1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: Breaking news in the last hour. She has a British accent. 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: She's sitting on about twenty million plus dollars. She's gorgeous, 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: she has all the manners you can imagine, and she's 4 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: charged with sex attacks on girls Elaine and Maxwell in 5 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 1: the last hours, hit with brand new sex assault charges 6 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: on miners. This as she is facing trial in just weeks. 7 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: Listen to the latest. Delaine Maxwell, a longtime confident of 8 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, is facing new charges for the first time, 9 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: accused of sex trafficking of a minor. It's a new 10 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: indictment accusing her of helping recruit and paying a fourteen 11 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: year old girl to engage in sexual acts with Epstein 12 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: between two thousand and one and two thousand and four. 13 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: Maxwell pleaded not guilty to previous charges tied to Epstein. 14 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: A lot of people arguing legal eagles, legal scholars. Why 15 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: did the federal government wait till now, the midnight hour, 16 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: the eleventh hour before trial to come up with new charges? 17 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: You know what? Instead of asking that, why don't we 18 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: ask did Gillaine Maxwell loure little girls for massages with 19 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: perv Jeffrey Epstein? Why don't we ask that? See if 20 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: that she fits with me an all star panel to 21 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. First 22 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: of all, Jessica Pride tex Assault lawyer with the Pride 23 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: Firm and you can find her on Insta at the 24 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: Pride Law Firm, Twitter at Pride Lawyer pronounced Psychoanalysts and 25 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: joining us today Doctor Bethany Marshall. She's now in the 26 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: new Netflix series Bling Empire, and she's at doctor Bethany 27 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. Former FBI a Facebook star on Curse 28 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: of Acacre, Bobby Chicone joining us Justin Boardman former Detective 29 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: Special Victims Unit, West VALLEYPD Boardman training and consulting at 30 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: Justin Boardman dot com. But first to Charlie Lankson, editor 31 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: with The Daily Mail. You can find her on Twitter 32 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: and Insta at Charlie Lanks l A n K S. Charlie, 33 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: does it never end with this woman? First of all, 34 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: I agree with everybody that this is a day late, 35 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: but not a dollar short. We are heading into the 36 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: trial and in the last hours the state the Feds 37 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: deliver a super seeding indictment with two brand new felony charges. Hey, Charlie, 38 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: listen to our cut a Victoria Arbiter with seven News Australia. 39 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: Just a week after her third request for bail was denied. 40 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: Gillan Maxwell is facing new charges. Yes Today, US prosecutors 41 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: announced that they're expanding their criminal case against her. The 42 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: new eight count indictment accuses Gillen Maxwell of grooming and 43 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: paying for a fourteen year old girl to engage in 44 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: sex acts with Jeffrey Epstein at his Palm Beach, Florida 45 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: home between two thousand and one and two thousand and four. Now, 46 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: Maxwell was already facing counts dating back to the mid nineties, 47 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: but these new charges broad in the timeframe considerably and 48 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: add an alleged fourth victim. Maxwell is accused of scheduling 49 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: these encounters and of paying the young girl hundreds of 50 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: dollars in cash after each visit, and then is at 51 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: true Charlie lengths and joining us from dailymail dot Com 52 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: that in order to make the young girls as young 53 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: as fourteen, Jack, you know that's less than a year 54 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: older than my little Lucy. Just think about that in 55 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 1: your mind, that she would send them racy large ray 56 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: from her Manhattan condo, that she would be there in 57 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: Palm Beach sometimes greeting the little girls at the door 58 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: and leading them into a massage room where Epstein would 59 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: show up but naked. I don't even want to think 60 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: about that. But then she would disrobe as well to 61 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: make the little girls feel more comfortable with the fact 62 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: that they had to strip down. You know what just 63 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: started at the beginning. Charlie, you know more than I 64 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: do on this. Well, I think you've said it very correctly. 65 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: What Gelayne did was nothing. I'm going to throw up. 66 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: I feel like coming out just talking about when I 67 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: thought about my little girl Charlie and these girls at 68 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: the same age. But I think what's really shocking is 69 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: she tried to befriend them. She became a figure of 70 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: support for them. She took them shopping, She acted as 71 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: though she was like another mother figure, a big sister 72 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: to them, at least according to this indictment, and we 73 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: have reports that she would be there on hand when 74 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: these girls turned up at one of Epstein's properties to 75 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: make them feel more comfortable. She would then unre in 76 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: order for the girls to feel more comfortable taking their 77 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: clothes off. She would show them how to massage Epstein 78 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: the way that he liked it. I think wait wait, wait, wait, 79 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: wait wait, how to massage him the way he liked it? Yeah, 80 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: we understand that you might call what to do massage, 81 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: but I call it something very different. There's a lot 82 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: of names for it. It's called masturbating somebody. I mean, 83 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: that's that's the nicest way I can say it. You know, 84 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: way back when we call it a half and half 85 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: when I was prosecuted. I won't go into any other details, 86 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,679 Speaker 1: but this is These are fourteen year old girls that 87 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: we know of. So explain to me. You just said, 88 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: Charlie Lankson, let me put your feet to the fire 89 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: one moment, that she was like a sister or a 90 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: mother to these girls, are you That's how she tried 91 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: to make herself seem. When you look at this indictment 92 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: and you see the befa that she displayed, that's what 93 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: she was trying to do. She was trying to be 94 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: a confidante to these young girls so that they trusted 95 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: her implicitly. Now, we know from previous reports that a 96 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: lot of these girls were incredibly vulnerable. Not all of 97 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: them came from supportive homes. They were looking for someone 98 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: that they could turn to for advice, for help, for guidance. 99 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: They stepped into that role. Hold on, I want to 100 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: follow up something you just said with our panel. They've 101 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: got Jessica Prye, doctor, Bethany Marshall, Babbage, Coon, Justin Boardman, 102 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: Justin to you, former detective Special Victims Unit. Isn't that 103 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: how it always goes? Because I prosecuted so many cases 104 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: where the perp would befriend the child. And I've told 105 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: this before. There was a little boy. Looking back, I 106 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: think he may have been artistic, but he loved video 107 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: arcades and the molester would give him roles of quarters 108 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: in exchange for sodomy. A little boy about eleven years 109 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: old that was autistic and as mom didn't know what 110 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: was happening until she found a fifty dollar bill folded 111 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: up in his blue chains, and she knew something was 112 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: very wrong. And is that the way you saw it 113 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:22,679 Speaker 1: when you were on the force. Absolutely it was, and 114 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: that would be part of my building the case was 115 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: looking for those grooming manipulation sort of behaviors. You know, 116 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: did they do anything to help control the situation or 117 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: help get the victim isolated away from their comfort system, 118 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: their support systems, like going to the mansion, you know 119 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: were they selected, if they were because they were an 120 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: easier target, did they use knowledge to control them? Things 121 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: like that, I would start building my foundation of my 122 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: case with those type of behaviors crime stories with Nancy Grace, 123 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: those of you just joining us. In the last hours, 124 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: it has been announced that British Society, maybe Gilaine Maxwell, 125 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: has been charged with two additional felony counts about procuring 126 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: I guess that's one nice way of putting it. Little 127 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: girls for her buddy, former lover Jeffrey Epstein to Moleste. 128 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: Can you even imagine sending your little girl into a 129 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: massage room and Epstein comes out naked? I don't even 130 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,119 Speaker 1: want to think about that, But that's what happened according 131 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: to the Feds. Many people arguing, why is this just happening? 132 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: We're about to start the trial. Why are they adding 133 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: two new charges? Yeah, I agree that the timing is off. Jessica, 134 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: I don't like it. But what I like even less, 135 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: what's in these allegations Jessica Bride. Yeah, I think this 136 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: is about snitching. They are trying to put added pressure 137 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: on her to cooperate because these new charges are a 138 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: big deal. The reason why they're a big deal is 139 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: because before she wasn't facing a mandatory minimum sentence. Now 140 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: he's facing a mandatory minimum sentence of ten years fifteen 141 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: if they can prove she enticed the girls using fraud, 142 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: which meaning she pretended that it was a legitimate job 143 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: at first. So with this added hammer, they're really putting 144 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: the pressure on her to help them out and to 145 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: give information. I think she was keeping her mouth shut 146 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: and she was not helping the prosecutor. And they probably 147 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: knew about this other victim before, and they had probably 148 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: told her, hey, right now, you don't have a mandatory 149 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: minimum sentence, but if you don't cooperate, we're going to 150 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: at it. Which is exactly why they added it now 151 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: and why they're able to go forward with the trial 152 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: on July twelfth, because I think they already knew about 153 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: the information. You mean, the fans already knew about the information, 154 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: or the defense already knew. Because what's the catch is 155 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: the defense has to have time to prepare to battle 156 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: these charges at trial, and they're going to claim they 157 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: didn't know and they're gonna want a delay in the trial. Yeah, 158 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: I agree, they are trial probably going to ask for 159 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: a continuance but they probably alluded to it. I think 160 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: the Thuds knew about it. They were just hoping that 161 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: Jeline would turn over and talk about very rich and wealthy, 162 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: powerful people she has information about. Let's just call it 163 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: as it is, potentially Bill Clinton, potentially Prince Andrew, potentially 164 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, potentially a lot of other wealthy people. They 165 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: all say no, they had nothing to do with this, 166 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: but those are names that have been boiling in the stew. 167 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: That is Guillaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. Are they involved, 168 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: don't know. We'll see. But you know what you just said, 169 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: it so beautifully and so perfectly. You know you really 170 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: ought to be a trial lawyer. Guy. She is is 171 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: Jessica Pride, sex assault lawyer joining us. That's exactly what 172 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: the Feds have done. And I gotta tell you, Bobby 173 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: should come. When I talk about the Feds, I always 174 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: say the same thing because I was a FED for 175 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: three years before I started prosecuting violent crime. The fans 176 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: don't play. They do not play. If you do not 177 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: do what they want you to do, they will go 178 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: after you. And the part the irony here is what 179 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: they use is legit. They're not going after you with 180 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: false claims. I guarantee you they've backed this up. Tea's 181 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: crossed eyes dotted on these other two claims, they got 182 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: the goods sure. I mean, if you look at the 183 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: conviction rates on at the federal level used to train 184 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: this is much higher than on local all this. Obviously 185 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons for that, but one of 186 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 1: them is we are very thorough. I mean, I used 187 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: to work years on a case before I bot or 188 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: two indictment, and then many times there were superseding indictments 189 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: because a lot of things happen between when you indict 190 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: and when you go to trial. Other witnesses come forward 191 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: because they know about the case, or there's there's negotiations 192 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: with witnesses, or you have to get a witness to 193 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: the point where you're confident to put them on the stand, 194 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: because there's a process that a witness goes through before 195 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: they can be a good witness at trial, so you 196 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: know they This superseding indictment does add minor victim number four. 197 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: It also brings the activity more recent from two thousand 198 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: and one now to two thousand and four, where the 199 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: previous indictment ended. I believe in nineteen ninety seven, So 200 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: you're talking about more recent crimes. You're talking about additional crimes. 201 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: So you can bet that they did their homework. That 202 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: did their homework in preparing this new witness, this minor 203 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: witness number four, minutim minor victim number four, and they 204 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: felt that this was the time, you know, to add 205 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: these charges because they're confident that they can prove them 206 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: before jury. Guys, you're hearing from Bobby Chico and former 207 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: FBII Facebook star Curse of Eca Core. Back to Charlie 208 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: Langston reporting on the very latest in the case against well, 209 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: let me just say high society pimp. That's what the 210 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: state's alleging the fans. Anyway, Let's go back to Charlie 211 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: Langston with Dailymail dot com. Charlie, listen to our friend 212 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: at seven years Victoria arbit Or Cutbe. She was arrested 213 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: at her New Hampshire home at last July. She's since 214 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: been held at a Brooklyn detention center, where the conditions 215 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: are said to be pretty grim. Her trial is due 216 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: to begin on July twelfth, but there's been no word 217 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: as yet as to whether or not her lawyers will 218 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: try to delay the start to that trial. Now that 219 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: there are these new charges, but as you mentioned, everyone 220 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: is very keen to hear from her directly. Oh, they'll 221 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: totally try to delay the trial as they should. Is 222 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: that Jessica jumping in or is that Charlie Charlie jumpy 223 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: and Charlie. You know they're going to delay, and they 224 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: deserve a delay. Delay. Delay delays a defense attorney's best 225 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: friend for many, many reasons, but in this case, with 226 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: brand new charges that kken mandatory minimus of ten to 227 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: fifteen years, Yeah, they're asking for a delay. Go ahead, Charlie, Well, 228 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: I mean I was going to say it's completely changed 229 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: the game. They will. I mean, they would be crazy 230 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: not to ask for a delay. To be completely frank, 231 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: and to go back to that expanded time frame. That 232 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: is incredibly significant for another reason because it was during 233 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: the years of two thousand and one to two thousand 234 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: and four, which is when these new charges are dated, 235 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: that Epstein was associating with people like Bill Clinton and 236 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: Prince Andrew. So while they have not been named specifically 237 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: in this updated indictment, this really does give new cause 238 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: for the FBI to call people like that in for questioning. 239 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: We know that Prince Andrew specifically was socializing with Epstein 240 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: during these years. And Andrew is already facing increased pressure 241 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: in the UK as a result to this news to 242 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: fly over to the US and speak to the FBI 243 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: about his association. So that's not going to happen. That 244 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: is not going to happen. I just saw a picture 245 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: of him yesterday going around his estate with two young 246 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: horse grooms. They're all three on beautiful prize winning horses. 247 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: That guy is not coming to the US to speak 248 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: to the FBI. Not going to happen unless he's forced to. Now, Actually, 249 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: how did Clinton and Trump fit into this mix? I mean, 250 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: I know Clinton flew on the Lowlita Express, yeah, private plane. 251 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: That does not mean he engaged in underage sex. And 252 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: I know Trump was maybe photoed with Gillaine Maxwell, but 253 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: that in no way implicates him in any wrongdoing for 254 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: author of them. But is that why they're in the mix? Well, 255 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: because it increases the time frame. So whereas previously the 256 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: time frame went up to nineteen ninety seven, Trump, Clinton, Andrew, 257 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: they could all get away with saying well, we have 258 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: no known connections with Maxwell during that time. That is 259 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: now changed because she is now being charged with crimes 260 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: up until two thousand and four. We know that Clinton 261 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: and Andrew specifically were associating with Epstein during the early 262 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: two thousands, so that really does bring them into the mix. 263 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: You are very much correct. Their associations with Epstein does 264 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: not mean necessarily that they were involved in any criminal activity, 265 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: but it does mean that they may have pertinent information 266 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: that could be incredibly useful in this specific case against Maxwell. 267 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: Right for all, we know to play devil's advocate. You 268 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: know how Gulaine Maxwell and Epstein would throw these lavish 269 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: parties and they would have turns of photographers running around 270 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: taking photos. You know, I know they would want to 271 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: pose with either Clinton or Trump. You know they would. 272 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: So does that mean any wrong doing? No, everything must 273 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: be proven in a court of law. Crime stories with 274 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about brand new charges. 275 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: The fans have pulled down the hammer on Delaine Maxwell. 276 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: She's accused of basically being a high priced pimp madam. 277 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: So to speak to her pervy boyfriend Jeffrey Epstein, a millionaire. 278 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Scott Jones, Fox fifty nine. There 279 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: are new charges against Glaine Maxwell. The associating girlfriend of 280 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: the late Jeffrey Epstein. Prosecutors say that she helped run 281 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: his underage sex trafficking ring. Federal prosecutors added two new 282 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: counts of sex trafficking, conspiracy, and sex trafficking of a minor. 283 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: The attorneys added a fourth victim to the case, a 284 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: fourteen year old who they say was recruited for Epstein. 285 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: Maxwell's accused of paying the teen hundreds of dollars each 286 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: illegal sexual act and sending gifts, including lingerie or home. 287 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: Maxwell has pled not guilty and a schedule to stand 288 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: trial in July. Sending a fourteen year old little girl 289 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: lingerie at her home. That's pretty bold, and that was 290 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: Scott Jones at Pots fifty nine. Earlier, you were hearing 291 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: our friend Lesterholt at NBC News. Now I want you 292 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: to take a listen to the US attorney for the 293 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: Southern District of New York. This is Audrey Stress. Maxwell 294 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: was among Epstein's closest associatest and helped him exploit girls 295 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: who were as young as fourteen years old. Maxwell played 296 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: a critical role in helping Epstein to identify a friend 297 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: and groom minor dictives for abuse. In some cases, Maxwell 298 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: participated in the abuse herself as a legged Maxwell and 299 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: Epstein had a method. Typically, they would friend these young 300 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: girls by asking them questions about their lives, pretending to 301 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: be taking an interest in them. They would take them 302 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: to the movies and treat them to shopping trips. Maxwell 303 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: would encourage these young girls to accept offers from Epstein 304 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: to pay for their travel and their education, making these 305 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: young victims feel indebted to Jeffrey Epstein. Now what is 306 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: Gillaine Maxwell, a millionaire from the family of a multi 307 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: millionaire in Great Britain doing taking these old girls out 308 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: to shopping malls? Why? I mean, the jury is going 309 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: to have to think this thing through. She is rubbing 310 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: elbows with Clinton and Trump and Prince Andrew and all 311 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: sorts of wealthy multi millionaires from all over the world. 312 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: So what's her interest and a fourteen year old little girl? 313 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: That'd be the first thing I would say the jury 314 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: right there, let me try doctor Bethany Marshall again. It 315 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,959 Speaker 1: psycho analyst to the stars joining us d jor Bethany 316 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: Are you there? Yes, I'm here, Can you hear me? 317 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: I'm ready hit me? Oh hey? Her interest in these 318 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: underage girls is a hundred and sixty eight million dollars. 319 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: You know, we have a term in my field. It's 320 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: called secondary gains. It means you're getting something out of 321 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: very sick or disturbed or perverted behavior. A more benign 322 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: example would be like a young girl is anorexic in 323 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: a family, and you wonder what's keeping the anorexia going 324 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: even though she's in a lot of therapy. And then 325 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,239 Speaker 1: you realize that her family's fawning over her, giving her 326 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: a lot of attention, poking food at her all the time. 327 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,239 Speaker 1: So she's getting something out of the symptoms. And I 328 00:20:55,320 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: think in this case, although Gillen may have been perverse herself, 329 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: she had secondary gains. She got to rub elbows with 330 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: very wealthy people. She got millions of dollars. She got 331 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: to fly on what you call the Lolita Express. Have 332 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: you seen the Islands, Nancy? It was beautiful servants at 333 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: her disposal, a mansion in New York City on that 334 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: limited access to Jeffrey Epstein's wealth. I don't think she 335 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: was in love with him anymore. I think she had 336 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: moved on. Perhaps they were friends, but she supplied her 337 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: with a lifestyle. And you put that along with a 338 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: lack of a conscience, not really caring about these young girls. 339 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: And you asked earlier about where were their parents. They 340 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 1: all came from poor families, Nancy. Their parents had to work. 341 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: Their parents didn't have like three to sixty on their phones, 342 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: you know, tracking their girls. Their families were like as 343 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 1: a local circle k or Target or Walmart, just trying 344 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: to pay the family's rent, so they couldn't keep track 345 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: on these girls. Speak of the contrast between hundreds tens 346 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: of millions of dollars gil And had at her disposal 347 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: and the five or ten dollars these parents scraped together 348 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: to give to their girls on the daily basis, and 349 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: then gill And gives them rolls of cash. It's just 350 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: a really sick pattern. But I would say it was 351 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: the millions of dollars and the rubbing elbows with high 352 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: powered people that kept her there. Back to Justin Boardman, 353 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: former Detective Special Victims Unit West VALIPD. What doctor Bethany 354 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: just said really hit home to me because I remember 355 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: my dad would work all kind of crazy hours. We 356 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: call them tricks with the railroad, the first trick, the 357 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: second trick, the third trick. It means the shift. My 358 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: mom wouldn't get home sometimes six or seven o'clock at 359 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: night from work. That gives from three o'clock. If Yellaine 360 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: Maxwell or to pick these children up from school and 361 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: take them to Epstein's mansion, that gives till seven o'clock. 362 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: That's four hours. That's plenty of time for these sex 363 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: sext to occur and the parents never knowing what was 364 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: going on. Justin absolutely all part of the grooming process again, 365 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: which would be a documentation for my case. So finding 366 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: the vulnerabilities in her targets, if you will, and exploiting 367 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: them and showing that she was she was safe and 368 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: she could provide for them, buy them gifts, give them money. 369 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: Then also to do that if they recruited more so 370 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: if they wanted more of that attention, if they wanted 371 00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: more of those gifts, they would recruit other young girls. Well, 372 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: that's interesting that you just said that, because that is 373 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: part of what is claimed here that this new victim 374 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: number four but actually recruit other girls. So let's take 375 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: a listen again to the US Attorney for the Southern 376 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: District of New York. This is Audrey Strouss. Maxwell and 377 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: Epstein worked together to entice these minor victims to travel 378 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: to Epstein's residences depicted on the depicted on the other 379 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: chart at the front of the room, his residence in 380 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: New York City on the outher east Side, as well 381 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:40,959 Speaker 1: as Palm Beach, Florida, and Santa Fe, New Mexico. Some 382 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: of the acts of abuse also took place in Maxwell's 383 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: residence in London. King, can you imagine these girls who 384 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: came from nowhere and had nothing being flown around on 385 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: a plane. Take a listen to more of Audrey Strauss. Yeah, 386 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: you're developing a rapport with the victims. Maxwell then tried 387 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: to normalize sexual abuse with the minor victim were process 388 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: known as grooming. For example, Maxwell would discuss sexual topics 389 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: with the victim and undressed in front of the victim 390 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: or being present for sets acts involving the minor victims 391 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: and Epstein. Maxwell's presence as an adult woman helped with 392 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: the victims at ease. As Maxwell and Epstein intended, this 393 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: grooming process left the minor victims susceptible the sexual abuse. 394 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: That abuse included sexualized massages during which the minor victim 395 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: was fully or partially nude. These sexualized massages developed into 396 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: sexual encounters for which Maxwell, in some instances was present 397 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: and participated factor. Charlie Langston with a dailymail dot Com Charlie, 398 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: I understand that a long with these new charges, there 399 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: is now a threat to Gilaine Maxwell's financial empire and 400 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: the savings of her new husband. Explain yea. So prosecutors 401 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: have said that if she is convicted, they will go 402 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: after her fortune and her husband's fortune. The couple are 403 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: said to be worth around twenty two point five million 404 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: dollars together. So this is yet another threat. Not only 405 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: could Gillayne end up in prison for a very long time, 406 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: but she could also see the majority of the wealth 407 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: that she has built up, and we've talked about how 408 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: important that wealth was to her that could also be 409 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: taken from her. So she stands to lose a lot 410 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: more than just ten years of her life, fifteen years 411 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: of her life in jail. You know, I noticed in 412 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: the wording by the Feds that they said that they 413 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: are going after her money and if she has commingled 414 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: her money or transfer her money to anyone else or 415 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: any other account, if that money is not easily detachable 416 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: from the other account, they'll take that other account too. 417 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: What I'm talking about is the husband's savings crime stories 418 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace to Jessica Pride sex assault lawyer joining 419 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: us in staff at the Pride to law firm. Jessica, 420 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: how does that work? And it's entirely legal. They can 421 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: see these assets. That's why you shouldn't commit crimes. Yeah, 422 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: she's sea seeing life in prison as she should. That 423 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: is a pittance that she has to pay compared to 424 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: what she has done to these victims. So not only 425 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: is she going to face having her finances is taken 426 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: by the federal government, she also can be sued in 427 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: civil court by the survivors and they can sue her 428 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: for what she has done to them. So I hope 429 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: all of her assets are not only seized or she's 430 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: sued for them. Because she sentenced these survivors to a 431 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,479 Speaker 1: life sentence. We know that sexual trauma is something that 432 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: does not go away. It lives with a child for 433 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: the rest of their lives, which is why we are 434 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: still here talking about this case here today, because those 435 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: survivors are not okay and they deserve to be compensated. 436 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: They're not. And not only that Charles have gone after 437 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: the known victims and If you notice in this superseding indictment, 438 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: this new victim is named victim number four. Many people 439 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: will argue that the fans are using victim number four 440 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: to corroborate or bolster the rest of their case, and 441 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: that may be true, may not like at but so 442 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: what if the allegations are true, that is the crime, 443 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: not the federal government's methods in catching a pimp? I 444 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: want to follow. Can we just stop using the word pimp. 445 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I understand what she's charged with enticing these people, 446 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: but you know, I have whore the word pimp because 447 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: it marginalizes her activity. Both we heard from the prosecutor 448 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: earlier and if you read the indictment, Gallaine Maxwell actively 449 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: participated in this abuse. She did not just arrange for 450 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,239 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein to have these girls. She actively participated, and 451 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: it's spelled out in some of the overt acts in 452 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: the indictment where she was an abuser herself. And I 453 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: think that the more we say that she was his 454 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: girlfriend and getting girls for him, it marginalizes the fact 455 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: that she herself was an abuser. She at least on 456 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: one occasion spelled out in the indictment, she massaged one 457 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: of these girls while the miner was topless. She may 458 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: have used sex boys on some of these victims. So 459 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: she was an abuser herself. And I think the more 460 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: we we term her as a pimp or someone who 461 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: just facilitated getting these girls to Jeffrey Epstein, it minimizes 462 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: the fact that she herself abused these victims. You know what, 463 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: You're right back on that hold on Bethey because I 464 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: want to throw you a question based on something Jessica 465 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: just said, But you can incorporate what Bobby Checode just 466 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: says as well. When you're a crime, victim of violent 467 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: crimes such as a sex assault, it never goes away. 468 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: I don't care how many years pass. You wake up 469 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: at night reliving it, you dream about it. It makes 470 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: you feel sick to your stomach when you remember it. 471 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: You blame yourself for what happened. Why did I do this? 472 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: Why did I let that happen? Why did I go? 473 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: What was wrong with me? And you live with the 474 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: shame of it like it's your fault the rest of 475 00:30:54,680 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: your life. Victims a violent crime never get over it. 476 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: That's right, Nancy. And the part about you blaming them 477 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: blaming themselves is what I wanted to pick up on 478 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: fourteen years of age where the child is developmentally, is 479 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: that they are separating from their parents. They're attaching to 480 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: their peers and their school teachers. They are not wanting 481 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: to be at home. They're just on the brink of 482 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: wanting to experiment and learn who they are in the world. 483 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: And that's why if you have a fourteen year old, 484 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: they're going to walk around with headsets on or there, 485 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: you know, what are their little earpieces in. They're going 486 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: to have the radio kind of pumped up. They're going 487 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: to be wanting to, you know, skateboard down the street 488 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: because their parents, the family home is not where the 489 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: action is for them developmentally. It is the larger world. 490 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: They're preparing to leave home. So Jeffrey Epstein and Dylan 491 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: Maxwell exploited that very vulnerable age where the victim would agree. 492 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: The victim would say, say, oh, this is kind of cool. 493 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: I've never been in a mansion before. Hundreds of thousands 494 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: of dollars with us or one hundred dollar bills. Wow, 495 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: I get to be an a limo. Oh, this girl's cool. 496 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: I have never ever met somebody like her. My parents 497 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: are kind of funny daddies. So I think it's the 498 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: exploitation of where the girls were developmentally that really particularly 499 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: makes me sick. When you're kidnapped, you know you played 500 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: no role in that. If somebody rapes you in a 501 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: parking lot, you know that it wasn't your fault because 502 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: you were walking through the parking lot. But when you 503 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: are fourteen years old and you're easily enticed to want 504 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: to know anything and everything about the world, and so 505 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: you say yes, and you go forward, and then in 506 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: the blink of that eye, you become a victim. I 507 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: think that's where the trauma is. Nancy, and what you 508 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: were talking about dreaming at night, it's called flashbacks. I mean, 509 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: let's think about the symptoms of post traumatic stress, isolation, detatchment, 510 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: dissociative phenomena, numbing, distrust of the world, cheerfulness, crying, depression, 511 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: predisposition to substance abuse. This is what these girls are 512 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: going to be suffering from for the rest of their lives. 513 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: It's not just that I fell off my skateboard when 514 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: I was skating away from the family home because I 515 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: was sick of my parents. I was molested because my 516 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: developmental age was used against me. Another thing I've learned 517 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, is it's not so much the physical act, 518 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: just for instance, a sex toy being used on you 519 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: at age fourteen, but the feeling of helplessness that sticks 520 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: with a sex attack victim for the rest of their life. 521 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: That helpless feeling can creep over you at any time. 522 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: It can be on an elevator, you can be right 523 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: in your car. Some act may trigger a memory and 524 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: that stifling feeling of completely being helped takes over. Well, 525 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,719 Speaker 1: here's what happens with trauma. Whatever is happening in the 526 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 1: present that seems similar to what happened in the past 527 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: will be seen as identical. I once treated a sex 528 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: abuse victim. She grew up in the Ozarks. She was 529 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: assaulted by cousins, uncles, multiple family members. She told me 530 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: that she felt psychologically like a baseball stop. It like 531 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: in a baseball game. Anybody could just like run over 532 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: her and she was there for their pleasure. And she 533 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: finally got into a wonderful marriage with a really wonderful man, 534 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: but she couldn't have sex with him because at the 535 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: moment of intercourse she would imagine she was being raped. 536 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: So she was doomed to a sexless marriage because of 537 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: that phenomena you're talking about that the current trigger felt 538 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 1: identical with the past traumatic event, and that will happen 539 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: again and again for any of your listeners who have trauma. 540 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: That's what the flashback is. And also one quick note 541 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: is that these sex traffickers, Jeffrey and Galen, turn these 542 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 1: girls against their parents and that's where the guilt lyson 543 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: who is what's called shared paranoia, which is you get 544 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: the girls to talk about, oh, yeah, my mom. You know, 545 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: she wouldn't let me go to the mall, she wouldn't 546 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: let me use my phone, and they exploit at that 547 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: developmental stage in that way. As well. To Charlie Langston, 548 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: joining US editor at dailymail dot com, who's one of 549 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: the first to break the story of brainy charges against Gillane, 550 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: Maxwell point well taken jacoon not just pimp for a 551 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: millionaire perv Jeffrey Etstein, but also according to the fed 552 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: sex attacker herself. She denies all claims. Charlie Langston, what 553 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: happens next, Well, I think what we have to see 554 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: now is how Gelane will respond to these new charges. 555 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: As you said, she has pled not guilty to all 556 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: six charges that we knew about before this updated indictment 557 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: we've discussed already. I do think that it makes a 558 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: lot of sense for her defense team to try and delay. 559 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: But I think what will also be really interesting, and 560 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: this is something we've spoken about before, is whether this 561 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,720 Speaker 1: prompsky Lane to play ball, if you will, with the fads. 562 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 1: Whether she is going to say to them, Okay, these 563 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: charges are enough for me to roll over and start 564 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: naming names. And that is where it gets incredibly controversial, 565 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: because we've already discussed the number of powerful people that 566 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: have connections to her. As small as those connections may be, 567 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,760 Speaker 1: she potentially holds a wealth of information that could well 568 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: broaden this case and throw a lot of very powerful 569 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: people into the spotlight. And that is likely what the 570 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,399 Speaker 1: FEDS are hoping will happen, That she will give them 571 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: more information so that other people start being prosecuted and 572 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: charged and so on and so forth. We wait, as 573 00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: justice God willing and false. Nancy grays Kind story signing off, Goodbye,