1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:00,720 Speaker 1: That's really dope. 2 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 2: So go ahead. 3 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,119 Speaker 3: I was gonna talk about then. So you leave Memphis, 4 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 3: get get drafted and traded to Orlando, one of the 5 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 3: most iconic jerseys I. 6 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: Got, I got, I got a weak bladder, fell y'all 7 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm gonna be right back, keep it going. 8 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: I'm forty four years old. I'm doing the best I can. 9 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: A ud move there. 10 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 3: So but I want to hear about that though, because 11 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 3: going to Orlando, iconic duel between you and Shack, that 12 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 3: team was so dope. Talk about that talking about draft night. 13 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 4: First of all, I have to really auditioned for that, Mike, 14 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 4: even though I was coming out in my draft year. 15 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 4: I was rejected to go top five for sure, but 16 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 4: I started doing the movie Blue Chips. 17 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 2: Dope. I started doing the movie Blue Chips. 18 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 4: I basically had to sell Shack on me being the 19 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 4: guy I knew C Webb, who was a good friend 20 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 4: of mine. 21 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:50,959 Speaker 2: Fab five. 22 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 3: Come on, man, no doubt that waspe by the way, 23 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 3: unbelievable draft class. 24 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 4: I mean, come on, and so I'm with Shack the 25 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 4: entire summer, so I just took advantage of it. I 26 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 4: went to work out for the Magic the very first time, 27 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 4: nobody was at the airport to pick me up. 28 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: Stuart Scott Rest in peace. ESPN. 29 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 4: Stewart Scott was an anchor in Orlando at the time. 30 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 4: He picked me up, took me McDonald's and then took 31 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 4: me to the arena back then and I did a 32 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 4: workout with the strength and conditioning coach and left. I 33 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 4: told Shaq when I got back, I was like, nobody 34 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 4: was at the airport, but I did do a workout 35 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 4: and that was with the strength conditioning coach and that's it. 36 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 4: So about a month later, Shack calls back and go, yo, 37 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 4: y'all need to bring him back. I went back the 38 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 4: second time. There's a church uh in Orlando in winter Park. 39 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 4: I can't remember the name of the name of the church. 40 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 4: That's what the magic used to hoop in the summer 41 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 4: because we were at the rec center. The rec center 42 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 4: was right in the middle of the hood. Shout out 43 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 4: to my boy Marquise Dammes because he's one of the 44 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 4: little dudes that was running up to my car every day. 45 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 4: Now he's an assistant coach at Auburn University. Chucky and 46 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 4: what's Chucky's last name? I'm tripping right now. Yakins acting 47 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 4: my bad see you know, hey, I'm getting old too. 48 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 4: But Chucky was over there and all that. So we 49 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 4: worked out and they put Anthony Bowie, who was their 50 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 4: best defender, who was the guy that was Guarden, Jordan 51 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 4: and Garden, Mitch Richmond and Garden, all the top guards 52 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 4: in the league for the Orlando Magic. And they brought 53 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 4: me in and said, okay, if he could do well 54 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 4: against Anthony Bowie in this setting, then you know, we'll 55 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 4: we'll see what he's all about. And I went into 56 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 4: the setting and I just destroyed the setting. I knew 57 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 4: that that was my audition. Shout out to Anthony Bowie, 58 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 4: but hey, I destroyed the session, went back and toward Shack. 59 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 4: I destroyed it. Bro There's no way that I didn't 60 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 4: win them over with this session. And then the Scott 61 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 4: was there, Nick Anderson was there, and I got their 62 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 4: approval and then the rest is history. Shack did the rest. 63 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 4: I went and worked out for Golden State. That's the 64 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 4: only other team I went to visit, and Don Nelson 65 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 4: sat in the stands. If you know Nelly, Oh yeah, 66 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 4: Me and Tim Hardaway played once in front of Donna. 67 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 4: He's the only one in the stadium, in the stands, 68 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 4: in the whole stadium, and he made Tim Hardaway just 69 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 4: to try to destroy me, to see what kind of 70 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 4: heart I had, what kind of game I had to 71 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 4: try to get Tim's a proof And me and Tim 72 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 4: just played Ones the whole time. And that's the only 73 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 4: other team I tried, I worked out for, and Shack 74 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 4: made the deal happen with me going to Orlando. 75 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 3: I love Tim Hardaway, but I don't know if he wants. 76 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: To I bet that was a good That's my god, 77 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: you got a question because I want to backpedal a 78 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: little bit before my week ass Bladder game. So playing 79 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: at home. People don't understand the responsibility and the pressure 80 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: that comes with when you're playing at home. But it's 81 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: also it's good pressure, but it's also a black pressure 82 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: because you're gonna lose some friends. People got to You're 83 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: going to tell some people know and ain't not gonna 84 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: like that. You're gonna say no to a lot of things. 85 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: Just talk about how you had to balance that, because 86 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: I've dealt with it, but you had to deal with 87 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: it at a college level. I was at the pros, 88 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: but you dealt with it at you was younger waveble immature, 89 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: probably how did you balance that? 90 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 4: You know, it was hard because you only get so 91 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 4: many tickets. It's not like I could get forty tickets 92 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 4: for the entire group, right, Yes, so someone was always 93 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 4: going to be mad and started there. But on the floor, 94 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 4: the pressure that came along with it, I felt like 95 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 4: I was built for that pressure. But the other pressure 96 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 4: of what you're talking about after the game, you didn't 97 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 4: leave me tickets, dealing with your boys, Hey, I want 98 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 4: to come to the next game, trying to shuffle tickets 99 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 4: and all that. That type of stuff is being at home, 100 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 4: it happens as well. But the actual pressure from hooping 101 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 4: at Memphis. I enjoyed that. 102 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: Man. I loved hooping with my teammates. 103 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 4: I wanted to win for the city, and I felt 104 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 4: like at that time, man, you know, I was trying 105 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 4: to show who I really was. But there is a 106 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 4: lot of pressure at home because you have to perform, 107 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 4: and then you have so many people that want to 108 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 4: come to the game, come to practice, come to the dorms, 109 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 4: come to hang out. And it's not like you tried 110 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 4: to I tried to like shun anybody or keep anybody out, 111 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 4: But I was so locked in and focused on making 112 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 4: it that I had to drop some people off that 113 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 4: I used to hang out with that I couldn't hang 114 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 4: out with anymore, and they started saying I was acting funny. 115 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 4: Then when you go back to the hood, they had 116 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 4: negative things to say or good things to say, whatever 117 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 4: it was, and you had to deal with all of 118 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 4: that by being you know, being home. 119 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: That's just what comes along with it. 120 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I heard it all. They're gonna they're gonna 121 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: go in my pockets, They're gonna do it. Well, first 122 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: of all, if you're gonna go in my pockets, where 123 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna go after that, you can't stay here. You 124 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: can't stay here, right Literally, that's a different kind of 125 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: pressure that people don't understand, Penny, that we had to 126 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: deal with because it's like keeping it real can go wrong, 127 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: like you gotta cut people off. Yeah, you gotta cut 128 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: some people off, but then everybody don't like when you 129 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: cut there. So yeah, now it's a different kind of 130 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: pressure that you these people you grew up with, you 131 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: feel like you kind of owe them a little bit. 132 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: They might have looked down for you. People don't understand 133 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: that kind of pressure. 134 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, that is a lot of pressure, man, but you 135 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 4: know we handled it. You know you, like you said 136 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 4: in the pros, you're making millions of dollars. 137 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 2: You're with the heat. Y'all want the championships. I can. 138 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 4: I can understand in Miami how hard it was for you. 139 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 4: It was hard for me as well, but I didn't 140 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 4: have the money like that. It was more basically on 141 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 4: hey can we get tickets, you know on campus, let 142 00:05:58,960 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 4: us hang out. 143 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: You know yours was on a on a higher level 144 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: for sure. 145 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 3: Let's let's talk real quick. You've been like iconically in 146 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: the culture business too. Between the dopest jersey, I've ever 147 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 3: seen the dope one of the pair of dopest shoes MJ. 148 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: Warden in the game. 149 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: One of the basketball movies of all time, Blue Chips 150 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 3: and a little Penny Man. Let's I want to tackle. 151 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 3: I want to tackle the first thing first. 152 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: That was you know, because sometimes we often forget. 153 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I want that brought the light again, 154 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Well, I told you what I 155 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 3: what I worked for him. It is the easiest selling 156 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 3: the world play for Penny and little Penny. Yeah, let's 157 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 3: talk about the shoe though, Yeah, how that was created? 158 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 3: How all that stuff? Were you involved in a lot 159 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 3: of that with Nike? 160 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? 161 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 4: Well, you know the one thing about Nike and I 162 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 4: love the switch and they've been great to me. I 163 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 4: feel like it's it's been the best thing that happened 164 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 4: to me, you know with the NBA outside of my 165 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 4: you know, individual accolades has been you know, an Olympian 166 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 4: and an All Star. They don't give you that that 167 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 4: nod unless you're really taking care of business, right, Mike, 168 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 4: Like you were a rookie the year. 169 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: You don't understand that you were hooping in Orlando as well. 170 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 4: So when you're hooping, then I got approached with an 171 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 4: opportunity because they saw the promising me, they saw the 172 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 4: stardom in me, they saw that I was starting to ascend, 173 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 4: and to me, there was nothing but respect, like, hey, 174 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 4: we want to give your own shoes. So I knew 175 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 4: I had to ride when Nike said, because they're not 176 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: going to give you a shoe unless they know that 177 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 4: they can market you, they know that they can get 178 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 4: where they want to go. 179 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,239 Speaker 3: Business, right, you said, what it's the dollars and sence business. 180 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: They ain't gonna do it unless that they are gonna 181 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: make it. 182 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 4: Come on, now, come on, and yeah, if you don't 183 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 4: make dollars, it don't make sense. So it made sense 184 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 4: to them to give me a shoe. And when they 185 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 4: came out with my sneaker line, I was totally involved. 186 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 4: It went from what kind of cars do you like? 187 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 4: Sports cars? What kind of watches do you like? How 188 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 4: you know, because my shoe was going to be designed 189 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 4: with the mindset of what I like, you know, the 190 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 4: expensive things like what planes? Okay, I'm a G five 191 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 4: type of guy. Now irate, honey, you know, I'm just all. 192 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: These different things. 193 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 4: They asked me these questions and they molded this shoe 194 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 4: and was like, from what you told us, this is 195 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 4: what we think that you would like and may I 196 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 4: instantly loved the model that they made and then they 197 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 4: molded it to my foot and it just seemed like 198 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 4: from that point on, everything just took off. Man, from 199 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 4: the penny ones all the way up to the phones. 200 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 4: Everything that they made for me. The only thing that 201 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 4: I had that the one thing that they had to 202 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 4: do was I needed to wear have a sneaker that 203 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 4: you can wear hooping and that you can we can 204 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 4: wear off the court with like jeans or sweats. 205 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: I wanted. 206 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 4: I didn't want just to have a hoop shoe that 207 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 4: you just had to leave at the gym. I wanted 208 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 4: my shoe to be a lifestyle shoe and a hoopshoe. 209 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 3: So I was a think about him, is he had 210 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 3: a dope style and he blessed me with so many 211 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 3: phone posits. 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