WEBVTT - Part One: The Sordid Story of Nature Boy: The Instagram Cult Leader Who Hates Toilets 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:08.600 Also media, welcome back for Behind two four from with 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:11.680 Behind the Bastard. It's a podcast. You know what, it's 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:15.200 about bad people. We tell you all about them. I'm 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:19.520 Robert Evans, and back once again on the show is 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:24.800 Arch guest Ace guest Katie Stall. How are you doing, Katie? 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:30.400 Oh? Wonderful, bad, fine, I don't know, pick a word. 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:35.720 I'm doing it all at once. It's just really hard 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.320 to understand my emotions these days. But I'm here and 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:40.400 I'm happy to be here. 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:45.760 Yeah, I'm generally like terrible. Okay, that's that's kind of 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:46.800 the way I feel. 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.839 You know, I'm bad, but there's a lot of people 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:52.760 that are getting it a lot worse, So I'm fine. 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:57.680 Yeah, there you go. Bad, other people are worse. Everything's good, 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:02.920 umh or bad. I don't know how everything is. 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:06.200 I think so dumb, dumb, dumb, the dumb dumb. 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:08.280 Yeah, we used to have we used to have that 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:10.720 as a as a theme song, and then things got 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.440 even dumber. You know what. I love it when people say, boy, 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.040 you should still be doing your podcast because the years 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:21.200 just get worse. But obviously, ever since Senator Sanders uh 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:25.760 uh came after us, you know, there's there's we simply 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:26.640 can't anymore. 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.120 Yeah, it's too much liability. 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.839 Too much liability after that massive, massive lawsuit. 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.839 Well that's what happens. I guess when you out someone 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:39.440 is killing JFK before the files are released. 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:42.480 That's that's right. Obviously the files that just got released, 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.640 look them up, completely vindicate us. 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.360 But you know, yeah, but it's unfair. 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:51.040 It's unfair. You all lost a podcast, and Katie and 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:55.000 I both lost out on purchasing are our yachts, So 0:01:55.200 --> 0:02:01.040 that's that's a bummer. I mean, exact replica of the 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:02.320 boat from Jaws. 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:04.880 But like a miniature version. 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:08.400 Yeah, very small, very small, like the Lego size one. 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:12.920 Yeah, and dream though someday, Robert, Robert, why did you 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.640 not warn me about the images I'm going to have 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.240 to show Katie in this podcast? 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:18.840 I just scrolled and it's. 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:21.040 Warned me. 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.680 So we don't. We don't do stuff like that because 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.680 then you wouldn't be surprised. And that's part of me 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.640 enjoying the podcast that we do. I had to watch 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.440 like fucking so many hours of this of motherfucking online 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:37.960 documentaries about this guy because all of his stuff has 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.280 been pulled off the Internet, Katie, we're doing a cult 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:44.000 leader today. We're doing We're doing a new cult leader. 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.960 We're like, I mean, this guy's a little older than me. 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.920 But the cult is very much like gen Z. Like 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:54.520 it's a very modern, like social media driven cult and 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.399 it's kind of one of the most you know, there's 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.280 that document about those Twin Flames people that was a 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.080 very like modern online cult. But this guy is, like, 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.160 this is a Facebook and Instagram cult leader that we're 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.240 talking about today. That's how he builds everything. 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.600 Okay, the new school cult leader. I like it. 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah, because like back in the day, we've 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:15.960 always had cults, but we used to have a lot 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:19.320 fewer because it was harder, Like two three thousand years ago, 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:20.840 if you wanted to start a cult, you had to 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:22.760 just sit down and talk to a bunch of people 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:26.040 and convince them of shit, and like, you know, maybe 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.679 if you got really good, a couple of your followers 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:30.360 would be good at talking and you can get them 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:32.800 to travel around and like talk, but. 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:37.040 That you delegate that part, yeah, and that's hard, you. 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.080 Know, and it's slow, and usually you get killed by 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.880 the Romans before all of that works its way out, right, 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:45.880 which is why Jesus was never able to buy the 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.880 Green Bay Packers, which if you've read the Bible properly 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:53.880 you'll understand was his ultimate goal. Yeah, as it is mine, 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:56.520 I'd be a good owner for the Packers. 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:01.200 Katie Robert, Are you the second coming of Jesus? 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:01.800 No? 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:03.800 And I'm the second coming of whatever guy was good 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:04.760 at coaching the Packers. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.840 Okay, I couldn't speak to that. I don't know. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:09.839 I just like the hats. I don't know much about 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:17.919 the team anyway. As time has gone on, cult leaders 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.520 have always been on the bleeding edge of technology, right, 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:23.840 because the key thing in terms of making it possible 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.200 for cult leaders to spread more effectively and for there 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.360 to be more cults is that there are more ways 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.560 with low barriers, for people to reach large numbers of 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.479 other human beings. You know, thousands of years ago, you 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:40.640 had to like get an elite following and hope some 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:42.760 of those guys would be really good at talking and 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.120 really loyal and would go spread the message, right, And 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:49.360 that's just fucking difficult. Then, you know, if you want 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:50.960 to look at it this way, I think this is 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:52.640 the right way to look at it. Cults are a 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.920 lot like pornography, and that they're always on the bleeding 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.920 edge of technology because that's the only way they can 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:05.680 stay profitable. Right, Like, porn will always adopt the new 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.960 technology that's going to be kind of the future before 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:13.520 like mainstream Hollywood, right, because Hollywood's got they've got margins, 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.920 you know that, which is why you see you know, 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.240 three hundred or million dollar movies every year that flop 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:21.839 and the industry doesn't quite go under because like, well, 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:24.960 you know, we have the ability to take some gambles here. 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.080 Porn can't afford to gamble like that, right, So they 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:29.360 really have to be to be. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:33.320 True, you've got to be adaptable in the porn industry absolutely, 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.520 you know, Robert, I've heard you share a lot of 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.680 hot takes, but this might be my favorite one. Yeah, 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.120 just comparison between cults in the porn industry. 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:45.479 Yes, edge of technology, always on the edge of technology, right. 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:49.480 And so you know, colts, the printing press huge for cults, right. 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.200 Colts immediately re figured out how to like, oh, we 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.960 can now just put out our writing material or reading 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:56.800 material however the fuck we want. Right, and then you 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.599 get you know, you get your Mormon churches and stuff, 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.320 like that, and part as a result of the fact 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.000 that it's a lot easier to print stuff. Now, the 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.719 radio makes it a lot easier to spread stuff. And 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.680 obviously television, boy howdy, that really super charges things, you know, 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.040 And then you start getting all these I mean, among 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:17.560 other things like the prosperity Gospel, these different sort of 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.440 like quote unquote Christian churches that are all about if 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.200 you give me money to buy a jet, God will 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.839 make your wildest dreams come true. You can't do that. 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:29.080 That doesn't work very well through like a magazine, right, Oh. 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.320 Definitely not. You're not getting the same kind of return 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:33.359 on investment there. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:35.840 It's the same thing with like if you have if 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.919 you have a creator that you listen to way too much, 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.120 that person will probably be have an unfair influence on 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.120 you because they're in your ears one hundred hours a week, right, 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.559 And if you're attending one of these like big cult 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.239 churches and doing it two or three times a week, 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.440 and they're constantly talking about how you need to give 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.560 the money to go to heaven, you'll probably do it. Right. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:57.760 I'm easily manipulated. 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:02.080 Yeah, yeah, we all are. Actually, is the real answer 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.000 behind why do people do the things that they do. Well, 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.240 we're kind of stupid and it's easy to fuck with us. 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:09.720 You're selling me a dream. 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.560 I want that dreamy. Look, we've all bought steaks from 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.720 some guy's car at a certain point in our lives, 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.640 right among us? Who among us? If you were ever 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.360 dumb enough to buy a frozen steak or speakers from 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.400 a guy's car, you are dumb enough to have fallen 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:30.240 for something at some point, right, especially, we need better education. Yeah, 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.960 and you know you're kind of getting to where we 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.160 are now, which is like, yeah, the printing, plays, the radio, TV, 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.160 all of that increase the reach different cults and cult 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.880 leaders could have. But the Internet and most particularly social media, 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.280 that has really given these people unprecedented power. And it's 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:47.880 why we now live in a day and age where 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.600 they basically run a lot of stuff, right, if not 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:54.840 everything right. Everything's kind of a cult these days because 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.960 cults work among other things, like there's this talk right 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.360 now about the tariffs, people being like, oh my god, 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.680 finally his his base is going to leave him because 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.120 of the tariffs, And I'm like, I don't know if 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:09.080 you guys have read about like the different cults where 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.680 a guy would tell everyone the world's ending on this day, 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.480 and then it wouldn't, And then, still with a big 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:16.840 chunk of the loyal core of the of the colt 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:18.680 would be like, I guess we'll wait around for the 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:20.680 next one. I don't know what else to do with 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:21.680 my life. 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.600 Yeah, they're in too deep at this point. 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:25.840 They still put out. 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:30.760 That's the way it always, even when you know they've 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:34.240 been starving, they can't afford, they still collapsed. 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:38.360 They still put out clothes for l Ron Hubbard. 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.120 Well, and they should because he's coming back. We all 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:46.559 know that, Sophie. I've been saying, no, not l R. 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.359 I can, and he would. He would have loved TikTok. 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.199 That man would have been the best at TikTok. He 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.040 would would have had such a good TikTok. 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.000 Honestly, we've all missed out. That could have been a 0:08:59.040 --> 0:08:59.679 beautiful thing. 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:03.160 Forevery that's really the great like what if of history? 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.920 Like yeah, screw these people, Like what if it literally 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:06.440 been killed? 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:06.560 Now? 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.080 What if l Ron Hubbard had access to TikTok and 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:10.120 a billion people? 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:13.760 I think he would have bought TikTok. 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.720 I think he would have bought TikTok yeah, oh my god, 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.440 what a time. What if LRH had had TikTok and 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:27.240 no zembic, nothing would have stopped it. So the Internet 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.720 and most particularly social media, has presented these would be 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.920 cult leaders of our day with a tool of unprecedented power. 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.400 The power if we talked about back in the day 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:40.200 stochastic terrorism, right, which is trying to incite just random, 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.920 large groups of people in the hope that some amount 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.920 of them actually carry out attacks. Well, Stochastic messaging for 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.160 cult leaders means that even if a cult leader of 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:52.600 middling charisma and skill can get a platform that reaches 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.440 thousands or hundreds of thousands, or you know, millions or 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.240 more people, the vast majority of those people in any 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.680 case aren't going to actually do more than watch or 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:04.160 read him. But if a percent of a percentas that's 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.280 more than enough to build the kind of following that 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:07.520 can take care of you. Right. 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.040 Sure, it's just. 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.480 A numbers game. Now, this week, we're going to tell 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.440 the story of a cult leader who got his start 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.240 dozens of followers and hundreds of thousands of dollars, all 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.400 thanks to Facebook and Instagram. Our subject for this week 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.520 is interesting part because he's not very talented, like as 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.480 a cult leader like LRH we joke about, but a 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:29.600 Hubbard was really good at some things. And that's part 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.120 of what makes his story really fun, is that, like 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.280 you are watching a man who knows his business fuck 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.720 up the world. Right. This guy is not very good 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.679 at anything. I don't think he's particularly bright, and I 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.800 don't think he would have succeeded at creating a cult 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.280 in any other period. This is a tale of a 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:50.080 cult made possible by social media. And if your ambition 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:51.839 is to start a cult of your own, I think 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:53.760 these episodes would be a pretty good guy on how 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.160 to do that, and you should do that. Go start 0:10:56.160 --> 0:11:01.160 a cult, right, there's consequences. These episodes do end with 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.720 consequences for this guy, but most of the time it doesn't. 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:06.839 You know, hopefully we can learn from his mistakes and 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:08.239 how to do it more successfully. 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.160 Learn from his mistakes, and remember your goal should be 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:15.000 the presidency, not an isolated compound where you have many, 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.360 many sister wives. One of those ends better than the 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:23.640 other historically. We'll see, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:25.760 Still a lot of time from planning sister wife to 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:29.120 be proven of the wisest yeah, that's right, all right. 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.440 So our bastard for this week is a guy named 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:35.559 Alisio Bishop. He was born in Harlem, New York, in 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.640 nineteen eighty two. Probably, like most cult leaders, he lies 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.640 constantly and a hard details about his early life are 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:46.320 thin on the ground. The best and most expansive piece 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.959 of traditional journalism about the man is an article Rolling 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.040 Stone published earlier this year. Here's how it describes his 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.280 earliest years. Bishop was born in Harlem in nineteen eighty 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.480 two and said that he was a crack baby. The 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.520 story of his upbringing, he lays out in his social 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.840 media is his troubled efforts to get in touch with 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.480 family members were unsuccessful. 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.839 Now this is to fact check it. 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.640 Yeah, yeah, to be like, is any of this true? Right? 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:11.880 Rolling Stone is like, we tried and we couldn't talk 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.320 to them. I do like this article and I respect 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.360 it for providing like reasonably good context on a guy 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.000 who's had basically nothing written about him beyond a few 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:23.000 short news articles. And those are those are all focused on, 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.200 like you know, there's there's a couple of specific crimes 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.680 that he's involved in, and so they're all very much 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.560 like focused on those points in time. The Rolling Stone 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:36.079 article covers those points, but it also it tries to 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.720 give a more detailed account of Bishop's life, and as 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.200 a result, it's, you know, one of our better sources. 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.320 But I will say it still gets some stuff wrong, 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:50.320 you know, and particularly the paragraph that I just read, 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.440 I think is an example of some kind of why 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.920 we can't use that as our primary source. And so 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.560 the best source I found on this guy, weirdly enough, 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.200 is a YouTube channel called a Hood Horrors, which has 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:05.280 a little more than four thousand subscribers. This is not 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.320 a big channel. It seems to focus primarily on shady 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:12.800 characters from what's called the conscious community or Black consciousness community, 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.800 which is a subculture online that we'll discuss a bit later. 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.720 And Hudharror has did a seventeen part series on Elijio 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:23.360 or Alligio that is very fairly well edited and written 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:28.040 and includes original interviews as well as extensive documentation of 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:31.000 hundreds of hours of videos posted by his cult that 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.040 have now been deleted. So it's the only place to 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.440 get at least glimpses of a lot of the first 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:39.880 hand sources on this stuff. And they I think they're 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.160 coming at him from a more sympathetic angle than I am, 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.480 because he's kind of a shady member of the broader 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:48.439 community they're a part of. But they do a really 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.839 good job of, I think, giving you details on his life, 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.880 and it's I got to say no shade on Rolling 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.160 Stone because their article was useful too, but it's the 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:00.400 best single source on this guy. And they play audio 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.240 of Algio talking where he claims that he was born 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.120 addicted to heroin as opposed to crack, which is what 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:10.920 the Rolling Stone claimed. I don't know whether he was 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:14.440 born addicted to heroin, her crack or both. It's not impossible. 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.280 Both are basically true, and they're both bad. 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:21.880 Let's be real, it sucks to be born addicted to anything. 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:23.160 Yeah, because then you don't get all the fun of 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:24.480 starting to do it. 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:28.720 Yeahragedy here, and then if your tolerance is already high 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:29.720 as a baby. 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.680 Where it's going to be so expensive by the time 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:34.960 you're thirty, Jesus. 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.320 Sure surely the parents just think about the fact that 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.120 his life, he's going to always be trying to chase 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.960 a bigger high. It's how he got here. 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.320 Yeah, that is essentially this story here. So we've got 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.720 one picture of his mom and dad. I don't even 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.840 have his father's name, but as you can see from 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:55.280 the photo, he was a lot older than her, Like 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.480 there is a there's a sizeable age in between these 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.520 two people. And he dies of a heart attack right 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:05.440 after Bishop is born. Sure, he looks like he's right 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:07.760 on the customs. He looks like he's right on the edge. 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:09.480 Yeah. 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.680 Now, so after he dies, Patricia and her kids live 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:16.320 in government housing, and one of Bishop's older sisters, who's 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.080 about seven years old at this time, said this about 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.000 her recollections of their childhood. It wasn't all good memories, 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:23.880 but it was a lot of good memories there. So, 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.280 you know, he has kind of a weird situation with 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:31.000 his dad. Money's not super you know, common for them, 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.920 but they have a pretty loving household, at least acclording 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:38.000 to several of his siblings now. And this is where 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.280 part of why I think Aligio is able to identify 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.120 with gen Z. Like gen Z, he comes into the 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.160 world too late to have any recollections of the good times, 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:51.480 you know, Like there's a period of time in which 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.360 his parents are doing well and he misses that entirely. 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.840 A few months before his second birthday, CPS takes him 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.880 and his siblings away from their mother. She had been 0:15:59.920 --> 0:16:02.720 a user of hard drugs for quite a while, and 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.960 her use had escalated to the point where friends of 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.160 the family had called the government about it. They were like, 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.440 she can't be alone with those kids, right, and she 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:14.880 overdoses fatally. Months after this, one of Alicio's later sisters 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.320 older sisters, later said she was street and that's why 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.520 she died so young. She died at thirty three. You 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.280 can't be doing nothing but the street if you died 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:26.760 at thirty three. So that's what the family says about 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:30.200 this kid's mom. It is kind of worth noting that 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:34.000 that's the account that he gives in late videos years later, 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.080 or that the account that a member of his family 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.840 gives and videos posted years later. He will claim to 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.760 have no memory whatsoever of either of his parents, although 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.960 there's some allegations that this is basically a defense mechanism 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.680 right stop himself from feeling what happened to them. As 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:53.480 much so makes sense. He and his siblings all become 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:56.240 wards of the state after this. He separated from all 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.840 of his sisters, but he and his younger brother Leo 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.880 get to stay together for a while. They bounce from 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.520 foster home to foster home, but they are repeatedly kicked 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:08.439 out of each for fighting. So they get found by 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.439 foster at foster homes. He and his younger brother are 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.080 taken in and then they'll just beat the shed out 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.479 of each other and get kicked out. Which, first off, 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.720 if you're a fat foster family taken in two young brothers, 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:19.159 they're gonna beat each other up. 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:23.600 Yeah, like you got to take less issue with than 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.760 if you're assaulting the foster parents or something. 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.160 But yeah, you're little boys. They're two little boys. They're 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.679 going to fight. So this is enough of a problem 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.600 though that when Bishop is seven, the state finally separates 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.359 him from his brother and he gets sent to a 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.200 foster house in Queens that's run by a couple Mister 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:46.600 and Missus Pope and his younger brother Leo isn't there now. 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:49.640 He will later claim that he was sexually abused while 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.280 in this foster home. He alleges that he was molested 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.720 and forced to engage in sexual behavior with other foster 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:58.000 kids while mister Pope took pictures of them. Statistically, this 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.240 is not unheard of. An estimated forty percent of foster 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.480 kids endure some sort of abuse during their time in 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.920 the system, and at least forty five percent of foster 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.520 kids are sexually abused while in the system, a rate 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:13.200 that raises significantly above the background level. And Bishop isn't 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:16.280 the only witness here, but I don't see a whole 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.600 lot of game gain for him to have light of 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:23.080 us about this, right which, and the way this usually 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.080 comes up is he's being interviewed on his own backstory 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.880 for podcasts and you two streams by other creators within 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:32.280 this consciousness subculture, and he'll talk a lot about his 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:35.720 dad mentally and sexually abusing him. He claims that as 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.720 a result of the abuse, he began acting out, humping 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:40.960 both boys and girls in school with his clothes on. 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.000 At another point, he claims to have let a dog 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:47.760 lick his penis, saying I don't regret it either, which 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.040 is you know, I mean, first off, you know got 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:51.439 to tell people that story, man. 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.520 Yeah you can. 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:55.359 You can take that bad boy to the grave. 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:58.960 Which, uh, there's plenty of things that don't need to 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.320 be shared. First, Yeah, you're shock or what have you. 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:04.200 But that's a thing he said. 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.919 Okay, kids do a lot of weird things. And I 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:08.639 try to be like, yeah, I mean, you know a 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:10.200 lot of kids do weird shit, but like you don't 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.000 need to tell anyone that that didn't need. 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:19.960 The keeness. I don't know if that is something boys do. 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.240 Yeah, I mean, you know, boys do stuff, but not 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.040 that I'm gonna well, I'm gonna say, obviously, he's not 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:28.919 the first boy to do that, right, Like that's a 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.800 that's a specific joke about like kids putting peanut butter 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:35.840 on their junk. Sure, but it's also it's not common. 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:38.480 You know, of all of all of the weird, fucked 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.760 up things I knew other young dudes to do with 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.960 their junk, none of them did that because it's it's 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.040 a little weird, a little weird. 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.600 I you know, a little boy, Okay, there's gonna be 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:51.439 plenty of things in this. 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.080 He's a little boy, he's not he can't be blamed 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:57.280 for it, right, like a small boy just like experimenting 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.000 in a way that's weird, Like you should you should 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.200 you need to talk to him, be like, hey, that's 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:03.760 not something you can do. That's not something you could 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:05.480 do to a dog, and it's not something you should 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:06.280 be doing. To yourself. 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.040 There's some guidance needed. 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.960 But guidance this is necessary. But yes, if we were to. 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:15.400 Believe the story that he's laid out from his life, 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:17.840 I will acknowledge that this is a very traumatic start. 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.040 Not a lot of good guidance for this guidance. 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:26.920 Yeah, and you know again, it's this, it's this situation 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.840 where a lot he frames this as a result of 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:34.600 and reaction to the abuse he's experiencing from mister Pope, right, Yeah, 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:36.800 And after some period of time he works up the 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:39.520 courage to report mister Pope to a social worker and 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:42.120 to the foster system's credit, which I won't say often here, 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:45.320 he gets sent to live with someone else very quickly. 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.119 Right now. The next family he's sent to is a 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.560 foster family in the Bronx who had also adopted his 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:54.600 younger brother Leo. And yeah, so first off, the brothers 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:58.000 are back again. That seems good. These people are stable, 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:00.560 they live in the suburbs, they've got a large house, 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:02.639 and they have at least an upper middle class amount 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.560 of money. And so he's pretty happy there at first, right, 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.440 he describes later it was beautiful nature out there and 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.280 things are looking up right, Maybe We've got our little 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.920 orphanane story coming together. You know, the suns come up, 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:20.680 it's tomorrow. Except for no, it is not, as Bishop 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:24.240 and Leo would both complain, It's still like this house. 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:26.560 With these people who had access to, you know, a 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.320 lot more resources, they still weren't very nice or nurturing 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.840 per Algio. They wouldn't let me use a washing machine. 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.320 We had to wash clothes by hand. He couldn't let 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:37.359 me have my tight my lights in my room, like 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:39.119 there was no light in my room. It was just 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:42.280 a dresser in darkness. He has stated another videos that 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:44.040 one of his new foster parents told him it was 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:49.000 because I was dark skinned, I was dirty. Ooh yeah, whooo. 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:52.520 Okay. I don't love any of that. 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:57.400 Don't love any of that now. In the interviews published 0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:00.000 by Hood Horrors, Leo has claimed that around this time 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:02.600 he and his brother were both diagnosed with learning disorders, 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:06.320 including add Bishop claims that he was put on Riddlin, 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:08.960 and Leo states that both brothers were moved to special 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:13.080 led because of all this. Where stories diverge is that 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:15.159 Aligia is later going to claim that this is all 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:17.359 the result of a con done by his foster mother 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:19.679 to get additional checks from the government for taking in 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:24.679 two disabled boys. I don't think this is true. Foster 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:27.320 parents do get a stipend that can increase if their 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:29.960 kid has higher cost due to a disability, and these 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:33.760 stipends cap out at a fairly low level. Although as 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:35.760 raids vary from state to state, it's hard for me 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:39.240 to say exactly how it goes. The general consensus online 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:41.960 seems to be that there are no real stipends that 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:46.560 will defray the cost in a super massive way. Yeah, 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:49.520 it's just not going to happen. Speaking of things that 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:52.800 aren't going to happen, me miss out on these products 0:22:52.800 --> 0:23:02.520 and services. Oh, we're back, so well, we're talking about 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:07.480 how you know. Our boy here, Alicio Bishop, has been 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:11.760 taken to He's had a rough upbringing, right, His parents 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:16.080 are both dead. He's been moved to one foster home 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:19.560 where he was sexually abused, and then he's been finally 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:21.919 moved to another, which is a step up. It's with 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:24.960 his brother, right. These people live in the suburbs in 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:28.280 a large house. They've got some amount of money, and 0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:31.320 he's happy at first, recalling at a later interview it 0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:34.080 was beautiful nature out there, which I guess if you 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:36.560 grew up in you know, central New York City, the 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:38.359 suburbs qualify as nature. 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:41.360 Sure, yeah, it's more nature. 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:44.760 It is a lot more nature. There's some trees out there, right. 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:45.640 Yeah. 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:48.199 However, as both he and his brother would later complain, 0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:51.280 it still wasn't what you'd call a nice or nurturing environment, 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:54.840 per Aligio. They wouldn't let us use a washing machine. 0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:56.959 We had to wash clothes by hand. He wouldn't let 0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:58.679 me have lights in my room. Like, there was no 0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:01.200 light in my room. It was just a dresser and darkness. 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:04.480 Bishop has stated in other videos than one of his 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:06.960 new foster parents told him this was because I was 0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:10.840 dark skinned, I was dirty, and I don't know. Yeah, 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:13.399 I mean, yeah, it's to and you know this is 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:17.600 not like Again, He's not the only person who's expressed 0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:22.240 things like this about his upbringing. You know, you can 0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:24.280 find stories like this a lot, not just connected to 0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:26.880 the foster system, but connected to the foster system, which 0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:28.239 has a lot of issues with it. 0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:29.000 Absolutely. 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:32.960 In interviews published by Hoodhorrors, Leo, his brother, has claimed 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:36.240 that around this time they were both diagnosed with learning disabilities, 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:40.560 including add aligio. Claims that he was put on Riddlin 0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:43.240 and Leo states that both brothers were moved to Special ED. 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:46.480 Because of all of this, that all seems pretty cut 0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:49.720 and dry. Where stories diverge is that Aligio, who's again 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:52.200 our subject this week the guy becomes a cult leader, 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:55.720 later claims that the add diagnosis and being moved to 0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:57.840 Special ED is the result of a cohn by his 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:00.560 foster mother to get added checks from the government for 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:03.960 taking them two disabled boys. From what I have been 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:08.360 able to read, this seems unlikely. There are stipends that 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:10.760 you get for having a kid with a disability as 0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:14.000 a foster parent, but from what everything people say online, 0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:17.480 these stipends cap out at a fairly low level, and 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:21.360 although rates do vary from state to state, the general 0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:24.280 consensus online seems to be that the best these stipends 0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:26.760 do is somewhat mitigate the cost of taking in a 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:29.960 child who needs extensive medical care. And it's worth noting 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:32.000 the things that these boys are being claimed of as 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:34.879 having aren't the things that get you the highest dollar. 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:40.240 It's just add right, he does, That's not that's it. 0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:43.800 We're talking not a disability, I you know, maybe a 0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:44.640 learning disability. 0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.520 It's a learning disability. Sure, yeah, but it's it's not 0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:49.639 that it's not a it's that when you're talking about 0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:51.280 like the higher amounts of money that you can get 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:53.240 as a stipend, it is for something like your kid 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:57.679 needs constant life saving medical care, a wheelcare on their own, 0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:01.200 and even then it's not much more right, it doesn't 0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:04.159 cover the cost of their actual health care. So it's 0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:07.080 the idea that, like his age, especially since if you 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:10.160 watch enough videos with this guy, I'm not surprised he's 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:13.119 got ADD or you know, ADHD probably now is what 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:14.199 he'd get diagnosed with. 0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:15.639 I'll just say I have AD. 0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:20.639 It's not uncommon. Yeah, I don't. There's a lot about 0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:23.399 his background that I don't feel any need to question 0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:25.680 because it happens to a lot of kids. I don't 0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:28.800 think he's being accurate about this conspiracy around him being. 0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:33.439 Given mind of this early nineties maybe exactly, but you 0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:35.840 like an early two thousand development. 0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:39.800 Based on my memory of the late nineties, more of 0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:42.879 the people my friends and family members were on riddling 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:45.439 than weren't. So again, the idea that this had to 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:48.120 be a conspiracy, I'm just not buying, right, Like it's 0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:51.560 just not super rare for kids to have been on riddling. 0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:55.320 Back then, right, right, So I anyway, but this is 0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:56.119 a story. 0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:58.200 This is he's not going to at least he's going. 0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:00.400 To claim Yeah, well I will, but I'm a wait 0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:00.680 to see it. 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:03.560 Our job, his brother doesn't make. His brother's just like 0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:05.040 yeah we had add you know. 0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:08.600 Yeah what I'm not sure yet because we're going to 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:13.000 see where this is building. All of this is valid, horrifying, 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:17.000 and this stuff happens. And I don't know how much 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:21.960 this cult leader is milking or not milking, but you know, 0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:25.800 leaning into something for the story of his personality. 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:28.000 And that's where you have to go. I try to 0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:31.400 when trying to determine how reliable different claims he makes are, 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:34.080 I have to go to the evidence. Right, about forty 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:36.640 percent of kids in foster care will be will experience 0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:39.280 some kinds of abuse, right, So the fact that he 0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:41.840 claims he was abused in foster care, I don't feel 0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:43.639 what he needed to be like, well, I don't know. 0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:47.000 Right that said, I found a lot of reporting on 0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:51.399 how inadequate the support supplemental income is for foster parents 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.080 with disabled kids, and this all does vary from state 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.240 to state. But like one article I found via stat 0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:00.879 News quotes a foster mother in Missouri who says it 0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:03.120 is about it being these payments is about a third 0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:05.200 of what is actually spent out of pocket on taking 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:05.920 care of a child. 0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:06.320 Right. 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:08.919 So again, I just don't see the evidence that this 0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:12.920 is a particularly likely scam. No, you don't get rich 0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:17.240 taking and disabled foster kids. Really, there are some weird 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:19.320 scamsally here about people get in a bunch of kids 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.800 and in fact to make them work for him, which 0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:24.800 we will talk about in the second. But yeah, so 0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:28.360 and again I'm not saying like this key these kids 0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:31.480 didn't both experience abuse, Like, given the number of families 0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.280 they passed through, it would be almost impossible for them 0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:36.439 not to have experienced He did a number of abuse. 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:37.800 I give the amount of abuse. 0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:41.280 Right exactly, and just the fact even outside of that 0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:44.920 being passed from home to home, the chaos of this 0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:46.520 is incredibly traumatic. 0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:49.960 So yes, I try to be I try to have 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:51.840 like an open mind about this book because I've read 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.080 a lot of articles from foster parents who seem to 0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:56.400 be people of really good will talking about how inadequate 0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:58.640 the system is. And I've made over the course the 0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:00.320 least ten years of my life, a lot of friends 0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:03.400 who were in foster care from an early age, none 0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:05.600 of whom like the system or feel good about it, 0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:07.760 all of whom feel very, very bad about how the 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.280 system works. This is not I'm not gonna I don't 0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:13.200 I'm not going to pretend this is a comprehensive look 0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:16.200 at it, but like it's really opened my eyes up 0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:18.520 to like, I'm not going to say this is a 0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:21.200 good thing that's being unfairly slandered. So I'm going to 0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:23.240 try to I'm going to try to look at sort 0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:26.040 of what seems likely based on the evidence, you know, 0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:28.360 visa via his claims, and he does make some other 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:31.040 allegations about this foster family, which will be he and 0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:33.560 his brother's last, that are more credible. He claims his 0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:36.320 foster mom used him for free labor, making him work 0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:38.520 for hours in her garden and around the house as 0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:42.640 a quote unquote slave. Leo's account comports somewhat with his brothers, 0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:44.600 although he doesn't compare it to slavery. He just says 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:46.520 they were strict and they had to do a lot 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:49.720 of chores, right, Yeah, But it's not hard to find 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:53.280 cases of foster parents using foster kids as unpaid labor. 0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.640 The most shocking recent example of this is a case 0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:59.800 that just concluded in West Virginia. A couple, Jean K. 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.960 White Feather and her husband, Donald Lance, were convicted of 0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:05.840 forcing their five adopted children, all of whom were black, 0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.760 to work as slaves on their farm. They had started 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.840 adopting kids from a shelter for vulnerable youths in Minnesota, 0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:14.440 and then moved to Washington State and finally West Virginia 0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:17.200 in twenty twenty three. They were ultimately reported to the 0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:20.120 Canawao County Sheriff after a neighbor spotted Lance locking a 0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:22.280 girl and her brother in the shed in a shed 0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.600 for NBC News, the Sheriff's office said the two children 0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:27.760 in the shed had no running water or bathroom and 0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:30.640 had been deprived of adequate hygienic care and food. The 0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:32.760 children said they slept on the concrete floor and had 0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:35.160 been locked inside for twelve hours before they were found. 0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:38.320 Another girl was found inside the home. An indictment alleged 0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:40.640 that the couple targeted the children for forced labor because 0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:43.400 of their race. They were charged with human trafficking, child neglect, 0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:47.400 forced labor and other crimes, and in a happy ish ending, 0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:49.640 they were convicted and sentenced to two hundred and fifteen 0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:52.400 and one hundred and sixty years in prison, respectively. So 0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:56.360 that's a happy is she then that's a happy ish ending? Like, yeah, 0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:58.800 that seems like about two hundred years with the prison. 0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:03.400 Yeah, okay, fair also oof. 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:07.720 So again, I don't know if Aligio is telling the 0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:11.520 truth about this family, But it's not like this doesn't happen, right, 0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:14.479 being forced to work an unreasonable amount because you're a 0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:17.360 fought particularly a black foster kid. You can find more 0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:20.200 stories than the one I quot you right now. It's 0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:22.880 also worth noting that this last couple that they live 0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:26.040 with owns a church, right, and so these brothers are 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:28.720 forced to go to Bible study and attend church regularly. 0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:32.040 And there's this mix of things where Alisio clearly learns 0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:35.840 how to be a preacher a lot about how people 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:38.320 talk about religion, and it's going to make him very 0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:43.080 effective at talking about religion at conversion, at the kind 0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:44.200 of shit a cult leader needs to do. 0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:47.440 Right, he gets speaking in general talking about religion, but 0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:51.440 also speaking to a group of people, being charismatic, being 0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:52.520 drawing them in. 0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.160 And when you see him talk, if you like me, 0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:57.240 have just spent way too much time looking at different 0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:01.360 evangelical like you know, fringe set and stuff. It's like, oh, yeah, no, 0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:04.360 I get where this comes from, right, you know? Again, folks, 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:06.040 watch the movie mar Jo if you want a little 0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:09.560 more of an education on that. Alisio claims that he 0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:11.840 was told several times he was a demon and that 0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:14.680 he became scared of his reflection in the mirror. You 0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.440 hear this a lot from kids who are stuff like this, 0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:19.480 a lot from kids who are reasoned evangelical. So I 0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:23.920 feel no need to like question that claim. Yeah. So 0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:27.440 he has also alleged that these last foster parents physically, 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:31.600 although not sexually, abused him. His younger brother feels a 0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:33.960 little differently, And I think this may just be them 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:38.160 both interpreting the same thing differently, because his brother Leo, 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:41.560 has acknowledged that they were both spanked regularly when they misbehaved, 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:45.120 but he doesn't describe this as abnormal or extreme, and 0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:48.000 it may not have been. Right. There's a lot like 0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:52.520 it's always bad to hit kids, you know. Also it's 0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:55.840 pretty normal to spank kids, right, Yeah, And so the 0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:58.680 fact that Alisio calls this abuse and Leo doesn't. I 0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:02.320 don't see it necessarily as discrepancy and what happened I 0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:03.040 know either. 0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:07.400 Uh, that's up for interpretation. Also, Leo's little brother, Leo, 0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:09.040 he was already in this house. 0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:11.960 Prior, right, he went in a little earlier and. 0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:15.360 Also younger, so maybe his experience was different. Or again, 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.840 maybe he's leaning into the story for the narrative of 0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:20.240 his life either. 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.720 Way, yeah, or maybe it's the kind of thing where, yeah, 0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:24.920 they were both spanked and that's not good. You shouldn't 0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:28.680 hit kids for any reason. But also like Eligio's kind 0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:31.720 of upselling it to have because having the super right 0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:34.400 and like he doesn't need to his backgrounds very sad. 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:36.840 It's the narrative. 0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:39.520 But I also understand that there's different room for different 0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:41.959 interpretations than the older child. I don't know which more 0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:43.080 of a brunt too. 0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:45.960 Absolutely my like I cans like, I wouldn't. I wouldn't 0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:48.440 qualify what I did as like particularly again, it was 0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:51.719 not excessive for the time, but I definitely got spanked 0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:54.520 more than my brother because during the time when I 0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:56.400 am older than my brother and during the time when 0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:58.440 I was a kid, it was more normal, right, And 0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:02.200 my parents changed as society changed on that matter. Right, 0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:04.360 Like I got people. 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:07.040 You know, more because I was an angel. 0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:09.400 Right, you were perfect. Of course we were always talking 0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:10.080 about this kid. 0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:14.640 No, it's because it changed the baby. They didn't by 0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:16.560 the time I was around, they didn't feel as good 0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:17.000 about it. 0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.239 Yeah. Yeah, And you know, there's there's a number of 0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:20.759 things that are possible here, but I don't see any 0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:23.279 reason for him to be not. And we do have to, 0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:25.680 like I'm not trying, like you do have to litigate 0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:28.200 a cult leader's backstory even when it is this sad, 0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:30.319 because like they lie about a lot of stuff. They're 0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:33.160 cod leads, you know. Like, so I think we I'm 0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.200 hoping that we're doing like a fair enough job of 0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:37.600 being like this is probably true. This one. There's less 0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:41.840 evidence for, you know. Alicio says that the abuse he 0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:45.560 endured is what inspired him to begin committing petty crimes 0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:48.560 and running away. He would periodically be gone for days 0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:50.200 at a time, during which you would do stuff like 0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:53.000 just steel cars for the hell of it, commit petty robberies, 0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:57.000 burglarized houses and cars. I have relatives who had severe 0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:59.480 ADHD it did stuff like this so again, I like 0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.840 this does it all seemed pretty consistent. He was arrested 0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:06.000 several times. Quote, I got locked up for everything. I 0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:09.200 was so young, I was committing so many crimes. And again, 0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:11.279 this is the kind of thing if you're white, if 0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:14.160 your parents have money, this doesn't last on your record. 0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:17.760 He's not, you know, all those parents do have some money. 0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.920 After this cycle repeated itself a few times during his adolescence, 0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:24.680 he was finally convicted and sentenced to five years of 0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:27.600 juvenile detention, which is where he spends the remainder of 0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:30.320 his time as a child. Right, the rest of the 0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:32.360 last five years of his childhood, I mean, and his 0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:36.680 first year of adulthood. Really, he spins incarcerated. At age sixteen, 0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:39.320 he is sent from a juvenile detention area to East 0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:42.839 Jersey State Prison. So they're like, well, at sixteen, you're 0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:46.120 ready for the adult prison, and this week can absolutely 0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:50.400 verify happens, right, And this is deeply abusive by the system, 0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:52.800 by the state. No, kids should not go to prison. 0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:56.560 I don't really think ever, like sixteen year olds aren't adults. 0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:58.640 You shouldn't treat him that way, even when they do 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:02.279 horrible stuff, you know, even when they're committing murders. There's 0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:05.919 still not adults, you know, but this is the way 0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:06.960 the government is. 0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:13.040 Yeah, yeah, we have done several yes. 0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:18.440 Yeah. The juvenile the juvenile offender system is just bastards 0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:22.360 all the way down. It's like a fucking hedgerow of evil. 0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:27.200 You couldn't drive a fucking tank through it. So this 0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:29.200 is where he's going to spend the rest of his childhood. 0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:31.719 He describes this as a desperate and miserable time during 0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:35.440 which he repeatedly tried to kill himself. He was transferred 0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:38.160 to the prison psych ward for some time as a result. 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:40.759 I have no trouble at like believing this. This is 0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:45.040 an extraordinarily common story. Suicide is, at large, just among 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:48.160 all young people in the United States, the third leading 0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:51.920 cause of death, and being a youth in custody substantially 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:55.359 increases your odds of attempting suicide or succeeding at it. 0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:59.799 Incarcerated children complete suicide between two and four times as 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:03.000 often as youth and the general population. It is worth 0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:05.239 noting the evidence suggests that the kind of kids who 0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:08.000 wind up in custody are also likelier to have struggled 0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:12.040 with suicidal ideation before incarceration. More than one third of 0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:15.320 juvenile detainees report thinking of suicide in the six months 0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:18.280 prior to detention, and that number is almost fifty percent 0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:19.400 for female detainees. 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:21.560 Wow, none of that's shocking. 0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:25.759 No, No, it's worth it's always worth bringing up, right, 0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:29.040 people should always have this, be reminded of this. But yeah, 0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:31.640 it's not at all. If you are casually aware of 0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:33.239 how any of this works, you're like, yup. 0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:34.799 Yeah. 0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:37.360 He's ultimately released in two thousand and one, after his 0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:41.000 nineteenth birthday. He goes back so again. By the time 0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:44.359 he is on an adult in the free world quote 0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:47.360 unquote for the first time, he spent about a quarter 0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:51.319 of his life behind bars. So not great, slightly more 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:54.239 than a quarter if I'm remembering my tipping math, which 0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:58.040 is the only math I know how to do. Aligio 0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:00.880 goes back to live with his family for this foster 0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:03.840 family for a while, but for what should be obvious reasons, 0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:07.640 that doesn't go well. Right, He's ultimately kicked out. At 0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:10.360 least that's his story. Maybe it was more of a 0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:13.239 there's some I've heard some versions of it that like 0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:15.160 he chose to leave. I don't know. I don't think 0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:18.960 it matters all that much. Thankfully, he has made contact 0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:21.000 with several of his siblings at this point, from which 0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:25.600 he's been estranged since he was very young, right and stuff. Yeah, 0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:29.120 his sisters, and they seem to they're doing their best 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:32.560 for their little brothers, right, that's the That's the feeling 0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:34.960 I get because he couch serfs with several of them 0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:38.040 for different periods of time. It never lasts. He is 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:40.960 very hard to live with, and he is I just 0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:43.360 given based on what happens later, I have no trouble 0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:46.680 believing a pretty abusive person to live with. They really 0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:49.960 are trying. It sounds like, based on both his account 0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:51.960 and the accounts that you get from other members of 0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:55.440 the family, that like they do attempt. He count serves 0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:57.360 with his sisters for a while, he couch serves with 0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:59.719 an old friend, and kind of between the two of them, 0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:03.000 he's able to gradually, over several months, make his way 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.719 from New York City down to South Philly. This is 0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:08.960 where he gets his first adult job as a security guard, 0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:12.160 and he seems to feel good enough about this that 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:15.560 he decides the army is a good place for me, which, okay, 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.680 a lot of people make a decision like this, and 0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:22.520 you know, outside of the whole problem of what the 0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:26.120 army does, you know, imperialism, all that good stuff. I 0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:27.480 do know a lot of people who will tell you 0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:30.839 quite out both. I don't recommend other people joined the army. 0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:32.719 And I would have killed myself if I hadn't joined 0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:34.160 the army or the Marine Corps or whatever, I would 0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:35.960 have wound up dead. Right, that's a very just a 0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:37.319 for them. 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:40.759 It's an of something to go do. But yeah, you 0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:41.680 are something. 0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:44.120 To go do. And I know people who like because 0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:47.439 their parents, because they they had no no one who 0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:50.560 told them how to be an adult fight like finally, 0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:53.080 like being in the military and having older people as 0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:55.200 mentors who are like here is how you exist in 0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:58.640 the world as a person was something they desperately needed. Right, 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:01.360 So sometimes it does work out out to people. For people, 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:07.680 this is yeah, So he's this is posed. It's not 0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:11.480 a great time to join the army, one of the 0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:14.240 worst times. I don't know that it would have begne 0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:16.680 well for him. But he's not allowed to stay. And 0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:18.480 I'm going to put from that right up in Rolling 0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:21.319 Stone quote. He has said he completed basic training but 0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:24.200 was discharged when the Army learned of his psychiatric treatment. 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:27.560 And this is probably again, if he had tried a 0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:30.320 few years later, they probably would have kept him because 0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:33.000 during like the surge, right they were they were letting 0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:36.680 a lot of dudes with sketchy histories, like, yeah, we 0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.720 just need bodies. You want to take a samurai sword 0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:42.719 and a share, fuck it go, Like that's a little 0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:48.040 thing that happened. That's an actual guy that said, you know, 0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:50.719 if you are innately, if the army won't take you 0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:54.360 in like two thousand and two, you probably don't have 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:56.920 a lot of jobs you can get hired for, right, Like, 0:40:57.000 --> 0:41:00.040 that's just a reality. And he's going to spend the 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:02.600 next several years of his life on the verge of homelessness, 0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:05.920 desperately pivoting from one gig and location to the next. 0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:08.440 He signs up with the job Corp, but he leaves 0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:11.160 very quickly. He looks back up with his little brother Leo, 0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:13.320 who's an adult now, and they moved to New York 0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:15.600 City with one of his older sisters for a while 0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:17.600 until she kicks him out or they have a fight 0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:20.680 and they leave. They wind up in Augusta, Georgia, next 0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:24.759 where they crash with another sister, and again just a 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:28.719 shatteringly common story for people who come from this kind 0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:32.520 of associate, who are orphaned, who grow up super poor, 0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:34.600 who wind up in the foster system. Stuff like this 0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:37.640 is not right. Now, There's a lot of people who 0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:40.239 have experiences like this, and most of them don't become 0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:44.279 abusive cult leaders like Alicio. Right, important context, he gets 0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:46.759 his next full time job at this point, working six 0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:49.640 days a week at a slaughterhouse, probably not good for 0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:52.160 his mental health. One of the worst jobs you can do, 0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:54.720 I say this is someone who slaughters animals, Like slaughter 0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:59.720 housework is just a fucking nightmare. Right. He starts drinking 0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:04.000 and smoking weed constantly as a coping mechanism for how 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:10.480 traumatizing doing this job is. Yeah, yeah, it's about I mean, 0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:13.560 my mom used to because she had a donut shop 0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:17.359 that you know, bankrupted the family. But like when that's 0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:19.279 some of my earliest memories. And she would deliver to 0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:23.360 the Tyson Chicken plant near Iabell, Oklahoma, and that you 0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:26.120 could smell that place from a half hour away, right, 0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:29.000 like I can't eat like and she always just left 0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:32.000 after delivering it, looking haunted. It's just a bleak thing 0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:32.759 to have to do. 0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:36.759 Absolutely, you won't catch me anywhere near a slaughterhouse. 0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:42.120 No, avoid factory farmed meat people if you can, which 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:44.840 you know often you can, although everything's getting more expensive. 0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:47.960 I don't know. Do whatever you can do. I'm not young. 0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:53.399 It's miserable work. So he starts taking drugs a lot more. 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.759 You get the feeling. I think this might be a 0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:59.719 guy who is schizotypal. I don't know that he's been 0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:01.719 dieg gnosed with that. It's just because of some of 0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:04.040 the things that happened later. Either way, the fact that 0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:06.279 he starts smoking weed is not going to be good 0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:09.560 for him. Neither is the drinking. He increasingly has issues 0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:13.080 controlling his anger. During one argument with his older sister, 0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:15.680 he punches her in the face and she kicks him 0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:19.680 but not his little brother out of the house. So again, 0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:21.560 this is a guy. I don't know if this is 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:25.080 the first physical violence that he uses on someone close 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:27.000 to him, but this is the first kind of documented case. 0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:29.560 It's going to be a pattern in his life. And 0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:31.720 so Bishop's going to spend the next several weeks living 0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:34.640 on the street. He's outright homeless now until a friend 0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:37.200 of his and it's kind of unclear from the interviews 0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:39.560 I've heard. A lot of this comes from interviews pieced 0:43:39.560 --> 0:43:42.680 together by that Hood Horror's YouTube channel, which again you 0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:45.040 should check out. This guy doesn't have a lot of followers, 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:47.520 but is very good at what he's doing. I really 0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:51.839 recommend it's like a seventeen part series. So by far 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:55.439 I've done my best. That Rolling Stone article is good. 0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:58.360 The hoodh Horrors piece is by far the most detailed 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:00.720 history of this guy. If you find yourself really interested 0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:03.239 in everything that's happened with this cult. But it is 0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:07.920 a long It's like nine or ten hours of content, right. Yeah. 0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:11.160 So again, he gets invited by this friend of his 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:13.919 to come crash in Atlanta. He manages to get work 0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:15.560 as a barber. And one of the things that you're 0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:18.120 getting from this, in addition to the bad stuff, is 0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:20.520 that he must be pretty charming to a lot of people, 0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:22.880 because he does keep getting invites with people to stay 0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:25.040 with him and crash with him. A lot of folks, 0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:27.960 including people who aren't his blood relatives, try to help him, 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:30.080 right Yeah, So. 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:32.200 That's what I was thinking. All these people that let 0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:35.800 him couch sir for crash, there's got to be a reason. 0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:37.480 Yeah, there's got to be a reason. 0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:37.839 Right. 0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:40.360 This isn't. This isn't a guy who is like a 0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:42.960 purely toxic force to the people in his life. Otherwise 0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:46.279 he wouldn't be getting these opportunities, right. So he gets 0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:48.399 some work as a barber for the first time during 0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:51.040 this period, and he's able to like make a living 0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:53.840 at it. He has some skill with this, but barbering 0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:55.959 doesn't pay a lot, or at least the way he's 0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:58.080 doing it, he's not making good money, obviously, I know 0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:01.680 some people do quite fine with it. So he starts 0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:06.160 basically flirt you being a sugar baby for women who 0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:09.080 have more money than him, which is basically every woman. 0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:11.960 He has almost no money at this point. He says, quote, 0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:14.160 I used my body, I used my looks in order 0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:16.760 to get money and access to cars from various women. 0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:19.640 He also starts selling weed to supplement his lifestyle. And 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:22.239 as you'll see, you know, some people are just kind 0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:24.839 of naturally jacked, Like they have to work out some 0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:27.400 but like working out a fairly minimal amount, eating an 0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:31.280 okay diet, they're just shredded. He's one of those people, right, 0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:38.280 Being jacked comes fairly easily to him. You know, he's 0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:41.200 never doing well enough to afford his own place at 0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:43.319 this point. And this is me reading in between the 0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:45.080 lines a little bit. I think it might be more 0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:47.680 that he is unwilling to spend any of his money 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:51.120 on rent, so he's always living with someone, usually a 0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:54.520 girlfriend who he inevitably cheats on constantly. And this is 0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:57.799 how he winds up for the third time homeless, and 0:45:57.960 --> 0:45:59.800 because he gets kicked out of the house for cheating. 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:00.480 Uh. 0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:03.239 The desperation of this situation convinces him to take an 0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:05.440 offer that he had been given by someone else to 0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:09.040 start stripping at a gay strip club. He describes himself 0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:13.360 as going gay for pay and you know, I, Sophie 0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:15.640 will show you some photos here. There's documented evidence of 0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:17.880 him at this point as a dancer, as a stripper 0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:21.279 and a sex worker. He claims, quote, I was the 0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:23.799 number one dancer that was hosting the shows in every 0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:28.680 arena in Atlanta. I can't verify this, but like, yeah, so, 0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:30.880 how did you describe this guy looking from those what 0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:34.640 Sophie's showing Like pretty hot? He's pretty hot, Like he's 0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:37.040 he's he's yoked. You know, he's a good look. 0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:43.720 Ye works out, oiled up, he knows. 0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:45.799 How to dress like he looks pretty good. 0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:46.560 Uh. 0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:51.000 I could see when he It's one of those things. 0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:52.879 I don't know if he was the number one male 0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:55.040 stripper in Atlanta, but like, yeah, I could see him 0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:56.759 doing gay mail stripper. I could be like, I can 0:46:56.800 --> 0:47:00.720 see him doing pretty well. Yeah. I don't have trouble 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:03.359 believing that he's this is something he's able to like 0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:07.640 do quite well at His stripper name is Tyson for 0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:09.000 Tyson beckfiy for. 0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:11.000 I forgot one image? 0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:13.520 Oh what's that? I was it the naked one where 0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:15.120 he's holding the water bottle over his cock. 0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:17.240 Okay, why'd you forget that one? 0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:18.240 Yeah? 0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:20.680 Because I mean that's a good one. It was on 0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:21.640 a separate page. 0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:25.600 Yeah, well you'll pull that up. There we go, There 0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:26.080 we go. 0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:30.320 Yeah, it's like a lot of people's tender profile right there. 0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:34.080 Yeah, if you're lucky, Jesus, if you're lucky, you'll see 0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:36.719 the tea pendant he's wearing. That's because his stripper name 0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:39.560 is Tyson for Tyson Beckford who is a Jamaican American 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:42.120 actor and model who hosted two seasons of Make Me 0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:44.759 a Supermodel and was one of Ralph Lauren's big male 0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:48.360 models for years. I don't know much about the model industry, 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:50.200 but what I read casually says he's one of the 0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:52.520 rare male models who is like as big as some 0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:55.120 of the biggest female models, right in terms of like 0:47:55.200 --> 0:47:58.759 his incomference name, he's very big, he's a big deal, 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.920 suggests insists that he was and is entirely straight, and 0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:07.680 that this was a purely mercenary arrangement for him. That said, 0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:10.640 he doesn't actually seem to be like homophobic or transphobic. 0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:14.160 So there's that, I guess, good for him. 0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:18.240 Yeah, completely rotten inside. That's cool. 0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:21.640 Yeah, he's just not I don't think he has any 0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:25.040 personal care about that whatsoever. He's certainly not a super 0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:28.680 judgmental guy when it comes to that stuff. Speaking of 0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:32.480 people who won't judge you, our sponsors will never judge you. 0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:35.239 They would never they would never dream of it. 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:38.040 They're the only people who love you and the only 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:40.200 people you can trust. I think we can all agree 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:43.960 on that, certainly, certainly for me, no argument from anyone. 0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:52.640 Why would you argue. We're back and we're talking about 0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:57.000 this fucking guy. So guy, things are starting to go 0:48:57.080 --> 0:49:00.640 well for him, he's making good money. He also continues 0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:03.680 serially dating women, and he gets one of these ladies 0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:08.320 pregnant with a child, Elisha Alisio Junior, and he seems 0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:11.680 to have no further contact with this kid beyond naming him. 0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:16.200 Soon after this, he gets another lady pregnant, Maisha. Maisha 0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:19.040 has two kids prior to meeting him. They get together 0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:21.640 and start living in the same home, and he names 0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:23.920 their son Osiris. And he does spend some time with 0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:28.000 this kid, trying to parent him. And he'd been doing 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:31.880 pretty well, okay, at least financially before, but now he 0:49:31.960 --> 0:49:34.720 is effectively taking care of both, you know, this first 0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:37.160 kid that he seems I think he sends some money to. 0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:40.320 I'm sure he's not totally up on his child support. 0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:44.040 He's supporting this second kid, and he's helping Maysha support 0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:46.880 or other kids. And he finds himself strapped, right, the 0:49:46.920 --> 0:49:49.960 stripper money is not alone enough for this, so he 0:49:50.000 --> 0:49:53.440 starts working as a like an escort, right, a gay escort, 0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:58.120 and like you know, he's now having sex for pay, right, 0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:01.680 and he also stars in at least one pornographic film. 0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:05.440 I suspect there are more. Knowing how that industry works, 0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:08.560 but we have documentation of at least one. This is 0:50:08.600 --> 0:50:11.279 not easy for him. He begins drinking more heavily, and 0:50:11.320 --> 0:50:14.600 when he gets drunk he's often physically violent. This comes 0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:16.680 to a head in twenty eleven, and I want to 0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:20.160 play a segment of Maisha and Aleigio both discussing the incident, 0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:23.160 which is part of that Hood Horrors documentary. There were 0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:25.960 other videos where this was related, but they've been pulled 0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:28.319 from the internet, so this documentary is the only place 0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:30.640 I can find it. Again. I really do recommend watching 0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:34.560 The Rise and Fall of Nature Boy Alisio Bishop, which 0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:36.919 is like seventeen parts at this moment. But yeah, here's 0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:38.960 a brief clip of them talking about this incident. 0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:41.759 Look out the window he stabbed and my tie is 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:44.200 to my car, so I go to the door. He 0:50:44.480 --> 0:50:47.560 come outside. I'm like, nah, like you've been drinking. 0:50:47.640 --> 0:50:48.200 I know you. 0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:51.520 I don't do you when alcohol like go ahead. He 0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:54.160 pulls me outside and I was holding onto the door. 0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:56.520 So when I hold it to the door, I closed it. 0:50:56.840 --> 0:50:59.440 He grad dragged me down the stays. He got on 0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:02.879 top of me, was beaten my face and I don't 0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:06.399 know how the police pulled up in the yard. They 0:51:06.440 --> 0:51:08.799 sat him on top of me and they pulled him 0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:12.200 off of me when I was a cop came out 0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:17.600 and over a cop pull three outdo. 0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:18.560 Murder? 0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:20.480 Wow? 0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:27.160 Yeah, so not great? Yeah, not great. He gets arrested, Yeah, 0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:32.480 for aggravated battery. Sounds like fair charges based on you know, 0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:34.359 what they say and what he has. 0:51:34.560 --> 0:51:35.719 He was trying to fucking. 0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:38.840 Kill her, Yeah, And the police report notes that Mayesha 0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:41.400 had severe swelling over her left eye the size of 0:51:41.440 --> 0:51:45.360 a fist, a laceration behind her left ear marks on 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:48.480 her upper body, and her pajama pants were torn. He 0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:50.759 faced twenty years in prison, but by the time it 0:51:50.800 --> 0:51:52.760 took about a year for the case to come around 0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:56.840 to trial, by which point Maisha and him had reconciled. 0:51:57.200 --> 0:51:59.640 She writes the letter a judge in his favor. Bishop 0:51:59.680 --> 0:52:02.520 takes a plea deal that includes probation and a thousand 0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:06.400 dollars fine but no prison time. And again it's this 0:52:06.480 --> 0:52:09.800 thing where like they make up. He apologizes. He says 0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:11.799 that he had promised the universe that if it got 0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:14.840 him offer these charges quote, I would never hit another woman. 0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:18.080 I should note that in this is He says this 0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:20.920 in a live stream years later, and in that live stream, 0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:25.560 he immediately adds, I lied because he becomes very convinced 0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:31.120 that men abusing women is an important thing philosophically. But 0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:34.480 that's in the future, you know. At this point Mayisha 0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:37.520 takes him back. They're still living together. He does make 0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:41.560 some changes after this, although I don't know how you'd 0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:46.840 categorize these, he claims, and again these are his allegations 0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:50.720 that are not verified. He claims he befriended a wealthy 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:55.120 Biblical scholar named doctor Mike Brown. Doctor Mike Brown is 0:52:55.120 --> 0:52:58.520 a real person with a Wikipedia and everything. He is 0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:04.680 a Messianic Judaism, which is people who believe it's like 0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:09.560 they think that they're a kind of Jews that accept 0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:13.040 Jesus as the Messiah. It's a very problematic thing. I'm 0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:16.239 not going to get into it. He's a major Christian Zionist. 0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:21.520 He does have a real PhD in Bible stuff. He's 0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:25.200 got a pretty messy history in terms of shit. He said. 0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:29.720 He's held anti pride rallies. He has claimed homosexual homosexuality 0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:32.120 is caused by childhood trauma. He has in the past 0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:37.520 supported conversion therapy and Uganda's criminalization of homosexuality. He's also 0:53:37.600 --> 0:53:40.920 claimed not to be anti gay, but I don't know 0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:43.520 if this is an example of him having softened or 0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:48.480 just lying. I don't know, you know it's He's definitely 0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:51.279 has said some really fucked up shit. He has been 0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:55.120 accused of sexually inappropriate behavior by a female employee, and 0:53:55.160 --> 0:53:59.600 he denies these allegations. Alegio has apparently claimed that the 0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:03.759 two a clandestine relationship, and that for years doctor Brown 0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:06.320 paid him three thousand dollars a month as an allowance 0:54:06.600 --> 0:54:08.880 and also fronted him the money he needed to start 0:54:08.880 --> 0:54:12.320 his own barbershop. He starts his own barber shop around 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:15.799 this time he has money from somewhere. I have no 0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:18.719 I'm saying this because this is a thing you can 0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:20.800 get sued over, and I absolutely do not want to 0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:25.560 be misreporting this. There is no outside verification or confirmation 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:28.880 of any kind that his allegations against doctor Brown are true, 0:54:29.440 --> 0:54:32.479 nor have I come across similar allegations against Brown. Again, 0:54:32.520 --> 0:54:35.480 the allegations against him are that he is abusive to 0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:41.040 a female colleague, right, not that he's hiring male prostitutes 0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:43.520 or doing a sugar But those are not allegations I 0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:47.799 hear anywhere else from him. So I am telling you 0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:50.680 this because these are the things that Aligio claims, not 0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:54.840 because there's outside verification of this. I don't know the truth. 0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:57.080 Robert, You guys, he's doing his. 0:54:57.400 --> 0:55:02.080 Best, really trying to state what the actual known facts 0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:05.200 are here. What we do know is that he gets 0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:07.759 enough money to start a barber shop. It is not 0:55:07.920 --> 0:55:11.480 a small shop. He hires a team of barbers. Photos 0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:13.680 make it look like more than a dozen shares in 0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:17.000 the shop, and it does fairly well. It seems to 0:55:17.040 --> 0:55:20.279 be a pretty successful business. He starts to make good 0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:22.799 money during this and he's you know, this business is 0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:26.080 supporting a decent number of people. He lets his little 0:55:26.080 --> 0:55:28.480 brother live in the back. He won't let him be 0:55:28.520 --> 0:55:30.719 a barber, but he'll let him sweep up after. I 0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:35.560 don't know why Leo seems pissed about it. So things 0:55:35.560 --> 0:55:38.839 are going pretty well, but this is a grind. You know, 0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:42.000 running a small business is not easy. I've never heard 0:55:42.040 --> 0:55:44.720 anything that makes it sound like barbershop is an easy 0:55:44.840 --> 0:55:48.120 kind of business to run. And he grows exhausted with 0:55:48.160 --> 0:55:50.640 the grind and starts getting obsessed with the idea of 0:55:50.719 --> 0:55:53.759 living closer to nature and dropping out of society who 0:55:53.760 --> 0:56:00.600 amongst us, right, common common thing to desire? Yes, yeah, 0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:04.560 not a weird story. Unfortunately, he starts to explore this 0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:07.120 by meeting a bunch of like hippies on the internet 0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:10.360 and watching YouTube videos from different creators in the Black 0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:15.439 Consciousness community, which we'll talk about in more detail, but 0:56:15.840 --> 0:56:19.719 it essentially mixes. This is a subculture. The Black consciousness 0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:24.080 or conscious community online is a subculture just sort of 0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:29.359 a collection of YouTubers. There's some podcasters, some rappers who 0:56:29.440 --> 0:56:32.360 have this mix of like very standard hippie back to 0:56:32.440 --> 0:56:36.759 the land style ideology with also an education on like 0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:39.680 the history of racism in the United States that is 0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:42.920 unfortunately mixed with stuff that gets scammier like quote unquote 0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:47.600 natural health and astrology. And from what I can tell, 0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:51.560 it's a broad subculture. So depending on who you get 0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:54.000 obsessed with as a creator in this, you might wind 0:56:54.040 --> 0:56:57.960 up learning about both like you know, organic farming and 0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:01.040 making human manure and stuff. All of it's your wonderful things. 0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:04.040 And alongside like the destruction of Black Wall Street and 0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:07.920 Tulsa and the move bombing right, very real conspiracy theories. 0:57:08.200 --> 0:57:11.040 But there's also a sizable chunk of this community well, 0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:14.960 you will learn some very not real conspiracy theories, right, Yeah, 0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:17.120 there's a very slope. 0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:19.280 And there's different communities. It's like, yeah, I want to 0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:19.880 take that, but. 0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:24.640 Not that you ye, And it's difficult when like so 0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:27.160 much of it is about like this is a this 0:57:27.240 --> 0:57:30.160 is a largely black community, talking about like the history 0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:34.280 of racism against and like institutionalized bigotry against black people 0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:37.400 in the United States. There's so many real conspiracies, and 0:57:37.440 --> 0:57:40.160 it's also once you hear about those easy for a 0:57:40.160 --> 0:57:41.880 lot of people to get pulled into the stuff that's 0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:46.120 not so real. He gets really interested in black Israelite stuff, 0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:50.600 which is basically black people are the lost thirteenth tribe 0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:53.640 of Israel or whatever. He gets into a lot of 0:57:53.680 --> 0:57:56.560 anti vaccine stuff, which is adjacent to a lot of 0:57:56.800 --> 0:58:00.720 you know, to at least elements of this subculture. Alisio's 0:58:00.800 --> 0:58:04.000 loved ones at the time mostly describe him obsessively watching 0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:08.320 videos about conspiracy theories and natural health, and particularly when 0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:11.160 Mayisha talks about this, she always says he's watching conspiracy 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:15.680 theory videos. He buys an RV never a good sign, 0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:18.920 never a good if your friend like drops out of 0:58:19.000 --> 0:58:22.600 social interactions, spends months watching YouTube videos and then buys 0:58:22.640 --> 0:58:25.040 an RV. You need to intervene. He's about to do 0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:25.840 something bad. 0:58:26.240 --> 0:58:27.720 These are red flags. 0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:31.560 These are red flags that said, in this particular case, 0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:33.520 this is more a sign of where things are going. 0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:36.000 The RV itself doesn't in too badly. He and Maisha 0:58:36.160 --> 0:58:38.480 live on the road for a month and try to 0:58:38.600 --> 0:58:41.080 just like let other people run the barber shop, but 0:58:41.200 --> 0:58:43.480 they're bad at it, and so he's forced to come 0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:46.480 back from Florida to stop it from going out of business. 0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:50.000 Once he's backed, to try to keep himself interested in 0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:53.320 the barbershop, he sets up a stage there, which initially 0:58:53.320 --> 0:58:55.960 he's like, so local acts can play right, people can 0:58:55.960 --> 0:58:58.680 do stand up or you know, musicians can do stuff. 0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:02.280 He gives out liquor and beer and stuff, which is 0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:04.560 not super uncommon for barbershops. So he's trying to like 0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:08.520 make it into a community space. But that becomes him 0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:11.640 primarily using that stage to give speeches that are like 0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:14.640 rants about his different pet theories. And at this point 0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:17.760 he's embraced a couple of specific theories. One of them, 0:59:17.800 --> 0:59:20.920 and this is an older pre existing theory, is the 0:59:21.000 --> 0:59:23.680 idea that higher amounts of melanin in the skin can 0:59:23.720 --> 0:59:27.000 correlate directly to higher IQ. Right, the more melanin you have, 0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:29.000 the smarter you are. And kind of what goes with 0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:31.880 that is exposing yourself to sun by spending as much 0:59:31.880 --> 0:59:34.880 time nearly naked outdoors as possible makes you smarter. 0:59:35.120 --> 0:59:35.880 Right, Okay. 0:59:36.120 --> 0:59:39.160 He also starts to believe that bathing is bad for you. 0:59:39.160 --> 0:59:41.720 You don't need to bathe if you eat only fruit 0:59:41.880 --> 0:59:44.000 or other foods that don't make you smell. This is 0:59:44.000 --> 0:59:47.000 a thing Steve Jobs believed. No one else agrees with this, 0:59:48.840 --> 0:59:50.160 and also as. 0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:52.760 A reminder, Steve Job washed his feet in the toilet. 0:59:53.200 --> 0:59:56.360 Yes, yes, now that is something Elisia would not do 0:59:56.440 --> 1:00:00.040 because Alisio believes toilets are evil. He comes to you 1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:03.960 insist and believe very strongly that pooping and peeing indoors 1:00:04.040 --> 1:00:06.440 is one of the greatest evils you can perpetuate because 1:00:06.480 --> 1:00:09.440 they make they are. By doing that, you are robbing 1:00:09.600 --> 1:00:14.400 nature right of your critical you know of nutrients and stuff. 1:00:15.120 --> 1:00:17.040 I want to play a clip of him talking that 1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:19.240 was republished by Hood Horrors. This is from all of 1:00:19.240 --> 1:00:21.680 his stuff has been taken off the internet. After the 1:00:21.720 --> 1:00:23.720 things that we'll talk about in Part two happened, So 1:00:23.760 --> 1:00:26.200 it's hard to find a lot of this. These different 1:00:26.320 --> 1:00:28.680 kind of documentaries online about him are some of the 1:00:28.680 --> 1:00:31.280 only sources remaining, which is why I'm going back to 1:00:31.320 --> 1:00:35.000 this documentary. I do want to again continue to you know, 1:00:35.440 --> 1:00:37.960 shout out the Rise and Fall of Nature boy Alisio 1:00:38.040 --> 1:00:40.640 bishop on hoodhars. It is a really good piece of work. 1:00:40.840 --> 1:00:43.880 But here is him talking years later explaining his theories 1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:46.360 about poop. So this gives you an idea. This is 1:00:46.400 --> 1:00:48.280 filmed later, but it gives you an idea of like 1:00:48.320 --> 1:00:50.280 the kind of shit he's saying in his rants. At 1:00:50.280 --> 1:00:51.280 this barber shop. 1:00:51.400 --> 1:00:55.760 They showed me, like where to use the backthrone, which 1:00:55.800 --> 1:00:56.360 we all use. 1:00:56.240 --> 1:00:57.440 The vacuum in the backyard. 1:00:58.400 --> 1:01:04.760 This is not shit poop. It's very sacred. When you 1:01:04.800 --> 1:01:07.200 eat right, you eat the right thing. You eat from 1:01:07.200 --> 1:01:12.800 the earth. It is no longer toxic waste. It is organic. 1:01:13.960 --> 1:01:16.760 It is soiled. You get the fruit, you eat the fruit, 1:01:17.080 --> 1:01:19.919 it eats the soil. This is how you give back. 1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:22.920 The government is taking this and putting into the toilet 1:01:23.320 --> 1:01:26.920 and stealing it and disconnecting youth from the. 1:01:27.000 --> 1:01:33.479 Universe and stealing it, stealing, stealing your poop by making 1:01:33.520 --> 1:01:37.200 you think you need a toilet to disconnect you from 1:01:37.200 --> 1:01:40.480 the universe, so you don't realize, you know, the evil 1:01:40.520 --> 1:01:41.760 schemes they're perpetuating. 1:01:41.800 --> 1:01:46.520 And see words and phrasing in there of like sacred, sacred, 1:01:47.320 --> 1:01:51.160 the government, and it's just leading into the conspiracy of it, 1:01:51.560 --> 1:01:52.880 the and the religious. 1:01:53.040 --> 1:01:54.920 And here's the thing, Like, I actually have a lot 1:01:54.960 --> 1:01:56.560 of friends and have spent a lot of time myself 1:01:56.640 --> 1:01:59.720 using stuff like composting toilets. Right, I lived on and 1:01:59.840 --> 1:02:02.400 I have spent a lot of time on you know, 1:02:02.400 --> 1:02:05.840 in properties where people are like very close to a 1:02:05.920 --> 1:02:08.920 closed loop. I have known and know people who do 1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:12.880 the very close to zero impact environmentally, like they produce 1:02:12.960 --> 1:02:16.320 all their own food, they turn all of their own waste. 1:02:16.360 --> 1:02:18.760 It is possible. It's a lot of work. It is 1:02:18.840 --> 1:02:21.640 much more complicated. And I want to and I say 1:02:21.680 --> 1:02:23.560 that because I want to make it very clear. He 1:02:23.720 --> 1:02:26.240 is not saying you should make your poop into human manure. 1:02:26.360 --> 1:02:28.880 He is not an advocate for utilizing any of this 1:02:28.920 --> 1:02:31.200 waste in any way. He just thinks you should only 1:02:31.240 --> 1:02:34.720 shit in the backyard. Yeah, that is very important for 1:02:34.800 --> 1:02:35.680 you to understand. 1:02:36.360 --> 1:02:40.280 It's a big difference. And I don't know that much 1:02:40.320 --> 1:02:42.360 about it. But there are some hygiene issues here. 1:02:42.400 --> 1:02:46.760 There's so we would all die if society best. 1:02:47.800 --> 1:02:50.400 I know that there are better places to be in 1:02:50.480 --> 1:02:54.680 nature than others. Yes, that it can't It can have 1:02:54.800 --> 1:02:56.040 negative consequences. 1:02:56.080 --> 1:02:59.920 If our whole society committed to like a functional extense 1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:02.360 of human hure program, sure that would be better than 1:03:02.400 --> 1:03:04.640 what we do. But if everyone just pooped in the yard, 1:03:04.680 --> 1:03:06.800 we would all get sick and die. Because it's bad 1:03:06.880 --> 1:03:08.160 to just poop in the yard. 1:03:08.640 --> 1:03:12.400 Yeah, in general, probably you're bad. 1:03:12.200 --> 1:03:16.200 For the bad for the yard. The yard's good to 1:03:16.400 --> 1:03:21.200 just shit everywhere for the environment either, yes, Also if it's. 1:03:21.080 --> 1:03:25.680 Not toxic when you eat all the I don't know. 1:03:26.080 --> 1:03:28.240 That none of this is accurate. After one of these 1:03:28.320 --> 1:03:30.720 rants where he's just talking about how the government's stealing 1:03:30.760 --> 1:03:33.800 your poop, a former regular at the barbershop asks him, Hey, man, 1:03:33.880 --> 1:03:35.760 you used to just give us drinks when we came 1:03:35.760 --> 1:03:39.480 to get a haircut. What happened to the drinks? 1:03:39.560 --> 1:03:40.840 So this is changing? 1:03:41.480 --> 1:03:44.360 He is not happy at the barber shop. The barbershop's 1:03:44.400 --> 1:03:46.360 not super happy with him, and in short order he 1:03:46.400 --> 1:03:48.720 works out a deal to basically give away sell his 1:03:48.800 --> 1:03:51.640 ownership of the barber shop and exchange for an ongoing 1:03:51.720 --> 1:03:55.520 interest in the business to somebody. He's already committed himself 1:03:55.520 --> 1:03:59.080 to begin copying the Conscious community figureheads he'd grown obsessed with, 1:03:59.440 --> 1:04:01.720 and he'd even bought up a new name for himself, 1:04:01.920 --> 1:04:04.160 and from this point forward he no longer goes by 1:04:04.200 --> 1:04:08.560 Alicio Bishop. He now uses a new name, nature Boy, 1:04:08.920 --> 1:04:11.520 and we will be talking about that and his growth 1:04:11.560 --> 1:04:15.560 into a significant figure within the Conscious community in Part two. 1:04:16.400 --> 1:04:18.560 How you feeling so far, Katie. 1:04:18.280 --> 1:04:20.880 I'm feeling great. I'm excited to hear what happens to 1:04:20.960 --> 1:04:21.479 Nature Boy. 1:04:21.680 --> 1:04:23.520 I'll tell you one thing. A lot of people pooping 1:04:23.600 --> 1:04:32.240 in backyards. There we go. Beatles song, Yeah, that's right. 1:04:32.800 --> 1:04:33.919 Wait is that a Beatles song? 1:04:34.000 --> 1:04:34.480 I don't know. 1:04:34.760 --> 1:04:36.280 There's a lot of Beatles song. I don't know. 1:04:39.320 --> 1:04:41.880 I just think it is Mother Nature's son, Mother Nature 1:04:41.880 --> 1:04:43.320 Son different, a little bit different. 1:04:43.520 --> 1:04:46.760 I just think of a former side character on Behind 1:04:46.760 --> 1:04:48.000 the Bass or Rick Flair. 1:04:48.760 --> 1:04:51.840 That's right, Oh yeah, Rick Flair the Nature Boy. Also, 1:04:52.040 --> 1:04:54.360 I think pissed on a chair or something at one 1:04:54.400 --> 1:04:57.560 point in that story, if I'm remembering right. So you know, 1:04:57.720 --> 1:05:02.360 similar guys, maybe part of that maybe someone his chair. 1:05:02.440 --> 1:05:04.120 Well, he was part of the he was one of 1:05:04.160 --> 1:05:07.680 the ones that was in the adoption scandal where he 1:05:07.840 --> 1:05:08.680 was just kidnapped. 1:05:09.000 --> 1:05:13.000 Oh yeah, he was stolen as a baby. Yes, yes, 1:05:13.040 --> 1:05:14.480 he was definitely stolen as a baby. 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:17.880 Player comes back is what I'm yeah. 1:05:17.040 --> 1:05:23.040 Yes, all right, everybody, Katie you want to plug your pluggables. 1:05:22.520 --> 1:05:29.000 Here real quick? Oh sure? Oh well, you can find 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:33.400 me over at some More News with Cody Johnston. We 1:05:33.520 --> 1:05:37.040 now have three episodes a week. Well, we've got two 1:05:37.080 --> 1:05:40.560 podcasts and then the main shell you do show and 1:05:40.600 --> 1:05:42.600 you can check us out there. 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