1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,440 Speaker 1: Hey guys, I just want to give you a quick 2 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: disclaimer before we get into this episode. The topic of 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: domestic abuse will be spoken about a lot, so I 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: just wanted to give you that warning. 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 6 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: with iHeartRadio. 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Oh hi, friends, we have a breaking news episode on 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: the Taylor Frankie Paul News. It's not good news right now. 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: So we talked in our last episode with Trista and 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: Deanna right after before the final Rows the special aired 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: on Sunday night, that there was news breaking about a 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: domestic violent situation in Vowing Taylor and her ex bab Well, 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: her baby daddy, her ex Dakota. The Mormon Wives filming 14 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 1: has been paused and since then we have received a 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: lot of information. A lot of this is coming from TMZ. 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: But this is a big situation and it's a very upset, 17 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: disappointing situation. It's involving domestic violence. As we know, Taylor 18 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: does have a past in this. She was arrested for 19 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: domestic violence against Dakota a couple of years ago. She's 20 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: talked about it. It's been a topic on Secret Lives, 21 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: and now it seems like it is it has happened 22 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: again about three weeks ago, and we don't know the truth. 23 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: So here we are just kind of regurgitating what we're 24 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: hearing from different outlets. But we are here to do that, 25 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: So don't hold anything that we are saying as truth. 26 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: We are honestly speaking in rumor right now. 27 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: We should also probably know, Ashley, that this is an 28 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 3: ongoing story, So information is constantly coming in and we're 29 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: getting a little bit more here, a little bit more 30 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 3: there as the days and hours go by. 31 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: Yes, so Heather's here with me now, and Ben is 32 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: going to do another episode later today. Because so much 33 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: is breaking, we want to just kind of keep you updated. 34 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a really big week. The girl 35 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: just went to the Oscars. Then she had a special air, 36 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: which we haven't had a bachelorette special like that. After 37 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: the Oscars, like basically ever, she's supposed to be bringing 38 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: back the franchise. She was a very She was a 39 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: divisive choice at the beginning. A lot of people were like, 40 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: they would never have put a man with a domestic 41 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: violence background as the lead of the show. It seems hypnocritical. 42 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: It's just a questionable choice to have anybody with that 43 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: kind of background as the lead of a romantic show, 44 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: and now we're seeing that something happened again. Something has 45 00:02:53,680 --> 00:03:00,839 Speaker 1: happened again, and it's the week of her premiere. It's crazy, Heather. 46 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: Before we go into the actual story, like the speculative story, 47 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: what are you do? You have anything to say? 48 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 3: Well, I just want you to I want to get 49 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: your thoughts on the fact that this all. First of all, 50 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: this happened on February twenty third, that is what's being 51 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: reported as to when the cops were called and there 52 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 3: was interaction with the cops. We are now at March 53 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: seventeenth as we're recording this, and it came out on 54 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 3: Sunday night, So it came out after Taylor walked the 55 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: carpet at the Oscars, and it came out after her 56 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: special aired. I want to know your opinion on that 57 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: when you hear that, Well. 58 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: See, I feel like you're more of an expert in this. 59 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: You're kind of like the behind the scenes girl. You know, 60 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: you're in casting, your production, and I'm just like, you 61 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: feel like there's some something there, like somebody had like 62 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: TMZ even may have had this report, but they held 63 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: it back out of like negotiation and friendliness with networks. 64 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: That is because if you were on the Secret Lives 65 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: in Bachelorette like quote quote dark Web, you could have 66 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: seen that there was speculations that there was going to 67 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:18,119 Speaker 1: be another domestic violent violence report about Taylor coming out 68 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: within the next few weeks. I think what's crazy is 69 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: that this secret has been kept for at least three 70 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: weeks because they were filming Secret Lives, So that means 71 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 1: that there was so many people involved in that production 72 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: on screen and off, and then there was just like 73 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: the fact that these people are they're so well known 74 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: in their communities and in America. The fact that people 75 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: who heard and saw about this, nobody has been like, hey, 76 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: red flag, hi, hi, Hi, this is much to be 77 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: your Bachelorette lead. That's crazy that it hasn't leaked in 78 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: three weeks. 79 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: Well, we did obviously when we put together Frankie Friday's 80 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 3: every week. We do see a lot of stuff, right, 81 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: and the stuff that is rumored or commented sometimes we 82 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 3: talk about it, but if there's not a lot of 83 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: stuff to back it up, you know, a comment here 84 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: or there is just sometimes somebody's opinion. But I would 85 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: be lying if I said that I hadn't seen a 86 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: couple of comments circulating from people in Dakota's camp specifically 87 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: talking or hinting at this that this was coming. I 88 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: believe we saw a comment from Dakota's girlfriend or latest girlfriend, 89 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 3: making some kind of shady comment. I think we recorded 90 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 3: on that the day that the Bachelorette trailer came out. 91 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 3: I believe she made some sort of comment underneath that 92 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 3: that was like alleging something. I can't sorry, I can't 93 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: recall exactly what, but I remember it was something about 94 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 3: when you find out like that the Bachelorette is actually 95 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: the one there for the wrong reasons, I believe was 96 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: something along the lines. And then we had another comment 97 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: circulating from somebody that knows Dakota hinting at another domestic 98 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 3: violence I believe they specifically said another domestic violence account 99 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 3: was going to be coming out very soon. So it 100 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 3: was circulating on the internet. It didn't get the full 101 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 3: press coverage until Sunday, and I do believe that that 102 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: is a very calculated move. 103 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 4: I can't tell you why they did. 104 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: That from the PR gods. 105 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: From the PR team, and I say my best guess 106 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 3: is that they were thinking it would get buried by 107 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 3: OSCAR coverage. To have released it so late at night, 108 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 3: I don't know, but all I do know is that 109 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 3: they have to get in front of this, and they 110 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: have to do it soon, because as much time as 111 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 3: goes by, the more we're seeing all of this, he said. 112 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 3: She said, different sides coming out, and it's not looking 113 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 3: good for her, and it's not looking good for the show. 114 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 4: And I can. 115 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 3: Say with insider knowledge what we have heard is that 116 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 3: the show is not going away. Bachelorette is not getting canceled, 117 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 3: and as of right now, on March seventeenth, when we 118 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: are recording this, it is still set to premiere. 119 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: I remember when Bachelor and Paradise season four, yeah, four 120 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: oh yes got shut down because of the sexual assault allegations. 121 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: That news spread rapidly huge, and that was a set 122 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: shut down, right, yes, How has the secret lives in? 123 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: Like the Continental US has been shut down for three 124 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: weeks and nobody's talked about it, And apparently, guys, this 125 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,119 Speaker 1: is production wants to go forward. I guess that's probably 126 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: the difference. Production wants to go forward. The cast is 127 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: the one that is saying we will not go forward 128 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: until this is addressed. 129 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 4: Exactly. 130 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: You know, I can't speak to what their filming schedule is, Like, 131 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 3: I don't know if maybe they had planned downtime already 132 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: around this because of her going and doing press for 133 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 3: this season and whatnot, Like maybe they had a weird 134 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: schedule going on. So I don't know exactly if they've 135 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 3: been down for three weeks, but we do have confirmation 136 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: that they are currently down right now. Cameras are down, 137 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: and you and I both know when cameras go down, 138 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: that's a very expensive choice for a show and for 139 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: a network to make. They really try to not go 140 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: down for a specific reason, and that's because the employees 141 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 3: that make these shows work freelance and work different shows, 142 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 3: so when they're not working, they're not getting paid. We're 143 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: talking about the camera guys, hair and makeup, all of 144 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 3: those kinds of people. So the longer you go down, 145 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 3: the more you risk having your crew have to go 146 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 3: find jobs elsewhere. They don't just love to sit around 147 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: and wait to not get paid and not work. So 148 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 3: it's a very expensive decision every single day that they 149 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 3: are down to not be filming, and it also allows 150 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: the new cycle to keep going and they're not actually 151 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 3: catching things in real time, which is very difficult for 152 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 3: a show like this that relies on reality. 153 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: That's right. They hate that, Yes, they hate that. Okay, 154 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: so let's get into the actual story. Sources close to them. 155 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: Two sources close to the Secret Laves of Mormon Wives 156 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: production tells TMZ that Dakota and Taylor were spending time 157 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,239 Speaker 1: together at his place when they started fighting about Dakota's 158 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: romantic past, namely his hookup with a cast member Shaniah Powell. 159 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: Where I am in season two, which I'm cruising through it, 160 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: I'm just really try. I swear to you like I'm 161 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: in now, I'm in. I don't know her. Is she 162 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: a prominent figure? 163 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 4: No? 164 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 3: She does literally not show up until season four this 165 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 3: season okay. 166 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: So basically she's not a cast member as we would know. 167 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 3: No, I will say, Bachelor fans, if you are not 168 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 3: up to date with season four, we do see a 169 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 3: lot of Letia gar and she is hanged shanayah. 170 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: Okay cool. Yeah, And Bachelor fans, if you aren't Secret 171 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: Lives fans, it's interesting to watch the last few episodes 172 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: and we see Taylor say her goodbye because it's a 173 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: really it's very much a rollover moment. You really should 174 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: watch it. I mean, if you can get past the 175 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: story we're about to get into. So we have been 176 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: told that it got physical. This is TMZ as Taylor 177 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: allegedly choked Dakota and ripped his necklace off, grabbing his 178 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: throat and face, and this happened with their son Ever 179 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: in the room. One source says that Dakota even called 180 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: police that night, but Taylor somehow convinced him to change 181 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: his story and tell the cops that everything was good. 182 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: She apologized and even returned to Dakota's home the following night. 183 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: That meeting also went south. Taylor allegedly scratched his neck 184 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: during a second night of fighting and checked his phone 185 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: against the wall. Isn't that what happened in the first 186 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: domestic abuse? I remember something along the lines, but don't 187 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: quote me on that. I'm so sorry. We're told that 188 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: DMZ is told that a friend of Dakota's saw his 189 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: neck the next day, and that the friend then called 190 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: the police. Responding officers interviewed him and were told that 191 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: they saw proof of injuries. So TMZ broke this story 192 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: and Taylor. Frankie Paul has a much different version of events, 193 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: as sources with direct knowledge to her say that Dakota 194 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: was the primary aggressor during a recent car ride with Taylor, 195 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: but the other production sources have negated the allegation, saying 196 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: that she was physically abusive to him and their son. 197 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: Production is again paused due to the former couple's volatile relationship, 198 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: and we're TMZ is told that we've been ordered to 199 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: get they've been both ordered to get psych evaluations. Sources 200 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: close to Dakota say that no such test has been 201 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: ordered on him. And then it's despite the producers wanting 202 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: to keep the cameras rolling because of the nature of 203 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: the allegations, Taylor's Bachelorette season debuting next week, which has 204 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: been completely shot, the co stars are refusing to continue filming. 205 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: As we mentioned earlier, all right, I mean, that's just awful, awful, awful, awful, 206 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: awful stuff, and especially with the fact that ever has 207 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: been allegedly in the room. You made a comment earlier 208 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: about the fact that you have heard and rumblings on 209 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: the internet and such that there's been calls to child 210 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: protective services. 211 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: Yes, we've been seeing reports things floating around on the 212 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 3: internet that allegedly Dakota has been calling CPS on Taylor. Again, 213 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: we don't have solid concrete proof on this, but that 214 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 3: is what has been alleged. It says, well, here we'll 215 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 3: go into this one. Mormon Wives Taylor Frankie Paul is 216 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: sharing child custody with Dakota. 217 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, so that does roll over into this. Yeah, 218 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: there has been alleged evidence of her erotic behavior. But 219 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: reality Steve has posted a photo of what claims the 220 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: which somebody is claiming that this photo is of Dakota's phone, 221 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: and we can also say that these photos situation like 222 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: this could be easily doctored. But it's supposedly his roommate 223 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: that sent the picture to him, and the photo shows 224 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: that Taylor in January called Dakota one hundred and fifty 225 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: times in ninety minutes. The photo apparently has been verified 226 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: and shows that even after she has completed filming, she 227 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: still couldn't get over Dakota and maybe will never be. So, yeah, 228 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: there's obviously some sort of continued relationship with Dakota. I 229 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: mean they're spending supposed elliged nights over at each other's 230 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: house and having these kinds of fights. Can't imagine that 231 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: she's in any sort of relationship more healthy one with anyone. 232 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 3: Well, maybe we should address then, the fact that as 233 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 3: all this was breaking yesterday, Taylor opted to post a 234 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: video on her TikTok of her and the text I'll 235 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 3: read it says, I can't hear you. 236 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 4: I'm kind of. 237 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: Busy and yeah, so it's the Gaga sage, the gagassa. 238 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 3: And then a man's arm comes into the shot and 239 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 3: kind of like pushes. 240 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 4: Her out of the way. 241 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: Interesting choice to put on this day, making it very 242 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 3: light and fluffy. A lot of people in the comments 243 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 3: are speculating we're going to do a spoiler right here. 244 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 3: If you're still interested in watching the season and don't 245 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 3: want to be spoiled, don't listen to this. People are 246 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 3: speculating it's Doug from her season that you know, and 247 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 3: we don't know right, it's just an arm. I saw 248 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 3: another comment thinking it was maybe Harry Jowsey, who makes 249 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 3: an appearance on season four. What did you think of 250 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: that TikTok. 251 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, first, I think it could be any man's arm. 252 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: She's trying to make a statement that she's with someone 253 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: and not with Dakota. She's trying to say, I'm too 254 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: busy Dakota to be answering your phone. Yeah. I don't 255 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: know whether or not this was a ploy to distract. 256 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: If this was her trying to be like, oh, like 257 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: all this hearsay that you're hearing like not paying attention 258 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: to it, or if this was some sort of idea 259 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: on Bachelorette end to kind of like, I do not 260 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: think it was on the Bachelorette. You don't think that 261 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: the Bachelor had anything that they didn't. You don't think 262 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: that they said like, hey, Taylor, why don't you post 263 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: something that shows that you're in a relationship and you like, 264 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: don't give a crap about what's going on with this 265 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: Dakota world. No. 266 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 3: I think that anything that hints and spoils the end 267 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 3: they get upset at. I mean, let's not forget Caitlin 268 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 3: Bristow spoiling her own season. I think that that was 269 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 3: her doing something being sassy and being fun. But I 270 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 3: do not think that that was an advisory from the 271 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: show to post that. 272 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: Okay, so do you think that that is her trying 273 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: to say I do end up with someone and I 274 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: don't care about Dakota possibly and I also think that 275 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: possibly she's responding to Reality Steve, who's you know, literally 276 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: making fun of her, calling him one hundred and fifty 277 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: some odd times, and it's like she's like, oh, actually, 278 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm definitely too busy to be calling him that many times. 279 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 4: Yes, that sounds very Taylor. 280 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like a response to Reality Steve and 281 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: not to any allegation. 282 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 4: Yes. 283 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 3: I also want to say that in these reports from TMZ, 284 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 3: it does say that Taylor and Dakota have actually not 285 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 3: spoken to one another in three weeks since this situation 286 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 3: went down. 287 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: So that's probably the timeline in which if he's allegedly 288 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: calling child Protective Services, he would probably have been doing 289 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: it in the past three weeks, because I don't think 290 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: he's going to do it if he's continuing to hang 291 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: out with the mom. 292 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 3: Also, I think it's important to note, right like, I'm 293 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 3: not a lawyer, I'm not a police officer, neither is Ashley. 294 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:53,239 Speaker 3: But when somebody has a prior on their record, I 295 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 3: don't think that those people, whether they're on TV or not, 296 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 3: just get like kind. 297 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 4: Of a pass. 298 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 3: So I do want to just note that, you know, 299 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 3: Taylor does have a record, and I think that that 300 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: kind of stuff gets taken seriously. So again, we don't 301 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 3: know the validity of if Child Prospective Services has been called, 302 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 3: how many times they've been called, if they've investigated her 303 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 3: at all, We don't know that. But I would hope 304 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 3: that somebody with a prior on their record would not 305 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 3: just be getting overlooked because they're on TV. I don't 306 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,959 Speaker 3: think that that's how law enforcement and CPS works. 307 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the true. So let's also talk about one 308 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: of my favorites, my favorite Bachelor lam Sidney Warner. She 309 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: was on Peter's season, and she just posted her thoughts 310 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: about like one of the last episodes of season four 311 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: of Secret Lives in which you see Taylor heading to 312 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: the airport to go film Bachelorette the night after she 313 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: sleeps with Dakota, and she's like, this is not who 314 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: I want as a bachelor, Basically this woman who obviously 315 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: is not over her ex. So this is what Sidney wrote. 316 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: She goes, this is so upsetting I am a result 317 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: of being on The Bachelor, I owe a lot to 318 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: that franchise, and The Bachelor is one of the most 319 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: iconic shows of all time and was so highly respected 320 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: because they held contestants is such a standard. It was 321 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: such an honor to be cast, let alone be cast 322 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: as the lead. That's life changing. To watch this episode, 323 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: which you can see and which you know. Heather and 324 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: I were saying that it's probably worth watching if you're 325 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: gonna watch the season. So to watch this and to 326 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: see this soon to be lead completely disrespect that stage 327 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: that she's been given. The men who put their entire 328 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: lives on hold to come and meet her is horrible. 329 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: What has happened to morals and values? 330 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 3: She goes on to call the series a dying franchise. Yeah, 331 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: and why not let the show die out with class 332 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 3: and dignity and not stoop down and claw and scrape 333 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 3: just to get views. She added, I feel so bad 334 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 3: for those guys. Seriously, this is hard to watch someone 335 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 3: completely not care about something so prestigious that so many 336 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 3: girls would do anything to be given. 337 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 4: What is going on? 338 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: That's such a good point. That's actually such a good point. 339 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: She was stunt casted to get views and it I 340 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: think is was gonna work, and they took a huge 341 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: risk choosing somebody that had a past, and I just 342 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: can't believe. I can't believe she'd let it happen again. 343 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: You know, that's like a whole other thing. Yeah, there's 344 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other girls that were more deserving 345 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: and more ready for this role. But for her to 346 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: like be in the position that she's in about for 347 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: her show to premiere and she behaves like this, like 348 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: this girl is like completely reckless. I what do you 349 00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: think about that? Like? How do you not? 350 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 4: I think that the writing was on the wall with 351 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 4: this one. 352 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 3: I just think that, you know, as people would say, 353 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 3: a leopard doesn't change its spots. I think that Taylor 354 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 3: has always shown this kind of behavior, and it's actually 355 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 3: less surprising to me, And I'm more shocked that they 356 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 3: opted not to air her season right away. I felt 357 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 3: like when we heard that filming was happening and wrapping 358 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 3: at the very end of twenty twenty five and wasn't 359 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 3: airing until March, I think a lot of us thought, well, WHOA, 360 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 3: what relationship is going to be together at that point 361 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 3: from this show? You know, especially when we know that 362 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 3: they are not allowed to see each other or canudle 363 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 3: in public, Like that's difficult for any relationship, But imagine 364 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: being on a TV show and having to hold all that. 365 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 3: So I think that the huge mistake was not airing 366 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 3: the season right away. 367 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: That was the only chance to have a clean ending, 368 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: is what you're saying, one hundred percent. 369 00:21:53,600 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 3: And it also the idle hands and just like I 370 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 3: just don't think that Taylor Frankie Paul was ever going 371 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 3: to be put in the box that the Bachelorette is 372 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 3: put in, right, It's. 373 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 4: Just not who she is. 374 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 3: And again, when you take somebody who's not in the franchise, 375 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 3: I'm going to refer to mel Owens for this same reason. 376 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 3: You take somebody that's not from the franchise and they 377 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 3: are not familiar with the world and they are going 378 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 3: to do things in their own way. I think that 379 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 3: mel Owens went into that podcast and didn't loop into 380 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 3: the PR from the show, which is what he's supposed 381 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 3: to do and follow the rules, and that's what ended 382 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 3: up happening. I think that the PR team thought that 383 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 3: that interview wasn't going to have legs and it was 384 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 3: going to go bye bye, and it did not. It 385 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 3: grew and grew and grew. I think we're experiencing a 386 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 3: similar situation on this side, but obviously much more grand 387 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: because it involves domestic violence and allegedly a child being present. 388 00:22:54,960 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 3: So I think that you can't predict what's going to happen. 389 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 3: Nobody's got a crystal ball, but I think that with 390 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 3: somebody like her, they should have been ready for nine 391 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 3: different kinds of curveballs. And I've worked on television shows 392 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 3: where I've had to deal with talent in personal relationships 393 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 3: that are volatile, and I've had to do daily check ins. 394 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 3: I've had to call numerous times. I've had to help 395 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 3: separate people and talk to them and bring them down 396 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 3: from getting aggressive. I have been in these kinds of 397 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 3: situations on television shows with people, and it is very 398 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 3: tricky to handle because at the end of the day, 399 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 3: we all want to make a television show, but also 400 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 3: we are human beings and we don't want to put 401 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 3: people at risk and do things that can go south 402 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 3: when you're not around, which kind of does freak me 403 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 3: out that, like, it's getting allegedly violent between these two 404 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 3: when there's not cameras around. This is a bad sign. 405 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 3: And I think as produced and as a network, you 406 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,239 Speaker 3: do have to start to make some moral decisions. Do 407 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 3: you care more about making money or do you care 408 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 3: that this has signs that this relationship could go maybe 409 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: one step too far and somebody could get really, really hurt, 410 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 3: and then you're going to have that on your conscience. 411 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 3: So what I think should happen and don't know what's 412 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 3: going to happen, or I tell me what I think 413 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 3: should happen, is I think that Taylor Frankie Paul needs 414 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 3: to get in front of this and do a sit 415 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 3: down interview asap, and she needs to talk about the situation, 416 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 3: and she needs to be open and honest. 417 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 4: She needs to address what. 418 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 3: She had in the realm of this conversation and why 419 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 3: it went a specific way, and she needs to take accountability. 420 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 3: She then needs to check into some sort of rehab facility, 421 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 3: she needs to go to an anger management course, and 422 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 3: she actually needs to step away from cameras. This is 423 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 3: going to then allow the Secret Lives and Mormon Wives 424 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 3: to continue filming. They are going to then be able 425 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 3: to talk about what's happening, but she's not going to 426 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 3: be present for it. Dakota needs to be removed from 427 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 3: the show because he is only connected to Taylor, and 428 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: if Taylor is not filming, he has no need to 429 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 3: be there. So he will then be removed. And then 430 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 3: I think if Taylor comes back out of a rehab 431 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 3: facility and feels like she's actually made strides and changes, 432 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 3: then the women are it's up to them to welcome 433 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 3: her back into the cast. If they choose not to, 434 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 3: then she needs to go and do her own thing 435 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 3: for a little bit. But that's how I kind of 436 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 3: see it playing out. I will say, we do have 437 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: insider knowledge that Taylor has hired a crisis PR person, 438 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 3: which I feel like is a little too late. But again, 439 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 3: I think that she will be addressing this and making 440 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,959 Speaker 3: some sort of comment or doing some sort of interview 441 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 3: prior to her season airing on Sunday, and. 442 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: I think that'll probably be with Alex Cooper. 443 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 3: You think Alex Cooper, I think somebody a little bit more. 444 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: Prestigious, somebody like on like ABC. 445 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 3: News, GMA or something, And I think a female reporter, 446 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 3: And I think a sit down interview, because Alex Cooper. 447 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: Is not She's too silicious herself. 448 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 3: Not only that she's just this is over her head, 449 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 3: she is also she is just not cut out interview 450 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 3: style wise to ask the kind of in depth questions 451 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 3: that needs to be done with sensitivity involving alleged domestic violence. 452 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 3: So this has to be done with a serious journalist 453 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 3: in my opinion. 454 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: Okay, well I would think so too. I was just like, 455 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: oh my god, or they should have tried to promote 456 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: another show while they're at it. No, no, okay, what 457 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: do you think that they do with this season? Like 458 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: you think that like she as the interview before this 459 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: season and that is just going to it's going to 460 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: be like going to just go on awkwardly, which I agree, 461 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: that's probably what's going to. I don't think they're going 462 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: to pull it. Didn't we get a report that they're 463 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: not going to pull it. 464 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 3: As of now, we have heard from sources that it 465 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 3: is not getting pulled. It is airing again. It's Tuesday. 466 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 3: When we're saying this, I will say that, right, we 467 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 3: don't have the mentell all taped, and we don't have 468 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 3: the finale tape, so that is their opportunity then to 469 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: you know, get all of the reaction and everything and 470 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 3: what's going on. I also want to point out that 471 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 3: I don't think that the reunion for season four of 472 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 3: Secret Lives and Mormon Wives has been filmed to my knowledge, 473 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 3: So that's another opportunity to kind of clear the air 474 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 3: have that conversation now again, if I were Taylor's crisis 475 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 3: PR person, I'd be making this interview prior to Sunday, 476 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 3: and then I'd literally be stepping away. I would step 477 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 3: away imediately to go to some sort of rehab facility 478 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 3: for anger management and you know, and working on that, 479 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 3: meaning no tweeting, no tiktoking, no any promotion of the 480 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 3: season as it starts to air, and if she's let's say, 481 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 3: gone away for thirty days, then she's back out before 482 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 3: the finale heirs or is taped. 483 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: Well, Heather, I'm just so glad to have you on 484 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: this podcast because you are so knowledgeable about these behind 485 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: the scenes things. I love hearing the feedback. It's so great. Yeah, 486 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have no I would have no idea how 487 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: to handle this. I do feel like you've got a 488 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: great PR brain. 489 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 4: Well, I will say that. 490 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 3: We're all rooting for people like Taylor and Dakota to 491 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 3: get the help that they need. At the end of 492 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 3: the day, we're all consumers of television and we love 493 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 3: to watch TV, but we are human beings and I 494 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: think that we've been watching a slow moving car crash 495 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 3: for a little bit, and now we're just a little 496 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 3: too close to the action, and they need to step 497 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 3: in and they need to make some human decisions. And 498 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 3: the human decision is that these two people need help 499 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 3: and they need to be separated. And at the end 500 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 3: of the day, they're parents, and the children come first 501 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 3: and need to be in a safe environment. And I 502 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 3: think that this starts to really reflect poorly on production 503 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 3: and the network if they continue to put these Ballattle 504 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 3: people together for the sake of filming a television show. 505 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so I think that they are I think that 506 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: they're going to see each other either way. I feel 507 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: like you think that too. I don't think they're being 508 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: put together because of reality show. I think that these 509 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: two have this crazy toxic relationship and because they share 510 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: a sun, they can't ever really not be in each 511 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: other's lives to certainly, of. 512 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 4: Course, but I think that it doesn't happen. 513 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 3: What we've seen, right with Taylor not involving her ex 514 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 3: husband in filming or her children from that previous relationship, 515 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 3: leads me to believe that she is capable of having 516 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 3: a healthy co parenting relationship. We have never heard her 517 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 3: ex husband say anything about her, and he was involved 518 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 3: in a frickin' swinging scandal with her. Okay, so we 519 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 3: have not heard him come out against her or them 520 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 3: seem to have something. Could they have something behind the scenes? 521 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 3: Obviously we don't know. He's not involved in the show, 522 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 3: but it leads me to believe that she's capable of that. 523 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just don't think she's capable of that 524 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: with the code. 525 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 3: I think she could be if she wasn't constantly having 526 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 3: to be and do things on camera. That's the other 527 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: thing is like she's constantly having to be forced to 528 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,719 Speaker 3: be around him, whereas I think like if they were 529 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 3: seeing each other and doing kid drop off or doing 530 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 3: things like that, I think she would be integrated less 531 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 3: into his life because also her cast members keep finding 532 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 3: out stuff about him and then telling her and that 533 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 3: if he wasn't involved in her circle, that would happen less. 534 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 3: And obviously, if anybody hasn't caught up season four, the 535 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: big drama is this thing happening with Shanayah, who happens 536 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 3: to be a friend of Taylor's that he starts hooking 537 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 3: up with and she loses it. She gets very upset 538 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 3: and Taylor's first reaction, unfortunately, was a thing I think 539 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 3: she needs help with, is she immediately goes to degrading 540 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 3: the woman in the situation, not degrading Dakota. It's really 541 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: really sad to watch. And we've also seen her this 542 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 3: season be really open about her birth father, who she 543 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 3: didn't have a relationship with, who has now passed on. 544 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 4: But he was an addict, he was. 545 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 3: Abusive, and it's really unfortunate that we're seeing this kind 546 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 3: of cycle repeat itself that her mom and her father 547 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 3: went through with her is now really rearing its head 548 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 3: and showing itself and her her and her relationship with Dakota. 549 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 3: So it's it's sad and I feel and I'm not 550 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 3: negating that violence is not the answer, and I'm not 551 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 3: condoning anything that either of them have allegedly done to 552 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 3: one another, but I think this is a huge cry 553 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 3: for help, and at this point, the network has a 554 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 3: responsibility to not continue to put them in an environment 555 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 3: where they're getting paid and they're getting paid to have conflict. 556 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, so well put all right, Well, you're going to 557 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: be back with Ben later. If we have any updates. 558 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 4: I feel like we will feel like we I. 559 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: Feel we will alrighty well, thank you for all of 560 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: your insight and guys, you know, let us know on 561 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: our Instagram the comments and r dms about what you 562 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: think about this situation and like how it should be handled. 563 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the situation is awful, is awful, but yeah, 564 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: how you think that the network should handle it and 565 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: how the two of them should handle it? All right, 566 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: we love you so much. Until the next time, which 567 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: will be very soon. I've been Ashley, I've been Heather. 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