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Speaker 1: This is the I m Rapp before podcast. My name

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Speaker 1: is Michael Rapp. I'm in here with hip hop Royalty.

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Speaker 1: He is You know that this word legend is thrown

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Speaker 1: around a lot, but he's a legend. He is revered.

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Speaker 1: And I've never even seen your face, but I've heard

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Speaker 1: the one song many many, many times, and it is

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Speaker 1: the gentleman in here is Tiske Valley. Tiske Valley is

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Speaker 1: in the building. That's right, Mike, I'm here. What's going on?

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Speaker 1: What's the deal man? Nothing? Man? I like that one hits.

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Speaker 1: I like what people tell you that I got one

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Speaker 1: here because there's a lot of guys out I know

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Speaker 1: that I've been doing this just quite as long as

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Speaker 1: I have and don't have any hits. Ship. That's right. Now.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, telling people if they

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Speaker 1: don't know what the name of your your your what

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Speaker 1: people most know Tiskey Valley for. Well, here in the States,

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Speaker 1: they know me for My song called cash to Beat

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Speaker 1: uh kester Beat came out in nineteen eighty. Um, I

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Speaker 1: couldn't sell it in nineteen eighty. I hustled it on

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Speaker 1: the street to forty second Street that music factory. Nobody

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Speaker 1: would buy it. I was out there before hookers everybody.

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Speaker 1: I was out in the street with my records, and

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Speaker 1: it didn't take off to Mr Magic grabbed the whole

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Speaker 1: of it. All Right, Wait a second, you just said

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get to Mr Machic. We gotta keep the

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Speaker 1: bullet points general. Didn't here, we're sharing the MIC's general

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Speaker 1: to get on there. In a second. G Moody, my

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Speaker 1: now infamous co host, I'm back in full effect. All right.

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Speaker 1: So nineteen eighty you make Catch the Beat. Tell me

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Speaker 1: about how Catch the Beat was made? Kester Beat was made.

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Speaker 1: I was producing a group called Just the Four MCS

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Speaker 1: with a gentleman named Brad Osborne who owned a record

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Speaker 1: store called Brad's Record. Then, um, I told him I couldn't,

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Speaker 1: I could m C. We wasn't saying rapping. Then you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm m C. I can come out in MC. So

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Speaker 1: he's like, na, na, no, no, no, no, find me

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Speaker 1: one of your guys. So I got a group together

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Speaker 1: called Just the four And who was in that tricky

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Speaker 1: t Imperial j C who was actually cool, DJ Herks

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Speaker 1: dj uh c C and a guy at Little j Alright,

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Speaker 1: So these guys were in the studio and we put

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Speaker 1: the track together called Girls in the World, and they

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Speaker 1: was doing that. When there was a break and they

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Speaker 1: was finished, I asked the band Wayne Bradwayne Barry Eastman,

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Speaker 1: who writes for Anita Baker. I said, I had the

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Speaker 1: heartbeat in my in my mind, but I said, just

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Speaker 1: put a little jazz to it. You had heartbeat in

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Speaker 1: my mind. The beat beat, right, but we we just

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Speaker 1: switched it up and yeah, and just made it a

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Speaker 1: jazz beat. So I made a jazz beata as they

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Speaker 1: were doing it. I was drinking cold forty five. How

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Speaker 1: old are you at this time? Eighteen and you're from

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Speaker 1: the Bronx. We're in the Bronx to nineteen Street and

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Speaker 1: white Planes roll uptown, brons off a gunhell, I went

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Speaker 1: to vander Child's High School. All right, now, keep going.

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Speaker 1: So you're eighteen years old. You was drinking a little cold,

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Speaker 1: and you told you told the band star Rock Rockey Hartey.

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Speaker 1: I had the bass player played the boot boo boo,

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Speaker 1: and then the drummer just followed in with the kick.

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Speaker 1: And then once everybody started playing, the culled me and

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Speaker 1: turn the mica and had nothing written and I just said,

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Speaker 1: ha ha. Grand group grab just choed out the record

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Speaker 1: label that we made up. We were the record label

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Speaker 1: we just started called the Grand Group. Whoo a grand group,

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Speaker 1: Grand Group. That's the beat. So the beach playing the

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Speaker 1: beat that we know today, the beat was playing. And

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Speaker 1: what I did is because because just because she's a

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Speaker 1: circle of friends, all of us, you know, it was

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Speaker 1: it was all of us out there. Linky Bryans, Wayne,

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Speaker 1: you know, I just got goose bunks when you said

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Speaker 1: that ship, that ship gave me fucking straight up. So

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Speaker 1: it was buns. When the song started playing, I just

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Speaker 1: signaled to Bob Blank, Bob Lank, Bob Blank, you know

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Speaker 1: Kenny Blank. You know who is that? Kenny Blank is

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Speaker 1: the little guy that played in the super was on

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Speaker 1: the Parenthood Parenthood and his parent, who was Robert Townsen,

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Speaker 1: he was okay okay, His father was the engineer. They

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Speaker 1: had Lang studios. Okay, okay, okay. He was the engineer.

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Speaker 1: His follows the engineer. So as the song is playing,

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Speaker 1: and I said, who Grand group, Grand Group. Guys just

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Speaker 1: spelled the limbit. It's the g R. At the end

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Speaker 1: of D I said the g R O I spelled

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Speaker 1: grand Grow. I left the our quote forty five kicking

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Speaker 1: as that's the g all need the end, the D,

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Speaker 1: the the eat, the eat, the D, the tea, the

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Speaker 1: grand group beat in Joe Bi t I to be

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Speaker 1: as that was happening, and I ran out of words

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Speaker 1: to say. I just said, catch you bet, and I

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Speaker 1: just waited until I could think of something else. I said,

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Speaker 1: it's the B B E E A A T T

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Speaker 1: T T that's the beating that step back a minute again,

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Speaker 1: and then came up with another line. So everything was

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Speaker 1: just gone. So I was like, I think I did

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Speaker 1: something wrong sales. There's too much magic in the song.

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Speaker 1: Don't change anything, just leave it one take. We took

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Speaker 1: it none. So if you want to say that's my

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Speaker 1: first freestyle scricket, you know I never had it. I

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Speaker 1: never wrote, never wrote a lyric on a piece of paper. Yo.

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Speaker 1: That is a fucking great story. Many when you play

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Speaker 1: the song, you see there's an old miss and the

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Speaker 1: groove it's as grand grove. But I guess I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: nobody paying attention to it. So you guys rock for

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Speaker 1: the duration of the song that we know it was.

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Speaker 1: Actually when you're instrumental, I think we've had two minutes

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Speaker 1: EXTI instrumental on it. Uh, it's actually seven minutes rocking

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Speaker 1: straight through and the band is rocking live. And so

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Speaker 1: when you're like, this is t Skee, I'm not quite through,

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Speaker 1: I got another funky briefly this Oh so they didn't

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Speaker 1: have the boot boo. So what I did is I

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Speaker 1: put the mic to my heart. No, I put the

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Speaker 1: mic to my heart. Get out of here, and they

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Speaker 1: sped it up on a machine. Yo, get the funk

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Speaker 1: out of here, went true story And now T Skeep,

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Speaker 1: I'm not quite through. I got another fun break for you.

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Speaker 1: Hit I I really truly have booth bumps right now,

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Speaker 1: like I'm bugging out here in this story because this

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Speaker 1: story because for those of you who know the song,

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Speaker 1: you know how important it is. And I'm not being

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Speaker 1: like we know you don't know. But for those of

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Speaker 1: you who don't know the song, download the song, YouTube

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Speaker 1: the song, catch the beat by Tiski Valley and you'll

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Speaker 1: hear a song that to me is so synonymously, so

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Speaker 1: purely hip hop, and it's purest form like it's it's

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Speaker 1: like and just the way you told me that story

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Speaker 1: the way, and it makes sense that you couldn't contrive

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Speaker 1: obviously it's not like you could sugarcoat some ship like that.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, I was thinking of things. So

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Speaker 1: I spelled beat backwards. It's the team that either beating

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Speaker 1: the body. He spelled still got beat. It's still not beat.

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Speaker 1: It spelled something different. But that's what just came out.

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Speaker 1: Forty five works all the time. It helped Billy's career.

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Speaker 1: So it took my mind. Well, so yo t yo.

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Speaker 1: When I first heard the drum roll do Do Do Do,

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Speaker 1: that is what set it off for me, man like,

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Speaker 1: and everybody loves that song, everybody. I heard it last night.

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Speaker 1: DJ Hollywood played it and he played it like like

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Speaker 1: for like four minutes. You know, it's just a beautiful song.

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Speaker 1: And it was funny about that is most of the

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Speaker 1: MC battles back then that you had one tape. Everybody's

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Speaker 1: battling off a cash to beat. Even when you go

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Speaker 1: back to the Cold Crush and when you listen to

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Speaker 1: Busy being the mode they're battling off cast to beat.

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Speaker 1: You know, and it's funny because I'm supposed to perform

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Speaker 1: there with them, but they didn't play the song so

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Speaker 1: many times if nobody was to hear you know, after that,

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Speaker 1: bees rocking off the cold cress is doing a routine.

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Speaker 1: Offer fantastic doing a cold cause then come up like

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Speaker 1: you want me to do the song? And then you know,

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Speaker 1: so you know it's crazy. You you cut the song,

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Speaker 1: you record the song once and then and then you're

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Speaker 1: you're in a session for something else that's going on.

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Speaker 1: How how has that become like a record if it

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Speaker 1: was almost just like something that may or may not

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Speaker 1: have even been recorded. It could have been just if

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Speaker 1: easy like never happened right after we did the just

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Speaker 1: before after we recorded cast the beat that was pushed

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Speaker 1: to the side. Well then that that was shell for

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Speaker 1: a couple of months and eighty and then we came

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Speaker 1: with another group called the Chapter three m c s.

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Speaker 1: And as the Chapter three came out and we started pressing,

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Speaker 1: you know, we started pressing. I said, you listen, why

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Speaker 1: we put that that catching beef thing? I did that

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Speaker 1: So we finally pressed it. So I had boxes of

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Speaker 1: stand some music factory trying to sell them. They bought

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Speaker 1: the just A four, they bought The Girls of the World,

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Speaker 1: they bought Chapter three. They wouldn't buy a cast to Beat.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't sell it, so brainstorm and now we have

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Speaker 1: Mr Magic on W L I B go to Magic,

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Speaker 1: so listen, we wanted to play this song. We try

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Speaker 1: to offer moneys and can't take money, but oh ship

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Speaker 1: can't take money. So what we did is we advertised

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Speaker 1: Brad's record, then put the music hast to be underneath

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Speaker 1: it for the commercial. And I had all my friends

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Speaker 1: calling in the neighborhod Yo calling asked me, with the

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Speaker 1: name of that song is under the under that? So

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Speaker 1: as people call, said Yo saying that song playing under

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Speaker 1: that that that track there, He's like, oh, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So he went to Brad, said Brad what the song said,

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Speaker 1: It's called cash the Beat. Yeah, I need that. So

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Speaker 1: Mr Magic guy who started to put it on a

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Speaker 1: regular rotation on L I B W I b W Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mr Magic and and and what was the What was

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Speaker 1: the first time that you heard that song on the radio.

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Speaker 1: The first time I heard it? Um, I think the

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Speaker 1: first time I was on BLS was real short, it

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Speaker 1: was real show. But I was like, Yo, they played

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Speaker 1: my song. I went outside, Yo, they played my song

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Speaker 1: on the radio. They're like yeah, yeah, yeah. Then somebody

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Speaker 1: came in and said, Yo, you know the guy guy

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Speaker 1: on named T skis using your using your word, um,

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Speaker 1: your name. He got a record out called cash to Beat.

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Speaker 1: I said, that's a mend to you. Now this is

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Speaker 1: another dude. He don't sound like you. T I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you this a guy named T Scares Like that's I'll say, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll be playing at the skate key with Mary Thomas,

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Speaker 1: my mom, what was it, Paco and them and Jocko

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Speaker 1: from We had the Scare Kids ninety two kids k

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Speaker 1: K to you. So I was doing a thing from

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Speaker 1: muscular Discopy and I went to I'm gonna your head

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Speaker 1: up in one second. I did that, and I told

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Speaker 1: my friends come on by that. Now we're gonna go

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Speaker 1: see this guy T Skills. You're gonna be upset. I

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Speaker 1: got there, I walked in, they see me and stay

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Speaker 1: like yo, can you give me tickets? You can't get tickets.

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Speaker 1: market Day, Swinging My Way, Jeff Read, you called and

426
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Speaker 1: told me, and then these songs become not only that,

427
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,239
Speaker 1: then there in movie tracks. You you're into that when

428
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,160
Speaker 1: I said there, I see my name on the scream like, damn,

429
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm not in the movie. But Jeff Read singing a

430
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 1: song sample the samples Tisky Valley. So my song has

431
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 1: been sampled forty two times? Holy Ship? Who else is

432
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 1: sampled it? Uh? Prince Marcane, Swing My Way? Um? Um

433
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 1: Grandmaster Flash twice? Jeff Red, you called into of you

434
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 1: called in told me that? Um sweet tea alcoholics. What's

435
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 1: the dynamic? Three request alcoholics? The request line, DJH, Yeah,

436
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: they's playing scratched to pet in there. Um. I'll have

437
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 1: a site that says, if you go to who sample Tiskey,

438
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 1: I'll say you all forty two people that sampled it

439
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: and your wildest imagination of hip hop? Would you ever

440
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: of imagine that hip hop would turn out to be

441
00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 1: as enormously popular like jay Z? I never thought they

442
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: were gotten this far. I never would have all gotten

443
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 1: this far. How successful in like eighty three, How big

444
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: of a star with Curtis Blow, he was. Curtis Blow

445
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: was the biggest MC star out at that time. Everybody, everybody,

446
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,959
Speaker 1: He's on Mercury and he had hits, and he had

447
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: he had the brakes. He had the album called the

448
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: Dude day Dreaming playing Basketball. He had and that, and

449
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 1: and Billy Warren, his boy is the one that did

450
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: a lot of the writing. You know. Billy Bill did

451
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff like that. And he had Range

452
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 1: Crush Band was great. He had Larry Smith. It was

453
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: a good musician, Orange Crush Band. They had members on

454
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: the head that drunk called Action. I want Action. That's

455
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 1: Larry Smith. That's yeah, that's Arms Crush. And didn't Larry

456
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: Smith do Hudini too? Yeah yeah yo. So yeah. Then

457
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: then Jo became another major player that a lot of

458
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: people came to them. The Modi never was on ship.

459
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: He went him enjoy and went to job specific. Question

460
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: were you at because you said the uh catch the

461
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: beat was playing during Kumo D and Bruce E b

462
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: busy Bees, busy Bees. Sorry that battle get the funk

463
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: out of here. Who wasn't there if you wasn't there,

464
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: and I think it was three dollars to get in there.

465
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,479
Speaker 1: I think I haven't paid to getting the party man

466
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: since I think like seventies seven, seventy eight. Yeah, I mean,

467
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, I was there. I saw I saw it.

468
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: I'm there in the front and what did you see?

469
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 1: What was it? That's another dock. We're gonna do a

470
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: dock on that. That battle. The whole thing is um that.

471
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: What I saw was Busy Bee doing busy. Busy Bees

472
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: the chief rocker. He's a crowd pleaser. He's one of

473
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Speaker 1: the best to ever do it. And he went up

474
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: against m C. There was a beast, a straight rhyming.

475
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: That's a difference. Busy Bee. He rocked the crowd. He

476
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 1: did rock the crowd. But he need to go get

477
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: to me. Did all mix because he MODI is a

478
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: different type of m C. He's not. He's not he's

479
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: not a party MC. He's a straight He's a straight beast,

480
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: you know. And he came on Busy did this thing. First,

481
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: Yeah it was good, but then modif just came on

482
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: like just when you he started rhyme and you're just

483
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: like looking at him and he just like what what

484
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: the hell? Oh my god? What does he say? And

485
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: he's like, man, I mean, the whole thing is one

486
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: thing about hip hop is you can't write about hip hop.

487
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: I mean the old school hip hop came out, you

488
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: had to be there. It's a feeling, you know what

489
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: I mean. It's just something you have to you have

490
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: to experience. And the whole thing now is a lot

491
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: of these concerts that these mcs that you see the rappers, now,

492
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get that feeling like, oh I went

493
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: to this concert and it was It's not that you

494
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 1: have to be you need to go in the park.

495
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: Like to break Out had one of the best I'm

496
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: gonna saying the best system in the Bronx break Out.

497
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: He had system was called Sasquash. Now, you know where

498
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: you live at in White Planes Roll. If you came

499
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: down to Laconia Avenue and you stopped and there's no

500
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: cause coming by and you could listen and break up

501
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: would be about blocks further down the hill and you

502
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: can hear the base. I know exactly what you're talking about.

503
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: In the valley that is far man. Did you put

504
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: your ear up and go, y'all break out in the park.

505
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: They tell the projects. The world goes around and you

506
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: see people like like it's rush y'all and they're just

507
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: going down to him park be flooded. I want to

508
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: go back to the fucking cool Modiva battle. Was he

509
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: fucked up? Who busy? No? But you know what he

510
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, was he fucked up? Was he like,

511
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: oh ship because he's like nah nah stop stop. Yeah,

512
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: he was just I mean like it was like an onslaught.

513
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: I mean, as you the way I've seen it, it

514
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: didn't look like MODI written it because the way he

515
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: just came out, it was like a freestyle type thing.

516
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: So you think he was just rocking. Just he just

517
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: killed to me, to me, he just killed everybody. It

518
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: wasn't written. And how many people are in the club.

519
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing is if there was a battle,

520
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know there was gonna be a battle. No

521
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: one said anything about Nobody said, oh busy bees Battance

522
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: said that wasn't playing. I didn't know nothing about it.

523
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: We just said, hey, we're going to Hall and World.

524
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: And then the whole thing is every time they had

525
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: MC cords is Busy he used to win, so a

526
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: lot of people just thought it was rigged. So then

527
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: when they just all of a sudden, so they're gonna

528
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: have this MC battle and Busy he's gonna walk away

529
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: with the crown again. Modi's in here, that's you know so?

530
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: And how old is everybody? I had to be I

531
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: had to be sixteen, fifteen six? And how old is Modi?

532
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: MODI might be a year old or year younger than man.

533
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: So you're teenagers. We was in in our twenties. Nowhere,

534
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: nowhere there your kids' wait wait, no, no, wrong. I

535
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: was nineteen because kesty Beat was out because they was

536
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: rocking off. But there's seventeen. There's kids, and it's not

537
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: like grown men. What was Harlem like in eighty three?

538
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: Like what was it? What was the feeling of Harlem?

539
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: What was the spirit of Harlem? What was the what

540
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: was the Bronx? Like you know like every every every

541
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: girl has a reputation, so specifically, like what was Harlem?

542
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: Like the Bronx and Harlem? Basically I'm telling ruins. Look,

543
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: Iraq just burnt down. It was just you know a

544
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: lot of drug use. You know there's a lot of drugs.

545
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: I mean, uh weed, um, I think it wasn't even cracked.

546
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 1: Then it was called free basing people with free basin,

547
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: um coke, um weed, the hardest hard spot, chunky black

548
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: Colombian goal and all that kind of stuff. I mean,

549
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: the the the vanilla envelopes. It was just it was

550
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: just it was just tore up and people just I mean,

551
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: the music was an outlet. You can go to a

552
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: party early in the daytime in the park and rock

553
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: to the night, go home, throw your leads on your

554
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: sneakers and go to Hall and World t Connections, Sparkle,

555
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: Start Us and and and rock rock all night. I

556
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: mean these clubs bigger small back then for us it

557
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: was big. You said that whole about three people, you know, teenagers, Yeah,

558
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: and we you know, you might have a fitsch fight

559
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: and you get thrown out, you know what I mean.

560
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: But as far as people really getting killed and stuff

561
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: like that, that wasn't happening. I mean, you had we

562
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: had so many nice spots, man, I said. I mean,

563
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: if I could do it, if I could do it over,

564
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: I make sure I get a video camera and some

565
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: kind of old camera eight millimited whatever they used and

566
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: feeling what I did. That way I could be with

567
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: the rest of these guys, you know. But I would

568
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: never take anything back to that day right now. I

569
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: mean I had a great ride. If it wasn't for

570
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: that music, hast to be over it and I would

571
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,239
Speaker 1: have been half of places I went, Oh this is uh.

572
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: I am Rappaport podcast for t Ski Valley and wet

573
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: and everybody. So glad you're here. Old, the people in

574
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: the front, the people in the rear when you came,

575
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: intend to do and you despecting the seat grand groove

576
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: from the ceremony on the Capitol t acid Tech, I

577
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: got the temple eat Witch Pop was at the back

578
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: of the anst the King and the I'm the liting Roman,

579
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: so I'm the cool fly guy. I'm the Lady Chase,

580
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: so I'm the rhyme creator. When I say it, dead

581
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: frying freaking never here one greater like a himp hop

582
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: a little here Rod. Listen to the Tisci Wallaba spot.

583
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