WEBVTT - #529 Packers Unscripted: Draft dive, Q&A style 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:15.000 Hi, everyone. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted Social 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:18.360 distancing Style from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffor, 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.960 joined as always by the one and only Wes Hodkuwitz. 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:24.639 We're coming to you from our humble abodes as we 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:27.600 have for the last several weeks in West I Hope 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.520 you had a good weekend, sir. It was certainly a 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:32.800 turn for the better with the weather up here in 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.879 northeast Wisconsin. Yeah, it was a fun weekend, Mike. I mean, 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:37.720 you know, we got a chance to go outside. We 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.160 actually did a little bit of We got a swing 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:41.760 set out there that has like one of those maybe 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:43.400 you had one of these when when the kids were young, 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.480 But it has like the slide and then the little 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:48.320 shoot for like a pirate ship that you can like 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:51.400 shoot out water. So like you, I hooked that up 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:53.160 and then it was going down into this little mini 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.000 pool and my son was having a good time with that. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.080 I got a chance to get on the grill a 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:01.000 little bit, did some yardwork. Uh, slowly but surely. I 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:02.800 the house is gonna be it as good as a 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.320 condition it's ever been at the time this thing is 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:07.160 all said and done, so we were able to stay 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.600 busy and fortunately for a couple of days after a 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:11.600 busy weekend last week, step away from the office a 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:15.839 little bit, which is again above my garage. Yeah. Absolutely, Well, 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.039 for now, we are a full week removed from the 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.320 two thousand twenty NFL Draft, and I wanted to do 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.679 one more show here in a little bit of a 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:26.960 review of the draft class. But we're gonna do it 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.880 in uh sort of Q and A style. And I 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:32.119 haven't even given you this in advance because the show 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.759 is truly unscripted. But I have a series of questions 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.280 that I'm gonna throw at you West with regards to 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.480 some of your thoughts about the draft class. You can 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.000 give your answer, I'll give my answer. We'll go back 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.039 and forth a little bit and see how this goes. So, 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:46.319 and some of these questions are some of the same 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.840 ones we've been getting an insider inbox and whatnot, so 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.279 the fans helped to generate some of these soap. Question 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:57.040 Number one, which Packers draft pick do you feel will 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:00.640 make the biggest impact as a rookie. I'm gonna go 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.360 with A J. Dillon on this one, just because one 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.440 running backs traditionally have been a position where a guy 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:08.919 can step in and make an impact right away. I mean, 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.000 just look at what Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams did 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.200 going back in two thousand seventeen. Uh certainly Eddie Lacey 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.240 Offensive Rookie of the the Year in two thousand and thirteen. 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.480 So there is that out the outside chance. So I 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.720 don't think I'm going on on that far of a limb. 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.000 But what I really like about him is that even 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.040 if he's not touching the ball two hundred three hundred 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:28.000 times as a rookie situationally I think he's gonna be 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.800 a really interesting weapon because, as we saw last year, 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.400 Matt Lafloor likes this idea of using multiple running backs 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.639 on the field at the same time, and the Packers 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.799 did have a fair amount of success with it last year. 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:41.080 Now you put in a tune or in forty seven 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:44.040 pound running back into that equation, you can motion out 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.560 with Jamal Williams and Aaron Jones, you can do different 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.320 things to create off of that. And for that reason, 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:52.280 whether it's short yardage production or just overall finding a 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.320 way to get this guy in the offense, I think 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:57.400 a J. Dillon, assuming as Matt Lafleur said, he earns 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.440 his spot, he earns his keeping, he earns the reps. 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.280 The the offense is laid out for this guy to 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.960 make an impact in year one. I would agree with you. 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.760 My answer to the question also would be a j. Dillon. 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.880 But to pick a second response be real easy to 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.280 say Josiah Deguara because of how excited we know Matt 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.280 Lafleur is to get a versatile piece like that into 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.400 his offense and all the different places he can line up. 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.680 But I'm gonna pivot a little bit and actually go 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:25.280 with Kamal Martin, the fifth throne draft pick out of Minnesota. Now, 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.919 I say that as far as rookie impact, not so much, 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.600 because I think he's gonna be lining up for, you know, 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.640 fifty snaps a game next to Christian Kersey. I do 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:37.480 see him in that competition with Ty Summers or in 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.920 Burke's Curtis Bolton for who's going to play the majority 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.920 of those snaps next to Christian Kurtsey. So he's going 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.480 to have that opportunity. But I see Martin as a 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:50.080 guy who could step in and be playing on all 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.680 four of the special teams units. He could be a 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.200 real impact guy on the return and the coverage. I 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.000 think this is a guy that, even if he doesn't 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:02.440 necessarily find um that role on defense right away as 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.680 a rookie, that this guy you're going to see on 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.280 the field because I think he's gonna be a potential 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.240 core special teamer. Yeah. I made this point an insider 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.760 in box last week. I thought it was a salient one. 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.440 Not necessarily was a great genius moment by me, but 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:18.640 just in terms of where this defense is and what 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.440 they want to accomplish in two thousand twenty. The last 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.200 two years, and it's mostly been just because of injuries 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.599 to or in Burks, but in that last week of 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.800 training camp or in last year's case, after the final cuts, 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:31.680 the Packers have had to go out and get veteran 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.840 help at inside linebacker. Two years ago it was Antonio Morrison, 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.200 last year it was b J. Goodson. I think the 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.520 hope is the Packers have enough in house candidates this 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.880 year that, Okay, if something happens, whether it's Burkes or 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:48.560 whether it's Martin ty Summers, Curtis Bolton, you have enough 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.039 there that you can go with the guys that you've 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.400 been prepping for the season instead of having to make 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:55.960 an abrupt shift and then bringing Morrison and Goodson into 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.000 the offense late. That I think is a strength. The 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.839 question is is how much the Packers want to play 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:05.040 traditional nickel And that answer we're not gonna get for months, 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.040 probably because Abrahem Campbell's gone now he went and signed 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.400 to believe it was with Tennessee. Right, he's moved on 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.120 to his next spot. You still have Raven Green there, 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:15.080 who was the guy that was slated to be in 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.880 the hybrid role last year before his injury. And then 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.720 now there'll be a new incoming of safeties that could 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.640 potentially factor into that. But at the end of the day, 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:25.800 there's a reason why the Packers drafted or In Berkes, 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:28.200 is a reason why now they drafted Kamal Martin. They 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.400 want to be able to get their inside linebackers on 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.560 the field should they earn the reps. That's gonna be 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.680 a really intriguing battle to watch whenever we're able to 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:41.320 watch it. Yeah, alright, Well, question number two. A lot 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:43.560 of talk in this Packers draft has been about what 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.279 the Packers did not get. So I am going to 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.040 ask you because you and I were surprised at how 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.080 this went. We did a lot of preview as two 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.080 different directions we thought the Packers would go. So from 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:58.120 your point of view, what's your biggest regret that the 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.760 Packers did not accomplish with this draft? Okay, So this 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.520 is where I think every Packer fan out there is 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.080 gonna say, well, this is where he obviously says receiver, right. 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.440 I mean, that's that's the regret it seems like all 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.640 Packer fans have had. But I mean, if you go 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.920 off the track record this the Packers just haven't put 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.480 first round capital into a receiver. And and if they 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.120 weren't going to take one of the first, second, or 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.600 third rounds, I really had no issue whatsoever with them 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.520 not taking in drafting that position. We've been down that road, 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:28.000 and Mike, honestly, even if you find a nice prospect there, 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.320 it's gonna take time for them develop. It's very difficult 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:31.800 for those players to come in and just knock the 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:35.160 doors down. Donald Driver needed three seasons before he became 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.799 a factor in the Packers offense. So in that regard, 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.680 I'm gonna shift the focus more towards defensive line. And 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:44.920 the reason I say that is one for seven straight years. 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.400 The Packers drafted at least one defensive linemen in all 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.800 of these drafts. And and certainly they did get a 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:54.200 prospect out of Miami that does have defensive end credentials, 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.120 but it's gonna play edge rusher. The Packers didn't get 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.480 a defensive tackle, though, and I thought that was one area. 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.320 It's the reason I had them picking Ross Blacklock. I 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.599 thought that was one area where they could potentially help 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.919 not only deepen the defensive line room, but maybe also 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.720 find a three tech that could take some of the 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.320 snaps off of Kenny Clark. Now, Kenny's only twenty four, 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.800 He's at the peak of his powers right now, and 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.400 he's only getting better. But the Packers have been playing 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.960 him about snaps here the past few seasons. So I 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.880 said it you can flash back the old unscripted episodes. 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.200 I kind of wondered whether or not they would find 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.320 a defensive tackle that could help take some of the 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.640 reps off of him, you know, also maybe take some 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.640 reps off Dean Lowry. And while they did go out 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.360 and signed Trevon Hester now who has been in the 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.200 league for three years with three different teams, they haven't 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.440 really found a guy that I thought could just slide 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.080 right in there with them. So all things considered, uh, 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.280 that that was where I thought maybe this, you know, 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.280 going off the track record of the defensive line position 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:54.680 and also you know, potentially in need there, I thought 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.440 they would have brought someone in. Yeah, I am totally 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:00.200 with you. If I were to labeled my big to 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.720 regret as far as what the Packers did not address 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.080 in this draft, I would not say receiver. For me, 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:08.320 it's defensive line. I talked for several weeks leading up 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.240 to it, even when we went to the combine, before 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.480 we went to the combine, about how, boy, if the 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:14.960 Packers could find the next Kenny Clark at the end 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.720 of the first round, you extend Clark, then you have 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.040 these two guys there in the middle of the defensive 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.720 line that can be paired together, you know, for several 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:24.920 years to come here. I really thought that was something 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.280 that the Packers could set themselves up for the future 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.360 as far as the core of that defense. Just to 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:35.040 to give a second response to the question, I'm gonna 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.000 say this with a little bit of a qualifier. My 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.480 regret would be that it doesn't look like the Packers 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.960 drafted an offensive tackle of the future. When you have 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:48.079 David Bactieri going into a contract year, his his extension, 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.440 potential resigning is going to be very expensive. We know that. 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.640 But he certainly has um a lot of a gas 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.320 left in the tank. So to speak. Rick Wagner, your 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:59.880 new signing at right tackle, he's the same age as 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.360 Ryan Bulaga. This is not a long term solution. I 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.319 think everybody knows that now. The qualifier I say is 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:09.400 that if John Runyan Jr. Whom the Packers selected in 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.520 the sixth round, if he ends up becoming that offensive 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:14.720 tackle of the future, then I'll retract what I say. 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.920 But everything we're hearing so far is that the Packers 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.320 are looking at Runyon as a guard, not as a tackle. 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:22.960 So I just think that's a that's a position for 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:26.120 the future down the line that that you're gonna be 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.200 you're gonna be looking at as a need. And with 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.439 where the Packers are right now, with box tr and 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:34.240 Wagner not having that guy necessarily in the pipeline right now, 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.520 that's a little bit of a regret for me. Well yeah, 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:38.480 and there's gonna be questions there when you get into 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.600 the third day about what the upside is of some 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.120 of these guys. Sometimes they come in, they don't make 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.520 an impact, and they leave. Sometimes they turn into Corey 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.240 Linsley or a Rick Wagner who was a sixth round 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.040 pick for the Baltimore Ravens, you know, six seven years ago. 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.319 So that that there's always a coin flip situation there. 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.719 You never know what you're gonna get, so you I'm 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.719 trying to keep the expectations modest, but I do think 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.160 on Runyan Jr. Was a good pick up for the 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.880 Packers and in in a spoil little spoiler alert for 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:06.960 a spretory that's coming, I had a chance to talk 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.840 with both John Junior and John Senior last week, and 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.360 it was really interesting listen to John Senior talk about 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.239 his son, because he thinks he does have the flexibility 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.200 still to play at tackle. If they want to make guard, 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:20.280 he'll play at guard. But there are so many parallels 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.480 between the way that John Senior entered the league as 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.600 a fourth round pick in you know what's happening now 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.040 with his son as a sixth round pick. These guys 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.560 aren't just like bona fide blue Chippers that everyone's just 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.280 expecting to start to a step starting lineup. But there 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.560 is a lot of athleticism there with John Jr. That 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.559 he could potentially give you that flexibility if the Packers 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.319 are patient and they're able to develop him. From that perspective, 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:43.160 this is a guy that did think he was going 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.200 to be playing center. Originally when he went to Michigan, 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.120 he thought he was gonna be an interior offensive lineman, 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.120 but opportunity dictated him getting a spot at right tackle 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.840 at the end of his sophomore year and then starting 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.640 at left tackle his final two years. That's where this 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.959 whole dominos took him. So coming into the league, he's 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.600 very open minded of where he's gonna play and where 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:03.760 he could potentially fit. He just wants to get a 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:05.599 spot on a fifty three and he wants to have 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.160 an opportunity to play in the National Football League. Yeah, 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.080 and I'll just say this, and it's sort of we're 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.400 sort of covering my next question, which was going to 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.480 be who's the most intriguing of the sixth round offensive 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:17.800 lineman to you just on the surface as we're barely 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.520 getting to know these guys, and when you talk about, 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.080 you know, running in the whole tackle and guard thing, 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.400 It's interesting to me with Jake Hansen from Oregon, you know, 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.400 with his possibilities at center and at guard, and what 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:33.720 intrigues me about him potentially moving forward is this is 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.160 the guy who started forty nine college games at Oregon 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.400 in the Pack twelve. This is a this is a 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.640 four year starter from start to finish in his career. 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.200 You know, when you when you have that kind of 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:48.560 experience playing at that high level of college football for 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.840 that long, it's just hard for me to to see 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:56.080 him not somehow finding his way um into a into 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.520 a prominent role in this Packers offensive line at some 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:02.760 point in the future wherever that maybe. So um to 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.480 answer the third question as far as the sixth round 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.400 offensive lineman, your answers running and my answer is Hanson. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.920 So with that, we're gonna move on to my next question, 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:15.160 and I think we'll wrap up with this one. Okay, 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:19.240 in the Aaron Rodgers era, and obviously we don't exactly 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.240 know the length of that era at this point, and 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:23.320 we don't need to get into that discussion right now, 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.360 But in the Aaron Rodgers era, which of these draft 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:30.760 picks has to make the biggest contribution for the Packers 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:34.319 to win another Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback. Oh, 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.760 that's a good question, Michael, That's a really good question. 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.320 I would probably lean towards saying a J. Dillon just 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.079 because there are the questions there with Aaron Jones and 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.839 Jamal Williams. They're both free agents after this season, So 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.240 you need a J. Dillon regardless of happens with those 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.320 contracts and how long Jones and Williams will be in 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.120 Green Bay. You you're getting Dylan to set up the 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.920 future here with him under contract for the next four years. 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.680 But I will say, and I'm not de meaning to 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:01.960 take probably the two most obvious answers off the board 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.880 for you, But Josiah Deguire is an interesting one because 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.240 this is a shift with the offense. Uh, this is 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.000 a move tight end. This is a guy that's gonna 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:14.280 play multiple positions. So if Josiah Deguara is successful, if 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.000 he turns out to be a real gem there in 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:19.240 the third round, there is a possibility that that also 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.720 is indicative of the success that they're gonna have underneath 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.000 Matt Lafleur in the transition that they're making with the 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.800 offensive scheme. As I've said, numerous times now between Insider 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.080 inbox and on this space here on on the scripted. 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.319 This isn't your spread them out four receiver, five receiver 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:38.320 offense anymore. It's a lot more internal. It's it's more multiple, 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.120 it's it's more tight end and running back base. That's 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.920 where they've devoted their resources and that's where the packers 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:47.559 are looking to get production. So if Josiah Deguara is successful, 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.600 I know everyone mentions Kyle use Check. I think that's 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:54.200 somewhat unfair to Daguara because use Check is is a 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.160 traditional fullback that gets used in different ways. I think 0:13:57.320 --> 0:13:59.120 Deguire is going to be more of a Swiss Army 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.480 knife in that regard. And if he turns out to 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:03.920 be a guy that can play move, tight end neclay 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.600 h back that can split out wide, he becomes a 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.240 real problem for secondaries and how they want to defend 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:13.840 not only him, but the packages that he's incorporated into. Yeah. Well, 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.560 my initial reaction, my first response to this question off 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:19.720 the top of my head was definitely A j. Dillon. 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:23.120 And I say that because just because after this year, 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.360 I don't see both Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams both 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.920 coming back to the Packers on second contracts. It just 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.600 doesn't seem, you know, financially, salary cap wise, that that's 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:34.960 going to be realistic. And so I see a J. 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.920 Dillon not only this year, but then certainly starting in one, 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.840 having potentially and even more prominent role in the offense. 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.640 But I'm gonna throw another one at you, just just 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.800 to paint a particular scenario for you to answer this 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.600 question in a in a way to get people thinking 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:56.320 just a little bit. I think the Packers best chance 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.520 to get to another super Bowl in the Aaron Rodgers 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:00.720 era is to get the number one seed in the 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.480 NFC and to have the entire path to the Super 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:08.840 Bowl go through lambeau Field. Yeah that being said, Okay, 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.920 I think Jordan's Love is going to hit a moment 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:16.600 somewhere here in the Aaron Rodgers era where maybe Rogers 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.320 tweaks a hamstring, pulls a calf muscle again, like he 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.480 did something like that that keeps him out for a 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:25.440 week or two, and Jordan's Love winning a game or 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.800 two could be the difference between the Packers being a 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.520 two or three seed in the NFC and being the 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.840 one seed and having that NFC Championship game potentially go 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.840 through lambeau Field to get the Packers to a super Bowl. 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.400 I just I throw that out there as a scenario 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.960 to say that Jordan's love could definitely play a significant 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:48.640 role in the Packers winning a Super Bowl getting to 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.320 another super Bowl in the Aaron Rodgers era. So just 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.760 I'll toss I'll toss that one out there. Yeah, I 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.240 like that. I think that is a very thoughtful and 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.560 you know, really diplomatic way to think about it. Because 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.200 here's thing. You go back to the Patriots over the 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.320 last five years. You know, whether it was Jacoby Brissette 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.160 or Jimmy Garoppolo, both of those quarterbacks who were second, 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.040 i believe third round picks, they won meaningful games for 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.520 the Patriots that did have implications for them later on 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.000 in the season, and then obviously both ended up turning 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.680 into capital, whether it be a draft pick or a 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.320 trade like Brissette was to the to the Colts. So 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.120 it definitely makes sense. The thing I want to point 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.600 out because I know I've been one of the guys 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:29.320 that was saying you don't you don't need to draft 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:33.040 a quarterback yet that was my narrative going into the draft. 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.360 It's been my narrative the last few years, but now 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.320 that it's done. One thing that I think the Packers 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.640 have done really really well during the Aaron Rodgers era. 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.680 If you wanted to bring in a veteran backup at 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:44.760 the beginning of his time, I would have had no 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:46.720 issue with it. You want to have somebody that can 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:50.320 be there with them, no problem. Far've had Jim McMahon 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.760 and Steve Bono and all these other guys that were 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.280 with him. But now that you're at this latter half, 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.720 you know this this back nine, as he calls it, 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:02.440 of his career. It is good to have young talent 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.920 there to develop instead of going and just paying seven 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.920 million dollars for a backup quarterback that a probably isn't 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.760 gonna play and b there's been mixed results when those 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.000 guys have actually had to go in there. You have 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:18.600 a first round credential player now in Jordan's Love, and 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.560 certainly he's gonna need time to develop, but there's also 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.520 a different caliber of athlete, a different caliber of quarterback 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.040 if he is summoned into a game at some point, 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.560 and I think that is something that really could benefit here. 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.280 The Green Bay Packers in the next four or five seasons. Yeah, 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.720 and I'll just I'll just close on this when you 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.040 look at that scenario that I just laid out. Now, 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:41.400 obviously the Packers are going the young, developing quarterback as 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:43.239 you said, for the backup route, but just look at 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.679 last year when the Kansas City Chiefs lost Patrick Mahomes 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:48.840 for a couple of games. Now, the Packers went to 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.080 Arrowhead and knocked them off on Sunday Night Football, but 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:55.119 the Chiefs the following week with Matt Moore at quarterback, 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.520 the veteran backup was the route they decided to go. 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:02.479 But them beating the Minnesota Vikings in that game that 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:06.440 propelled Kansas City to the number two seed in the 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.359 a f C, which then when Baltimore is the one seed, 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.560 got knocked out. The a f C Championship was played 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.560 at Arrowhead Stadium, and that win, that one win by 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:19.560 Matt Moore was very instrumental in the Kansas Chiefs ending 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:21.920 up winning the whole thing. I think someone an insider 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.199 in box last week pointed out how one of the 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.239 common thoughts are on a fifty three man roster, your 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.920 backup quarterback is one of the top thirty most important positions, 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:32.840 and there is something to be said for that and 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:35.960 being able to win a game here there if you know, 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:37.320 all the chips are down and you have to be 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.160 able to find a way into the playoffs. That's that's 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.320 one benefit to this move, and it's one benefit to 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.800 where the Packers sit unequivocally, Mike, you know, going back 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:48.720 to basically when Rogers was a rookie and in his 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.560 second year, this is the most depth now, the most 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:53.720 talent the Packers have because I know they're still very 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.600 confident in in Tim Boyle in the development process he's 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:58.720 been on the last two years. And Boyle is going 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.280 to push Jordan's love for that number two job this 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:05.320 later this summer. So these are the types of considerations 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.400