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Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, everybody, It's Tuesday, April fifteenth, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We're wondering who

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Speaker 1: will pay the Travis Hunter tax? To me and your

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Speaker 1: man named g Marcus Grand joined by Michael al Florio

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Speaker 1: and Lakwan Jones. You're are we over draft season yet? Fellas?

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Speaker 1: Do we just do this?

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Speaker 2: Yes, let's just do this. It should be a slow draft.

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Speaker 2: Didn't we talk about this like it should be a

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Speaker 2: thirty day slow draft?

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Speaker 3: Like why, I don't want that at all?

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Speaker 1: Just like the best just like a bestball leagues doing

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Speaker 1: it like an underdog draft. I like, you.

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Speaker 3: Dedicate a weekend to it and that's it. Like thirty days, Bro,

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Speaker 3: it's been thirty days that we knew the Titans were

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Speaker 3: taking cam Ward. Like, come on, just get this pick

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Speaker 3: over with.

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I remember when the draft was two

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Speaker 1: days long, when it was just Saturday Sunday and like,

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Speaker 1: and that was it, and everybody was fine with that.

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Speaker 1: We were okay, We're okay with that. And now we

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Speaker 1: have a first round that takes three hours.

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Speaker 3: It takes too long. But I do like kind of

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Speaker 3: putting the spotlight on the first round. I also like

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Speaker 3: that it's a Thursday night, and like we don't have

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Speaker 3: to give up off full weekends anymore.

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Speaker 1: I never give up my full weekend. Like the Sunday

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Speaker 1: part of the draft like would be on maybe and

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Speaker 1: I'm like in and out of the room, and then

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Speaker 1: once I got the internet, I'm like, oh, I can

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Speaker 1: just go do other things and check back later. I've

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Speaker 1: said I may have said this on the show, Like

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Speaker 1: I think it's sort of dull television because like nothing

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Speaker 1: happens and it takes ten minutes of time for it

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Speaker 1: to not happen.

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Speaker 2: It's fun to go to the draft, though, I would

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Speaker 2: say that it's kind of fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why hesitation? Well interesting, I think the first I

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Speaker 1: think the first round of the draft is a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun. I think when you get to like day

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Speaker 1: two of the draft, you know because like for most people,

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Speaker 1: they don't really know of the names even after the

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Speaker 1: first you know, ten or fifteen picks, like most people

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Speaker 1: don't know those names, and so like you're in the

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Speaker 1: crowd and you know, they announced a name, and everybody's

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Speaker 1: just like yay, who.

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Speaker 2: Didn't have a first round pick? For the longest I

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Speaker 2: was actually there when Cooper Cup got drafted, and.

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Speaker 3: I was excited.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, you're just happy the Rams are

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Speaker 1: picking in the first round.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, Well, I'm happy we got a first round pick

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Speaker 3: thanks to last year. Let's revisit this in mid June,

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Speaker 3: when we're talking about like this team's third string wide

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Speaker 3: receiver says he's gonna get more snaps in the slot, Like,

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Speaker 3: at least the draft gives us something to talk about.

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Speaker 1: That's true, that's fair. That's fair. By the way, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about the draft today, we're really dive into

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Speaker 1: some wide receivers. To do that, I figure I call

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Speaker 1: up our friend, the one and only, Matt Harmon of Reception,

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Speaker 1: Perception and Yahoo, because when we're talking about wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: who better to tap into than that guy. So we'll

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Speaker 1: get his thoughts on some of the guys playing in

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver position in the draft, including v one

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Speaker 1: and only Travis Hunter and his evaluation of the Colorado Star.

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Speaker 1: But the anytime, a few news headlines to get into,

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Speaker 1: starting in New Orleans where look. So I was out

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Speaker 1: at about over the weekend and I see in the

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Speaker 1: text chain text from Michael lef Florio that basically says,

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Speaker 1: so how long until Derek Carr is going to be

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Speaker 1: doing hits for us? And I was like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what that meant. I thought it was funny,

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Speaker 1: and then I went onto the interwebs and saw that

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Speaker 1: he has a shoulder injury and his available ability for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five is in question, And then all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, Floria, your text made a whole lot more sense.

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Speaker 1: So I guess my first question to you, though, Mike,

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Speaker 1: is I mean, do they have to draft a quarterback?

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Speaker 1: And whatever happens, how are you feeling now about any

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Speaker 1: of these Saints skill position guys.

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Speaker 3: They don't have to draft a quarterback. I think, look,

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Speaker 3: if you care about twenty twenty five for the Saint,

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Speaker 3: you want them to because look at their quarterback room

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Speaker 3: like Spencer Ratler, Ben Denucci, Like those are guys that

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Speaker 3: are are in their room right now and you don't

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Speaker 3: want them starting seventeen games. I get that. And look

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Speaker 3: the internet, like Dion was tweeting, Everyone was just tweeting,

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Speaker 3: like the eyes when this news came out, like you

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Speaker 3: don't watch the door to go there? I personally do not, Like,

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Speaker 3: if you want Shador Sanders to succeed. The Saints are

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Speaker 3: if I was the Saints, this would be just like

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Speaker 3: I'd be honest and I would tell my fans, like, listen,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be a rough one. We we need to

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Speaker 3: reset the cap and everything and just kind of burn

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Speaker 3: it down and start anew is what I think they

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Speaker 3: should do, because no team has kicked the can down

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Speaker 3: the road like the Saints. And every year when when

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Speaker 3: we look at the oh, the news, they have to

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Speaker 3: get under the cap. Who is the least cap space? Oh,

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Speaker 3: the Saints are seventy five million, fifty million under like

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Speaker 3: do that for so long. And this, to me feels

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Speaker 3: like a natural kind of reset point. But yeah, for me,

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Speaker 3: Crystal Lave, Rashid Shahid, those were the end Kamara, those

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Speaker 3: are the only Saints that I was really interested in.

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Speaker 3: But those receivers are best used down field. I have

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Speaker 3: zero faith in any of the quarterbacks on this roster

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Speaker 3: right now to consistently get them the ball downfield, to

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Speaker 3: consistently just put them in positions to succeed. So I

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Speaker 3: already was low on this Saints offense. Now, I really

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Speaker 3: want no part of it.

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Speaker 1: The Saints and the salary cap are like they're like

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Speaker 1: me when I get the notification that my cloud storage

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Speaker 1: is almost right and you're just like going to it.

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Speaker 1: You're like, well, I only need these old videos of me,

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Speaker 1: you know, doing my top sleepers for week twelve. Like

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Speaker 1: I'm just like going through it, like deleting a bunch

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Speaker 1: of stuff and like trying to figure out, like, oh crap,

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Speaker 1: here's this photo of me like with my friends from like,

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Speaker 1: you know, twenty nineteen. I'm like, eh, I don't really

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Speaker 1: manage their salary cap is like where can we cut?

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Speaker 1: What can we do? And like you look at the guys,

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Speaker 1: look at the guys that are their top cap hits right.

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Speaker 1: Twenty million dollars for Derek Carr, who may not play

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Speaker 1: this year, Almost eighteen million for Taysom Hill, who is

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Speaker 1: going to be thirty five years old, is coming off

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Speaker 1: a major knee injury. Another twelve for Ryan Ramchek, who

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Speaker 1: is retiring. I don't know if he's has the officially

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Speaker 1: retired or is retiring. Either way, you know his time

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Speaker 1: in the NFL is coming to an end. Ten million

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Speaker 1: for Alvin Kamara, who's on the wrong side of thirty,

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Speaker 1: Another nearly ten million for Cam Jordan, who's thirty six

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Speaker 1: years old. I mean, they just have so much money and.

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Speaker 3: A podcast co colleague of out.

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Speaker 1: He is one of our colleagues here on the the

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Speaker 1: NFL iHeart podcast Network. There's just so much money tied

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Speaker 1: up in guys who are either either will not contribute

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Speaker 1: or I you know, are just on the backsides of

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Speaker 1: their career. Now. I don't know, LaQuan, I know you

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Speaker 1: were already sort of out on the Saints. I would

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Speaker 1: imagine this just makes it super easy. Just I mean,

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Speaker 1: it separate satchels like a worse statel than discontentuous. Just

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Speaker 1: like that's the statuel that's like, yeah, I'm gonna just

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this in the closet and we're just

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Speaker 1: gonna forget about it for a while.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing, like going back to the need for

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Speaker 2: get a quarterback from this class, but I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's going to be the top two that we're thinking.

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Speaker 2: But my dream scenario to recover all. This is Jaylen

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Speaker 2: Milroe and I've spoken enough about my excitement about him

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Speaker 2: and getting with Kellen Moore. It's a similar play type

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Speaker 2: than Jalen Hurst. He just needs some type of development

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Speaker 2: in his mechanics and I think that would be a

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Speaker 2: great fit. That will be like kind of the savior

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Speaker 2: of most of the just the bad dark cloud right

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Speaker 2: now and Nola, I.

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Speaker 1: Just it's a straight down right because you're not gonna say.

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Speaker 2: Jayleen Milroe at nine, No, you trade down and get

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Speaker 2: more fakes.

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Speaker 3: And yes, that's definitely the situation. I was surprised that

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Speaker 3: Milroe is going to be attending draft day because like

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Speaker 3: I thought.

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Speaker 4: He did a guy.

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Speaker 3: If he ain't getting picked, look, I know, come on,

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Speaker 3: that's evil.

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Speaker 4: Bro.

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Speaker 1: Will Levi is sitting in the room like what are

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Speaker 3: As he should as for the reasons, I thought Milroe

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Speaker 3: I like, look, look, because we're fantasy guys. We all

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Speaker 3: love Milroe because of what he can do with his legs,

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Speaker 3: but like there's there's a development project there. First round

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Speaker 3: would be if the sam could get him in round two,

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Speaker 3: I'm all about that, which they could.

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Speaker 1: That is possible. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Steelers they need a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: They had dinner with Milroe.

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Speaker 3: I mean they loved them that That's where I thought

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's more so of like it's going to

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Speaker 2: be dark. Is it gonna be Milroe? You're reaching for

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Speaker 2: both in the first round in my opinion, But it's

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Speaker 2: more so of like we need a need right now,

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Speaker 2: and these other teams might scoop them up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, both those guys, Dart and Milroe are huge reaches.

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Speaker 1: At nine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't take either one there.

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Speaker 4: You got a track down.

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Speaker 1: If you could tell me that Jalen Milroe is still

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Speaker 1: there with what is it the eighth pick, I think

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Speaker 1: it is in the second round. If Milroe' is still

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Speaker 1: there at forty for the Saints, I could probably make

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Speaker 1: a better case for that. I fear it's a little

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Speaker 1: bit of Anthony Richardson syndrome too, though, where you talk

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Speaker 1: about having to work on his mechanics, having to, you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of fix a lot of things as a prospect,

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Speaker 1: Like it's one of those things that for fantasy we're like,

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Speaker 1: hey man, we'll just figure it out on the fly,

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Speaker 1: but we'll draft him and hope for the best, Whereas

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Speaker 1: if you're the Saints and you're actually trying to win

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Speaker 1: real football games, it feels like asking a lot.

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Speaker 3: If I'm the Saints, I would do that in the

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Speaker 3: second round or maybe in like round three. Take Tyler

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Speaker 3: Schuck and just be like, Hey, you've played a lot

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Speaker 3: of college ball, let's see if you can handle it

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Speaker 3: at the NFL level, and just expect to have a

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Speaker 3: I pick next year. My approach so bad football NOLA

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Speaker 3: next season.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's kind of where we've been in

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Speaker 1: the last couple of seasons, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: and I think I think there's a good chance that

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Speaker 1: top two, but I think anything beyond that, if you

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Speaker 1: draft a guy this year, you may still be in

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Speaker 1: Well, actually, it's one hundred percent year job to make

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Speaker 2: just was iffy after that bye week. He had ten touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: And it's more so of like, okay, let's readjust we

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Speaker 2: when you look at this Cardinals offense, they obviously need

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Speaker 2: always going to be there as they're number one, But

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Speaker 2: it's more so finding that balance in that offense. So honestly,

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Speaker 2: I honestly look at Kyler as a maturing quarterback now

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Speaker 3: He had eight touchdowns. I mean what games were here?

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Speaker 2: But there's something there that they can build on for sure.

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Speaker 2: So like I'm gonna take it as you know, I'll

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Speaker 2: take Marvin Harrison, you know, if he's available in the

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Speaker 1: I don't I wouldn't be surprised actually, if he's still

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Speaker 1: Like in theory, I should be getting hyped, right, I

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Speaker 1: should be like, hey, man, maybe there's something there, maybe

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Speaker 3: I think Kyler might be a little underrated this year

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Speaker 3: for fantasy. We were like he's back full first full

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Speaker 3: think he's top ten, probably closer to top eight because of

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Speaker 3: more than any of the other like elite wide receivers

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Speaker 3: maybe him and a doonsday. He wins in one way,

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Speaker 3: well as someone like Milik Neighbors, which is why I

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Speaker 3: had Neighbors higher than him last year. But Kyler also

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Speaker 3: isn't the type of QB who is just going to

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Speaker 3: get excited. But like he's gonna be the like again

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Speaker 3: wide receiver one. Yes for real life purposes, but he's

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Speaker 3: their number two target behind Trey McBride. And I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is. It is. I still hold

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Speaker 2: But looking at Kyler as a quarterback in general, like

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Speaker 2: he plays better in comfortability and like I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: like when he's targeting Tray McBride, and like when you

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Speaker 2: just one of those things that you hope this off

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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, Yeah, I don't know. I think ideally, if

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Speaker 1: you know, you know what.

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Speaker 3: The funny part to me, though, is this time last

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's wrong. I don't have any real I

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Speaker 1: That was the thing that happened. I mean I did

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Speaker 1: last year and it ended up being sort of underwhelming

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Speaker 1: Pickett says he plans to start for the Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 1: is quote quote, I'm not going there to hang out,

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Speaker 1: all right, all right? I said, I'm not going there

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Speaker 1: The thing though, that really made me laugh about the

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Speaker 1: I've heard nothing but great things about Joe. I've been

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Speaker 3: Joe Flacco was closer in age to Kenny Pickett than

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Speaker 3: he was last year's quarterback that he shared in Richardson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, that is true. Is a veteran compared

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Speaker 1: And in the end doesn't really matter for us.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna pull my punches being that both these guys

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Speaker 3: Love my Jersey hope, but.

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Speaker 1: I know he went to Delaware. I know he went

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Speaker 3: See a lot of pizzas in his day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I need.

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Speaker 2: To know if he's a Taylor Ham or pork Row guy,

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Speaker 2: Yeah we do. We don't go went crazy with him

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Speaker 2: It was Winston and Cleveland as well. But I just

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Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett's going there to learn, He's going to be

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Speaker 2: they do at two? What if they take your door?

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, we already talked about this. We don't

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Speaker 2: I would honestly won Joe Flacco for Jerry Judy's upside,

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Speaker 1: I just I don't think it matters. It's all no

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Speaker 1: How many games does he started, Like, let's put the

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Speaker 2: punches again. I love my Jersey folks, but geez, I

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00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,639
Speaker 2: just think it's a bad situation as well. I agree,

434
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 2: but I just would rather the veteran.

435
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,120
Speaker 1: You said the man had dolphins, and You're like, I'm

436
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,239
Speaker 1: pulling my punches, Like what would what would you? Right? Like,

437
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,120
Speaker 1: I can't. My hands are so tiny, Like what would

438
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,160
Speaker 1: you have said if you were pulling punches? Uh?

439
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 3: We can't say all Mike, I'll tell you this though,

440
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 3: I am I'm not good. I'm not doing the Jerry

441
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 3: Judy thing at all, not even because of the quarterbacks.

442
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 3: Because this one good stretch he had last year where

443
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 3: he was dominant one. It came with Jameis Winston, who

444
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 3: loves targeting one wide receiver, but it came with the

445
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 3: why am I drawing a blank on? Uh Dorset Ken Dorsey,

446
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 3: who I could tell you from years of experience does

447
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 3: not care about turnovers and just wants to pepper the

448
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 3: wide receiver one with targets. Once Dorsey left, Judy kind

449
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,640
Speaker 3: of became Judy again those final two games. So I'm

450
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 3: out on Judy. I'm out on this offense as a whole. Really,

451
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 3: even even if Travis Hunter goes here, which I'm praying

452
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 3: he doesn't because I want him to go, like, send

453
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 3: him to New England.

454
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 1: Please, but.

455
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 3: David and Joko would be the only one. I think

456
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,439
Speaker 3: I have any interest on this offense drafting.

457
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't know. I think I'm out

458
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,199
Speaker 1: on the Browns this year. Ohough By the way, I'll

459
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 1: say this, Browns to have a a offensive coordinator, play

460
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: caller who doesn't really care about turnovers. Jameis Winston is

461
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: the perfect quarterback for you. I mean, it is the

462
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,360
Speaker 1: memory who's just gonna just sling it. Yeah, it's perfect,

463
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: perfect Pairy, perfect pary. All Right, we're gonna dive into

464
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: some wide receivers. We're gonna have Matt Harmon come on

465
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 1: and talk about some of the guys that he has

466
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 1: looked at, his thoughts on some of the top prospects,

467
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: and just general his method for what he does. So

468
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: let's stick around for that. Coming up next on the

469
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Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy Football Show. Super glad to be joined here

470
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 1: on the NFL Fantasy Football Show by one of my

471
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: favorite people, both in the industry and just in real

472
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 1: life as well. You probably know him from the myriad

473
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: of things he does over at Yahoo, or maybe you

474
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: know him from his brainchild known as reception Perception, or

475
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: if you are of a certain age. You may remember

476
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 1: him from being on this very own show where he

477
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,719
Speaker 1: would sit along with myself and several others and we

478
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: would filter in some occasional fantasy football talk with a

479
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: whole lot of nonsense. It is our pal, the one

480
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: and only Matt Harmon Pale Good to talk to you

481
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: is always man.

482
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Speaker 4: Hard things, Marcus, everyone, I appreciate it. Yeah, it's good

483
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 4: to be back. It feels like being in an apartment

484
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 4: used to live in. You know, it doesn't look quite

485
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 4: the same, but generally recognize a few things, especially you, Marcus,

486
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 4: who seems to only get better looking as you age,

487
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 4: which is infuriating for me in a steep decline as

488
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 4: a human being. But nevertheless, it's good to be here

489
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 4: and I'm excited to talk today.

490
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely every time I see you, though, you get the

491
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: more swole, So you know you got that going for you.

492
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 4: Everything from the neck up is not as good as

493
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 4: it used to be, so down we've got to continue

494
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 4: to improve that every single year.

495
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, good times as always. I want to

496
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: get you on as we are a little more than

497
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 1: a week ahead of the NFL Draft that we've been

498
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: going position by position of course, when we wanted to

499
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: talk wide receivers, you were the first person on my

500
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: list to come talk to. With the success of RP

501
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 1: everything you're doing over Yahoo with Nate Tice, Charles McDonald,

502
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: everybody over there. I just want to kind of jump

503
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: in at the top of this thing just because you know,

504
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter is maybe the most intriguing prospect in this draft.

505
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: You know, the debate about whether he's going to play

506
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: one side of the ball or the other or maybe both,

507
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: that one sort of rages on, But you obviously are

508
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: evaluating him just from the wide receiver perspective, And so

509
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: from just that perspective alone, what do you see from

510
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter that maybe pretends for him being great at

511
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: the next level or maybe not so great.

512
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, he might be my favorite receiver

513
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 4: I've ever evaluated, not because like I think he's the

514
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,719
Speaker 4: best prospect I've ever charged or anything like that, but

515
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 4: I just take it back to kind of the beginning

516
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 4: of my experience with Travis Hunter. You know, I don't

517
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 4: watch college football during the regular season because I'm trying

518
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 4: to say a happily married man enough to justify, like,

519
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 4: let's tank a whole nother day because of football. That

520
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 4: doesn't have to do with my job. But because of that,

521
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 4: I'm aware of who Travis Hunter is. I'm aware he's

522
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 4: a two way player. I'm aware he wins the Heisman,

523
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 4: but I didn't re realized that. I mean, this guy

524
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 4: truly was a full time player on both sides of

525
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 4: the ball. Like so, going in and just seeing the

526
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 4: fact that he played over one hundred snaps in eleven

527
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 4: of thirteen games, it's like outrageous. And I actually still

528
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 4: feel like it's not talked about enough. It's usually a

529
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,719
Speaker 4: stupid thing to say, and maybe it's a stupid thing

530
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 4: to say in this situation because everybody's talking all of

531
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 4: the time and there's so much coverage about everything, But

532
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 4: I mean, this is truly a once in a lifetime player.

533
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 4: Like we talk about generational prospects every other year and

534
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 4: usually it's bad. No, this guy actually is a once

535
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 4: cent a generation prospect. And the part of the reason

536
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 4: I think that is because he is an incredible wide receiver.

537
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 4: I mean, if we're just looking at him as a

538
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 4: wide out, he's in the same tier of prospect to

539
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 4: me as the guys that went in the top ten

540
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 4: last year, Marvin Harrison, ramajunse Melik neighbors, and like, it

541
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 4: wouldn't surprise me if he was better than any of

542
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 4: those guys, just because he brings everything you want from

543
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 4: a traits and skills perspective, ninety seventh percentile success rate

544
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 4: versus zone coverage in reception perception, and like, those cornerback

545
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 4: skills show up so well as a wide out in

546
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 4: terms of like, hey, here's how you beat zone and

547
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 4: here's where you settle into things and make yourself a

548
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 4: reliable target over the middle of the field. He's great

549
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 4: against press coverage. I'll be it in you know, the

550
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 4: Big twelve or whatever conference it is now. You know

551
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 4: it's not the best level of competition, but in terms

552
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 4: of prospects that have been pressed on over twenty two

553
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 4: percent of their routes in reception perception AST prospects, he's

554
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 4: got the best success rate versus press. He's got rare

555
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 4: catching ability, he rarely goes down on first contact, like

556
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 4: anything you'd want in a number one wide receiver. He

557
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 4: brings those skills to the table, which is why I

558
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 4: think like Cleveland taking him at two, Andrew Barry's obsessed

559
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 4: with the guy I mean it's been it's been very

560
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 4: obvious anytime he's spoken. I got pictures from somebody that

561
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 4: was at his pro day of Barry just like complete

562
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 4: in the squat, like just watching Dravis go through everything.

563
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 4: He loves him as a wide receiver, and I think

564
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 4: I believe, I will believe. I will not believe it,

565
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 4: like when I see it basically that he doesn't try

566
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 4: to play both ways. I expect him to try to

567
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 4: be a full time player on both sides of the ball.

568
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot like you. He is my favorite

569
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 3: receiver in this class, and I've been saying like I

570
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 3: think he's the only elite option. And people call me

571
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 3: a hot take artist and stuff, but one hot take

572
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 3: we had on this show was myself and Lakwan Jones

573
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 3: went at it a couple of weeks ago over Luther Burden.

574
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 3: I am team Luther Burden, Lakwan is not. So I

575
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 3: want to just hear your thoughts where you land on

576
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: Luther Burden and if there's any teams that you think

577
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 3: maybe because I don't think he's the kind of guy

578
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 3: that you could just throw in any single offense, But

579
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 3: do you think there's any that come up to mind

580
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: where you're like, oh, he could shine there.

581
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

582
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 4: It's not surprising to me that you guys have like

583
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 4: a wide view on or like a wide range in

584
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 4: terms of who you think Luther Burden is, because I

585
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 4: think he is the number one, like grade to the

586
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 4: Flashes player in this class. If you just grade to

587
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 4: the Flashes, I think he actually looks like the best

588
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 4: wide receiver in the class. The problem is, there are

589
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 4: a lot of other plays there that are not pretty.

590
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 4: I think he's obviously great with the ball in his hands,

591
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 4: there's no question about that. I think even people that

592
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 4: are Burden detractors maybe Lakwan feels differently, but usually we'll

593
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 4: tell you like, yeah, good, he's good once you get

594
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 4: the ball in his hands, and he's good after the catch.

595
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 4: He's bigger than you think, he's faster than you think.

596
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 4: He is definitely someone that I would like you understand

597
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 4: why Missouri designed so many touches for him. He's another

598
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 4: guy that rarely went down on first contact and can

599
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 4: make those big plays. The thing is, though he's got

600
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 4: some real deal flashes against man coverage. You know, he's

601
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 4: got a seventy one percent success rate verse man coverage

602
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 4: in reception perception. Now, he faced zone coverage more more

603
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 4: often than any prospect than the class because of that

604
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 4: slot heavy role that he played. But you see him

605
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 4: win on outbreaking routes against man coverage, real deal, like

606
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 4: big boy routes. Those flashes are just few and far

607
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 4: in between. And then there's a lot of plays where

608
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 4: he's facing all that zone coverage and he's not particularly

609
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 4: good or you know, hetty in terms of where he

610
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: needs to settle down. So his success rate verzone is

611
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 4: actually not where you'd want it to be from a

612
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 4: guy that is facing so much own coverage. So it's

613
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 4: just it's a really hard evaluation, man. Plus the fact that,

614
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 4: like he is a guy that has gotten character concerns

615
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 4: throughout the process. Not like he's a bad guy, but

616
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, work ethic, football intelligence stuff, and

617
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 4: like maybe he's just, like you said, not for everybody.

618
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 4: That's beyond the fact the scheme, Like he just might

619
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 4: not be a personality fit for all thirty two teams,

620
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 4: which was the reason that I've basically said with Luther Burton,

621
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 4: like how good is Luther Burton going to be? That's

622
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 4: up to Luther Burton, because I think if he dials

623
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,239
Speaker 4: in and he works at it, he could easily be

624
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 4: the best receiver in this class. And a lot of

625
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 4: that will also come down to where he lands in

626
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 4: the right role, because I don't think he is just

627
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 4: a design touches player. I think he can run some

628
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 4: real deal routse. He high points the ball really well,

629
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 4: he adjusts to it in flight at the catch point.

630
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 4: So I'm I'm kind I don't want to say I'm

631
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 4: a believer in Luther Burton, but if some team team

632
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 4: I'm like a let me, I'm a centrist. Okay, Marcus

633
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 4: will not be surprised that I'm going to come down

634
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 4: in the middle here on this issue. I'm like, I

635
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 4: kind of can see both sides of the argument, and

636
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 4: to me, it will just be like again, if he

637
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 4: dials in, he puts the work like there is.

638
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: J J.

639
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 4: Zackery's had a great comparison for him in his late

640
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 4: Round Prospect guy that we talked about on his show.

641
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 4: It's a Brandon Auk comparison, which I actually think is

642
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 4: so perfect because Ayuk was a guy who was kind

643
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: of a design touches yards after catch option in college,

644
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 4: but he flashed the ability to run routes against offman coverage,

645
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 4: which is very similar to the Luther Burdon evaluation. We

646
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 4: know it wasn't always easy in San Francisco. There were

647
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 4: some rocky moments early for Ayuk, but when he dialed in,

648
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 4: he became one of the best separators in the entire league.

649
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 4: That that path is available for Luther Burton again, it

650
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 4: is just up to him to dial in and go

651
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 4: down that path.

652
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: Just real quick too before before you go Lakwandra, you

653
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: know you talk about Luther Burden can be as good

654
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: as Luther Burden wants to be, and I think that

655
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: applies to Brandon Ayuk right Like Brandon I yuks talking

656
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: about the rocky moments. It's because you know, for Kyle Shanahan,

657
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: you weren't getting enough from Ayuk in the other phases

658
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: of the game. If it was him running routes and

659
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: trying to get over and get the ball, I kind

660
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: of didn't care. Is when he started to care that

661
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: he kind of got more love that forty nine er offense.

662
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm a sucker for a physically gifted receiver who is

663
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: just a head case like those guys get me.

664
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: No, I do hear the arguments, like it's one of

665
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: those things that me and Florida were going back and

666
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: forth with and like my stance was is like he

667
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: has to go to the right location. Like how many

668
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: times have we seen his type fail on the NFL level?

669
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: And like you smoke about the route running and expanding

670
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: and like we hear things like this with labels with

671
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: players like they have a limited routree, Like has there

672
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 2: been a player that you evaluated coming out of college

673
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: like you mentioned Brandon I you expanding his routree, but

674
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: a guy that just been labeled as a one center

675
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: guy for the routree being very limited, Like have you

676
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: seen him grow, you know, once they got to the

677
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: next NFL level?

678
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah. I Mean the easiest and probably most positive

679
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 4: example of this is actually from last year's draft class,

680
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 4: Brian Thomas junior man. I mean that guy ran over

681
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 4: fifty percent of his routes, or just under fifty percent

682
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 4: of his routes. There's going to be sixty seven point

683
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 4: one percent I'm wrong about the sixty seven point one

684
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 4: percent of his charted routes were slant curl or nine.

685
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 4: That was a very limited route tree at LSU in

686
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 4: his final season didn't matter in the NFL, like he

687
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 4: immediately expanded that because he showed that he could. This

688
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 4: is why it's less about what you do and what

689
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 4: you show that you can do, Like what are you

690
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 4: ask to do? That's one thing. The other part of

691
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 4: the evaluation is do you show in other moments that

692
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 4: you can expand upon that? And that was the thing

693
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 4: with Brian Thomas was I actually think the Jaguars and look,

694
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 4: the coaching staffs stunk and like they've all gotten they've

695
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 4: all gotten shipped out of there. We know that. But

696
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 4: one thing they did a good job with is they

697
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 4: didn't overload this guy right away with a with a

698
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 4: big deal role, like they had gave Davis to play

699
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 4: that sacrificial X receiver role, so that Brian Thomas could

700
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 4: move around the formation, play as the flank or play

701
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 4: a little bit as the X, get reps from the

702
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 4: slot and get a lot of like screens and things

703
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 4: of that nature. Then by the time his rookie year

704
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 4: was over, the guy's getting an unbelievable amount of volume

705
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 4: with like mac Jones is this quarterback. So he showed

706
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 4: he could develop, But honestly, his his rookie season was

707
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 4: very similar to his final year in college, where the

708
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 4: more he played, the better he got. So I mean,

709
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: for some of these guys, it is they remain a

710
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 4: limited application player. Alec Pierce is a guy that was

711
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 4: all he could run coming into the NFL was slants

712
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 4: and nines and all in posts. And all he does

713
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 4: in the NFL is runs slants nine in posts like

714
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 4: that's it. But it's a reasonably valuable role for an

715
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 4: NFL offense. It just makes you kind of a volatile

716
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 4: player looking at.

717
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: A guy like a Mecca Abuka because obviously you're you're

718
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: up on all these guys right In the last few years,

719
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: Ohio State has given us Marvin Harrison Junior, JSN chrys Olave,

720
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 1: who else I'm missing, Jarrett Wilson, Jared Wilson. There it is.

721
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: That was the one Where does Abuka rank amongst those

722
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: guys coming out of there?

723
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 4: I guess he would probably be the lowest of that

724
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 4: group because I think think, but here's the thing. I

725
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 4: love Buka and he's my clear cut if we I

726
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 4: feel like with every wide receiver conversation, we kind of

727
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 4: have to say, well, he's the best at this, he's

728
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 4: the best at that. If you throw out Travis Hunter.

729
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 4: If you throw at Travis Hunter, he's probably the best

730
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 4: zone beater in the class, and he might have the

731
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 4: best set of hands in the class. And to me,

732
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: he is my number three receiver if we include Travis Hunter,

733
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: and he's in the same tier as a guy like

734
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 4: Tetro McMillan to me. Because so if we're just hearing

735
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 4: all those Ohio State guys, I thought Marv, Chris Olave,

736
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 4: and Gary Wilson were what I would call tier one

737
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 4: wide receiver prospects, meaning you could take those guys in

738
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 4: the top ten of any draft, and I think they

739
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 4: were ready to start as rookies and eventually become NFL superstars.

740
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 4: And I look, Marvin, we'll see if he becomes an

741
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 4: NFL superstar. But he started day one as a rookie

742
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 4: X receiver and like obviously it was a disappointing year

743
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 4: because everybody was too high on him from a fantasy perspective,

744
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 4: but he had a you know it was again, he

745
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 4: had a pretty decent rookie season as a starting ex receiver.

746
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 4: The other like JSN, the other guy there, I think

747
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 4: he is in the same tier of a prospect as

748
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 4: at Mecha Buka. I probably prefer JSN just by a

749
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 4: little bit because he's a better He's a flashier player.

750
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 4: Guka is more of like a dog. He's more like reliable.

751
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 4: So I really this is the type of skill set

752
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 4: I really like, Like the power slot guys who block,

753
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 4: who catch everything, and who beat zone coverage. Those people

754
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 4: always complain about their upside. Nobody's complaining about the upside

755
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 4: of i'man Ross Saint Brown who has this exact same

756
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 4: skill set and pushes to lead the NFL and catches

757
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 4: every single year.

758
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. So you mentioned he's your three if you count

759
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter, is McMillan two.

760
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, he would be too.

761
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: So what are your thoughts on McMillan, Because I like

762
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 3: him a lot, but I do think he's one of

763
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: these wide receivers that people like see his size and

764
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: they're like, just throw the ball up to him. But

765
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: to me, I don't think he's that kind of player

766
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: at all. I think he's a lot better, like after

767
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: the catch and stuff, And I'm just wondering, do you

768
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: think he can translate to be that kind of receiver

769
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 3: that people want to make him out to be, and

770
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: can he be a one at the NFL.

771
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 4: Level, I think to answer the last question first, I

772
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 4: think he fits into a group of players that I

773
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 4: think you can get away with as your number one receiver,

774
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 4: but is probably best as a two. My player comparison

775
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 4: for him as Courtland Sutton, who I think perfectly encapsulates

776
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 4: that he's probably better as he's probably better as a

777
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 4: two than a one. But look the Broncos. He was

778
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 4: their easy, clear cut number one receiver, was the only

779
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 4: wide receiver who ran a round on fifty percent of

780
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 4: the dropbacks throughout the course of the season, and he

781
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 4: was a good number one receiver for an offensive outkicked expectations.

782
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 4: And I think McMillan could be that type of player

783
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 4: in the NFL. Again, he's a better separator than you think.

784
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought up the point about his yards

785
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 4: after catchability. That's really where he is underrated to me.

786
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 4: He breaks contact contact well. He has these like long

787
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 4: strides where he can eat up ground, and the critical

788
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 4: part of that is that he's better on these like

789
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 4: intermediate inbreaking routes like digs and some deeper posts where

790
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 4: he gets into space and then can get those yards

791
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 4: after the catch. The point about him as a ball winner,

792
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 4: I actually think is a good one because he's not

793
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 4: one of these like absolute dunk on you physical specimens

794
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 4: at the catch point. Those guys tend to get a

795
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 4: little overrated anyways, So I actually think he's a better

796
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 4: separator and not as good of a ball winner as

797
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 4: people think, which is kind of why I settled with

798
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 4: him as a tier two prospect. Again, Travis Sunder's my

799
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 4: only Tier one prospect in this class. McMillan, though, I

800
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 4: do think is you can use a first round pick

801
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 4: on him and feel really really good about it. And again,

802
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 4: if you're the right team gets him and he's better

803
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 4: used as a two than a one, I think he'd

804
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 4: be a really good pick there.

805
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: So I want to talk to you about Tesz Johnson.

806
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: So we see him go to the combine like he's

807
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: a smaller guy, Like, is that a big concern in

808
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: like for the three cone drill? Do you think that

809
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: like kind of saved his draft stock and what type

810
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: of production could we expect with a player of his size.

811
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 4: Honestly, it's unfortunate for tes but I feel like a

812
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 4: lot of teams see four or five at that weight

813
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 4: and they're just going to cross him off the board,

814
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 4: And I think he can have a use in the

815
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 4: NFL because he's really good at diagnosing zone coverage and

816
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 4: finding like these soft spots and things like that. But

817
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 4: you know, when we're comparing him to the last guy

818
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 4: who was a size outlier in Tank Dell, which is

819
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 4: kind of funny because Tank Dell went from like being

820
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 4: an outlier to like a cautionary tale really quick, like

821
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 4: after his rookie years, like, see, this is why you

822
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 4: got I mean, who cares? How big he how big

823
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 4: he is? Who cares? We got a we had a

824
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 4: really productive receiver in the third round or whatever. And

825
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 4: then by the end of his second season, it's like,

826
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 4: well he can't stay healthy, you know. So this is

827
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 4: one of the size part of it does come back

828
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 4: into equation here. For tes, he's smaller than Tank Dell,

829
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 4: and he is not as good against press coverage as

830
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 4: Tank Dell was. As a prospect, That's where I got

831
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 4: kind of hung up on projecting him as anything more

832
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 4: than a really nice number three. But for the right team,

833
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: you know, I certainly think he can end up being

834
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 4: a useful player. I mean, I wouldn't rule out the

835
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 4: Broncos going after He's he is literally bo Nix's like

836
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 4: adopted brother, you know, like Tedz Johnson taken in by

837
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 4: bo Nix's family like they they are. They are truly

838
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 4: like brothers. So I wouldn't be surprised if bo says, Hey,

839
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 4: Sean had a pretty nice rookie year for you, You

840
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 4: got me the Oregon receiver who's not that reliable and

841
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 4: Troy Franks. How about you give me a guy in

842
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 4: Tes Johnson who's gonna be where he's supposed to be

843
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 4: against own coverage.

844
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, this would be perfect because we won. This is

845
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: a this is a bow Leaver podcast, right, we are

846
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: all on bow Knicks here and knowing how Lakwan feels

847
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: about Tess Johnson, just pairing the two of them up

848
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: basically me and I guess none of us are getting

849
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: bow Nicks in any drafts because it would just be

850
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: Lakwan pretty much taking him. Take a quick break, will

851
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: come back board with Matt Harmon as we talk some

852
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: wide receivers and ahead of the draft. Coming up next

853
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, I'm back talking with

854
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: Matt Harmon of Yahoo and Reception Perception as we dive

855
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: into some wide receivers that draft in a little more

856
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: than a week from today. I want to give you

857
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: a chance to be a hater. I know that you

858
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: oka just like to put on your your hater hat,

859
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: and you can can do that.

860
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 4: Well.

861
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: Is there somebody out there that you feel like you

862
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: were sort of contrarian on not on purpose, just like

863
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: in the natural course of study, somebody that maybe you

864
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: aren't as high on as a lot of other folks. Yeah, Marcus,

865
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: I usually prefer to be a hater offline online. I

866
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: try to pretend that I'm a positive, rosy guy. No,

867
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: I think for this particular question, to me, it is

868
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: Jaden Higgins from Iowa State, who there's a lot of

869
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: people that I really like and respect who are big

870
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: walk away I just gotta have and walked away after

871
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: he and.

872
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 3: On this one personally, I haven't told.

873
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 4: But oh man, well, I was gonna say, I'm like

874
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 4: ruining la quants to be a.

875
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: Two persons show going forward apparently.

876
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 4: But I mean, here's the thing with Higgins, Like, it's

877
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 4: not that I don't like him. I actually think he

878
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 4: is a is a good day to prospect at the

879
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 4: receiver position. Like to me's a. He's a good third rounder.

880
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 4: I feel really comfortable taking h third round. But there

881
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 4: are other people that are just higher. Clearly, freaking Lakwan

882
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 4: has run at one of them. Like a lot of

883
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 4: people that I respect, including Lakwan, view him as like

884
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 4: a potential, like maybe top five, top six receiver in

885
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 4: the class. I'm just a little bit lower than that

886
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 4: because he doesn't separate like just point blank, he does

887
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 4: not separate like I want to see guys get open

888
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 4: at the NFL level if we're projecting him there. He

889
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 4: is one of these players that in reception perception is

890
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 4: sub thirty fifth percentile against press and man coverage. There

891
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 4: are guys that have hit from that. From that list,

892
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 4: they did a whole breakdown on YouTube about this last

893
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 4: year looking at Keon Coleman, and I actually think there's

894
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 4: a lot of similarities between Keon Coleman and Jayden Higgins,

895
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 4: whereas they're a little bit different, like when you actually

896
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 4: just break them down kind of stylistically, because I think

897
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 4: Coleman was a little bit more straight line and powerful,

898
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 4: whereas Higgins does have some real fluidity underneath, but it's

899
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 4: mostly expressed against zone coverage. The guys who have hit

900
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 4: from this list, they've all become big slot receivers. I

901
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 4: mean like jujuswith Hues or Rashi, Rice Cooper Cup, I'm

902
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 4: on rust Saint Brown, who who we were just talking about.

903
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 4: Like all those guys were not great perimeter players in college,

904
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 4: but they shifted into being power slots and they've worked

905
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 4: out really well in that role. I do think if

906
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 4: Higgins can go to a team that sees that vision

907
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 4: for him, you know that there is a potential, high

908
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 4: quality future for him in the NFL. The problem is

909
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 4: a lot of teams see six four over two hundred

910
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 4: and ten pounds with that four to four at the

911
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 4: combine and think like, all right, that's our next X receiver.

912
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: And at best I think you get Mike Williams out

913
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 4: of that archetype like at best, and Williams was a

914
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 4: much much better college player than Jayden Higgins was. So

915
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 4: the ball skills are pretty good. He's got good hands.

916
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 4: The problem is, again, he just doesn't separate to the

917
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 4: level that I would want for him to be playing

918
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 4: outside in the NFL.

919
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: It is funny because I'm looking at my notes for him,

920
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: and I wrote in the notes, like said a lot

921
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 3: about this about key On Coleman last year as well.

922
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: Ha similar things that I'll say. So we're kind of

923
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: on the if he goes to the Bills, I'll be

924
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 3: in Look I'll just tell you that.

925
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: But look like.

926
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 4: Keon Coleman, I think is actually really instructive to kind

927
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 4: of putting a range on these guys because I don't

928
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 4: think ke On Coleman had a bad year for the

929
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 4: Buffalo Bills as a rookie. It just there was never

930
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 4: a point where it's like, yeah, all right, we got

931
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 4: to start feeding Keyon eight ten targets consistently because if

932
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 4: you're gonna be because basically everything I said, like, here's

933
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 4: what I'd love to build, like a team to do

934
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 4: with Keon Coleman, Like I'd love them to move into

935
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 4: the slot. I'd love them to not play a bunch

936
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 4: of X receiver. Well, Buffalo Bills just played him an

937
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 4: ex receiver basically the entire year. I don't mean I

938
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 4: don't have to tell you this for you. You watched

939
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 4: all the games. You know this, like and that. To me,

940
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 4: it's like, okay, well he had his moments where yeah,

941
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 4: he just goes up and he dunks on people. Because

942
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 4: he's bigger, and he has really good contested catchability. But again,

943
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,479
Speaker 4: that's those type of players. The NFL has really moved

944
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 4: away from that being your number one read in the

945
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 4: concept that being a guy that you're again throwing ten

946
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 4: targets to every single week or even close to that range,

947
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 4: especially these offenses like Buffalo that have been saying, hey, Josh,

948
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 4: like take the layups, take the layups, take the layups.

949
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 4: And at that point, you just don't get especially if

950
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 4: we'realking about like from a fantasy perspective, we don't really

951
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 4: get that value, that consistent value that we'd want from

952
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 4: a guy if he is to play a perimeter role

953
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 4: in the NFL.

954
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: And to that point, the number one thing I look

955
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 3: for while watching these college receivers is like, can you

956
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 3: consistently separate? And it sounds like you do as well,

957
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: But I'm wondering, like, when you're scouting these receivers, separation

958
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 3: seems very high on your list. What else are other

959
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 3: traits that you look for that stand out to you?

960
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 4: Honestly, to me, it's really just like it all has

961
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 4: to start with what role are we projecting them into?

962
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 4: Because using the Jaden Higgins example, like if we're talking

963
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 4: about him as an X receiver, then there's a lot

964
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 4: of things. Okay, I don't like this, I don't like this,

965
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 4: I don't like this. But again, if he's somebody that

966
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 4: is going to move into the inside, all of a sudden,

967
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 4: other things in the profile start to become important. Number One,

968
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 4: that's success rate versus zone coverage, which for Jaden Higgins

969
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 4: is actually in a pretty solid range. It's not special,

970
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 4: but it's pretty solid. Like again enough to project him

971
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 4: into that slot role. Just how well do you catch

972
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 4: a football, which for Jaden Higgins is actually strength of

973
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 4: his game. No drops in the game's charter for reception

974
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 4: perception got a little He's got to not do the

975
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 4: alligator arm thing at the catch point, Like we don't

976
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 4: need the ninety degree angle, Like let's extend that's a

977
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 4: wingspan to the complete capability. But it's something I think

978
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 4: he could probably improve on. But especially now with the

979
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 4: NFL being a league that wants to limit big plays

980
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 4: and put a put a top on the you know,

981
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 4: put the top on the defense and not allow those

982
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 4: explosive players at the top. Can you be somebody that

983
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 4: when we get the ball in your hands, is going

984
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 4: to do something useful with it, And I actually think

985
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 4: in this class there's a lot of players that present

986
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 4: as pretty interesting yards after catch and tackle breaking receivers.

987
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 4: So what you do in space is more important now

988
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 4: to me than it ever has been.

989
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: So I really want to get your thoughts on a

990
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: player like Jalen Nolan, Like, I really love that he's

991
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 2: able to be quick in his routes and his breaks,

992
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 2: But where does he honestly fit best at because we

993
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: see him trying to play outside and then I understand

994
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: that he will probably be really successful in the slot,

995
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: But where would be the best fit team wise? Where

996
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: he will be able to succeed in the NFL.

997
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 4: Team wise is really interesting because, Yeah, Jalen Nole is

998
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 4: my guy. I For as much as I'm skeptical of

999
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 4: Jade Niggins, I'm very very in on Jalen Nole. Let's go,

1000
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 4: We're good. Yeah, seventy four point five percent success rate

1001
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 4: verse man coverage puts him in the range of like

1002
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 4: where Lad McConkey was last year. He actually compares overall

1003
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 4: very similar to Josh Downs. In Josh Downs's prospect profile,

1004
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 4: I still can't believe the damn NFL allowed Josh Downs

1005
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 4: to go to the seventy ninth selection to the Colts

1006
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 4: just now producing a bunch of dudes that that went

1007
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 4: ahead of him. What a what a joke. And so

1008
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 4: that that's sort of the type of player. I think

1009
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 4: that Jalen Nole can be probably a slot mostly but

1010
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 4: not a slot only player, because he shows you the

1011
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 4: ability to beat man coverage and especially it's the way

1012
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 4: that he does it, Like he is very much in

1013
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 4: the vertical slot archetype. Like there are some guys that

1014
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 4: are kind of those I call like pop gun or

1015
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 4: bunny hop slot receivers, you know, where you're gonna get

1016
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 4: the ball in their hands and like on the short

1017
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 4: and underneath stuff. I actually think Nole can get down

1018
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 4: the field from the slot. So in terms of teams

1019
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 4: that he would fit on, I haven't really I haven't

1020
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 4: really found a good one yet, because like it's got

1021
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 4: to be a quarterback who can take advantage of the

1022
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 4: deep area of the field. And you know, I think

1023
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 4: Jacksonville potentially you just lost Christian Kirk. That's somewhat that's

1024
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 4: somebody that I could see you know, him fitting there.

1025
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 4: Tennessee with cam Ward is going to want to take

1026
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 4: those chances, although I think cam Ward, you know, might

1027
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 4: push for them to reunite in with Kyle Williams, who's

1028
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 4: another really good prospect in this class that used to

1029
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 4: play with at Washington State. The office coordinator from Tennessee,

1030
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 4: Nichols used to coach Kyle Williams at un LV, So

1031
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 4: that's one connection that I think might end up happening.

1032
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 4: But yeah, somewhere where it's a we need a slot receiver,

1033
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 4: but we're not just like a quick hitting offense who

1034
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 4: can actually take advantage of vertical concepts would be the

1035
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 4: spot for nol One.

1036
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: I love that you've already You've already just put cam

1037
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: Ward in Tennessee, Like that's just it's settled.

1038
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 4: I know you, I know you guys work for the NFL,

1039
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 4: and like we got to just drag this out. It

1040
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 4: seems like every insider can't stop reporting about like, oh this,

1041
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 4: this prospects visiting here, like chadors take a lot of visits.

1042
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 4: We got to keep this interesting. We know who the

1043
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: first pick is. Let's just get to the event. Already

1044
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 4: you would think.

1045
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: So, but you know, even still, the Titans are going

1046
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: to take every last second of the clock before they

1047
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: handed the card. Roger Goodell like, we're gonna draw this

1048
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: thing out, but I think it's interally you you mentioned

1049
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: a quarterback because I'm gonna go sort of off menu

1050
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: here because I know one of the things that you

1051
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: and I have talked about is that in the process

1052
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: of charting wide receivers you also sort of inadvertently get

1053
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: to evaluate a lot of quarterback play. I know, a

1054
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: couple of years ago you were sort of that big

1055
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: on the quarterback play at the college level. What you've

1056
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: seen in the last year or two, has it gotten better?

1057
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: Are there guys that we should be you know, sort

1058
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: of keeping one eye open for. I mean, I just

1059
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: want Matt harmon State of the Union on quarterback play

1060
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: in college having watched a lot of it, Oh my god,

1061
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: it it's so it's not great. I was charting Tye

1062
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: Felton or yeah, Tye Felton from Maryland earlier this week,

1063
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: and I was just like, what is going on?

1064
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 4: Like a quarterback? I don't even know, but it wasn't

1065
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 4: fun to watch. Now, Honestly, it's less Marcus about the

1066
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 4: quarterback play now, and it's more so about the structures

1067
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 4: of some of these offenses that's just tough to get through.

1068
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 4: I'm talking about a guy, Jalen Jalen Royals from this

1069
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 4: class at a Utah State. Dude, I started a Utah

1070
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 4: State versus Jmu game. I mean unbelievable stuff Jmu Road

1071
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 4: here in Virginia actually, but I mean that offense, like

1072
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 4: he is truly lining up on one side of the

1073
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 4: field in one position and he is, I swear to God,

1074
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 4: running like fifty percent curls and slants. It's just so rudimentary,

1075
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 4: like the spacing is weird. So honestly, tell us about

1076
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 4: the quarterback play for me now, and it's more about

1077
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 4: like which offense is grinding my gears. Utah State is

1078
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 4: definitely up there after this process.

1079
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 3: You mentioned Kyle Woyam. I'm talking about cam Ward and

1080
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: I'm happy you did because I like him a lot.

1081
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 3: I think he is one of these receivers who could

1082
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: win downfield, but like you say, it's so important he

1083
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 3: could win after the catch as well. I'm wondering what

1084
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: caught you'rer with Kyle Williams and where does he kind

1085
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 3: of slot in this class for you?

1086
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really like Kyle Williams. He would be like

1087
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 4: a priority second round pick to me, somebody that I

1088
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 4: actually think he's going to go higher than people think.

1089
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 4: I was making this connection yesterday on Football three to

1090
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 4: zero one with Nate Tye. I posted the video on

1091
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 4: Twitter today where like it's it's on my radar that

1092
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 4: as soon as the combine ends, and usually this is

1093
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 4: right about you guys know how the sausage is made,

1094
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 4: Like everybody says this. The media is always catching up

1095
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 4: to what the NFL teams actually think, and it was

1096
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 4: on my radar that kind of like right after the combine,

1097
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 4: a lot of like big name analysts start being like,

1098
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 4: you know, it's really good Kyle Williams. He really Williams

1099
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 4: is rising up my board. That usually means like, oh,

1100
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 4: teams have liked Kyle Williams all along. So when I

1101
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 4: charted him, I think the things that stood out to me.

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00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 4: You mentioned a couple of them. One that he is

1103
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 4: a much better tackle breaker than somebody of that size

1104
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 4: would indicate. And he plays a lot of outside X receiver,

1105
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 4: and he's pretty good against press coverage, especially working on

1106
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 4: some of these underneath routes. So I typically have been

1107
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 4: honestly too high on this type. So I'm trying not

1108
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 4: to get over my skis on Kyle Williams because he's

1109
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 4: one of these like smaller separators, and I have defth

1110
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 4: like Elijah Moore, Jayden Reid, this is like my type

1111
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 4: of receiver that I end up getting a little too

1112
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 4: high on. So I'm trying to keep myself measured with Williams.

1113
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 4: But he definitely has a lot of uses after the

1114
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 4: catch in a way that, like you know, Jayden Reid,

1115
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 4: who has been a good round, a good second round

1116
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 4: pick for the Packers. People in fantasy are just frustrated

1117
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 4: with him because he hasn't consistently been on the field

1118
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 4: and you know, maybe he got a little too overhyped

1119
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 4: at times. But he's a guy that is really good

1120
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 4: with the ball in his hands and can win on

1121
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 4: his routes. And that skill set for me with Kyle

1122
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 4: Williams is something I think a lot of teams are

1123
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 4: going to be really interesting, and especially top of the

1124
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 4: second round.

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00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 3: Man.

1126
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 4: Like I mentioned that Tennessee Titans fit that one stands

1127
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 4: out to me New England at the sixth pick in

1128
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 4: the second round, like they want somebody with yards after

1129
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 4: catchability who can win outside and I do think Williams

1130
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 4: checks that box.

1131
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 2: So I want to get your thoughts on a guy

1132
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: that I recently just found upon eleck Iomanner, and I

1133
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, he might be one of the

1134
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 2: guys that might surprise from folks. So what are your

1135
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: thoughts on him and what he could do at the

1136
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: next level?

1137
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: Dude?

1138
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 4: Is he not like a perfect Packers wide receiver? He

1139
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 4: is such a Packers receiver number one. He checks their

1140
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 4: their size thresholds. He's over two hundred pounds, he's over

1141
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 4: six feet. Reid is actually the only guy that they've

1142
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 4: reached under those thresholds for recently. And of course like

1143
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 4: right after you drafted, like no, I'm one hundred and

1144
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 4: ninety pounds, Like well, we've been one eighty five year

1145
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 4: entire career. But anyway, so he's he checks the sizes

1146
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 4: that they want. He actually does flash the ability to

1147
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 4: beat man coverage. He's a great run blocker. He's one

1148
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 4: of the better blocking receivers in this class. Problem is

1149
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:01,959
Speaker 4: can't catch so has hands in issues. His contestant catchability

1150
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 4: is a little bit hit or miss. So to me,

1151
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 4: I think he is a good developmental X receiver. It's

1152
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 4: he's still kind of growing into football as well. He

1153
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 4: you know, came from Canada, Like he's still kind of

1154
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 4: yeah right exactly, So I think he's still a developing player.

1155
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 4: I would I would think like you might actually get

1156
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 4: on the field pretty early.

1157
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 1: Honestly.

1158
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 4: It's pretty similar to like Romeo Dobbs, who was a

1159
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 4: reliable player who blocked really well and was gritty, and

1160
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 4: he got on the field early for the Packers, and

1161
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 4: then by year three it's like, Okay, we've cut out

1162
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 4: some of the mistakes with Romeo Dobbs. He's not dropping

1163
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 4: as many passes, He's not uh, he's not making as

1164
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 4: many mistakes against press coverage off the line. And I

1165
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 4: feel like Elic Iomanner might be a guy who gets

1166
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 4: an early role and then grows as a target earner

1167
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 4: over the first three to four years of his career.

1168
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: Love that I when I when I look at him,

1169
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: when I read about him, I sort of settle on

1170
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: another former Stanford guy, that being JJ R. Sega Whiteside,

1171
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: another guy who yeah, but like coming again. Now I

1172
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: think he's in Canada now, I don't even think he's

1173
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: playing in the NFL.

1174
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 4: Well he was. I think he went NFL receiver tight

1175
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 4: end Canada, which is not a good pipeline.

1176
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean because but he was a guy and look,

1177
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: admittedly you know some of this. You know, you know,

1178
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: you see things and anecdotally, like I watched him high

1179
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: point balls against small USC quarters for multiple years and

1180
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 1: like thought, man, this dude's really gonna be something. And

1181
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: he had like odd odd game with the Eagles that

1182
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: was that was noteworthy. Maybe I omn or is a

1183
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: little bit better, but that's that's the place that my

1184
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: mind went immediately. Harman Pal always get to talk to you.

1185
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: I would think that if anybody is listening to this podcast,

1186
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: they know where to find you. But yeah, maybe there's

1187
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: somebody who's never heard of Matthew Harmon before, in which case,

1188
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: where can they become more acquainted with you.

1189
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can find me Matt Harmon Underscore b YB

1190
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 4: on Twitter, you can find me on Blue Sky just

1191
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 4: at Matt Harmon. So they shout out to that and

1192
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 4: of course think we're doing Yahoo. We've got a draft

1193
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 4: show coming up during the NFL Draft night one night too,

1194
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1196
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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I love it. I'm a big fan of

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Speaker 1: a subscriber, long time subscriber. Love the charts.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate it, guys.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I also saw I don't know if

1203
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 1: you saw. I saw our ple JJ zachar reeson who

1204
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: we had on last week. He resurrected the boy Young

1205
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: boy meme that that that came up again.

1206
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 4: Oh well, I mean, when you get something good like that,

1207
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 4: you gotta you gotta continue to hit it. So I

1208
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 4: get JJ's you know, he's he's a good young up

1209
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 4: and coming kind of like m in the industry, you

1210
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 4: know he does. He's obviously trying to make a name

1211
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 4: for himself and and sort of using my fame to

1212
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 4: h to kind of ride my coattails. I I do

1213
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 4: understand where he's coming from there.

1214
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, completely completely understand it. You know that maybe

1215
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: maybe one day this lay round quarterback thing we'll catch on.

1216
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 4: Who knows, Yeah, maybe, I don't know. But other but

1217
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 4: he seems like a nice guy. I don't know too

1218
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 4: much about him.

1219
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: Pal is always good to talk to you. I'm sure

1220
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: you and I will chat via Slack sometime real soon.

1221
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: But take care, man, we'll talk again soon.

1222
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 4: Yes, I'll be in LA next week, so I hope

1223
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 4: to see you.

1224
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Let's make sure we actually break beers in person.

1225
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: That would be fantastic. As for all of you out there,

1226
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: we do appreciate you hanging out with us. We back

1227
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: with you on Thursday. We'll talk some more wide receivers

1228
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: and continue to get you ready for the actual NFL

1229
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: Draft coming up in a little more than a week.

1230
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: But in meantime, that'll do it for this edition of

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Speaker 1: the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Stay happy, safe and healthy,

1232
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 1: do good and live well. Enjoy today everybody. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: to again on Thursday. Wow, I don't know