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Speaker 2: What is going On Everybody? John middlecop three Now Podcasts

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Speaker 2: brought to you by my friends at Zone Pouches. Today

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Speaker 2: we will have on Josh Pate, who was just reported

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Speaker 2: the other day the ESPN is gonna build a show

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Speaker 2: around the guy, college football up and coming star, known

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Speaker 2: him now for a couple of years. And we recorded

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Speaker 2: this earlier in the week because I'm probably currently at

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Speaker 2: the hospital, just grinding along as a father, no big deal,

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Speaker 2: and we talked a lot of college football, had him

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Speaker 2: on for a while. Obviously, you can see it if

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Speaker 2: you go subscribe to the podcast on Netflix. All of

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Speaker 2: our videos are now on Netflix. Go check that out.

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Speaker 2: And yesterday we had Stucky breaking down the games, diving

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Speaker 2: deep into the point spreads and all the different angles,

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Speaker 2: as well as the National Championship game. Have on Pate

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Speaker 2: which talking transfer portal, the craziness, signetti, a little bit

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Speaker 2: of everything college football guy, big big fan of my

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Speaker 2: bald brother Josh. So that will be the game plan

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Speaker 2: this weekend. I don't think we will have reaction on

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Speaker 2: Saturday nights. It's just I'll probably still be at the hospital,

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Speaker 2: so Sunday it should be go as planned. But again

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Speaker 2: you never know. It's a little out of my hands.

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Speaker 2: I'm recording this part on Wednesday, so we'll just we'll

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Speaker 2: play her by ear. Let's just say that, and hopefully

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Speaker 2: everyone is going to have a good weekend and enjoy

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Speaker 2: the games and we will talk soon. But if you

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Speaker 2: listen on Collins Feed, make sure you subscribe to you

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Speaker 2: the three and Out podcast, Apple, Spotify, you guys know

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Speaker 2: the trill. And let's just dive into Josh okay, very

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Speaker 2: very excited. I would say he'd be excited to come

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Speaker 2: on Netflix. But the reality is, every time I go

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Speaker 2: to the gym in the morning, it had to be

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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. I look up. There's Stephen A. Smith,

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Speaker 2: Cameron Newton, and Josh Pate arguing about college football, and

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Speaker 2: I thought, my bald brother here. I mean, it has

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Speaker 2: to be a little bit of a pinch me moment,

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Speaker 2: Like it's pretty cool, you know, I'm just arguing with

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Speaker 2: Cam Newton about college football. Takes. This guy's had a

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Speaker 2: hell of a year from getting married to all over

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Speaker 2: the place with college football. Josh, how you doing, man.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good. You're talking about me being the one

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Speaker 1: that's had a busy year. You're the one the other

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Speaker 1: day where I'm looking at breaking news and I'm gonna Luckily,

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Speaker 1: I already subscribe to Netflix, and you know they've they've

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Speaker 1: been showing like the advertisements for the new shows. They're

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Speaker 1: about to pop up. Am I about to see you

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Speaker 1: on one of those teaser screens? Or we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: one of those sexy Middle Cough pictures with it like

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Speaker 1: an animated Mike and some lightning bolts. Is it already

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Speaker 1: happening and I haven't seen it yet? What's the deal?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, They've told me to get on the pate the

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Speaker 2: gym plan and hit and pump that iron so I

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Speaker 2: like a shirtless you know, glistening photo or something. Then

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden you're gonna see, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: what is going on here?

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Speaker 1: The secret, by the way, is to structure your day

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Speaker 1: in such a way where first thing in the morning,

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Speaker 1: at night you're working and people are saying, look at

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Speaker 2: I like, you, you know, grew up loving sports talk radio. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: you know, listening to Colin and stuff. So you know, Greenberg,

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Speaker 2: the stephen A experience and first Take. Can you just

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Speaker 2: explain that to us what that's like. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 2: you're just talking football, so it comes natural. But is

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Speaker 1: Yeah? It. So here's the way that worked. I was

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Speaker 1: we just went about college football and it was awesome. Now,

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Speaker 2: Know the number one question I get if I'm just

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Speaker 2: what's Colin like? What's Colin like? And obviously you know

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Speaker 1: The other thing that you learned back in the day,

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Speaker 2: You know. College football is obviously something that's near and

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Speaker 2: dear to your heart you love a lot. I do

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Speaker 1: make sure that you're free of anti trust legislation or

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Speaker 1: anti trust penalty, which means you break away and you

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Speaker 1: be in there, that's okay. But they're going to agree

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Speaker 1: to abide by a very similar self built governance structure

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Speaker 1: like the Detroit Lions and Jacksonville Jaguars would have to

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Speaker 1: operate under. And if you don't like it, you're not

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Speaker 1: going to be a part of it. We're all going

437
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Speaker 1: to make plenty enough money here, we're going to work together,

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Speaker 1: and of course we don't really care what it means

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Speaker 1: for Fresno State. We really don't care what it means

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Speaker 1: for Washington State. Now, naturally, I hate that because I

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Speaker 1: am a fan of college football in the whole. I'm

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Speaker 1: not an SEC or a Big ten fan. It does

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Speaker 2: now you live in Nashville. I mean you're immersed in

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Speaker 2: portion of this ticket resale market for this National Championship game. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: Indiana historically is a joke, but you can't parallel. Nineteen

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Speaker 2: right by players, he leaves a job, he can take

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Speaker 2: all the players with him. Not taking anything away from Signetti,

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Speaker 2: but what he's done the last couple of years would

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Speaker 2: It just would right right. And obviously, I mean these

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Speaker 2: I didn't know this. I mean I knew the Big

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Speaker 2: Ten had bigger schools than other, you know, universities around

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Speaker 2: the country and other conferences. But potentially people probably debate this,

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Speaker 2: but Indiana's up for the number one alumni base in

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Speaker 2: the country. And if you just do the law of averages,

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Speaker 2: if I'm producing more kids every year, the likelihood of

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Speaker 2: producing more rich kids is going to be higher, right,

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Speaker 2: even if it's a tiny tiny percent. And obviously Cubans involved.

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Speaker 2: Miami Private School clearly has money. And I do wonder

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Speaker 2: if you look at this, like one question, is the

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Speaker 2: SEC in trouble? Obviously they still are going to be

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Speaker 2: fine because financially they're television deal. But just in terms

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Speaker 2: of the big money guys, Ron Rivera GM at cal

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Speaker 2: cal has more billionaires than anyone in the any school

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Speaker 2: at Harvard included. But like most of them don't care

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Speaker 2: about cal if Ron can convince a couple of those guys, Hey,

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Speaker 2: come out with me, come come to the game. Like

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Speaker 2: I couldn't be the GM for them. You couldn't be

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Speaker 2: the GM for them and probably get calls back. But

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Speaker 2: maybe Ron can't. Hey, former NFL coach, they know who

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Speaker 2: Ron is. Same thing with Luck, right, And I just

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Speaker 2: wonder do you think financially that the SEC who just

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Speaker 2: you know, look at Texas Tech. They got someone that

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Speaker 2: most of the SEC schools don't have. Yeah, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you saw that Connor Stallion's tweet about you know, the

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Speaker 2: car dealership, which was funny. You know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: people make fun of him, But was there any validity

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Speaker 2: to their lack of I mean, we're talking about one

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Speaker 2: hundred millionaires and billionaires funding these programs. Do you think

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Speaker 2: that's a big picture worry.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm from the South. I live in the South.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you it's a huge worry in the South,

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Speaker 1: and even from an ex extension like college football perspective,

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Speaker 1: I would worry about that because think about disproportionately where

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Speaker 1: the If you look at a college football heat map,

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Speaker 1: you know what Atlanta looks like you know what Birmingham

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Speaker 1: looks like, New Orleans, Nashville, like Dallas, Houston. You know

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Speaker 1: those places are really disproportionately where the juice is for

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Speaker 1: college football interest. Well, if you're talking about the lifeblood

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Speaker 1: currently just being how much money you can give of

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Speaker 1: the sport, you're talking about laying those two maps over

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Speaker 1: each other and they don't align. That would concern me

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Speaker 1: a little bit long term. I don't think this is

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Speaker 1: long term because at the next point, I'm gonna make twofold. First,

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Speaker 1: you can't just rely on rich people to bankroll you

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Speaker 1: minus return on investment infinitely, just forever, that's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: There's still a lot of newness to this, So there's

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Speaker 1: still a lot of novelty to this, and it's a

553
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Speaker 1: big deal. You know, to be able to kick in

554
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Speaker 1: a few million and be able to get a linebacker

555
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Speaker 1: from Ohio State and then he keys your playoff run.

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Speaker 1: That's wonderful. Your school reaps the financial windfall from that

557
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Speaker 1: if they make the playoff, if they win conferences. But

558
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Speaker 1: as an investor, outside of your happiness, which is wonderful,

559
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Speaker 1: if that's what you value, I wish more people did

560
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Speaker 1: you're not really getting a return on the investment they're

561
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Speaker 1: asking you to give with no financial return. That is

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Speaker 1: a short term strategy. Long term strategy is to make

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Speaker 1: sure you have, either via collective bargaining agreement or via

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Speaker 1: anti trust exemption, a model where revenue sharing and therefore

565
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Speaker 1: payment to players is baked into the system instead of

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Speaker 1: this disproportionate, discombobulated Hey, look at us. We happen to

567
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Speaker 1: have a billionaire so we can bankroll a team. Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know where in the world anyone thinks that's sustainable.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Like, if you live in Lubbock, Texas, you're

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Speaker 1: going to push back on this. You're a beneficiary of that.

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Speaker 1: I understand you're going to push back on it. I

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Speaker 1: would ask you if you can remove your red Raider

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Speaker 1: cap for just a second, ask yourself if you think

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Speaker 1: that's in the greater interest of college football. But I

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Speaker 1: know what your pushback would be. Your pushback would be,

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Speaker 1: I don't care about what the greater interest of college

577
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Speaker 1: football is because no one else making decisions cared about

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Speaker 1: Texas Tech when it came to the greater interest of

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Speaker 1: college football. We were getting left behind, we were getting

580
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Speaker 1: boxed out, of the whole super conference model. So this

581
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Speaker 1: is what we have to do. That's why it's not

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Speaker 1: a one fold answer to me, it's a multi pronged

583
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Speaker 1: answer because you got to address the first problem I

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Speaker 1: just talked about while also addressing the second problem I

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Speaker 1: just talked about.

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Speaker 2: You know, let's use Joey McGuire as an example. Obviously,

587
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Speaker 2: I think he just got an extension because he was

588
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Speaker 2: in the playoffs. If he had gone eight and four's

589
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Speaker 2: he's still the coach after they spent that much money

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Speaker 2: on the roster, you know. So it's that's where I

591
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Speaker 2: think the pressure. Like the NFL, there's added pressure when

592
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Speaker 2: I buy a bunch of free agents. When we've drafted

593
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Speaker 2: high players, you know, before you got a longer runway.

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Speaker 2: These people have been complaining in college football like what

595
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Speaker 2: has it become, Well, it's become we're spending a lot

596
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Speaker 2: of money in this roster. We better win. It's why

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Speaker 2: you really Sarks a good example. They had a high

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Speaker 2: priced team this year and you felt, you know, you

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Speaker 2: could see it on his face like he was a

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Speaker 2: little on edge and he was a guy that what

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Speaker 2: they've been in the final four the last two years,

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Speaker 2: like he's had. He resurrected the program and you could

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Speaker 2: feel it. And if it's true, forty million dollars are

604
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Speaker 2: roster and let's just say they have the highest paid

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Speaker 2: roster and they'll have a pretty good idea they're near

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Speaker 2: the top. If not at the top, it's gonna be

607
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: like a win or bus here for him, right, not

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Speaker 2: not the national championship, but like he couldn't miss the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he just needs to make the playoff.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about huge money here, okay, And you're talking

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Speaker 1: about the field being twelve teams for all we know,

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Speaker 1: it could be sixteen. But at the very least you

613
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Speaker 1: think it changed next year. I hope not. But it

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Speaker 1: sounds like we're at a fifty to fifty right now.

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Speaker 1: Like it sounds like the SEC and the Big ten

616
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Speaker 1: have to agree. Sidebar that for a second with Sark.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's good enough for him to just

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Speaker 1: make the playoff. Like I hate to participate in this

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Speaker 1: kind of conversation, but you're not wrong. And with the

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Speaker 1: field being bigger than it used to be, you think

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Speaker 1: that fan base is about to look at their school

622
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Speaker 1: in large part because they helped it spend forty million

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Speaker 1: on a roster and say, oh good, we were one

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Speaker 1: of the twelve best teams in the country. That's not

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Speaker 1: forty million dollar return. Forty million dollar return is we're

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Speaker 1: a prime player for the national championship. Very at the

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Speaker 1: very least, we'd better be within reach of the national championship,

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Speaker 1: if not winning the thing. If that sounds insane, well

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Speaker 1: yeah it is. But we've long since removed adding that

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Speaker 1: label because it's just a given with the current state

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Speaker 1: of college football. But they they got arch Manning, who

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Speaker 1: played his best ball at the end of the year,

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Speaker 1: and then they go get Cam Coleman, who was the

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Speaker 1: number one overall rated player in the portal, big time

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Speaker 1: wide receiver talent out of Auburn wingos still there. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you notice what they did with their

637
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Speaker 1: tailback room. They flushed their tailback room. Totally not bad players,

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Speaker 1: but they flushed them and brought in all the top,

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Speaker 1: well a couple of the top tailbacks in the portal.

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Speaker 1: So they're just re engineering critical parts of roster. They're

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Speaker 1: keeping the parts that they like. It's Texas, so they

642
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: had a lot of parts they already liked. Yeah, and

643
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: it is a go for it type year. It's Ohio

644
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: State last year, John Ohio State last year. I'm not

645
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: gonna say forty, but they had a substantial investment in

646
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: their roster. They lose to Michigan, but because the playoff's

647
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: big enough, they still find a way to back their

648
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: way in. They play their best ball. At the end

649
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: of the year, they win it, and so it all

650
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: paid off. But you remember what the talk was after

651
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: that Michigan game. There were people legitimately questioning whether Ryan

652
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: they should keep his job if they go one and

653
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: done in the playoffs. So that's absolutely the temperature that

654
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: will be on Sark this this fall.

655
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: I bet on Tennessee in that game, I look like

656
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: an idiot.

657
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: But twenty three at kickoff, that was a tough, tough night,

658
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: that was brutal.

659
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: You think Lane was rooting for All miss the other day, No,

660
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: no chance, No, I no.

661
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: There may be like individuals that he was pulling for,

662
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: but no one's going to convince me that that relationship

663
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: ended on good terms. In retrospect, I don't even know

664
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: how it could have ended on good terms unless he

665
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: just stayed, in which case he may be bitter that

666
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: he stayed. So no, no, I do not.

667
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: Do you think it's a Trinidad got a raw deal

668
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: for the Division two counting, Like, what are we doing here?

669
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: We've let so many people just let's have a good time.

670
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: Let him play one more year. I would understand if

671
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: he had been coming from even like a Fresno State

672
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: or a Boise State. You're talking about Farris State. It

673
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: really was. It felt like one of the more genuine

674
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: college football stories in a long time.

675
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I try not to get wrapped up in

676
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: the story part of it because I want to make

677
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: that independent of my answer on it, because I do,

678
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: as dangerous as this is, I do try and put

679
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: myself in an NCAA decision maker's position.

680
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know if he had a case,

681
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: like I mean, I obviously didn't may so.

682
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: So here's where this bit me. I'll lose train of

683
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: thought if I don't answer this. I don't. I never

684
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: immersed myself in enough of the details with Trinidad. So

685
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: when I saw that ruling come down, I probably had

686
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: the same reaction you did. I just want to see

687
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: him play another year because I like watching him play.

688
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: So when I see that ruling, I'm predisposed to go

689
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: double barrel mental fingers to the NC DOUBLEA. Can't stand

690
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: you guys. You're in it for everything but the players,

691
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And maybe that's the case, but I

692
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: go back a few months before the season, there was

693
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: a kid who had transferred to South Carolina tailback, I believe,

694
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: and he had a waiver request into the NC Double

695
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: A and the word was it got denied and then

696
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: they had to reapply. I'm a little hazy on the details,

697
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: but the general message here will be sound. And it

698
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: kept on going and kept on going, and South Carolina

699
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: fans were pissed because they were thinking, how long does

700
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: it take to just review a guy's appeals process? It's

701
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: either approved or denied. But then it stretched into fall

702
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: camp and then it was torch and pitch fork and

703
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: NC DOUBLEA headquarters. Shame on you guys, you're detrimental to players.

704
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: And come to find out paperwork had been so admitted

705
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: wrong and so the way the proposal had to be

706
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: submitted had only been submitted late in the spring slash summer,

707
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: and the NCUBAA had actually informed South Carolina and guided

708
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: them on how to apply it properly. Well that never

709
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 1: saw the light of day. So my point is, once

710
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: you're read in on critical details, sometimes you realize, oh man,

711
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: I've been demonizing someone and I didn't even know what

712
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: I was talking about. So I've come to adopt that

713
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: approach with all these appeals requests, whether it be Pavia

714
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: or Trinidad or anyone else, I'm going to assume I

715
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: don't know the full story. I'm going to assume I

716
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: haven't gone through his case with a fine tooth comb.

717
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: I know what I personally want to see. I want

718
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: to see him play again, and I know the NCAA

719
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: doesn't have the best track record in court, so who knows,

720
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: maybe we will see him again. But I've tried not

721
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: to get too up in arms about that one.

722
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: Well let's just end on the natty. I think a

723
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 2: lot of the country is going to be rooting for Indiana.

724
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: I mean his Google Me statement and then to live

725
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 2: up to it over the couple of years. But just

726
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: from an on the field standpoint, obviously they haven't lost

727
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 2: a game, but if they win this game, to beat

728
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: Ohio State, to roll Alabama, to destroy Oregon, and then

729
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: beat a Miami team which is loaded with pros and

730
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: is really good, right, I mean they are really good.

731
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: It would be truly and I get it. This isn't

732
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three where he's just done this organically. It's

733
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: still one of the crazier stories in my lifetime in sports.

734
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: I truly believe that. Yeah, I know he's gonna do it.

735
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: It almost feels too good to be true. Their huge favorite.

736
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: I think Miami probably gets to fly a little under

737
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: the radar after kind of their weird performance against Ole

738
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 2: Miss because their talent is pretty immense, especially the line

739
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: of scrimmage.

740
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: I don't know where we would find a better college

741
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: football story. I don't really know off the top of

742
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: my head who that would be. You know, someone asked

743
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: me the day, is it a Cinderella story. I don't

744
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 1: call it a Cinderella story. I call it an incredible story.

745
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: Cinderella to me is if he stayed at James Madison

746
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: and James.

747
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: But if Boise State had won a national champion Roonner Peterson.

748
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: Like a legit have not like at Indiana. Just because

749
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: you haven't doesn't mean you're not tapped into massive pools

750
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: of media rights money. And you got Mark Cuban there

751
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm not saying money is why they're winning this. But

752
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: you're not gonna call any Big ten or SEC team

753
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: I have not or a Cinderella.

754
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 2: Yas the Heisman Trophy number one overall big quarterback right now.

755
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: Well, the quarterback's the key part there. Like, if I'm

756
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: gonna shoot down the Cinderella argument, you're obviously not doing

757
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: this without Fernanda Mendoza. If you just take Mendoza, they

758
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: pay two and a half million dollars for him, which

759
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: is a bargain by the way, but they still pay

760
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: two and a half million for him. That's more than

761
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: the entire payroll of most G five teams. So that's

762
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: not a have not. That's not a Cinderella. It's an

763
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: insanely good story. It's an improbable story because the thing

764
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: about Indiana is they don't have access to anything that

765
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: the rest of the Big Ten doesn't and the rest

766
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: of the SEC doesn't, so everyone had access to go

767
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 1: after these same players. Everyone is totally free to run

768
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: their operation and their program on the same principles and

769
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: value systems that Kurt Signetti does. So it's not like

770
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: there's some magic formula secret ingredient. The ingredients are the

771
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: same ones that have worked since the dawn of time.

772
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: If you're trying to build anything, it's just that it's

773
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: so human nature to think that you evolve beyond this

774
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: change and move beyond that. Well, yeah, maybe no one's

775
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: running the triple option offense anymore, so maybe principles of

776
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: the specific tactical way you go about the game have changed.

777
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: But there are some non negotiables and Signetti's just got

778
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: the audacity to lean into them, and he's just whipping

779
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: other people that thought they were good enough to overthink

780
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: the room on this stuff. So yeah, I will caution this,

781
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: please enjoy this, And I'm speaking to Indiana fans right now.

782
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: They were awesome to be around in Atlanta, by the way,

783
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: a ton of them. Unbelievable.

784
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: What was the ratio I saw it.

785
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: It had to be fifty to one on the street.

786
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: It was you were It was like a Where's Waldo?

787
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: To find green shirts around Atlanta, I've never seen any.

788
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: It was like Sherman coming into Atlanta. That's how big

789
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: they invaded Atlanta. It was unbelievable. However, I had a conversation,

790
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: and maybe this is anecdotal, I had a conversation with

791
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: an INDIANAFM and he said to me, as great as

792
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: this team is, this is the least talented team Signetti

793
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: will have in his remainder of his time in Indiana.

794
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, go on, what do you mean

795
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: by that? And his implication was, We're only going to

796
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: get better from here. You may get more talented from here.

797
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: Signetti will never have a better team at Indiana than

798
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: he does right now. If you guys, more than anyone

799
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: should know how you define team. It ain't just talent.

800
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: And so this is I don't care how long he

801
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: stays there. This is like when he was at Alabama

802
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: under Saban, those eight to nine teams, the first ones

803
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: that Saban had that made a run at titles. He

804
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: all always told the story about how special those groups were,

805
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: and he had way more talented teams come after him,

806
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: but there was nothing like the dynamics they had on

807
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: those first teams, because those were the last kids that

808
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: came in with a what can we do for Alabama

809
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: mentality instead of what can Alabama do for me? Mentality?

810
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 1: And now you'll see Indiana be a destination and they'll

811
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: still run them through the same filter they always have.

812
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: So it's not like they're going to fall off a cliff.

813
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: You will never have a dynamic from a team aspect

814
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: in the sport of football that's better than what they've

815
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: put on the field this year. There's I don't think

816
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: it's possible to improve from what they've done this year.

817
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: Does Miami look way better than they do just when

818
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: you're on the sideline having been around.

819
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, it's insane. They're the best looking team

820
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: in college football. Sometimes that's a slight because you're saying

821
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: it about a team that hasn't performed.

822
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Miami, it's like a team you're like, they went

823
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: five and seven, But yeah, they look good.

824
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: Oh they look good though. No, Miami's line of scrimmage.

825
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna hear this stat thrown around so

826
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: much this week, But they outweigh Indiana's OH line by

827
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: like or D line, like fifty pounds O line versus

828
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: D line.

829
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: The two tackle's got to be a combined seven hundred

830
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 2: pounds or something. I mean, they are massive.

831
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: And they play to their size. So that's gonna be

832
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: fun to watch. Man, Because Indiana has been so good

833
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: at getting leads on teams and making it where you

834
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: can't even use the run game. You got to throw

835
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: the ball to keep up. If Miami can weather that

836
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: early storm, or better yet, create the storm early and

837
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: they're they're able to stay balanced in their play calling,

838
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: and they're able to use that four quarter lean on

839
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: your approach, the law of physics says that should work. Now,

840
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: the law of physics, Indiana has to fight all year,

841
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: but it says it should work.

842
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: Imagine if I would have told young Josh Pate that

843
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: Miami beating Indiana in a national championship where they both

844
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: went through a bracket would be known as a massive

845
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: massive you know, upset. I don't think you would have

846
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: believed me fifteen to twenty years ago.

847
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say. Yeah, I don't

848
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: even know what to say.

849
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: Well, thanks man for coming on, and we'll see on.

850
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 2: You can be on ESPN later this week.

851
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: I will at some point. Just you make sure you're

852
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: in the gym, and I'll make sure that you see me.

853
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: How about that that bald head glistens and puts a

854
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: smile on my face. Man, take it easy, man, Thanks

855
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: for coming on.

856
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Brother. The volume