 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: I feel very lucky that I and I just feeling 428 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: term that other moms don't get that access even though 429 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: that a public force, but specialists exists. Sadly, they have 430 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: to probably pay for it out of pocket. It's like 431 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: a new thing in the US. Like sadly, I mean, 432 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: most developed countries have been having public floor physical therapy 433 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: or some sort of public floor rehabilitation for years, and 434 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: it's mandatory after you have a baby. Only in the 435 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: US do people not know about it. I won't mention 436 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: my doctor's name, but when I went to my six 437 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: week appointment, I said, listen, doc, like, what's going on 438 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: with this thing hanging out of a prolapse? I had 439 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: something that I was not sure what it was. And 440 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: the doctor goes, listen, sweetheart, tell your husband never to 441 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: look there again. Everything works and just continue on. And 442 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: I was like, what you ask? It's not like, is 443 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: this thing happening? Like no, like, let me refer you 444 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: to a specially friends. I have not to scare any 445 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: of you women listening currently pregnant, but like I have 446 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: a lot of friends who had pro lapse uterus, prolapse, 447 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: bladder a proas anus, all of those things. And this 448 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: is not This is the ship that is not being 449 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: talked to. This is exactly. This is like the down 450 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: and dirty, like why are we suffering? This sucks? Oh, 451 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: we carried all of your babies, push them out of 452 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: agenda and they're weapon so you are taking I feel like, actually, 453 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: so many of the skill sets that probably make you 454 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: an incredible occupational therapist are making you an amazing public 455 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: floor specialist hopefully, oh without a doubt, because you're a 456 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: caretaker and you are and I'm a person who's lived 457 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: through it to through it too. Um, And is there 458 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: any advice like that you'd want to give to parents 459 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: listening to this podcast who might be going down the 460 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: OT path? Yeah, I mean I think you know, it's 461 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: obviously when you have anybody even mentioned that your kid 462 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: might need o T, that's terrifying. I've had ends reach 463 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: out to me and say, oh my god, you know, 464 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: the teacher says they my kids should be evaluated. I'm like, okay, 465 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: first of all, let's take a few deep breaths. It's 466 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: not as scary as you think. And ultimately what we 467 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: do as otis is encouraged success. So like, even as 468 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: scary as it may sound, it's super fun, it's super playful. 469 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: It's we want to figure out the best way that's 470 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: going to support your kid, and giving them some extra 471 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: love and support and encouragement is never a bad thing, 472 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, and maybe they only need it for a 473 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: short time. That's the benefit of starting so early. I mean, 474 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: I say, if you somebody says to get an evaluation, 475 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: do it, and do it sooner, like sooner, like, don't 476 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: put it off until the kid gets older, because like 477 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: you want to see if we can support them while 478 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: they're young, while their brain is developing, and really give 479 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: them the best tools for success as possible. And then 480 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: to make another ruinating return. Advice for women struggling with 481 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: their pelvic floors reach out to Yeah, like it's I 482 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: know that it's scary. I mean I also as somebody 483 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: that's now studying it and learning about it, have been 484 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: really nervous and like the powers and like getting help 485 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: and getting the education and just you know, you can 486 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: have so many like benefits long term just from a 487 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: very very short Yeah, like therapy gets six sessions and 488 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: it could be the thing that makes the difference between 489 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: you meet having an organism, yeah, or having a surgury 490 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: by the time you're forty, because everything just everything is 491 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: calling up, falling out. Yeah, right, so get help, help, 492 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: and the therapists are really there to like make it 493 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 1: smooth and easy for you. And we're looking at like, 494 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: you know, six to twelve sessions and you're like functioning again. 495 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: One hunt. That was exactly. It's not like it never happened. 496 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: It's not like talk therapy, Like I go to talk 497 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: therapy and I'm like, oh my god, I could be 498 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: in this. Tell him a hundred years old and this sucks. 499 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: It's like Fellos for therapy. You can see results very rests, 500 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: very fast. So just get yourself some help, like that's 501 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: my advice, and call me or email me if you 502 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: call Charlene. You guys when Marlene's private practice, it's fun 503 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: saying that it's so great, like like the TV show 504 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: brought to you by SHAWNA. Rhymes. Um, when this becomes available, 505 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: we will list um. I will post it for sure 506 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: and we will be listening it in the Katie's Crib 507 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: notes where we can make appointments with Marlene Handler if 508 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: you're in the Tri State area. Once you start, I 509 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: can also give you email If people have any great 510 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 1: OT question based related questions you can. Thank you so 511 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: much for being on King Wonderful guest and I loved 512 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: how different these two topics are and yet we covered 513 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: so much round h Thank you all for tuning into 514 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: Katie's Crib and for your beautiful messages and reviews. I 515 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: absolutely love connecting with you and hearing your stories and questions. 516 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: So email me at Katie's Crib at Shonda land dot com. 517 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: We may just feature you on an episode, so hit 518 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: me up. Thanks guys. 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