Speaker 1: Hm mm hmmm, mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to all the smoke. We in New York.
Speaker 3: And wow it's been a minute. We have half a minute.
Speaker 3: Oh it's your turn. You got the sweaty palms this time.
Speaker 4: No, that was you. I was just gonna that was
Speaker 4: definitely you had. That was you.
Speaker 2: Shake Mike's hand, them are moist, right, I was regular right.
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna lie to you if I needed to
Speaker 5: seal an envelope for both of y'all, just shake y'all
Speaker 5: hand and do like that, and I seal.
Speaker 4: The envelope both of y'all. Little moist man New York
Speaker 4: got y'all. It wasn't moist. You know, he sweating. I'll
Speaker 4: be nervous when we have yet. You blame that shit
Speaker 4: on me.
Speaker 2: You've bamed my hands wet to shake his motherfucker anyway. Man,
Speaker 2: Today we like to welcome to the show super Bowl champ,
Speaker 2: co host of Good Morning America, and a Fox Sports analyst,
Speaker 2: the one and only man Michael Strahan. Thank you for
Speaker 2: being here. I appreciate it, MANE really I just wanted
Speaker 2: before we get going, man, I just want to commend you.
Speaker 2: I think you've really been an inspiration for a lot
Speaker 2: of us the way you've been able to have a
Speaker 2: successful career but then switching to the media space to
Speaker 2: be very successful in sports within crossover in main street media,
Speaker 2: and that's very hard to do and you've done that
Speaker 2: very gracefully. And you know when people ask, like, oh,
Speaker 2: who do you look up to in this space? Man,
Speaker 2: You're the one, I say, so what? That kind of
Speaker 2: freaks me out.
Speaker 5: Do I Aint gonna lie to you because I've talked
Speaker 5: to you before about this and Jack, I saw you
Speaker 5: at the boxing man, like a week or so ago,
Speaker 5: and you know, you kind of just start doing your thing.
Speaker 5: You don't even think about who's watching or whatever. And
Speaker 5: especially when you're a football player that you guys are
Speaker 5: playing basketball and I'll watch you guy both fourteen years
Speaker 5: in the NBA, both championships and I'm watching that.
Speaker 4: So to have you tube.
Speaker 5: Say that to me kind of makes me feel like,
Speaker 5: what the hell is going on? Like this don't seem right,
Speaker 5: But I appreciate it, man, and what you guys are doing.
Speaker 5: I'm in the transition that you've made and you know,
Speaker 5: it's not easy. It takes a lot of hard work,
Speaker 5: and y'all are putting in the work and now you
Speaker 5: got this show amongst the other things that you're doing.
Speaker 5: And it's a testament to just where you're willing to
Speaker 5: work and your personality in the fact that people want
Speaker 5: to listen to you because you got something to say.
Speaker 2: First and foremost absolutely so appreciate how she's off season.
Speaker 2: Right now? What are your day?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: What are your days like? These days?
Speaker 5: You know, a well a gma. Every morning I'm talking
Speaker 5: at five five listen to Bill Wetherson listening to Bill
Speaker 5: Withers's Lovely Day. You got to convince yourself when it
Speaker 5: ain't a lovely day sometimes to get up.
Speaker 4: So I'm up at five every day.
Speaker 5: I got to read my notes, take a shower, get
Speaker 5: in the car, and get to the studio. And now
Speaker 5: once I get in the student I'm running. So it's
Speaker 5: not like I get there to give me a couple
Speaker 5: of coffee, close the door, let me get my thoughts together.
Speaker 5: It's literally you hit the I hit the door like
Speaker 5: hair makeup, change, change my outfit. And by six point
Speaker 5: forty one, I'm sitting in front of a chair telling
Speaker 5: Chicago what's coming up.
Speaker 4: And then I go.
Speaker 5: Downstairs and right when I walk in the door, though
Speaker 5: I have to do like coming up on GMA to
Speaker 5: day we got blah blah blah blah blah, we do
Speaker 5: all those voiceovers and then seven and nine. It's just NonStop,
Speaker 5: man constantly changing. It's so different from sports. It's so
Speaker 5: different from doing entertainment. When I did that, when I
Speaker 5: feel doing I took over for Regis and did the
Speaker 5: show with Kelly. It's the most difficult thing I've ever done.
Speaker 5: But also at the same time, it's fulfilling because I'm
Speaker 5: learning stuff every day.
Speaker 4: I'm more attached to what's going on in the world.
Speaker 5: And it's not just like one lane of doing one thing,
Speaker 5: and it's a challenge and I'm like doing a compete.
Speaker 5: Don't think you can do it. We're not supposed to
Speaker 5: be able to do certain things. So for me, what
Speaker 5: motivates me is to be able to do things that
Speaker 5: kind of show people that as an athlete, as a
Speaker 5: black man, as a young black man, as a fut like,
Speaker 5: I can do other things outside of hit somebody who's
Speaker 5: carrying football, right, and y'all can do more than just drimming.
Speaker 5: You know, it's shooting dump right. We're bigger than that
Speaker 5: we're more than that.
Speaker 2: How do you keep the balance, because, like you said,
Speaker 2: there is no really all seasons. So sometimes you have GMA,
Speaker 2: then you got the NFL, you got a family, you
Speaker 2: got this, you got that. How do you immerge the
Speaker 2: balance right? How do you find that balance?
Speaker 4: Compartmentalized?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 5: It is it goes to me. Everything backs up to sports.
Speaker 5: When I go to practice and I knew and we
Speaker 5: go to the sideline and I don't have to be
Speaker 5: in the game. I'm chilling. We can't have a conversation.
Speaker 5: The nego defense. I said, hold on hold to you.
Speaker 5: I go grab my helmet. I run out there, lock in,
Speaker 5: do my thing, come back, put the helmet down, and
Speaker 5: pick up the conversation.
Speaker 4: So that's pretty much what I do now.
Speaker 5: It's like I think about one thing, and when I'm there,
Speaker 5: I'm present, man, and I do it because I don't
Speaker 5: You never know who's watching whose list, and then you're
Speaker 5: never that commitment for you. It may be one of
Speaker 5: the many things that I do, but maybe it's one
Speaker 5: of only one thing that somebody else does. They need
Speaker 5: me there, so I want to give them everything I got.
Speaker 5: And so the second I leave that though half the time.
Speaker 5: If you asked me what happened on GMA, who did
Speaker 5: you talk to today?
Speaker 4: I'd be like, that's a good question.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: December eleventh, twenty twenty one, you became the tallest man
Speaker 2: to go to space Blue Origin with Jeff Bay on
Speaker 2: Jeff Bezo's experiment. What was that like?
Speaker 5: Yeah, wait here, it is the tallest man that go
Speaker 5: to space. That ain't hard, the little ass astronaut. Now
Speaker 5: they make it where we could fit, but before you
Speaker 5: couldn't fit anyway.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 5: It was the most amazing thing I've ever done because
Speaker 5: there were reasons for like just not even the trip itself,
Speaker 5: things that happened before I went made it incredible because
Speaker 5: it makes you evaluate yourself, your life, your family, your friends,
Speaker 5: where you stand in the lives of people, where what
Speaker 5: they mean to you, where they stand in your life,
Speaker 5: what's important? Because you almost getting your eulogy before you.
Speaker 2: Even right do it?
Speaker 5: Because people, your boys are like yo, man, your boys
Speaker 5: you always you know, y'all, y'all always up, You're busting
Speaker 5: each other's you know, balls for lack of without a word.
Speaker 5: Then your boys are like yo, man, I'm like, hey man.
Speaker 5: Hopefully everything. I love you, man, and you're just like, damn,
Speaker 5: where had come from. Then you realize the severity of it,
Speaker 5: and you have your will. But then when you got
Speaker 5: to redo it and make sure everything is tight. Not
Speaker 5: because you're thinking in thirty years, forty years, fifty years. No,
Speaker 5: because you're thinking in three, four, five, six, seven days
Speaker 5: it might kick in. And you're looking at your kids
Speaker 5: and you're like, I ain't ready to leave my kids,
Speaker 5: you know, I my mom still living, my brothers and sisters.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm not ready to go to leave this planet,
Speaker 5: and they're not ready for you. And you realize that
Speaker 5: the ecosystem that you have around you, the people that
Speaker 5: love about you care. But then when you go up
Speaker 5: and you're looking back at the planet, damn, that's crazy
Speaker 5: to say, yeah, back at the part the arc of
Speaker 5: the planet, the different layers of atmosphere.
Speaker 4: You start out like down here is light. I mean,
Speaker 4: you're chilling. You're looking up and it's getting darker as
Speaker 4: you're going.
Speaker 5: And next thing you know, I'm up in darkness and
Speaker 5: I'm looking down at the light instead of the light,
Speaker 5: looking up at darkness, and you're floating, you're weightless. You
Speaker 5: push yourself around with two fingers and you're just moving
Speaker 5: effortlessly throughout this cap It was the most amazing thing
Speaker 5: I've ever ever done.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: And I'm not a space right like, I'm not a
Speaker 5: risk person. I'm trying to live like god breathing. No, no,
Speaker 5: you can breathe. You don't need nothing.
Speaker 4: This is an air. It's like a silk chamber.
Speaker 5: The only thing I was like, Okay, if we get
Speaker 5: up there, what if that thing just starts floating off
Speaker 5: and we ain't coming back, and then you just got
Speaker 5: to sit up there until you starve to death or.
Speaker 4: Whatever it may be. But it was.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 5: Made me the happiest I've been man, because it really
Speaker 5: you land and just smile on your face.
Speaker 4: You can't wipe it off.
Speaker 5: And you know, that's what we can say that Very
Speaker 5: few people can say that you're going up and there's
Speaker 5: like three g where you're sitting on that capsule and
Speaker 5: you can get off up until two and a half
Speaker 5: minutes before you know take off. You can say time out,
Speaker 5: or you can go I don't want to fly time out.
Speaker 5: They'll come on try and say yo yo, Matt, you're
Speaker 5: sure you don't want to do this. They try to
Speaker 5: talk you into it, but if you go out, I
Speaker 5: don't want to fly today, they just gonna come yank
Speaker 5: you off. And I was waiting for somebody to possibly
Speaker 5: save us.
Speaker 4: All join up. Somebody doesn't.
Speaker 2: Man, how long does it take to get up?
Speaker 5: The whole thing is less than twelve minutes up and down? Really, yeah,
Speaker 5: but you think about it. If no, no, it's fat.
Speaker 5: It's like a day now and our time of twelve minutes.
Speaker 5: But you're so in tune, like every sense you have
Speaker 5: is on alert, creak, and every movement you're just so intense.
Speaker 4: It seems like hours really, And.
Speaker 5: Then when you're sitting there and you're watching that clock
Speaker 5: and you know at two thirty before countdown, I can
Speaker 5: get off, but once again two twenty nine, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 5: the computer kick in now I can't stop. Then you
Speaker 5: just have to convince yourself like, yo, this is like
Speaker 5: a disney Land ride.
Speaker 4: Disney World. Just gonna go with it and hope for the.
Speaker 2: Best twelve minute running clock like they got it worked out.
Speaker 4: Man, that's crazy.
Speaker 5: But then when you hear like ten nine, it's like
Speaker 5: you're in a movie.
Speaker 4: And then when it lifts off and the thing is rumbling.
Speaker 5: You see the smoke and the inside that capsule turns
Speaker 5: red from the fire and the flames from the engine,
Speaker 5: and that thing just starts shaking and takes off. And
Speaker 5: then they're like, you know Blue Origin, you know New Shepherd,
Speaker 5: You cleared the towe and you just ste everybody on
Speaker 5: the literally everybody would being unprompted, just screening.
Speaker 3: Yah.
Speaker 2: I mean other people were in there with you, five.
Speaker 4: Other people man. And then once you're going up.
Speaker 5: They designed the ship that is starting to like a
Speaker 5: slow spiral that way. I don't have to look out
Speaker 5: the window over there to see what's going on. You
Speaker 5: just look at your window the whole see everything world.
Speaker 5: Forty thousand feet up, one hundred thousand feet up, two
Speaker 5: hundred thousand feet up, three hundred thousand feet up, face
Speaker 5: getting pushed back. It was sick. I got it in jack,
Speaker 5: y'all gotta do it. Y'all could be the tallest, because.
Speaker 3: I'm short in this room, right, it'll be crazy twelve
Speaker 3: minutes for me. I might fast out.
Speaker 4: Would you do it?
Speaker 5: It feels free? Probably that's hard. I ain't gonna lie
Speaker 5: it free is a good point. It was the second
Speaker 5: we landed. I see Bezos Jeff, and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 5: I want to do it again. He goes, next time,
Speaker 5: you got to pay us.
Speaker 3: Right, Texas boy, talking about the upbringing it in Houston.
Speaker 3: Your dad was an Army vet and the box of
Speaker 3: Army major in the boxer. I was growing up in Texas.
Speaker 3: It was great. I mean, you know you you know, Texas.
Speaker 3: Texas is Texas hot and hot.
Speaker 4: And so hot humid.
Speaker 5: Went to Texas Southern so HBCU right there in the
Speaker 5: middle of Houston, which I think a lot of people
Speaker 5: don't realize. They think I went to some big program,
Speaker 5: But you know, I went to the place that fit
Speaker 5: me the best. Right war right, no heart a third
Speaker 5: War man, and but it was. It was great because
Speaker 5: had I gone to a bigger school, because I came
Speaker 5: back from Germany, because my dad wasn't the military, I
Speaker 5: think I would have been swallowed up by just everything
Speaker 5: I got, the magnitude of everything. But TSU was perfect,
Speaker 5: and it was great being in Texas. It taught me
Speaker 5: so much to help me when I came here to play,
Speaker 5: Like I came to New York and I was a
Speaker 5: little green around the edge of a lot of things.
Speaker 5: But one thing, you, I was never gonna get tired
Speaker 5: because my ass was used to running in that Texas heat.
Speaker 5: You weren't going to outwork me, you know. And and
Speaker 5: and it was just I came here with an attitude
Speaker 5: that I had no choice, like I had no I
Speaker 5: had to win here all or nothing I had. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was all or nothing for me. I didn't have
Speaker 5: a backup plan. I didn't have a thing where I
Speaker 5: can go home and do this and do that. And no, no, no,
Speaker 5: I ain't going back home. My whole gold in life
Speaker 5: has always been I move back in with my parents.
Speaker 5: That's it. Something that simple makes me go out and hustle. Real, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm a grown man living with my parents.
Speaker 4: Not at all.
Speaker 5: I don't want to ask permission. I'm forty years old
Speaker 5: to do something. Fifty years old, Mama, you know I'll
Speaker 5: be like, don't wait.
Speaker 4: Up, leader, chain off the door.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll turn along on when I get old.
Speaker 3: I ain't doing that. Man, when did football kick in?
Speaker 3: You just start playing see lady? Senior year, senior year
Speaker 3: and ended up being I was man my senior year
Speaker 3: high school.
Speaker 5: My dad was like, yeah, I'm a senior to Houston
Speaker 5: gonna stay with your uncle, you're gonna play football, You're
Speaker 5: gonna get a scholarship. Okay, but he made it sound simple.
Speaker 5: He made it sound like it was supposed to happen.
Speaker 5: So when I came back, okay, that's my mission. And
Speaker 5: I didn't know what I was doing, but I did
Speaker 5: it well enough to get one scholarship, and that was
Speaker 5: the mission. Mister of the car, He's like, schools free,
Speaker 5: that's where you're going.
Speaker 2: So that was the first time you put on paths everything.
Speaker 5: I was seven and eight years old, and then after
Speaker 5: that I didn't do anything.
Speaker 4: I was just growing up.
Speaker 5: And so for me, it was, you know, learning and
Speaker 5: put the pads on again, buckle up the helmet, put
Speaker 5: the pants, the pass in my pants and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: And I just figured it out. I watched a lot
Speaker 5: of TV. I just watched football on TV. I watched
Speaker 5: the pros on TV. I saw all the big college
Speaker 5: players where everybody was talking about what they were doing.
Speaker 5: And I didn't know what quarterback sack was important. When
Speaker 5: I was in high school, I played defensive end.
Speaker 4: I didn't know. I was just like, okay, where we
Speaker 4: got the ball, that's a good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it, and yeah, so football from I didn't
Speaker 5: grow up playing football.
Speaker 4: I grew up watching football.
Speaker 5: And I think the simplicity of which my dad said it, like.
Speaker 4: Oh you're going to do this. I was like, Okay, cool,
Speaker 4: did it? That's simple.
Speaker 2: You followed it in your uncle's footsteps. You briefly touched
Speaker 2: on that you went to an HBCU, But can you
Speaker 2: elaborate on what that experience was, Like.
Speaker 5: Uncle Art, Uncle Art, Uncle Ray, Uncle Ray, shout out
Speaker 5: to my uncle Ray down in Houston. It was HBCU.
Speaker 5: It's unique, it's special, man. And I was just talking
Speaker 5: to somebody about this the other day. They was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I went to Howard or something so that. But even
Speaker 5: at TSU, all the guys from University of Houston, you
Speaker 5: try to come over and hang out on our yall yep,
Speaker 5: not like no, no, no, no, it don't.
Speaker 4: Work that way. Y'all. They want the Frenches.
Speaker 5: Yeah, y'all got to go back and y'all got to
Speaker 5: stay away from Frenchies.
Speaker 4: Y'all got back over there.
Speaker 5: Because people don't realize it was TSU, Yates High School,
Speaker 5: Frenchies and then the University of Houston. We will throw
Speaker 5: a rock, but all right, all right there, all all
Speaker 5: like on top of each other. But the HBCUs experience
Speaker 5: was was was different and special because I felt like
Speaker 5: it was intimate, you know what I'm saying. We were
Speaker 5: all in there together, we all looking at it like basically,
Speaker 5: we all sound alike. We all here just trying to
Speaker 5: hustle and do what we gotta do. And I'm still
Speaker 5: great friends with Corey Johnson, Chris Daggs, all my guys
Speaker 5: from back then in college, and we've all gone on
Speaker 5: and done our different things in life. But yeah, man,
Speaker 5: the HBCU experience to you know, from the classes, to
Speaker 5: being on the yard, to being on the football team,
Speaker 5: to you know, the parties to the dorms and all
Speaker 5: those things were were you.
Speaker 2: Know, it looked like you got your like you're over
Speaker 2: here smiling, got his mind right. It's like it was
Speaker 2: a good.
Speaker 4: Good man all that and the projects.
Speaker 3: George Floyd was from his two blocks away from everything
Speaker 3: he talking about, which is yeah, it was crazy two
Speaker 3: blocks away. I remember all those schools.
Speaker 2: I remember Devin the dude rapping about all the schools
Speaker 2: y'all was just mentioning right there. I was used to
Speaker 2: listening to Devin the dude he was talking about all
Speaker 2: them schools right there. Explain the straight hand rule. I
Speaker 2: mean you were often double teamed.
Speaker 4: Oh man, that was.
Speaker 5: Yeah in the game, man, just getting beat up. It's
Speaker 5: funny you go out there in the game. People don't
Speaker 5: realize how intricate it's like basketball. People watching I can
Speaker 5: do that. They just throwing the ball around the guy
Speaker 5: that gets opening. It's plays, you running, you moving, it's technique,
Speaker 5: is all these different things, especially if you want to laugh,
Speaker 5: if you want to be great at it. So for
Speaker 5: me that three hand rules, like that being double team, man,
Speaker 5: like they just beat the hell out of me. Beat
Speaker 5: the hell out of it as a compliment though, But
Speaker 5: you know what, at first, old jacket was hard because
Speaker 5: when you're getting double teen, it's frustrated. Guy that just
Speaker 5: you know, pause by the way.
Speaker 4: I saw that. When you're just trying to maneuver.
Speaker 5: It's hard enough to beat one one block, but then
Speaker 5: when you're beating that guy, another guy's is once hitting
Speaker 5: you down low, one taking it, you know, hitting you
Speaker 5: up high, and it's like.
Speaker 4: Frustrated.
Speaker 5: I mean, you got two guys three hundred pounds, biggest
Speaker 5: fun and they're trying to take you out, and so
Speaker 5: it At first he pitches you off, but then you
Speaker 5: have to look at it as a compliment and go
Speaker 5: It means I'm good, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 5: then you try to you find a way around it.
Speaker 5: So whenever you're able to beat two guys that make
Speaker 5: a play, to be more satisfied to beat one.
Speaker 4: And once you get used to it, it is. It's
Speaker 4: actually kind of fun. Man.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like a science project and figuring out
Speaker 5: a math project and how to figure out the solution.
Speaker 5: And I'll never forget Justin Tuck, my teammate here in
Speaker 5: New York, and they caught me, old man, end of
Speaker 5: my career.
Speaker 4: Old man, I'm gonna kick your old ass out the league.
Speaker 4: That's what.
Speaker 5: Kick you old ass all the time, kick you out
Speaker 5: the league. I said, let me tell you, man, you'll
Speaker 5: be my backup. As long as I can team play
Speaker 5: cloths out, deside to play. You'll be my backup. And
Speaker 5: then I said, heavy is the crown. You don't realize
Speaker 5: how tough it is, because you can be one of
Speaker 5: the eleven. I could have been a starter for a
Speaker 5: few more years if I wanted, but to be the
Speaker 5: one of the eleven to one it every week, you
Speaker 5: got to show up. I can't have an off game,
Speaker 5: I can't have an off practice, I can't have nothing.
Speaker 5: Everybody's looking at me for leadership and guidance and then
Speaker 5: in the game for consistency. So I retired and he
Speaker 5: calls me three weeks into the season, Hell you do
Speaker 5: this because he started getting those double team And I
Speaker 5: even saw Aaron Aaron Donald probably the greatest defensive lineman
Speaker 5: in the history of the NFL.
Speaker 4: I saw last year.
Speaker 5: He was even talking about damn double team, getting frustrated
Speaker 5: by it. But it's a compliment right to how great
Speaker 5: you are. You got to take it that way. So
Speaker 5: like straight hand rules, Hey, I was happy, I'll take Yeah,
Speaker 5: try to try to try to try to beat it
Speaker 5: out of me.
Speaker 4: Ain't gonna be ain't gonna quit right. How much was
Speaker 4: what was? How much is you weigh? What was your heaviest?
Speaker 3: When you played my heavy you said you was going
Speaker 3: to get a three hundred pound guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: When I first got in the league, I came in
Speaker 5: at two fifty something. But then they did they like
Speaker 5: they told me gain weight. But back then they don't
Speaker 5: tell you like the proper way. So I was I
Speaker 5: was just fast food pizza. Yeah, I was like two eighty.
Speaker 5: I felt like an in Gorge tick. I couldn't move,
Speaker 5: but I was heavier. I couldn't move, couldn't perform. So
Speaker 5: then I started losing weight. So I got into like
Speaker 5: two seventy two, which four years I was in the
Speaker 5: two seventies. Then I went down to the two sixties.
Speaker 5: As you got older, yeah, as I got older, I
Speaker 5: started gradually losing weight. And then my last three years
Speaker 5: in the league, I was every Friday we weigh in
Speaker 5: and every pound rovers like three hundred bucks. So my
Speaker 5: last three years I got down like two forty seven
Speaker 5: to two fifty two really Friday. Yeah, well part of it.
Speaker 5: Everybody's like, oh, you lost weight, you want to play.
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, I got divorced. That's stress.
Speaker 4: That stressed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, man, that stress because me the weight hair,
Speaker 5: but it has hair too, and hair and grays. But
Speaker 5: it ended up being good because it needs to lose weight.
Speaker 5: It prolonged my career. I feel like a totally different
Speaker 5: player to the last three years in my career than
Speaker 5: I did the first twelve because I could run all day.
Speaker 4: My knees didn't hurt, my back stopped hurting. It was amazing. Yep.
Speaker 2: I did the South of s maybe two thirty five
Speaker 2: when I came in the league and finished at like
Speaker 2: two ten. Really, yeah, got that. It's like you said,
Speaker 2: it's just the older you get. I feel like the
Speaker 2: lighter I had to be. I was still as strong,
Speaker 2: it was just had to be lighter.
Speaker 4: And that was the thing.
Speaker 5: I was still as strong, but I but it actually
Speaker 5: made the game easier because now I knew if I
Speaker 5: needed to get over there, I can make it because
Speaker 5: I'm lying up quicker and faster, and I know I
Speaker 5: need to get there quicker than I ever knew twenty
Speaker 5: ten years ago, because I didn't know what I was
Speaker 5: looking for to determine where I need to be.
Speaker 4: So I was always a step ahead and that helped. Man.
Speaker 5: And then when you're playing with OC you and you are,
Speaker 5: you're playing with Justin Tuck, Fred Robbins, all these young cats,
Speaker 5: and they after calling you old man, it's like, oh, no,
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna run me up out of here.
Speaker 4: I got to show y'all how it's done. So your toes.
Speaker 3: Drafted fortieth overall nineteen ninety three, what do you remember
Speaker 3: most about about the draft anywhere?
Speaker 4: Question? They asked you doing the process, man, They asked
Speaker 4: you some of the stuff you had to take.
Speaker 5: The giants had this like one hundred and fifty question
Speaker 5: survey just to be a drafted guy and the training can.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think what they wanted to do then is that
Speaker 5: the combine. I think they wanted to test you to
Speaker 5: see because question ninety five is just like question three.
Speaker 5: I guess they want to see if they're gonna wear
Speaker 5: you out, how long your attention span could be. And
Speaker 5: there would be stuff like if you were in traffic
Speaker 5: and there was a line with six cars and a
Speaker 5: line with no cars, would you want to be car
Speaker 5: number seven? Would you be the first and want to
Speaker 5: be first in line? And I'm like, that's stupid. I
Speaker 5: want to be first in line. That shows leadership. Like
Speaker 5: I'm like, what the hell doing one hundred fift I'm
Speaker 5: not a follower. But if you didn't do it then,
Speaker 5: speaking of prime, I think they asked Dean to do it.
Speaker 5: Deonna said, what pick of y'all?
Speaker 4: They go five? I ain't gonna be righty so.
Speaker 5: But yeah, but that had to do all that stuff.
Speaker 5: But you know, coming from t s U at that time,
Speaker 5: I had to do what I had to do. I
Speaker 5: had to do everything. And I'll never forget filling out
Speaker 5: stuff like that. You've had you they come to campus,
Speaker 5: they run you through all these drills more so than
Speaker 5: they probably did with anybody else. And then it always
Speaker 5: I'll never forget. I'm sitting with this scout, Tommy Hart,
Speaker 5: he was a scout for the forty nine ers. And
Speaker 5: there's another guy, my boy had a chance to get you, Yeah,
Speaker 5: Todd Kelly. Todd Kelly, University of Tennessee, my guy, we
Speaker 5: could come out same year. We're working out together. We
Speaker 5: had singer ball together, all these things. We're sitting there
Speaker 5: with this scout Tommy Hart from Tommy Hart from the
Speaker 5: forty nine ers. He looks at us, he's sitting there,
Speaker 5: goes Michael. You know, you'll know, I don't think you
Speaker 5: ever be able to be like Ty. I don't think
Speaker 5: you'll be able to close the quarterback and get sacks
Speaker 5: in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Like like Todd would.
Speaker 5: I'm sitting right next to my boy Todd, like, well, damn,
Speaker 5: you know, just shit my bucket, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: Like what are you doing? And to this day I
Speaker 5: have not forgotten that comment. I have not forgotten the
Speaker 5: list of defensive linemen who were drafted in front of
Speaker 5: me or even considered to be in that same group
Speaker 5: as you know, like I can tell you man from
Speaker 5: Carl Simpson to Coleman Rudolph to Eric Curry, John Cope, Flynn,
Speaker 5: Dan Williams, Dan Footman.
Speaker 4: Who else was there? None?
Speaker 5: None of these people what their thing was. He's from
Speaker 5: A he's from t s U. Yeah, competition, he can't.
Speaker 5: We don't think he can keep up. He ain't this,
Speaker 5: he ain't that. But one thing I found, you can't
Speaker 5: teach You can't teach heart, you can't teach that zion.
Speaker 5: Those are things that maybe you gotta trust your gut
Speaker 5: to figure out if somebody is a fit. But I
Speaker 5: was second round, fortieth pick overall, Thank God for the Giants,
Speaker 5: even though Jimmy Johnson told me he's gonna pick me
Speaker 5: for the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: You know, I flew out the Dallas, but I wish
Speaker 4: he would have was.
Speaker 5: I flew out to Dallas actually before the draft, and
Speaker 5: I met with Jimmy, Jerry, I met Troy Aikman, Michael
Speaker 5: Michael Irvin, who's my guy?
Speaker 4: I love that dude.
Speaker 5: And I remember Michael doing step ups with dumbbells, and
Speaker 5: this was Michael Irvan with the star. I go in
Speaker 5: the weight room and just wide eyed, and he's like, yo,
Speaker 5: big fellow. Remember they only love you because of this.
Speaker 5: Don't think if you don't do this, they're gonna love
Speaker 5: you like that. His cat is working, working, and Jimmy
Speaker 5: is like, yeah, you know, Jimmy and Jerry, Yeah, we
Speaker 5: want to do a draft day deal. So we're gonna
Speaker 5: pick in the first round. We want to get a
Speaker 5: deal done that day. We won't want any any you know, holdouts.
Speaker 4: I'm like, pick me.
Speaker 5: He ain't gonna worry about that. You know, I'm a
Speaker 5: broke kid from TSU. I'll come right up the road
Speaker 5: to Dallas. Give me a contract. I'm goody sent the
Speaker 5: scout to my house on draft Day.
Speaker 2: I put the icing on top too, and didn't pick.
Speaker 5: You got a briefcase. I'm like, my my contracts. In
Speaker 5: that briefcase. I'm sitting there with the family. He sitting
Speaker 5: on the couch with is drinking, I drink, eating our food.
Speaker 5: He gets a call. They trade their pick the giants
Speaker 5: picked me and now working with Jimmy all these years,
Speaker 5: I'm like, yo, you told me you're gonna pay me. Man,
Speaker 5: it was I know, I didn't know you're gonna be good,
Speaker 5: so h you know, I like value, so I was
Speaker 5: hoping maybe I can get you in the second round.
Speaker 5: But now I talked to him, He's like, well, maybe
Speaker 5: the third, fourth, maybe fifth, sixth. I'm like, you think
Speaker 5: I'm Tom Brady's sixth round.
Speaker 4: Come on, that's funny.
Speaker 3: Rookie year had a live versity six, only played six games.
Speaker 3: How was that dealing with that?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 5: Yeah, cause you in New York. First of all, for me,
Speaker 5: New York was like I thought Houston was fast. Oh yeah, No,
Speaker 5: I thought Houston was twenty four seconds, right and what?
Speaker 5: And then I come here and I'm like, at first,
Speaker 5: I'll never live in the city. I never drive in
Speaker 5: this city. I stayed at the Marriott Marquee in Times Square.
Speaker 5: I never left the room the first times here until
Speaker 5: they came and picked me up and took me where
Speaker 5: I needed to go. Because I would look out the
Speaker 5: window at two or three in the morning, people would
Speaker 5: be walking the street like ants. I said, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: get mugged rob. Something's gonna happen if I go out
Speaker 5: on the street by myself. So I would be walking
Speaker 5: around looking like that because you know, say tourists don't
Speaker 5: look up you show your tourists may be looking for you.
Speaker 5: I was like naive about everything, man, And then to
Speaker 5: come here and be on the team with LT and
Speaker 5: Phil Sims and all those guys, and to watch guys
Speaker 5: that I love growing up play and not be able
Speaker 5: to be a part of it because of injury. I
Speaker 5: mean it sucked because you considered the bust in a
Speaker 5: lot of ways and this city is impatient.
Speaker 4: You don't have time to you know, yeah they don't care.
Speaker 4: They don't care. So for me, that was that was
Speaker 4: that was tough, you know.
Speaker 5: Being here and being hurt, and then other than that
Speaker 5: playing a sick games, not really getting a feel.
Speaker 4: For for how to be a pro.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that that that those those years I kind
Speaker 5: of washed out of my mind at that rookie year.
Speaker 4: Man, that was two questions, First, how was LT?
Speaker 2: And then when did you feel like how many years
Speaker 2: did it take you to feel like you had your footing?
Speaker 2: So first, how was LT?
Speaker 4: LT was a great teammate, crazy.
Speaker 5: Which when he showed up at practice, when he showed up,
Speaker 5: which he don't like when I say that, but it's true.
Speaker 5: And you know what else, this cat would go one
Speaker 5: hundred miles per hour when he's in there in practice,
Speaker 5: in his reps, and sometimes he takes scout team reps
Speaker 5: one hundred miles per hour game speed, game speed. And
Speaker 5: that's one thing I learned him in practice was game speed.
Speaker 5: It wasn't going through the motions. And then in the meetings,
Speaker 5: I didn't learn nothing from him there because this cat
Speaker 5: would come in, get a towel, roll it up, and
Speaker 5: lay on the floor and go to sleep entire meeting.
Speaker 5: And then the coaches would you know, wake him up,
Speaker 5: turn on the light at the end, like not at
Speaker 5: the end of the meeting.
Speaker 2: They knew better not to wake him up. Durian Yes,
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 4: Would go, hey, you know, lt we put in this
Speaker 4: blitz and that blitz is that okay with you?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: Why the hell you asking him? We all and he'll
Speaker 4: wait for.
Speaker 5: The last two hours. This cat's sleeping. You got to
Speaker 5: ask if it's okay. And if it's not, I guarantee
Speaker 5: you they would have changed them. But he had earned
Speaker 5: that man. He had earned the respect of these coaches
Speaker 5: and and and other of us of us as players.
Speaker 5: But he was a great to give your shirt off
Speaker 5: his back, intimidating Like I, he's intimidating. And it took
Speaker 5: me into hell recently to not be intimidated. When I
Speaker 5: celt and hen I got into a big old argument,
Speaker 5: not an argument, but a nice fun conversation. Like a
Speaker 5: year or so ago at a golf tournament. He was like,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm I should I'm the career i should
Speaker 5: be the career leader in sacks for the Giants.
Speaker 4: And he's going on and I said, well, you know
Speaker 4: you're not. That's I am. Well, if I didn't miss
Speaker 4: all them games, I didn't tell you to do the
Speaker 4: drugs man on you, right, But yeah, that's my guy.
Speaker 4: I love dude. Man.
Speaker 2: So how did you like rough rookie year? When did
Speaker 2: you feel like you kind of got your footage?
Speaker 4: Four years?
Speaker 5: I had a great coach. Earl Leggett was my first
Speaker 5: d line coach. Coach how he longed the Raiders and
Speaker 5: incredible coach. If I didn't have him, I probably would
Speaker 5: lasted the total four years because he taught us technique.
Speaker 5: He and John Fox, who went on to become you know,
Speaker 5: John Fox, and Mike Nolan was the coordinator. They taught
Speaker 5: me how to watch film, how to study, like not
Speaker 5: watching film as a spectator, I'm watching film as a player,
Speaker 5: trying to get better and understanding what I'm watching. So
Speaker 5: that really helped an Earl technique wise, no one could
Speaker 5: match it. How he taught us how to take on
Speaker 5: you know, these two three hundred and fifty pound guys
Speaker 5: want to crush you. How do you turn into the
Speaker 5: technique so that you kind of negator when you're getting doubled,
Speaker 5: and all these different things like just to pass rust,
Speaker 5: how to rush with power, how to rush with finess.
Speaker 4: He was just amazing. So Earl where the coach you
Speaker 4: glad you had not a coach you glad you have
Speaker 4: because he was so hard home and he was a beast.
Speaker 5: So once he we had him for three or four years,
Speaker 5: and then once Earl went to d Washington. After that,
Speaker 5: I don't know, it's freeing. It's like you were able
Speaker 5: to have his technique, but you were able to not
Speaker 5: think about doing it. It just came naturally because with
Speaker 5: him you had to worry about it all the time.
Speaker 5: Because you get in a meeting and man, this cat
Speaker 5: would he would he would talk dirty to you, talk
Speaker 5: bad to you. If you're out there getting handled, like
Speaker 5: don't get hit, don't get pushed, don't get knocked down,
Speaker 5: and not defend yourself, because he would tell you I'm
Speaker 5: too old to get out and defend myself. Son, You
Speaker 5: got to defend your own yourself. You got to defend yourself.
Speaker 5: I'm too old for this ship. Or if you're in
Speaker 5: the training camp and you're out there getting beat up
Speaker 5: in training camp, he would literally come in and be like, hey, man,
Speaker 5: I got to go on these meeting and send it
Speaker 5: from everybody in the D line room. I got to
Speaker 5: go on these meeting with the other coach and and
Speaker 5: fight for you. I got to go out there and
Speaker 5: fight for you. But look at this ship you put
Speaker 5: on fence. You just sending me up there with my
Speaker 5: dick in my hand, and you just say, hey, you
Speaker 5: literally sitting there good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love. I needed to be coached like that.
Speaker 5: I didn't need to coach with soft on me and
Speaker 5: tell me everything's okay, because it's not.
Speaker 4: He was perfect.
Speaker 5: But then once he went to Washington, we were able
Speaker 5: to take what he taught us and kind of be
Speaker 5: free with it, and it just came naturally, all the moves, anticipation,
Speaker 5: and from then on it was like boop.
Speaker 4: So his found got the limit.
Speaker 2: Dominant dominant, dominus, particularly against the run ninety seven to
Speaker 2: two O five two thousand and five Defensive Player of
Speaker 2: the Year in two thousand and one.
Speaker 4: What does that mean to you? Everything? I never thought
Speaker 4: about doing nothing like that. Man.
Speaker 5: I was just playing like I love the play, I
Speaker 5: love the competition. I loved the fight. And it's kind
Speaker 5: of funny because I look at myself now and I'm
Speaker 5: just like chilling, and I think people look at me
Speaker 5: and they go, oh, you know, people don't even realize
Speaker 5: I played football that nine goting.
Speaker 4: TV and all that.
Speaker 5: But to me, it's interesting because the other side is
Speaker 5: always there and people don't really get a chance now
Speaker 5: to see it, and there's no need for anybody to
Speaker 5: see it. But I would walk into a locker room
Speaker 5: and feel like, you know, a normal small guy.
Speaker 4: But the second I put on the pads, it was
Speaker 4: like superhuman.
Speaker 5: My mind just switched to where I had no regard
Speaker 5: for anybody, even not on my team. I used to
Speaker 5: put on you know that that see Murder and Snoop.
Speaker 5: That was the last song, exactly the last song I
Speaker 5: put on before I went out to play, because that
Speaker 5: was my mindset.
Speaker 4: If you're not on my team, I don't care about you.
Speaker 4: I don't care what happens to you.
Speaker 5: And so for me, being Defensive Player of the Year
Speaker 5: was first of all having great teammates and secondly, just
Speaker 5: not limiting myself. I went from a guy who was like, oh,
Speaker 5: I get a sack, and I'm like that pressure is off.
Speaker 4: I got that sack, man, I can you know, got it?
Speaker 5: Hopefully maybe I get another one into like why why
Speaker 5: I stop at one right? What's limiting me? Let's get another,
Speaker 5: another another and try to help this team win. So
Speaker 5: that was that was when that award was special, more
Speaker 5: special probably for my family than it was me, because
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, my parents and all
Speaker 5: of them got a lot more joy I think out
Speaker 5: of all these things, and I got a joy out
Speaker 5: of making sure that they were proud and so yeah
Speaker 5: that that stuff like that, that's mom and dad stuff.
Speaker 4: You know. The whole career pretty much is because they
Speaker 4: encouraged me to do it.
Speaker 2: Let's big broke several sacklecuers are on the way. What
Speaker 2: one was most important to you?
Speaker 5: Breaking the LT's sack record with the Giants one that
Speaker 5: pisses him off was was the most important because he's
Speaker 5: my favorite player, my favorite player, period, offense, defense, whatever.
Speaker 4: Nobody was like LT.
Speaker 5: So to get a year to play with him and
Speaker 5: to just sit there and be across from him doing
Speaker 5: walk throughs every day, and I can tell when he
Speaker 5: was in a good mood because he be practicing his
Speaker 5: golf swing, and I can tell he was in a
Speaker 5: bad movie because he'd just be staring at you and
Speaker 5: I'm like, I do I'm just sitting here doing my job. Man,
Speaker 5: I want to smoke.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: So so breaking his record and having him there for
Speaker 5: you know, the career record and single season record which
Speaker 5: I broke against the Eagles in two thousand and one,
Speaker 5: was was special. And as as far as like the
Speaker 5: sack of record for the league, I never thought about that.
Speaker 5: I really cared about that, But the LT stuff I
Speaker 5: didn't realize I cared about until I actually did it,
Speaker 5: because it's hard to follow up a legend like that.
Speaker 5: And I'll never be the player LT was. No one
Speaker 5: ever will all the next LT. There never been another LT.
Speaker 5: Got some great players out there will be great and
Speaker 5: maybe they'll be their own guy. There'll never be another LT,
Speaker 5: but at least to have the city have somebody they
Speaker 5: could be proud of followed up somebody like that.
Speaker 4: I'm good with that.
Speaker 2: Sitting back now, being removed for several years. What jumps
Speaker 2: out to you the most about your career as a whole.
Speaker 5: You gotta be damn crazy to play football. I watched
Speaker 5: god get hit now and I'm like, what the hell that?
Speaker 5: That amazed me that I last at fifteen years doing
Speaker 5: it and didn't really have any major injuries. I tore
Speaker 5: my peck and I had Liz frank at both of
Speaker 5: my feet, but nothing like devastating, big comeback type of situation.
Speaker 5: So the thing that amazed me most about my career, honestly,
Speaker 5: it just lasting through several generations of it. You got
Speaker 5: to play basketball long enough to where you I know,
Speaker 5: I feel like I lasted through three different generation different eras. Yeah, era,
Speaker 5: I had the the LT era, and it was like
Speaker 5: that was a special era that was that was if
Speaker 5: there was cell phones, we all you know, it wouldn't
Speaker 5: be here. It wouldn't be here, like because the stuff
Speaker 5: you just witnessed just you were in the room. You know,
Speaker 5: it's like we're having a party. You got to be there.
Speaker 4: Man, the toy it's like, whoa, I've never seen this
Speaker 4: at Texas Southern.
Speaker 2: This is I didn't see this a Texas Southern. Jack said,
Speaker 2: where's the room in west room over there?
Speaker 5: But but like that era, and then I had my
Speaker 5: era with me and Jesse Armstead, Dallas Carter, Me and
Speaker 5: Armstead and see Horn and all THEO and Keith Hamilton
Speaker 5: those guys, and then I had the Eli Tuck O Sierra.
Speaker 4: I stuck around probably.
Speaker 5: Into two era, like an era that I would probably
Speaker 5: shouldn't have been in, And that was what I I
Speaker 5: look back on and I'm just I'm just happy I
Speaker 5: was able to do all that, man, because the relationship
Speaker 5: that I've been able to form with all those guys,
Speaker 5: it's still to this day.
Speaker 4: Every day. D Line were in a group text every
Speaker 4: day all day.
Speaker 5: And it's not one of these text where like yeah yeah,
Speaker 5: talking talking ship to each other.
Speaker 4: It's literally.
Speaker 5: Family, family and what's important and mental health. Then if
Speaker 5: somebody needs help. Fred Robbins his house burned down man
Speaker 5: our defensive tackle, and so guys like, what can we
Speaker 5: do send him that? Make sure he's straight, you know,
Speaker 5: And and so it's more about the brotherhood and protecting
Speaker 5: each other and being there for it.
Speaker 4: Justice was supposed to be.
Speaker 2: Obviously a whole shipload of sacks. Any quarterback in particular,
Speaker 2: you just loved second.
Speaker 4: All of them ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 5: Donald McNabb I sacked more than anybody, more than anybody.
Speaker 2: He was one of the more elusive quarterbacks about.
Speaker 5: What made you gave not only lucive, even big, big
Speaker 5: old dude was not easy to to take him down.
Speaker 5: So I think McNabb any quarterback for the Cowboys, anybody,
Speaker 5: I'm sorry Jack, anybody.
Speaker 4: Any quarterback for the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: Hardest hit ever put on anybody period, quarterback anybody was
Speaker 5: gus for Rock with the Redskins rot. Yeah, I tried
Speaker 5: to push his spine through out of his chest.
Speaker 4: I hit him in the back so hard.
Speaker 5: You see me coming, And yeah, Jake to snake, Plumber
Speaker 5: is probably the toughest guy to sack, really, you know,
Speaker 5: any time you can get a sack on yeah, on
Speaker 5: the snake for either man slippery slippery, And then you literally,
Speaker 5: I'm right here, just next thing, you know, you on
Speaker 5: the ground, because he would do something bender's knees in
Speaker 5: and do something like.
Speaker 4: What the hell he got It's a break dance move.
Speaker 5: And Michael Vick was another one I wanted to ask
Speaker 5: you about Mike Vick. Vic Vic claims I hit him
Speaker 5: harder than he's ever been hit by anybody, And to
Speaker 5: this day at Fox and he's hanging out with me
Speaker 5: when he's there on Thunday that Fox, he still talks
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 5: I did try to break Mike back to Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4: Not he Hey, you supposed to have in the back
Speaker 4: of your head. You got back.
Speaker 5: My job is to hit you and hit you as
Speaker 5: hard as I can. Plus I don't want to hurt anybody.
Speaker 5: But if Vic got to go out in peace, I
Speaker 5: see you don't want to let you by the bus
Speaker 5: when we on the bus going home because I don't
Speaker 5: want to have to chase you around on my job. Easy, yeah,
Speaker 5: make our job either. But Quarterback like Michael, like Donovan,
Speaker 5: like Plumber, all those guys were the toughest guys because
Speaker 5: they were elusive, and then you had guys like fora
Speaker 5: you had Brady. You know Tom how you not love sacking?
Speaker 5: Tom Brady could, but he just not elusive like that.
Speaker 4: Anyone. I'll take anywhere, man. All of that part I missed.
Speaker 3: So with LTBO MJ linebackers absolutely, lt would be the
Speaker 3: m jail of the league league period.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, not even not even close.
Speaker 2: And I do.
Speaker 5: I will say, kid, you got down in Dallas linebacker Parsons.
Speaker 5: He's special. Yeah, he's special, but it's his thing.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: What he's doing is special, is different like Lawrence. I
Speaker 5: don't know what that dude was was, how where he
Speaker 5: was built, what factory he came out of. But I
Speaker 5: think Michael Parsons is about as close as we've seen
Speaker 5: to being dominant at that position.
Speaker 4: But he's got to do it consistently, right right. He
Speaker 4: got it this one year.
Speaker 5: Don't you got to give it to me every year
Speaker 5: like twelve like LT did twelve. You gotta give it
Speaker 5: to me for twelve.
Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah.
Speaker 2: On time after the two thousand and sixth season, you
Speaker 2: debated retirement after missing training camp in the preseason.
Speaker 4: Lied, Oh you did?
Speaker 5: That was just the story. Camp you said, want to go,
Speaker 5: I want to go to camp. Yeah, they want to
Speaker 5: go care I knew I was coming back. I didn't
Speaker 5: want to go.
Speaker 2: So you came back and it was a special year.
Speaker 2: Talked to us about that season.
Speaker 4: It was it was special because I didn't care. I
Speaker 4: didn't care.
Speaker 5: I didn't care about sacks, I didn't care about accolades,
Speaker 5: I didn't care about winning. I literally came back and said,
Speaker 5: I got one year. After fourteen years of always worrying
Speaker 5: about winning, making sure guys are ready, you know, all
Speaker 5: this crazy stuff, all that pressure, I just want to
Speaker 5: come back and have fun for one year. Because football
Speaker 5: was not in this city, was not always fun.
Speaker 2: It was tough.
Speaker 5: So I came back and said, hey, whatever happens, happens,
Speaker 5: played with the three months play.
Speaker 4: We're gonna enjoy ourselves. We're gonna have fun.
Speaker 5: And at the end it ended up being the most
Speaker 5: magical run and beating the Patriots, who were undefeated in
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl. You know, I never you couldn't even
Speaker 5: written the script any better than that. I expect that.
Speaker 5: So it was great to come back play with these guys,
Speaker 5: have fun with these guys, laugh with these guys. Coughlin
Speaker 5: would always yell at the D line, like y'all need
Speaker 5: to and practice. Y'all need to tone down. We were like, no,
Speaker 5: if you don't like it, those are too bad. Because
Speaker 5: we knew we were leading the team anyway. Our d
Speaker 5: line was strong. We knew like without us we got
Speaker 5: good players and good but you need a good, strong
Speaker 5: front up front, you know. But seven eight guys we
Speaker 5: had who could play, and so we had fun every
Speaker 5: single day. And that's what I remember the most. That's
Speaker 5: what I enjoyed the most. And training camp I didn't.
Speaker 5: I just didn't want to do it. I did fourteen
Speaker 5: year of the camp a month a year. I spent
Speaker 5: over a year of my life in some dorm bed
Speaker 5: up in Albany, New York. Yeah, I'm fake retired, I
Speaker 5: see a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did have to pay a fine when I
Speaker 4: came back though. As as a linebacker, how good was
Speaker 4: Randy Moss?
Speaker 2: Randy was?
Speaker 4: Randy was one of a kind. He was what is
Speaker 4: the what is those praying mantis and.
Speaker 2: Long land thing?
Speaker 4: Just read it out, grab his stuff.
Speaker 5: But Randy made the best defensive backs look pedestrial average average.
Speaker 5: He made the fastest defensive backs slow. And then on
Speaker 5: the big catchers, well, most guys gonna make sure put
Speaker 5: two hands. He reads up that one hand casually, like
Speaker 5: he was the backyard with his kids telling his son,
Speaker 5: throw me the ball.
Speaker 4: He catches it over over his other kid. He made.
Speaker 5: He made everything that should have been tough look easy.
Speaker 5: And and and Randy is like I did a great dude.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: I love Randy rather Randy, and so playing against Randy
Speaker 5: and watching Randy was was definitely a treat. And we
Speaker 5: we played against him, we were they were. He was
Speaker 5: in Minnesota in the playoff game to go to the
Speaker 5: Super Bowl back in two thousand and.
Speaker 2: I was him and could Pepper Chris two thousand and.
Speaker 5: One, Yeah, Dante Colepepper, Randy, Chris Carter, Robert Smith that
Speaker 5: running back. I mean them cats were loaded and they
Speaker 5: were whipping everybody, and we ended up beating them forty
Speaker 5: one to nothing. Smacked it, but we got They were
Speaker 5: out of the game before the game even started. And
Speaker 5: I kind of knew we had a shot because Randy
Speaker 5: was arguing with security and all that before the game,
Speaker 5: tried for little Wayne and then to get on the field.
Speaker 5: So like we're just you know, they ain't paying attention
Speaker 5: to us, and next thing you know, we're at forty
Speaker 5: one nothing and heading to the Super Bowl, which we
Speaker 5: got stumped.
Speaker 2: But Randy wasn't undefeated Patriston, Yeah, this is one. Yeah
Speaker 2: that was raven.
Speaker 4: When they had like twelve ray Lewis is on the field,
Speaker 4: that was time like how can Rady make every tackle?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 4: He made the tagle behind the lone. Now you're making
Speaker 4: the dollar. I mean ray Lewis is out here. But yeah,
Speaker 4: that that that that was good to be in the
Speaker 4: Super Bowl, Yeah, but not good to get you up with.
Speaker 2: So going back to that eight season, obviously the Pats
Speaker 2: were undefeated at the time. Huge catch by Tyree. What
Speaker 2: were you thinking when you saw that that catch off
Speaker 2: the helmet?
Speaker 5: Get up and spike it or throw it? Run the
Speaker 5: next year because I don't know if he caught it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he was all over all over Harrison's all over his back.
Speaker 5: And the thing is Tyree is not a not a
Speaker 5: He was the wide receiver we put in the game
Speaker 5: to block. You put him in the games like oh
Speaker 5: they're gonna run the ball. He wasn't a guy we're
Speaker 5: gonna run all these patterns with. But it goes to
Speaker 5: show with extraordinary situations, people show up. He caught a
Speaker 5: touchdown earlier in the game. He caught that ball off
Speaker 5: his helmet. He couldn't catch a damn ball on Friday
Speaker 5: in practice. I swear to you every ball he dropped
Speaker 5: to the point Yello beat him up, ball, beat him up,
Speaker 5: every ball. I'm not one ball he caught and dropped
Speaker 5: every ball off his pass, off his head.
Speaker 4: Everything was embarrassing, and the coach told us, like, leave
Speaker 4: a kid. He throwing the catch. He's a wide receiver.
Speaker 5: Then he gets in the game and makes one of
Speaker 5: the greatest catches of the pressure I've ever seen. And
Speaker 5: the second he caught that ball, I realized we won
Speaker 5: the game. We hadn't even thrown the touchdown, the practico
Speaker 5: yet or whatever. I'm like, you can't have something that
Speaker 5: good happened, And not everybody. Eli getting out of a sack.
Speaker 5: Eli so clumsy man that cat trips trying to walk
Speaker 5: around the house. He gonna get out of a sack
Speaker 5: and then throw it up in the middle of the field.
Speaker 5: So I realized after that catching, after Eli getting out
Speaker 5: of that, this game is mister thoughts on.
Speaker 2: Brady obviously, in his longevity from you've seen him from
Speaker 2: the beginning to still doing it crazy.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: If i'd been twenty some years, mentally I would be done.
Speaker 5: But apparently he's still got a chip on his shoulder
Speaker 5: from being picked in the sixth round. But it's amazing too,
Speaker 5: you know, to have a I have a business with
Speaker 5: him now, Religion of sports business, a production business, and
Speaker 5: he's as committed to that and as focused on that
Speaker 5: as about being the best in the content, being top
Speaker 5: notch and everything have to be the highest quality as
Speaker 5: he is on the football field. So being that close
Speaker 5: to him, I see why he is who he is.
Speaker 5: I see what motivates him. Now could I play that long?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 5: After fifteen we won that Super Bowl, I was like,
Speaker 5: I'm good. I don't I don't need no more.
Speaker 4: I'm good. Yeah, what's next?
Speaker 5: But when you're on the field with somebody like that,
Speaker 5: and then the Super Bowl and we were hitting him
Speaker 5: so much and so fast, like it felt like they're
Speaker 5: not even trying, And then you start to realize we're
Speaker 5: just overwhelming them. And when you see him at first
Speaker 5: he gets hit, then he gets up and gets hit again,
Speaker 5: gets up, then once he starts getting up and looking
Speaker 5: at the lineman. Once all down and starts cursing out
Speaker 5: the guys. You're like, oh, now we got him, got
Speaker 5: him now, it's just legit. But the hell of a competitor.
Speaker 5: And who told me after we beat them in that
Speaker 5: Super Bowl not long ago? He said I would have
Speaker 5: I would give up a few rings for that one.
Speaker 5: Undefeated seven eighteen damneen nineteen games of bro like crazy crazy,
Speaker 5: And I don't see anybody doing that ever again.
Speaker 4: Like they did. That's when you put Brady and Moss
Speaker 4: together us. What hell?
Speaker 5: Even though we went took the leader, he threw that
Speaker 5: bomb down the mass. We're still holding our breaths because
Speaker 5: Randy damn near caught it. He got safeties, we have
Speaker 5: a head start on in corners, started running. He's still
Speaker 5: running past them. So yeah, that I did not Once
Speaker 5: that game was over, I'm like, we didn't need to
Speaker 5: play at another second to the clock. And if you
Speaker 5: we had to play them two more time, five more time,
Speaker 5: ten more times, that one probably.
Speaker 4: Only one we want to win. That's the only one
Speaker 4: that matter though, Yeah, the only one that mattered. One
Speaker 4: highlight in your career that would go viral. Now, damn.
Speaker 2: Man got him thinking, there's a lot of a lot
Speaker 2: of highlights. That's why.
Speaker 5: Probably no, you know what highlight I'm thinking about it,
Speaker 5: probably not even on you know, in a game.
Speaker 4: Probably fighting somebody at practice.
Speaker 2: That happened a lot that we don't. I mean sometimes
Speaker 2: in basketball. But y'all really be scrapping it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you be scrapping man over simple stuff too,
Speaker 5: something as trivial as we don't. We lock up on
Speaker 5: a play and the play is over and I'm like,
Speaker 5: let you go, and then you're give me that little extra,
Speaker 5: you know, little extra.
Speaker 4: Don't do that.
Speaker 5: That's like dismissing. Don't dismiss because I ain't gonna tell you.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna take boy, you dismissed. I'm just gonna
Speaker 5: go grab you, and we're gonna do it, like in
Speaker 5: the locker room fights that we had. I had a
Speaker 5: fight with a lineman, Scott Gregg, over he somebody else
Speaker 5: did something to him, but he's still mad about it.
Speaker 5: So and he just happened to block me on a place,
Speaker 5: so he's trying to take it out on me, and
Speaker 5: I'm already ready for it because i know he's.
Speaker 4: Mad all the other stuff.
Speaker 5: So we start scrapping, grab each other's face, masks, and
Speaker 5: his helmet comes off open seas and he still got mine.
Speaker 5: So you got that, you got control. He's like trying
Speaker 5: to twist my head. You're gonna have a choice. Got
Speaker 5: a swing back. Yeah, And then I jumped down there
Speaker 5: and just and then people come grab you. And then
Speaker 5: I look up and Jesse Armstairs fighting Howard Cross across
Speaker 5: the way. So afterwards, I'm like, why are you fighting out?
Speaker 5: I ain't like him, man, I didn't like him. I
Speaker 5: just he just went over there and picked a fight.
Speaker 4: You started fighting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he picked a fight, but you know, you do
Speaker 5: that and you get in the locker room and Scott
Speaker 5: Grad looks at me.
Speaker 4: He got me good on that one, and then you
Speaker 4: move on. You don't hold on to it.
Speaker 5: But those are like things that I think back that
Speaker 5: are more viral plays on the field, of course, sacking
Speaker 5: Brady in the Super Bowl, sacking far for the sack record,
Speaker 5: a few few nice plays that I made that that
Speaker 5: that I might look back and go, damn, that's pretty good.
Speaker 5: So for me, it's kind of hard to even think back,
Speaker 5: like I sometimes we get out and play football myself,
Speaker 5: and so to think back and see some of the
Speaker 5: stuff that I did when I see a film film
Speaker 5: of it, I'll go, damn it.
Speaker 4: Was ballid or nice?
Speaker 3: It was bid twenty fourteen Hall of Fame inductee. You
Speaker 3: got your number ninety two retired by the Giants. Does
Speaker 3: you reflect back area talk to me about how you
Speaker 3: feel about it as a whole.
Speaker 5: I feel great because I feel like I did it
Speaker 5: the right way. I never cheated, yep. I never took
Speaker 5: a shortcut. But the work in never required to ask
Speaker 5: for anybody, my teammates, my coaches, nobody to put in
Speaker 5: any more work than I put in ever, and year fifteen,
Speaker 5: I practiced every play I was supposed to practice. I
Speaker 5: read down the field to chase the ball when they
Speaker 5: threw it down there. I did everything from year one
Speaker 5: to year fifteen. And that's what makes me more most
Speaker 5: proud when I reflect on it, and that it all
Speaker 5: paid off at the end by winning the Super Bowl
Speaker 5: and Barkley. The first time I met Charles and I
Speaker 5: didn't know Charles. I mean, I'm in a golf tournament
Speaker 5: and he looked at me and goes, Michael straight hand.
Speaker 2: I go, hey, what's up?
Speaker 4: Y nine? To men? You know you on my shit list?
Speaker 4: I'm like shuit. I like, How'm on your shit list?
Speaker 4: I don't even know you. I just met you.
Speaker 5: He goes you no, no, no, no, like you like
Speaker 5: someone who had a great career but they won shit.
Speaker 5: He said, but now you're off my list, And I
Speaker 5: was like, thank god, because I'm well your shit list,
Speaker 5: having a great career, but never like experiencing experiencing that
Speaker 5: like the whole reason you play in the first place.
Speaker 5: The win the championship and they had a confetti fall
Speaker 5: and you get to enjoy it instead of like the
Speaker 5: first time it fell and they swept us off the
Speaker 5: field with the confetti while Baltimore enjoyed it. And so yeah, man,
Speaker 5: I just want to just do it everything the right way,
Speaker 5: treating people the right way, and and kind of define
Speaker 5: the odds. That's what I'm most proud about.
Speaker 4: Great career. When did you know you wanted to move
Speaker 4: to television? When I found out I could make money? Man?
Speaker 2: Who us?
Speaker 4: Yeah definitely sounded like us.
Speaker 2: Hey, but he's making big money.
Speaker 5: Hey man, I'm telling you though, but it's like incremental.
Speaker 5: One thing I realized like when I started, and I
Speaker 5: never thought like TV is going to be my life.
Speaker 5: I would do stuff here in New York because it
Speaker 5: was fun. I could have to do something, let me
Speaker 5: do it. And one executive who ran a network called
Speaker 5: me and asked me to go to breakfast. And I'm like, wow,
Speaker 5: this cat want to go to breakfast with me? Man,
Speaker 5: we not friends like that. But he asked me at breakfast,
Speaker 5: how much long do you want to play football? I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: it's a weird question, I said, I don't know. It's
Speaker 5: because he saw potential, you know, which I didn't even
Speaker 5: see myself at the time. And then before and I
Speaker 5: started doing the best damn sports show period and that
Speaker 5: was like a breeding ground for athletes to learn how
Speaker 5: to have conversations and ask questions and just kind of
Speaker 5: do your thing. And then Fox signed me to a
Speaker 5: deal to do that for my last few seasons of
Speaker 5: my career, and then before my last season, they actually
Speaker 5: signed me to do the deal that Fox NFL Sunday
Speaker 5: is that I do now. But I wasn't ready to retire,
Speaker 5: so they said, whenever you're ready, we'll take it out
Speaker 5: the drawer, kind of what they did with Brady It
Speaker 5: just take.
Speaker 4: It out of that drawer.
Speaker 5: Get that, buddy, get that through sixty seventy five fire.
Speaker 4: But trust me, if I got that, I'll retired after
Speaker 4: two years. But I didn't get anything near that.
Speaker 5: But I did have a deal, which gave me some
Speaker 5: comfort in knowing that I had something else that I
Speaker 5: can do.
Speaker 4: And once I started, it's addicted.
Speaker 5: Once you start doing this and you get more comfortable
Speaker 5: with the reps, then it kind of becomes like as
Speaker 5: enjoyable as playing sports. And I did from Fox, and
Speaker 5: then I did the best damn that now I did
Speaker 5: pros versus Joe's Jay Blazer.
Speaker 4: Brought that back.
Speaker 5: He and I did that show, and I just start
Speaker 5: doing little stuff that a lot of people didn't see
Speaker 5: will probably never see. But for me, it gave me
Speaker 5: experience and that I add on to everything else that
Speaker 5: I do. Like I did a show called Brothers. I'm
Speaker 5: Fox acting sitcom twelve episodes, didn't do nothing, but for me,
Speaker 5: it taught me to several things. One acting, I like it,
Speaker 5: but I don't love it enough to go to auditions
Speaker 5: all the time and take the rejection. And two that
Speaker 5: I could actually could be decent if I really wanted
Speaker 5: to be at it. But I use all that when
Speaker 5: I had to do other stuff on like GMN if
Speaker 5: I have to act a certain way live and Kelly
Speaker 5: having to do skits. All these things kind of melt
Speaker 5: together in your experience. I take something out of it.
Speaker 5: If someone sees it as a successful failure, I'm still
Speaker 5: learning something, which is all I care about. And so
Speaker 5: the TV stuff now, I've learned to create opportunities, which
Speaker 5: is important. Like you guys created this show. Now, with
Speaker 5: the way the world is, you can create you have
Speaker 5: an idea, you could make it happen. You don't need
Speaker 5: a twenty other people, thirty forty fifty people to make
Speaker 5: it happen. And I think that there's a lot of
Speaker 5: freedom in that and that I enjoy too. So I've
Speaker 5: just done the game shows, hosting one hundred thousand dollars Pyramid.
Speaker 2: That was our next question, break that down because I
Speaker 2: heard that was one of your favorite shows going out talking.
Speaker 4: I loved it as a kid. But who thinks you
Speaker 4: gonna co hosting that game show?
Speaker 5: I mean that Dick Clark, that's like Royalty of TV
Speaker 5: who hosted the show. And Sony reached out and wanted
Speaker 5: me to host the show, and my partner Constance and
Speaker 5: I were like, well, we're not interested just in hosting
Speaker 5: the show. We want to you know, produce and no, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: that's what we want to do. I want to be
Speaker 5: your partners in it. And so that was immediate yes
Speaker 5: when they came back with that response. And it's been
Speaker 5: fun because I mean, it's a classic show, a timeless show,
Speaker 5: a family show, like everybody can watch it, and it's engaging.
Speaker 5: And when I'm hosting the show, I'm actually I know
Speaker 5: the categories, but I don't know the words. That's the
Speaker 5: celebrity and the contestant have to figure out until they
Speaker 5: pop up on the screen. So I'm playing it with
Speaker 5: everybody at home. So it always keeps me interested in engaged.
Speaker 5: And I never thought that I would do anything like that.
Speaker 5: And I had just learned everything on the fly. I
Speaker 5: didn't know anything about daytime television.
Speaker 4: I had to learn on the fly. I didn't know
Speaker 4: anything about.
Speaker 2: News.
Speaker 4: I had to learn it. Throw you in a sinkle swim.
Speaker 5: I ain't know anything about game show go back, like sports,
Speaker 5: watch hate see what other people do that. The way
Speaker 5: you do it is not like pyramid is. It's special
Speaker 5: because it's not a game where I need to be
Speaker 5: the star. The game is the star to be the conduit,
Speaker 5: keep it going, keep everything on the in track, make
Speaker 5: sure you know people are comfortable in what they're doing
Speaker 5: and and so. Yeah, man, experience and just not being
Speaker 5: afraid to fail.
Speaker 2: Right can be shut out. Constance. I heard a nothing
Speaker 2: but good things about her. I need to meet her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's a boss man, meet her.
Speaker 2: I need to definitely meet her. I need to meet her.
Speaker 2: Oh man, it's been great. We appreciate your time. So
Speaker 2: we got quick hitters right now. So first thing to
Speaker 2: come to mind, let us know one album you can
Speaker 2: listen to with no skips.
Speaker 5: Damn man, when you cause it's ain't no quick hitter.
Speaker 5: I gotta see you know this is about something, right,
Speaker 5: basketball player stuff. We got hitting the head for a living.
Speaker 5: These cats didn't get hit ahead for their brain works quick.
Speaker 5: My brain don't work that quick. I don't know my excuse.
Speaker 4: I'm still.
Speaker 5: You know what I could if I wanted to go
Speaker 5: back to by days of having to drive the prower,
Speaker 5: go with mob deep.
Speaker 4: Yeah deep back in the day on top of shook ones,
Speaker 4: shook on was he ain't the crooks son, I'm with you,
Speaker 4: I'm with you, I'm with you. Do you still talk
Speaker 4: to your socks.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, and whoever somebody hurt me because now you
Speaker 5: get buy a sock. They got left and right on them,
Speaker 5: or Ellen and r or left somebody stole my idea.
Speaker 5: I was ahead of my time. Jack was so when
Speaker 5: the last time I spoke to him the other day,
Speaker 5: have left it right? What was the conversation?
Speaker 4: Like, what do you feel? Do you feel right on
Speaker 4: this foot? Like I look at the sock?
Speaker 1: Is serious?
Speaker 2: Have you took them off and put them on the I.
Speaker 5: Taken off my sock and I put it on the
Speaker 5: or I've grabbed two left socks and I'm like, I
Speaker 5: gotta go right because i just feel like if they
Speaker 5: ain't on the right foot and they're telling me they're gonna,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be on balance all that we'll be right.
Speaker 2: Biopicky of life, Who would play you?
Speaker 5: Oh man, damn? Who could play me? Who would be
Speaker 5: willing to get a prosthetic gap?
Speaker 4: Before I got hit by that car? I could have
Speaker 4: played because I.
Speaker 3: Had one too. I was one where I hit by car.
Speaker 3: So I got my ship fixed. Yeah, blame knocked all.
Speaker 3: You could have fixed a bit of gap back in there.
Speaker 3: It was just too my ship was gone. Oh my
Speaker 3: ship was gone. Yeah, all of them?
Speaker 4: How were you?
Speaker 2: I was playing for the Pacers then you gotta hit
Speaker 2: my car depending my team and a gun shootout.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all them scars on my lips now from that day. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm still at the time. He could played me here
Speaker 3: my doppel ganger, right.
Speaker 4: Actor too. Yeah, I got some stuff coming up. Cool.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: I don't know why we're saying and why he this
Speaker 3: is the Texas boy, but since the question is and
Speaker 3: while we're going to taking Texas, Okay cool? Top five
Speaker 3: Texas athletes of all time?
Speaker 4: Earl Campbell, thank you? How is he? All right? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 4: you gotta beat up a different.
Speaker 5: Type of football man back then, and they literally ran
Speaker 5: him until they couldn't run him in. I would, so
Speaker 5: you know it's yeah, I would go Earl Campbell. Now
Speaker 5: before Texas. You mean, who played in Texas or have
Speaker 5: to be from from Texas? You gotta be it man, Okay.
Speaker 4: Thank you that I gotta be a course.
Speaker 2: You got to put yourself on there.
Speaker 4: Where's Ricky Williams.
Speaker 5: From San Diego? San Diego either get out of here?
Speaker 5: Who else is from Texas? I'm trying to Jesse I
Speaker 5: throw my boy just of course.
Speaker 4: So I'm a number one player coming out of high
Speaker 4: school Dallas Carter, who is a great they gotta be
Speaker 4: Shaq graduated high school in Texas.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Shaq wasn't from Texas. Oh, it's a whole
Speaker 5: bunch of baseball player playing Kershaw and Matthew Stafford's funniest
Speaker 5: thing that happened to you recently? My daughter start rebelling.
Speaker 4: Oh how does she?
Speaker 2: He said, funny like motherfucker, God damn it. How did she?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: It's funny now because IM laughing with y'all, right, right
Speaker 5: right right?
Speaker 4: Not funny?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 5: Well, you got twins and they're seventeen and they yeah,
Speaker 5: boy got a boyfriend.
Speaker 4: It's pretty funny round there. I got five girls.
Speaker 2: Yes, I got twin boys, but they're only thirteen. And
Speaker 2: it's less stressed for me because I just got a
Speaker 2: game how to be man, not how to your part.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, my you teacher your boys how to be men.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to keep mind away from them right away. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you got five. Hats off to you, brother, You got long.
Speaker 5: I got three girls and one boy. At least I
Speaker 5: got one one to give me a little relief. But
Speaker 5: but yeah, man, the funny thing that happened to me recently. Oh,
Speaker 5: I was in LA with my Fox guys. We were
Speaker 5: shooting the promo on the beach of Santa Monica and
Speaker 5: a guy I thought we were at the skate park
Speaker 5: because they were filming us just watching kids skate and.
Speaker 4: Skate park in Santa Monica.
Speaker 5: And as we're walking out of the skate park, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm walking with the guys, and right before we turn
Speaker 5: away from the skate park, the kid goes Michael, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, hey, what's up.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh good, and I'm like, hey, you know,
Speaker 4: kid knows me.
Speaker 5: They all looked at me, like, well that me say
Speaker 5: nothing to us, and I'm like, well, you know, we
Speaker 5: a little different, right right. Well, we're walking two minutes later,
Speaker 5: the kid rolls up and say, hey, man, I want
Speaker 5: you to know I was adopted by a white family too.
Speaker 5: So that movie about your life, I really appreciate it
Speaker 5: because that really helped me. He thought I was Michael.
Speaker 4: Jefferson, I mean.
Speaker 2: Your mom.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 5: He trust me at the garden, sitting on floor seats,
Speaker 5: feeling good about myself years ago, and somebody, hey, what's up.
Speaker 5: Think I'm Riddick Bow. I think I'm like Tyson.
Speaker 4: I'm like, come on, man, we're all black. That's about it.
Speaker 4: That's okay.
Speaker 3: So what's your what's your favorite item in the collection
Speaker 3: by Michael straight Hand shameless plug and where can we
Speaker 3: get it?
Speaker 4: Shameless plug?
Speaker 2: I like it all. Go to j C.
Speaker 5: Penny or you can go to men's wearhouse, okay, men's
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Speaker 4: All right, shameless plug over.
Speaker 2: J C Penny's. Got my T shirt Stafford T shirts.
Speaker 2: I go be going there for some of that shirt.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 4: I got to say.
Speaker 5: We do T shirts year. I'm not joking. I'm not joking. Man,
Speaker 5: our underwear or incredible. Send us something we'll wear. I
Speaker 5: will show off the show T shirts too, shirts, you
Speaker 5: know whatever. Whatever we do everything we do everything suits
Speaker 5: to ath.
Speaker 4: Leisure, T shirt, clean up shirts, underwear. We got a
Speaker 4: whole line.
Speaker 2: I love it. Five dinner guests that are alive.
Speaker 5: Five dinner gets Denzel who was always the interesting conversation.
Speaker 5: I think Denzel Muhammad, Ali, my my dad. Who else
Speaker 5: would I throw in that conversation to keep it interesting?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 5: I would love to have like kind of lea the
Speaker 5: right or something and last but not least. Damn, how
Speaker 5: could I leave y'all out? Maybe y'all too, but y'all
Speaker 5: come at the package. Yeah, he's the second guest man.
Speaker 5: We appreciate it's been racing too. Yeah, that would be,
Speaker 5: but that would but that would be I mean imagine, man,
Speaker 5: that would be a great conversation.
Speaker 3: Man, here's the trick question. All right, if you could
Speaker 3: have any guests on this show, who would it be?
Speaker 3: But you have to help us get him on the
Speaker 3: show or her on the show. Trick bag, that's that
Speaker 3: you like that, I'm gonna steal that. I gotta steal
Speaker 3: that doing any guests on this.
Speaker 4: Show, and I would have to help you get there.
Speaker 4: And you know everybody everybody had Brady on the show.
Speaker 4: Have not.
Speaker 2: I just went and watched him play the quarterbacks golf.
Speaker 4: Yeah Brady?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tom Brady? Man, why your business partner to get Tom?
Speaker 5: When you get Aaron Rodgers like with I like, I like,
Speaker 5: we're gonna start with Tom though, Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: It is that one quick question we forgot to ask.
Speaker 2: We could put this back in so on the NBA side,
Speaker 2: we got Chuck Charles, Kenny, Shack, you guys have Terry, Jimmy,
Speaker 2: uh Me and you Howie. What is that like? I mean,
Speaker 2: it looks like you guys are just having fun the
Speaker 2: whole time up there.
Speaker 5: We all love Chuck and Kenny and Shaq, even though
Speaker 5: I can't understand half the stuff Shack saying.
Speaker 4: I love Shack mane. It is fantastic.
Speaker 5: And then with us and Kurt and Jimmy, Howie, Terry
Speaker 5: and Jay, we we love that show because it reminded
Speaker 5: so much of ourselves. We just have fun and what
Speaker 5: we say on it, we don't know what the other's
Speaker 5: going to say, just like they don't. It's just like
Speaker 5: our job is to basically hang out with each other
Speaker 5: and talk about football. Was you were gonna do it
Speaker 5: your boys anyway, because we get paid to do it.
Speaker 5: And it's more fun when the show was over, when
Speaker 5: we're sitting in the green room avocado room and were
Speaker 5: watching the games together because you have all these different
Speaker 5: perspectives and then you got guys who are funny and
Speaker 5: guys who know what they're talking about when it comes
Speaker 5: to the game, but then guys who just the incredible personality.
Speaker 5: So we look at ourselves at the NFL version of
Speaker 5: that show. And that's a compliment to them, because those
Speaker 5: guys the show is unmatched.
Speaker 4: And to you guys.
Speaker 2: You guys, I mean, football is my first sport, so
Speaker 2: I love watching you guys.
Speaker 4: Man, all right, answer this then, could you have played
Speaker 4: in the NFL? He could have.
Speaker 2: I don't like to disrespect people because I know how
Speaker 2: hard it is to make it. But I was nice
Speaker 2: in football. I ran a four to three nine, leave
Speaker 2: the nation touchdowns, could really catch, can really run?
Speaker 4: You've been a ran in mind.
Speaker 2: I played football, Yeah, I was. I was the number
Speaker 2: one receiver in the country my senior year Leason Nations.
Speaker 2: I just thought longevity when I went to UCLA and
Speaker 2: the basketball program is coming off the national championship, and
Speaker 2: I just thought longevity would be I would have made
Speaker 2: more of a splash impact in football. But I don't
Speaker 2: think at six eight it wasn't really out there.
Speaker 5: You were smart, Yeah, because you know you always get
Speaker 5: those guarantee contracts too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what we always go.
Speaker 2: I don't understand how you guys didn't like you guys
Speaker 2: are literally risking your life every day, but it's not guarantee.
Speaker 5: Well, the argument is always that you're too many guys
Speaker 5: and if guys get hurt, how to substand how do
Speaker 5: you maintain a league when you're paying so many contract
Speaker 5: for guys who wouldn't even be available and who would
Speaker 5: be out of the league.
Speaker 4: For so long.
Speaker 2: NBA is doing that ship motherfucker's not playing this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, still get paid in some way, some way, it
Speaker 4: can get done.
Speaker 5: And yeah, but you're out there, man, and you literally
Speaker 5: when you become a VET and you make it after
Speaker 5: the first, second, third game, then you're you're you're guaranteed.
Speaker 5: Once you make that final roster, you guarantee that season.
Speaker 4: That's it. That's crazy.
Speaker 5: And so every every year you're out there trying to
Speaker 5: earn it. And that's that's the challenge. Like it's there
Speaker 5: is no glide. There is no oh year ten, eleven, twelve,
Speaker 5: I got a glide through now. And that's why when
Speaker 5: you do contract, you try to get a big of
Speaker 5: a signing bones as you can, because that at least
Speaker 5: will make them, you know, a little less, you know,
Speaker 5: thinking about cutting you because you got.
Speaker 4: So much of their money. You're popping.
Speaker 3: In the NFL, they got more teams with billion dollar
Speaker 3: evaluations in NBA teams.
Speaker 2: A lot more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can't let you leave Inada here man, some
Speaker 3: all the smoke gear merch.
Speaker 4: Definitely definitely want to see your rocket.
Speaker 3: We all, you know, we swaggy okay, And I know
Speaker 3: you got some fresh kicks to go with the cause
Speaker 3: you got some fresh ones on today.
Speaker 4: You know, Jesus, just the every day through a round.
Speaker 5: But I got yeah, I got more shoes, and I
Speaker 5: ain't gonna be somebody unwrapped the Christmas gift and they
Speaker 5: like they're trying to save the paper.
Speaker 4: We don't do that. Open. We got enough wrapping for
Speaker 4: your sir.
Speaker 5: All the smoke merch, all right, what I'm talking about America,
Speaker 5: y'all get y'all some of that.
Speaker 2: The honor for us to have to see you Mann,
Speaker 2: thank you by the time. We know you're really busy.
Speaker 4: But my brother is your poem.
Speaker 2: I told you, I told.
Speaker 4: We just gave it up. I want to say thank you.
Speaker 2: We'll see y'all next week.
Speaker 4: All the smoke