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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast the I Got My Mind Set

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Speaker 1: on You audition as we visit with Greg Cosell from

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Speaker 1: NFL Films in the NFL Matchup Show on ESPN. Greg

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Speaker 1: is a personal favorite when it comes to watching the

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Speaker 1: tape and explaining what it all means, and when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the best quarterback in this year's draft, his

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Speaker 1: mind is set on Joe Burrow. He'll explain why. Plus

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Speaker 1: we'll discuss John ross Auden, Tate, AJ Green, and much more,

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Speaker 1: and getting back to Joe Burrow in honor of his

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Speaker 1: LSU uniform number nine. Bengals offensive coordinator Brian Callahan answers

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Speaker 1: nine questions about the possible number one pick in this

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Speaker 1: year's draft, which as of this recording is only forty

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Speaker 1: eight days away. All of that is straight ahead, but first,

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Speaker 1: On a recent UC basketball road trip, I lost my iPhone.

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Speaker 1: get to Greg coo Sell. During the season, Dave Lapham

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Speaker 1: and I do two radio shows together each week, the

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Speaker 1: Bengals Game Plan Show on Wednesdays and the Bengals pep

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Speaker 1: Rally Show on Fridays, and one of our favorite guests

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Speaker 1: is Greg coo Sell. He's worked for NFL Films for

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Speaker 1: together with Greg at the NFL scouting combine, and I

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Speaker 1: began our conversation by asking him about Joe Burrow. Is

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Speaker 1: he the guy the Bengals should select number one overall? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's an organizational decision, But I like Burrow a lot.

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Speaker 1: I think Borrows the best quarterback prospect in this draft.

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Speaker 1: My guests has given Inny Dol's age that they're going

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Speaker 1: to look to the quarterback position. My guess is that

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Speaker 1: make every throw that Jared Goff can make. And Burrow

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Speaker 1: In some ways. In that regard, he kind of reminded

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Speaker 1: from previous conversations we've had with you. You like quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: And I think that that Joe Burrow can handle all

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Speaker 1: Films and the NFL matchup show on ESPN. Did the

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Speaker 1: route concepts, Dan, it's how you get to them. And

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Speaker 1: You've got some Manila envelopes in front of you from

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Speaker 1: they can still get a quality receiver. I'm no good

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Speaker 1: Dan at this. You know, knowing, you know who's gonna

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Speaker 1: but you can't compare a six three, six four receiver

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Speaker 1: You know, kJ Hamler came in at under five nine

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Speaker 1: So then it comes down to what you're looking for

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Speaker 1: there's there's definitely we have very very very many common concepts.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's the West Coast in nature. Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton is where Joe Brady got a lot of that

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Speaker 1: stuff from in the drop back game, in the empty game,

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Speaker 1: So that's not all that foreign. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of things that that are the same. Now, they

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Speaker 1: did a little they did a really nice job and

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Speaker 1: they did that we thought were good that we will

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Speaker 1: bull at some point, whether Joe's playing for us or not,

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Speaker 1: we'll probably end up taking just because it was good,

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Speaker 1: good solid scheme. Topic number six. Callahan has watched every

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Speaker 1: snap that Burrow took at LSU. Many of us watch

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Speaker 1: Joe against Alabama and in the College Football Playoff wins

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Speaker 1: over Oklahoma and Clemson, and in those three games he

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Speaker 1: threw fifteen touchdown passes and no interceptions. But were there

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Speaker 1: plays that many of us didn't see that caught Brian

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Speaker 1: Callahan's eye. There's a couple of plays where you see

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Speaker 1: him and the movements so subtle, and he takes just

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Speaker 1: a slight slide in the pocket as he's slidding in it,

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Speaker 1: he makes a really accurate throw on third down. To me,

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Speaker 1: those are the ones that make it really that stand

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Speaker 1: out to me when you're watching just the finer points

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Speaker 1: of everyone sees the big ones. You're right, there's all

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Speaker 1: these crazy scrambles of moving. But it's the ones where

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Speaker 1: he's he slides once, or slides slides right, slides up

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Speaker 1: but the ball puts puts it right in the spot

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Speaker 1: where the guy can catch him. Those are the most

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Speaker 1: impressive to me. Those are the more that's the most

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Speaker 1: translatable skill you see as that happens over and over again.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, the big plays are the big plays,

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Speaker 1: they're they're great. You hope you have a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: But that's the subtle movements that he does so well

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Speaker 1: and then delivers an accurate throw Topic number seven. As

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosell pointed out, Burrow does not have exceptional arm strength.

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Speaker 1: When Callahan watched the tape, did Burrow's arm appear to

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Speaker 1: be strong enough? There's been nothing on there that says

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Speaker 1: that he can't make any throw you're asking to make.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's there's multiple times where he throws balls

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Speaker 1: to the field to the far sideline where you go, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's more than enough. That's gonna get you everything

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Speaker 1: you need. His deep balls I think got better as

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Speaker 1: the year one on. He had a couple earli in

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Speaker 1: the year where you're like, what's is there enough there?

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Speaker 1: And then I think he puts most of those things

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Speaker 1: to bed when he when he throws some of the

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Speaker 1: balls and he threw there's I have no reservations about

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Speaker 1: his ability to throw the ball. And that leads to

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Speaker 1: a natural follow up for topic number eight, just how

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Speaker 1: important is arm strength for an NFL quarterback? I think

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Speaker 1: you have to have enough. I mean there has there's

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Speaker 1: there is a baseline arm strength, and I think you

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Speaker 1: have to have that. But I think what makes playing

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Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL so much different is that the

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Speaker 1: anticipation and the accuracy are so much more important over

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Speaker 1: the long haul of than just pure arms strength. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that can really throw it.

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Speaker 1: There's and you know, you look back at the history

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Speaker 1: of guys, there's a lot of guys that will come

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Speaker 1: here and throw and oh boy, that looks great and

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Speaker 1: they're in shorts and they can look pretty, and the

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Speaker 1: law comes out and it goes, it goes far, and

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Speaker 1: it goes fast, and then you look at them playing

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Speaker 1: the game and you just don't see the same thing.

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Speaker 1: So to me, and sometimes it's a little bit like

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Speaker 1: forty times, and there's guys that run really fast, but

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Speaker 1: they don't play fast. There's guys that throw really hard,

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Speaker 1: they don't play well. So you kind of try to

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Speaker 1: factor all those things in. So there's a baseline, certaintly

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Speaker 1: that you have to be able to make with the

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Speaker 1: velocity in your ball, But to me, the accuracy and

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Speaker 1: the anticipation are so much more important than just pure

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Speaker 1: armstreng fine lay topic number nine. The Bengals have missed

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Speaker 1: the playoffs for four straight years and are coming off

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Speaker 1: one of the worst seasons in franchise history. How much

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Speaker 1: can a quarterback drafted number one overall invigorate the entire franchise.

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Speaker 1: Anytime you add a caliber player you're gonna pick at

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Speaker 1: the first overall pick in the draft, no matter what

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Speaker 1: the position, can certainly certainly lift your team. It does

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Speaker 1: provide an excitement. There's an excitement that you're taking a

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Speaker 1: type of player that can really push your franchise forward,

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Speaker 1: you know on the flip side, not such as a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: but we took von Miller in Denver at two overall

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Speaker 1: and that injected as a whole different type of life

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Speaker 1: on our defensive side of the ball. We felt good

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Speaker 1: about offensively where we were. But that lifts the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: It makes the confidence in what's going on that much

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Speaker 1: higher that you're going to get an impact type of player.

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Speaker 1: And really you're picking a top very round, so you

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Speaker 1: should be adding three or four impact type of players

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Speaker 1: that build meant they walk into building, they're helping your team.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's there should be some excitement about that,

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Speaker 1: Like there's no you don't like to be in the

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Speaker 1: spot and hope to never be here again, but you

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Speaker 1: hope that when you are in the spot, you the

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Speaker 1: most of them. So there you have it. In honor

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Speaker 1: of Joe Burrows uniform number at LSU nine, Candid answers

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Speaker 1: about the Heisman Trophy winning quarterback from Bengals offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: Brian Callahan. That's going to do it for this episode

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Speaker 1: of the podcast. Next week we'll hear from NFL draft

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