Speaker 1: We initially released Terrell Barrows's story on June twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty based on newly discovered evidence and witnesses. His
Speaker 1: conviction was vacated and he was released on bail on
Speaker 1: August fifteenth, twenty twenty three, right into the arms of
Speaker 1: his mother. I remember getting the call from his advocate,
Speaker 1: Nurjana Hindi, one of the former students with Georgetown's making
Speaker 1: an xana ree class, and I think I I think
Speaker 1: I almost passed out. Honestly, I was so excited and
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to hear the good news, and we
Speaker 1: hope that now Rhode Island will do the right thing
Speaker 1: and dismiss all the charges. Here's our original coverage from
Speaker 1: when Terrell was still on the inside. August twenty six,
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, started off as a relatively normal night. Terrell
Speaker 1: Barrows was at Monet Lounge in Providence, Rhode Island, with
Speaker 1: Stephan Boden and some other friends.
Speaker 2: In disagreement ensued between Stephan and two other clubgoers, Rokeem
Speaker 2: Henley and Jamal Cruz, but the tension didn't boil over
Speaker 2: until later in the parking lot. See Stefanboden wanted his
Speaker 2: cigarettes and he would ask Torell for his car keys
Speaker 2: because that's where they were, So he left ahead of
Speaker 2: the group, and as fate would have it, who was
Speaker 2: parked right next to Terrell, but Jamal and Rokeem, who
Speaker 2: were now ominously approaching. Terrell and the rest of his friends, though,
Speaker 2: were just arriving on the scene and trying to avoid
Speaker 2: the drama, So Terrell made for the driver's side door,
Speaker 2: and then gunshots. Terrell quickly ducked into the driver's seat
Speaker 2: and Stephan bod jumped into the passenger side. Seconds later,
Speaker 2: the cops were at the car and they saw Stepan
Speaker 2: trying to hide the gun. Stepan confessed on the spot
Speaker 2: to the shooting as both.
Speaker 1: Men were cuffed.
Speaker 2: An intoxicated and mortally wounded Jamal Cruz had put his
Speaker 2: head down when shown Terrell a far cry from an identification,
Speaker 2: but that didn't stop a detective from testifying a trial
Speaker 2: about a quote unquote dying declaration. The state even ignored
Speaker 2: Stephan Boden's immediate and uncoerced confession, forging blindly ahead to
Speaker 2: ultimately send Torell to prison, where he remains to this day,
Speaker 2: serving two consecutive life sentences plus thirty years. This is
Speaker 2: Wrongful Conviction with Jason Plomm. Wrongful Conviction has always given
Speaker 2: voice to innocent people in prison, and now we're expanding
Speaker 2: that voice to you. Call us at eight three three
Speaker 2: two oh seven four six sixty six and tell us
Speaker 2: how these stories make you feel and what you've done
Speaker 2: to help the cause, even if it's something as simple
Speaker 2: as telling a friend or sharing on social media, and
Speaker 2: you might just hear yourself in a future episode. Call
Speaker 2: us A three three two oh seven four six sixty six.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Wrongful Conviction with Jason Flom. Today we're
Speaker 2: going to be discussing the really troubling case of Terrell Barrows,
Speaker 2: who was wrongfully convicted of a shooting in which one
Speaker 2: person was killed and another was badly injured. And with
Speaker 2: us today we have a student at Georgetown who's been
Speaker 2: doing incredible work investigating his case under the leadership of
Speaker 2: my friend, Professor Mark Howard. So Nurgenna Hendy, welcome to
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jason.
Speaker 2: The Georgetown class that Nurgenna is a student in is
Speaker 2: taught by Mark Howard and a name that you'll recognize
Speaker 2: from being on our show more than once. Marty Tankleff,
Speaker 2: and of course this class was directly responsible for the
Speaker 2: exoneration of Valentino Dixon. If you haven't heard his episode,
Speaker 2: please go back and listen to it. It's extraordinary. So
Speaker 2: we hope to be hearing from Terrell Barrows very soon.
Speaker 2: Of course, in this COVID time that we're in, it's
Speaker 2: very hard to get to the phones in prison, but
Speaker 2: we will be discussing his case and hopefully hearing from
Speaker 2: him as the podcast progresses. So let's go back to
Speaker 2: twenty twelve.
Speaker 4: Back in August of twenty twelve, Terrell Barrows and a
Speaker 4: group of friends headed out to Monet Lounge in Providence,
Speaker 4: Rhode Island. While they're in the club, there's some sort
Speaker 4: of verbal altercation between Terrell's group and a couple of
Speaker 4: members of another group, including the two that got shot.
Speaker 4: One was Rokeem Henley, who got shot in the leg
Speaker 4: and who I spoke with a couple of times over
Speaker 4: the past few months, and then Jamal Cruz who ended
Speaker 4: up dying that night. But Terrell wasn't a part of
Speaker 4: that verbal altercation. It was stuff in Boden who was
Speaker 4: and so a name was called Someone's hat got tapped
Speaker 4: off their head and then no one really stays. There's
Speaker 4: not a physical altercation at all. Later on in the night,
Speaker 4: Stephan Bowden asked Terrell. He goes, hey, let me get
Speaker 4: the tack to go get your car keys. So as
Speaker 4: he's heading over, there is another car that is parked
Speaker 4: bumper to bumper with Terrell's car, and it just happens
Speaker 4: to be the car of Jamal Cruz.
Speaker 3: Stephen thought that.
Speaker 4: Jamal and roe Keem were coming to cause problems, when
Speaker 4: in reality they were just walking to their car. Stefan
Speaker 4: grabs the gun and you know, witnesses say he told
Speaker 4: them don't come any closer. And at this point Terrell
Speaker 4: starts heading over to his car with his group of friends.
Speaker 4: Terrell is about ten to fifteen feet away from Stefan
Speaker 4: Bowden and Jamal Cruz, which is where all eyewitnesses placed
Speaker 4: him as well, and he's actually walking to get to
Speaker 4: the other side of his car to hop in the
Speaker 4: driver's seat because he knows that there's trouble about to
Speaker 4: happen he doesn't want to be a part of it.
Speaker 4: He hears two gun shots, he jumps into the driver's
Speaker 4: seat and almost immediately Stefan jumps into the passat and
Speaker 4: the cops are there to arrest them.
Speaker 2: And there's more to this too, because when Stephan jumped
Speaker 2: into the passenger seat, he had it sort of a
Speaker 2: moment of self awareness right where he started apologizing to
Speaker 2: Terrell for sort of involving him in this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: At this point, the arresting officers are on either side
Speaker 4: and the gun is still with Stephan Bowden. He is
Speaker 4: caught concealing the gun in the passenger side door, and
Speaker 4: Stefan actually confesses on the scene. He said it's me,
Speaker 4: It's all me, It's all mine. Yet they are both arrested,
Speaker 4: taken to a paddy wagon, and then there's a show
Speaker 4: up that is done. Now they spoke with a couple
Speaker 4: of jury members who told me this is what caused
Speaker 4: us to believe Terrell is guilty. So in the show ups,
Speaker 4: they bring Stephan over to Jamal, who was in critical
Speaker 4: condition on the floor, extremely intoxicated, and they say, is
Speaker 4: this the man that shot you? And Jamal looks away.
Speaker 4: Apparently when they bring over Terrell, Detective Matrasia says, Jamal.
Speaker 2: Nods, that's what they say he did. It doesn't matter
Speaker 2: if he nodded or not. He was in no position
Speaker 2: to make any identification of anyone, and we still don't
Speaker 2: know if he did. It's not like he stuck his
Speaker 2: finger out and went, yeah, that's the guy who shot me.
Speaker 2: Then he's out right, that's not what happened.
Speaker 4: They actually did not even do a show up identification
Speaker 4: with the other guy, Rokeim Henley, who was shot and
Speaker 4: he was not in critical condition.
Speaker 2: They also didn't bother to swab the hands of either
Speaker 2: Terrell or Stephan, right, that would be so critical to
Speaker 2: figuring out who did or did not commit this horrible crime.
Speaker 4: And Jason, I think it was clear to arresting officers
Speaker 4: this had to have been Stephan. It was in his hand,
Speaker 4: he confesses. That's probably why they didn't even swab their hands.
Speaker 4: And then you know, somehow the story gets twisted and
Speaker 4: it's now in Terrell because of what they call a
Speaker 4: dying duck. Terrell Owas says, he goes, there were two
Speaker 4: lives lost that night, Mine and Jamal Cruz. And I
Speaker 4: feel bad because Jamal Cruz didn't get justice.
Speaker 5: This is a free call from row, an inmate at
Speaker 5: maximum security facility. Thank you for using securists. You may
Speaker 5: start the conversation now.
Speaker 2: I love Heyterrell, thanks for calling in. I know we
Speaker 2: have limited time, so this woul get right to it.
Speaker 2: Can you take us back to the awful night of
Speaker 2: this crime and give us your perspective having lived through
Speaker 2: this night, Mary yourself.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 6: Back at that night and the two dudes approached, you know,
Speaker 6: we're talking to Stuffan about something. The problem wasn't with me,
Speaker 6: so we went outside in the front of the club,
Speaker 6: Stephond one of my keys, to go get it figures.
Speaker 6: So when we go to the top, the two dings approaching.
Speaker 6: So I see them two dudes. I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 6: here we go. So I try to down to go
Speaker 6: with Javiside in the car and I hear shots, so
Speaker 6: I just run into my car. Since I run in
Speaker 6: my car, pp is like on us, he had the
Speaker 6: gun on me. He put your hands on a stading wheel.
Speaker 6: I put my hands on standing wheel and he keeps
Speaker 6: on saying it. But he's talking to Stepan, So he
Speaker 6: puts his hands on the standing wheel and he's like, yo,
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I love y'all, love you. The
Speaker 6: police officers hopping up and he's like, oh yo, the
Speaker 6: passions has got the gun. So as soon as he
Speaker 6: opens up the door, Stephan says, it's me. It's all me,
Speaker 6: It's all mine. He's like it's shoot. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's me. So when he took him out, he's already
Speaker 6: hearing come from the other cop that had the gun
Speaker 6: on us. He comes, he flashed the cuffs on the wrist,
Speaker 6: my wrists and slings me on the floor. Brings it
Speaker 6: back to the paddy wagon. There's a guy that was shot.
Speaker 6: I didn't know no one was shot. I could see
Speaker 6: blood every this dude's hurt. So this dude shot in
Speaker 6: the chest. And this dude's like doing a show up
Speaker 6: with this guy shot in the chest, asking him this
Speaker 6: sin descend to shin. The guy just looked at me
Speaker 6: and put his head down. He didn't say nothing, he
Speaker 6: didn't do nothing. He ain't saying nothing. He just put
Speaker 6: his head down. So then they had put me back
Speaker 6: into patty wagon. They bring me back to the station,
Speaker 6: and they bring me back the station and you know
Speaker 6: they do the mob shot the finger prints, whether they
Speaker 6: got me to a room or two detectives. I asked
Speaker 6: for my lawyer to touch his Angelo Levon was the
Speaker 6: lead detect He was the one that questioned me the
Speaker 6: first time in the first night. So he's like, oh,
Speaker 6: you know he wants cigarette. You want a cigarett. I'm
Speaker 6: like no. He's like, you want a water. I'm like no.
Speaker 6: And he kept on chrying to talk to me, and
Speaker 6: I'm like, I want my lawyer. I want my lawyer.
Speaker 6: I want my lawyer. So he leaves the room and
Speaker 6: he comes back and he brings back to hold himself.
Speaker 6: So it's one of the times I'm like, yo, I'm
Speaker 6: banging on the door. Cap comes, He's like, O what
Speaker 6: you're banging. Don'm like, I want my phone call. He's
Speaker 6: like phone call. I'm like yeah. He's like, are you
Speaker 6: get to play? Phone calls? Were up going? I'm like,
Speaker 6: where am I going. He's like, You're gonna kill What
Speaker 6: the hell? They bring me in the bus they chance
Speaker 6: put me there and I find out one day the
Speaker 6: raiment and I'm getting charge with murder. I go up
Speaker 6: into the courtroom a split up. Stephan was on the
Speaker 6: left side on the right side, so they reach stuff
Speaker 6: in his charges seven bolroom possession of firearm, and that
Speaker 6: was that. He goes with Crell Barrow's first degree murder.
Speaker 6: I'm like, they charge me with murder. I'm Paul is
Speaker 6: showing everything I love. I did not do it. He
Speaker 6: admitted it on the scene to the cop. That's the
Speaker 6: part I don't understand.
Speaker 2: I don't understand it either, because it should have been
Speaker 2: over right then and there.
Speaker 6: They told me I got to get up the phone.
Speaker 5: Okay, the caller has hung up.
Speaker 2: You're listening to Wrongful Conviction. You can listen to this
Speaker 2: and all the Lava for Good podcasts one week early
Speaker 2: and ad free by subscribing to Lava for Good Plus
Speaker 2: on Apple Podcasts. I have never and may never again
Speaker 2: hear of a case in which the actual shooter skates
Speaker 2: on the charges after confessing on the scene. Right, I mean,
Speaker 2: at that point, this should be a very short podcast.
Speaker 2: That should be the end of it. I mean, this
Speaker 2: would be funny, except it's so freaking serious. Right, and
Speaker 2: this is the system that we all rely on day
Speaker 2: in and day out. I'd like to believe that we
Speaker 2: have people who are doing the job that they're paid
Speaker 2: to do. But in this case, it's absolutely true. It
Speaker 2: failed society, it failed the victim, It failed to rell
Speaker 2: and that's what we're here to talk about. And then
Speaker 2: it gets weirder because then you start with the eyewitness.
Speaker 2: The only eyewitness is a guy named Gregory's or Obedient,
Speaker 2: and he initially claims he didn't see the shooting and
Speaker 2: then changed his testimony six days before the trial to
Speaker 2: say he saw to Rell do it. We have a
Speaker 2: document signed by the assist Attorney General promising not to
Speaker 2: charge him for perjury should he alter his testimony. That's
Speaker 2: maybe just a little bit of a red flag there.
Speaker 2: Now get this, Okay, this Gregory's or Obedient guy had
Speaker 2: well let's just call it an extensive criminal history, but
Speaker 2: that might not even be doing a justice. So his
Speaker 2: rap sheet went back thirty years. It included convictions not arrest,
Speaker 2: convictions for living off the earnings of a prostitute, grand larceny,
Speaker 2: dui causing death, cocaine possession, burglary, theft, escape, and that's
Speaker 2: just the beginning. So do we think that after doing
Speaker 2: all these other things he's done, he might be willing
Speaker 2: to lie in exchange for a deal? I would say
Speaker 2: that's a pretty good likelihood. And then let's get to
Speaker 2: Detective Charles Mtrasia. Do you want to take that one, Ojenna.
Speaker 4: He was actually the one who claims that he saw
Speaker 4: Jamal Cruz nod when they brought over. Terrell asked ROCITYO,
Speaker 4: were you watching Jamal? He said, yeah, I was watching him.
Speaker 4: I said, did he not? He said no, he didn't
Speaker 4: do anything, So whether he did or did not is
Speaker 4: another story. But again, Jamal Cruz was under the influence
Speaker 4: of alcohol. He had a BAC of point one six',
Speaker 4: two which seems like a lot until we look at rokem.
Speaker 3: Who had to actually HIRE bac as.
Speaker 4: Well and then Both Stephan andterrell were wearing WHITE t
Speaker 4: shirts and darker. Pants out of the group That terrell was,
Speaker 4: in he was not the only one with two long black.
Speaker 4: Braids he just. Wasn't it was a. Style if you
Speaker 4: look at the pictures of his friend, group he's not
Speaker 4: the only one with two long black. Braids and so
Speaker 4: out of a group of people wearing white, shirts dark,
Speaker 4: pants two long black, braids you're dying on the. Floor
Speaker 4: And Detective matrasia, says, yeah he nodded when we brought Over.
Speaker 4: TERRELL i, mean how unreal could that? Be and so
Speaker 4: now we're moving INTO gsr.
Speaker 2: TESTING gsr stands for gunshot residue.
Speaker 4: Yep and there are three particles of gunshot residue that
Speaker 4: they test for when they're looking at. Clothing so When
Speaker 4: stephan And terrell were initially, Arrested stephan was pulled out
Speaker 4: of the car and he was slammed against the side
Speaker 4: of the. Car When terrell was, arrested he was pulled
Speaker 4: out of the car and slammed to the, ground so
Speaker 4: he actually had some dirt on his white shirt in
Speaker 4: a specific.
Speaker 3: Area what they.
Speaker 4: Initially test was the chest area of Both terrell and Of,
Speaker 4: stephan because the theory is if someone is a shooter
Speaker 4: and they hold the gun straight, ahead that the gunshot
Speaker 4: residue will recoil and hit them in the chest. Area
Speaker 4: so they talk About, steffan they, go, well we found
Speaker 4: lead On, stepan and they, say, well you also found
Speaker 4: lead On. Terrell So terrell whispers to his, attorney ask
Speaker 4: if they happened to find the lead where my shirt was.
Speaker 4: Dirty they said, Yes so it makes sense that that's
Speaker 4: the only place on his clothing where they found. Lead
Speaker 4: so this is all the information they had in terms
Speaker 4: OF gsr at, trial but there is MORE gsr evidence
Speaker 4: to which is part of what we are motioning for
Speaker 4: with the new hearing coming.
Speaker 2: Up, well we're on, initials, right we'll go FROM gsr TO,
Speaker 2: dna and THE dna report excluded To ralp from having
Speaker 2: held the. Gun so let's touch for a second on
Speaker 2: THE dna expert for the, state who we know was,
Speaker 2: WELL i, mean, most unfortunately quote unquote experts are pro.
Speaker 2: Prosecution in, fact the whole system is pro. Prosecution over
Speaker 2: eighty percent of judges are former. Prosecutors so throughout the
Speaker 2: process there's a tilt towards, prosecution and the experts that
Speaker 2: you're seeing may not be objective at, all and this
Speaker 2: is one of those cases WHERE i think that there's
Speaker 2: a strong argument to that. Effect So, nujena can you
Speaker 2: talk about?
Speaker 4: That, Yeah Kara lapino gave extremely pro prosecution. Testimony in
Speaker 4: the way that she had presented. It the attorney would
Speaker 4: ask a question the, prosecutor she would respond and, say,
Speaker 4: Yes enteroll was.
Speaker 3: Included and then you all of a sudden get to.
Speaker 4: The very very very end and they really quickly sneak
Speaker 4: in a couple of lines Of terrell was excluded And
Speaker 4: Stefan BODDEN'S dna could not be. Excluded so When i'm
Speaker 4: talking to the, juror she, GOES i don't even really
Speaker 4: remember him being. Excluded it was so. Confusing there were
Speaker 4: a lot of numbers thrown. Out terrell seemed to be
Speaker 4: included in almost every mixture that they're talking. About it's
Speaker 4: absolutely insane and IF i was in the, JURY i
Speaker 4: would have thought the same.
Speaker 2: Thing the state's witness essentially muddy the waters of what
Speaker 2: was a pretty cut and DRY dna report that Excluded
Speaker 2: terrell from having ever held the. Gun but then There's Rokeem,
Speaker 2: henley the other guy who got shot that. Night his,
Speaker 2: testimony along with the ballistic evidence known at the time of,
Speaker 2: trial make it an actual impossibility That terrell could have
Speaker 2: been the.
Speaker 4: Shooter he does, testify and WHEN i asked him the
Speaker 4: same question WHEN i met with, him he, said the
Speaker 4: only person standing close To Jamal cruz Was. Boden SO i,
Speaker 4: said here's the. Discrepancy did you see who shot?
Speaker 3: You he said.
Speaker 4: NO i, said, okay, well ballistic evidence proves that the
Speaker 4: shot was made from near contact to eighteen inches, away
Speaker 4: and you are telling me that the only person standing
Speaker 4: near contact to eighteen inches away From Jamal cruz we
Speaker 4: Was Stefan. Bodden he, said, yes BUT i didn't see
Speaker 4: him shoot the. Gun it's kind of a confusing. Testimony
Speaker 4: you don't See steffan do, it but you also claim
Speaker 4: you did not See terrell. Outside you don't know Who terrell.
Speaker 4: Is the only time he Saw terrell was at. Trial
Speaker 4: so if rokeeem had never Seen terrell and the shot
Speaker 4: was made from near contact to eighteen inches, away it
Speaker 4: is impossible That terrell was the.
Speaker 2: Shooter, nevertheless the incentivized, witness the MUDDY dna, report and
Speaker 2: of course the testimony Of Detective matrasia with too much to,
Speaker 2: overcome And terrell was sentenced to two life sentences plus thirty.
Speaker 5: Years this is a free call From, roe an inmate
Speaker 5: at maximum security. Facility thank you for using. Securists you
Speaker 5: may start the conversation.
Speaker 2: NOW i Love, okay the investigators in Your, caseterrell it
Speaker 2: Was Detective atrasha And Detective, angelo, Right.
Speaker 6: Yeah Detective angelo was though he was the leader of the.
Speaker 6: Case matasha was the one that lied About jamal saying
Speaker 6: it was me at the show. Up so WHAT i
Speaker 6: was told was this from a lot of, lawyers and
Speaker 6: they all gave me the same. Answer you're in this.
Speaker 6: Situation they penned this on. You it's because you asked
Speaker 6: for your. LAWYER i asked my. Way that's not. Right they, said,
Speaker 6: yeah but you didn't tell them what they wanted to,
Speaker 6: hear and they threw it on. You jamal ain't, Here
Speaker 6: so you could cut any words in that man's if you,
Speaker 6: won't because you can't put him on a stand and
Speaker 6: cross examine. Him so what the cops. Do they go
Speaker 6: on the stand and they, think, no they, know they
Speaker 6: know that the jury look at them as. Superheroes the
Speaker 6: jury don't think that the cops are going to go
Speaker 6: on the stand and, lie and that's what they. Did
Speaker 6: And jamal ain't. Here now this is before this even
Speaker 6: going on With George. Floyd this wasn't like twenty, twelve twenty,
Speaker 6: Thirteen so around that time that climate was, like oh,
Speaker 6: no the publice ain't gonna lie on this, Kid.
Speaker 2: Torell you've gone through this insane. Nightmare everything that could
Speaker 2: go wrong has gone wrong so. Far but then comes
Speaker 2: the moment where the jury goes out and they come back.
Speaker 2: In did you think that they were going to find you?
Speaker 2: Innocent tell us about that.
Speaker 6: Moment they bring me down in the elevator to the court,
Speaker 6: room and they can just feel like the tension in
Speaker 6: the courtroom and the jury come in their faces are.
Speaker 6: Funny they SAID i was, guilty and then, everybody just my,
Speaker 6: family everybody was just like, nah he's in and say
Speaker 6: like they just went. Crazy i'm just sitting there like and.
Speaker 6: Shocked i'm in. Shock like everybody's standing. Up i'm the
Speaker 6: only one sitting down and what got me out of
Speaker 6: the chance As i've Seen Detective Angelo levon. Laughing SO i, said, yo.
Speaker 2: What you think this is?
Speaker 6: Funny they just looked at, me AND i looked At
Speaker 6: jamaal's family AND i turned around to. HIM i, SAID
Speaker 6: i didn't do this to your. SON i promise. YOU
Speaker 6: i promise. YOU i did not do this to your.
Speaker 6: SON i did not do. This they didn't get justice
Speaker 6: for your. Son they're lying to, you and they're just
Speaker 6: looking at me like in a. Shock everyone's going. Crazy
Speaker 6: so they're in that. Commotion i've seen the prosecutor like
Speaker 6: hugged the brother like like they wanted The Super, bowl
Speaker 6: smacking his back like, yeah, yeah we got. Him And
Speaker 6: i'm just looking at him like you're lying into this.
Speaker 6: Family like this is a big, lie like you just
Speaker 6: knowun an innocent kid, again they just want to take.
Speaker 6: CONVICTION i know they know why they do, it because
Speaker 6: the prosecutors do know when you see bogus, charges but
Speaker 6: you still go forward with it because you want a.
Speaker 6: Conviction they don't care.
Speaker 2: Yet, yeah they're thinking about their, future their, aspirations the
Speaker 2: way they can be, successful and they know that's by
Speaker 2: having a good conviction rate by and. Large but it's
Speaker 2: like it's some sort of six scoreboard and there are
Speaker 2: decent prosecutors out. There there's some really good ones, too
Speaker 2: but the ones that are willing to ignore evidence of
Speaker 2: innocence and prosecute clearly bogus cases like yours just to
Speaker 2: get another notch on their, belt just to move up
Speaker 2: the ladder Are they're a disgrace and they're actually a
Speaker 2: menace to public.
Speaker 6: Safety they use on that for the stepson to. Talk
Speaker 6: they want off family to make this family got. Them,
Speaker 6: yeah they just look at money sign like me, cattle.
Speaker 5: You.
Speaker 2: Know and as if this case couldn't get worse or,
Speaker 2: Weirder Stephan boden put out a. SONG i guess he
Speaker 2: was trying to rid himself of the guilt of skating
Speaker 2: on the murder rap and allowing his friend to rotten prison, right.
Speaker 3: He wrote this song Called letter To.
Speaker 4: Terrell it's really more of a guilt, trip saying things
Speaker 4: like we should have never went out to the club that.
Speaker 4: Night it's painful that you're in that. Cell it's painful
Speaker 4: on my, mother.
Speaker 2: And i'm sorry that you win that. Gym it's painful
Speaker 2: on my.
Speaker 4: Mother BUT i think about.
Speaker 2: You every day in. Life how is he out In
Speaker 2: terrell's in?
Speaker 4: Prison Stephan boden is now. Dead he was shot in
Speaker 4: a car shooting in twenty.
Speaker 2: Seventeen it's too. MUCH i, mean the good news is
Speaker 2: he's the only good news HERE i guess is that
Speaker 2: he's got a fantastic. Team now we've got some. Momentum
Speaker 2: can you talk about that new, evidence talk about his
Speaker 2: new lawyer and what lays.
Speaker 4: Ahead the original theory was if you hold a gun
Speaker 4: straight out in front of, you THE gsr or gunshot
Speaker 4: residue will fly back and hit the chest. Area AS
Speaker 4: i mentioned. Before, However Bob, Kando terrell's newer, attorney went
Speaker 4: ahead and looked at the trajectory of the bullets and
Speaker 4: he had a couple of questions about where the shot
Speaker 4: was actually made. From how is it possible That rokim
Speaker 4: didn't see the? Shooter how is it possible that If
Speaker 4: jamal gave a dying, declaration then he gave it to
Speaker 4: the wrong. Person and how is it possible that If
Speaker 4: stefan's the real, shooter we find only lead on. Him
Speaker 4: where are the other particles OF? Gsr So Bob kando
Speaker 4: goes ahead and puts in a request for other areas
Speaker 4: Of boden's clothing to be, analyzed including his cross and belt.
Speaker 4: Area lo and, behold they come back with more particles OF,
Speaker 4: gsr which ends up being huge. News putting together trajectory
Speaker 4: of the. Bullets putting TOGETHER, Gsr Stefan boden actually took
Speaker 4: the shots from right next to his. Belt he actually
Speaker 4: did not hold the gun straight. Ahead so if that
Speaker 4: were to, happen someone who's extremely intoxicated wouldn't be able
Speaker 4: to see the.
Speaker 3: Gun and WHEN i actually ended.
Speaker 4: Up speaking To rakim, LATER i, said, well you, know
Speaker 4: the new evidence really says that the gun was next to.
Speaker 4: Him he, responds he, goes, oh that might explain. It
Speaker 4: so that might explain Why rakem didn't see That stephan shot,
Speaker 4: Him so that's very. Exciting and with this new, evidence
Speaker 4: with the new affidavit that we have, written new eyewitnesses
Speaker 4: who are coming, forward family members Of Stephan boden who
Speaker 4: are coming forward and, SAYING i Know stefan did. It
Speaker 4: he told me multiple. Times we are taking all of
Speaker 4: this And bob is pushing for a hearing In september
Speaker 4: with emotion for new, trial and we're hoping that we
Speaker 4: can Get terrell home very.
Speaker 2: Soon and that leads to what happens now and what
Speaker 2: can people?
Speaker 4: DO a mini documentary came out About Terrell.
Speaker 3: Barrows please check it. Out the title of it is on.
Speaker 4: YouTube it's Called making An exonery twenty twenty dash The
Speaker 4: story Of Terrell. Barrows and then that you'll really see
Speaker 4: everything that we outlined throughout this entire, podcast as well
Speaker 4: as getting to hear from people who heard From steffan
Speaker 4: himself that he did. It and then there's also a
Speaker 4: change dot org petition that sends a letter to the,
Speaker 4: governor who has been pretty vocal, about you, know THE
Speaker 4: blm movement and everything that's happening right, now so we're
Speaker 4: hoping that she'll also hop onto this change dot org
Speaker 4: slash Free. Terrellbarrow so it's changed dot org slash Free Terrell.
Speaker 2: Barrows our wonderful producers have put the link in the
Speaker 2: podcast description so you can just scroll down on whatever
Speaker 2: platform you're listening. To please share it on social. Media
Speaker 2: tell people listen to the, episode watch the video content
Speaker 2: that's out. There we can win. This so now this
Speaker 2: is the part WHERE i get to thank our guests
Speaker 2: in this, case Or Jenna, handy thank you for being,
Speaker 2: here and of Course Terrell, Barrows we're here for. You
Speaker 2: i'm going to fight for, you and thank you as
Speaker 2: well for sharing your thoughts with. Us Now i'm going
Speaker 2: to turn off my, microphone pick back in my chair
Speaker 2: and Let Doorgena handy share her final thoughts in the
Speaker 2: segment we call closing.
Speaker 3: Arguments terrelle is an amazing.
Speaker 4: MAN i could go on and on about who he
Speaker 4: is as a, person the character that he, has and
Speaker 4: the change that he will make when he is brought.
Speaker 4: Home and it has been such an honor to be
Speaker 4: in his, life to be in his mother's, life to
Speaker 4: be in his attorney's. Life And i'm hoping that we
Speaker 4: can Prove terrell's inn his and bring him home to his,
Speaker 4: mom to his, family and to society where he belongs
Speaker 4: and WHERE i am one thousand percent sure that he
Speaker 4: was going to make a. Difference this is not the
Speaker 4: end and it's definitely not the. Beginning this story With
Speaker 4: terrell has happened many times in the past and unfortunately
Speaker 4: will continue to happen unless people like, me like You,
Speaker 4: jason come together and Bring terrell.
Speaker 2: Home and now over to You terrell, again thank you
Speaker 2: for being, here and thank you for your courage and your.
Speaker 2: Spirit hang in. There we're all out here rooting for
Speaker 2: you and more importantly fighting for. You so now over
Speaker 2: to you for closing.
Speaker 6: ARGUMENTS i just want to thank everybody for, listening AND
Speaker 6: i want to start OFF i think And jason for
Speaker 6: give me this platform to explain my. Situations we need
Speaker 6: people Like jason Mob, Power Madi tank with The georgetown
Speaker 6: students And Jean I'm Leo. Caroline they are fighting so
Speaker 6: hard for. Me my, Attorney Robert, kando just want to
Speaker 6: thank him for being there for me and really really
Speaker 6: fighting for me because he Knows i'm really. Innocent you.
Speaker 6: KNOW i also got to think the two main women
Speaker 6: in my, wife my mother And Ann. Lisia if it
Speaker 6: wasn't for An lisa reaching out to my out with,
Speaker 6: that none of this right, now this, interview the, documentary the,
Speaker 6: petition none of this would be going on right now
Speaker 6: because it wasn't for. HER i want to thank my
Speaker 6: mother for always being there for. Me her strength is
Speaker 6: WHERE i get it. From but right, Here i'm innocent
Speaker 6: and she told me to, fight, fight fight UNTIL i
Speaker 6: get my. Freedom but the post conviction aren't coming, up
Speaker 6: And i'm fighting for a new child And i'm fighting for.
Speaker 6: FREEDOM i need your. HELP i just need as much
Speaker 6: people to sign this.
Speaker 5: Petition you have one man at.
Speaker 6: Left its spread the word. Allies there's a lot of
Speaker 6: us in here that are, voiceless AND i am blessed
Speaker 6: to have the. FAMILY i have to have this voice
Speaker 6: to speak because it's given me a platform to speak
Speaker 6: for the voiceless in this. PRISON i feel like people
Speaker 6: are playing in my life for a. REASON i know
Speaker 6: That i'm gonna get out of jail AND i gotta
Speaker 6: fight on the front line for people that are innocent
Speaker 6: in present because it has to. Stop these props need
Speaker 6: to be held a. Poundable they're not just killing us
Speaker 6: in the. Streets they're killing us in these courts and
Speaker 6: there's no consequences when they do. It they need to be.
Speaker 6: Accomplished too many people in the prison, system what their
Speaker 6: life took in the thought they didn't do it has to.
Speaker 2: Stop don't forget to give us a fantastic. Review wherever
Speaker 2: you get your, podcasts it really. Helps And i'm a
Speaker 2: proud donor to The Innocence project AND i really hope
Speaker 2: you'll join me in supporting this very important cause and
Speaker 2: helping to prevent future wrongful. Convictions go To Innocence project
Speaker 2: dot org to learn how to donate and get. Involved
Speaker 2: i'd like to thank our production, Team Connor hall And Kevin.
Speaker 2: Wartis the music in the show is by three TIME
Speaker 2: oscar nominated Composer Jay. Ralph be sure to follow us
Speaker 2: On instagram At Wrongful conviction and On facebook At Wrongful Conviction.
Speaker 2: Podcast Wrongful conviction With Jason flamm is a production Of
Speaker 2: lava For Good podcasts and association With Signal Company number
Speaker 2: one