1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: On this week's episode of Cultivating her Space. What's liberating 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: for me is knowing that nothing is inevitable, Like the 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: way things are aren't the way things. 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 2: Have to be. Things don't have to continue on this track. 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Like seeing the fugitive spaces that were created that are 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: divergent has been liberating for me. It gives me hope. 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: I'm not an optimist actually, which is why I needed 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: to hold on to something real. I needed to see 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: something real and existing to be like, Okay, we can 10 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: do that thing. Today's episode is sure to provides you 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: with motivation, inspiration, or a fresh perspective. If you have 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: any AHA moments or appreciate anything from this episode, please 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: leave us a review to let us know we're on 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: the right track. Also, we release episodes every Friday, so 15 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: be sure to subscribe on iTunes and visit cultivating her 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: Space dot com to access our exclusive after show and 17 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: other bonus content from the Patreon tab. 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 3: Welcome to Cultivating her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting 19 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 3: women like you. 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: We're your hosts. 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: Doctor Dominique Broussard, a college professor and psychologist. 22 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker in a 23 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: world where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood. Please 24 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: join us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything from 25 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: five rooids to fake friends, and create a safe space 26 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: where black women can just be. 27 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: Hey, lady, is doctor dom here from the Cultivating her 28 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: Space podcast? Are you currently a resident of the state 29 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 3: of California in contemplating starting your therapy journey? Well, if so, 30 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: please reach out to me at doctor Dominique Brussard dot com. 31 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: That's d R D O M I N I q 32 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: U E b r O u ssard dot com to 33 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 3: schedule a free fifteen minute consultation. I look forward to 34 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 3: hearing from you. 35 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: Thank you, lady. We are so excited. We have a 36 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 1: very special guest today, so we're just going to jump 37 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: right on into her bio and then dive into this 38 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: juicy conversation. A former educator in urban schools, Crystal drew 39 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: on her personal experience African diasporin history and her Guyanese 40 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: and African American roots to found Emancipated, where she develops 41 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: research based educational experiences that center Black communities. In her 42 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: flagship product, she draws on the stories of Maroon communities 43 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: Africans who freed themselves from slavery and created hidden societies 44 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: to offer black and brown families a model for how 45 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: to navigate as liberated being within oppressive systems. She lives 46 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: in the Bay Area or the Yay Area, as she 47 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: affectionately refers to it, and enjoys reading Marvel movies and 48 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: daydreaming of black futures. Doctor Crystal Mensi's welcome to cultivating 49 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: her space. 50 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I love the podcast, 51 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 2: by the way, Thank you. I'm honored to be here. 52 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 3: Well, we are so excited to have you, and we 53 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: are ready to jump into this conversation. And so we're 54 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: going to start with our quote of the day, which 55 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 3: will sound familiar to you because these are your words. 56 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: Despite what most history books teach us, black folks consistently 57 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: resisted enslavement and oppression. So I'm gonna say that one 58 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 3: more time in case you didn't get this, Despite what 59 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: most history books teach us, black folks consistently resisted enslavement 60 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: and oppression. That's for Crystal. When you wrote that statement, 61 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: and then thinking about the work that you do, why 62 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 3: does that particular statement mean so much to you? 63 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 2: I would say, this. 64 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: Whole thing I'm doing with the massivate Ed really emerged 65 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: from a lifetime experience of experiences that pushed me to 66 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: motivated me to disrupt what we know about black history, 67 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: stemming from experiences I had as a teacher and seeing 68 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: what I was forced to teach and getting in. 69 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: Trouble for teaching other things. 70 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: And really also seeking my own liberation, like, okay, I'm 71 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: trying to live as this liberated being. How do I 72 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: do that when I'm surrounded and experiencing all of these 73 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: systems that seek to to oppress me. I'm so excited 74 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: for this conversation and Doctor Christa, I don't want to 75 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: put some respect on your organization's name, emancipate Ed. Okay, 76 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: So I want to ask you what is your origin 77 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: story and what led you to the founding of emancipate Ed. 78 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 2: Okay. 79 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: I can tell a lifetime of stories, but I won't. 80 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: I would say the first it's really a culmination of 81 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: like teaching, travel my doctoral studies which are grounded in 82 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: a critical race theory, and just navigating this world and 83 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: like this can't be it. There must be something else. 84 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: And the first seed was planted when I was a teacher. 85 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: I taught eighth grade US history in California, and I 86 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: am my HBCU grad So I was like, you going 87 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: to learn all the stuff I've learned in college to 88 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: eighth graders. Okay, so we don't learn about enslavement, not 89 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: just as a a thing that happened in the past, 90 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: but how it affected like our society, our culture, our 91 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: economics to this day, and psychology and all the things. 92 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: But I one of my black students told me one day, like, 93 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,559 Speaker 2: why do we learn about black folks all the time. 94 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, huh, whoa these your people? But when I probed. 95 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: More, I was making sure they learned the horrors of enslavement, 96 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: like this isn't just people were bad sometimes, and you know, 97 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: this is a whole structure of dehumanization. 98 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 2: But I wasn't telling the full story of black folks 99 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 2: experience in America. 100 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: So that came out as I asked more questions, like 101 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: what you're talking about? And so I decided to design 102 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: a unit on rebellions of enslaved people in the Americas. 103 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: And my kids ate it up. I mean, they loved it. 104 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: It was one of the most exciting experiences I had 105 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: as a teacher to seeing all the little light bulbs 106 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: go off. And I just happened to be observed that day, 107 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: and I got written up because it wasn't of one, 108 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: because it wasn't a high priority standard. So we were 109 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: supposed to teach what's a high priority standard because that 110 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: means it's more likely to be tested. 111 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: Two. 112 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: She had a problem with a white women principle with 113 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: the content. It made her uncomfortable. 114 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: Karen, come on listen. 115 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, my kids tested well, they 116 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: met all your metrics of all the things that you 117 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: consider successful. Let me do my thing sometimes, okay. And 118 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: it was there where you know, we talk about systems, 119 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: that was an exact example of how a system seeks 120 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: to hide stories from us and punish those who try 121 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: to reveal those stories to us. And especially because it 122 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: emerged out of seeing how my students were reacting to 123 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: the constant learning about the traumas and enslaved and things. 124 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: So from there and lost some students to violence, and 125 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm doing all the things they 126 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: tell me to do in the classroom, but there's larger 127 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: things at play that I wanted to learn. My initial 128 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: goal was to learn more so I can seek to 129 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: do my part in trying to dismantle some of these things. 130 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: So I went to. 131 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: Philly Temple University Urban Education program, which is rooted at 132 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: critical race theory, and so speaking of you don't learn today, 133 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it was very much you're going to put 134 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: these glasses on and you're going to be able to 135 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: identify all the shenanigans and all the systems all the time. 136 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: And I loved what I was studying, but it also 137 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: left me wanting more like, how do we get in 138 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: a great education to dismantle, to identify and dismantle, But 139 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: how do you what comes after that? How do I 140 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: build something different? And I needed it for my spirit 141 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: because I was getting sad and depressed. I graduate school 142 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: is very can be a very isolating experience, even with 143 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: the home needs, and so for my dissertation research, I 144 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: wanted to look and oh, and I was tired of 145 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: them talking about black folks like problems to be fixed 146 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: in black students. So I wanted to problematize They're not 147 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: a problem. I tasy problem ethic, it's problematization of black students. 148 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: And so a framework I really loved was community cultural wealth, 149 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: which essentially looks at our strengths and cultural assets, so 150 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: aspirational capital, famenial capital, social capital, all these different ways 151 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: of being that oppressed peoples have learned to survive and 152 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: also to in our own ways thrive in the systems. 153 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: So and that like fed my spirit and I wanted 154 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: more of that spirit feeling work. So I entered the 155 00:09:53,120 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: ed reform nonprofit sector. Now that was nine Okay. 156 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 3: Aren't we all at some point? 157 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was naive. 158 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: This is not These were not grassroots non profits, Okay, 159 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: this was These were not the folks who were from 160 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: the community start saw a need and built something. These 161 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: were folks who parachuted in with all their money and 162 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: all their saviorism. But it didn't know that. But the 163 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: missions were amazing and the vision of mission of these orgs. 164 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: They were using terms like anti racists before it became 165 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: the term bijoure. 166 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, they know what they talk about. Man. 167 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: I got a root awakening. 168 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: It saw that folks were really interested in talking about it, 169 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: but not necessarily in being about it. And as a 170 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: lifetime educator, you know, my first inclination is to be like, okay, 171 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: maybe it's a knowledge gap. You're using the words but 172 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: don't know where they mean, you don't know where they 173 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: come from. And so I participated in a lot of 174 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: organizational change in this it is to kind of operationalize this, 175 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: and then was met with a lot of resistance meet 176 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: myself and the folks who are leading this work. From leaders, 177 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, you actually don't want to do 178 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: these things. So left one or went to another hoping 179 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: it would be better. 180 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 2: It wasn't. It was the same shit, different day. 181 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: So then that's that sad sadness started to weigh on 182 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: me again. 183 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 2: Where can I go. 184 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: And exist and still eat food and put a roof 185 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: over my head as a person who's trying to do 186 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: better and be better within the midst of these jobs 187 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: and systems that encourage the opposite type of behavior. And 188 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: it was through and I've always loved maroon communities and 189 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: been obsessed with them, but they were something I kept separate, 190 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: you know, It's like, oh, it's just an interest of mine, 191 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with my work. And through that 192 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: kind of angst of what can I do? This can't 193 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: be it? Look, can I have a booksheit health and 194 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: saw Slavery's Exiles, a book about Maroons, and I was like, hmm, 195 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: Maroom communities were literally free spaces in the midst of 196 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: oppressive systems. So then it was like, how does one 197 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: become a Marion? And I created this whole framework of 198 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: like getting free and my friend was like, this is amazing, 199 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: but nobody even knows who Maroons are. So the first 200 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: product I developed is just it's hitting history cards to 201 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: share the stories of this is. 202 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: Who Maroons are. 203 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: We want to talk about Maroon edge, first we need 204 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: to know who we talked about. 205 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: Listen, you definitely need to put some respect on your 206 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 3: name because you are out here doing the work that 207 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 3: so many people talk about what don't actually do, and 208 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 3: there's lots of reasons why, but they don't actually do, 209 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 3: and you are doing it. 210 00:12:59,360 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: Now. 211 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: Before we go in and talk more about Maroon communities, 212 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 3: because I know that a lot of our listeners don't 213 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: know what Maroon communities are, I want to go back 214 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 3: and I want you to share with us your family 215 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 3: history and speaking about and tell us why Maroon communities 216 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 3: are so important to you. 217 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: Great question. 218 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: So my maternal side of the families from Texarkana, Arkansas, 219 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: my maternal grandmother and my grandfather was from Longview, Texas, 220 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: and they migrated to California during the Great Migration. And 221 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: my dad's side of the families from Diana in South 222 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: America and immigrated here around the same time my maternal 223 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: side of the family did. And my grandfather in particular 224 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: was very community and social justice oriented. My grandmother as well, 225 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: but Grandpa was definitely I'm going to make a way, 226 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: so he used to help smuggle immigrants into the country. 227 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: He used to teach naturalization classes so folks would earn 228 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: their citizenship. He was a long, long time educator in 229 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: Lausd And so you're just being around that energy consistently. 230 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: And my grandmother, his wife found a Guyana medical relief 231 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: and my grandmother just passed away actually three weeks ago. 232 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: So I've been thinking a lot about legacy. I feel 233 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: the word is used a lot, especially when it comes 234 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: to finances, but there's legacy is so expansive and be 235 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: seeds my grandparents and parents through them. 236 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: My parents planted in me. 237 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: Too, like what can you do to make your little 238 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: piece of the world better, which also means making yourself better? 239 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: Has been like a lifelong and motivation and I was 240 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: always encouraged and pushed to think differently and my just 241 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: in our regular family conversations. And so actually on the 242 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: West Coast, there's not many Guyanese folks. We don't have 243 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: the same concentration as like a New York does, or 244 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: even of Florida. So all the Caribbean folks, Jamaican's and 245 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: everybody were always at my grandparents' house because my grandpa 246 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: loved to cook. His whole mantra was real men cook 247 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: so big, you know, pots of pepper pots and all 248 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: the curries, great boats for a grab. And you'd hear 249 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: story like little stories of things of Queen Nanny and 250 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: I who's Queen Nanny? And like Jamaicans don't tell you 251 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: who Queen Nannie is, okay, And so that's where the 252 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: interest first started. It's just again those little seeds. There 253 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: was never a formal let's sit down the room about 254 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: my rooms, crystal, But just like sitting at the feet 255 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: of my grandparents and their friends and families picked up 256 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: a lot which made me want to learn more because 257 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: I was fascinated like I had never and still to 258 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: this day, I had never heard of marine communities within 259 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: a formal education environment. What a rich history. That's amazing, 260 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: and I think that it's so telling that you're doing 261 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: the work that you're doing based on the upbringing that 262 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: you had. And I do also want to say sorry 263 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: for your loss that you that you just lost your 264 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: grandmother three weeks ago, So thank you for being here 265 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: with us in this space, you know, after losing her. 266 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: So we want to talk a bit about we've said 267 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: Maroon communities, you know a few times in the episodes 268 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: so far. Can you talk a bit about who marine 269 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: or what are marine communities and why is it necessary 270 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: for them to create the systems that. 271 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: They did create. 272 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: So Maroon communities were free rebel black societies throughout the America. 273 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: So that rebel word is intentional. So folks who ran 274 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: away from slavery, we call it self emancipated, ran away 275 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: from enslavement and started their own free societies hidden away 276 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: from plantation society. So it's not equivalent of like running 277 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: away to Canada and living free. These folks were in 278 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: jungles and mountains and swamps, places that are very difficult 279 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: to access and had a lot of self defense measures. 280 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: Camouflage was a a big deal in Maroon communities. And 281 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: some still exist. So Jamaica has four large communities. Surinam 282 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: has a massive Maroon. I think they're the largest Maroon 283 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: still in exists today, Columbia. So there are definitely some 284 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: communities that were still able to sustain despite the onslaught 285 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: because they were a threat to colonial society. So they 286 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: were constantly being attacked. And the reason they were felt 287 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: it was necessary to create these systems is they knew 288 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: they were supposed to be free, you know. They rejected 289 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: the pseudo Christianity and pseudo science that started to emerge 290 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: to justify enslave it. 291 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 2: They were like, my son, this is not this, ain't it? 292 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: And then they found community with other folks who felt 293 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: the same thing, who felt the same way, and created 294 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: those free spaces for themselves. That is so inspiring and 295 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: so amazing, right, yes, yes, And so as we think 296 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: about these Maroon communities, what. 297 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 3: Are some of the specific cultural traditions that they were 298 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 3: able to revive as they were, Like when we think 299 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 3: about the Maroon communities here in the US, like, what 300 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 3: were they able to kind of revive and how can 301 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 3: we follow their example in reclaiming our own cultural markers 302 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 3: and traditions. 303 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: I think what has stood out to me the most 304 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: in studying their own communities and traveling to Maron communities, 305 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: because I didn't want to create something about Maroons with 306 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: no input from Maroons, like actual factual marus is the 307 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: role of the divine in everything, and how they see themselves, 308 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: how they see each other, how they structure their society, 309 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: like spirituality is very important and it's kind of part 310 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: of that extended kinship network that they have your spirits 311 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: and spirituality is also part of that. And there's a 312 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: lot of ancestor honoring and ancestor worship and like channeling 313 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: ancestors for power and for motivation. They typically have practiced 314 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: their own spiritual beliefs and speaking of the ones who 315 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: still exist today, like in Jamaica's called mayal m ya 316 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: l and a compong specifically a divination like ritual dance 317 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: to channel the ancestors. In Colombia, a lot of the 318 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: Maroons I met at Pelenk also practice like a version 319 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: of Santa Diaz so shanango Oshun and things and other 320 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: deities are channeled a lot in Polenka in their culture. 321 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: And how if you want to be a leader, you'd 322 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: better have a strong connection to the divine and be 323 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: able to look out for your people. And I would 324 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: say those that's what has stood out to me the 325 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: most well to kind of reclaim. I would say, you know, 326 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: don't want to step on the toes of folks. Let's 327 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: learn about our immediate ancestors. 328 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 2: Let's start there. 329 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: Your grandparents are still alive. Asked them about their parents, 330 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: asked them about what their vision for their life was, 331 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: what their hopes for their life was, and just start there, 332 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: because I have found the more I learned. Like my grandmother, 333 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: we knew it was coming, and before she passed, she 334 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: was telling so many stories I had never heard before, 335 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: and those stories, honestly have propelled me to keep going forward. 336 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 2: Was running a business thing. It's not for the faint 337 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 2: of heart. 338 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: Girl. So when my grandmother tells me about how her father, 339 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: this is a powerful. 340 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 2: Story, I think. 341 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: So I'm telling how she this is guyneseside her father, and 342 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: it's the only time. 343 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: You don't see me hype up a white man. Okay 344 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: was a. 345 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: White man, and I didn't know much about him other 346 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: than he was a doctor and like well respected in 347 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: the community. But in my mind, he was a typical 348 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: white man who had a woman of color as on 349 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: his team kind of thing, and my grandma started to 350 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: share more and more stories about him, and he was 351 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: ostracized for marrying my great grandmother from the white community, 352 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: but because he was a malaria specialist, he was still 353 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: called upon and respected in the community. So there was 354 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 1: a malaria outbreak. This is post slavery, but they still 355 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: call them plantations and a lot of it's black and 356 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: indigenous folks dying. And so he told them you need 357 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: to bear to dig deeper wells because you know, the 358 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: mosquitoes are just hanging out here on the surface, but 359 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: go deeper. And the plantation owner said it's cheaper to 360 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: let them die. So my great grandfather goes to the 361 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: newspaper and this is back when you know, newspapers had 362 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: power to change a lot of things, and he was like, 363 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: you need to run this front page story so that 364 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: the British Office gets a hold of it, because at 365 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: this point in their history, they didn't want to look bad. 366 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: You know, we're still want to do shady stuff on 367 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: the back end, but we want to look like we're 368 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: nice people. 369 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 2: On the front end. 370 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: And the newspaper was like, we don't want that smoke. 371 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: So no, so he bought the newspaper and ran the 372 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: story and they built a paper. 373 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 4: Wells, well, that's some power story, okay exactly, she said, 374 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 4: that's the only time. That's the reason right there, right, 375 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 4: So that was when she told me that he could 376 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 4: have very easily been like, I'm already all excide. I 377 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 4: don't want to lessen my position even more by making 378 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 4: these folks mad. And he was very much like that, y'all, 379 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 4: that's not what we don't do here. And so that 380 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 4: when I'm have been very authentic, for better or for worse. 381 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: And there are some negative consequences, like when you operate 382 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: with integrity and all things in certain environments. But there's 383 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: been times I'm like, maybe I should just chill, not 384 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: say anything, not do anything, not get another target on 385 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: my back. 386 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 2: And hearing that story, it's like, keep doing what you're doing. 387 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 3: It's in your blood. 388 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: Is so powerful, this is so inspiring, and we're going 389 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: to jump right if we're going to jump into this more. 390 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: But we're going to shift up the energy real quick. Okay, 391 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: christ I want to shift it up. Looking you probably 392 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: you listen to the show, so you know what's coming. 393 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: You already knows because we recognize, appreciate it, celebrate the 394 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: multifaceted woman, and we believe that it's okay to be 395 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: bougie and classy and ratchet. You can still be elegant 396 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: and dance to strip club music. Right, So we want 397 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: to invite you to the oh you bletchet segments? So 398 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: do you take on the challenge? I take on the challenge? 399 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: I got my pee valley, you know, oh, okay, ready already, 400 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: So you already know. We're gonna ask you three questions. 401 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: We're going to share three sentence completions, and then we're 402 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: trying to find some photos of you on social media. 403 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: But you do a good job of keeping keeping your 404 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: stuff on the lock. Okay, So we've found three photos. 405 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,959 Speaker 1: We're going to have you choose a number out of one. 406 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: In three will reveal a photo. And if you can 407 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: share with us in context behind the photo or something 408 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: that we wouldn't know just by looking at the photo, 409 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: that would be awesome. So we're going to jump right 410 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: on in with the first question, which is what's the 411 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: best piece of wisdom more advice you've ever received. Well, 412 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: the most recent one was I think you should get 413 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: tested for ADHD because that was a mind blowing experience. 414 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 2: What made it mind blowing? 415 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: You know, I had perceptions of ADHDH just hyper kids 416 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: stand a thing. When I started to research more and more, 417 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: I was like, this is me to a t and. 418 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: Went through this. 419 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: There's a blog called black Girl Lost Keys, and so 420 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: I found written by black women. Obviously I found a 421 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: community of other black women with ADHD, and so learning 422 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: how we're underdiagnosed, especially if you're high performing or by 423 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: achieving yep, people don't pay attention to all the other things. 424 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: And so a grief process because I'm like, man, if 425 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: I had just found out a decade earlier, what would 426 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: have what would have that meant? You know what I 427 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 1: mean for my relationships, for my way of showing up 428 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: in the world. So that's the most prescient. But I 429 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: would say second one too is a friend telling me 430 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: launching the business. 431 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 2: I was like, what am I doing? 432 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: And she said, listen, the fear is always going to 433 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,239 Speaker 1: be there. You just got to push through it. And 434 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: so that's what I've been doing, Just keep pushing through it. Yes, yes, 435 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: and yes to all that. Thank you for being so 436 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: transparent as well about ADHD. We made to have you 437 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: on for another episode to dive into that, because that's 438 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: a whole other topic. So we'll circle back around on that. 439 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: But thank you for sharing on the mountaintops now because 440 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm learning so much everyone else. 441 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 2: Learn it's important. 442 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 5: Yes, So now we're going to die, We're going to 443 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 5: get a little ratchet, and I have four words for you, 444 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 5: work or two steps. 445 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: I want to say to work, but the way my 446 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: knees are set up, it would have to be a 447 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: two step. Back in the day, it would have been twerked. 448 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: But now you know, drop it like it's lukewarm, is 449 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: all I could do, no judgment at all. See, I 450 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: was gonna say, I was gonna offer you another option 451 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: to say, oh, you're gonna hop on the pole because 452 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: you talked about pea valley, you know, using a valley element. 453 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 1: So okay, we got dramas like this movie, we could 454 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: do that. Ain't not with that, Ain't not wrong with it. 455 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: So our next question for you, our final question before 456 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: we jump into the sentence completion, is what is the 457 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: sexiest item you own? 458 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: So I'm a little fit. 459 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: Okay, so I find I bought some little pajama set 460 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: but they have short shorts that I. 461 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 2: Feeling myself when I'm look in them. 462 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: It's from Busy's Intimates, another black owned business, and I 463 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: just love how my. 464 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 2: By look in the shorts. 465 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 3: Okay, boody, Okay, come on, boody, come on. Yes, all right, 466 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 3: So our first sentence completion, one question or topic I 467 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 3: wish people asked me about more often is. 468 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 2: How can I help you? I find. 469 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: I'm perceived as very independent and very strong, and thus 470 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: I'll handle anything. I can handle anything that comes out. 471 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: She don't need no help, and I just wish people 472 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: ask me more like, how can I help you? 473 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 3: Says every black woman in the lord. 474 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 2: Yep. 475 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: Well, our next sentence completion is so funny that this 476 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: is the next sentence completion. It is for those that 477 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: would like to help me. These are the ways that 478 00:28:54,080 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: you can help me, right right? We see, well, you know, money, 479 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: okay with the business, I would say yes, definitely purchase 480 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: the cards. I'm just really excited for folks to get 481 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: these stories. So that's one way sharing the website with 482 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: people or organizations you think would be interested in learning 483 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: this type of history. I think we're at a point 484 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: where people want something to grasp onto. I fundamentally believe 485 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: most of us want to be better and live in 486 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: a better society. 487 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 2: But it's kind of like there's so much like a 488 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 2: where do you do? What do you begin? 489 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: And I wanted us to have something to root ourselves in. 490 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: So if you could just share, share these stories with folks, 491 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: share the website, that would be wonderful. And quick question, 492 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: br you, Crystal when it comes to the illustrated Hidden 493 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: History Cards, is there a favorite story? I'm sorry, this 494 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: is totally not this is not a Sensus completion, but 495 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: you mentioned the cards. I got to know, is there 496 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: a favorite story or anything that comes to mind for 497 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: you when you think about the cards? It fluctuates because 498 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: these leaders, I'm just blown away by the bravery. So 499 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: like Queen Nanny was very much we don't burn all 500 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: this shit down, okay, and literally did left awake up 501 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: plantations in her way. But right now I'm really fascinated 502 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: by a Panamanian leader named King Bayano, who fought a 503 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: very long war against the Spanish and signed treaties with 504 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: English and Scottish pirates two so they can join together 505 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: to take down Spanish ships and rate them up their 506 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: gold and silver and from what we know, he was 507 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: tricked into being cap sure, that's typically if any leader 508 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: was captured, it was typically through trickery. But he was 509 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: so well respected by the Spanish because of like his skill, 510 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: his skills in warfare and in strategy, that they sent 511 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,959 Speaker 1: him into exile to live in Peru. And then it 512 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: looks like he was sent to Spain to live off 513 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: of his wealth. 514 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 2: And I'm like, this is. 515 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: Fascinating and not what I would expect. So he's someone 516 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: that I could see a movie of King Diana. You know, yeah, 517 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: that would be dope. 518 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 3: Yes, I feel like that's something that we need to see, Like, yeah, yeah, definitely. Okay, 519 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 3: so our last sentence completion. What I love most about 520 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 3: myself is. 521 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: I would say my integrity. I feel like a narrative 522 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: is if you reach a certain position, you're going to change. 523 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: So like when I was a more junior employee, it's like, well, 524 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: you don't understand because you're not leading a team. Once 525 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: you lead a team, you don't act like this. And 526 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: then I love a team and I didn't act like that, 527 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: and I was proud of myself. And the same with 528 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: starting a business, Like when you start a business, you're 529 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: not going to. 530 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 2: Want to pay people a living wage and blah blah blah. 531 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, nope, I still have the same value. So 532 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: I've been because I approached it not with like there 533 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: are a hundred percent wrong. I was like, I hope 534 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: they're wrong. I don't know, you don't know, but you 535 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: don't know. And so I've just been proud of myself 536 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: and I love myself. 537 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 2: My integrity. Who else to you? 538 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: Go ahead, col go ahead, all right, So we have 539 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: some pictures pulled up. I love you. There three pictures 540 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: to be exact, so we love for you to choose 541 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: a member out of one in three and then we'll 542 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: go ahead and we'll blow that photo. And we will 543 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: have folks that are only tuning into the audio. So 544 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: if you can describe the photo and then give us 545 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: the context behind the photo or something we don't know, 546 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: so feel free to choose number and then you go 547 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: ahead and share the photo with you. Okay, that's too, 548 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: number two. Number two. Oh I don't feel like this one. Okay, 549 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and share with you and here go 550 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: oh oh this is this is perfect. So for those 551 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: who are on the audio, the picture is of me 552 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: and my best friend Megan Singleton, and our guide named 553 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: mister Lawrence, when we visited a Kompong. A Kompong is 554 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: one of the Maroon communities in Jamaica. So we're inside 555 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: of a cave and another one of our guides is 556 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: taking a picture of us from the book and this. 557 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: Is called the Peace Cave. 558 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: So a Compong's leader Pujo used to almost like meditate 559 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: in the cave and listen for the British to come. 560 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: They would put a rock, a big old rock in 561 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: the road so they can hear when boots were rocking 562 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 1: the rock. And then after all the British passed, they sound, 563 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: they're all bang, and then they attacked them, you know, 564 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: came out from camouflage, met them in the big grassy area. 565 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,439 Speaker 1: So the Peace Cave has a lot of spiritual significance, 566 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: but it also has like strategic military significance. And the 567 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: hype was intense. They were like oh, because I was like, 568 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm out of shape. Mister Lawrence, he was like, oh, 569 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: it's easy, it's easy. I'm like, okay. It was a 570 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: seven hour hike, yes, no, both roncheres. The path is 571 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: not like a paved you know, we're in California, we 572 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 1: go on these hiking paths and it's not. 573 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 2: A hiking pad. Okay, you can only walk single file. 574 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: They had machetes and so when we first met them, 575 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: because it was all like WhatsApp communication and I was like, shoot, 576 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 1: we're going into the woods, into the jungle with three 577 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: men with machetties. Sorry, friend, But they were very protective 578 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: of us. Their culture is very much not The reason 579 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: we felt safety doing that is because they're very much like, nah. 580 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 2: We got you, siss. 581 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: They used the machetes to cut staffs because I kept falling, 582 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 1: so I had like a walking staff. 583 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 2: So that's that picture. It was a great experience. 584 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: That is so fascinating. I feel like I have so 585 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: many more questions now. You talked about what was you 586 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: talked about some of the things you noticed about their community. 587 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 1: What else was like really shocking for you when you 588 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: were there, because I can only imagine what it's like. 589 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: We're living in the world, this highly technologically advanced world 590 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: that we live in, and then going there. What else 591 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: did out to you when you were visiting them? I 592 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: would say, for a Kombong and Polenka, which is in Colombia, 593 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: just how the slight differences in gender dynamics and gender norms, 594 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: difference is for the better. No place is a utopia. 595 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: But like the men in the kombong, they were the 596 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: ones that fussed over us and cooked us dinner. So 597 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: like when we came back from our hike, they had 598 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: prepared at this wonderful feast, the women were just chilling 599 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: until it was time to dance. Like women's roles were 600 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: definitely more of a spiritual connector type of peace. So 601 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: when they the ritual dance started, then the women got 602 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: up and were because usually if you go to somebody's house, 603 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: who's going to be the one person over to make 604 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: sure you eat? This was the nice and catering to us. 605 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: I was like, this is nice that part, and make 606 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: it cook for real. 607 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 2: Cook too. I was like, what's the name of this fish? 608 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: I don't even know if I heard her correctly, It 609 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: sounded like Maria. So there was the best fish I've 610 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: ever had in my life. And that says a lot 611 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: because New Orleans is like my second home. 612 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 2: Well that's. 613 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: Right, So that was and polenki also just like the 614 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: role of grandmother's there's a saying plan Getta is a 615 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: mixture of African languages and like Spanish and Portuguese and things, 616 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: so they all speak Spanish, but then they also have 617 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: their own language of and so there's a saying that's 618 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: like my grandmother's hair is my bank account. So they 619 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: really do hide and still to this day put money 620 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: into the matriarch's hair. 621 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 2: So when you're not go on a porch and like 622 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 2: I want. 623 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: A dollar for a drink, reaching through her corn rolls, 624 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,919 Speaker 1: here you go, baby, kind of orientation. So just don't 625 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: I don't even have the words to articulate it. But 626 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: I felt seen as a woman, as a person, so 627 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: not as a woman who's supposed. 628 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 2: To fill a role. 629 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: To hype you up as a man, like you're your whole, full, spiritual, 630 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: fully realized self and we work together to maintain the 631 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 1: safety and the cultural values of our community. 632 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 3: That sounds incredible, Yes it does, oh. 633 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 2: God, so yeah yes. 634 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 3: And so doctor Christal, when you think of when you 635 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 3: reflect on your travels in your studies, and you just 636 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 3: talked about this, these incredible experiences in Jamaica and Colombia, 637 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 3: what has been outside of those experiences? Is there anything 638 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 3: else that has been surprising and or liberating that you've 639 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 3: learned about our people. 640 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: What's liberating for me is knowing that nothing is inevitable, 641 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: Like the way things are aren't the way things have 642 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: to be. 643 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 2: Things don't have to continue on this track. 644 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: Like seeing the fugitive spaces that were created that are 645 00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: divergent has been liberating for me. It gives me home. 646 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,720 Speaker 1: I'm not an optimist, actually, which is why I needed 647 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 1: to hold on to something real. I needed to see 648 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: something real and existing to be like, Okay, we can 649 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: do that thing. Yeah, we have to break down this 650 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 1: whole system in order to live like them, right, Because 651 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: I think capitalism and maybe white supremacy and all that 652 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: has a hold on this world. But that sounds so 653 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: incredible to experience, Like I would love to go and 654 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: be a part of that. You know, that's just Oh 655 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: now I'm going to have to do some research and 656 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: learn more about this, doctor Crystal, But I'd love to 657 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,240 Speaker 1: know what are some of the ways you help black 658 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: and brown communities tap into their cultural wealth. I see 659 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: that just is making shit clean. So I use all 660 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: the word liberation and all the things, but really I 661 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: just want to like, what does it look like? And 662 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: so helping folks tap into their community cultural wealth is 663 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: helping them see themselves through different eyes. So, like for 664 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: my dissertation, one of my student I don't call them participants, 665 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: it sounds very distant. So one of my students I 666 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 1: was observing and collaborating with for my dissertation, she had 667 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: an amazing ability to like a chameleon. And she was 668 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: from North Philly, low income community at a magnet school. 669 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: She was one way in her neighborhood, a way that 670 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: didn't jeopardize her future, but also was cool with all 671 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: the people who could enact violence on her if they 672 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: wanted to. So she had like a skill in navigating 673 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: that environment. Then she's in the school environment and knew 674 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: how to navigate the adults in the space. She didn't 675 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: use this terminology, but she knew they were gatekeepers. So 676 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: it's like, I'm going to navigate with these folks another way. 677 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to navigate with my peers in the school 678 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: community another way. 679 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 2: And so. 680 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: But when she would talk about herself, it's like, well, 681 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: I've never left Philly, I don't know anything. 682 00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. 683 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: Girl. We just navigated a whole multiplicity of cultures in 684 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: your community. And that's a skill to be able to 685 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: read someone that quickly and know like, okay. 686 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 2: This is what we don't have to do here. And 687 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 2: to know how to distance yourself that is. 688 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: An amazing skill to have. So like making those things 689 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,359 Speaker 1: plain to folks. When you did ABCB, that's navigation, that's 690 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: navigational capital booth. When you talk about like all my 691 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,839 Speaker 1: family's poor, we didn't you know, we didn't have anything, 692 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,760 Speaker 1: but they really wanted me to go to college and school, 693 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: Like you're what you're telling me is your family was 694 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,359 Speaker 1: able to dream bigger dreams than what they could even 695 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: see was possible. 696 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 2: So like helping people see. 697 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: That in themselves and in their families and communities. 698 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 3: That's amazing and that's that's beautiful and we need we 699 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 3: need more of that. And so speaking of creating more 700 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 3: of that, how can we create developmentally appropriate activities to 701 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 3: help black and brown kids feel proud of their lineage, 702 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 3: like without perpetuating the trauma narratives, Because I go back 703 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 3: to what the story you were sharing earlier, right with 704 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 3: your student, your young black student, who's like, why are 705 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 3: we learning about? Why are we learning about slavery? And 706 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 3: really thinking about what are the things that we can do, 707 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 3: particularly those who don't have a background in education. So 708 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,840 Speaker 3: moms and dads and family members who are listening but 709 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 3: they don't have a background in education, how can they 710 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 3: create developmentally appropriate activities to help their kids feel proud 711 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 3: of their lineage. 712 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: I mean, the big overarching theme is like telling the 713 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: whole story and what does that look like? One when 714 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: I'm playing or designing, I'm thinking about what is the 715 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,840 Speaker 1: emotional experience I want people to have as they navigate 716 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,440 Speaker 1: this activity. And the second one is like what do 717 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: I want them to leave with? What's their takeaway? You know, 718 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: if I were to talk to them a week later, 719 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: what's the eight year old going to tell me? Was 720 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 1: like the most exciting thing they learned, or they're what 721 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: they're holding onto after that space, because from there it 722 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: helps me design experiences that are more balanced. 723 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 2: So I have been a big nerd all my life. Okay. 724 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 1: So George Washington Carver, we all know peanuts. What we 725 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: don't learn about him on purpose, okay, is all of 726 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 1: his scientific advancements were because he wanted black farmers to 727 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,280 Speaker 1: find a sustainable crop so that they could emancipate themselves 728 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: from the sharecropping system. So if I'm teaching this to 729 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 1: developmentally appropriate. 730 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,959 Speaker 2: I would We're definitely going to talk. 731 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,479 Speaker 1: About sharecropping and what that meant and why it was bad, 732 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 1: why we want to escape from it. But what I 733 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,839 Speaker 1: want them to hold on to is the collective orientation 734 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: that this scientist had. But I'm going to use my 735 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: skills to support my community and we're gonna work together. 736 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 1: So when I'm designing yet we talk about sharecropping, tell 737 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: me about George Washington Carver and like, why do you 738 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 1: think that was important that he worked with farmers, like 739 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 1: leaving kids with those questions and include a lot of pictures. 740 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: Kids love kid pictures, images that they can see if 741 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,359 Speaker 1: you can find any video or medium, and having them 742 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:45,399 Speaker 1: draw their own representation of things. This was amazing. Thank 743 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 1: you so much, doctor Crystal. We appreciate you. I'm still 744 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 1: processing all that you shared. You're going to have me 745 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: go do more research. We have to get we have 746 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 1: to pre order these hidden History cards. So you all 747 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 1: go out and support doctor Christoph. Doctor Crystal, can you 748 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 1: let our listeners know where they can find you, how 749 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 1: they can support you, Remind them of what they can 750 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: do to support so that you can have that support 751 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: because you're doing great work, and we need more people 752 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: like you in the world, educating our children, educating the adults, 753 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,319 Speaker 1: and just creating the amazing resources that you're creating. So 754 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: please let us know where to support. 755 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 3: So. 756 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 1: The website is emancipated education dot com. We get emancipated 757 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 1: education dot com. My Instagram page is Emancipate underscore ed Transparently. 758 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,320 Speaker 1: I don't update it as much as I should it's. 759 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 2: Especially with everything with the family, but one day I shall. 760 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 1: But the website is where folks can access the cards 761 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 1: and learn more about the services. 762 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 2: I offer too. 763 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 3: Thank you again so much, doctor Crystal, and we hope 764 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,840 Speaker 3: that our listeners are taking away all of the gems 765 00:45:54,840 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 3: and the knowledge that you shared with us. And yeah, 766 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,759 Speaker 3: I just can't keep thanking you enough for sharing all 767 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 3: this with us. It's so important for us to know 768 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:07,360 Speaker 3: this information. 769 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me again. I'm so honored. 770 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: I can share about like these stories all day long. 771 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You're creating a space to be 772 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: off them when I saw I could, cuz I love it. Yes, yes, 773 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 1: if you want to get off any customers and closing, 774 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 1: you just want to take me f you just had. 775 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 2: Your space is space to do it. We appreciate you. 776 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,319 Speaker 1: Lady. Hey lady, it's Terry here from the Cultivating her 777 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: Space podcast. I'm hosting a free podcasting masterclass where I'm 778 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 1: going to teach you how to create your impactful podcast 779 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: and how you can generate multiple streams of income. You 780 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,760 Speaker 1: can visit podcast with Terry dot com to register for free. 781 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:57,839 Speaker 1: I hope to see you there. 782 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us today. Please note that our show 783 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 3: may contain conversations about self help, advice, self empowerment, and 784 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,279 Speaker 3: mental health, but is by no means meant to be 785 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 3: a substitute for an ongoing formal relationship with a trained 786 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 3: mental health provider. 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