Speaker 1: Let's talk about important housewives.
Speaker 2: Okay, important slash iconic.
Speaker 1: Define important like meaning we'll go down in housewives history.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean would be the best at the All Star
Speaker 1: trip or your favorite, but we'll go down And it's
Speaker 1: kind of a cousin of my rush More or No.
Speaker 3: I think important iconic is good, Yeah, because it's like
Speaker 3: you don't want to have like a drink with the
Speaker 3: person necessarily or ever see them back on television even
Speaker 3: but they were important.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so the ten most important?
Speaker 4: Go okay, but can we just put you on like
Speaker 4: number eleven so that we don't like, Bethany needs a
Speaker 4: part of this, but we want to all vote, so
Speaker 4: we're gonna put you automatically in.
Speaker 5: You're the honorary doctorate of the top ten.
Speaker 1: So then we're doing nine.
Speaker 5: Okay, we'll don't you nine?
Speaker 2: Do not number one, Bethany?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Bethany's on there. Okay, Oh I get to be
Speaker 5: number one all the reasons. Yeah, you're number one.
Speaker 1: Yes, we would you say that if I wasn't in
Speaker 1: the room.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I think I actually genuinely think I would
Speaker 3: would too. I don't know if I would put you see,
Speaker 3: there's two categories to me too, where there's like there's you.
Speaker 3: But then I would also say I hate admitting this Ramona.
Speaker 2: She is so insane.
Speaker 1: Iconic that she's she's she's imprinted in the fabric. I understand.
Speaker 4: Okay, So, but like what you have got, what you
Speaker 4: have changed in the housewife zeitgeist, and what you have
Speaker 4: built with the Bethany clause, with your businesses, with your
Speaker 4: charity work, like you're very important, you're number one important,
Speaker 4: but you're not quite crazy enough.
Speaker 3: Also, and your confessionals achieved something that I don't know
Speaker 3: if I can name another housewife where you always know
Speaker 3: the temperature in the room, but you always have something
Speaker 3: very very funny to say. The commentary is like no
Speaker 3: one else's because you're smart, but you're also not afraid
Speaker 3: to speak your mind. So I think you have the
Speaker 3: best confessionals, maybe of all housewives ever.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's because I never was fed any lines. They
Speaker 1: have prepared things and they just tell people what to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can kind of tell when people are
Speaker 2: doing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, when there's a big line and they're
Speaker 1: excited they've just landed it. I've never yeah, I've never
Speaker 1: done it. Okay, so that's the interview. That's a separate box.
Speaker 1: So now, who's are we doing in an order of importance?
Speaker 1: Or you're trying to just get some people on the
Speaker 1: board and then we'll shuffle later.
Speaker 2: We let's get them on the board.
Speaker 1: Okay, So next you all did me so, so we're
Speaker 1: going to go in circles about Ramona. Okay, so Ramona
Speaker 1: is definitely all agree she should be on top ten
Speaker 1: of all time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jack doesn't know many housewives, so show you know
Speaker 4: you can fill and we need Jack. I know I'm biased,
Speaker 4: but I do think Vicky was like an og wasn't she?
Speaker 1: Yes? And I think she's an iconic housewife.
Speaker 2: I think and w could do it all.
Speaker 5: So okay, no, you're like Vicky Meani? Yes, Meani was
Speaker 5: going to be on my list.
Speaker 4: And I think Nini was someone that before you knew
Speaker 4: what housewives even were, you knew who Nini was.
Speaker 5: I agree, you know, she she.
Speaker 4: Really took over pop culture in a way that so
Speaker 4: many people wish they could, but as a reality TV star,
Speaker 4: not even as like a star proper because she was
Speaker 4: a housewife when it was still like oh reality stars.
Speaker 4: Now variety is having their women top women in reality.
Speaker 5: Lunch like you're going to the Oscars.
Speaker 4: At the time, it was still like, oh, you're the
Speaker 4: shit meat of Hollywood. The reality stars oo gross, and
Speaker 4: like over here is Jennifer Lawrence, who we actually loved,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the variety thing, they're still putting them in
Speaker 1: a separate ship bucket. They're not putting them in the
Speaker 1: regular power world. They're still in that side waist bucket
Speaker 1: so they can get the advertiser and the clickbase they.
Speaker 5: Won't and probably more clares we're not.
Speaker 1: Going to tarnish, you know, Kristin Wig with Tamera barn
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like our Tamera Judge. So
Speaker 1: there's still in like a separate bucket. When you get
Speaker 1: out of that bucket and you get into the mainstream,
Speaker 1: when you can be on a list with j Low
Speaker 1: for something, or then you've you know what I mean. So, yes, though,
Speaker 1: but there was not even a separate ship bucket back then.
Speaker 1: So to your point, now there's a separate bucket, Okay, Teresa.
Speaker 1: How could Teresa not be on there as iconic and important?
Speaker 2: You know, I agree, but I think she stayed too long.
Speaker 1: That's a great point because she didn't go out with
Speaker 1: a bang.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: That's a money thing, and that's what happens people who
Speaker 1: want to stay. They can't leave the fame, they can't
Speaker 1: leave the money. And there was a big powerful man
Speaker 1: in Hollywood who told me years ago when I called
Speaker 1: him for four seasons into my second stint, and I said,
Speaker 1: I just I don't want to be here. Am I
Speaker 1: supposed to be?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Should I be leaving this? Do I want to go?
Speaker 1: And he was like, because it was so much money
Speaker 1: I was making, And he said, there's going to be
Speaker 1: a time when people are like, why is she still
Speaker 1: hanging out with those people? Why she's still there doing this?
Speaker 1: So you're saying that about Teresa, not that she's better
Speaker 1: than anyone, but that like, at least Nini went out
Speaker 1: like being Nini.
Speaker 3: Yes, I feel like if Sonya had left the season
Speaker 3: before her last season, I think it would have been
Speaker 3: better rush sure, because I think, yeah, she was so
Speaker 3: charming and eccentric and all these things, but then it
Speaker 3: like got into this like sad, same old thing again,
Speaker 3: no evolution of a person. I just I didn't want
Speaker 3: to keep seeing it, even though she's on the list.
Speaker 1: So the Townhouse you. I know what you're saying, and
Speaker 1: it's her hash and a rehash. You come in like
Speaker 1: a beautiful piece of like white meat chicken, and then
Speaker 1: you're like ground up and made into meatballs and like
Speaker 1: then made into the chicken bowlonnaise, and you're like you
Speaker 1: just you wanted to leave a little on the table.
Speaker 1: People never know when to leave the party. So we're
Speaker 1: putting Teresa on the sidebox because I think I'm going
Speaker 1: to make a rule that we all have to unanimously
Speaker 1: agree that someone has to be on the top ten important.
Speaker 3: Okay, I agree with Teresa. I mean I agree with Teresa.
Speaker 3: I No, she is iconic and she is important.
Speaker 4: I just agree, like I'm Teresa out, Like we've been
Speaker 4: through so much with Teresa and now it's like I
Speaker 4: think this week she was on the stairs in New York,
Speaker 4: like launching a family she In collection, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm not It's like I've been to jail with you.
Speaker 4: I've been to your book launch, Like I've just been
Speaker 4: to too many things to I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just so you don't find her important or iconic.
Speaker 5: No, I find her both.
Speaker 4: But like I'd rather not talk like I'm like, I'm
Speaker 4: bored of her with old I'm done with her.
Speaker 5: But she needs to be on the list. She deserves
Speaker 5: a place the list.
Speaker 1: So we'll put her on for now. Ok Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I okay, I think she should be on. So who
Speaker 1: else needs to be on? We're talking top iconic of all.
Speaker 4: Well, Heather Debro has to be on because of just
Speaker 4: well oh no, no one agrees.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I mean I like either. Personally, I wouldn't. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put her on this list just me personally
Speaker 1: she's a little too normal, like she's a little too control.
Speaker 2: Maybe yes, yes, yes, that's a good word.
Speaker 4: I just think the opulence of it all is fascinating
Speaker 4: and like there's something iconic about like the fucking wall
Speaker 4: in the house being like, oh my.
Speaker 6: God, this each one of these birds was crafted for
Speaker 6: the gate of each one of my children, Like there's
Speaker 6: something so like no one else in Housewives is like
Speaker 6: being that ridiculous with their artwork, you know, No.
Speaker 1: I'm not that to me. Isn't the person themselves? Nine
Speaker 1: could walk in there and have a cardboard box around
Speaker 1: her and entertain And so that's what I think it's about.
Speaker 3: Interesting I think Candace Potomac, Candace Dillard, of all I'm
Speaker 3: trying to think because of all Potomac cast to me,
Speaker 3: she's the most polarizing, the most hated, and the most beloved. Like,
Speaker 3: I think that she creates enough of a conversation and
Speaker 3: enough moments similarly to I don't even know how long
Speaker 3: she was on Atlanta, but Kim Zoleziak, She's just.
Speaker 1: Gonna say, Kim, I was just saying that she was.
Speaker 1: It was in my brain, it was coming to my
Speaker 1: tongue when you stopped. I found her to be an
Speaker 1: iconic housewife. Kim z Oleziak is like, you can't keep
Speaker 1: your eyes off of her.
Speaker 5: I think, party to the party.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm putting her on You can't like, how
Speaker 1: can you put respectfully to Heather, who I like, you
Speaker 1: can't put Heather on this list when Kim z Oleziak
Speaker 1: made it all that you can't. And frankly, I'm struggling
Speaker 1: in my mind with Eric and Jane because.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say that struggling.
Speaker 1: I'm struggling because, as I said to Michael Rappaport when
Speaker 1: I was doing my rush more, the bells and whistles
Speaker 1: and the frosting has always been there, but in the
Speaker 1: meat at the core I don't think has been there,
Speaker 1: So I can't I would even put Jill Zarren as
Speaker 1: an iconic important housewife. Ooh, okay, Crickets, Is Kenya or
Speaker 1: Portia or Candy on this list?
Speaker 5: Oh Candy is she?
Speaker 2: No, Candy's too normal.
Speaker 1: I don't think so either. Candy plays it too safe,
Speaker 1: that's what you're saying. Katy never played it safe. Teresa
Speaker 1: never played it safe. Vicky never played it safe. I
Speaker 1: think throwing it all out there and not being afraid
Speaker 1: of being disliked is very important because some people craft
Speaker 1: who they want you to see. They've learned how to
Speaker 1: play this game so well from being there so long.
Speaker 1: So I don't know that that is it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I need to go back to Erica for a second.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I think she's kind of cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she's pretty iconic. I kind of see
Speaker 1: her being.
Speaker 4: She Bethany transcended being a housewife in a completely different
Speaker 4: way than you.
Speaker 5: Not from a business sense, but in the showgirl sense.
Speaker 5: I agree, you know, where, like she.
Speaker 4: Wasn't making a tequila or a booze or a product,
Speaker 4: but the product was Erica, And I just keep watching
Speaker 4: her thinking, like, at some she's a lot like me,
Speaker 4: where she's so delusional about her own talent and importance
Speaker 4: that like I keep thinking she's going to wake up
Speaker 4: in one of these bars in West Hollywood and be like,
Speaker 4: why am I in Rhymestone UNITARDA, I'm not Madonna, but
Speaker 4: like she really believes she is. And now she's got
Speaker 4: a Vegas show and like that's amazing for her, and
Speaker 4: she's obviously people want to see her and she's doing great,
Speaker 4: but it's like it is so delusional.
Speaker 5: There is something iconic about the delusion of bed.
Speaker 1: You can't take your eyes off of her.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: But I think it's tired. I think it's already because
Speaker 3: she's still it was a one trick pony. You think, yes,
Speaker 3: it's it's a one trick pony. She's a one note.
Speaker 2: That's fair.
Speaker 3: I think Lisa vander Pump is. I think she's the
Speaker 3: perfect package of her life is ridiculous. That house is ridiculous,
Speaker 3: the dogs and Ken and then the businesses and just
Speaker 3: how manipulative and calculating she was for so long and
Speaker 3: we almost didn't catch Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's she checks the Heather Lavish Lama box.
Speaker 5: So that's true.
Speaker 1: So we are Erica is on a hold. She's on
Speaker 1: the right, okay, but she had an indelible impact on
Speaker 1: the way people dressed and took the glam game to
Speaker 1: another level. So if that's what the show is today,
Speaker 1: then that's important. That was never important to me because
Speaker 1: I always cared about the meat of the matter, like
Speaker 1: what's the entertainment, what are we really talking about? How
Speaker 1: we being real, how we connect and don't care about
Speaker 1: what we look like? Right, you know, there was an
Speaker 1: error with that all changed and she was right part
Speaker 1: of that era where a change. So I think we
Speaker 1: have to put it to the side for a moment.
Speaker 1: We have to discuss the Candy, the Porsche, the Kyle,
Speaker 1: We have to discuss all of these other characters.
Speaker 2: Kyle, I think Porsche.
Speaker 3: I think Porscha has really left it all on the
Speaker 3: floor every season and she really has been very authentic
Speaker 3: to who she is and she's had a major arc
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, evolution.
Speaker 4: And also there's just something about her, like even when
Speaker 4: I was at Bravocon, she does have a regalness. There's
Speaker 4: a royalty about her where it's like pure star power.
Speaker 1: She should be living in Dubai with like a bunch
Speaker 1: of dogs surrounding her, you know, more than America in
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 4: Right, like overdressed, over fabulous is the conviction of it all,
Speaker 4: Like I don't know, there's something about her.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree on the list. Who's on our list?
Speaker 5: How many we have?
Speaker 1: We only have Erica is in a holding pattern. We
Speaker 1: only have two left, but we could switch things out.
Speaker 1: We haven't discussed anyone from Miami, which I am fine with.
Speaker 1: I don't see anybody there that's like iconic to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't watched in a couple of seasons. I
Speaker 3: hear it's a really good city right now, but I
Speaker 3: haven't watched. And when I did watch, I was sort
Speaker 3: of like not get into it.
Speaker 4: And same with Dubai. I like dubay to, but not
Speaker 4: there's not an iconic I mean not in the way
Speaker 4: that not. They don't compare with others. They're not in
Speaker 4: the same pool.
Speaker 3: We need more oc I think like Tamra. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: do we think Tamra or.
Speaker 1: I always swat swap her and Vicky out because of
Speaker 1: the same like wuhu mentality part.
Speaker 5: Vicky takes Tamra's spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Rushmo too for the most part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what other like I mean an.
Speaker 5: What about Lisa Rinna?
Speaker 1: I don't know, she was a good housewife, but she's not.
Speaker 1: I don't think that she's like the most iconic important
Speaker 1: of being honest. I like, it doesn't mean like Denise Richards,
Speaker 1: I like a lot, doesn't mean she like goes down
Speaker 1: in history is an important housewife. And then doesn't Kyle
Speaker 1: have to be honest list or no, be honest.
Speaker 3: Kyle Richard's Yeah, no, Dirinda Derinda, you think for important
Speaker 3: iconic more so I think lu Anne if we talk
Speaker 3: about the evolution of a human in and someone, I
Speaker 3: mean she went from the freaking countess to the d
Speaker 3: ui to the like getting in a fight outside of
Speaker 3: a hotel room because she was obsessed with another, like
Speaker 3: with a guy she got really mess.
Speaker 1: She's kind of iconic, like in a Ramona way, but
Speaker 1: a cousin of Ramona in a different way. And she's
Speaker 1: still you know, believes her own myth. And it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that, like I said, we're going to be best friends,
Speaker 1: but like, I think you're giving Luanne Kyle's spot, And
Speaker 1: I okay, so Luanne gets that. So now I guess
Speaker 1: I'll read the after But I guess you're deciding if
Speaker 1: Erica stays in her spot, if you give it to Kyle,
Speaker 1: if you give it to somebody else, you give it
Speaker 1: to Candy, you give it to Kenya.
Speaker 5: You know, Ethany, I have to tell you something. I
Speaker 5: think I agree with Teresa.
Speaker 4: I think we have to move Teresa from the maybe
Speaker 4: on And the reason is she was the first housewife
Speaker 4: to do like a real jail time frauduling.
Speaker 1: Teresa's been on, she said, she hasn't been rased yet.
Speaker 3: Ya.
Speaker 1: I' let you play your little game. Okay, yeah, she's on.
Speaker 1: Just go in circles, you're going to come back here. Okay.
Speaker 1: But so now we've got one box that it's did
Speaker 1: Erica make the cut? And is it Erica?
Speaker 3: Is?
Speaker 5: Is it Kyle?
Speaker 1: It's not most A Gorga, like it's not anybody on.
Speaker 5: Who through the leg? Who through the leg?
Speaker 4: Just before My time a Viva, it was just a
Speaker 4: great iconic scene, but not an iconic housewife.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I think then I think that would be fair.
Speaker 2: Is there?
Speaker 3: So is do we put We're not going to put
Speaker 3: Gena Lions on. No, I mean, I'm an iconic housewife.
Speaker 3: I love her, but I don't think she's a great housewife.
Speaker 5: And you haven't been around long enough to be honest
Speaker 5: with you. We don't know after one season.
Speaker 1: No, Like you can't even put Kathy Hilton on.
Speaker 5: She I would say, did Drinda beyond?
Speaker 1: It's up to you. I I I Durinda is amazing
Speaker 1: and I love her. I don't know if she's as
Speaker 1: we're not important and iconic as Erica Erica, Eric's gotta go.
Speaker 1: She's like a shining ornament at the top of the
Speaker 1: in the middle of this tree. Because the whole show
Speaker 1: is about glam and pretense, and she was the arc
Speaker 1: for withere that really took it to twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: I just would have been like in the Denise Richards
Speaker 1: school of like glam, like the two of us sitting
Speaker 1: there in jeans and T shirts, being like we were
Speaker 1: makeup when we're paid. We don't want to do it here,
Speaker 1: you know. So, And Dorrie didn't make it on, but
Speaker 1: I don't think she can or should. She's got her
Speaker 1: own place in history. But not Yeah, like Dorrie and
Speaker 1: Dorrit and Tamar and Derinda and Sonya deserve like very
Speaker 1: honorable mention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very much.
Speaker 1: Their nominees, but they didn't win, right, and we're feeling
Speaker 1: good about Kim Zolzia and Kenya should be in that
Speaker 1: nominees but didn't win too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah right.
Speaker 4: I can't wait to see what the Lady Gang community
Speaker 4: and what your Bethany community thinks about this conversation.
Speaker 1: You can print it, I'll print it.
Speaker 4: I can't wait to see how many people hate us.
Speaker 1: Let me review. It's Bethany, Ramona, Vicky Nini, Kim Zolziak, Erica,
Speaker 1: Lisa Vander pomp, Luanne Porsche, Teresa notably absent is to me,
Speaker 1: Kyle Derinda were the ones we just said, tam Or
Speaker 1: there's Kyle's an excellent housewife, yes, but she might not
Speaker 1: be what your version of it. We're being totally honest,
Speaker 1: like important or iconic. But it takes a lot to
Speaker 1: be the Susan Lucci of the housewives and stay the
Speaker 1: whole time.
Speaker 3: It's a special awards, A specially think Sonya also deserves
Speaker 3: a nomination.
Speaker 1: I think she's she was an original season and sometimes
Speaker 1: people get penalized, and she hates that she wasn't first season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she made good moments.
Speaker 1: And you can't penalize someone for that. She made amazing moments.
Speaker 1: But wait, Kyle's never left since the day she got.
Speaker 4: There, Bethany, can we make like a Susan Lucci Lifetime
Speaker 4: Achievement Award or for Kyle Richards?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I cannot like be a special thing that we
Speaker 5: give O.
Speaker 1: Yes, the Susan Lucie Award goes to Kyle Richards. She's
Speaker 1: been on the longest, from the beginning, never missed.
Speaker 5: Some quality work, always quality work.
Speaker 1: Will be there to the end of time. Yes, ye, yes, amazing, Okay, great,
Speaker 1: I think we did a lot of good work here today. Guys,
Speaker 1: could you important work we did important.
Speaker 5: To important and iconic or the Lord's work.
Speaker 1: Some may say, yeah, I have to give an honorable
Speaker 1: mention to Kenya.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It's like it's that cousin of the you know, it's
Speaker 1: that Direnda Dirinda, Like Kenya's put her back into it
Speaker 1: to like, oh what about we didn't talk about Phaedra.
Speaker 1: But that's again, it's another honoral mention. It's not an
Speaker 1: important iconic like on the tombstone of Housewives. You're not
Speaker 1: going to see certain people's names, but you will see Nini, myself, Teresa,
Speaker 1: and VICKI, which is my rush More. We will be
Speaker 1: on the tombstone of housewives.
Speaker 2: That is perfect. It's true. It's true.
Speaker 5: Honest. If you sold merch that had that oh my god.
Speaker 4: Rushmore and like you just sold it and it was
Speaker 4: the four of your faces on Mount Rushmore, I would
Speaker 4: wear it you too.
Speaker 1: And you know who thought of the Rushmore. It was
Speaker 1: not Michael Rapport copied me and asking it to me,
Speaker 1: like he asked me back my own question on when
Speaker 1: he was selling in for Wendy Williams. Paul my fiance,
Speaker 1: came up with Rushmore. Andy's copied it. I'm sure he
Speaker 1: copies a lot of things, like he recently said about Nannie,
Speaker 1: like we came up together, which is exactly what I
Speaker 1: said about me and Andy on Instagram. We came just funny.
Speaker 1: He'll like copy certain language. But the Mount Rushmore came
Speaker 1: from Paul my fiance. Then you definitely need to do
Speaker 1: the merch.
Speaker 5: Yep, you got to.
Speaker 1: We need to do the merch.
Speaker 5: The rush someone you design it, Jack Fannick. She's right here,
Speaker 5: Oh all right.
Speaker 2: Let's do it, girl. She'll be amazing. Let's do it done.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, we did it.
Speaker 2: We laughed, We love you, I.
Speaker 5: Know, thank you and you need to come back on.
Speaker 5: Lady Gang Verry.
Speaker 2: Please yes,