Speaker 1: Also media, welcome back for Behind two four from with
Speaker 1: Behind the Bastard. It's a podcast. You know what, it's
Speaker 1: about bad people. We tell you all about them. I'm
Speaker 1: Robert Evans, and back once again on the show is
Speaker 1: Arch guest Ace guest Katie Stall. How are you doing, Katie?
Speaker 2: Oh? Wonderful, bad, fine, I don't know, pick a word.
Speaker 2: I'm doing it all at once. It's just really hard
Speaker 2: to understand my emotions these days. But I'm here and
Speaker 2: I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm generally like terrible. Okay, that's that's kind of
Speaker 1: the way I feel.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm bad, but there's a lot of people
Speaker 2: that are getting it a lot worse, So I'm fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Bad, other people are worse. Everything's good,
Speaker 1: umh or bad. I don't know how everything is.
Speaker 2: I think so dumb, dumb, dumb, the dumb dumb.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we used to have we used to have that
Speaker 1: as a as a theme song, and then things got
Speaker 1: even dumber. You know what. I love it when people say, boy,
Speaker 1: you should still be doing your podcast because the years
Speaker 1: just get worse. But obviously, ever since Senator Sanders uh
Speaker 1: uh came after us, you know, there's there's we simply
Speaker 1: can't anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too much liability.
Speaker 1: Too much liability after that massive, massive lawsuit.
Speaker 2: Well that's what happens. I guess when you out someone
Speaker 2: is killing JFK before the files are released.
Speaker 1: That's that's right. Obviously the files that just got released,
Speaker 1: look them up, completely vindicate us.
Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, but it's unfair.
Speaker 1: It's unfair. You all lost a podcast, and Katie and
Speaker 1: I both lost out on purchasing are our yachts, So
Speaker 1: that's that's a bummer. I mean, exact replica of the
Speaker 1: boat from Jaws.
Speaker 2: But like a miniature version.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very small, very small, like the Lego size one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and dream though someday, Robert, Robert, why did you
Speaker 2: not warn me about the images I'm going to have
Speaker 2: to show Katie in this podcast?
Speaker 3: I just scrolled and it's.
Speaker 2: Warned me.
Speaker 1: So we don't. We don't do stuff like that because
Speaker 1: then you wouldn't be surprised. And that's part of me
Speaker 1: enjoying the podcast that we do. I had to watch
Speaker 1: like fucking so many hours of this of motherfucking online
Speaker 1: documentaries about this guy because all of his stuff has
Speaker 1: been pulled off the Internet, Katie, we're doing a cult
Speaker 1: leader today. We're doing We're doing a new cult leader.
Speaker 1: We're like, I mean, this guy's a little older than me.
Speaker 1: But the cult is very much like gen Z. Like
Speaker 1: it's a very modern, like social media driven cult and
Speaker 1: it's kind of one of the most you know, there's
Speaker 1: that document about those Twin Flames people that was a
Speaker 1: very like modern online cult. But this guy is, like,
Speaker 1: this is a Facebook and Instagram cult leader that we're
Speaker 1: talking about today. That's how he builds everything.
Speaker 2: Okay, the new school cult leader. I like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because like back in the day, we've
Speaker 1: always had cults, but we used to have a lot
Speaker 1: fewer because it was harder, Like two three thousand years ago,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to start a cult, you had to
Speaker 1: just sit down and talk to a bunch of people
Speaker 1: and convince them of shit, and like, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: if you got really good, a couple of your followers
Speaker 1: would be good at talking and you can get them
Speaker 1: to travel around and like talk, but.
Speaker 2: That you delegate that part, yeah, and that's hard, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and it's slow, and usually you get killed by
Speaker 1: the Romans before all of that works its way out, right,
Speaker 1: which is why Jesus was never able to buy the
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, which if you've read the Bible properly
Speaker 1: you'll understand was his ultimate goal. Yeah, as it is mine,
Speaker 1: I'd be a good owner for the Packers.
Speaker 2: Katie Robert, Are you the second coming of Jesus?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: And I'm the second coming of whatever guy was good
Speaker 1: at coaching the Packers.
Speaker 2: Okay, I couldn't speak to that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just like the hats. I don't know much about
Speaker 1: the team anyway. As time has gone on, cult leaders
Speaker 1: have always been on the bleeding edge of technology, right,
Speaker 1: because the key thing in terms of making it possible
Speaker 1: for cult leaders to spread more effectively and for there
Speaker 1: to be more cults is that there are more ways
Speaker 1: with low barriers, for people to reach large numbers of
Speaker 1: other human beings. You know, thousands of years ago, you
Speaker 1: had to like get an elite following and hope some
Speaker 1: of those guys would be really good at talking and
Speaker 1: really loyal and would go spread the message, right, And
Speaker 1: that's just fucking difficult. Then, you know, if you want
Speaker 1: to look at it this way, I think this is
Speaker 1: the right way to look at it. Cults are a
Speaker 1: lot like pornography, and that they're always on the bleeding
Speaker 1: edge of technology because that's the only way they can
Speaker 1: stay profitable. Right, Like, porn will always adopt the new
Speaker 1: technology that's going to be kind of the future before
Speaker 1: like mainstream Hollywood, right, because Hollywood's got they've got margins,
Speaker 1: you know that, which is why you see you know,
Speaker 1: three hundred or million dollar movies every year that flop
Speaker 1: and the industry doesn't quite go under because like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we have the ability to take some gambles here.
Speaker 1: Porn can't afford to gamble like that, right, So they
Speaker 1: really have to be to be.
Speaker 2: True, you've got to be adaptable in the porn industry absolutely,
Speaker 2: you know, Robert, I've heard you share a lot of
Speaker 2: hot takes, but this might be my favorite one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just comparison between cults in the porn industry.
Speaker 1: Yes, edge of technology, always on the edge of technology, right.
Speaker 1: And so you know, colts, the printing press huge for cults, right.
Speaker 1: Colts immediately re figured out how to like, oh, we
Speaker 1: can now just put out our writing material or reading
Speaker 1: material however the fuck we want. Right, and then you
Speaker 1: get you know, you get your Mormon churches and stuff,
Speaker 1: like that, and part as a result of the fact
Speaker 1: that it's a lot easier to print stuff. Now, the
Speaker 1: radio makes it a lot easier to spread stuff. And
Speaker 1: obviously television, boy howdy, that really super charges things, you know,
Speaker 1: And then you start getting all these I mean, among
Speaker 1: other things like the prosperity Gospel, these different sort of
Speaker 1: like quote unquote Christian churches that are all about if
Speaker 1: you give me money to buy a jet, God will
Speaker 1: make your wildest dreams come true. You can't do that.
Speaker 1: That doesn't work very well through like a magazine, right, Oh.
Speaker 2: Definitely not. You're not getting the same kind of return
Speaker 2: on investment there.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing with like if you have if
Speaker 1: you have a creator that you listen to way too much,
Speaker 1: that person will probably be have an unfair influence on
Speaker 1: you because they're in your ears one hundred hours a week, right,
Speaker 1: And if you're attending one of these like big cult
Speaker 1: churches and doing it two or three times a week,
Speaker 1: and they're constantly talking about how you need to give
Speaker 1: the money to go to heaven, you'll probably do it. Right.
Speaker 2: I'm easily manipulated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we all are. Actually, is the real answer
Speaker 1: behind why do people do the things that they do. Well,
Speaker 1: we're kind of stupid and it's easy to fuck with us.
Speaker 2: You're selling me a dream.
Speaker 1: I want that dreamy. Look, we've all bought steaks from
Speaker 1: some guy's car at a certain point in our lives,
Speaker 1: right among us? Who among us? If you were ever
Speaker 1: dumb enough to buy a frozen steak or speakers from
Speaker 1: a guy's car, you are dumb enough to have fallen
Speaker 1: for something at some point, right, especially, we need better education. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know you're kind of getting to where we
Speaker 1: are now, which is like, yeah, the printing, plays, the radio, TV,
Speaker 1: all of that increase the reach different cults and cult
Speaker 1: leaders could have. But the Internet and most particularly social media,
Speaker 1: that has really given these people unprecedented power. And it's
Speaker 1: why we now live in a day and age where
Speaker 1: they basically run a lot of stuff, right, if not
Speaker 1: everything right. Everything's kind of a cult these days because
Speaker 1: cults work among other things, like there's this talk right
Speaker 1: now about the tariffs, people being like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: finally his his base is going to leave him because
Speaker 1: of the tariffs, And I'm like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys have read about like the different cults where
Speaker 1: a guy would tell everyone the world's ending on this day,
Speaker 1: and then it wouldn't, And then, still with a big
Speaker 1: chunk of the loyal core of the of the colt
Speaker 1: would be like, I guess we'll wait around for the
Speaker 1: next one. I don't know what else to do with
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're in too deep at this point.
Speaker 3: They still put out.
Speaker 2: That's the way it always, even when you know they've
Speaker 2: been starving, they can't afford, they still collapsed.
Speaker 3: They still put out clothes for l Ron Hubbard.
Speaker 1: Well, and they should because he's coming back. We all
Speaker 1: know that, Sophie. I've been saying, no, not l R.
Speaker 1: I can, and he would. He would have loved TikTok.
Speaker 1: That man would have been the best at TikTok. He
Speaker 1: would would have had such a good TikTok.
Speaker 2: Honestly, we've all missed out. That could have been a
Speaker 2: beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: Forevery that's really the great like what if of history?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, screw these people, Like what if it literally
Speaker 1: been killed?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: What if l Ron Hubbard had access to TikTok and
Speaker 1: a billion people?
Speaker 2: I think he would have bought TikTok.
Speaker 1: I think he would have bought TikTok yeah, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what a time. What if LRH had had TikTok and
Speaker 1: no zembic, nothing would have stopped it. So the Internet
Speaker 1: and most particularly social media, has presented these would be
Speaker 1: cult leaders of our day with a tool of unprecedented power.
Speaker 1: The power if we talked about back in the day
Speaker 1: stochastic terrorism, right, which is trying to incite just random,
Speaker 1: large groups of people in the hope that some amount
Speaker 1: of them actually carry out attacks. Well, Stochastic messaging for
Speaker 1: cult leaders means that even if a cult leader of
Speaker 1: middling charisma and skill can get a platform that reaches
Speaker 1: thousands or hundreds of thousands, or you know, millions or
Speaker 1: more people, the vast majority of those people in any
Speaker 1: case aren't going to actually do more than watch or
Speaker 1: read him. But if a percent of a percentas that's
Speaker 1: more than enough to build the kind of following that
Speaker 1: can take care of you. Right.
Speaker 2: Sure, it's just.
Speaker 1: A numbers game. Now, this week, we're going to tell
Speaker 1: the story of a cult leader who got his start
Speaker 1: dozens of followers and hundreds of thousands of dollars, all
Speaker 1: thanks to Facebook and Instagram. Our subject for this week
Speaker 1: is interesting part because he's not very talented, like as
Speaker 1: a cult leader like LRH we joke about, but a
Speaker 1: Hubbard was really good at some things. And that's part
Speaker 1: of what makes his story really fun, is that, like
Speaker 1: you are watching a man who knows his business fuck
Speaker 1: up the world. Right. This guy is not very good
Speaker 1: at anything. I don't think he's particularly bright, and I
Speaker 1: don't think he would have succeeded at creating a cult
Speaker 1: in any other period. This is a tale of a
Speaker 1: cult made possible by social media. And if your ambition
Speaker 1: is to start a cult of your own, I think
Speaker 1: these episodes would be a pretty good guy on how
Speaker 1: to do that, and you should do that. Go start
Speaker 1: a cult, right, there's consequences. These episodes do end with
Speaker 1: consequences for this guy, but most of the time it doesn't.
Speaker 2: You know, hopefully we can learn from his mistakes and
Speaker 2: how to do it more successfully.
Speaker 1: Learn from his mistakes, and remember your goal should be
Speaker 1: the presidency, not an isolated compound where you have many,
Speaker 1: many sister wives. One of those ends better than the
Speaker 1: other historically. We'll see, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: Still a lot of time from planning sister wife to
Speaker 1: be proven of the wisest yeah, that's right, all right.
Speaker 1: So our bastard for this week is a guy named
Speaker 1: Alisio Bishop. He was born in Harlem, New York, in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two. Probably, like most cult leaders, he lies
Speaker 1: constantly and a hard details about his early life are
Speaker 1: thin on the ground. The best and most expansive piece
Speaker 1: of traditional journalism about the man is an article Rolling
Speaker 1: Stone published earlier this year. Here's how it describes his
Speaker 1: earliest years. Bishop was born in Harlem in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: two and said that he was a crack baby. The
Speaker 1: story of his upbringing, he lays out in his social
Speaker 1: media is his troubled efforts to get in touch with
Speaker 1: family members were unsuccessful.
Speaker 2: Now this is to fact check it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, to be like, is any of this true? Right?
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone is like, we tried and we couldn't talk
Speaker 1: to them. I do like this article and I respect
Speaker 1: it for providing like reasonably good context on a guy
Speaker 1: who's had basically nothing written about him beyond a few
Speaker 1: short news articles. And those are those are all focused on,
Speaker 1: like you know, there's there's a couple of specific crimes
Speaker 1: that he's involved in, and so they're all very much
Speaker 1: like focused on those points in time. The Rolling Stone
Speaker 1: article covers those points, but it also it tries to
Speaker 1: give a more detailed account of Bishop's life, and as
Speaker 1: a result, it's, you know, one of our better sources.
Speaker 1: But I will say it still gets some stuff wrong,
Speaker 1: you know, and particularly the paragraph that I just read,
Speaker 1: I think is an example of some kind of why
Speaker 1: we can't use that as our primary source. And so
Speaker 1: the best source I found on this guy, weirdly enough,
Speaker 1: is a YouTube channel called a Hood Horrors, which has
Speaker 1: a little more than four thousand subscribers. This is not
Speaker 1: a big channel. It seems to focus primarily on shady
Speaker 1: characters from what's called the conscious community or Black consciousness community,
Speaker 1: which is a subculture online that we'll discuss a bit later.
Speaker 1: And Hudharror has did a seventeen part series on Elijio
Speaker 1: or Alligio that is very fairly well edited and written
Speaker 1: and includes original interviews as well as extensive documentation of
Speaker 1: hundreds of hours of videos posted by his cult that
Speaker 1: have now been deleted. So it's the only place to
Speaker 1: get at least glimpses of a lot of the first
Speaker 1: hand sources on this stuff. And they I think they're
Speaker 1: coming at him from a more sympathetic angle than I am,
Speaker 1: because he's kind of a shady member of the broader
Speaker 1: community they're a part of. But they do a really
Speaker 1: good job of, I think, giving you details on his life,
Speaker 1: and it's I got to say no shade on Rolling
Speaker 1: Stone because their article was useful too, but it's the
Speaker 1: best single source on this guy. And they play audio
Speaker 1: of Algio talking where he claims that he was born
Speaker 1: addicted to heroin as opposed to crack, which is what
Speaker 1: the Rolling Stone claimed. I don't know whether he was
Speaker 1: born addicted to heroin, her crack or both. It's not impossible.
Speaker 1: Both are basically true, and they're both bad.
Speaker 2: Let's be real, it sucks to be born addicted to anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because then you don't get all the fun of
Speaker 1: starting to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeahragedy here, and then if your tolerance is already high
Speaker 2: as a baby.
Speaker 1: Where it's going to be so expensive by the time
Speaker 1: you're thirty, Jesus.
Speaker 2: Sure surely the parents just think about the fact that
Speaker 2: his life, he's going to always be trying to chase
Speaker 2: a bigger high. It's how he got here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is essentially this story here. So we've got
Speaker 1: one picture of his mom and dad. I don't even
Speaker 1: have his father's name, but as you can see from
Speaker 1: the photo, he was a lot older than her, Like
Speaker 1: there is a there's a sizeable age in between these
Speaker 1: two people. And he dies of a heart attack right
Speaker 1: after Bishop is born. Sure, he looks like he's right
Speaker 1: on the customs. He looks like he's right on the edge.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, so after he dies, Patricia and her kids live
Speaker 1: in government housing, and one of Bishop's older sisters, who's
Speaker 1: about seven years old at this time, said this about
Speaker 1: her recollections of their childhood. It wasn't all good memories,
Speaker 1: but it was a lot of good memories there. So,
Speaker 1: you know, he has kind of a weird situation with
Speaker 1: his dad. Money's not super you know, common for them,
Speaker 1: but they have a pretty loving household, at least acclording
Speaker 1: to several of his siblings now. And this is where
Speaker 1: part of why I think Aligio is able to identify
Speaker 1: with gen Z. Like gen Z, he comes into the
Speaker 1: world too late to have any recollections of the good times,
Speaker 1: you know, Like there's a period of time in which
Speaker 1: his parents are doing well and he misses that entirely.
Speaker 1: A few months before his second birthday, CPS takes him
Speaker 1: and his siblings away from their mother. She had been
Speaker 1: a user of hard drugs for quite a while, and
Speaker 1: her use had escalated to the point where friends of
Speaker 1: the family had called the government about it. They were like,
Speaker 1: she can't be alone with those kids, right, and she
Speaker 1: overdoses fatally. Months after this, one of Alicio's later sisters
Speaker 1: older sisters, later said she was street and that's why
Speaker 1: she died so young. She died at thirty three. You
Speaker 1: can't be doing nothing but the street if you died
Speaker 1: at thirty three. So that's what the family says about
Speaker 1: this kid's mom. It is kind of worth noting that
Speaker 1: that's the account that he gives in late videos years later,
Speaker 1: or that the account that a member of his family
Speaker 1: gives and videos posted years later. He will claim to
Speaker 1: have no memory whatsoever of either of his parents, although
Speaker 1: there's some allegations that this is basically a defense mechanism
Speaker 1: right stop himself from feeling what happened to them. As
Speaker 1: much so makes sense. He and his siblings all become
Speaker 1: wards of the state after this. He separated from all
Speaker 1: of his sisters, but he and his younger brother Leo
Speaker 1: get to stay together for a while. They bounce from
Speaker 1: foster home to foster home, but they are repeatedly kicked
Speaker 1: out of each for fighting. So they get found by
Speaker 1: foster at foster homes. He and his younger brother are
Speaker 1: taken in and then they'll just beat the shed out
Speaker 1: of each other and get kicked out. Which, first off,
Speaker 1: if you're a fat foster family taken in two young brothers,
Speaker 1: they're gonna beat each other up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you got to take less issue with than
Speaker 2: if you're assaulting the foster parents or something.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're little boys. They're two little boys. They're
Speaker 1: going to fight. So this is enough of a problem
Speaker 1: though that when Bishop is seven, the state finally separates
Speaker 1: him from his brother and he gets sent to a
Speaker 1: foster house in Queens that's run by a couple Mister
Speaker 1: and Missus Pope and his younger brother Leo isn't there now.
Speaker 1: He will later claim that he was sexually abused while
Speaker 1: in this foster home. He alleges that he was molested
Speaker 1: and forced to engage in sexual behavior with other foster
Speaker 1: kids while mister Pope took pictures of them. Statistically, this
Speaker 1: is not unheard of. An estimated forty percent of foster
Speaker 1: kids endure some sort of abuse during their time in
Speaker 1: the system, and at least forty five percent of foster
Speaker 1: kids are sexually abused while in the system, a rate
Speaker 1: that raises significantly above the background level. And Bishop isn't
Speaker 1: the only witness here, but I don't see a whole
Speaker 1: lot of game gain for him to have light of
Speaker 1: us about this, right which, and the way this usually
Speaker 1: comes up is he's being interviewed on his own backstory
Speaker 1: for podcasts and you two streams by other creators within
Speaker 1: this consciousness subculture, and he'll talk a lot about his
Speaker 1: dad mentally and sexually abusing him. He claims that as
Speaker 1: a result of the abuse, he began acting out, humping
Speaker 1: both boys and girls in school with his clothes on.
Speaker 1: At another point, he claims to have let a dog
Speaker 1: lick his penis, saying I don't regret it either, which
Speaker 1: is you know, I mean, first off, you know got
Speaker 1: to tell people that story, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah you can.
Speaker 1: You can take that bad boy to the grave.
Speaker 2: Which, uh, there's plenty of things that don't need to
Speaker 2: be shared. First, Yeah, you're shock or what have you.
Speaker 2: But that's a thing he said.
Speaker 1: Okay, kids do a lot of weird things. And I
Speaker 1: try to be like, yeah, I mean, you know a
Speaker 1: lot of kids do weird shit, but like you don't
Speaker 1: need to tell anyone that that didn't need.
Speaker 2: The keeness. I don't know if that is something boys do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, boys do stuff, but not
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna well, I'm gonna say, obviously, he's not
Speaker 1: the first boy to do that, right, Like that's a
Speaker 1: that's a specific joke about like kids putting peanut butter
Speaker 1: on their junk. Sure, but it's also it's not common.
Speaker 1: You know, of all of all of the weird, fucked
Speaker 1: up things I knew other young dudes to do with
Speaker 1: their junk, none of them did that because it's it's
Speaker 1: a little weird, a little weird.
Speaker 2: I you know, a little boy, Okay, there's gonna be
Speaker 2: plenty of things in this.
Speaker 1: He's a little boy, he's not he can't be blamed
Speaker 1: for it, right, like a small boy just like experimenting
Speaker 1: in a way that's weird, Like you should you should
Speaker 1: you need to talk to him, be like, hey, that's
Speaker 1: not something you can do. That's not something you could
Speaker 1: do to a dog, and it's not something you should
Speaker 1: be doing. To yourself.
Speaker 2: There's some guidance needed.
Speaker 1: But guidance this is necessary. But yes, if we were to.
Speaker 2: Believe the story that he's laid out from his life,
Speaker 2: I will acknowledge that this is a very traumatic start.
Speaker 2: Not a lot of good guidance for this guidance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know again, it's this, it's this situation
Speaker 1: where a lot he frames this as a result of
Speaker 1: and reaction to the abuse he's experiencing from mister Pope, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And after some period of time he works up the
Speaker 1: courage to report mister Pope to a social worker and
Speaker 1: to the foster system's credit, which I won't say often here,
Speaker 1: he gets sent to live with someone else very quickly.
Speaker 1: Right now. The next family he's sent to is a
Speaker 1: foster family in the Bronx who had also adopted his
Speaker 1: younger brother Leo. And yeah, so first off, the brothers
Speaker 1: are back again. That seems good. These people are stable,
Speaker 1: they live in the suburbs, they've got a large house,
Speaker 1: and they have at least an upper middle class amount
Speaker 1: of money. And so he's pretty happy there at first, right,
Speaker 1: he describes later it was beautiful nature out there and
Speaker 1: things are looking up right, Maybe We've got our little
Speaker 1: orphanane story coming together. You know, the suns come up,
Speaker 1: it's tomorrow. Except for no, it is not, as Bishop
Speaker 1: and Leo would both complain, It's still like this house.
Speaker 1: With these people who had access to, you know, a
Speaker 1: lot more resources, they still weren't very nice or nurturing
Speaker 1: per Algio. They wouldn't let me use a washing machine.
Speaker 1: We had to wash clothes by hand. He couldn't let
Speaker 1: me have my tight my lights in my room, like
Speaker 1: there was no light in my room. It was just
Speaker 1: a dresser in darkness. He has stated another videos that
Speaker 1: one of his new foster parents told him it was
Speaker 1: because I was dark skinned, I was dirty. Ooh yeah, whooo.
Speaker 2: Okay. I don't love any of that.
Speaker 1: Don't love any of that now. In the interviews published
Speaker 1: by Hood Horrors, Leo has claimed that around this time
Speaker 1: he and his brother were both diagnosed with learning disorders,
Speaker 1: including add Bishop claims that he was put on Riddlin,
Speaker 1: and Leo states that both brothers were moved to special
Speaker 1: led because of all this. Where stories diverge is that
Speaker 1: Aligia is later going to claim that this is all
Speaker 1: the result of a con done by his foster mother
Speaker 1: to get additional checks from the government for taking in
Speaker 1: two disabled boys. I don't think this is true. Foster
Speaker 1: parents do get a stipend that can increase if their
Speaker 1: kid has higher cost due to a disability, and these
Speaker 1: stipends cap out at a fairly low level. Although as
Speaker 1: raids vary from state to state, it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to say exactly how it goes. The general consensus online
Speaker 1: seems to be that there are no real stipends that
Speaker 1: will defray the cost in a super massive way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just not going to happen. Speaking of things that
Speaker 1: aren't going to happen, me miss out on these products
Speaker 1: and services. Oh, we're back, so well, we're talking about
Speaker 1: how you know. Our boy here, Alicio Bishop, has been
Speaker 1: taken to He's had a rough upbringing, right, His parents
Speaker 1: are both dead. He's been moved to one foster home
Speaker 1: where he was sexually abused, and then he's been finally
Speaker 1: moved to another, which is a step up. It's with
Speaker 1: his brother, right. These people live in the suburbs in
Speaker 1: a large house. They've got some amount of money, and
Speaker 1: he's happy at first, recalling at a later interview it
Speaker 1: was beautiful nature out there, which I guess if you
Speaker 1: grew up in you know, central New York City, the
Speaker 1: suburbs qualify as nature.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, it's more nature.
Speaker 1: It is a lot more nature. There's some trees out there, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: However, as both he and his brother would later complain,
Speaker 1: it still wasn't what you'd call a nice or nurturing environment,
Speaker 1: per Aligio. They wouldn't let us use a washing machine.
Speaker 1: We had to wash clothes by hand. He wouldn't let
Speaker 1: me have lights in my room. Like, there was no
Speaker 1: light in my room. It was just a dresser and darkness.
Speaker 1: Bishop has stated in other videos than one of his
Speaker 1: new foster parents told him this was because I was
Speaker 1: dark skinned, I was dirty, and I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's to and you know this is
Speaker 1: not like Again, He's not the only person who's expressed
Speaker 1: things like this about his upbringing. You know, you can
Speaker 1: find stories like this a lot, not just connected to
Speaker 1: the foster system, but connected to the foster system, which
Speaker 1: has a lot of issues with it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: In interviews published by Hoodhorrors, Leo, his brother, has claimed
Speaker 1: that around this time they were both diagnosed with learning disabilities,
Speaker 1: including add aligio. Claims that he was put on Riddlin
Speaker 1: and Leo states that both brothers were moved to Special ED.
Speaker 1: Because of all of this, that all seems pretty cut
Speaker 1: and dry. Where stories diverge is that Aligio, who's again
Speaker 1: our subject this week the guy becomes a cult leader,
Speaker 1: later claims that the add diagnosis and being moved to
Speaker 1: Special ED is the result of a cohn by his
Speaker 1: foster mother to get added checks from the government for
Speaker 1: taking them two disabled boys. From what I have been
Speaker 1: able to read, this seems unlikely. There are stipends that
Speaker 1: you get for having a kid with a disability as
Speaker 1: a foster parent, but from what everything people say online,
Speaker 1: these stipends cap out at a fairly low level, and
Speaker 1: although rates do vary from state to state, the general
Speaker 1: consensus online seems to be that the best these stipends
Speaker 1: do is somewhat mitigate the cost of taking in a
Speaker 1: child who needs extensive medical care. And it's worth noting
Speaker 1: the things that these boys are being claimed of as
Speaker 1: having aren't the things that get you the highest dollar.
Speaker 1: It's just add right, he does, That's not that's it.
Speaker 2: We're talking not a disability, I you know, maybe a
Speaker 2: learning disability.
Speaker 1: It's a learning disability. Sure, yeah, but it's it's not
Speaker 1: that it's not a it's that when you're talking about
Speaker 1: like the higher amounts of money that you can get
Speaker 1: as a stipend, it is for something like your kid
Speaker 1: needs constant life saving medical care, a wheelcare on their own,
Speaker 1: and even then it's not much more right, it doesn't
Speaker 1: cover the cost of their actual health care. So it's
Speaker 1: the idea that, like his age, especially since if you
Speaker 1: watch enough videos with this guy, I'm not surprised he's
Speaker 1: got ADD or you know, ADHD probably now is what
Speaker 1: he'd get diagnosed with.
Speaker 2: I'll just say I have AD.
Speaker 1: It's not uncommon. Yeah, I don't. There's a lot about
Speaker 1: his background that I don't feel any need to question
Speaker 1: because it happens to a lot of kids. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's being accurate about this conspiracy around him being.
Speaker 2: Given mind of this early nineties maybe exactly, but you
Speaker 2: like an early two thousand development.
Speaker 1: Based on my memory of the late nineties, more of
Speaker 1: the people my friends and family members were on riddling
Speaker 1: than weren't. So again, the idea that this had to
Speaker 1: be a conspiracy, I'm just not buying, right, Like it's
Speaker 1: just not super rare for kids to have been on riddling.
Speaker 2: Back then, right, right, So I anyway, but this is
Speaker 2: a story.
Speaker 1: This is he's not going to at least he's going.
Speaker 2: To claim Yeah, well I will, but I'm a wait
Speaker 2: to see it.
Speaker 1: Our job, his brother doesn't make. His brother's just like
Speaker 1: yeah we had add you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah what I'm not sure yet because we're going to
Speaker 2: see where this is building. All of this is valid, horrifying,
Speaker 2: and this stuff happens. And I don't know how much
Speaker 2: this cult leader is milking or not milking, but you know,
Speaker 2: leaning into something for the story of his personality.
Speaker 1: And that's where you have to go. I try to
Speaker 1: when trying to determine how reliable different claims he makes are,
Speaker 1: I have to go to the evidence. Right, about forty
Speaker 1: percent of kids in foster care will be will experience
Speaker 1: some kinds of abuse, right, So the fact that he
Speaker 1: claims he was abused in foster care, I don't feel
Speaker 1: what he needed to be like, well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Right that said, I found a lot of reporting on
Speaker 1: how inadequate the support supplemental income is for foster parents
Speaker 1: with disabled kids, and this all does vary from state
Speaker 1: to state. But like one article I found via stat
Speaker 1: News quotes a foster mother in Missouri who says it
Speaker 1: is about it being these payments is about a third
Speaker 1: of what is actually spent out of pocket on taking
Speaker 1: care of a child.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: So again, I just don't see the evidence that this
Speaker 1: is a particularly likely scam. No, you don't get rich
Speaker 1: taking and disabled foster kids. Really, there are some weird
Speaker 1: scamsally here about people get in a bunch of kids
Speaker 1: and in fact to make them work for him, which
Speaker 1: we will talk about in the second. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: and again I'm not saying like this key these kids
Speaker 1: didn't both experience abuse, Like, given the number of families
Speaker 1: they passed through, it would be almost impossible for them
Speaker 1: not to have experienced He did a number of abuse.
Speaker 1: I give the amount of abuse.
Speaker 2: Right exactly, and just the fact even outside of that
Speaker 2: being passed from home to home, the chaos of this
Speaker 2: is incredibly traumatic.
Speaker 1: So yes, I try to be I try to have
Speaker 1: like an open mind about this book because I've read
Speaker 1: a lot of articles from foster parents who seem to
Speaker 1: be people of really good will talking about how inadequate
Speaker 1: the system is. And I've made over the course the
Speaker 1: least ten years of my life, a lot of friends
Speaker 1: who were in foster care from an early age, none
Speaker 1: of whom like the system or feel good about it,
Speaker 1: all of whom feel very, very bad about how the
Speaker 1: system works. This is not I'm not gonna I don't
Speaker 1: I'm not going to pretend this is a comprehensive look
Speaker 1: at it, but like it's really opened my eyes up
Speaker 1: to like, I'm not going to say this is a
Speaker 1: good thing that's being unfairly slandered. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: try to I'm going to try to look at sort
Speaker 1: of what seems likely based on the evidence, you know,
Speaker 1: visa via his claims, and he does make some other
Speaker 1: allegations about this foster family, which will be he and
Speaker 1: his brother's last, that are more credible. He claims his
Speaker 1: foster mom used him for free labor, making him work
Speaker 1: for hours in her garden and around the house as
Speaker 1: a quote unquote slave. Leo's account comports somewhat with his brothers,
Speaker 1: although he doesn't compare it to slavery. He just says
Speaker 1: they were strict and they had to do a lot
Speaker 1: of chores, right, Yeah, But it's not hard to find
Speaker 1: cases of foster parents using foster kids as unpaid labor.
Speaker 1: The most shocking recent example of this is a case
Speaker 1: that just concluded in West Virginia. A couple, Jean K.
Speaker 1: White Feather and her husband, Donald Lance, were convicted of
Speaker 1: forcing their five adopted children, all of whom were black,
Speaker 1: to work as slaves on their farm. They had started
Speaker 1: adopting kids from a shelter for vulnerable youths in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: and then moved to Washington State and finally West Virginia
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. They were ultimately reported to the
Speaker 1: Canawao County Sheriff after a neighbor spotted Lance locking a
Speaker 1: girl and her brother in the shed in a shed
Speaker 1: for NBC News, the Sheriff's office said the two children
Speaker 1: in the shed had no running water or bathroom and
Speaker 1: had been deprived of adequate hygienic care and food. The
Speaker 1: children said they slept on the concrete floor and had
Speaker 1: been locked inside for twelve hours before they were found.
Speaker 1: Another girl was found inside the home. An indictment alleged
Speaker 1: that the couple targeted the children for forced labor because
Speaker 1: of their race. They were charged with human trafficking, child neglect,
Speaker 1: forced labor and other crimes, and in a happy ish ending,
Speaker 1: they were convicted and sentenced to two hundred and fifteen
Speaker 1: and one hundred and sixty years in prison, respectively. So
Speaker 1: that's a happy is she then that's a happy ish ending? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that seems like about two hundred years with the prison.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, fair also oof.
Speaker 1: So again, I don't know if Aligio is telling the
Speaker 1: truth about this family, But it's not like this doesn't happen, right,
Speaker 1: being forced to work an unreasonable amount because you're a
Speaker 1: fought particularly a black foster kid. You can find more
Speaker 1: stories than the one I quot you right now. It's
Speaker 1: also worth noting that this last couple that they live
Speaker 1: with owns a church, right, and so these brothers are
Speaker 1: forced to go to Bible study and attend church regularly.
Speaker 1: And there's this mix of things where Alisio clearly learns
Speaker 1: how to be a preacher a lot about how people
Speaker 1: talk about religion, and it's going to make him very
Speaker 1: effective at talking about religion at conversion, at the kind
Speaker 1: of shit a cult leader needs to do.
Speaker 2: Right, he gets speaking in general talking about religion, but
Speaker 2: also speaking to a group of people, being charismatic, being
Speaker 2: drawing them in.
Speaker 1: And when you see him talk, if you like me,
Speaker 1: have just spent way too much time looking at different
Speaker 1: evangelical like you know, fringe set and stuff. It's like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I get where this comes from, right, you know? Again, folks,
Speaker 1: watch the movie mar Jo if you want a little
Speaker 1: more of an education on that. Alisio claims that he
Speaker 1: was told several times he was a demon and that
Speaker 1: he became scared of his reflection in the mirror. You
Speaker 1: hear this a lot from kids who are stuff like this,
Speaker 1: a lot from kids who are reasoned evangelical. So I
Speaker 1: feel no need to like question that claim. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: he has also alleged that these last foster parents physically,
Speaker 1: although not sexually, abused him. His younger brother feels a
Speaker 1: little differently, And I think this may just be them
Speaker 1: both interpreting the same thing differently, because his brother Leo,
Speaker 1: has acknowledged that they were both spanked regularly when they misbehaved,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't describe this as abnormal or extreme, and
Speaker 1: it may not have been. Right. There's a lot like
Speaker 1: it's always bad to hit kids, you know. Also it's
Speaker 1: pretty normal to spank kids, right, Yeah, And so the
Speaker 1: fact that Alisio calls this abuse and Leo doesn't. I
Speaker 1: don't see it necessarily as discrepancy and what happened I
Speaker 1: know either.
Speaker 2: Uh, that's up for interpretation. Also, Leo's little brother, Leo,
Speaker 2: he was already in this house.
Speaker 1: Prior, right, he went in a little earlier and.
Speaker 2: Also younger, so maybe his experience was different. Or again,
Speaker 2: maybe he's leaning into the story for the narrative of
Speaker 2: his life either.
Speaker 1: Way, yeah, or maybe it's the kind of thing where, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were both spanked and that's not good. You shouldn't
Speaker 1: hit kids for any reason. But also like Eligio's kind
Speaker 1: of upselling it to have because having the super right
Speaker 1: and like he doesn't need to his backgrounds very sad.
Speaker 1: It's the narrative.
Speaker 2: But I also understand that there's different room for different
Speaker 2: interpretations than the older child. I don't know which more
Speaker 2: of a brunt too.
Speaker 1: Absolutely my like I cans like, I wouldn't. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: qualify what I did as like particularly again, it was
Speaker 1: not excessive for the time, but I definitely got spanked
Speaker 1: more than my brother because during the time when I
Speaker 1: am older than my brother and during the time when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, it was more normal, right, And
Speaker 1: my parents changed as society changed on that matter. Right,
Speaker 1: Like I got people.
Speaker 2: You know, more because I was an angel.
Speaker 1: Right, you were perfect. Of course we were always talking
Speaker 1: about this kid.
Speaker 2: No, it's because it changed the baby. They didn't by
Speaker 2: the time I was around, they didn't feel as good
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And you know, there's there's a number of
Speaker 1: things that are possible here, but I don't see any
Speaker 1: reason for him to be not. And we do have to,
Speaker 1: like I'm not trying, like you do have to litigate
Speaker 1: a cult leader's backstory even when it is this sad,
Speaker 1: because like they lie about a lot of stuff. They're
Speaker 1: cod leads, you know. Like, so I think we I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that we're doing like a fair enough job of
Speaker 1: being like this is probably true. This one. There's less
Speaker 1: evidence for, you know. Alicio says that the abuse he
Speaker 1: endured is what inspired him to begin committing petty crimes
Speaker 1: and running away. He would periodically be gone for days
Speaker 1: at a time, during which you would do stuff like
Speaker 1: just steel cars for the hell of it, commit petty robberies,
Speaker 1: burglarized houses and cars. I have relatives who had severe
Speaker 1: ADHD it did stuff like this so again, I like
Speaker 1: this does it all seemed pretty consistent. He was arrested
Speaker 1: several times. Quote, I got locked up for everything. I
Speaker 1: was so young, I was committing so many crimes. And again,
Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing if you're white, if
Speaker 1: your parents have money, this doesn't last on your record.
Speaker 1: He's not, you know, all those parents do have some money.
Speaker 1: After this cycle repeated itself a few times during his adolescence,
Speaker 1: he was finally convicted and sentenced to five years of
Speaker 1: juvenile detention, which is where he spends the remainder of
Speaker 1: his time as a child. Right, the rest of the
Speaker 1: last five years of his childhood, I mean, and his
Speaker 1: first year of adulthood. Really, he spins incarcerated. At age sixteen,
Speaker 1: he is sent from a juvenile detention area to East
Speaker 1: Jersey State Prison. So they're like, well, at sixteen, you're
Speaker 1: ready for the adult prison, and this week can absolutely
Speaker 1: verify happens, right, And this is deeply abusive by the system,
Speaker 1: by the state. No, kids should not go to prison.
Speaker 1: I don't really think ever, like sixteen year olds aren't adults.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't treat him that way, even when they do
Speaker 1: horrible stuff, you know, even when they're committing murders. There's
Speaker 1: still not adults, you know, but this is the way
Speaker 1: the government is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we have done several yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The juvenile the juvenile offender system is just bastards
Speaker 1: all the way down. It's like a fucking hedgerow of evil.
Speaker 1: You couldn't drive a fucking tank through it. So this
Speaker 1: is where he's going to spend the rest of his childhood.
Speaker 1: He describes this as a desperate and miserable time during
Speaker 1: which he repeatedly tried to kill himself. He was transferred
Speaker 1: to the prison psych ward for some time as a result.
Speaker 1: I have no trouble at like believing this. This is
Speaker 1: an extraordinarily common story. Suicide is, at large, just among
Speaker 1: all young people in the United States, the third leading
Speaker 1: cause of death, and being a youth in custody substantially
Speaker 1: increases your odds of attempting suicide or succeeding at it.
Speaker 1: Incarcerated children complete suicide between two and four times as
Speaker 1: often as youth and the general population. It is worth
Speaker 1: noting the evidence suggests that the kind of kids who
Speaker 1: wind up in custody are also likelier to have struggled
Speaker 1: with suicidal ideation before incarceration. More than one third of
Speaker 1: juvenile detainees report thinking of suicide in the six months
Speaker 1: prior to detention, and that number is almost fifty percent
Speaker 1: for female detainees.
Speaker 2: Wow, none of that's shocking.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's worth it's always worth bringing up, right,
Speaker 1: people should always have this, be reminded of this. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not at all. If you are casually aware of
Speaker 1: how any of this works, you're like, yup.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's ultimately released in two thousand and one, after his
Speaker 1: nineteenth birthday. He goes back so again. By the time
Speaker 1: he is on an adult in the free world quote
Speaker 1: unquote for the first time, he spent about a quarter
Speaker 1: of his life behind bars. So not great, slightly more
Speaker 1: than a quarter if I'm remembering my tipping math, which
Speaker 1: is the only math I know how to do. Aligio
Speaker 1: goes back to live with his family for this foster
Speaker 1: family for a while, but for what should be obvious reasons,
Speaker 1: that doesn't go well. Right, He's ultimately kicked out. At
Speaker 1: least that's his story. Maybe it was more of a
Speaker 1: there's some I've heard some versions of it that like
Speaker 1: he chose to leave. I don't know. I don't think
Speaker 1: it matters all that much. Thankfully, he has made contact
Speaker 1: with several of his siblings at this point, from which
Speaker 1: he's been estranged since he was very young, right and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his sisters, and they seem to they're doing their best
Speaker 1: for their little brothers, right, that's the That's the feeling
Speaker 1: I get because he couch serfs with several of them
Speaker 1: for different periods of time. It never lasts. He is
Speaker 1: very hard to live with, and he is I just
Speaker 1: given based on what happens later, I have no trouble
Speaker 1: believing a pretty abusive person to live with. They really
Speaker 1: are trying. It sounds like, based on both his account
Speaker 1: and the accounts that you get from other members of
Speaker 1: the family, that like they do attempt. He count serves
Speaker 1: with his sisters for a while, he couch serves with
Speaker 1: an old friend, and kind of between the two of them,
Speaker 1: he's able to gradually, over several months, make his way
Speaker 1: from New York City down to South Philly. This is
Speaker 1: where he gets his first adult job as a security guard,
Speaker 1: and he seems to feel good enough about this that
Speaker 1: he decides the army is a good place for me, which, okay,
Speaker 1: a lot of people make a decision like this, and
Speaker 1: you know, outside of the whole problem of what the
Speaker 1: army does, you know, imperialism, all that good stuff. I
Speaker 1: do know a lot of people who will tell you
Speaker 1: quite out both. I don't recommend other people joined the army.
Speaker 1: And I would have killed myself if I hadn't joined
Speaker 1: the army or the Marine Corps or whatever, I would
Speaker 1: have wound up dead. Right, that's a very just a
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 2: It's an of something to go do. But yeah, you
Speaker 2: are something.
Speaker 1: To go do. And I know people who like because
Speaker 1: their parents, because they they had no no one who
Speaker 1: told them how to be an adult fight like finally,
Speaker 1: like being in the military and having older people as
Speaker 1: mentors who are like here is how you exist in
Speaker 1: the world as a person was something they desperately needed. Right,
Speaker 1: So sometimes it does work out out to people. For people,
Speaker 1: this is yeah, So he's this is posed. It's not
Speaker 1: a great time to join the army, one of the
Speaker 1: worst times. I don't know that it would have begne
Speaker 1: well for him. But he's not allowed to stay. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to put from that right up in Rolling
Speaker 1: Stone quote. He has said he completed basic training but
Speaker 1: was discharged when the Army learned of his psychiatric treatment.
Speaker 1: And this is probably again, if he had tried a
Speaker 1: few years later, they probably would have kept him because
Speaker 1: during like the surge, right they were they were letting
Speaker 1: a lot of dudes with sketchy histories, like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: just need bodies. You want to take a samurai sword
Speaker 1: and a share, fuck it go, Like that's a little
Speaker 1: thing that happened. That's an actual guy that said, you know,
Speaker 1: if you are innately, if the army won't take you
Speaker 1: in like two thousand and two, you probably don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of jobs you can get hired for, right, Like,
Speaker 1: that's just a reality. And he's going to spend the
Speaker 1: next several years of his life on the verge of homelessness,
Speaker 1: desperately pivoting from one gig and location to the next.
Speaker 1: He signs up with the job Corp, but he leaves
Speaker 1: very quickly. He looks back up with his little brother Leo,
Speaker 1: who's an adult now, and they moved to New York
Speaker 1: City with one of his older sisters for a while
Speaker 1: until she kicks him out or they have a fight
Speaker 1: and they leave. They wind up in Augusta, Georgia, next
Speaker 1: where they crash with another sister, and again just a
Speaker 1: shatteringly common story for people who come from this kind
Speaker 1: of associate, who are orphaned, who grow up super poor,
Speaker 1: who wind up in the foster system. Stuff like this
Speaker 1: is not right. Now, There's a lot of people who
Speaker 1: have experiences like this, and most of them don't become
Speaker 1: abusive cult leaders like Alicio. Right, important context, he gets
Speaker 1: his next full time job at this point, working six
Speaker 1: days a week at a slaughterhouse, probably not good for
Speaker 1: his mental health. One of the worst jobs you can do,
Speaker 1: I say this is someone who slaughters animals, Like slaughter
Speaker 1: housework is just a fucking nightmare. Right. He starts drinking
Speaker 1: and smoking weed constantly as a coping mechanism for how
Speaker 1: traumatizing doing this job is. Yeah, yeah, it's about I mean,
Speaker 1: my mom used to because she had a donut shop
Speaker 1: that you know, bankrupted the family. But like when that's
Speaker 1: some of my earliest memories. And she would deliver to
Speaker 1: the Tyson Chicken plant near Iabell, Oklahoma, and that you
Speaker 1: could smell that place from a half hour away, right,
Speaker 1: like I can't eat like and she always just left
Speaker 1: after delivering it, looking haunted. It's just a bleak thing
Speaker 1: to have to do.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you won't catch me anywhere near a slaughterhouse.
Speaker 1: No, avoid factory farmed meat people if you can, which
Speaker 1: you know often you can, although everything's getting more expensive.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do whatever you can do. I'm not young.
Speaker 1: It's miserable work. So he starts taking drugs a lot more.
Speaker 1: You get the feeling. I think this might be a
Speaker 1: guy who is schizotypal. I don't know that he's been
Speaker 1: dieg gnosed with that. It's just because of some of
Speaker 1: the things that happened later. Either way, the fact that
Speaker 1: he starts smoking weed is not going to be good
Speaker 1: for him. Neither is the drinking. He increasingly has issues
Speaker 1: controlling his anger. During one argument with his older sister,
Speaker 1: he punches her in the face and she kicks him
Speaker 1: but not his little brother out of the house. So again,
Speaker 1: this is a guy. I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: the first physical violence that he uses on someone close
Speaker 1: to him, but this is the first kind of documented case.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a pattern in his life. And
Speaker 1: so Bishop's going to spend the next several weeks living
Speaker 1: on the street. He's outright homeless now until a friend
Speaker 1: of his and it's kind of unclear from the interviews
Speaker 1: I've heard. A lot of this comes from interviews pieced
Speaker 1: together by that Hood Horror's YouTube channel, which again you
Speaker 1: should check out. This guy doesn't have a lot of followers,
Speaker 1: but is very good at what he's doing. I really
Speaker 1: recommend it's like a seventeen part series. So by far
Speaker 1: I've done my best. That Rolling Stone article is good.
Speaker 1: The hoodh Horrors piece is by far the most detailed
Speaker 1: history of this guy. If you find yourself really interested
Speaker 1: in everything that's happened with this cult. But it is
Speaker 1: a long It's like nine or ten hours of content, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So again, he gets invited by this friend of his
Speaker 1: to come crash in Atlanta. He manages to get work
Speaker 1: as a barber. And one of the things that you're
Speaker 1: getting from this, in addition to the bad stuff, is
Speaker 1: that he must be pretty charming to a lot of people,
Speaker 1: because he does keep getting invites with people to stay
Speaker 1: with him and crash with him. A lot of folks,
Speaker 1: including people who aren't his blood relatives, try to help him,
Speaker 1: right Yeah, So.
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking. All these people that let
Speaker 2: him couch sir for crash, there's got to be a reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's got to be a reason.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: This isn't. This isn't a guy who is like a
Speaker 1: purely toxic force to the people in his life. Otherwise
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be getting these opportunities, right. So he gets
Speaker 1: some work as a barber for the first time during
Speaker 1: this period, and he's able to like make a living
Speaker 1: at it. He has some skill with this, but barbering
Speaker 1: doesn't pay a lot, or at least the way he's
Speaker 1: doing it, he's not making good money, obviously, I know
Speaker 1: some people do quite fine with it. So he starts
Speaker 1: basically flirt you being a sugar baby for women who
Speaker 1: have more money than him, which is basically every woman.
Speaker 1: He has almost no money at this point. He says, quote,
Speaker 1: I used my body, I used my looks in order
Speaker 1: to get money and access to cars from various women.
Speaker 1: He also starts selling weed to supplement his lifestyle. And
Speaker 1: as you'll see, you know, some people are just kind
Speaker 1: of naturally jacked, Like they have to work out some
Speaker 1: but like working out a fairly minimal amount, eating an
Speaker 1: okay diet, they're just shredded. He's one of those people, right,
Speaker 1: Being jacked comes fairly easily to him. You know, he's
Speaker 1: never doing well enough to afford his own place at
Speaker 1: this point. And this is me reading in between the
Speaker 1: lines a little bit. I think it might be more
Speaker 1: that he is unwilling to spend any of his money
Speaker 1: on rent, so he's always living with someone, usually a
Speaker 1: girlfriend who he inevitably cheats on constantly. And this is
Speaker 1: how he winds up for the third time homeless, and
Speaker 1: because he gets kicked out of the house for cheating.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The desperation of this situation convinces him to take an
Speaker 1: offer that he had been given by someone else to
Speaker 1: start stripping at a gay strip club. He describes himself
Speaker 1: as going gay for pay and you know, I, Sophie
Speaker 1: will show you some photos here. There's documented evidence of
Speaker 1: him at this point as a dancer, as a stripper
Speaker 1: and a sex worker. He claims, quote, I was the
Speaker 1: number one dancer that was hosting the shows in every
Speaker 1: arena in Atlanta. I can't verify this, but like, yeah, so,
Speaker 1: how did you describe this guy looking from those what
Speaker 1: Sophie's showing Like pretty hot? He's pretty hot, Like he's
Speaker 1: he's he's yoked. You know, he's a good look.
Speaker 3: Ye works out, oiled up, he knows.
Speaker 1: How to dress like he looks pretty good.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I could see when he It's one of those things.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was the number one male
Speaker 1: stripper in Atlanta, but like, yeah, I could see him
Speaker 1: doing gay mail stripper. I could be like, I can
Speaker 1: see him doing pretty well. Yeah. I don't have trouble
Speaker 1: believing that he's this is something he's able to like
Speaker 1: do quite well at His stripper name is Tyson for
Speaker 1: Tyson beckfiy for.
Speaker 3: I forgot one image?
Speaker 1: Oh what's that? I was it the naked one where
Speaker 1: he's holding the water bottle over his cock.
Speaker 2: Okay, why'd you forget that one?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Because I mean that's a good one. It was on
Speaker 3: a separate page.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you'll pull that up. There we go, There
Speaker 1: we go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a lot of people's tender profile right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're lucky, Jesus, if you're lucky, you'll see
Speaker 1: the tea pendant he's wearing. That's because his stripper name
Speaker 1: is Tyson for Tyson Beckford who is a Jamaican American
Speaker 1: actor and model who hosted two seasons of Make Me
Speaker 1: a Supermodel and was one of Ralph Lauren's big male
Speaker 1: models for years. I don't know much about the model industry,
Speaker 1: but what I read casually says he's one of the
Speaker 1: rare male models who is like as big as some
Speaker 1: of the biggest female models, right in terms of like
Speaker 1: his incomference name, he's very big, he's a big deal,
Speaker 1: suggests insists that he was and is entirely straight, and
Speaker 1: that this was a purely mercenary arrangement for him. That said,
Speaker 1: he doesn't actually seem to be like homophobic or transphobic.
Speaker 1: So there's that, I guess, good for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, completely rotten inside. That's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just not I don't think he has any
Speaker 1: personal care about that whatsoever. He's certainly not a super
Speaker 1: judgmental guy when it comes to that stuff. Speaking of
Speaker 1: people who won't judge you, our sponsors will never judge you.
Speaker 2: They would never they would never dream of it.
Speaker 1: They're the only people who love you and the only
Speaker 1: people you can trust. I think we can all agree
Speaker 1: on that, certainly, certainly for me, no argument from anyone.
Speaker 1: Why would you argue. We're back and we're talking about
Speaker 1: this fucking guy. So guy, things are starting to go
Speaker 1: well for him, he's making good money. He also continues
Speaker 1: serially dating women, and he gets one of these ladies
Speaker 1: pregnant with a child, Elisha Alisio Junior, and he seems
Speaker 1: to have no further contact with this kid beyond naming him.
Speaker 1: Soon after this, he gets another lady pregnant, Maisha. Maisha
Speaker 1: has two kids prior to meeting him. They get together
Speaker 1: and start living in the same home, and he names
Speaker 1: their son Osiris. And he does spend some time with
Speaker 1: this kid, trying to parent him. And he'd been doing
Speaker 1: pretty well, okay, at least financially before, but now he
Speaker 1: is effectively taking care of both, you know, this first
Speaker 1: kid that he seems I think he sends some money to.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's not totally up on his child support.
Speaker 1: He's supporting this second kid, and he's helping Maysha support
Speaker 1: or other kids. And he finds himself strapped, right, the
Speaker 1: stripper money is not alone enough for this, so he
Speaker 1: starts working as a like an escort, right, a gay escort,
Speaker 1: and like you know, he's now having sex for pay, right,
Speaker 1: and he also stars in at least one pornographic film.
Speaker 1: I suspect there are more. Knowing how that industry works,
Speaker 1: but we have documentation of at least one. This is
Speaker 1: not easy for him. He begins drinking more heavily, and
Speaker 1: when he gets drunk he's often physically violent. This comes
Speaker 1: to a head in twenty eleven, and I want to
Speaker 1: play a segment of Maisha and Aleigio both discussing the incident,
Speaker 1: which is part of that Hood Horrors documentary. There were
Speaker 1: other videos where this was related, but they've been pulled
Speaker 1: from the internet, so this documentary is the only place
Speaker 1: I can find it. Again. I really do recommend watching
Speaker 1: The Rise and Fall of Nature Boy Alisio Bishop, which
Speaker 1: is like seventeen parts at this moment. But yeah, here's
Speaker 1: a brief clip of them talking about this incident.
Speaker 4: Look out the window he stabbed and my tie is
Speaker 4: to my car, so I go to the door. He
Speaker 4: come outside. I'm like, nah, like you've been drinking.
Speaker 2: I know you.
Speaker 4: I don't do you when alcohol like go ahead. He
Speaker 4: pulls me outside and I was holding onto the door.
Speaker 4: So when I hold it to the door, I closed it.
Speaker 4: He grad dragged me down the stays. He got on
Speaker 4: top of me, was beaten my face and I don't
Speaker 4: know how the police pulled up in the yard. They
Speaker 4: sat him on top of me and they pulled him
Speaker 4: off of me when I was a cop came out
Speaker 4: and over a cop pull three outdo.
Speaker 1: Murder?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so not great? Yeah, not great. He gets arrested, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for aggravated battery. Sounds like fair charges based on you know,
Speaker 1: what they say and what he has.
Speaker 2: He was trying to fucking.
Speaker 1: Kill her, Yeah, And the police report notes that Mayesha
Speaker 1: had severe swelling over her left eye the size of
Speaker 1: a fist, a laceration behind her left ear marks on
Speaker 1: her upper body, and her pajama pants were torn. He
Speaker 1: faced twenty years in prison, but by the time it
Speaker 1: took about a year for the case to come around
Speaker 1: to trial, by which point Maisha and him had reconciled.
Speaker 1: She writes the letter a judge in his favor. Bishop
Speaker 1: takes a plea deal that includes probation and a thousand
Speaker 1: dollars fine but no prison time. And again it's this
Speaker 1: thing where like they make up. He apologizes. He says
Speaker 1: that he had promised the universe that if it got
Speaker 1: him offer these charges quote, I would never hit another woman.
Speaker 1: I should note that in this is He says this
Speaker 1: in a live stream years later, and in that live stream,
Speaker 1: he immediately adds, I lied because he becomes very convinced
Speaker 1: that men abusing women is an important thing philosophically. But
Speaker 1: that's in the future, you know. At this point Mayisha
Speaker 1: takes him back. They're still living together. He does make
Speaker 1: some changes after this, although I don't know how you'd
Speaker 1: categorize these, he claims, and again these are his allegations
Speaker 1: that are not verified. He claims he befriended a wealthy
Speaker 1: Biblical scholar named doctor Mike Brown. Doctor Mike Brown is
Speaker 1: a real person with a Wikipedia and everything. He is
Speaker 1: a Messianic Judaism, which is people who believe it's like
Speaker 1: they think that they're a kind of Jews that accept
Speaker 1: Jesus as the Messiah. It's a very problematic thing. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get into it. He's a major Christian Zionist.
Speaker 1: He does have a real PhD in Bible stuff. He's
Speaker 1: got a pretty messy history in terms of shit. He said.
Speaker 1: He's held anti pride rallies. He has claimed homosexual homosexuality
Speaker 1: is caused by childhood trauma. He has in the past
Speaker 1: supported conversion therapy and Uganda's criminalization of homosexuality. He's also
Speaker 1: claimed not to be anti gay, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is an example of him having softened or
Speaker 1: just lying. I don't know, you know it's He's definitely
Speaker 1: has said some really fucked up shit. He has been
Speaker 1: accused of sexually inappropriate behavior by a female employee, and
Speaker 1: he denies these allegations. Alegio has apparently claimed that the
Speaker 1: two a clandestine relationship, and that for years doctor Brown
Speaker 1: paid him three thousand dollars a month as an allowance
Speaker 1: and also fronted him the money he needed to start
Speaker 1: his own barbershop. He starts his own barber shop around
Speaker 1: this time he has money from somewhere. I have no
Speaker 1: I'm saying this because this is a thing you can
Speaker 1: get sued over, and I absolutely do not want to
Speaker 1: be misreporting this. There is no outside verification or confirmation
Speaker 1: of any kind that his allegations against doctor Brown are true,
Speaker 1: nor have I come across similar allegations against Brown. Again,
Speaker 1: the allegations against him are that he is abusive to
Speaker 1: a female colleague, right, not that he's hiring male prostitutes
Speaker 1: or doing a sugar But those are not allegations I
Speaker 1: hear anywhere else from him. So I am telling you
Speaker 1: this because these are the things that Aligio claims, not
Speaker 1: because there's outside verification of this. I don't know the truth.
Speaker 2: Robert, You guys, he's doing his.
Speaker 1: Best, really trying to state what the actual known facts
Speaker 1: are here. What we do know is that he gets
Speaker 1: enough money to start a barber shop. It is not
Speaker 1: a small shop. He hires a team of barbers. Photos
Speaker 1: make it look like more than a dozen shares in
Speaker 1: the shop, and it does fairly well. It seems to
Speaker 1: be a pretty successful business. He starts to make good
Speaker 1: money during this and he's you know, this business is
Speaker 1: supporting a decent number of people. He lets his little
Speaker 1: brother live in the back. He won't let him be
Speaker 1: a barber, but he'll let him sweep up after. I
Speaker 1: don't know why Leo seems pissed about it. So things
Speaker 1: are going pretty well, but this is a grind. You know,
Speaker 1: running a small business is not easy. I've never heard
Speaker 1: anything that makes it sound like barbershop is an easy
Speaker 1: kind of business to run. And he grows exhausted with
Speaker 1: the grind and starts getting obsessed with the idea of
Speaker 1: living closer to nature and dropping out of society who
Speaker 1: amongst us, right, common common thing to desire? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: not a weird story. Unfortunately, he starts to explore this
Speaker 1: by meeting a bunch of like hippies on the internet
Speaker 1: and watching YouTube videos from different creators in the Black
Speaker 1: Consciousness community, which we'll talk about in more detail, but
Speaker 1: it essentially mixes. This is a subculture. The Black consciousness
Speaker 1: or conscious community online is a subculture just sort of
Speaker 1: a collection of YouTubers. There's some podcasters, some rappers who
Speaker 1: have this mix of like very standard hippie back to
Speaker 1: the land style ideology with also an education on like
Speaker 1: the history of racism in the United States that is
Speaker 1: unfortunately mixed with stuff that gets scammier like quote unquote
Speaker 1: natural health and astrology. And from what I can tell,
Speaker 1: it's a broad subculture. So depending on who you get
Speaker 1: obsessed with as a creator in this, you might wind
Speaker 1: up learning about both like you know, organic farming and
Speaker 1: making human manure and stuff. All of it's your wonderful things.
Speaker 1: And alongside like the destruction of Black Wall Street and
Speaker 1: Tulsa and the move bombing right, very real conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: But there's also a sizable chunk of this community well,
Speaker 1: you will learn some very not real conspiracy theories, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a very slope.
Speaker 2: And there's different communities. It's like, yeah, I want to
Speaker 2: take that, but.
Speaker 1: Not that you ye, And it's difficult when like so
Speaker 1: much of it is about like this is a this
Speaker 1: is a largely black community, talking about like the history
Speaker 1: of racism against and like institutionalized bigotry against black people
Speaker 1: in the United States. There's so many real conspiracies, and
Speaker 1: it's also once you hear about those easy for a
Speaker 1: lot of people to get pulled into the stuff that's
Speaker 1: not so real. He gets really interested in black Israelite stuff,
Speaker 1: which is basically black people are the lost thirteenth tribe
Speaker 1: of Israel or whatever. He gets into a lot of
Speaker 1: anti vaccine stuff, which is adjacent to a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, to at least elements of this subculture. Alisio's
Speaker 1: loved ones at the time mostly describe him obsessively watching
Speaker 1: videos about conspiracy theories and natural health, and particularly when
Speaker 1: Mayisha talks about this, she always says he's watching conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory videos. He buys an RV never a good sign,
Speaker 1: never a good if your friend like drops out of
Speaker 1: social interactions, spends months watching YouTube videos and then buys
Speaker 1: an RV. You need to intervene. He's about to do
Speaker 1: something bad.
Speaker 2: These are red flags.
Speaker 1: These are red flags that said, in this particular case,
Speaker 1: this is more a sign of where things are going.
Speaker 1: The RV itself doesn't in too badly. He and Maisha
Speaker 1: live on the road for a month and try to
Speaker 1: just like let other people run the barber shop, but
Speaker 1: they're bad at it, and so he's forced to come
Speaker 1: back from Florida to stop it from going out of business.
Speaker 1: Once he's backed, to try to keep himself interested in
Speaker 1: the barbershop, he sets up a stage there, which initially
Speaker 1: he's like, so local acts can play right, people can
Speaker 1: do stand up or you know, musicians can do stuff.
Speaker 1: He gives out liquor and beer and stuff, which is
Speaker 1: not super uncommon for barbershops. So he's trying to like
Speaker 1: make it into a community space. But that becomes him
Speaker 1: primarily using that stage to give speeches that are like
Speaker 1: rants about his different pet theories. And at this point
Speaker 1: he's embraced a couple of specific theories. One of them,
Speaker 1: and this is an older pre existing theory, is the
Speaker 1: idea that higher amounts of melanin in the skin can
Speaker 1: correlate directly to higher IQ. Right, the more melanin you have,
Speaker 1: the smarter you are. And kind of what goes with
Speaker 1: that is exposing yourself to sun by spending as much
Speaker 1: time nearly naked outdoors as possible makes you smarter.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay.
Speaker 1: He also starts to believe that bathing is bad for you.
Speaker 1: You don't need to bathe if you eat only fruit
Speaker 1: or other foods that don't make you smell. This is
Speaker 1: a thing Steve Jobs believed. No one else agrees with this,
Speaker 1: and also as.
Speaker 3: A reminder, Steve Job washed his feet in the toilet.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, now that is something Elisia would not do
Speaker 1: because Alisio believes toilets are evil. He comes to you
Speaker 1: insist and believe very strongly that pooping and peeing indoors
Speaker 1: is one of the greatest evils you can perpetuate because
Speaker 1: they make they are. By doing that, you are robbing
Speaker 1: nature right of your critical you know of nutrients and stuff.
Speaker 1: I want to play a clip of him talking that
Speaker 1: was republished by Hood Horrors. This is from all of
Speaker 1: his stuff has been taken off the internet. After the
Speaker 1: things that we'll talk about in Part two happened, So
Speaker 1: it's hard to find a lot of this. These different
Speaker 1: kind of documentaries online about him are some of the
Speaker 1: only sources remaining, which is why I'm going back to
Speaker 1: this documentary. I do want to again continue to you know,
Speaker 1: shout out the Rise and Fall of Nature boy Alisio
Speaker 1: bishop on hoodhars. It is a really good piece of work.
Speaker 1: But here is him talking years later explaining his theories
Speaker 1: about poop. So this gives you an idea. This is
Speaker 1: filmed later, but it gives you an idea of like
Speaker 1: the kind of shit he's saying in his rants. At
Speaker 1: this barber shop.
Speaker 3: They showed me, like where to use the backthrone, which
Speaker 3: we all use.
Speaker 4: The vacuum in the backyard.
Speaker 5: This is not shit poop. It's very sacred. When you
Speaker 5: eat right, you eat the right thing. You eat from
Speaker 5: the earth. It is no longer toxic waste. It is organic.
Speaker 5: It is soiled. You get the fruit, you eat the fruit,
Speaker 5: it eats the soil. This is how you give back.
Speaker 5: The government is taking this and putting into the toilet
Speaker 5: and stealing it and disconnecting youth from the.
Speaker 1: Universe and stealing it, stealing, stealing your poop by making
Speaker 1: you think you need a toilet to disconnect you from
Speaker 1: the universe, so you don't realize, you know, the evil
Speaker 1: schemes they're perpetuating.
Speaker 2: And see words and phrasing in there of like sacred, sacred,
Speaker 2: the government, and it's just leading into the conspiracy of it,
Speaker 2: the and the religious.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, Like, I actually have a lot
Speaker 1: of friends and have spent a lot of time myself
Speaker 1: using stuff like composting toilets. Right, I lived on and
Speaker 1: I have spent a lot of time on you know,
Speaker 1: in properties where people are like very close to a
Speaker 1: closed loop. I have known and know people who do
Speaker 1: the very close to zero impact environmentally, like they produce
Speaker 1: all their own food, they turn all of their own waste.
Speaker 1: It is possible. It's a lot of work. It is
Speaker 1: much more complicated. And I want to and I say
Speaker 1: that because I want to make it very clear. He
Speaker 1: is not saying you should make your poop into human manure.
Speaker 1: He is not an advocate for utilizing any of this
Speaker 1: waste in any way. He just thinks you should only
Speaker 1: shit in the backyard. Yeah, that is very important for
Speaker 1: you to understand.
Speaker 2: It's a big difference. And I don't know that much
Speaker 2: about it. But there are some hygiene issues here.
Speaker 1: There's so we would all die if society best.
Speaker 2: I know that there are better places to be in
Speaker 2: nature than others. Yes, that it can't It can have
Speaker 2: negative consequences.
Speaker 1: If our whole society committed to like a functional extense
Speaker 1: of human hure program, sure that would be better than
Speaker 1: what we do. But if everyone just pooped in the yard,
Speaker 1: we would all get sick and die. Because it's bad
Speaker 1: to just poop in the yard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in general, probably you're bad.
Speaker 1: For the bad for the yard. The yard's good to
Speaker 1: just shit everywhere for the environment either, yes, Also if it's.
Speaker 2: Not toxic when you eat all the I don't know.
Speaker 1: That none of this is accurate. After one of these
Speaker 1: rants where he's just talking about how the government's stealing
Speaker 1: your poop, a former regular at the barbershop asks him, Hey, man,
Speaker 1: you used to just give us drinks when we came
Speaker 1: to get a haircut. What happened to the drinks?
Speaker 2: So this is changing?
Speaker 1: He is not happy at the barber shop. The barbershop's
Speaker 1: not super happy with him, and in short order he
Speaker 1: works out a deal to basically give away sell his
Speaker 1: ownership of the barber shop and exchange for an ongoing
Speaker 1: interest in the business to somebody. He's already committed himself
Speaker 1: to begin copying the Conscious community figureheads he'd grown obsessed with,
Speaker 1: and he'd even bought up a new name for himself,
Speaker 1: and from this point forward he no longer goes by
Speaker 1: Alicio Bishop. He now uses a new name, nature Boy,
Speaker 1: and we will be talking about that and his growth
Speaker 1: into a significant figure within the Conscious community in Part two.
Speaker 1: How you feeling so far, Katie.
Speaker 2: I'm feeling great. I'm excited to hear what happens to
Speaker 2: Nature Boy.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing. A lot of people pooping
Speaker 1: in backyards. There we go. Beatles song, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Wait is that a Beatles song?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of Beatles song. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just think it is Mother Nature's son, Mother Nature
Speaker 2: Son different, a little bit different.
Speaker 3: I just think of a former side character on Behind
Speaker 3: the Bass or Rick Flair.
Speaker 1: That's right, Oh yeah, Rick Flair the Nature Boy. Also,
Speaker 1: I think pissed on a chair or something at one
Speaker 1: point in that story, if I'm remembering right. So you know,
Speaker 1: similar guys, maybe part of that maybe someone his chair.
Speaker 3: Well, he was part of the he was one of
Speaker 3: the ones that was in the adoption scandal where he
Speaker 3: was just kidnapped.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was stolen as a baby. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: he was definitely stolen as a baby.
Speaker 3: Player comes back is what I'm yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, everybody, Katie you want to plug your pluggables.
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Speaker 6: Go do that?
Speaker 1: Yep? All right, well everybody go poop in your backyard.
Speaker 3: Don't do that.
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