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Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody.

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Speaker 2: It is Sunday, April twelfth, and fifty eight year old

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Speaker 2: Brian Hooker, the man who has been arrested in connection

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Speaker 2: with the disappearance of his wife, Lynette in the Bahamas,

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Speaker 2: will be helped by Bahamian officials until seven twenty pm

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Speaker 2: tomorrow on Monday.

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Speaker 1: He must be charged.

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Speaker 2: By then or he will be released and without everyone,

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Speaker 2: welcome to this edition of Amy and TJ. We have

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Speaker 2: learned from his attorney that Brian Hooker was interrogated for

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Speaker 2: more than three hours on Friday, and his attorney believes

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Speaker 2: at this point it is very likely that police will

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Speaker 2: ultimately charge him with murder or something close to that effect,

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Speaker 2: something in connection with his wife's disappearance before that deadline.

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Speaker 3: Is he using the word likely?

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Speaker 2: Yes, this attorney's using the word likely likely facing murder charges.

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Speaker 3: Any what else we knew? This is what was happening.

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Speaker 3: We'll wait and I guess the clock is ticking. We'll

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Speaker 3: find out this woman's been missing for a week now,

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Speaker 3: So I guess we're going to find out tomorrow which

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Speaker 3: way they're going to go. I guess it doesn't preclude

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Speaker 3: them from bringing charges later. Even if he's let go so,

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Speaker 3: but still it's an important date.

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Speaker 2: It is a huge date, and certainly all eyes have

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Speaker 2: been on this investigation, and it's different. They obviously do

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Speaker 2: things differently in the Bahamas because you wouldn't typically see

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Speaker 2: or hear someone's defense attorney talk to press the way

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Speaker 2: this guy's doing it. Like he gave us a lot

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Speaker 2: of information about what the police were asking his client,

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Speaker 2: how his client answered those questions. It's a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a head scratcher. I can't imagine that would happen

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Speaker 2: here in the United States.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a matter of me. He's defending this the

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Speaker 3: only way he know how because his client right now

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Speaker 3: the rest of the world, which is in the press

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Speaker 3: because it all looks bad. So that is where he

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Speaker 3: is I guess right now, holding trial is in the

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Speaker 3: trial of public opinion.

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Speaker 1: And that's a good point.

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Speaker 2: He is trying to work the press in that sense,

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Speaker 2: because yes, public opinion, as we know, has a huge

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Speaker 2: impact in a lot of ways, and sometimes it's even

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Speaker 2: influences what a DA decides to do, what a police

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Speaker 2: from Hooker's attorney, he said that his client was asked

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Speaker 2: specifically about the couple's relationship and their personal life. And

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Speaker 2: we know there is a lot of history between Brian

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Speaker 2: and when you listen to Lynette Hooker's own daughter, she

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Speaker 2: has said very often and repeatedly to many news outlets

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Speaker 2: that this couple had a history of well basically a

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Speaker 2: toxic relationship.

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Speaker 3: It does not they murder or make Still, that's just

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Speaker 3: a part of what's the public opinion. That's a part

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Speaker 3: of the trial this guy's going through right now, before

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Speaker 3: he's ever charged with anything. The entire everybody has an

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Speaker 3: opinion about what they think and what looks bad right now,

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Speaker 3: no matter what their relationship was in the past, and

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Speaker 3: But no matter what their relationship was in the past,

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Speaker 3: it's no evidence of him doing something wrong here. But yes,

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Speaker 3: it will be a part of any investigation.

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Speaker 2: And we heard yes from his attorney that policeius asked

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Speaker 2: but specifically asked him questions. And this is a quote

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Speaker 2: from the attorney in relation to causing harm which resulted

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Speaker 2: you some of the quotes from the attorney about how.

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Speaker 1: His client answered those questions.

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Speaker 2: He kept reiterating that I need to know what's happening.

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Speaker 1: What is happening with the search of his wife.

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Speaker 2: He was uncertain as to why they were questioning him

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Speaker 1: But they have not recovered her body.

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Speaker 2: And so is this the possible police ploy to kind

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Speaker 3: Circumstantial as Helle, I've seen it a lot lately, But

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Speaker 3: there can be enough circumstantial evidence. What are there witnesses

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Speaker 3: and who knows. Does the boat contain some evidence of

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Speaker 2: And police have not given any indication that they have

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Speaker 2: led to her falling out of that boat. But his

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Speaker 2: attorney said, when it comes to Behaming in law, and

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Speaker 2: this is much like the United States, that authorities have

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Speaker 2: to establish intent and the active murder to justify any charge.

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Speaker 2: That's where it seems like obviously if they had that

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Speaker 2: arrested him on Wednesday, I believe according to Behaming in Law,

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Speaker 2: they had forty eight hours to charge him, but if

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Speaker 2: that evidence they need to charge him. Forget about even

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Speaker 2: going to court. They just needed to actually charge him.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I might not get there both. This is a

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Speaker 3: no matter what this is, still this is an innocent

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Speaker 3: guy who ooh. No matter how many true crime shows

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Speaker 3: The reason there's a question is because hmmm, that sounds suspicious.

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Speaker 3: But then the woman's own daughter is talking about she

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Speaker 3: talking about he is the one who's suspicious, So they

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Speaker 3: will make you listen. It doesn't mean they're right. It

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean he's guilty of anything. But this is one

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Speaker 2: It's a media fascination and there's a legal fascination as well,

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Speaker 2: I think on the other side of this, because yes,

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Speaker 2: Brian Hooker would never do this to his wife.

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Speaker 1: He loved his wife.

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Speaker 2: Yes they might have fought, Yes they might have had

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Speaker 1: Was a couple who deeply loved each other. He would

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Speaker 2: Have you heard anyone come to Brian Hooker's defense, or

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Speaker 2: at least just in defense of his character at this point.

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Speaker 3: His attorney hasn't even done that, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: so and again he could be. It doesn't soften at

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Speaker 3: least as we're learning about this couple. Nothing that has

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Speaker 3: none of those facts condemned this man or prove any crime.

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Speaker 3: But ropes, they just add up to things that don't

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Speaker 3: when she went overboard. The key always stays in the

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Speaker 2: And so to hear his friend say what he felt

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Speaker 2: This is a woman who knew boats, who knew how

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Speaker 1: Survive in aquatic location.

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Speaker 2: So she might have had the sense in that moment

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Speaker 3: I didn't think about that. Oh yeah, by the way,

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Speaker 2: And so the only way that makes sense is if

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Speaker 1: So if it is.

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Speaker 3: None of these things a guilty man makes. But they

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Speaker 3: then you pay attention, You listen, and I guess tomorrow

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: But when we come back, we're going to tell you

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Speaker 2: we mentioned that we haven't heard someone come out and

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Speaker 2: vehemently stand by Brian Hooker or say this is a

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Speaker 2: guy who would never do this. But what we do

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Speaker 2: have if you've been following this case closely, some of

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Speaker 2: his friends posted recordings of a phone call they said

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Speaker 2: We'll tell you what they claim Brian Hooker said about

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Speaker 2: what happened that night. Welcome back, everyone to this episode

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Speaker 2: of Amy and TJ, where we continue to follow the

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Speaker 2: latest developments on the investigation into fifty eight year old

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Speaker 2: Brian Hooker. He is being held in connection with his

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Speaker 2: wife's disappearance, fifty five year old Lynnette. She, according to him,

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Speaker 2: fell off a dinghy near sunset as they were making

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Speaker 1: They are both.

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Speaker 2: Skilled on the waters, skilled in boating, and she was

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Speaker 2: police are now and have just interrogated Brian Hooker for

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Speaker 2: more than three hours, according to his attorney, but they

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Speaker 2: or he will be let go.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Friends of Brian posted to YouTube a phone call they

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Speaker 2: you hear the man who they say is Brian Hooker

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Speaker 2: She basically just bounce off the dinghy amid winds around

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Speaker 1: He said, we weren't wearing life jackets. It was sundown.

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Speaker 2: The sun set basically ten minutes after she fell over,

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Speaker 2: and that's questionable because if it was still light, it's

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Speaker 2: there are so many questions. If he could paddle to shore,

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Speaker 3: Hey that the argument is that they got separated, right

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Speaker 3: the current carried her off some direction. That is his story,

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Speaker 2: So he said, the winds blew us apart so fast.

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Speaker 2: I think she tried to swim back to the sailboat.

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Speaker 2: So he did also say that same story to his

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Speaker 2: friends back to our sailboat, which was probably a thousand

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Speaker 2: the day, and we're taking the dinghy back to their sailboat.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize they were so close to their sailboat.

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Speaker 2: But again, why would she swim towards the sailboat versus

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Speaker 3: Wait, he's saying.

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Speaker 2: What In the voicemail, he says, I think she tried

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Speaker 1: I think, which.

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Speaker 2: Was probably I don't know, one thousand yards away or something.

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Speaker 1: But the waves were three foot.

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Speaker 3: I think he said, yep, I think. So that's what

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Speaker 3: he thought. Where did he go? Didn't he go back

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Speaker 1: He did? Why would he not have gone back to it?

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Speaker 3: If you're thinking she isn't that the closer place to

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Speaker 3: say this is why it's No, This doesn't make it.

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Speaker 2: He said that there was a cascade of failures and

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Speaker 2: it's something I'm never going to forgive myself for.

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Speaker 1: He said.

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Speaker 2: One of the failures was that one of his oars broke.

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Speaker 2: He had anchoring issues and had no flares, So he's

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Speaker 2: saying he didn't have any of the tools that would

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Speaker 2: In those ten minutes, you couldn't see whether or not

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Speaker 1: Nothing, he says, makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Three foot Waight, now a three foot wave. I'm trying

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Speaker 3: If a wave he said three feet, he didn't say thirty.

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Speaker 1: He's three three foot waves.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Look, this is making less and less sense, and

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Speaker 3: a cascade of failures ropes. All those things just happened

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Speaker 3: many coincidences.

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Speaker 2: It's like everything had to go wrong, and we're talking multiple,

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Speaker 2: multiple things had to be wrong for his story to add.

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Speaker 3: Up one hundred one thousand feet distance. Then we'll meet

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Speaker 3: no matter what. I'm not taking that away, but Rodes,

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Speaker 3: what we're talking about doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: He claims he had an anchor failure. Why is he

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Speaker 3: What okay, look, I don't pretend and to understand all this,

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Speaker 3: all master boaters, seamen. Fine, but common sense. We've been

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Speaker 3: it what it is. This was a small raft type situation.

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Speaker 3: She didn't fall overboard from some big yacht. You're right

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Speaker 3: You're so far away I can't even see you, is

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Speaker 3: what he is arguing. He's not saying he took his back,

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Speaker 3: was turned and he didn't realize she'd going overboard. That

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Speaker 2: And this is why he was interrogated for more than

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Speaker 1: It is the reason why he is under arrest.

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Speaker 2: And we shall see if police can put enough things

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Speaker 2: which again his lawyer is saying is likely to happen tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: This is a fascinating story. Apparently, according to his attorney,

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Speaker 2: if and when police do end up charging him with murder.

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Speaker 3: I want to leave room robes, Yes, I want to

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Speaker 3: leave for this being a completely innocent guy and this

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Speaker 3: is an awful, awful thing that happened to him. But

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Speaker 3: it's okay. At the same time, Look, he's he's in custody.

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Speaker 3: It's not us questioning his story, it's authorities doing so.

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Speaker 2: That is correct, and we will continue to follow any

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Speaker 2: new developments, but there were several over the past couple

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Speaker 2: of days we wanted to catch you up on before

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Speaker 2: this deadline approaches tomorrow Monday, seven twenty pm Eastern time.

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Speaker 2: And with that, everyone, thank you so much for listening

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Speaker 2: to us. We always appreciate you. I'm Amy Roebuck alongside TJ. Holmes.

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Speaker 1: We will talk to you soon.