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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that brings you the secret histories and little known fascinating

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Speaker 1: facts about your favorite TV shows, movies, music, and more.

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Speaker 1: We are your executive directors of Digression. I'm Alex Heigel

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Speaker 1: and I'm Jordan run Tag and today, Jordan, we are

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Speaker 1: talking about someone near and dear to my own heart.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about Mother Trucking, Kate Bush, Hell Zoomers, and

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Speaker 1: I guess whoever else Stranger Things is for. At this point,

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Speaker 1: have discovered Running Up that Hill, parentheses a deal with

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Speaker 1: God and sent it rocketing, uh not back up the charts.

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Speaker 1: I guess it didn't really chart in the first place,

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Speaker 1: which is what we'll talk about, at least on this

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Speaker 1: side of the pond. The first top ten US hit

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Speaker 1: that Kate Bush has had. And we are nothing if

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Speaker 1: not slaves to the algorithm, so we whipped this episode

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Speaker 1: up in a desperate bid for relevance. Jordan, what is

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Speaker 1: your familiarity with miss Bush? I mean, I prefer to

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Speaker 1: think of it as marking her long overdue achievement and

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Speaker 1: the only way we knew how. But hey, we love

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Speaker 1: to surf the waves of trends. But yes, until now,

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Speaker 1: Kate Bush was part of the club of legendary artists

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Speaker 1: who somehow never had a hit in the US. So

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Speaker 1: I guess it's time we demand justice from York Bob Marley,

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Speaker 1: Tom Wait's Grandmaster Flash, Leonard Cohen, Pixies, Sonic Youth, Judas Priest.

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Speaker 1: Maybe next season the Stranger Things Gods will smile on them.

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Speaker 1: But to answer your question, pressing just like the notion

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Speaker 1: because the streamer drops the sync on you. But to

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Speaker 1: answer your question, my first memory of Kate Bush was

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Speaker 1: the cloud Busting video because my dad always had new

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Speaker 1: music going on in the house when I was a

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Speaker 1: little boy, and one day he had on MTV and

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Speaker 1: I saw that crazy video with Jnald Sutherland and the

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Speaker 1: big cloud ray invention, and I feel like the early

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Speaker 1: nineties there was a surplus of movies with mad cap

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Speaker 1: the kids back to the future, Bell's Dad and Beauty

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Speaker 1: and the Beast, the movie Explorers, where a young Ethan

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Speaker 1: out of a tiltal world cart from an amusement park.

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Speaker 1: That was one of my favorite movies, so I love

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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So I was super intrigued

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Speaker 1: I didn't think it was a music video. It was

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Speaker 1: I certainly not like anything I heard on MTV, not

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Speaker 1: like anything I've ever heard period. Really, as a five

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Speaker 1: mini movie. So for years I didn't listen to many

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Speaker 1: to me, that was such an integral part of experiencing it.

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Speaker 1: For me, it almost felt like listening to her albums

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Speaker 1: her albums. I'm ashamed to say. Um, it probably wasn't

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Speaker 1: album So I'm a really I'm you know, a latecomer

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Speaker 1: It's wild, man. I just did not. I don't even

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Speaker 1: um big Boy talking about this song. Have you seen that? No? No,

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Speaker 1: of the few hip hop bands I'm conversant in, but

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Speaker 1: thing that he growing up in Atlanta, glommed onto Kate

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Speaker 1: in the music industry, to her recent rediscover here is

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Speaker 1: everything you didn't know about Kate Bush and Running Up

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Speaker 1: still teaches the art of zen Japanese archery kudo across Europe.

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Speaker 1: thing I did not know reading about this um. She

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Speaker 1: the environment that begets the Kate Bush we know and love. Her.

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Speaker 1: edit that out. But she wrote her first song at

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Speaker 1: She's sugested that these early vocal lessons were more for

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Speaker 1: a song called Death before dishonor much has been made

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Speaker 1: It just looks clunky, and it was. It was clunky

427
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: and ridiculous. She was introduced to it working with Peter Gabriel.

428
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, and you have certainly heard oh yeah,

429
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 1: so I should just even explain how it works. What

430
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: it does is it samples sounds and then assigns lets.

431
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: You assign pitches or frequencies to those sounds via the

432
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: use of a keyboard. So the thing that you have

433
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: definitely heard is this Orchestra hit that was loaded on it,

434
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 1: which is a sample of Stravinsky's Firebird and you you know,

435
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: you'll recognize it the second I play it. Yep, there

436
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: it is. It's the sound of Only of Our Lonely

437
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 1: Heart on Prince I think it's on Prince Records anyway.

438
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: There were like three of them around at this time.

439
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: Peter Gabriel had one. I think Stevie Wonder had the other.

440
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: Um So this was all super groundbreaking stuff and it

441
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: was difficult to use. Everyone at abbey Road at the

442
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: time was kind of helping her on it. They spent

443
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: a lot of time breaking glass in Studio two at

444
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: Abbey Road to get the sound effect that pops up

445
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: in Babushka and I love that because Studio to at

446
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: Abbey Road is where the Beatles recorded of their songs,

447
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: so on the same floor where you know, Please Please

448
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: Me and She Loves You as recorded Kate Bush's Shattering Glass.

449
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: And having said all that, we'll be right back with

450
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: more too much information right after this, so in September,

451
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 1: Never Forever comes out. It is Bush's first number one

452
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: album and also the first album by British female solo

453
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: artist to top the UK Album Chart, as well as

454
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: being the first album by any female solo artist to

455
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,479
Speaker 1: enter the chart at number one. Now it's follow up,

456
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: which is called The Dreaming, is where she, by her

457
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: own admission, kind of starts to lose the thread. She

458
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: spends aload of time building these really elaborate, deep soundscapes

459
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 1: with the fairlight. The mixing process for it is just torturous.

460
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: She described it herself as her quote, she's gone mad

461
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: album in and she does kind of the bare minimum

462
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: of promotional appearances for it. After it comes out in

463
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: September eighty two, takes some well deserved vacation and crucially

464
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: g t FOS London. She really just wanted to unplug.

465
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: After The Dreaming comes out, she hung out with Del Palmer,

466
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: who was her bassist, co producer boyfriend for many years,

467
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: and he was very I hate that I wrote this.

468
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: He's very instrumental, hardy heart horror so all of her music.

469
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: At the time she moves out of London, she starts

470
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: training and dance again really rigorously, which is something she

471
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: kind of let fall by the wayside when she was

472
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: doing The Dreaming. Um she overhauled her diet. She was

473
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 1: a big tea person mentioned earlier she loved weed, uh

474
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: smoked cigarettes and this is so shitty. I'm sorry. I mean, obviously,

475
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: the quiet part loud here is that Kate Bush is

476
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: a very pretty lady. She's like they were really really

477
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: gross parts of people obsessing over her appearance early on

478
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: though she was nineteen. There's a very famous early promotional

479
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: photograph that E M I put everywhere in which she's

480
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: i think wearing like a dance leotard and nipples are

481
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: visible through it and this supposedly caused traffic accidents in London.

482
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: But just the terrible corlaer if this is how much

483
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: I mean, the British music press is famously nasty, but

484
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: they just pressed period. Yes true, but they just um,

485
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, they would do like just speculate on her

486
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: weight gain every time time she popped around and and

487
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: you know she had gained some weight while she was

488
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: doing the dreaming because she wasn't dancing and she was

489
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: locked into mixing and recording, and they just they were like, oh,

490
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: Kate Bush has porked up. I mean, it's just so

491
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: messed up. I'm so angry on her behalf. Um sorry

492
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: rant over, but I mean she at least seemed happier.

493
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: Moving out of London was one of the two things

494
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: that really prompted the creation of Hounds of Love, and

495
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: the other was money that filthy Lucre's stop calling it

496
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: in every episode. The cost of the around the clock

497
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: sessions for Dreaming and Happy Road was something like a

498
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: thousand pounds a day, and that obviously added up very quickly,

499
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: so she invested in fitting a professional forty eight tracks

500
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: studio in the barn of her family home where she

501
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: used to play the harmonium until it was destroyed by mice.

502
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm just presumably they got the mice out of there

503
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: at some point. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, Yeah, And sessions

504
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: for House of Love sound very idyllic. Her family still

505
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: lived at this house, so they would pop in while

506
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: she was working on the record, and her brother j

507
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: was there and he added some of the different folk

508
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: instruments that are on the record, and it's just very,

509
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: as you say, pastoral, relaxed. But she still is innovating

510
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: with her use of electronic instruments. In addition to the

511
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: fair Light, she started working with the then novel Lynn

512
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: drum machine, which is a staple of not even early

513
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: hip hop, just hip hop. To this day, I feel

514
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: like Kanye still uses an drum machine and so many

515
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: of the drum parts for the record initially programmed on

516
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: this And you have a lot to say about the

517
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: drum stuff on this record. Oh, I mean, the sound

518
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: of this record is just without getting to like Rick Patto,

519
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: it is a really wacky sounding record. I mean on

520
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: the title track, it's cellos, drum kits, fair light, there's

521
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: no guitar, it just it and and it still sounds

522
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: so natural. It doesn't sound super out there and weird.

523
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: Those songs sound very natural and flowing. But um, Yeah.

524
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: On Jig of Life, which is one of the ones

525
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: that has a very pronounced Irish influence, they bounced twenty

526
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: four tracks of percussion with these Irish frame drums and

527
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: hand drums played by a guy named Charlie Morgan. So

528
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: think about that forty eight track recording outfit. Half the

529
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: tracks on that are drums. But think about it. I

530
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: think of running up that hill, think of just the rumbles.

531
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: Just a guy I knew peripherally in Brooklyn is behind

532
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: um two Minutes to Late Night, the like heavy metal

533
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: comedy show shouts to Jordan's or as he has known

534
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: on that show, Guar Senio hall uh. And they've mounted

535
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of covers throughout the pandemic that these

536
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: big remote recording affairs, and they did running up that

537
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: hill at one point, and it makes perfect sense as

538
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: a metal song, you know, just heaviest hell oh God.

539
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the whole line of making a

540
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: deal with God like that's that is a very heavy

541
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: metal lyrics. Yeah. Wow. So Kate Bush and Del Paul

542
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: More started tracking songs for what would become Hounds of

543
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: Love in three and they never really treated these sessions

544
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: as demos or scratch tracks. They just kept adding and

545
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: layering onto what they were doing until they arrived at

546
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: the final versions, which is unique. Um. And I feel

547
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: like it's important to mention that Kate was really producing

548
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: her own albums at this point, making her of self

549
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: contained female creator that really had no precedent maybe Joni Mitchell,

550
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: who was you know, singing, writing, producing and as you mentioned,

551
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: owning your own masters. But Kate also said she felt

552
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: a great deal of pressure working on Hounds of Love

553
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: because the Dreaming, her previous album was a relative failure.

554
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: I mean it reached number three on the charts, I think,

555
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: but still did not get the reception that she was

556
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: hoping for. So that, coupled with the unkind press coverage,

557
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: gave her a sense of having something to prove, and

558
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: that's oftentimes when you get the best albums. Yeah, and um,

559
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, now we arrive at running up that Hill

560
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: and uh. It is the first song for the record,

561
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: written over the course of one summer night in Palmer program.

562
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: The drums on the track which were later overdubbed by

563
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: a live drummer, and that synth line is, of course

564
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: the fair Light, which I think she said was the

565
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: first thing that the song came around, was that the

566
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: synth hook um. And originally it was just called a

567
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: Deal with God, but E M I insisted on making

568
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: that parenthetical so it's not to alienate Catholic listeners around

569
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: the world. And she's you know, she remembered her fight

570
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: over Wuthering Heights and she was like, fine, just to

571
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: learn to pick her battles. I mean, that's so crazy

572
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: for me because how many years was it after God

573
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: only knows about the Beach Boys. That was six, so

574
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: that was like almost twenty years earlier, and they're still

575
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: having that argument, but there were genuine fears that predominantly

576
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: Catholic countries like France, Italy and Ireland, and I guess

577
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: Australia for some reason wouldn't play it, which is interesting

578
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: because I mean, if you think about it, it's kind

579
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: of about forging a personal relationship with God in a way. Um.

580
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it seems blasphemous how God in

581
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: the title of a pop song, but I feel like

582
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: the message of the song is positive if it's listened to.

583
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: But Katis said she's regretted the decision of changing the

584
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: title ever since, later reflecting, I just spent two or

585
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: three years making an album and we we're going to

586
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: get this record played on the radio if I was stubborn,

587
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: so I felt I had to be grown up about this.

588
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: But it's always something that I regretted doing, and normally

589
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: regret any compromises that I make. But according to her,

590
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: she still privately considers the song to be called Deal

591
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: with God. That's what she thinks of it, you know,

592
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: as in her own mind. But she initially considered a

593
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: song about making a deal with the devil, but considered

594
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: a deal with God to be more powerful in a

595
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: lyrical sense. How do you feel about that? You know

596
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: this this is kind of like when the new wave

597
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: of British heavy metal starts coming out in this so

598
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: maybe it sounds a little too that. When does uh,

599
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: when does Running with the Devil come up? By Van Halen? Obviously? Yeah,

600
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: so you know the Devil belongs to David Lee Roth

601
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: and vice versa. Hi. Um, yeah, I mean the song

602
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: is actually, weirdly enough, one of the few on the

603
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: record with that sick guitar part that David Gilmour does

604
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: a live version from maybe seven. Um. Yeah, man, I

605
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: mean it's weird because Palmer is a bassist and he's

606
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: co producing this record anyway. Um, The instrumentation of the

607
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: title track, as I mentioned before, is just two drum kits,

608
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: cello vocals and a bit of dialogue from the nineteen

609
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: fifty seven British horror film Night of the Demon. It's

610
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: in the trees, It's coming. Uh. You know, I didn't

611
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: talk about this, and I feel only slightly weird about it,

612
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: but Kate Bush is super horny, super horny. Um. Well,

613
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, there's all kinds of weird. A lot of

614
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: what I've done here is Cribbed from Under the Ivy,

615
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: which is a great biography of her that came out,

616
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: and you know, they talk about some of the early

617
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: songs that she was writing, had like references to like,

618
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: I feel this rising deep inside. I mean, yeah. She

619
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: has a song called sat in your lap Um when

620
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: they were doing the kick Inside. She's got this line

621
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: about sticky love inside in the song called Lamore looks

622
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: something like you. There's a home demo she has called

623
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: a Craft of Life from seventy six that has um

624
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: the line silver's in our dark hair and the bedsheets

625
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: soaked by your tiny fish. She has a thing about

626
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: fishes to Speaking about the cover art of Never Forever,

627
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: Kate told Sounds magazine that the illustration of all those

628
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: things coming out from under her skirt, it's to hint

629
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: that so much of it comes from a sexual need

630
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: from inside me. And uh yeah. The Hounds of Love

631
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: is about kind of the notion of feeling pursued by

632
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: love as like an external force. And you know, running

633
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: up that Hill could obliquely sort of be considered about

634
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: a woman wanting a man to know what it feels

635
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 1: like to have sex, right sort of, she thinks about

636
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: you want to know, know that it doesn't hurt me?

637
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: Do you want to know? I don't know. I am

638
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: not the first person to point this out, So yes,

639
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: I think for all her ethereality and the notion of

640
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: this metaphysical deal kate like sex. Not that there's anything

641
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: wrong with that, but yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

642
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: It's interesting. My logline is, I think she's one of

643
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: the few people to make being horny interesting. You can

644
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: make being horny compelling, like Genuine or D'Angelo, but she

645
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: is one of the few people I think put a

646
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: spin on horny nous. Uh, maybe Prince. I don't know.

647
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: This is weird. It's a weird digression. My parents are

648
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: gonna listen to this. Um, we're gonna use that for

649
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: the clips reel. Well, few people who can make horny

650
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: nous interesting, you can make it compelling. Yeah, I don't know.

651
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: I I think it's it's it is really wild. I mean,

652
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: I just love her whole conception man, of how she

653
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: thinks about this stuff. I almost put hounds of love

654
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: in my vows because there's this. Yeah, she has this

655
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: whole imagery and I've loved so much in this song

656
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: about um I'll take my shoes off and throw them

657
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: into the lake, and I'll be two steps on the water,

658
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: which I was interpreted as being like, well, if you

659
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: really give yourself over to like falling in love with

660
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: a person, nominally, on your second step in the water,

661
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: you would sink, right or your first step you would sink,

662
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: but taking two steps would let you kind of walk

663
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: on water. I'm getting choked up thinking about this. I

664
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: just love her so much. Um anyway, Uh so, Del

665
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: Palmer is actually not on a lot of these songs.

666
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: He's been programming the Lyn drum. But yeah, they farmed

667
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: this out to Danny d T. Thompson, probably the most

668
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: famous folk adjacent British upright bassis just a tremendous bassist.

669
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: He's founding member Pentangle, Yeah, and just on everything. Man.

670
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: My favorite Danny Thompson story is Riley Walker, who's like

671
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: a really ripping guitarist right now and sort of an

672
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: indie level. He played with Danny Thompson and he was

673
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: sort of talking about his wild days and they did

674
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: this Tim Buckley record live, and the night that they

675
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: were supposed to rehearse it, uh, they all just got

676
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: ripped on hash and so for the recording session they

677
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: just winged it anyway. Danny Thompson's a beast and then

678
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: the other guy plays on this is ever Hard Weber

679
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: Eber Haard Weber Weber. I don't know. German jazz. Basis

680
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: famous for a long long standing association with um Keith

681
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 1: Jarrett and yeah, man, just ripping ripping guys on this record.

682
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm sad you stopped talking about your vows and started

683
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: talking about Bassis. But well, those are the two most

684
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 1: important things in my life. Kate pushes a third. Didn't

685
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: She spend like a year working on just overdubs and

686
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: mixing for this, Like her perfectionism is insane. Yeah. The

687
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: quote that I remember from the one from the biography

688
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: was it's a misconception that Kate doesn't write songs fast.

689
00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: I forget who says it, but they were like Kate

690
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: songs very fast. She spends an eternity finishing them. But

691
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: I just thought that was interesting that this album is

692
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 1: the two very distinct sides. There's like Side one being

693
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: the pop side and side to being the kind of

694
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: prog rock song cycle about a woman drifting alone at

695
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: sea at night. But uh yeah, running up that Hills

696
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: the opening track, placing it in the running for best

697
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: side one track one of all time. For my money, Uh,

698
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: certainly up there. But what does it mean? We touched

699
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: on this a moment ago. There's many interpretations, but I

700
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: guess we should go to the primary source and look

701
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: at what Kate Bush herself said about this song. If

702
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: I made borrow phrase, it basically means men are from Mars,

703
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: women are from Venus. Interview with an outlet called island Ear,

704
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: Kate described the song as being about a man and

705
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: a woman who love each other enormously, so much that

706
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: the power of their love is the source of their problems. Briefly,

707
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: if they could make a pact with God to exchange

708
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: their roles, the man becoming the woman and a woman

709
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: becoming the man, they would understand each other better and

710
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: resolve their differences. And over the years there have been

711
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: many who have interpreted the song as Bush wanting to

712
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: switch roles with God, which is an interpretation that apparently

713
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: displeases her greatly. She wanted to clear that up. In

714
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: an interview with a French journalist in nine eight five,

715
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: she said, tell them that I would never dare imagine

716
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: such an exchange. Um. But it's impossible not to wonder

717
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: about her own relationship with Del Palmer during this period

718
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: and whether or not there were any autobiographical elements in

719
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: the song, which I imagine on some level there must be. Yeah,

720
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: she was super private about this relationship for six or

721
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: seven years. I mean, it wasn't until the launch party

722
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: for this record at the London Planetarium in September that

723
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,959
Speaker 1: they officially appeared in public as a couple. When people

724
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: would press her, she wouldn't talk about it, or she

725
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: would say something like, oh, I'm with a guy from

726
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: Kent named Del. You know, she was very private about this. Um.

727
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: My favorite thing about the planetary him is that they

728
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: listened to this record while watching a laser show. So awesome. God,

729
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: I wish that were me. Um. Yeah, And as far

730
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: as that cover, she said, the original idea was to

731
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: have three heads, myself and a dog on each side

732
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: of me, but it didn't work. The dogs wouldn't stay still,

733
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: and for the shot that they were trying to get

734
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: for the new concept, that took a long time as well.

735
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: They I think they're sporting dogs or some kind of

736
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, dog, people tweeted us um like Winer

737
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: Rhymers or something almost. Oh yeah, hyperactive dogs, high energy animals,

738
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: and so they tried to take them on a run.

739
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: They tried to over feed them, and I guess they

740
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: would lay down and get the shot and one of

741
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: them would just like paw her face and ruin her makeup.

742
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be

743
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: right back with more too much information and just a moment.

744
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: By the time this record comes out September of eighty five,

745
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: Kate has been kind of off the radar long enough

746
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: that Enemy ran a literal where are they now feature

747
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: on her the preceding month. Yeah they're the worst, but

748
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: Hounds entered the UK album's chart at number one, knocking

749
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: Madonna's Like a Virgin off the top of the heap

750
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: and uh signaling Kate breakthrough into the American charts with

751
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: running The Madonna Kate Bush parallel is really interesting me

752
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: because they're born just a few weeks apart. One emerged

753
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: into the post progue scene of the UK, the other

754
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: emerged into the post punk scene in New York, and

755
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: there was a New York Magazine article from two thousand five,

756
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: I think, reviewing both of their albums that came out

757
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: at around the same time, Confessions on a Dance Floor

758
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: for Madonna and Aerial for Kate Bush. And it has

759
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: this great lead Madonna and Kate Bush lord over opposing

760
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: constellations and pops cosmos, the deity of public materialism versus

761
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: the divinity of private mysticism. But it thinks they got

762
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: so great. But I'm hard pressed the name two famale

763
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: artists of the eighties who has such a clear and

764
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: specific vision for themselves and the tenacity and power to

765
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: fulfill it. I just think that two of them together

766
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: are really interesting to me. Yeah, I mean, we we

767
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: did with a little bit with the Bronty stuff, but

768
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: she really brought so many influences to bear on this.

769
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: The mysticism thing made me just think about this grab

770
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: bag of her influences. A deeper understanding on sensual world

771
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: was inspired by Stephen Hawking Never Forever. The wedding list

772
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: was inspired by a true faux film. Get Out of

773
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: My House on two is inspired by The Shining. The

774
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: song Houdini was inspired by Best Houdini trying to contact

775
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: Harry Houdini after he died through seances. Do you ever

776
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: hear about the story behind cloud busting, Well, it's based

777
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: on a true story the readers died. Well. Firstly, there's

778
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: this book that came out in seventy three by a

779
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: guy named Peter Reich called a Book of Dreams, and

780
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: the book is about the relationship between Wilhelm Reich, who

781
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: is a psycho, psychiatrist and philosopher. He was sort of

782
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: a second generation of psychoanalysts, right after Freud. And this

783
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: guy had a farm and they spent a lot of

784
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: their time cloud busting. This gentleman had a machine that

785
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: he called a cloud buster that he claimed he could

786
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: produce rain in the atmosphere by manipulating a form of

787
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: hypothetical life force called orgone. This is in the seventies,

788
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: you said, yeah, Well, no he did this in when

789
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: did he a century? Yeah? Probably? But the book by

790
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: his son came out in seventy three and that's where

791
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: she heard it. Yeah, Man, who the hell else is

792
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: putting that kind of a pop song? Just what video

793
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: is so good? Yeah? But speaking videos, the video for

794
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: Running is a choreographed by Diane Gray, who is her

795
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: newest dance teacher at the time. Her partner in that

796
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: clip is a guy named Michael l V. However you

797
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, presumably it's French. He successfully auditioned for

798
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: the role after her regular partner, who's a guy named

799
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: Stuart Avon Arnold, wasn't available to something that he apparently

800
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: eternally regrets. This guy, Michael was given one day to

801
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: rehearse with her and they spent three days filming the video.

802
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: At the same time, he was performing in a play

803
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: on the London's West End, for which he was fined

804
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: by his union because the British Love Order ORNA. Yeah,

805
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: Kate Bush was really eager to bring dancing back into

806
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: videos because she felt that it was being used, in

807
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: her words, trivially in music videos of the time, and

808
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: in interview she elaborated that dance was quote being exploited

809
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: haphazard images, busy lots of dances without really the serious

810
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: expression and wonderful expression that dance can give. So we

811
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: felt how interesting it would be to make a very

812
00:44:55,239 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: simple routine between two people, almost classic and very simply film.

813
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: And here's another reason why I love Kate Bush. She

814
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: loved Monty Python, and she especially loved the work of

815
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: Monty Python's animator, Terry Gilliam. Who went on to become

816
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: a director and he directed the fantasy movie Time Bandits.

817
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: And she wanted Terry Gilliam to direct the video for

818
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: Running Up the Hill, but he was busy editing his

819
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: own masterpiece, Brazil, which is incredible, but instead he offered

820
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: up his cameraman David Garfaf, for the job, and another

821
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: Gilliam collaborator, Julian Doyle, directed the amazing video for cloud

822
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: Busting We keeps talking about, which starred Donald Sutherland, and

823
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: I guess for a time the video for Cloud Busting

824
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: was paired with Back to the Future in the Theaters,

825
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: which I didn't know makes so much sense. The whole

826
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: like kind of wild inventor guy making something in his

827
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: garage and I was not ready for I love that

828
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: so much. I think that was in under the ivy.

829
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: I have no idea how that would have happened. But Garfaf,

830
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: the director of the Running Up a Hill video, remembers

831
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: Kate Bush as fantastically dedicated. It's a quote from him.

832
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: She was still dancing at midnight when we would have

833
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: started at six in the morning, and she was very

834
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: much in charge of things, he said. I remember one

835
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: night we needed to go past midnight when it suddenly

836
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: gets much more expensive because of the crew and everything.

837
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: He get paid time and a half for union rates

838
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: and everything, and the producer said they didn't have it

839
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 1: in the budget. Kate went to the phone, called someone,

840
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: came back to the director and said, yeah, no problem,

841
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: we can keep going. Got the money lover her. Yeah,

842
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: apparently she went. At one point she went straight from

843
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: the set of this video to the pressing plant where

844
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 1: the single was being done so that she could supervise

845
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: the dedication going into the runoff groove. That is a

846
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: grindset mentality. Um yeah, and America, Stupid America's MTV. They

847
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: didn't even release that version of the video, not cloud

848
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: busting running. Uh. MTV used like a lips thinking live

849
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: performance from an appearance on a BBC TV show called Wan. Yeah,

850
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: he's like a British chat show host. He's like England's

851
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: answer to merv Griffin. Okay. Uh So, according to Kate's

852
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: brother Patty, he said MTV weren't particularly interested in broadcasting

853
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: videos that didn't have synchronized lip movements in them. They

854
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: liked the idea of people singing songs, but not black people. Uh.

855
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: One of the reasons that kay Bush wasn't a major

856
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: mainstream artist in the eighties in the state. It's aside

857
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: from as you mentioned, her extreme englishness, was the fact

858
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: that she never toured in America and has really only

859
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: done sporadic phone interviews with American journalists, So she really

860
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: never prioritized transatlantic success on that scale. Just wasn't interested.

861
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: And why would you be. We're terrible, We're terrible. Um. Yeah,

862
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: So following this, you know, kind of post towns, one

863
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: of her biggest hits is with Peter gabriel Don't give

864
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: Up that song. That's such a I remember hearing that

865
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: song as like a kid. It bummed me out so much. Yeah,

866
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: that comes out. You know. Another stub thing that kept

867
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 1: dogging her was every time she would collaborate with a guy,

868
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: people would be like, oh, what do the to go there?

869
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: People tagged this on her and gilmour Um, who, from

870
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: what I can see, they really had just a professional,

871
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: platonic relationship. But yeah, so they said that about her

872
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: and Peter gabriel Um, who is one of the all

873
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: times skirt chasers. God love him, but I know that

874
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: they used the very British term Peter Gabriel, who had

875
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: acquired a bit of a reputation as a swordsman. I've

876
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: never heard that expression, and all for all my anglophilia,

877
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: I've never heard that. Wow. So the notion of her

878
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: and Gabriel being a couple was shot down by no

879
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: less an authority than Shad O'Connor, who never wanted to

880
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: let anything get in the way of a good SoundBite,

881
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: said I've got to admire Kate Bush because Peter tried

882
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: to shag her and she wasn't having any She's the

883
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: only woman on earth whoever resisted him, including me. Uh

884
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: and Dolly Parton was apparently his first choice for a

885
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: duet partner, which I can see because I guess Peter

886
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 1: Gabriel was inspired to write Don't give Up after seeing

887
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: photos taken by Dorothea Lange of the American dust ball

888
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: and families trying to survive in the Great Depression, so

889
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: I could imagine he wanted a tinge of Americana before

890
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: kind of shifting focus and going more of like a

891
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: Thatcherist England in late seventies early eighties depression route and

892
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: getting you know, the quintessential English pop singer at that time.

893
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: But I can see why Dolly Parton would make sense. Uh.

894
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: Bush's next record, the Sensual World Sentensul, was probably another

895
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: stone on the pile of your theory. Yeah right. Um

896
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: went on to become her biggest selling album in the US,

897
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: was certified gold by the r I double A four

898
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: years after its release just five hundred thousand copies sold,

899
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: reached the number two position in the in the UK.

900
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: And then she follows that up with The Red Shoes,

901
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: which is sort of one of her guitar records. Eric

902
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: Clapton's on it, Jeff beck Is on it, Prince is

903
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: on it. But it was a tough period for her Um.

904
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: A very close collaborator of her guitarist named Alan Murphy

905
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: died around this time. Um so did her mother, Hannah.

906
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: As we mentioned, she's very close with her family, and

907
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 1: in nine she recorded short musical vignettes for for Topia

908
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: TV commercials. Is that real? There's other all on YouTube

909
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: and the cocktoaw Twins, What Far out Man for Topio? Yeah,

910
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: these are all out there. A lot has been made

911
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: of her sort of increasingly long time between albums and

912
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: her relatively slim discography, but she gave birth to her

913
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: son Birdie in she and Dell split up, I think

914
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: in their early nineties, and she meant another another musician,

915
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: a guitarist whose name is escaping me right now. Um, Yeah,

916
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: And so she gave birth to her son, Bertie. And

917
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: I think because she owned her masters and and it

918
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: was just a kind of an on the ball financial lady,

919
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: she didn't really have much incentive to put new stuff

920
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: out or tour. As we've talked about um, Palmer at

921
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: one point basically suggested that because she was such a

922
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: so hard on herself, it's such a perfectionist, that anytime

923
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: she played live she would just invariably be disappointed by it. Um.

924
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: But she puts out records in two thousand five Aerials

925
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: is that record and two thousand eleven Fifty Words for Snow,

926
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: which is based on the I have not fact checked

927
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: claim that the Inuits have fifty words for snow and

928
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: around that time her most visible the most visible her

929
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: music has been in a while was at the closing

930
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 1: ceremonies of the two thousand twelve Summer Olympics in London,

931
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: when they do a remixed version of Running Up That

932
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: Hill which soundtracks a dance performance, and again it's showing

933
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: how the US has been to her. A NBC didn't

934
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: even broadcast it. Uh know, she got tagged at the

935
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: constant comparison of the made in the press was to

936
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: Miss Havisham, which is unfair from great expectations by Charles Dickens.

937
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: The woman who was stood up at her own wedding,

938
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: I believe, and lives in her decrepit mansion, in her

939
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: wedding dress that's now all browned with age and a

940
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: rotting wedding cake. So yeah, there's an image for you. Yeah,

941
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: but you know, she does a twenty two night run

942
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: at the Hammersmith Apollo in two thousand fourteen, sold out

943
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: in fifteen minutes. Two things that are interesting me about that.

944
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: And one we mentioned her incredibly ambitious tour in nineteen

945
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 1: seventy nine, the Tour of Life, which only went through Europe.

946
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: That was her one and only tour, one on only

947
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: tour until this fourteen set of dates, and that was

948
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: just a string of residency dates. So she's only done

949
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: that one tour in seventy nine. But it's interesting this

950
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: fourteen residency is at the same venue where she saw

951
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: David Bowie give his Zicki start US farewell concert in

952
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, so the Bowie connections continue excellent this year. Obviously,

953
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: the Stranger Thing bump takes effect, at which point Running

954
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: becomes the most streamed song on Spotify globally. On June tenth,

955
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: it charts at number two in the UK Top hundred,

956
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: and it re enters the Billboard Hot one hundred at

957
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: number eight, which surpasses its original peak of number thirty,

958
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: and it becomes their first top ten hit. Hounds, The

959
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: record scales to a new peak, reaches number one on

960
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: the Top Alternative Albums list from Billboard, making it her

961
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: first chart topping record in the US. That's criminal. I

962
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: just want to say yeah. And then she was moved

963
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: to make an exceedingly rare public statement by it. She said,

964
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: it's hard to take in the speed at which this

965
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 1: has all been happening since the release of the first

966
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: part of the Stranger Things New series, so many young

967
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: people who love the show discovering the song for the

968
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: first time. The response to Running Up That Hill is

969
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: something that has had its own energy and volition, a

970
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: direct relationship between the shows and their audience, and one

971
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: that has stood completely outside of the music business. We've

972
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: all been astounded to watch the track explode, And apparently

973
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: it was Stranger Things star Winona Rider who encouraged the

974
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: producers to use Kate Bush's music because she's a huge

975
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: fan and writer. Said she would often wear her Kate

976
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: Bush t shirts on the set as a hint, which

977
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: I think is adorable. Um, but let's not forget that

978
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: running up that hill was also used in such TV

979
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: mainstays as C S I and C I S Los Angeles,

980
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: The Vampire Diaries Pilot, and The O C. But I

981
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: just think it's super cool that Kate Bush actually made

982
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: a statement on this, because he said she doesn't usually

983
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: feel moved to do such things. So that makes me

984
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: really happy that she's that pumped about this. Yeah, I

985
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: love it. Good for her, she deserves it. I hope

986
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: that I was able to make the case for her

987
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: in this as a serious artist and not just get

988
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: my fan boing get in the way of these arguments.

989
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: But she had to just endure so much from the

990
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: music industry, from the US, uh, Peter Gabriel, from Peter Gabriel,

991
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: from the press, and I have not yet talked out

992
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: the probability approaching one that everyone who hangs out with

993
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: her falls in love with her. But it is a

994
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 1: thing that has been remarked upon multiple times. Super producer

995
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: Daniel Lanoix, who's a big he's famous for his face,

996
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: spacious and ethereal recordings. He called her down to earth

997
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: apart from the fact that every man in the room

998
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: falls in love with her. One unnamed musician in the

999
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: Under the Ivy book quit working with her for years

1000
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: because he was quote absolutely desperately and totally in love,

1001
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,479
Speaker 1: just besotted with her. I kind of absented myself because

1002
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: I was getting emotionally involved and I lost all objectivity,

1003
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: so I bowed out. Yeah, I know. We mentioned the

1004
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: Prince connection. Michael Koppelmann, who's Prince's engineer, was emailing with

1005
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: Dell Palmer and this is and Prince described her in

1006
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: an email as his favorite woman, which that is high

1007
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: mother truck in praise, you know it is. She doesn't

1008
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: have a Grammy, not a single Grammy one brit award

1009
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: for thirteen nominations, but you know, highly doubt she cares. Yeah,

1010
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, none of that crap matters. And

1011
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: while I do occasionally have to stifle the urge to

1012
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: just preemptively tell people that I had my cap Bush

1013
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: t shirt before this year. I am still just constantly

1014
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: telling myself that we should be happy that more people

1015
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 1: know about her now. We should be happy that kids

1016
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: just get to discover this music for themselves. Well, folks,

1017
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: you have heard all about the deal that we've made. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yo,

1018
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: thanks for listening. This has been too much information. I'm

1019
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,200
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