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Speaker 1: I listen to the Black Guy Who Chips podcast because

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Speaker 1: Rodin Karen Ahut. Hey, welcome to another episode of the

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Speaker 1: Blackout Tells Podcast. I'm your host, Rod, joined us always

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Speaker 1: by my co.

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Speaker 2: Host Karen, and we are live on.

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Speaker 1: A Sunday, ready to do some podcasting early in the morning.

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Speaker 1: The official weapon of the show is funk chair and

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Speaker 2: And bulletball extreme extreme extreme. Just show note.

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Speaker 1: Let y'all know looking the link at the bottom of

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Speaker 1: the show notes. Okay, live tickets are being sold.

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Speaker 1: We have a show coming up the last day of

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Speaker 1: Black History Month, Okay, which technically makes it the blackest

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Speaker 1: day of the year, February twenty eighth, on a Friday, Charlotte,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina. You can get virtual tickets now, so if

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Speaker 2: Online virtually in person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get in person tickets. And I'm telling

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Speaker 1: y'all the VP niggas are going super fast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he ain't playing. Y'all are not playing about that.

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Speaker 1: Y'all really want to meet us, take a picture and

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Speaker 1: get a poster, and I don't blame you.

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Speaker 2: It's worth it.

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Speaker 1: We're awesome, we smell nice, we give good hugs, so

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Speaker 1: I don't blame you, but just letting y'all know. These

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Speaker 1: motherfuckers are moving. So if you know, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what we might have to open up more.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but just letting y'all know because I

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Speaker 1: don't want to hear later on like man, I was

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Speaker 1: waiting to get and it's gonna be like well but buddy,

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Speaker 1: you heard me several times on the show.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's out of the way. Let's talk about

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Speaker 2: today's guest.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest is author, journalist, speaker, storyteller, podcast winner of

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Speaker 1: the Randy Starkman Award for Leadership and Sports Journalism, and

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Speaker 1: author of My Fighting Family, available wherever books are sold.

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Speaker 1: It is the Homie Morgan Pete Campbell. Where a pece

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Speaker 1: stands for a published what's.

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Speaker 2: Going on with player and paragraphs you wrote a life

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Speaker 2: out of them?

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Speaker 3: Yes, peace stands for published author, Peace stands for perpetually late.

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Speaker 3: Because I'm not just sad a dad. I'm a sit

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Speaker 3: pom dad. It's me, my wife, our daughter, our niece,

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Speaker 3: and our mother in law in this house.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just appreciate you making the time, brother, to

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Speaker 1: be honest, you know, like it's I know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of stress dealing with that much family and stuff.

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Speaker 1: And you got the book that came out. You know,

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Speaker 1: I see you out here on your press running out

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Speaker 1: and whatnot. Man, So you know, I'm just glad you

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Speaker 3: Listen, this is part of the press run because the

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Speaker 3: thing about selling a book, especially you know, for your audience.

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Speaker 3: I am a dual citizen, an American and Canadian. My

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Speaker 3: parents are American, I grew up, I was born and

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Speaker 1: Well sure now dual citizen for now. We'll see how

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Speaker 4: You know, you know they might be like noboddy.

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Speaker 3: Well that is a real thing, right, I'm a citizen

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Speaker 3: because of the Fourteenth Amendment. Both of my parents are

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Speaker 3: But in terms of the press run, like you know,

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Speaker 3: getting me in Canada is one thing. But you know,

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Speaker 3: The audience for my book is sort of specific.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I love the publishing company and they would hustle

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Speaker 3: But I don't know how many people in Saskatchewan really

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Speaker 3: want to read a book about black Americans in Canada, right,

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Speaker 3: But like your audience, a bunch of y'all might want

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Speaker 3: The press run never stops.

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Speaker 4: Man, yes and ask somebody you know this is my

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Speaker 3: When I'm posted online, man, we got to feed the algorithm.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I will, I will. I haven't posted online yet,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm bout it problem, but.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, listen, you gotta post it. It's just like

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Speaker 4: But for those of you that have not, I did

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Speaker 4: form for me was perfect because I learned so many

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Speaker 4: Of the difference between here in Canada, like how things

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it and just to get your audience caught up.

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Speaker 3: So my book is a memoir. It's about growing up

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Speaker 2: Heard bad audio books.

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Speaker 4: Baby, somebody yes and see And I don't know how

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Speaker 4: much you guys have are forced to appreciate this because

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Speaker 3: But one thing I can't stand is the affected American

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Speaker 3: The parts of the book where I do have to

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Speaker 1: It's yes, this isn't a comedy book, Okay, Morgan. How

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Speaker 1: and terrogate your family. You got like you got to

440
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 1: put like the deepest, darkest secrets out there or whatever,

441
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 1: or and was there any protective or from you where

442
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: you're like and everything ain't not everything's going in this.

443
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 2: Motherfucker like y'all.

444
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 1: I'm giving y'all what's pertinent, not necessarily, you know, the unfiltered,

445
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 1: unfettered look into everything in my family.

446
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 3: Well, there's also a difference between just writing a memoir

447
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 3: where you as the author and the narrator have to

448
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 3: be vulnerable, and then just put in your family's business

449
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 3: out there, you know, on frush street. As those are

450
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 3: two very different things. They overlap some, but the difference

451
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 3: is like, I'm not famous, and so if I just

452
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 3: write a bunch of family dirt, nobody's gonna publish that.

453
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 3: No one's gonna read it because my last name is

454
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 3: not Kardashian or whatever. You're just the person. You're just

455
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 3: a person with a messy family. Lots of those, right,

456
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,719
Speaker 3: So for me, it was, uh, you know, you do

457
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 3: have to go to a place like mentally emotionally, to

458
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 3: go talk about this, go talk about the last year

459
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 3: of your father's life, to talk about like how his

460
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 3: death affected you and the rest of your family, how

461
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 3: you rebound from that, how in some ways you never

462
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 3: do you know. Uh So that was the main and

463
00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 3: also in the writing, because uh, I did make sure

464
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 3: that like for whatever people, whatever flaws I wrote about,

465
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 3: like in other people's character or whatever, the the things

466
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 3: that they did, you know, that left scars. But I

467
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: did make sure that like nobody in this book like

468
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 3: fell on their face more consistently than I did, so right,

469
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 3: you know. But it's tough writing about family because I

470
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 3: was like, uh, you know, if you guys have read

471
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 3: the book or listened to the book, Like my grandfather,

472
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 3: my mom's dad, is a big character in the book.

473
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 3: You know, I admire him in a lot of ways,

474
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 3: but he was also a vengeful, petty, troublemaker, fight starter, right,

475
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 3: And I think one of my mom's brothers was like

476
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 3: he was sort of salty about it, you know. But

477
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 3: like if I had written Claude Jones as a character,

478
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 3: that made like the Claude Jones fans happen, right, anyone

479
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: that really knew him, including the Claude Jones fans would

480
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 3: be like, I don't recognize that person exactly right, And

481
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 3: so I can see how you know, you know, everyone,

482
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: all the characters in the book within the family, they

483
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 3: have their little fan clubs, you know. Yeah, what happens

484
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 3: is all the fans of one particular character, like all

485
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 3: the Claude Jones fans like, this doesn't sound like Claude.

486
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: Well they know it does. But also like the stuff

487
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: I wrote about my dad his flaws and stuff I

488
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 3: wrote about his mom her flaws. They read all that

489
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 3: and they're like, yeah, that tracks. Oh, but this thing

490
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: about claud that's not true.

491
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: Right. We're family, but like that's it's like that's family.

492
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: That's like when you get together for Thanksgiving and everybody

493
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: tells the old stories and whenever you get the one

494
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,959
Speaker 1: that's like kind of fucked up, you know, like, man,

495
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: I remember that time we got a whooping and we

496
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: wasn't even wrong. Mom she had she said come in

497
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: at ate, but then she said later that she said

498
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: street lights, and and like your mom was like, I

499
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: don't remember that, and you're like, yes, okay, you don't

500
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: remember the formative memory of my childhood. Okay, all right,

501
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: I guess what I guess we just collectively made that

502
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: ship up today.

503
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 3: Oh listen, listen, like my grandpa was alive, Like if

504
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 3: you read the book, like point by point in that book,

505
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 3: the things that he did that people remember that he did,

506
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 3: the people you people that people remember when he came

507
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 3: and just cut him off at the kneecaps. If you

508
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 3: ask HI about it, I don't remember. I don't remember.

509
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: Another to Claude Joneses, I don't know my twin brother.

510
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: But it is interesting though, because like I I you know,

511
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: my friend Bossi ab wrote a memoir a few years ago,

512
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: great memoir telling but on lying. But you know, having

513
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: an insight to her as a friend, you know where

514
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: she's telling me about this process and it's like yeah,

515
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: sometimes like the note is like, well, can you give

516
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: us a little bit more about your mom's mental health struggles?

517
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: Like you gotta decide, like you gotta make a decision,

518
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 1: like is that something I'm selling?

519
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: Is this something I'm running?

520
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: Because these people still exist in my life, so I

521
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: have consequences of telling this story. The season of I

522
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: think season two of Queen Sugar went into this with

523
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: one of the main characters where she's writing a memoir

524
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: and it's about her family, and she came back home

525
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: and the family was like, bitch, fuck you, like everything,

526
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: like to a person, everybody was like, why you put

527
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: that shit in there? You didn't run it, boss, you

528
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: didn't talk to me, And she's like, but it's the truth.

529
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: This is my truth.

530
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: And then people and then of course people are bringing

531
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: up like circumstances she couldn't have known about.

532
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: So they're like, well, yeah, to you, that's what happened.

533
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: But did you know is because we was protecting you

534
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 1: from this And it's like, well, no, I didn't know that.

535
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 2: So like, is there like is.

536
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: There any impetus to run stuff by people to like

537
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: sit down and talk with them about it, or is

538
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: it like, this is my truth as I see it,

539
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: and that's what's going in the book.

540
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: I had to do a lot of fact checking with

541
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 3: my mom and my aunt especially, but I also did

542
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 3: have to warrn my whole family one that I had

543
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 3: no interest in relitigating any of these family fights, right

544
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: because again, you guys that have read the book or

545
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 3: listened to that's one thing they love to do. So

546
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: if they're like Yo rematch from two thousand and four. Low,

547
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 3: just get it on, like, no, I'm not doing anything.

548
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 3: So any fight that you feel is unresolved and you

549
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: think you're gonna go twelve more rounds and maybe win this,

550
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: and no, I'm not doing it, man, right we do?

551
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, you're just gonna be like, you know,

552
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: like old nanny packyaways right now, just begging someone. But two,

553
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 3: I didn't have to warn them like, uh, this is

554
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: not the book any of you guys would have written, right,

555
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 3: And so especially for my mom's generation, like her and

556
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: her siblings, if they had written the book, there would

557
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 3: be a lot more of their mom in the book,

558
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: you know. And I warned them there's not a ton

559
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: of y'all's mom in the book because I just can't

560
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 3: pay equal attention to all these characters. And I gotta

561
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 3: put the most weight on, you know, the characters that

562
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: were making the most noise, you know, and exerting the

563
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 3: most force on our family. And so that's why, you know,

564
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 3: mom's dad got the most attention, My dad's mom got

565
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: the most attention, and my two parents and so for

566
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: the most part, they got it. You know, my mom

567
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: has struggled with it a little bit. I had to

568
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: have a talk with my mom because she read just

569
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 3: part of the introduction and was on me about stuff

570
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 3: that I had not written. I'm like, Mom, you were

571
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: four pages into this book. You can't get on me

572
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: about stuff that I haven't written because there's a whole

573
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 3: rest of the book I'm gonna get to that. I

574
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: can't put the whole book in the first world.

575
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: Then they won't read it.

576
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: And a woman page this record, Like if I tell

577
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: them everything right now, they're just not going to finish

578
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: the book.

579
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: Mom.

580
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. So eventually my mom got it. But and it's

581
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: different too for family's family members reading the book because

582
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: they remember these things, they lived through them. Uh you know,

583
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: I just try to tell them like pretend you're reading

584
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: about someone else's family, which is easy advice to give,

585
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 3: is difficult advice to follow. So but for the most part,

586
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: they've gotten it. But like my aunt, my mom's sister,

587
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 3: she hasn't finished the book. She's just like because she's

588
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 3: right at the sleazy slow jam chapter and understandably is

589
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 3: making her uncomfortable.

590
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she.

591
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: Stopped, but I'm like to skip the chapter, like when

592
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: you're not in class. No one's going to quiz you

593
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: on that, right.

594
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, the first time I heard Come Inside was on

595
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 5: her family trip to Atlanta with my mom and my

596
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 5: aunt and my brother, and I had never.

597
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: It was my CD. I had never heard.

598
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: The whole thing, and like, I had just got a

599
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: couple of new CDs. I had Brian Me Knight, I

600
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: had Intro, and I had Summertime. I might have had

601
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: DJ Jazz Jeff he's the rapper or whatever, right, he's

602
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: a jail rapper. Anyway, for some reason we threw the

603
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: intro in and I had never heard it. And the

604
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: radio version, the radio version of Come Inside ends about

605
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: two minutes earlier than the album version. Yes, and this

606
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: is back in the day when they used to put

607
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: interlews on albums that were like full like sk like like.

608
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: There was acting happening.

609
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: Yes, it was like a sexual act out and yeah,

610
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: it was very embarrassing.

611
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: And and you know what, so go ahead. I'm sorry

612
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 4: as somebody as I've gotten to have done like voice

613
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 4: acting and things like that. Now I'm going, oh, y'all

614
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 4: was doing a lot like because I'm like, because I've

615
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 4: been behind the scenes and understand like what it takes

616
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 4: to make an audio working on that stuff.

617
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: If you really want to dismantle the whole allure of

618
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: the nineties era hip hop and how hardcore and real

619
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: and thug and street and all this shit that it was,

620
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: go back and listen to those interluds and think about

621
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: the fact that none of that happened and these are

622
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: you'll realize essentially these are theater kids, okay, you know,

623
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: like these mob Deep went to like theater school. Like

624
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: there's there's a reason their skits on their albums are

625
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: full acting like ghost Face Killer and Woodrow. The crack

626
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: bass Head is a fucking like living color sketch at

627
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: this point, like they and they were thinking about that

628
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: as much as they thought about them lyrics and where

629
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: the song playment goes and the beat. They were like,

630
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: but don't forget we need a fucking finger bang session

631
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: that we fake recorded.

632
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: At the end of Coming Side.

633
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: Yes, I could imagine more heart and more ladder right.

634
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 3: Well, so, so the part where on the outro to

635
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: come Inside, where Kenny Green says to the girl, watch

636
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: those teeth. You have to explain to your mom with that.

637
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: Man, I didn't have to explain because I was of

638
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: the age to not know what the fuck they was

639
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: talking about either.

640
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: I was like, what is what is happening?

641
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 4: What is this?

642
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: I didn't even like in hindsight as clear as day.

643
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: Now you know, now that I've had sex more than

644
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: a few times, I'm like, oh, come inside, okay, I

645
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: see what you did.

646
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: Now.

647
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: At that time, I thought they made come inside the house.

648
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: I did.

649
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: I didn't know they don't want to. That was like, yes, ahead.

650
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: Of time, man speak have you is this first of all?

651
00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: I know it.

652
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure authors get tired of this question, so just

653
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: preface it with that.

654
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: But authors don't get tired of any question because if

655
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: you're asking us a question means you're talking about our book.

656
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: And one thing we love doing is talking about our

657
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: book because if you ain't talking about the book, nobody's

658
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: buying the book.

659
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: So okay, all right.

660
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: So I feel like the what's next thing is asked

661
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: a lot like and it's like, you just put the

662
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: herculean task of putting a book baby into the world.

663
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: And it's like, so, what's the next thing? What you

664
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: got another book? In?

665
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: You?

666
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: Like? What was?

667
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: But is there a next for either another book, another project,

668
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: or a next as in looking at this same book

669
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 1: and being like another media, another platform like TV, movie

670
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: stuff like that.

671
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: First thing. First, I would like to write another book.

672
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: I don't think it would be another memoir only because

673
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: like I am not enough of a narcissist to think

674
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: people will want to read even more about me, right,

675
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 3: like anything else that happened in my life, it's anything

676
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: that's like interesting to other people, it's in this book, right,

677
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 3: write about it. What am I going to write a

678
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: memoir about now?

679
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: Like, well, you just got to go out and you

680
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: got to go out and make new ship happen, like

681
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: you just like what.

682
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 3: Kendrick saying, I'm sorry, I live a boring life, right, yeah,

683
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 3: unless you all want to read about me mowing my

684
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 3: lawn tending the garden, right, you know that's that's the

685
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 3: big drama. Oh I got a fungus in the garden.

686
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 1: I cut the grass too low, y'all call me anti social.

687
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: I'll just be in the house.

688
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: You know.

689
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 3: That's been wrong these days.

690
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you could pick up like you

691
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 1: could start making some mistakes right now.

692
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: I mean it's not it's not too late, not too late.

693
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: It's not too late to pick up a new habit

694
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: like heroin or something, you know, like maybe alcoholism.

695
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, there's plenty advices out there.

696
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: Just do some ship that most people would look at

697
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: and go that's unexplainable and you'd be like, aha, but

698
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: I and I explained.

699
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: For the story.

700
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: What was the second half of your question?

701
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: And would you would you consider if if if if

702
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: someone was like, yo, I like this story enough to like,

703
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: we want to make a TV series based off I

704
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: would love the opportunity.

705
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: I would love the opportunity to do that. If only

706
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: because it boosts book sales.

707
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, you still author and a capitalist to

708
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: the core, You're like, nah, if it can make the money, yes,

709
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: but just as an artist, I wouldn't want this existing

710
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: in the world.

711
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: Or how's that work?

712
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 3: Well, you know, if somebody comes and buys the TV rights, right,

713
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 3: and that's what they do, get paid one time, right.

714
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 2: The thing is, but they might have you, but they

715
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: might have you.

716
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: Like put it this way, if you had your druthers,

717
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: you get you could just get the one check and they,

718
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: like Morgan, thank you were about to go to TV

719
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: land and make up whatever the fuck you want to

720
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: make up. Or if they were like Yo, we're gonna

721
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: make you a consultant on this. We want you on

722
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: the set, we want you looking at the acting the

723
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: choices we have as characters. Is that because I can

724
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: also understand that not being something you're into, if you

725
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, just because it's your story

726
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you like, I want to be the TV

727
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: guy now, But what is it something you would want

728
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: to do if they decided.

729
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, so somebody uh came and wanted to make

730
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: this into a mini series or something like that, I

731
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: would want to be a consultant and they would have

732
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 3: to overpay me to get me out of the way,

733
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 3: you know, because I will take less money for the

734
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: creative control.

735
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: Right.

736
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: But if they say, here's seven million dollars, and they're like,

737
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: do what you want, say whatever what you say, whatever

738
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: you want about me, portray music, seven million dollars, do

739
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: what you.

740
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 4: Want many I went to have a good time, right,

741
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 4: I don't care how it turns out.

742
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: I'm just imagining.

743
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm just imagining making that decision and then seeing the

744
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: show at some point and it's just.

745
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: A complete like and I don't care. Yeah, like none

746
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: of this. People are looking at you like, so your

747
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: daddy used to.

748
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: Put out cigarettes on you and make you fight in

749
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: the ice cold in your draw, right, I mean that's

750
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: what they said.

751
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: I don't know.

752
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,959
Speaker 4: Right's gonna go sit in the play and they gonna

753
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 4: be like, why is your character wipe?

754
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: But like, if that's what they want to do, I'm

755
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: gonna be honest with you, I didn't watch it, So

756
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: I didn't watch it.

757
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 3: Either way. It boosts book sales right right, right and honestly,

758
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 3: And the more people can talk about the difference between

759
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 3: the show and the book, the better you know. Uh.

760
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 3: And and this goes for like selling booking movie rights.

761
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: This goes for like as a journalist or concrect content

762
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: creator whatever people know me as a person with sort

763
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 3: of an identity as a journalist and a writer and

764
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: like a h a backbone, a sense of integrity, and

765
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: all of that is true.

766
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 2: Up to seven million dollars.

767
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm not saying I would never sell out

768
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: just for the sums of money that are flying around, right,

769
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: But just the sums of money that are for offer

770
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: for me these days, it's not worth selling us, So

771
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: I might as well just to be myself. Somebody come

772
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 3: to me and says, here is Stephen A. Smith money, right,

773
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: but you got to act a fool. I do it

774
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: act fool for stephen A. Smith money. Listen, he's got

775
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 3: to may be acting fool.

776
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: Money this man been making. He makes more money than

777
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: some of the athletes he talking about.

778
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 3: And this is not to say, and this is not

779
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 3: to say Stephen A. Smith is a fool. I'm not

780
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 3: saying no, but he you know, but I will be

781
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 3: what you need me to be.

782
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: Well, not just that. I think even Stephen A. Smith

783
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: would admit sometimes he has to act the food.

784
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: Like.

785
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he is a fool. Matter of fact,

786
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: far from it. I'd say pretty.

787
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: Smarter than I am. Intelligence correlates to the size of

788
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 3: your bank.

789
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll figure it out, like he'll figure that ship out.

790
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: But that is that is interesting. You said a word

791
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: that I thought was interesting too there when you said

792
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: content creator. I was actually talking to Bomani about this,

793
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: uh after he watched the Jamie Fox stand up special,

794
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 1: which he did not enjoy.

795
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard his uh his episode about that with

796
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: him Dragonfly.

797
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 2: Jones, and I did not watch it.

798
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: But I did not watch it because even before Bomani

799
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: I was sure I would not enjoy it, and I

800
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: did not need the cultural like fomo like, I don't

801
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: have it.

802
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: So it's just like it's like, oh, okay, y'all watch that.

803
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 1: Y'all like and I'm and to be honest, the reason

804
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: I watch this because as soon as it dropped, the

805
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: first people I saw reviewing it, none of them had

806
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: the word funny in it.

807
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: Uh.

808
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: Every every review was like, man, it was half testimony

809
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: at church.

810
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 2: This is not a comedy space. One person said, I

811
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: cried from beginning to end. I was like, I saw

812
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: a lot of that tune.

813
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: Did you cry eleven or you cried? And it's like, no,

814
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: I cried. Man, he's just so thankful to be alive.

815
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, doesn't sound like a good time

816
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: for me. Not nothing wrong with people that enjoy that,

817
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: But the last thing I want to do is tap

818
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: into an hour and ten minutes and come back and

819
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: be like, guys, this ship is not funny. And then

820
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: everybody's like, well it wasn't about that. Well they sold

821
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: it a stand up special.

822
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: Right, They didn't say one man's show. They start selling

823
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: his testimony.

824
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 3: Okay, there is a difference. Yeah, had his one man

825
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: show yes, and then but you don't expect that to

826
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 3: be funny.

827
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: So that brings me, That brings me back to to this.

828
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm I told bo the content creator one right. They

829
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: essentially won the battle between the like artists and the

830
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: maker of content. And like, either at this point you

831
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: can either be in denial of that fact or you

832
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: can get to making this content. You know, Like that's

833
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: like like because to me, and it's not just Jamie Foxx,

834
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: it's several, Like there's all kinds of Chris.

835
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: I say, Chris Rocks. Last thing a special felt like this.

836
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: To me, where it's hold on live podcasting. Here comes

837
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 3: my wife with a laptop charger.

838
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: You love to see. Hey, how you doing.

839
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 3: I don't think you want to no problem.

840
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: How you doing? How you doing? You love to see

841
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: it black black lives Black. Let me unplug head so

842
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: they can hear black love, black family. We love to

843
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: see it.

844
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: Beautiful was washing her face. Hold on, hold on, so

845
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: let's continue with the question till my daughter comes in. Okay,

846
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: I told you, I told the audience I'm a sitcom dad.

847
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: Y'all about to see.

848
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: We liked all the listen, we liked all the Instagram photos.

849
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: This is actually why.

850
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: We booked you.

851
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: Come on, was hoping the family would just show up

852
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: randomly anyway.

853
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: Yes, he hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on

854
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: all snap a baby, a baby. Oh we like the baby.

855
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: She said, let me come in here and get my

856
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: podcast and career started. Oh, we can't hear you on

857
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: your mic now for some reason. I don't know if

858
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: it was coming through your headphones or what, but oh

859
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: now we don't hear it at all. It's this really

860
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: is sitcom stuff.

861
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: We can't here. Nope, we can't hear you. Maybe you

862
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: gotta refresh. Your baby may have knocked something over. I

863
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: don't know.

864
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 4: That's what happened when you get the sitcom fam somebody

865
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 4: kicked the coin.

866
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: It's a rare condition and just that age. Yeah, just

867
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: full sitcom. Try try refreshing.

868
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: There's also a settings icon down at the bottom right

869
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: of the chat that looks like a gear, and that

870
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: may tell you, like what microphone.

871
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 2: You can use. Your microphone may have changed. So I

872
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: don't know what happened.

873
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: I got a little too loose with the with the

874
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: caboose and and try to get get tried to get okay,

875
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: here you yep.

876
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: Oh man, man, what's going on? Guys? This is a

877
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 2: this is a this.

878
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 3: Is this is telling me.

879
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: Okay, now we can't hear him again. What just happened?

880
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 2: It went back, Morgan, whatever happened? You just we lost

881
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: it again? Yes, now, yes it's weird.

882
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna keep this window open because I can see,

883
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: okay on this window if the microphone is working, Oh okay,

884
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: all right, and if you listen closer, you can also

885
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 3: hear my St Lucian mother in law back there.

886
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 4: We got animal prints and hambones and flax.

887
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 2: When you said eleven thirty, I knew.

888
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: I said, there's no way this man getting an uninterrupted

889
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: hour and a half.

890
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: So no way. It is what it is.

891
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: You know, you can either be a good dad or

892
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: you could be like the kind of gad that don't

893
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: get interrupted.

894
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 2: Ll cool dad. Yeah you gotta pick a lane.

895
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, what I was saying is like content, uh

896
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: to me, like Jamie Fox at that point, you're putting

897
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: out like it's more content than stand up special like

898
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: used to get paid to be a special list. They're like,

899
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: people don't have these skills. They can't do this thing right.

900
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: And now I feel like with with content winning the day,

901
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: these companies even and they're buying a stand up special

902
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: to them in some room, it's just content. You need

903
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: to own this percentage share of the content in the market.

904
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: That's why they don't care about the difference between like

905
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: a reality show versus a scripted drama versus even something

906
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: being necessarily good. The metric they're using is would you

907
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: watch it, would you read it?

908
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 2: What you see?

909
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: So like, uh, you know, it's why celebrities get book

910
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: deals where they don't even write the book, you know,

911
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: where it's like you'll you'll if we put Kardashian they

912
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: on the front, you'll read it. Even if you was

913
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: like I hate these, I hate them, I'm gonna read.

914
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: So I felt I feel like there's this battle that

915
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 1: has been lost in this in this area. And while

916
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: artists can make content, all content is not.

917
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: Art, you know what I'm saying.

918
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: And so it made me think about that because I

919
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: feel like you're a bit of a specialist, like you know,

920
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: you you write, you know, there's a reason that you

921
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 1: can you can make a book and also write about

922
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: Drake and also you know, also write about boxing.

923
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 2: Like there's a there's a reason that that that you

924
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: have that and I'll be learning ship. I'm not an't

925
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: gonna lie.

926
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 4: I'm like, who oh, I can't see boxing.

927
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: But in this new market where the specialist is in

928
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: competition with the content creator, right, I feel like you

929
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: kind of have to become a book a jack of

930
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: all trades. So like, since leaving you know, the paper,

931
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: writing the book, started doing the blog, is are you

932
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: feeling that in the market this idea of like specialist

933
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: has kind of taken a back seat to you just

934
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: need to be making some content at all times.

935
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 3: Good question. Like, in a perfect world, I would just

936
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 3: be well enough known that I would not have to

937
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: be a content creator or not have to feel present

938
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 3: on social media all the time. Right every writer, not

939
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: every writer, but a lot of us of doing the

940
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 3: tanahase coats and just saying you know what, I'm done

941
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 3: with social media goodbye, and that's that. But he is

942
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 3: he is well enough known, he's good enough at his job,

943
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 3: and has a platform that allows him to walk away

944
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 3: from social media because yeah, he puts the book out

945
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 3: and he's on every morning show, you know, and the

946
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: buzz sustains itself. Whereas the rest of us or maybe

947
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: him if this was like twenty years or if he

948
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 3: was just starting out. Now, you know, you got to

949
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 3: be on social media. You gotta be talking about your book.

950
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 3: It's again, we all love talking about our books. Could

951
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: I live with less social media? Probably, But there is

952
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 3: sort of a pressure and a lot of it is

953
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: trial and error figuring out, like what type of content

954
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 3: supports compliments genuinely helps promote, you know, the book or

955
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: the website as opposed to is just out there. Because

956
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 3: one of the things I find is that, you know,

957
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: the top of the funnel is really wide and the

958
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 3: bottom of the funnel is very thin. And but a

959
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,959
Speaker 3: lot of that also has to do with the algorithms,

960
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: you know, So like on TikTok, you know, most of

961
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: my videos do a few hundred views, somewhere between four

962
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 3: hundred and nine hundred, you know. But I had done

963
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 3: a whole series of videos about is the morning of

964
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: the Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight, and I was trying

965
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 3: to warn people people don't listen. I was trying to

966
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: warn people to keep their expectations down. This dude is

967
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 3: fifty eight years old, you and you know this.

968
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: And this came up when I talked about what Jake

969
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 1: Paul versus Mike Tyson is content.

970
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 2: Yes, the spectacle, yes, yes.

971
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 3: And back to your point, okay, because yeah, and so

972
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 3: the people really making the decisions and writing the checks,

973
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: they don't care if it's scripted or reality, except in

974
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: the sense that reality is much cheaper because you don't

975
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: got to pay union actors and ain't got to pay writers,

976
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 3: which is why you've just seen a flood of this stuff.

977
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 3: Like let's text a little bit with bo when when

978
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 3: when they got rid of Game Theory? And he's like, yeah,

979
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 3: people liked the show, but the be encounters, they just

980
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 3: didn't want to pay for it no more. And because like,

981
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 3: especially if you're the parent company, like why would I

982
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 3: pay really good hosts an a team of writers when

983
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 3: I can put out eighteen more scenes seasons of ninety

984
00:49:59,320 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 3: Day Fiance.

985
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: And what's what's interesting about that with Game Theory is

986
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: we were a cheap show, like WB.

987
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: Was like not cheap, not cheap enough.

988
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: Evidently, well w B was like we're getting out of

989
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: the the TV show business. Like it was like like that,

990
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: Like I like and I obviously shout out to the

991
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: fans and the people that love to show we love

992
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: to show, like, but this was one of those times

993
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: when you get to have your head held high because

994
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it wasn't about the ratings. It wasn't

995
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: like some ship we could have did. They just looked

996
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: at TV in general. It was like from succession to

997
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: the fucking the winning time to like every all this

998
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: shit got an end. Were just in the Game of

999
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: Thrones business, and we cutting episodes out of that shit too.

1000
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 2: Like it was. So it's like when you leave.

1001
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: It's like we're all carrying our boxes together from our

1002
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: desk like this, you know, like you never want to

1003
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: get fired one at a time. You want to get

1004
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: fired in masks where it's like, well shit, what could

1005
00:50:58,640 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: I have done?

1006
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: It's all forty of us leaving this building.

1007
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: But but it tells you something about the people at

1008
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: the top that they're just like they see it all

1009
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: as content. Like sports is very much like this in

1010
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: my opinion, with Sports Network, where the NBA, for example,

1011
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: all the NBA analysts, all the NBA media people are

1012
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: always constantly talking about the ratings or every year they

1013
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: want to tweak the game, Like there's never a year

1014
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: where the game is just oh, it's just good this year.

1015
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: Every years, like there are too many foul calls. Then

1016
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: they switch it. They say, we're gonna stop calling fouls.

1017
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: Oh they're not calling Why did they switch the fouls.

1018
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: They didn't.

1019
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,479
Speaker 1: They didn't come out and tell us they's gonna stop

1020
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: calling fouls because you want to fucking beg for it

1021
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: all year, like they did the thing you want it.

1022
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: Let's you should be enjoying basketball now, But what about

1023
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: the ratings?

1024
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: How come? I mean, look, Christmas used to be the

1025
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: NBA's day.

1026
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: Now it's the NFL's day, right, because at the end

1027
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: of the day, it's still a TV show, right, and

1028
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: it's still like and it's still a TV How we

1029
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: engage with it is also how they sell it, right.

1030
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: So the idea of this is just content has it's

1031
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: trickled all the way to the top where it's like,

1032
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: all right, we're just putting something on that we're hoping

1033
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: you guys will watch. Netflix has no fucking business being

1034
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL games. There's zero correlation between streaming Netflix

1035
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: and needing to.

1036
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: Watch NFL games.

1037
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: And but that, but someone with a lot of money

1038
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: in charge of Netflix is like, but it's content.

1039
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 2: Those are two of the biggest TV shows is what we.

1040
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: Just got, Yes, and we're gonna add beyond S and

1041
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: Ryan Carrick to it to make them even bigger events.

1042
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: And that that tells you something about specialization and how

1043
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: like the idea.

1044
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 2: Of growing the league, growing a game.

1045
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: I saw a post on the NBA's like social media

1046
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: that was about the NBA Cup and it was like

1047
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: derogatory to the teams that made it like they might

1048
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: not be the big market teams, and I was like, well, damn, y'all.

1049
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: In the content game too, y'all would be like, oh,

1050
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: finally a changing of the guard.

1051
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 2: Look at these young, up and coming teams that they're not.

1052
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: You don't have to be a major TV market to

1053
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 1: be worth watching on TV. And instead it's like, sorry, y'all,

1054
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: all we got is Oklahoma City and the Rockets.

1055
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: It's sad man content one and.

1056
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 4: The thing, I guess the thing that kind of frustrates

1057
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 4: me about the content, be it good, bad, and difference,

1058
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 4: sometimes it ends up watering down the products and sometimes

1059
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 4: depend on the fan, it makes it almost impossible to

1060
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 4: know where shit is because now sometimes I don't know

1061
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 4: what nothing's airing, is it is it on TV one,

1062
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 4: Is it on Pluto? Is it on the Disney Channel?

1063
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 4: I don't know what the fuck the shit is.

1064
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: And so you don't have to. It's not you know

1065
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 2: for a fact, it's not.

1066
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 4: It's you know, because they have it in so many

1067
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 4: different places. And I'm sorry, mugget Roger talking about what

1068
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 4: a down product. This is my thing. People consistently talk

1069
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 4: about the NBA. As a fan of the NBA, I'm

1070
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 4: gonna tell you right now, when we tell you what's

1071
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 4: a fucking watered down product, then I watch it too.

1072
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: It's the NFL. The NFL is a fucking watered down product.

1073
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: It's on fucking seven days a week. They get your

1074
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: bullshit and you still watch. Yeah, it's funny.

1075
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 3: And that's what they figured and that's what they have

1076
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 3: figured out. And if the people who wind up paying

1077
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 3: the price for that ultimately are the players because they

1078
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: have these longer seasons and these shortened working injuries, you

1079
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 3: know who cares about that. Not the NFL contracts, Not

1080
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 3: at the team level, because those contracts are not guaranteed,

1081
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 3: not at the league levels, because as long as they

1082
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 3: have bodies throw.

1083
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 2: The NFL, the NFL is the ultimate content.

1084
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: It's the ultimate question, because the the expectation of the

1085
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: football being good is not correlated with the ratings.

1086
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: It's the ultimate content, not at all.

1087
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: It's why you know, not to be a dick to

1088
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: these people, but it's why I can't listen to the

1089
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: journalists that are not journals, the analysts who constantly bemoan

1090
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: the ratings. It's like you're comparing the NBA ratings to

1091
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: like crack, right, like stepped on crack, Like like, yes,

1092
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: if people will watch a preseason NFL game and make

1093
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: it one of the top fifty TV events of the year,

1094
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: that's just crack. That's just that's like me coming to

1095
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: your house and being like, I mean, yeah, this dinner

1096
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: is good and I enjoyed it and I appreciate the

1097
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: time you put on it, but it's not giving me

1098
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: the same feeling as being hon ond crack cocaine. What

1099
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: can you do to fix these grits. It's like you

1100
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: can't fix the grits will never be cracked. NBA will

1101
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: never be cracked. If they if the NBA want to,

1102
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: if the NFL want to take over Christmas, it's gonna

1103
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: take over Christs. It's honestly, if it wants to take

1104
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: over the president to debate, if it wants to take

1105
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 1: over Election Night in America, if it wants to take

1106
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: over the inauguration.

1107
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: If they put a game on.

1108
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 1: During the inauguration in America, the game will be watched

1109
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: more than inauguration at that point.

1110
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: And it don't and I don't mean the good game.

1111
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: I mean you can send motherfuckers to Europe and be

1112
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: the worst two teams in the league. It's gonna be

1113
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: one of the top rated events that happened on TV

1114
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: that week. That's just crack cocaine, and that is just content.

1115
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. And what amazes me about the NFL is that

1116
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 3: they have taken over like every holiday post Labor Day

1117
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 3: all the way almost to President's Day. And if they

1118
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 3: find a way to expand, maybe in the next CBA

1119
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 3: get an eighteenth regular season game. So now everything takes

1120
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 3: one week long because we're already almost a Valentine's Day

1121
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: for the Super Bowl, right, push you closer to President's Day,

1122
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 3: which is another NBA holiday, Yeah, right.

1123
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: Mlkday they probably yes, yeah, because if they could find

1124
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: a way to move the games to MLK Day and

1125
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: be like fuck the NBA, they do it.

1126
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, they Well, what I'm waiting for is for them

1127
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 3: to move their regular season opener forward by a week

1128
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 3: and bump college football off of Labor Day.

1129
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: See that's the way I'm thinking about to Morgan, I've

1130
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: been saying that for years. It's like the the NFL

1131
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: lets college football exist, and I know college football hardcore

1132
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: fans will be like, no, that's not what's happening. I

1133
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: promise you. NFL content is that addictive. If they wanted

1134
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: to shut down college like college, it benefits them to

1135
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: have that college essentially, like like there's they should not

1136
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: want to like it's they would be greedy as fuck,

1137
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: but also short sighted as fuck for them to do

1138
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: stuff like hey, we should be putting on NFL games

1139
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: during the bowl games like that. That's that's also dumb

1140
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: because because what you have right now is essentially a

1141
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: free to you feeder system that kills people three years

1142
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: of of of of of publicity so that when someone

1143
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: can exactly so when someone comes into your league, they

1144
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: come in with cash sha that they would not have

1145
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: if like you know, like how to is in the NBA,

1146
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: where the NBA only has one and done.

1147
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny, it's funny that you use the

1148
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 3: NBA as the example, because the NBA used to have

1149
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of people coming in also with an audience.

1150
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 3: Right now, the NBA is a lot more like Baseball,

1151
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 3: like you don't know who unless you are a hardcore

1152
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 3: fan of a specific team order new people are. Yeah,

1153
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 3: you don't know who the good guys are until they

1154
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 3: become good. Yes, one Soda did not show up with fans.

1155
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 3: One Soda was to the hardcore baseball fans and an

1156
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 3: outstanding prospect, but the rest of us, we didn't know

1157
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 3: who he was until he had a few years in

1158
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 3: watching and putting up numbers. And so the NBA, the

1159
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 3: NFL is the last league now that just benefits from

1160
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 3: people coming in with an audience and bringing their audience

1161
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 3: with them to the NFL. Yeah, And I think the

1162
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 3: one thing that keeps them from really just crushing college

1163
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 3: football is the fact that they enjoy it, because otherwise

1164
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 3: they would have all these NFL teams now would have

1165
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 3: to invest in the risk of taking ten thou eighteen

1166
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 3: year olds and figuring out which fifteen hundred of those

1167
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 3: ten thousand are gonna make it to the NFL and

1168
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 3: become serviceable players and that's extremely expensive and they don't

1169
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 3: want to take that risk. All the team take that.

1170
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: Risk with the NBA is offer also suffering from something else,

1171
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: which is they put their money where their mouth is

1172
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: and grew the game globally in a way the NFL can't.

1173
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: Like the NFL is trying, but it just it's there's

1174
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: never going to be like an NCUBA equivalent.

1175
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 2: In Europe or in South America.

1176
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: But the NBA is actually suffering from the fact that

1177
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: when you look around a guy like sha Jils Alexander,

1178
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: who is one of the best basketball players in the world,

1179
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: he came out of a Canada system where people are

1180
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: like having to learn he's good in real time, as

1181
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: opposed to like when back in the day. Every once

1182
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: in a while you have a guy like a Tim

1183
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: Duncan or Dave Robinson somebody where everybody's like, oh, we

1184
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 1: know this guy and we can't wait to see him

1185
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: in this last NBA draft people, which everyone's like, oh,

1186
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: this draft is one of the week is ever? Part

1187
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: of the reason people think is the week is ever

1188
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: is because y'all don't know the seven motherfuckers from France

1189
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: who got picked because Tony Parker and then went in

1190
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: there and put in that work. The French team was

1191
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: balling in. The French team was balling in the Olympics.

1192
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: These guys have come into the league, they've actually been

1193
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: pretty good, but they don't have any cash shade. They're

1194
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: not they don't come in as fully formed stars, and

1195
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: so we would agree. I think most of us will

1196
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: be like, growing the game globally is great for the league.

1197
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: League should want to do that.

1198
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: Get more talent, you get more and then you're like,

1199
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: but actually it kind of hurts your team because it

1200
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: kind of hurts your league when these guys come in.

1201
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: Luka Doncic isn't Luca. He's not coming in as Luca

1202
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: yet he's coming in. It's like, uh, you heard about

1203
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: that one in France.

1204
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 3: And also basketball, so it's a lot like soccer, except

1205
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 3: that American basketball fans are not like soccer fans in

1206
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 3: the sense of that like the hardcore soccer fans, they

1207
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 3: know who the fourteen year old at Chelsea's academy is

1208
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, I can't wait till Calo turns

1209
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 3: eighteen and joins the senior club, like they know that stuff.

1210
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 3: But like basketball fans. They don't know who's who's playing

1211
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 3: basketball at Real Madrid at sixteen years of age, and

1212
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 3: it's it's so on the one hand, the NBA loses

1213
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 3: out on having people arrive to the league as nineteen

1214
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one year olds with an audience, and I

1215
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 3: think the other thing they lose with an American audience

1216
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 3: is the fact that Americans still for the most part

1217
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 3: like to watch Americans. Yes, and so one of the

1218
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 3: reasons that the NFL is able to brand itself is

1219
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 3: the most American league and wrap itself in patriotism and

1220
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 3: ways that even baseball can't. No more major league where

1221
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 3: a critical mass of the players are still American. And

1222
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 3: even like the Canadian dudes that are in the NFL,

1223
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 3: they all go to college in the US. The Samoan

1224
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 3: dudes that are in the NFL, they all go to

1225
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 3: college in the US. A lot of them grow up

1226
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 3: in utr California or Hawaii or whatever. And so that's

1227
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 3: what allows them to brand themselves is patriotic, allows them

1228
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 3: to append themselves to every single holiday because even baseball,

1229
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 3: you know, thirty percent of the of MLB is cats

1230
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 3: from Dominican Venezuela, Cuba up to Japan, you know, And

1231
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 3: so every other league has those two things going against

1232
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,439
Speaker 3: it that the NFL has going for it. They got

1233
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 3: and people that come in that are young, that are anonymous, yes,

1234
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 3: and then people that are not from the US and

1235
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 3: Americans like to look at Americans. Yeah, And so this is.

1236
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: Is real and also a lot of it is the

1237
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: unspoken white specific enophobia. So Luca and Joker are white

1238
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: guys and they are two of the best players in

1239
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: the league, MVP candidates. White people don't not claim them,

1240
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: they like they do not look at them as like

1241
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: part of us.

1242
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: And you know how you know it's true.

1243
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: It's because look at how far some of them went

1244
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: for Caitlyn Clark, who, yes, I love Kaitlyn Clark.

1245
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of Kaitlyn Clark.

1246
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: But the amount of white people who just came out

1247
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: of the woodwork, who are like, I've never heard of

1248
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: sport before until Caitlyn Clark. Y'all should be thinking Caitlyn Clark.

1249
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: And it's like, wait a minute, people been balling the

1250
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: whole time. You could not see yourself until you saw

1251
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: an American born, white person being dominant at a sport,

1252
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: and then you inserted your entire xenophobic idealism into this,

1253
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: our ideology into this, and now you're mad because this

1254
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: person's like, I don't want to be the leader of

1255
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: the racist white people.

1256
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 2: That that's not why I got into this game.

1257
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 3: In fairness to the zeno for whites, they are just

1258
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 3: playing the percentages. They see this English speaking white person

1259
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 3: from Iowa in Iowa votes, remember how Iowa teased people

1260
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 3: the last poles. Oh, they might go Kamala and the

1261
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 3: sign and when when when when? The only poll that

1262
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 3: mattered right was election Day? And they're Likeamala here. So

1263
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 3: if they're just playing their percentages, we are in a

1264
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 3: gambling era now. All we ever do now is gambles.

1265
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 3: And they're like, this is a pretty good bet she's

1266
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 3: gonna be, especially because she's in the sport where there's

1267
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 3: a lot of black people. We get off on the

1268
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 3: fact that she dominates black people, so she must get

1269
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 3: a special real fact. And when they find out she doesn't,

1270
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 3: they're very disappointed. I can see it because they were

1271
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 3: just playing. It's not like she came from California or

1272
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 3: New York.

1273
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 2: But I'll say this along the way there were signs.

1274
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 2: There were signs. I bet they was in.

1275
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: Because like when she liked that Taylor Swift post that

1276
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: was Endorset Kamala, I know they was like, yeah, the

1277
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: fuck are you doing? And then when she and then

1278
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: when she kept getting asked about racism and eventually had

1279
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: to be like, I don't want the racist fans, Like I.

1280
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 2: Don't need y'all saying this shit in my name.

1281
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: That's not I I just want to play basketball, everybody.

1282
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: I told both this too as well. I said, hey, man,

1283
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: you know what this means. If Larry Bird would have

1284
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: existed now, he would have had to say so, that's crazy,

1285
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I was alive during Larry Bird, and the

1286
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: assumption many of us made fair or not fair, was like,

1287
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: this man represents white supremacy and racism in America. This

1288
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: is the racist. He might not be racist, but he

1289
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: racist people number one player for sure.

1290
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 2: And he will push your ass though. But he didn't

1291
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 2: really need to address it.

1292
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: He never needed to address it because it was at

1293
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: least enough away from the like the fervent Larry Bird

1294
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: supporter wasn't putting it on his chest, like yeah, and

1295
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: I and y'all being mean to Larry with these fouls

1296
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: like it was just like he cold and we like

1297
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: watching him beat you. And you might wonder why I

1298
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: smile so hard, but you'll I'll never confirm that I'm

1299
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: smiling because it's a white man.

1300
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 2: This year now is overt and she had to say

1301
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 2: some yeah.

1302
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 3: But Larry Bird also came from a time when the

1303
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 3: other white people in the NBA were also American. There's

1304
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 3: not a ton of white American players, you know, they're

1305
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 3: all waiting on Cooper flag to be I guess it's

1306
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 3: a it's a dad joke to say that Cooper Flag

1307
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 3: is going to become the standard bearer. But goy right,

1308
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 3: remember it was it was probably about ten, twelve, fifteen

1309
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 3: years ago a Buzz Bissinger, the guy that rode Friday

1310
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 3: Night Lights, and he had this long essay and one

1311
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 3: of these magazines about how this preponderance of black players,

1312
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 3: it's weird how people will get so in love, fall

1313
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 3: so in love with an argument that they will look

1314
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 3: at the data and the data tells them the opposite

1315
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 3: of their argument, and they'll just make the argument anyway.

1316
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 3: So his argument was that white fans stopped watching the

1317
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 3: NBA because the NBA became too black, even though in

1318
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 3: his two sets of data both dealt with the lead

1319
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 3: that was seventy five percent black. And the thing that

1320
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 3: changed wasn't the proportion of white players, it was their origin.

1321
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 3: So when he when Buzz Bissinger and his buddies when

1322
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 3: they watched the NBA the twenty five percent of players

1323
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 3: that was white, they were all American. Now, of the

1324
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 3: twenty five percent that is white, a very old small

1325
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 3: percentage of American, the rest of europeon. And it's the

1326
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 3: fact that the the makeup of the white people has

1327
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 3: changed the backgrounds of the white people that changed what

1328
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 3: has turned white Americans off the sport. Yeah, and so,

1329
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 3: but he wanted to blame this on black people. Hey, man,

1330
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 3: don't don't put this on us, because y'all are watching

1331
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:39,959
Speaker 3: thirty years ago when there are a lot of white

1332
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 3: guys in the league named McDermott and Jackson and whatever.

1333
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 3: You're not watching now that everybody's last name is Stojakovic

1334
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 3: and all this right, and so uh again that.

1335
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 2: Is, Hey, look, white people's white people strict about that race.

1336
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: Shit.

1337
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 2: I don't know why they're so strict, but they say

1338
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 2: it takes a long time.

1339
01:07:58,760 --> 01:07:59,919
Speaker 3: They are very Let.

1340
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: Right, let me tell you how different these motherfuckers are

1341
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: from US fam.

1342
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 2: If I'm watching the Olympics, m I don't give a

1343
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: fuck if you're from America.

1344
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: Not you show up with a team of black people

1345
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: doing anything, I'm leaning towards them.

1346
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 2: It don't even matter what the sport is. It could

1347
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 2: be fucking bob slip curling. Don't cool.

1348
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 1: Runners is an entire movie based on this phenomenon that

1349
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: were just like black people doing anything I'm in White

1350
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 1: people do not have that. They needel You need to

1351
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: be from the corn fed fields of Indiana before I

1352
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: will even move my heart towards you. I'm like, bro,

1353
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,600
Speaker 1: if I was I used to tell white dudes this.

1354
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,839
Speaker 1: It was kind of a recurrent joke, but at the gym,

1355
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: because you know, we're all basketball fans and shit, and

1356
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: I'd be like, hey man, why y'all don't claim Lucas

1357
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: cause if this i'ma be honest, I don't fuck with

1358
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods. Me and Tiger Woods have nothing in common.

1359
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 1: I don't think our politics or anything as close the same.

1360
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,759
Speaker 1: But when he be up there in that red shirt

1361
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: on a motherfucker Sunday, afternoon.

1362
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 2: That's my god. Okay.

1363
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 4: And you know what, no matter what they say about

1364
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 4: Tiger Woods, no matter how they feel about what he did,

1365
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 4: Tiger draws, and the second even to today, no matter

1366
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 4: how terrible he is, the second Tiger is out that

1367
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 4: this is why they're making exceptions whatever, Like we're gonna

1368
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 4: go ahead and put you in because we know that

1369
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 4: you can't make it.

1370
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 2: And the second you're not here no more, raiding's taint.

1371
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: Well, Tiger is content now too, like man got one lead,

1372
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: one need no back and were just out here like

1373
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: can you think you might can do something this weekend?

1374
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 4: Because you know what the sad part about it and

1375
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 4: and and MIA's not don't know how to get fuck

1376
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 4: about nothing of the other players.

1377
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 2: They don't want to admit that, Like.

1378
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 4: You can't get the casual golfer a lot of times unless.

1379
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 2: You deep into golf to just be like, oh, it would.

1380
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 4: Be times I'm like, oh, Tiger, oh, let me go

1381
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 4: to the channel. Same thing with Serena and that being

1382
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:01,879
Speaker 4: let me go to the channel because.

1383
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 3: Their own you put a picture of Bryson the Shambo

1384
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 3: up there, and then uh, Josh Holly challenge your audience

1385
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 3: with no names to figure out which one is Bryson

1386
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,879
Speaker 3: de Shambo, which one is Josh Holly, who's the golfer,

1387
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 3: who was the senator that ran from the mom I

1388
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 3: don't know, but it's a coin toss to men, even

1389
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 3: like Phil Nicholson took the money from the Saudi's. And

1390
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 3: I know the name Phil Nicholson. I know he's left handed.

1391
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 3: I know he's been in trouble for insider trading. But

1392
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 3: if he walked down the street, if Phil Micholson had

1393
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 3: his dog, could not tell had had the dog pooped,

1394
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 3: had the dog poop.

1395
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 2: On my lawn?

1396
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 3: I would not be able to say Phil Nicholson's pooped

1397
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 3: on my lawn.

1398
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 2: I would just be like this white man, unbothered he could.

1399
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 3: I know, I know what Tiger Woods looks like, right,

1400
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 3: And but.

1401
01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: The thing is we will claim tiger Is that I'm

1402
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: saying to this day, like honestly, That's the thing that

1403
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 1: was really funny about the Jake Paul thing because I

1404
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 1: was doing the radio at the time with Karen Hunter,

1405
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: and man, I was just shaking my head. So many

1406
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: black people called in to talk about how they were

1407
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: gonna watch it, and they were talking, I can hear

1408
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 1: him talking themselves into mic beating him up, and I'm

1409
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: like and like, I felt bad to be the party people,

1410
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 1: but I also felt obligated to tell them, like, yeah,

1411
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. This is not an actual

1412
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:37,759
Speaker 1: fighting event. This is not boxing for real, this is content.

1413
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 1: And there's no part of sixty year old Mike Tyson

1414
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: that would actually be better off beating this guy. Like,

1415
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 1: there's nothing about this that would actually make it be

1416
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: like if he like, let's say he had the ability

1417
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: to beat him, even if he had the ability, it's

1418
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: just fucking up Jake Paul's bag to beat him.

1419
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 2: This man, did you a twenty million dollar favor essentially.

1420
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: For you just showing up and being like, I'm Mike Tyson,

1421
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 1: give me twenty million dollars and going to fuck home.

1422
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: That's before you get into the tell of the Tate

1423
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 1: type shit. And most importantly, all they're really selling you

1424
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: is this white guy fighting a black guy. He's been

1425
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,759
Speaker 1: doing it over and over.

1426
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, what they're selling what it's not just they're

1427
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 3: not selling you white guy fighting a black guy, because

1428
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 3: if that was the case, Jake Paul versus Andre August

1429
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 3: would have done huge numbers, and it didn't. It's Jake

1430
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 3: Paul fighting the idea of nineteen eighty eight. Mike Tyson,

1431
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 3: that's what the numbers.

1432
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 1: One second second, I'm sorry, one second, one second more.

1433
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,719
Speaker 2: I didn't say it was effective every time.

1434
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are selling the same thing every time, which

1435
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 1: is uh, here he is fighting Nate Robinson Like no, Like.

1436
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,600
Speaker 3: There's there's two things j Paul. He doesn't have the

1437
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 3: same thing every time. There is Jake Paul beating up

1438
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 3: on a black guy who looks threatening but is just

1439
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 3: qualified to do this. But also because he fights these

1440
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 3: old white guys too, like Nates. It's whatever makes that

1441
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 3: person seem like a credible opponent as a boxer. Sometimes

1442
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 3: it's just the fact that they're a black guy. Sometimes

1443
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 3: it's the fact that they're a washed up mixed martial artist.

1444
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:31,600
Speaker 3: The one time he fought a guy who knew how

1445
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 3: to box a little bit, he lost, and so he

1446
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 3: but he's very good at at at finding well, well, no,

1447
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 3: because the times he's fought like journeyman boxers, like the

1448
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 3: type of people that you would expect a boxer of

1449
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 3: Paul's skill level to fight, but guys that were not

1450
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 3: famous Okay, he's one of those fights, but no one

1451
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 3: paid attention. And what Jake Paul is doing is he's

1452
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 3: fighting the kinds of fights that you fight when you're

1453
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 3: a novice old boxer and getting huge money to do it.

1454
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 3: Because usually, like these fights here in terms of skill level,

1455
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 3: if there's fights at your local arena, not even the

1456
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 3: big arena, like uh just local auditorium, local, small time casino,

1457
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 3: these fights aren't even the main event, right. These fights

1458
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 3: are like at the bottom of the undercard. Jake Paul

1459
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,759
Speaker 3: has figured out how to take bottom of the undercard

1460
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 3: action yep and put it to the main event and

1461
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 3: get pay per view star sized paychecks. And in this case,

1462
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 3: again what he's selling, Jake Paul did not sell this

1463
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 3: fight the idea of Mike Tyson.

1464
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: It's the carnival dunk tank. Is that Jake Paul. Jake

1465
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: Paul so hateable. He's like, you'll watch anyone try to

1466
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 1: humiliate me and people And for the most part, what

1467
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: when I said the versus a black guy, they I

1468
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: didn't even realize I was doing this subconsciously. But I'm

1469
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: talking about when these black people get interested in one

1470
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: not not the like those other fights that nobody watched.

1471
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 2: I'm not even talking about those.

1472
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: But like I've seen black people talk themselves into Nate

1473
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: Robinson gonna knock this man out, and I'm like, brother,

1474
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: I promise you that's us interjecting some stuff because we

1475
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 1: don't have the data points to justify that feeling other

1476
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 1: than I want to see this white dude get his

1477
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 1: ass knocked out.

1478
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 3: In fairness, we did not know enough about Jake Paul

1479
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 3: as the boxer back then, and all we knew about

1480
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:30,679
Speaker 3: Nate Robinson is that he likes to fight in real life.

1481
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 3: But like real life fighting boxing are not the same.

1482
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 3: Like a boxer does a lot better in a street

1483
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 3: fight against like just a dude than a street fighter

1484
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 3: does in a boxing exactly, you know. But that was

1485
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 3: when we learned that, like Jake Ball, if you put

1486
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 3: him in against a non boxer, he's gonna beat the

1487
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 3: non box right. But again, he's been able to take

1488
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 3: this sort of novice pro level skill set to the

1489
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 3: top of pay per view cards. But at some point

1490
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 3: we're just gonna have to let Mike Tyson be fifty

1491
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 3: eight years old m hm, and like fifteen years old.

1492
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 3: He has sciatica, he has leading Ulcers. Yep, right, just

1493
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 3: let him be that and stop imagining this guy.

1494
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 2: I mean, he told I.

1495
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: Thought it was so funny because on the Karen Hunter

1496
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: Show when these people were calling in, it was right

1497
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: after that clip of the interview with the little girl

1498
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,719
Speaker 1: who was like, you know, what do you think about legacy?

1499
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: And he gives this really dark answer and shout out

1500
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 1: to their professionalism, you know, taking in stride. But he

1501
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: gives this really dark answer and people are calling in being.

1502
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 2: Like, see, he gonna destroy him. I was like, I

1503
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 2: heard a man that said this.

1504
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 3: Don't matter, like, well, here here's it, and it doesn't right.

1505
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 3: You know, you want to know how we know is

1506
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:50,520
Speaker 3: because it does not matter how many times Mike Tyson underperforms.

1507
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 3: It just looks like an old guy out there going

1508
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 3: through the motions. He goes away for a while, he

1509
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 3: comes back, and we always imagine nineteen eighty eight Mike Tyson.

1510
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 3: So he got embarrassed by Jake. All this time people

1511
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 3: are asking me, what's it's gonna do to Mike Tyson's legacy.

1512
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 3: Absolutely nothing, Because if if a listless, lackluster loss did

1513
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 3: something to ruin Mike Tyson's legacy, he was having those

1514
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 3: losses twenty years ago, and we still think twenty years

1515
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 3: later exactly, and twenty years worth of health problems later,

1516
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 3: he's just gonna jump up and be twenty one year old.

1517
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 2: Nostalgic.

1518
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 3: I think he does is going to affect his legacy,

1519
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 3: His legacies.

1520
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 1: Nostalgic brother is crazy, and watch this happen. I want

1521
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 1: to ask you a couple more questions. I'll do speed

1522
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 1: fire around. We know you got to get out of

1523
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 1: here in five minutes, all right. Clarissa Shills, yes, did

1524
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: you see her ever taking on the battle of her

1525
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,759
Speaker 1: life off the out of the boxing ring in trying

1526
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: to fight possibly Remy.

1527
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 3: Ma I saw, I saw a couple of these sort

1528
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 3: of floated across my timeline. First thing, because Clarsa has

1529
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 3: a rap record too, she don't she don't want it

1530
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 3: in a rap battle with Remy mat right, But uh,

1531
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 3: people they keep Clarissa Shields. I've seen her lose one time,

1532
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 3: and that was in a mixed martial arts fight, and

1533
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 3: that is not her sport, right right, But like there

1534
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 3: is nobody, no matter how tough they seem, Clarissa Shields,

1535
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 3: He's gonna kick their ass. Any woman on the planet

1536
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 3: in a boxing match, several of them at the same time.

1537
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago, they were trying to tell

1538
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 3: me that Layla Ally, like right now, Layla Ally is

1539
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 3: the same age I am. She was born in the

1540
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 3: mid seventies to beat Clarissa Shields, and they were mad

1541
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 3: at Clarissa Shields were pointing out this old woman is

1542
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 3: not gonna beat right and Laila Ali, to give her credit,

1543
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 3: was smart enough not to bring her ass back in

1544
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 3: the gym and go train.

1545
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 2: Don't do it. You're gonna have to shoot her. Like now, she.

1546
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 3: Can't beat any type of fight.

1547
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 1: Her resume says she'll pop out so like she'll pull

1548
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 1: that thing out.

1549
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 2: So I hope both of them careful. I hope they

1550
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 2: don't fight.

1551
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 1: But every time I see that commercial for the new

1552
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: movie about Claressa Shill's life, I'd be like, that's the

1553
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: girl that's gonna grow up to steal papoos and and

1554
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 1: threaten all right, the next thing, the next thing, Cause

1555
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna go through the speed round. How

1556
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: is Canada handling the whole Drake thing? Are y'all okay

1557
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 1: up there? Y'all good?

1558
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 3: I personally am fine okay, okay. I personally am fine

1559
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 3: because you all read my book. I'm very secure in

1560
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 3: my identity as an African American. The thing that fascinates

1561
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 3: me about Drake it's that. And like BOSSI and I

1562
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 3: Boss and I talked DM about this stuff.

1563
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 2: Is Drake.

1564
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 3: Has an actual, like legitimate, authentic, organic connection to Black

1565
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,600
Speaker 3: American Black American culture, but still comes at it like

1566
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:54,719
Speaker 3: a culture vulture.

1567
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what right.

1568
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 3: Like, remember lou Bega, I'm at number five. That guy

1569
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 3: was no type of Afro Latin American, right he was.

1570
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 3: I think one of his parents are from Uganda and

1571
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,759
Speaker 3: one was from Italy. He grew up in like Germany,

1572
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 3: but he looked the part. He's like, let me swoop

1573
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 3: in like a culture culture because people will buy it

1574
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 3: for me because I look the part. But Drake is

1575
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 3: like a lou Bega. He don't have to be like

1576
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 3: his dad is from Memphis. He has an authentic, organic

1577
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 3: connection to the history, to the culture, and he just

1578
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 3: happened for whatever reason, he chooses to come at it

1579
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 3: like a culture vulture.

1580
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 2: And I just like.

1581
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 3: The Drake fans get mad at me for mentioning this,

1582
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 3: and they keep trying to explain to me what this

1583
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 3: line actually means. I'm like, this guy has in all

1584
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 3: this space to say exactly what he means. But like,

1585
01:20:52,200 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 3: I cannot respect a black person who says you always rapping,

1586
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 3: like you about to get the lives free?

1587
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.

1588
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 3: Why should I respect this person? It does not matter

1589
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 3: what the rest of his body, the body of work.

1590
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 1: Is and and on top of that, he's taking a

1591
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: rap beef to the courtroom to sue Terrist.

1592
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:25,679
Speaker 3: Thing Drake is still all right because very Donald Trump, Like,

1593
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 3: these numbers are fake unless they favor me and then

1594
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 3: they're real.

1595
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:30,600
Speaker 2: So now are the Spotify.

1596
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 3: Numbers fake because Bigger Picture Drake is still the highest

1597
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 3: ranking rap artists on Spotify, So the numbers are fake

1598
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,759
Speaker 3: until they favor me, then they're really on the same label.

1599
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 2: So yes, it don't make sense.

1600
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 3: You told us that Kendrick, that you fed Kendrick fake

1601
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:52,560
Speaker 3: info and this is what he made his songs out of.

1602
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 3: Ha ha haa Joe Kendrick.

1603
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 2: But I'm suing but.

1604
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 3: Now now I'm suing you for deformation. But if I

1605
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 3: feed you fake info, how are you defaming me when

1606
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:04,759
Speaker 3: I gave you that info?

1607
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 2: Fam, What's happening? What's up with this man?

1608
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: And and then I do appreciate Kendrick doing an encore

1609
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 1: show in Toronto, in Toronto, I can't wait to.

1610
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:17,839
Speaker 2: See how that goes. I wish I could get tickets

1611
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 2: just to that. I wish I could fly to Toronto.

1612
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 3: It's strange because like when you go back and listen

1613
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:30,440
Speaker 3: to Euphoria, like everything that Kendrick said was gonna happen.

1614
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 2: Yes, has happened all in that preamble too.

1615
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 1: You don't even gotta listen to the whole Ephori before

1616
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: he even get the jam and he told you already

1617
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: these superstars, these superpowers been neutralized. I can only watch

1618
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 1: in silence, just listen to that man anyway to go?

1619
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 2: All right?

1620
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 3: So, so answer to answer your question, Canadians are very conflicted.

1621
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 3: On the one hand, notoe like a lot of Canadians

1622
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 3: aren't conflicted. And the truth is there is a strong

1623
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 3: undercurrent of anti blackness mm hmm, in like especially in

1624
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 3: family matters, like you hear it?

1625
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, nig I was like, whoa a lot of

1626
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 1: Drake's that's not how you so much.

1627
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 3: Emphasis he puts so much emphasis on the end.

1628
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, at.

1629
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 3: It was only because he knew he could not use

1630
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 3: the R So he's like, I gotta put it on

1631
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 3: the front end because I can't put it on the

1632
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 3: back end.

1633
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 1: The only way out for him might be to go

1634
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 1: through and just be like I'm magging now, okay, Gods.

1635
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 3: I would it would not surprise me. But like you guys,

1636
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 3: y'all read my memoir, heard it. You know who I

1637
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 3: grew up around. You know the language I heard in

1638
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 3: my house all the time. How my dad and my uncle,

1639
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 3: how they talk to my uncle from the West Side Chicago.

1640
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 3: My dad's from the South Side Chicago. So I had

1641
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:51,879
Speaker 3: never heard my dad and my uncle.

1642
01:23:51,760 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 1: Say, all right, it's it's time.

1643
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 2: We're past the time. A lot of for us, man,

1644
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 2: thank you so much you spending time with us. YO,

1645
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 2: make sure y'all go get the book.

1646
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 3: A time well, let me and let me let me

1647
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 3: mourn your because I'm my publisher and I are are

1648
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 3: fighting right now with the US distributor. Right now it

1649
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 3: is next to impossible to get my book in stores

1650
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 3: in the US. And faithfully, because I had, I just

1651
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 3: happened to stop by Call and Response Books in Chicago

1652
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 3: New Indie Bookstore in Chicago. Black owned in Hyde Park.

1653
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 3: We were talking about and like, yeah, we'd love to

1654
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 3: carry your book. We cannot get it from our distributor.

1655
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 3: So anyone that's interested in ordering the book, best bet

1656
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 3: right now is to get it online. But like, hopefully

1657
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 3: in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, we'll have

1658
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 3: straightened things out with Ingram, which is the big distributor

1659
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 3: of books in the US, to get that book in

1660
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 3: stores in the US. Because I always get people asking me,

1661
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 3: I went to Barnes and Noble. I went here, I

1662
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 3: can find it. You can get it online. I'm not

1663
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 3: going to tell you not to get it from Amazon.

1664
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 3: Get it, do the thing that works with your budget.

1665
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 3: But order from an Indian if you can. Okay, Like

1666
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 3: Jeff Bezos doesn't need more of our money. He just

1667
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 3: took a million dollars and gave it to Trump for his.

1668
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna though I gave him. I gave him

1669
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:14,679
Speaker 2: the money.

1670
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 1: So I get the Kendle version because I like to

1671
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 1: leave notes and I like to be able to go

1672
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 1: back to the notes and reference them, you know, to

1673
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 1: read the excerpts and be like, you know, Morgan was

1674
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 1: writing his ass.

1675
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:24,720
Speaker 2: Off right here.

1676
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not gonna lie to you. He

1677
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 1: got me, but y'all be better than me. Y'all go

1678
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 1: out there, y'all directly to a black person and get

1679
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 1: this book.

1680
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Morgan.

1681
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 3: Appreciate you guys anytime. And like, hey, if Kendrick can

1682
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 3: drake flair up again, you guys need an expert. I

1683
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:45,799
Speaker 3: literally wrote the book. Yeah, Afro American Inadian Relations.

1684
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 2: You let me know, bro, we're gonna have you back.

1685
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 1: It will not I promise you, this will not be

1686
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 1: four years before the next time you're on the show.

1687
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 2: I promise you. Right before.

1688
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 1: The last episode he was on was White Guilt is

1689
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:00,480
Speaker 1: a Finite Resource.

1690
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 2: July twenty ninth, twenty twenty.

1691
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure we were talking at the time, like, brother,

1692
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: get that money, write that book because you don't know.

1693
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 2: When it's also but.

1694
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 3: Were we not correct about that?

1695
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 2: Where are we not?

1696
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 3: What's happened since where we?

1697
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,520
Speaker 2: Like, let me take a long ship from our smug mug.

1698
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 4: Right, because didn't we fucking say get the money while

1699
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 4: you can?

1700
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 1: All right, that's it, We'll be back throughout the week.

1701
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: We'll be back throughout the week. Thanks for listening. Until

1702
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 1: next time, check out Morgan, get the book. Until next time,

1703
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: I love you you Yah.