WEBVTT - Lori Vallow Guilty, What's Next

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<v Speaker 1>Crime Stories with Nancy Grease Cole Mom Laurie Valo finally convicted,

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<v Speaker 1>but what about Chad Dabell. And now we learn that

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<v Speaker 1>coltman Laurie Valo, Hey, it ain't over yet. She's heading

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<v Speaker 1>to Arizona for yet another murdered case that in the

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<v Speaker 1>shooting death of her husband, Charles Valo. Now that would

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<v Speaker 1>be her fourth husband, Charles Value. The prophet Chad Dabell

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<v Speaker 1>was number five.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got.

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<v Speaker 1>A pretty sneaky suspicion that the prophet is going off script.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not believe that Unlike his wife, the Goddess

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<v Speaker 1>Laurie Valo, I don't think he's going to stand by

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<v Speaker 1>her at trial. I think he's going to sell her

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<v Speaker 1>straight down the river. Joining me right now is the

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<v Speaker 1>founder and director of the Cold Case Research Institute, forensic

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<v Speaker 1>expert in star of a hit podcast, Zone seven, Cheryl McCollum. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, after we learned that, it's kind of hard

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<v Speaker 1>for it to come out. After we learned that the

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<v Speaker 1>prophet Chad day Bell's penis was named the Storm. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that was like eating a dirt sandwich in court, which

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<v Speaker 1>I've had to do many many times. It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>the prophet Chad day Bill and the Storm are going

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<v Speaker 1>on trial for murder. Tell me your thoughts A on

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<v Speaker 1>the verdict regarding caled Mam Laurie Valo, and B what's

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<v Speaker 1>up for the Storm?

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<v Speaker 3>The verdict was absolutely just an accurate I think that

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of us are waiting and waiting to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to say convicted murderer, you know, Louis Valo, and

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<v Speaker 3>we can do that now, and I think Mother's Day

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<v Speaker 3>is an appropriate weekend to be able to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Regarding the Storm, I think the Storm is going down.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that he yeah, you know what, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to try to ignore your phraseology, but go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>I think putting the.

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<v Speaker 1>Storm and going down in one sentence is just too much,

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<v Speaker 1>but go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just you.

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<v Speaker 3>But she realizes absolutely what's coming for him. So he

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<v Speaker 3>knows one, you've got the murder charge, you know that

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<v Speaker 3>he's facing. But he knows he's probably more than likely

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<v Speaker 3>going to be somehow implicated in what happened to Charles

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<v Speaker 3>because you had a million dollars on the line here,

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<v Speaker 3>you had a crime scene that was staged, and his

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<v Speaker 3>name's going to be all over it. No question about it.

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<v Speaker 1>The extradition off Calmont Laurie Valo to Arizona is coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be weeks, it could be months. We know

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<v Speaker 1>that it's going to be three months until she is sentenced. Interestingly,

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<v Speaker 1>the DPE death penalty off the table for Lori Valo,

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<v Speaker 1>but not so for Chad day Bell.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is what I think is the reasoning behind that.

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<v Speaker 1>As you know, Cheryl McCollum, they are very strict deadlines

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<v Speaker 1>that the state has to meet. I remember, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you may have been there. It's a big blur.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>We have this giant, giant Xerox machine at the District

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney's office. It literally took up a room and there

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<v Speaker 1>was a strict deadline. If I wanted to start a

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<v Speaker 1>trial on let's just say Monday the tenth, very often

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<v Speaker 1>it would be the Friday night before, ten days before

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<v Speaker 1>I would have to be getting out discovery because it

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<v Speaker 1>had to be postmarked ten days.

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<v Speaker 2>Prior to trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Normally I'd hand it over much much longer before that,

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<v Speaker 1>but that is xerox machine would break down and I

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<v Speaker 1>would be in there throwing a fit all alone, to

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<v Speaker 1>be like ten o'clock at night, trying to xerox, the

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<v Speaker 1>defendant statements and the crime lab report and this, and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have shared it with a defense like here,

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<v Speaker 1>you can look at the file, but you had to

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<v Speaker 1>actually give it to them. You couldn't just show it

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<v Speaker 1>to me. You had to give it to them before

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<v Speaker 1>a certain deadline or that evidence would not be allowed

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<v Speaker 1>at trial. You know, scientific reports like this is positive

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<v Speaker 1>for cocaine, and these are his fingerprints, and this says

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<v Speaker 1>the fiber from his.

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<v Speaker 2>Carpet blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, then I would have to drive it to the

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta airport because they had the very last I guess

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<v Speaker 1>FedEx or mailing that would go out at midnight and

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<v Speaker 1>it had to be postmarked that day or it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>come in.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm leading up to something. Just go with me on this.

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<v Speaker 1>As the investigation was, you know, rapidly accelerating leading up

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<v Speaker 1>to trial, the state found evidence like that long blonde

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<v Speaker 1>hair that absolutely DNA proved was Lori Valo's on the

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<v Speaker 1>tape wrapped around seven year old JJ. That happened within

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<v Speaker 1>the discovery period. And I think that a lot, well

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot, some very vital evidence was discovered during

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<v Speaker 1>that period. And it was too late to hand it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was handed over, but it didn't meet the deadlines.

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<v Speaker 2>Now why is that important?

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<v Speaker 1>Because Lori Valo called mal Lauri Valo had filed a

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<v Speaker 1>demand for speedy trial, so the trial couldn't be further no,

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<v Speaker 1>oister continued a month later. It had to be done

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<v Speaker 1>then or else should be acquitted under the law. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's why they took the DP off the table,

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<v Speaker 1>because the state could not not that they were doing

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<v Speaker 1>anything sneaky or nefarious. They could not meet that that deadline.

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<v Speaker 1>And I believe that's why the DP was taken off

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<v Speaker 1>the table.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just me.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a solid reason. But let's talk about the reality.

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<v Speaker 3>If you have the deathiny.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, all the discovery deadlines, they're not real. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that what you're saying?

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, I'm saying something regarding the destinity in prison.

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<v Speaker 3>If you get the destinery, you get a single cell

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<v Speaker 3>by yourself, you get total privacy. I would like to

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<v Speaker 3>see her in general population. I would like for her

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<v Speaker 3>to see the full effect of being in prison the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of her days. That's just me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So that was okay, that was an okay observation.

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<v Speaker 2>But who wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we talk about the strongest evidence at the trial.

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<v Speaker 1>And I believe that hair that I was just describing

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<v Speaker 1>was incredibly, incredibly strong.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah. Another thing, the sexting. While the bodies are

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<v Speaker 1>buried in his pet cemetery, he the prophet and she

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<v Speaker 1>the goddess are exchanging sex messages over and over and

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<v Speaker 1>over as they plot to kill Tammy Dave Bell.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it removes every.

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<v Speaker 1>Shred of a facade of a motherly concern for these children.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything.

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<v Speaker 1>All she is concerned about is hopping in the sick

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<v Speaker 1>at some hotel with Chad Dave Bell, who is complete idiot.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, have you read any of his prophecies?

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<v Speaker 3>I have not, but I want to go back.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh hold on, I think I'm going to gag right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen to this.

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<v Speaker 1>James their pseudonym for each other, James and Olena. James

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<v Speaker 1>took her in his arms and they smiled at each other.

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<v Speaker 1>The vibration in the room was intense. Their hearts reached out.

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<v Speaker 2>To each other in glorious reunion.

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<v Speaker 1>James gently touched the side of Elena's breast and he

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<v Speaker 1>was in ecstasy. You know, there's so much more I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how the jerry kept their lunched down

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<v Speaker 1>looking at these two in court.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Nancy, well James and Elena. Again, they're going to prison,

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<v Speaker 3>so he's gonna have plenty of time to write these

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<v Speaker 3>lovely things to her. But let's go back seriously, because

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<v Speaker 3>when the DNA came back matching Lori Valow to the

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<v Speaker 3>hair that was found on the duct tave yep Aj,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought of you immediately, because you remember with Kasey Anthony.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna have to think that through, but I'll

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<v Speaker 1>save that for another day. When you find out about

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<v Speaker 1>the defendant's hair wrapped in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Duct tape, you thought of me. Thank you. I think

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<v Speaker 2>this first thing I should say, but go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason is because you said something so passionately one

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<v Speaker 3>day and it was so dead accurate. You were like,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no way you're ever gonna find duct tape on

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<v Speaker 3>somebody's face and it not the murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I was talking about the fact that the

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<v Speaker 1>duct tape facilitated the death. It may not have been

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<v Speaker 1>the intentional mode of death, but when you wrap duct

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<v Speaker 1>tape around let's just say, Kaylee Anthony's face around her mouth,

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<v Speaker 1>and knows she's going to die, just like JJ. Of

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<v Speaker 1>course I think he was already dead. But doing that

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<v Speaker 1>to the child, to JJ and her hair being in it,

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<v Speaker 1>not just on his pajamas or his socks or his person,

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<v Speaker 1>which could have come from a hug, but on the

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<v Speaker 1>tape that facilitated his death.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, you no longer have an accident, You no longer

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<v Speaker 3>have something that she's going to be able to explain,

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<v Speaker 3>just like with Casey Anthony, there's no way to explain

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<v Speaker 3>why that action was taken. And when you look at JJ,

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<v Speaker 3>him having the scratches on his throat, that to me

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<v Speaker 3>was when the devil walked in that room, because that

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<v Speaker 3>baby tried to save himself. And cook.

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<v Speaker 2>Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing that came out in trial, which we really

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<v Speaker 1>didn't talk about that much, these damning text messages about

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<v Speaker 1>plotting to cause the children pain JJ and Tony. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to hear this. Dave Bell asks Valo if she

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<v Speaker 1>wants him to quote cause pain to children, and he

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<v Speaker 1>says that they were dark people. Dave Bell, Valo told

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<v Speaker 1>him to hold off, but if they these children they

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<v Speaker 1>were with acted up again, quote, we can zap them. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>she says that day well, Dave Bell responded, if they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to act up, we'll at least give them a

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<v Speaker 1>reason to scream. He also states that he had quote

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<v Speaker 1>turned up the pain on her daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>It just.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't understand anyone's thinking when they talk

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<v Speaker 1>about children in this manner. But I also think that

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<v Speaker 1>her demeanor in court really hurt her. Cheryl McCollum, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think.

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<v Speaker 3>The jury sat and watched her every day have no

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<v Speaker 3>emotion with stoic To me, it sometimes even smugs. That

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely affected the way that they saw her, the way

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<v Speaker 3>they understood this crime. Again, when you have a mama

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<v Speaker 3>that is going to allow any man to harm their

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<v Speaker 3>children to the point they're going to scream, she knows

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to happen, so it's premeditated and she sits

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<v Speaker 3>by and allows it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you what you think, what you predict

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<v Speaker 1>in the prophet Chad da Bell's upcoming trial. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>she would not take this dance. She would not sell

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<v Speaker 1>him or her brother Alex Cox down the river. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that's going to work for him, And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>basing that on the way he has behaved in court.

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<v Speaker 1>The few times they've been in there together before their

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<v Speaker 1>cases were severed, she would smile and be flirtatious toward him,

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<v Speaker 1>chin a mouth of words at Himp, just go and.

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<v Speaker 2>Look away from her.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that's just body language, but I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to try to blame everything on her.

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<v Speaker 3>I think body language is important because a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>times that's something you don't even realize you're given away.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like Ballow after the guilty verdict, she crossed her

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<v Speaker 3>arms while the jury was leaving. She was disgusted, she

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<v Speaker 3>was over that. So I think what you're observing with

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Dave Bell, is important because here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>He is now on an island alone. He doesn't have

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<v Speaker 3>the benefit of her you know, whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 3>call it sexual. I don't know Nancy. Whatever she's doing

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<v Speaker 3>for him, she can't do anymore. So he doesn't have that.

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<v Speaker 3>He's alone the majority of the time, with his own thoughts,

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<v Speaker 3>his own fears, his own feelings. If the right person

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<v Speaker 3>can get to him, whether it's a family member or

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<v Speaker 3>an attorney, I think there's a great possibility that he's

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<v Speaker 3>going to flip.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's another thing that we haven't talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet while they took the DPE death penalty off the

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<v Speaker 1>table for caltmom Laurie Valo in this trial, Arizona has

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<v Speaker 1>the death penalty. That's where she's going in for the

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<v Speaker 1>trial of her fourth husband, Charles Valot. And there, as

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the death penalty was put on a moratorium

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<v Speaker 1>after a botched execution of Joseph Wood back in twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and since that time they have changed their cocktail for

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<v Speaker 1>the DP, the needle lethal injection to one simple ingredient,

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<v Speaker 1>penta barbitol. She can look at the death penalty in Arizona,

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<v Speaker 1>and when you've got now.

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<v Speaker 2>Three dead bodies that have legally been chalked up.

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<v Speaker 1>To you, I think there's a very good chance she

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<v Speaker 1>could get the death penalty in az.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're ever going to use the death penity, it's

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<v Speaker 3>in a case like this. If we're ever going to

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<v Speaker 3>say that a person deserves to be put to death

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<v Speaker 3>by the state, it is here. It's when somebody has

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<v Speaker 3>this just trail of death behind them only for their

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<v Speaker 3>own advancement. I'm not somebody that's spleetly bought in that

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<v Speaker 3>they thought this was the end of time. This has

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<v Speaker 3>a very evil thread of money all throughout it. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>she started reading these books by Chad. She's thinking he's

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<v Speaker 3>got money, he's some big time you know author. She

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<v Speaker 3>wanted the million dollar insurance from Charles. She wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>again gain financially from these people. There's no question about it.

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<v Speaker 3>To get rid of your children again, there's money because

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<v Speaker 3>she goes and she gets their social security. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a there's a thread here. You can't ignore that

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<v Speaker 3>she is doing. She wanted that money, she wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>The un You're right, and I just jumped to the

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<v Speaker 1>next step, the next concludion, the logical conclusion for you're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I really believe that she should be prosecuted in Arizona

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<v Speaker 1>for the murder of Charles Valle, her fourth husband, for

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<v Speaker 1>pecuniary or money gain. I really do, because when you

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<v Speaker 1>add that that is an aggravating circumstance for which you

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<v Speaker 1>can get the death penalty. And listen, dp's up to

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<v Speaker 1>the jury. It's the state's duty to advance it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's the jury's decision. But if the state wants to

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<v Speaker 1>seek the death penalty on her, which they did here

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<v Speaker 1>in Idaho, but they got up against that timeline and

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<v Speaker 1>had to withdraw it. Not so in Arizona. Pecuniary gain

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the most successful child strategies to get

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<v Speaker 1>a DP because it displays Cheryl such a cold heart

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<v Speaker 1>and Charles value murder was.

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<v Speaker 2>Just the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>After that came Tylely and and JJ his son, then

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<v Speaker 1>came Timmy J. Bell, and then came Alex Cox, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's always Joseph Ryan.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that would have been her third husband, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I find it really hard to believe with all

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<v Speaker 1>these dead bodies that he died of natural causes. And

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<v Speaker 1>I got another problem with Alex cox cod cause of

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<v Speaker 1>death because according to official documents, there have been two

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<v Speaker 1>different CODs for one person.

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<v Speaker 3>Ok.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that stinks to high Heaven. So something's way wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with that. So in my mind his death is suspicious

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<v Speaker 1>as well. And wouldn't you just know it, the trigger

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<v Speaker 1>man dies of natural causes.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not buying that at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Not only does he die of natural causes, he's with

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<v Speaker 3>a wife he's been married to for what two weeks

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<v Speaker 3>that Chad puts him up with as a thank you

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<v Speaker 3>for being so supportive of his sister.

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<v Speaker 1>I only hope Cheryl McCollum that the prophet Chad da

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<v Speaker 1>Bell's pickup line can come into court, that pickup line

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<v Speaker 1>being Hey, we were married in a previous life.

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<v Speaker 2>We've already had sex, so what's the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, when you self steal yourself to somebody, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it's pretty easy to convince that same person

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<v Speaker 3>you were married in a previous life. Hey, I wonder

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<v Speaker 3>if we can get a wedding shower the legs we

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<v Speaker 3>had before the.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need any more pots and pans or irons,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm not going to use anyway. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just thinking this through because you know, Cheryl, you

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<v Speaker 1>and I have been through a lot of cases together,

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<v Speaker 1>not just covering them, but trying them, investigating them.

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<v Speaker 2>And we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually laughing at some of the things that cult man,

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<v Speaker 1>Laury Valo and Chad Dave Bell have done. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's kind of a would you say when a

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<v Speaker 1>case is so upsetting, like what was done to JJ

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<v Speaker 1>and Tyley. It is overwhelming, it's dark and upsetting, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't watch out, it will grab you by

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<v Speaker 1>the toe and drag you under aim you will never

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<v Speaker 1>see the light of day again. And I guess laughing

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<v Speaker 1>at some of the like the storm, the name for

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<v Speaker 1>his penis. I've got a lot of other names for

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<v Speaker 1>his penis, but that ain't one of them. And thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about how stupid they were going on Amazon and buying

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<v Speaker 1>your quote beach b each wedding dress to marry the

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<v Speaker 1>prophet Da Bell before his wife died, and then woe

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<v Speaker 1>she dies and you have a wedding on the beach

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<v Speaker 1>like a couple of weeks later.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just crazy, it is, It is crazy. Lori Vallow's

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<v Speaker 3>sister said it best you were dancing on the beach

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<v Speaker 3>while your children were buried in the ground. There's no

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<v Speaker 3>way any mama can make sense of that in her head,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not going to happen. So again, yes, when you

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<v Speaker 3>think of Hollie being burned and they can't even tell

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<v Speaker 3>you how she died, don't have a call to death

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<v Speaker 3>for her. That's how pitiful that baby was treated. And

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<v Speaker 3>just jump thrown on top of her. And then you've

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<v Speaker 3>got jj that you know at one point was alive

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<v Speaker 3>when he was being suffocated because he's trying to save itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Covered in bruises, trying to breathe through that plastic bag

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<v Speaker 1>that they had over his head.

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<v Speaker 3>But of course we have to talk about the storm.

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<v Speaker 3>We have to balance that. So yeah, we're gonna make

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<v Speaker 3>fun and we're gonna laugh, because there has to be that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, balance that we could just self protect ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I know it's hard to understand, but thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about I mean really thinking about it has to make

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<v Speaker 1>juries do this, and I'd be so upset. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>sleep at night, literally could not sleep at night to

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<v Speaker 1>make a jury confront the evidence because it's so upsetting

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<v Speaker 1>and so settling, unsettling to think about what was done

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<v Speaker 1>to these two children.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just so hard to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you notice you said about how JJ fought

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<v Speaker 1>for his life, he was asphyxiated with a plastic bag.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how he died.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are bruise marks on his body where he

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<v Speaker 1>tried to fight to get that bag off of his

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<v Speaker 1>face and his head.

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<v Speaker 2>Same thing with Tammy Dabell.

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<v Speaker 1>She was asphyxiated and she had bruising on her body

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<v Speaker 1>where she tried to live. And by God, they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>answer up for this, true, of course, as they had

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<v Speaker 1>to hell, but in a court of law, So help

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<v Speaker 1>me God, Thank you, Cheryl McCombe.

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<v Speaker 2>Goodbye for