1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted Social 2 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: distancing Style from Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffor, 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: joined as always by the one and only Wes Hodkuwitz. 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: We're coming to you from our humble abodes as we 5 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: have for the last several weeks in West I Hope 6 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: you had a good weekend, sir. It was certainly a 7 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: turn for the better with the weather up here in 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: northeast Wisconsin. Yeah, it was a fun weekend, Mike. I mean, 9 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: you know, we got a chance to go outside. We 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: actually did a little bit of We got a swing 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: set out there that has like one of those maybe 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: you had one of these when when the kids were young, 13 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: But it has like the slide and then the little 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: shoot for like a pirate ship that you can like 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: shoot out water. So like you, I hooked that up 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: and then it was going down into this little mini 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: pool and my son was having a good time with that. 18 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: I got a chance to get on the grill a 19 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: little bit, did some yardwork. Uh, slowly but surely. I 20 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: the house is gonna be it as good as a 21 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: condition it's ever been at the time this thing is 22 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: all said and done, so we were able to stay 23 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: busy and fortunately for a couple of days after a 24 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: busy weekend last week, step away from the office a 25 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 1: little bit, which is again above my garage. Yeah. Absolutely, Well, 26 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: for now, we are a full week removed from the 27 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: two thousand twenty NFL Draft, and I wanted to do 28 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: one more show here in a little bit of a 29 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: review of the draft class. But we're gonna do it 30 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: in uh sort of Q and A style. And I 31 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: haven't even given you this in advance because the show 32 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: is truly unscripted. But I have a series of questions 33 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: that I'm gonna throw at you West with regards to 34 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: some of your thoughts about the draft class. You can 35 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: give your answer, I'll give my answer. We'll go back 36 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: and forth a little bit and see how this goes. So, 37 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: and some of these questions are some of the same 38 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: ones we've been getting an insider inbox and whatnot, so 39 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,279 Speaker 1: the fans helped to generate some of these soap. Question 40 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: Number one, which Packers draft pick do you feel will 41 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: make the biggest impact as a rookie. I'm gonna go 42 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: with A J. Dillon on this one, just because one 43 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: running backs traditionally have been a position where a guy 44 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: can step in and make an impact right away. I mean, 45 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: just look at what Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams did 46 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: going back in two thousand seventeen. Uh certainly Eddie Lacey 47 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: Offensive Rookie of the the Year in two thousand and thirteen. 48 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: So there is that out the outside chance. So I 49 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: don't think I'm going on on that far of a limb. 50 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: But what I really like about him is that even 51 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: if he's not touching the ball two hundred three hundred 52 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: times as a rookie situationally I think he's gonna be 53 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: a really interesting weapon because, as we saw last year, 54 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: Matt Lafloor likes this idea of using multiple running backs 55 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: on the field at the same time, and the Packers 56 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: did have a fair amount of success with it last year. 57 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: Now you put in a tune or in forty seven 58 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: pound running back into that equation, you can motion out 59 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: with Jamal Williams and Aaron Jones, you can do different 60 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: things to create off of that. And for that reason, 61 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: whether it's short yardage production or just overall finding a 62 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: way to get this guy in the offense, I think 63 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: a J. Dillon, assuming as Matt Lafleur said, he earns 64 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: his spot, he earns his keeping, he earns the reps. 65 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: The the offense is laid out for this guy to 66 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: make an impact in year one. I would agree with you. 67 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: My answer to the question also would be a j. Dillon. 68 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: But to pick a second response be real easy to 69 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: say Josiah Deguara because of how excited we know Matt 70 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: Lafleur is to get a versatile piece like that into 71 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: his offense and all the different places he can line up. 72 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna pivot a little bit and actually go 73 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: with Kamal Martin, the fifth throne draft pick out of Minnesota. Now, 74 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: I say that as far as rookie impact, not so much, 75 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: because I think he's gonna be lining up for, you know, 76 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: fifty snaps a game next to Christian Kersey. I do 77 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: see him in that competition with Ty Summers or in 78 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: Burke's Curtis Bolton for who's going to play the majority 79 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: of those snaps next to Christian Kurtsey. So he's going 80 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: to have that opportunity. But I see Martin as a 81 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: guy who could step in and be playing on all 82 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: four of the special teams units. He could be a 83 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: real impact guy on the return and the coverage. I 84 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: think this is a guy that, even if he doesn't 85 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: necessarily find um that role on defense right away as 86 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: a rookie, that this guy you're going to see on 87 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: the field because I think he's gonna be a potential 88 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: core special teamer. Yeah. I made this point an insider 89 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: in box last week. I thought it was a salient one. 90 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: Not necessarily was a great genius moment by me, but 91 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: just in terms of where this defense is and what 92 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: they want to accomplish in two thousand twenty. The last 93 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: two years, and it's mostly been just because of injuries 94 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: to or in Burks, but in that last week of 95 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: training camp or in last year's case, after the final cuts, 96 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: the Packers have had to go out and get veteran 97 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: help at inside linebacker. Two years ago it was Antonio Morrison, 98 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: last year it was b J. Goodson. I think the 99 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: hope is the Packers have enough in house candidates this 100 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: year that, Okay, if something happens, whether it's Burkes or 101 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: whether it's Martin ty Summers, Curtis Bolton, you have enough 102 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: there that you can go with the guys that you've 103 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: been prepping for the season instead of having to make 104 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: an abrupt shift and then bringing Morrison and Goodson into 105 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: the offense late. That I think is a strength. The 106 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: question is is how much the Packers want to play 107 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: traditional nickel And that answer we're not gonna get for months, 108 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: probably because Abrahem Campbell's gone now he went and signed 109 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: to believe it was with Tennessee. Right, he's moved on 110 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: to his next spot. You still have Raven Green there, 111 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: who was the guy that was slated to be in 112 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: the hybrid role last year before his injury. And then 113 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: now there'll be a new incoming of safeties that could 114 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: potentially factor into that. But at the end of the day, 115 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: there's a reason why the Packers drafted or In Berkes, 116 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: is a reason why now they drafted Kamal Martin. They 117 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: want to be able to get their inside linebackers on 118 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: the field should they earn the reps. That's gonna be 119 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: a really intriguing battle to watch whenever we're able to 120 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: watch it. Yeah, alright, Well, question number two. A lot 121 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: of talk in this Packers draft has been about what 122 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: the Packers did not get. So I am going to 123 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: ask you because you and I were surprised at how 124 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: this went. We did a lot of preview as two 125 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: different directions we thought the Packers would go. So from 126 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: your point of view, what's your biggest regret that the 127 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: Packers did not accomplish with this draft? Okay, So this 128 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: is where I think every Packer fan out there is 129 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: gonna say, well, this is where he obviously says receiver, right. 130 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the regret it seems like all 131 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: Packer fans have had. But I mean, if you go 132 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: off the track record this the Packers just haven't put 133 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: first round capital into a receiver. And and if they 134 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: weren't going to take one of the first, second, or 135 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: third rounds, I really had no issue whatsoever with them 136 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: not taking in drafting that position. We've been down that road, 137 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: and Mike, honestly, even if you find a nice prospect there, 138 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna take time for them develop. It's very difficult 139 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: for those players to come in and just knock the 140 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: doors down. Donald Driver needed three seasons before he became 141 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,799 Speaker 1: a factor in the Packers offense. So in that regard, 142 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna shift the focus more towards defensive line. And 143 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: the reason I say that is one for seven straight years. 144 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: The Packers drafted at least one defensive linemen in all 145 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: of these drafts. And and certainly they did get a 146 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: prospect out of Miami that does have defensive end credentials, 147 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: but it's gonna play edge rusher. The Packers didn't get 148 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: a defensive tackle, though, and I thought that was one area. 149 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: It's the reason I had them picking Ross Blacklock. I 150 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: thought that was one area where they could potentially help 151 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: not only deepen the defensive line room, but maybe also 152 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: find a three tech that could take some of the 153 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: snaps off of Kenny Clark. Now, Kenny's only twenty four, 154 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: He's at the peak of his powers right now, and 155 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: he's only getting better. But the Packers have been playing 156 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: him about snaps here the past few seasons. So I 157 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: said it you can flash back the old unscripted episodes. 158 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: I kind of wondered whether or not they would find 159 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: a defensive tackle that could help take some of the 160 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: reps off of him, you know, also maybe take some 161 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: reps off Dean Lowry. And while they did go out 162 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: and signed Trevon Hester now who has been in the 163 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: league for three years with three different teams, they haven't 164 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: really found a guy that I thought could just slide 165 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: right in there with them. So all things considered, uh, 166 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: that that was where I thought maybe this, you know, 167 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: going off the track record of the defensive line position 168 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: and also you know, potentially in need there, I thought 169 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: they would have brought someone in. Yeah, I am totally 170 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: with you. If I were to labeled my big to 171 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: regret as far as what the Packers did not address 172 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: in this draft, I would not say receiver. For me, 173 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: it's defensive line. I talked for several weeks leading up 174 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: to it, even when we went to the combine, before 175 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: we went to the combine, about how, boy, if the 176 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: Packers could find the next Kenny Clark at the end 177 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: of the first round, you extend Clark, then you have 178 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: these two guys there in the middle of the defensive 179 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: line that can be paired together, you know, for several 180 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: years to come here. I really thought that was something 181 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: that the Packers could set themselves up for the future 182 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: as far as the core of that defense. Just to 183 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: to give a second response to the question, I'm gonna 184 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: say this with a little bit of a qualifier. My 185 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: regret would be that it doesn't look like the Packers 186 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: drafted an offensive tackle of the future. When you have 187 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: David Bactieri going into a contract year, his his extension, 188 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: potential resigning is going to be very expensive. We know that. 189 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: But he certainly has um a lot of a gas 190 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: left in the tank. So to speak. Rick Wagner, your 191 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: new signing at right tackle, he's the same age as 192 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: Ryan Bulaga. This is not a long term solution. I 193 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: think everybody knows that now. The qualifier I say is 194 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: that if John Runyan Jr. Whom the Packers selected in 195 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: the sixth round, if he ends up becoming that offensive 196 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: tackle of the future, then I'll retract what I say. 197 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: But everything we're hearing so far is that the Packers 198 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: are looking at Runyon as a guard, not as a tackle. 199 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: So I just think that's a that's a position for 200 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: the future down the line that that you're gonna be 201 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna be looking at as a need. And with 202 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: where the Packers are right now, with box tr and 203 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: Wagner not having that guy necessarily in the pipeline right now, 204 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a regret for me. Well yeah, 205 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: and there's gonna be questions there when you get into 206 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: the third day about what the upside is of some 207 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: of these guys. Sometimes they come in, they don't make 208 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: an impact, and they leave. Sometimes they turn into Corey 209 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: Linsley or a Rick Wagner who was a sixth round 210 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: pick for the Baltimore Ravens, you know, six seven years ago. 211 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: So that that there's always a coin flip situation there. 212 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,719 Speaker 1: You never know what you're gonna get, so you I'm 213 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: trying to keep the expectations modest, but I do think 214 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: on Runyan Jr. Was a good pick up for the 215 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: Packers and in in a spoil little spoiler alert for 216 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: a spretory that's coming, I had a chance to talk 217 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: with both John Junior and John Senior last week, and 218 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: it was really interesting listen to John Senior talk about 219 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,239 Speaker 1: his son, because he thinks he does have the flexibility 220 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: still to play at tackle. If they want to make guard, 221 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: he'll play at guard. But there are so many parallels 222 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: between the way that John Senior entered the league as 223 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: a fourth round pick in you know what's happening now 224 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: with his son as a sixth round pick. These guys 225 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: aren't just like bona fide blue Chippers that everyone's just 226 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: expecting to start to a step starting lineup. But there 227 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: is a lot of athleticism there with John Jr. That 228 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: he could potentially give you that flexibility if the Packers 229 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: are patient and they're able to develop him. From that perspective, 230 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: this is a guy that did think he was going 231 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: to be playing center. Originally when he went to Michigan, 232 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: he thought he was gonna be an interior offensive lineman, 233 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: but opportunity dictated him getting a spot at right tackle 234 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: at the end of his sophomore year and then starting 235 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: at left tackle his final two years. That's where this 236 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: whole dominos took him. So coming into the league, he's 237 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: very open minded of where he's gonna play and where 238 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: he could potentially fit. He just wants to get a 239 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 1: spot on a fifty three and he wants to have 240 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: an opportunity to play in the National Football League. Yeah, 241 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: and I'll just say this, and it's sort of we're 242 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: sort of covering my next question, which was going to 243 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: be who's the most intriguing of the sixth round offensive 244 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: lineman to you just on the surface as we're barely 245 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: getting to know these guys, and when you talk about, 246 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, running in the whole tackle and guard thing, 247 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: It's interesting to me with Jake Hansen from Oregon, you know, 248 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: with his possibilities at center and at guard, and what 249 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: intrigues me about him potentially moving forward is this is 250 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: the guy who started forty nine college games at Oregon 251 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: in the Pack twelve. This is a this is a 252 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: four year starter from start to finish in his career. 253 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: You know, when you when you have that kind of 254 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: experience playing at that high level of college football for 255 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: that long, it's just hard for me to to see 256 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: him not somehow finding his way um into a into 257 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: a prominent role in this Packers offensive line at some 258 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: point in the future wherever that maybe. So um to 259 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: answer the third question as far as the sixth round 260 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: offensive lineman, your answers running and my answer is Hanson. 261 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: So with that, we're gonna move on to my next question, 262 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: and I think we'll wrap up with this one. Okay, 263 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: in the Aaron Rodgers era, and obviously we don't exactly 264 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: know the length of that era at this point, and 265 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: we don't need to get into that discussion right now, 266 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: But in the Aaron Rodgers era, which of these draft 267 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: picks has to make the biggest contribution for the Packers 268 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: to win another Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback. Oh, 269 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: that's a good question, Michael, That's a really good question. 270 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: I would probably lean towards saying a J. Dillon just 271 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: because there are the questions there with Aaron Jones and 272 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 1: Jamal Williams. They're both free agents after this season, So 273 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: you need a J. Dillon regardless of happens with those 274 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: contracts and how long Jones and Williams will be in 275 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: Green Bay. You you're getting Dylan to set up the 276 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: future here with him under contract for the next four years. 277 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: But I will say, and I'm not de meaning to 278 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: take probably the two most obvious answers off the board 279 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: for you, But Josiah Deguire is an interesting one because 280 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: this is a shift with the offense. Uh, this is 281 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: a move tight end. This is a guy that's gonna 282 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: play multiple positions. So if Josiah Deguara is successful, if 283 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: he turns out to be a real gem there in 284 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: the third round, there is a possibility that that also 285 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: is indicative of the success that they're gonna have underneath 286 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur in the transition that they're making with the 287 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: offensive scheme. As I've said, numerous times now between Insider 288 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: inbox and on this space here on on the scripted. 289 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: This isn't your spread them out four receiver, five receiver 290 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: offense anymore. It's a lot more internal. It's it's more multiple, 291 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: it's it's more tight end and running back base. That's 292 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: where they've devoted their resources and that's where the packers 293 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: are looking to get production. So if Josiah Deguara is successful, 294 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: I know everyone mentions Kyle use Check. I think that's 295 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: somewhat unfair to Daguara because use Check is is a 296 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: traditional fullback that gets used in different ways. I think 297 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: Deguire is going to be more of a Swiss Army 298 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: knife in that regard. And if he turns out to 299 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: be a guy that can play move, tight end neclay 300 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: h back that can split out wide, he becomes a 301 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: real problem for secondaries and how they want to defend 302 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: not only him, but the packages that he's incorporated into. Yeah. Well, 303 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: my initial reaction, my first response to this question off 304 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: the top of my head was definitely A j. Dillon. 305 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: And I say that because just because after this year, 306 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: I don't see both Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams both 307 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: coming back to the Packers on second contracts. It just 308 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: doesn't seem, you know, financially, salary cap wise, that that's 309 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: going to be realistic. And so I see a J. 310 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: Dillon not only this year, but then certainly starting in one, 311 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: having potentially and even more prominent role in the offense. 312 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna throw another one at you, just just 313 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: to paint a particular scenario for you to answer this 314 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: question in a in a way to get people thinking 315 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: just a little bit. I think the Packers best chance 316 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: to get to another super Bowl in the Aaron Rodgers 317 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: era is to get the number one seed in the 318 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: NFC and to have the entire path to the Super 319 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: Bowl go through lambeau Field. Yeah that being said, Okay, 320 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: I think Jordan's Love is going to hit a moment 321 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: somewhere here in the Aaron Rodgers era where maybe Rogers 322 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: tweaks a hamstring, pulls a calf muscle again, like he 323 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: did something like that that keeps him out for a 324 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: week or two, and Jordan's Love winning a game or 325 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: two could be the difference between the Packers being a 326 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: two or three seed in the NFC and being the 327 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: one seed and having that NFC Championship game potentially go 328 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: through lambeau Field to get the Packers to a super Bowl. 329 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: I just I throw that out there as a scenario 330 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: to say that Jordan's love could definitely play a significant 331 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: role in the Packers winning a Super Bowl getting to 332 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: another super Bowl in the Aaron Rodgers era. So just 333 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: I'll toss I'll toss that one out there. Yeah, I 334 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: like that. I think that is a very thoughtful and 335 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, really diplomatic way to think about it. Because 336 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: here's thing. You go back to the Patriots over the 337 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: last five years. You know, whether it was Jacoby Brissette 338 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: or Jimmy Garoppolo, both of those quarterbacks who were second, 339 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: i believe third round picks, they won meaningful games for 340 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: the Patriots that did have implications for them later on 341 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: in the season, and then obviously both ended up turning 342 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: into capital, whether it be a draft pick or a 343 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: trade like Brissette was to the to the Colts. So 344 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: it definitely makes sense. The thing I want to point 345 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: out because I know I've been one of the guys 346 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: that was saying you don't you don't need to draft 347 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: a quarterback yet that was my narrative going into the draft. 348 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: It's been my narrative the last few years, but now 349 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: that it's done. One thing that I think the Packers 350 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: have done really really well during the Aaron Rodgers era. 351 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: If you wanted to bring in a veteran backup at 352 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: the beginning of his time, I would have had no 353 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: issue with it. You want to have somebody that can 354 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: be there with them, no problem. Far've had Jim McMahon 355 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: and Steve Bono and all these other guys that were 356 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: with him. But now that you're at this latter half, 357 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: you know this this back nine, as he calls it, 358 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: of his career. It is good to have young talent 359 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: there to develop instead of going and just paying seven 360 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: million dollars for a backup quarterback that a probably isn't 361 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: gonna play and b there's been mixed results when those 362 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: guys have actually had to go in there. You have 363 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: a first round credential player now in Jordan's Love, and 364 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: certainly he's gonna need time to develop, but there's also 365 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: a different caliber of athlete, a different caliber of quarterback 366 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: if he is summoned into a game at some point, 367 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: and I think that is something that really could benefit here. 368 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: The Green Bay Packers in the next four or five seasons. Yeah, 369 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: and I'll just I'll just close on this when you 370 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: look at that scenario that I just laid out. Now, 371 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: obviously the Packers are going the young, developing quarterback as 372 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,239 Speaker 1: you said, for the backup route, but just look at 373 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: last year when the Kansas City Chiefs lost Patrick Mahomes 374 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: for a couple of games. Now, the Packers went to 375 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: Arrowhead and knocked them off on Sunday Night Football, but 376 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: the Chiefs the following week with Matt Moore at quarterback, 377 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: the veteran backup was the route they decided to go. 378 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: But them beating the Minnesota Vikings in that game that 379 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: propelled Kansas City to the number two seed in the 380 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: a f C, which then when Baltimore is the one seed, 381 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: got knocked out. The a f C Championship was played 382 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: at Arrowhead Stadium, and that win, that one win by 383 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: Matt Moore was very instrumental in the Kansas Chiefs ending 384 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: up winning the whole thing. I think someone an insider 385 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: in box last week pointed out how one of the 386 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,239 Speaker 1: common thoughts are on a fifty three man roster, your 387 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: backup quarterback is one of the top thirty most important positions, 388 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: and there is something to be said for that and 389 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: being able to win a game here there if you know, 390 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: all the chips are down and you have to be 391 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: able to find a way into the playoffs. That's that's 392 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: one benefit to this move, and it's one benefit to 393 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: where the Packers sit unequivocally, Mike, you know, going back 394 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: to basically when Rogers was a rookie and in his 395 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: second year, this is the most depth now, the most 396 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: talent the Packers have because I know they're still very 397 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: confident in in Tim Boyle in the development process he's 398 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: been on the last two years. And Boyle is going 399 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: to push Jordan's love for that number two job this 400 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: later this summer. So these are the types of considerations 401 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: you have to make. And I and I, as I've 402 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: said all along, I think Rogers is gonna be a 403 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: model mentor for that, having the experiences that he's worked 404 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: through and based on his track record with Boyle and 405 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: all these other developmental backups that have come through Green 406 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: Bay over the past fifteen years. All Right, Well, with that, 407 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: we will call it a rap on this edition of 408 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of our coverage 409 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: of the team. Lots of stories coming up. Follow up 410 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: stories on the draft picks going to be appearing on 411 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: Packers dot com in the coming days and weeks. For Wes, 412 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in. Everybody. We 413 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: will see you next time.