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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 2: Final hour on this Wednesday, we'll talk some hockey with

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Speaker 2: John Butcher Grosse, so the mother Ship and Robert or

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Speaker 2: Laker analysts will stop by as well. DraftKings odds. Your

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Speaker 2: clubhouse favorite right now to be the new Knicks head coach,

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Speaker 2: subject to change. Michael Malone, who was with the Nuggets,

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Speaker 2: and then followed by Johnny Bryant assistant head coach with

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Speaker 2: the Cavaliers, Jay Wrights on the list, Mike Budenholzer, Rick Brunson,

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Speaker 2: Jalen Bruns's dad, Many Williams.

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Speaker 3: You also have John Caliperi.

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Speaker 2: These are long shots here, John Keller, Perry, Dan Hurley,

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Speaker 2: Jeff Van Gundy. I threw out Rick Pattino because Rick

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Speaker 2: would be up for the challenge. He certainly seemed very

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Speaker 2: energetic with Saint John's this year, but that's a whole

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Speaker 2: lot longer season with the NBA eight seven seven three

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Speaker 2: DP show email address DP at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter

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Speaker 2: handle at DP show. Poll question for the final hour

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Speaker 2: of the pro is going to be what seeden we

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Speaker 2: got two up there right now? The Knicks are nuts

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Speaker 2: or a gutsy right now? Eighty seven percent of the

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Speaker 2: audience think they're nuts, and.

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Speaker 4: We also put up there this decision by the Knicks

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Speaker 4: will be legendary or cost people jobs. Ninety two percent

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Speaker 4: of the audience say people are getting.

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Speaker 5: Fired over this.

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Speaker 2: I would like to see the front office get in

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Speaker 2: front of a microphone and just explain what they did.

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Speaker 2: I think that Nick fans are owed that. I also

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Speaker 2: think that well, Tom Thibodeau was probably told why he

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Speaker 2: was being fired. I'm going to guess, but I think

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Speaker 2: Nick fans deserve answers like why are you moving on

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Speaker 2: from a coach who had felt like overachieved or help

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Speaker 2: you overachieve to get to the Eastern Conference finals and

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Speaker 2: maybe that maybe that happens when their next head coach

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Speaker 2: is sworn in. But I think the media should be

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Speaker 2: able to ask the front office. Maybe not ownership because

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Speaker 2: Jim Nolan Jim Dolan's not going to get in front

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Speaker 2: of a microphone, but Leon Rose, who runs the team,

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Speaker 2: their president of basketball operations, should be there talking to

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Speaker 2: the media.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it is interesting to think that they knew they

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Speaker 4: were going to fire him even before the playoffs started,

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Speaker 4: and the more he just kept going and all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden, teams are like, oh god, we're never going

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Speaker 4: to be able to fire this guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because when you think about it, you're like, we're

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Speaker 2: not going to get by Boston, right, or we won't

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Speaker 2: get by Cleveland way, and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: you get by Boston and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: Cleveland is injured, and now you're playing Indiana and you're like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, we could get to the NBA finals

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Speaker 2: and we may not still want him as our head coach,

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Speaker 2: all right, eight seven to seven three, DP show email

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Speaker 2: address DP at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle.

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Speaker 3: At DP show.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned this to start the show, that John Buchigras,

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Speaker 2: who was I was a teammate of at the Mothership,

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Speaker 2: calling for Don Cherry and Barry Melrose to be elected

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Speaker 2: to the Hockey Hall of Fame when we found out

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Speaker 2: that Barry was diagnosed with Parkinson's. I said that on

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Speaker 2: the show that let's wave whatever you need to wave,

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Speaker 2: you know, put him in while he could still be

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Speaker 2: able to go and enjoy the moment with his family,

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Speaker 2: have a speech there. I didn't realize Don Cherry was

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Speaker 2: not in the Hockey Hall of Fame, and he was

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Speaker 2: hockey certainly Hockey Night in Canada. But Johnny Butcher Grosz

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Speaker 2: my hockey guy joining us now, Butch, good to talk

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Speaker 2: to you. Thank you for us saying what you said.

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Speaker 2: Obviously it has more weight when you say it in

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Speaker 2: the hockey community. But what would be the hold up

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Speaker 2: to put both of these men in the Hockey Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame?

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Speaker 6: Well, just adding a sentence to the criteria, Dan, right now,

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Speaker 6: the criteria there's a category for sports writers and for

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Speaker 6: play by play guys.

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Speaker 5: And that's it.

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Speaker 3: And that was my point.

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Speaker 6: You could change this with eleven words or less, play

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Speaker 6: by play or analyst, whatever word you want to use.

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Speaker 6: And obviously Don Cherry and Barry Melrose for thirty years

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Speaker 6: were the biggest names in their countries in terms of broadcasters.

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Speaker 6: You know, Don Cherry was certainly John Madden, he was

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Speaker 6: that kind of a level. And Barry I get emails

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Speaker 6: all the time. I grew up with the game in

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Speaker 6: America with Barry Melrose, and both of them went from

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Speaker 6: junior hockey to professional hockey, to coaching to broadcasting. Literally

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Speaker 6: gave their life to the game and to the sport.

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Speaker 6: And it seems just an easy sentence to get people

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Speaker 6: like that or even great hosts like Aron McLain from

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Speaker 6: American analysts and broadcasters, you know Adie Olchuk and and

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Speaker 6: you know Ray Ferraro, there's there's no place for them.

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Speaker 2: And it seems like an easy ad. Yeah, I just

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Speaker 2: think contributions to the game. Other sports have that. Pro

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Speaker 2: football has contributions to the game, and and maybe you

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Speaker 2: could put it under that umbrella.

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Speaker 3: But I agree, how is Barry going?

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Speaker 6: You know, you don't get better from Parkinson's dan, you know,

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Speaker 6: thankfully some people are curative cancer, but you don't get

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Speaker 6: cured of als or Parkinson's or dementia. So he's living

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Speaker 6: in Oxford, Ohio. That's where he met his wife, Cindy,

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Speaker 6: when he turned pro and played for the Cincinnati Stingers.

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Speaker 6: in Oxford, rural Oxford, where Miami University is located, and

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Speaker 6: is still there. It's difficult, but Barry's watching the games.

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Speaker 6: I texted Cindy Melrose yesterday and said, can you get

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Speaker 6: me a Bery prediction for the finals. And of course,

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Speaker 6: in true Barry fashion, every year it was somebody in six.

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Speaker 6: He never said five, never said seven. So Barry's got

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Speaker 6: the oilers in six, man, what do you have? I

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Speaker 6: have the oilers in seven, thinking. I'm sure they're thinking.

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Speaker 6: We fell to this team three to zero last year

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Speaker 6: and almost won four games in a row. We're better

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Speaker 6: this year. We have home ice this year, We're gonna

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Speaker 6: treat one game one tonight like game seven, because you

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Speaker 6: want to play ahead. You don't want to be down

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Speaker 6: they're probably they're the underdog by a smidch, but they

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Speaker 6: have the greatest player of their generation. They have another

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Speaker 6: great Hall of Famer to be in Leon dry Sidle.

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Speaker 6: They have a little more death. The Zach Hyman injury hurts,

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Speaker 6: but overall they're so good on home ice, they have

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Speaker 6: die year. Dry Settle gets a five million dollar raise,

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Speaker 3: Next year.

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Speaker 6: Mcdavi's gonna need about an eight million dollar raise after

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Speaker 6: next year he's a UFA. This will be the summer

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Speaker 6: of his extension. So they sense that, I think, And

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Speaker 6: that's why, even though Florida is the best complete team,

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Speaker 2: Then, But also you're carrying the country too. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's a long long time and I don't think we

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Speaker 2: rooting for Edmonton, I'm sure, as in other provinces, but

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Speaker 3: The last time they won.

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Speaker 6: It, Barry Melrose was the other coach to bring it

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Speaker 6: back to Barring nineteen ninety three. So you're right, that's

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Speaker 6: it's not quite Toronto or Montreal doing it because obviously

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Speaker 6: feel it more like the Cubs Red Sox ending their droughts.

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Speaker 6: But still I think Canada would come together. McDavid scored

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Speaker 6: have been an amazing year for USA Hockey. World Junior

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Speaker 6: so that was a big moment for McDavid to win that.

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Speaker 6: That was his first best on best, so he hasn't

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Speaker 6: he was like sixteen, the guy, you know, it's just

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Speaker 6: going back to June for the eerie otters, so it's

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Speaker 6: time for.

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Speaker 5: Him to win.

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Speaker 6: You look at every great iconic NHL player, Dan I

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Speaker 6: looked at the top twenty scores last night. Only three

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Speaker 6: These guys are all great players, but not quite that

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Speaker 6: got their cup. It doesn't it's not there's no or

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Speaker 6: twenty nine, and it's only going to get harder, like

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Speaker 6: I said at Edmonton, So there is a bit of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I was going to bring that up that

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Speaker 2: in the NBA and other sports, certainly quarterbacks, when are

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Speaker 2: certain point like Luka Doncic he's there, Yeah, Joker was there,

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Speaker 2: Jason Tatum won a title. Once you win the title,

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Speaker 2: then we move on to the next guy. It's like, right,

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Speaker 2: Colin Montgomery, you know, the best player to never win

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Speaker 2: a major. Yeah, you know, keep waiting for these guys.

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Speaker 2: And then I wondered with you know, everybody says Conor

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Speaker 2: McDavid's best player in the world, Well, the best players

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Speaker 2: in the world win championships.

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Speaker 6: Exactly, and he might go down as the greatest talent ever.

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Speaker 6: And so that again, it just doesn't happen in the

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Speaker 3: So it's something to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 2: John Butcher graz ESPN Hockey play by play and host

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Speaker 2: a sports center anchor.

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Speaker 3: You've been there since what ninety six?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, October twenty eighth, nineteen ninety six. We did one

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Speaker 6: I do. It was a six o'clock sports center. I

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Speaker 6: was probably nervous doing three sports centers in my life.

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Speaker 6: My first, which was was Stuart Scott Grammy Night, nineteen

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Speaker 6: music's kind of cool.

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Speaker 5: It fall.

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Speaker 6: It fell on that date, and I did a six

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Speaker 6: o'clock with you, and I can't even think of the

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Speaker 6: third time.

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Speaker 3: I was nervous, but that was a big deal to me.

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Speaker 3: I told this story.

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Speaker 2: You were there playing basketball with us, Yes, when we

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Speaker 6: My buddy goodie watching high school basketball teammate loves Stan Patrick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm like, great, I'm good with that.

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Speaker 5: Yes, he used to come in to two of the.

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Speaker 2: Robert Dorry, sure with Dan we have two of them

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Speaker 2: up there right now. The Knicks are gutsier nuts Right now,

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Speaker 2: And even worse than that, this decision the Knicks will

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I still think now.

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Speaker 2: Vincent Goodwill, who covers the sport for ya who's sports,

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Speaker 2: from this is, you know, you beat a Celtic, you

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Speaker 11: Hey guys, thanks for taking my call first time, long

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Speaker 11: time back to the dib In show Killer Days. So,

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Speaker 11: dan say's my birthday and I surely share it with Angelina,

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Speaker 11: Joe Leek and Russell brand same day, same month, same year.

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Speaker 11: want to learn about seventies and eighty sports teams.

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Speaker 3: All right? Fair enough?

437
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Speaker 2: How about a birthday shout out to Jeremy and Angelina,

438
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Speaker 2: jolee Oh, and Russell Brant. Let's bring back Robert or

439
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 2: let's see if that connection is a little bit better.

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: Your reaction when you heard that the Knicks had fired

442
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Speaker 2: Tom Thibodeau.

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Speaker 12: I was shot because if you look at what Tom

444
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 12: Thibodau that has done for that team, getting them back

445
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 12: to the Eastern Conference finals, having a lot of things

446
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 12: that go on with that team, and for them to

447
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Speaker 12: fire him and such a might have to get into

448
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 12: the East company, I was. I was just shocked because

449
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Speaker 12: if you really think about it, and if you look

450
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Speaker 12: at the rossa of the Knicks, they overachieved. To me,

451
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,719
Speaker 12: you know, they they were overachieved. They got a lot

452
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Speaker 12: of guys that role players playing very well in Thibodau's system.

453
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Speaker 12: So I think that's one of the things you have

454
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Speaker 12: to look at. And sometimes people get confused. So we

455
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Speaker 12: just beat the NBA champions, Yeah, you beat them, but

456
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 12: you still got other teams that can play. And the Pacers,

457
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Speaker 12: let's be honest, they've coached very well and they've played

458
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Speaker 12: better than anybody. So I think they should have ran

459
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Speaker 12: it back. But it's gonna be hard to find someone

460
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Speaker 12: to come in and and and step in his shoes.

461
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Speaker 3: Though, Do you have to like your head coach.

462
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Speaker 5: I've never liked any of my head coach.

463
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Speaker 12: No. Actually, you know, it's so weird that a lot

464
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Speaker 12: of people think you have to like your head coaches.

465
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Speaker 12: I said, as long as the coach is doing a

466
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Speaker 12: good job, I don't think you have to like him,

467
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Speaker 12: but I think that has to have some type of

468
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Speaker 12: respect there. And if they player at the coach doesn't

469
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Speaker 12: respect the players, I don't think the players are gonna

470
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Speaker 12: respect the coach. And I think with this day and age,

471
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Speaker 12: the way players and coaches communicate, you know, you should

472
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Speaker 12: step up and and have that opportunity to say, yo, coach,

473
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Speaker 12: I don't you know.

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Speaker 5: This is how I feel about certain situations.

475
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Speaker 12: And I don't know anything about any of those players

476
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Speaker 12: that they had. I don't know if anybody has the

477
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Speaker 12: you know, the man, I won't say the balls to

478
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Speaker 12: step in and say, yo, tip, you know we're playing

479
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 12: too many minutes of this and if tims will listening.

480
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Speaker 12: But I think it most of the time, I make

481
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Speaker 12: all that fall on the assistant coaches, because assistant coaches

482
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Speaker 12: are the ones that need to step in and grab

483
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Speaker 12: the head coach by the ear and make them listen

484
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Speaker 12: to them, because the assistant coaches are closer to the

485
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Speaker 12: players than the coaches to the players.

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Speaker 3: Did you like Phil Jackson?

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Speaker 5: I love Phil Jackson. I loved I actually loved all

488
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Speaker 5: my coaches. Love I love Rudy first, then up and

489
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Speaker 5: Field was second.

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Speaker 3: But Pop likes to yell at yeah. Yeah.

491
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Speaker 5: So here's a funny story about Pop never yelled at me.

492
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Speaker 12: He yelled at me once and everybody looked at him

493
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Speaker 12: and he was like, oh, I'm not supposed to yell

494
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Speaker 12: at Rober Okay.

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Speaker 5: I forgot.

496
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Speaker 3: Why is he not allowed to yell at you?

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Speaker 12: For some odd reason, there was a rumor going around

498
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Speaker 12: that you cannot yell at me. You yell at me,

499
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Speaker 12: you lose me, which is not true because you got

500
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Speaker 12: to think about my high school coach was a yeller.

501
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Speaker 12: Sanderson was definitely a yelling and so I'm like, I

502
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Speaker 12: don't mind yelling. I might tune you out, but you

503
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Speaker 12: can yell at me.

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Speaker 3: You never wanted to fight a coach, though.

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Speaker 12: No, you know that's my that's my former college teammates

506
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Speaker 12: s free Well. I never did anything that you know.

507
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Speaker 12: You know, here's the thing about you know, in coaches,

508
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Speaker 12: I think I've always been you ever get into it? No, man,

509
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 12: you know, I'm the greatest guy ever.

510
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Speaker 5: Man. Everybody loves me. Man, teammate, I think about this.

511
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Speaker 12: I sacrificed more than any player in the world for

512
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Speaker 12: his team to win, even in college un let spreeing Jane.

513
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Speaker 12: You know I got to you know, I got to

514
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Speaker 12: the Rockets. I let Dream do his thing and get

515
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Speaker 12: to the Lakers. Koche shot. Do you a thing I

516
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Speaker 12: sacrificed for you, guys, because at the end of the day,

517
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Speaker 12: it's about winning.

518
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Speaker 5: It's about winning.

519
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Speaker 2: How many plays were run specifically for you in your career.

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Speaker 5: I only had plays run for me when I was

521
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Speaker 5: with the Rockets.

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Speaker 12: Once I got to you know, I think it was

523
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Speaker 12: one time when I was in the Lakers uniform I

524
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Speaker 12: had plays ran from that was when I set a

525
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Speaker 12: record for most threes made consectly in the game and

526
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Speaker 12: I was hot, so he rans some plays for me

527
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Speaker 12: then and I was ran by I think Dale Harris

528
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Speaker 12: was the coach.

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Speaker 5: Then maybe yeah, that's the only time in the last time.

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Speaker 12: You know, Pop never ran plays for me, even when

531
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Speaker 12: I was hot in two thousand and five in that finals,

532
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Speaker 12: he didn't run place with me. Then I'm like, hey,

533
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 12: because I'm you know, I'm the Uther sacrifice man. You know,

534
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 12: the most important thing is winning, and I never cared

535
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Speaker 12: about my stats it's about getting.

536
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Speaker 2: That dub how upset was a team. When David Robinson

537
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Speaker 2: won the league MVP, he was.

538
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Speaker 12: Beyond upset, you know. And it's weird because he was

539
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 12: not a big talker. And when he said that's my trophy,

540
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 12: you know, back then, and he came out and pulled

541
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Speaker 12: out some moves on David Robinson I'd never seen before.

542
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Speaker 3: It was amazing, that dream shake.

543
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Speaker 2: You know.

544
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Speaker 12: You think about the footwork and his ability to get

545
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Speaker 12: guys to be in a popcorn machine and get them

546
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Speaker 12: off their feet. He was just fantastic man. You know,

547
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Speaker 12: one of the greatest players I ever played with.

548
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Speaker 3: Didn't he smack Vernon Maxwell? Did he smack Vernon?

549
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Speaker 5: Do you know that happened a year before I got out?

550
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Speaker 12: Okay, you know, I'm that calm that comes in and

551
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 12: calms everybody down, so there's no smacking of people.

552
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Speaker 3: Then would Kobe be able to play?

553
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Speaker 2: And obviously with the talent, but you know, he was

554
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Speaker 2: kind of a bully like you had, like Michael Jordan,

555
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: like you got to keep up with me.

556
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Speaker 3: Would that work in today's NBA with these players?

557
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Speaker 12: I think it would because you think about it. If

558
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 12: you come to a team and this is how it's done.

559
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Speaker 12: You kind of fall into that mold culture. You know,

560
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 12: you might have a couple of guys that might not

561
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 12: fall in line, but if you winning, you know, that's

562
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 12: the bottom line, you know. And you think about you

563
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 12: look at all the cultures that you have that are

564
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 12: created on each team. You think about the OKC culture,

565
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 12: how they're like, oh, we're gonna have each other's back regardless.

566
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 12: You think about the Indiana's culture, we're gonna play team

567
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 12: nobody's bigger than the ABC A D. And you think

568
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 12: about the culture in New York or so this is

569
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Speaker 12: it's only these six guys are going to play and

570
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Speaker 12: that's it. I think you become you adapt to it.

571
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Speaker 12: And I think a lot of guys when you come

572
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Speaker 12: into organization that let you be a little bit more free,

573
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Speaker 12: that's when you're not able to adapt because this is

574
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Speaker 12: all you know. You have blinders on and say, oh

575
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Speaker 12: this is we didn't.

576
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Speaker 5: Do this here, we didn't do this there.

577
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Speaker 12: So I think they'd be fine, especially when you Kobe,

578
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 12: you know, he's a leader, he's gonna make you, you know,

579
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Speaker 12: follow fallow total.

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Speaker 5: I think he'd been fine.

581
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Speaker 3: You think he could have could have gotten a hundred

582
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Speaker 3: points in again.

583
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Speaker 12: No, No, I think eighty one was just stressing one

584
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Speaker 12: hundred points because it gets to a point where you know,

585
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Speaker 12: you gotta miss some size and guys get ye.

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Speaker 5: It's like yo, man, I know you scoring them, but

587
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 5: let me get some love too. But I don't.

588
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Speaker 12: I don't think you would have been if it went

589
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 12: into overtime. He probably could have.

590
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you don't want to interrupt his flow if

591
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Speaker 2: you if he's got like seventy something, you don't go, hey,

592
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Speaker 2: come on, how about I get a shot or something? What?

593
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Speaker 12: No, But after a while you think, if I'm the coach,

594
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 12: that's the historical thing that's about to happen.

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Speaker 5: Right, it ain't happening on my watch.

596
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Speaker 12: We're gonna triple team him as soon as he You're

597
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 12: gonna have some guy face guard him, don't let him care.

598
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 12: So you you know, think nobody ever wants to have

599
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Speaker 12: a historical mark like that selling it because you can

600
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Speaker 12: be in a trivia question, who was the head coach?

601
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Speaker 5: Yeah, allowed Kobe Bryant to have one hundred points? So yeah.

602
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Speaker 2: Robert Or, a Lakers analyst for Spectrum Sportsnet, seven time

603
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Speaker 2: NBA champ, All right, what would you do if you're

604
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Speaker 2: the Lakers in the off season. What's the one thing

605
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Speaker 2: that has to happen.

606
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Speaker 12: They of course, they got to get some size. I

607
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 12: think that's the biggest key. I gotta get some size.

608
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 12: And then they got to get you know, some people

609
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 12: behind that bench to grab JJ and say, Yo, this

610
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 12: ain't working. And I think a lot of times we

611
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 12: look at the head coach and we blame him for

612
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 12: some things, and we blame the players and things, but

613
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Speaker 12: I blame him. Always blame the assistant coaches because assistant

614
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 12: coaches need to have the coach's ear and they see

615
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 12: things that the head coach don't see sometimes and like, Yo,

616
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 12: this ain't working.

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Speaker 5: We need need to do this and that. And I

618
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 5: think that's the main key. You know.

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Speaker 12: I love the coaching staff that they have, but it's

620
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Speaker 12: JJ willing to, you know, listen to his staff and

621
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Speaker 12: trust his staff, because sometimes when you come in as

622
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 12: a new coach, you say, oh God, I.

623
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Speaker 5: Gotta do it my way. I gotta do it this

624
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Speaker 5: way because I'm the head coach. I need to do this.

625
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Speaker 12: And I think sometimes it takes a village, you know,

626
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 12: instead of you know, a guy saying, oh I need

627
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Speaker 12: to do this way because my head is on the line.

628
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but how should Luca take that? Hey, you're fat,

629
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: you're overweight. And people now say this openly as opposed

630
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: to maybe somebody said it to him privately.

631
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Speaker 3: And I don't know him, but I don't know.

632
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: I don't know what would motivate him because it feels

633
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: like people are embarrassing him by saying this.

634
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Speaker 12: Yeah, and it's so weird that people talk about his weight,

635
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 12: but yet he's still giving people thirty points. I don't

636
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 12: I tell people I don't care about his weight. You

637
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 12: need to get him in the gym and teach him

638
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 12: how to play defense. You know, that's the thing, because

639
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 12: you can give someone forty points, but if you're giving

640
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 12: up thirty five on the other end, those forty points

641
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 12: don't mean anything.

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Speaker 2: Wait, you think that you could make Luca a good

643
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: defensive player?

644
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 3: Yes, you can, you.

645
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 5: Know, because it's about wanting to.

646
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Speaker 12: You know, he's never had to because he's always had

647
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 12: people behind him near racist mistakes you think about now,

648
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Speaker 12: there was no ad, no center, nobody, racist mistakes in

649
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Speaker 12: LA He getting blown by you know, they getting layups. Yeah,

650
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 12: you know, if you watch stretches of games where Luca's

651
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 12: just stayed in front because he's a big body. He

652
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 12: the defenders that I mean, officer puts are bouncing off him.

653
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 12: Stay in front, and I think that is the key.

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Speaker 12: And I think also he needs to want to play

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Speaker 12: defense because so many times he.

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Speaker 5: Saves his energy for the offensive end.

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Speaker 12: I tell people all that if you can move your

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Speaker 12: feet and get past and blow by people, that means

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Speaker 12: you have some fast twitch muscles, you can move pretty fast.

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Speaker 12: So there's no reason you cannot play better defense on

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Speaker 12: the other end. It's just you just gotta want to,

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Speaker 12: and I don't think I think a lot of times

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Speaker 12: he doesn't want to.

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Speaker 5: He rather just point.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that means that you think Karl Anthony Towns could

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Speaker 2: be an adequate defender.

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Speaker 12: I think with Carl, you know, people always talk about

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Speaker 12: lucas in shape. You know, if you look at Carr

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Speaker 12: and I think he could get in better shape. You know,

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Speaker 12: he's very top heavy, and I think he could get

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Speaker 12: in better shape. And he can, you know, even though

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Speaker 12: he has some big dogs anywhere it's like what size

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Speaker 12: twenty one shoe, But I think he can move his

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Speaker 12: feet because if you watch him offense, he can move fast.

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Speaker 5: You just gotta want to.

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Speaker 12: And Carl Anthony's problem is his problem is he does

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Speaker 12: a lot of silly files and he had and he

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Speaker 12: you know, when he sets the screen, he's he puts

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Speaker 12: his hip out and things like that. He just has

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Speaker 12: to learn how to curttail those files and be more

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Speaker 12: streamlined with his movements and just be smarter. So I

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Speaker 12: think he'll be fine.

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Speaker 2: Defensively, Okay, she's style. Yeah, like they lead with defense. Yes,

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Speaker 2: do you believe the defense still wins championships in the NBA?

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Speaker 5: Of course?

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Speaker 12: And the thing about why if okay see wins this,

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Speaker 12: it's gonna you know, Negate all those people who go

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Speaker 12: out and he like, oh, threes are the way to win.

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Speaker 12: That's not Shake Gilger's game. He will do it three

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Speaker 12: every nine and then. But it's about getting buckets, and

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Speaker 12: Shake Gilgers knows how to get buckets. That's either from

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Speaker 12: the mid range or from the free throw line. But

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Speaker 12: on the flip side, you think about what Hartenstein and

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Speaker 12: Caruso and to me one of the best defensive players

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Speaker 12: in the game lou Dort are doing for that team

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Speaker 12: is amazing. And and if you go back at the

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Speaker 12: history of the NBA. Even you go back to the

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Speaker 12: Splash Brothers and the way they shot three. They were

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Speaker 12: top five defensively, and so people sometimes forget, like, oh,

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Speaker 12: they get mesmerized by the offense. But these teams are

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Speaker 12: also good defensively and they can lock you down, you know,

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Speaker 12: the Jalen Williams, they're very good. And if you look

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Speaker 12: at this team, there's usually somebody on the team that's,

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Speaker 12: you know, bad defensively.

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Speaker 5: There's no one on Okay, see it's bad defensively.

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Speaker 3: What are the posters behind you over your right shoulder.

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Speaker 12: Those are posters of I had a guy that he

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Speaker 12: did a painting of every championship I have, and what

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Speaker 12: it is is it's a moment from each game.

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Speaker 5: I kind of I.

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Speaker 12: So, I kind of it's kind of old minds to me.

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Speaker 3: Other players you played against? Those are those are all you?

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Speaker 12: Okay, it's two Rockets, three Lakers, and two Spurs, and

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Speaker 12: it's like it's a three point shot and each one

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Speaker 12: has a part of.

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Speaker 5: I can walk over there and let you see him

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Speaker 5: if you like.

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Speaker 2: But so if you can, I know, you've got time

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Speaker 2: constraints here. So all right, Yeah, So it's.

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Speaker 12: Kind of I got a guy named Opie Otist Dad

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Speaker 12: that have been known for like since I got in

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Speaker 12: the NBA.

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Speaker 3: So it is like okay, nixt.

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Speaker 12: Finals, Orlando's Finals, Pacers Finals of course, Sixers, New Jersey Pistons,

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Speaker 12: and in Cleveland, and each one has like the most

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Speaker 12: famous shot I made against Lakers. He does this thing

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Speaker 12: called ghosting where you can put like a little ghosting

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Speaker 12: thing in it.

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Speaker 5: So it's just me.

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Speaker 2: You earned it. I like you lost track of one

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Speaker 2: of the matchups there. You've won so many championships like oh,

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Speaker 2: New Jersey, Yeah, that was New Jersey.

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Speaker 12: You always forget about the people you sweep, like you

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Speaker 12: know that team that had I forget the name of

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Speaker 12: that team.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Great to talk to you again as always, Robert.

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Speaker 5: Great to talk to you too, man. I appreciate you. Man.

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Speaker 2: That's Robert Dory joining his courtesy of bet Online. I

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Speaker 2: thought he had like great players that he played against

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Speaker 2: or with, And you're right though.

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Speaker 3: Good for you many earn that you know.

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Speaker 2: a break, we'll be back after this.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of the DAN

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

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Speaker 2: Last Call for phone calls, What we learn, What's in

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Speaker 2: the program. Tom in North Carolina. Welcome back, Tom. What's

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Speaker 2: on your mind today?

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Speaker 13: ADP, Happy belated anniversary.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Todd and I twenty three years yesterday.

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Speaker 13: And said, I was wondering, I know Todd's favorite moment

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Speaker 13: was Tim Tebow in the Course of your life slash career.

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Speaker 13: Where does the Fritzy Anniversary rank in special moments in

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Speaker 13: your life?

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Speaker 2: I would say the sausage off was pretty impressive. Once again,

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Speaker 2: Todd is really funny when he's not trying to be funny,

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Speaker 2: and he wasn't trying to be funny, but he was

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Speaker 2: really funny that day. I think when we got him

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Speaker 2: on stage with Darius Rucker, that was pretty good. I

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Speaker 2: think when he was able to sing to John Oates

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Speaker 2: of Hall and Oates that was pretty cool. I think

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Speaker 2: cozying up snuggling up to Chrissy Tigan on a couch

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Speaker 2: was pretty good.

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Speaker 3: I got him in a couple of movies.

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Speaker 7: Yes, Tom, I think the question was, unless I misheard,

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Speaker 7: you want to know in your personal life as far

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Speaker 7: as just as far as being on this planet, where

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Speaker 7: are twenty three year anniversary ranks in special moments.

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Speaker 5: In your life?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 7: If I heard that right, it's supposed to just moments

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Speaker 7: over the Dan Patrick years.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, it doesn't rank anywhere. Yeah, you should have

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Speaker 2: shut up and just let me give it moments. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: don't overstate our anniversary here, Okay.

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Speaker 5: I just want you to respond to the question accurate.

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Speaker 14: So you weren't mentally debating the Fritzy anniversary and your

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Speaker 14: grandson being born this week is the best moment of

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Speaker 14: your week?

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Speaker 5: Those were?

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Speaker 3: There wasn't a debate. Yeah, it's not a competition between

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Speaker 3: those two. Okay, kind of neck and neck if you

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Speaker 3: give it some extra thought. I did. I did. Wait,

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Speaker 3: let me give it a something I did. I did.

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Speaker 3: Scott and Louisville, Hi, Scott, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 5: Hey?

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Speaker 7: Dan?

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Speaker 3: First time, long time. You said you're getting close to

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Speaker 3: what we learned today, And I think something that we.

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Speaker 6: All learned today is that you used to listen to

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Speaker 6: Jungle Love and think about.

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Speaker 3: Robert or yes, yes, so yeah we all got live

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Speaker 3: with that now, Yeah, yeah I did.

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Speaker 2: I thought of Prince at Jungle Love and of course

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Speaker 2: Robert Dorry they all go together or E or EO

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Speaker 2: Jungle of.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you listen to lyrics and you go, how do

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Speaker 3: they get that? Like where do you get that? Why

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Speaker 3: do you get that? Some lyrics and you just go, huh,

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Speaker 3: yes one.

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Speaker 5: I think that's the beauty about Prince.

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Speaker 15: Morris to Day was basically Prince's alter ego because he

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Speaker 15: wrote all those songs from Moores Day in the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 15: like Prince would never say this, but Morris.

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Speaker 2: Day or Snad O'Connor, she'll sing this, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to And you know you have the artist who hand

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Speaker 2: off song. Chris Stapleton said he's probably written a thousand

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Speaker 2: songs in his life, but he would hand him out

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Speaker 2: to people. He wrote one for Darius Rucker, he won't

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Speaker 2: He wrote one for Adele. He didn't even know who

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Speaker 2: Adele was. Remember when he won the four Grammys. We

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Speaker 2: had him on and uh, I said, I said, you

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Speaker 2: wrote a song for Dell and he goes, I didn't

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Speaker 2: even know who Adele was at the time, But you

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Speaker 2: just this ability to write these songs and not just lyrically,

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Speaker 2: because I don't know what would be harder. Like, you know,

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Speaker 2: you start a song like what is the beat? Like

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Speaker 2: what how do you start a song? That's that's the

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Speaker 2: amazing part for me, is there it is and then

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Speaker 2: I can fill in the lyrics. But to be able

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Speaker 2: to go okay that and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: that's why Elton John and Bernie Taupin, you know, one

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Speaker 2: takes care of the music, one takes care of the lyrics.

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Speaker 3: Amazing. Yes, Mark, you always.

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Speaker 15: Hear, you know, people talking about songs and they were like,

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Speaker 15: I'm just playing this riff and somebody says.

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Speaker 5: Ooh that sounds good.

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Speaker 15: You know, oh oh it's a little song called start

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Speaker 15: Me Up by Rolling Stones something like that.

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Speaker 2: The number of artists who will say, yeah, I wrote

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Speaker 2: it in like fifteen minutes. I had it and then

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Speaker 2: it's gone, and so I have to I got up

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Speaker 2: in the middle of the night and you know, I

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Speaker 2: did a guitar riff. How does Springsteen have all these songs?

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Speaker 2: And mean, it's remarkable that you can come up with

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Speaker 2: the number of songs or the number of songs The

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Speaker 2: Beatles did in an eight year period. It's just it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: But I do think you have a finite number of songs.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not like Paul McCartney or you know

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Speaker 2: Ringo Star writing hits now but they did. You know

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Speaker 2: the Stones. You know they're still writing but recording, but

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Speaker 2: you're not coming up with those hit songs like they

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Speaker 2: used to. Yes, ud I love the genius.

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Speaker 7: Before there was phones and all the technology, you have

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Speaker 7: a pet and pencil next to the bed to write

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Speaker 7: down your dreams or all of a sudden, song lyrics

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Speaker 7: come into your head in the middle of the night

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Speaker 7: and you have a very small finite amount of time

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Speaker 7: to get it down so you don't forget it.

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Speaker 5: That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 7: Having to have that by your bed where you can

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Speaker 7: just start writing stuff.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Todd.

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Speaker 14: This Day Sports History Paul nineteen sixty four. Sandy kofex

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Speaker 14: through his third career no hitter nineteen seventy four. The

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Speaker 14: NFL granted the Seattle Seahawks franchise. Gordy Howe nineteen eighty

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Speaker 14: announced his retirement of hockey, and I just checked in

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Speaker 14: Morris Day in the time will be touring all summer.

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Speaker 5: Look it up.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: On this date in two thousand, the Lakers were down

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Speaker 2: fifteen in the fourth quarter beat the Blazers Game seven,

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Speaker 2: Western Conference Finals, Todd, would you learn today?

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Speaker 7: Yeahoo's Benson Goodwill says the only way the Pacers can

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Speaker 7: win this series is to push the pace, play flowless

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Speaker 7: ball down the stretch, and Tyres has to be a monster.

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Speaker 4: Seatan, would you learn if you need some paintings done?

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Speaker 4: Robert Rory's got a guy, but he only paints Robert Lorry.

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Speaker 4: That's what Yeah, Marvin, how about you?

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Speaker 15: Don Cherry is not in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: All right, but he will be Paul Robert Rory as

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Speaker 2: a shrine. Thanks for your support. We'll try to be

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Speaker 2: better tomorrow. Have a great day, everybody,