Speaker 1: We initially released Terrell Barrows's story on June twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty based on newly discovered evidence and witnesses. His
Speaker 1: conviction was vacated and he was released on bail on
Speaker 1: August fifteenth, twenty twenty three, right into the arms of
Speaker 1: his mother. I remember getting the call from his advocate,
Speaker 1: Nurjana Hindy, one of the former students with Georgetown's making
Speaker 1: Alexander Ree class, and I think I I think I
Speaker 1: almost passed out. Honestly, I was so excited and I'm
Speaker 1: so happy to hear the good news, and we hope
Speaker 1: that now Rhode Island will do the right thing and
Speaker 1: dismiss all the charges. Here's our original coverage from when
Speaker 1: Terrell was still on the inside. August twenty six, twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: started off as a relatively normal night. Terrell Barrows was
Speaker 1: at Monet Lounge in Providence, Rhode Island, with Stephan Boden
Speaker 1: and some other friends. In disagreement ensued between Stephan and
Speaker 1: two other clubgoers, Rokeem Henley and Jamal Cruz, but the
Speaker 1: tension didn't boil over until later in the parking lot.
Speaker 1: See Stefanboden wanted his cigarettes and he would ask Torell
Speaker 1: for his car keys because that's where they were, So
Speaker 1: he left ahead of the group, and as fate would
Speaker 1: have it, who was parked right next to Terrell, but
Speaker 1: Jamal and Rokeem, who were now ominously approaching. Terrell and
Speaker 1: the rest of his friends, though, were just arriving on
Speaker 1: the scene and trying to avoid the drama, So Terrell
Speaker 1: made for the driver's side door, and then gunshots. Terrell
Speaker 1: quickly ducked into the driver's seat and Stephan bod jumped
Speaker 1: into the passenger side. Seconds later, the cops were at
Speaker 1: the car and they saw Stepan trying to hide the gun.
Speaker 1: Stepan confessed on the spot to the shooting as both
Speaker 1: men were cuffed. An intoxicated and mortally wounded Jamal Cruz
Speaker 1: had put his head down when shown Terrell a far
Speaker 1: cry from an identification, but that didn't stop a detective
Speaker 1: from testifying a trial about a quote unquote dying declaration.
Speaker 1: The state even ignored Stephan Boden's immediate and uncoerced confession,
Speaker 1: forging blindly ahead to ultimately send Torell to prison, where
Speaker 1: he remains to this day, serving two consecutive life sentences
Speaker 1: plus thirty years. This is Wrongful Conviction with Jason Flomm.
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Speaker 1: with Jason Flom. Today we're going to be discussing the
Speaker 1: really troubling case of Terrell Barrows, who was wrongfully convicted
Speaker 1: of a shooting in which one person was killed and
Speaker 1: another was badly injured. And with us today we have
Speaker 1: a student at Georgetown who's been doing incredible work investigating
Speaker 1: his case under the leadership of my friend, Professor Mark Howard.
Speaker 1: So Nurgenna Hendy, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jason.
Speaker 1: The Georgetown class that Nurgenna is a student in is
Speaker 1: taught by Mark Howard and a name that you'll recognize
Speaker 1: from being on our show more than once. Marty Tankleff,
Speaker 1: and of course this class was directly responsible for the
Speaker 1: exoneration of Valentino Dixon. If you haven't heard his episode,
Speaker 1: please go back and listen to it. It's extraordinary. So
Speaker 1: we hope to be hearing from Terrell Barrows very soon.
Speaker 1: Of course, in this COVID time that we're in, it's
Speaker 1: very hard to get to the phones in prison, but
Speaker 1: we will be discussing his case and hopefully hearing from
Speaker 1: him as the podcast progresses. So let's go back to
Speaker 1: twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: Back in August of twenty twelve, Terrell Barrows and a
Speaker 2: group of friends headed out to Monet Lounge in Providence,
Speaker 2: Rhode Island. While they're in the club, there's some sort
Speaker 2: of verbal altercation between Terrell's group and a couple of
Speaker 2: members of another group, including the two that got shot.
Speaker 2: One was Rokeem Henley, who got shot in the leg
Speaker 2: and who I spoke with a couple of times over
Speaker 2: the past few months, and then Jamal Cruz who ended
Speaker 2: up dying that night. But Terrell wasn't a part of
Speaker 2: that verbal altercation. It was stuff in Boden who was
Speaker 2: and so a name was called Someone's hat got tapped
Speaker 2: off their head and then no one really stays. There's
Speaker 2: not a physical altercation at all. Later on in the night,
Speaker 2: Stephan Bowden asked Terrell. He goes, hey, let me get
Speaker 2: the tack to go get your car keys. So as
Speaker 2: he's heading over, there is another car that is parked
Speaker 2: bumper to bumper with Terrell's car, and it just happens
Speaker 2: to be the car of Jamal Cruz. Stephen thought that
Speaker 2: Jamal and roe Keem were coming to cause problems when
Speaker 2: reality they were just walking to their car. Stefan grabs
Speaker 2: the gun and you know, witnesses say he told them
Speaker 2: don't come any closer. And at this point Terrell starts
Speaker 2: heading over to his car with his group of friends.
Speaker 2: Terrell is about ten to fifteen feet away from Stefan
Speaker 2: Bowden and Jamal Cruz, which is where all eyewitnesses placed
Speaker 2: him as well, and he's actually walking to get to
Speaker 2: the other side of his car to hop in the
Speaker 2: driver's seat because he knows that there's trouble about to
Speaker 2: happen he doesn't want to be a part of it.
Speaker 2: He hears two gun shots, he jumps into the driver's
Speaker 2: seat and almost immediately Stefan jumps into the passat and
Speaker 2: the cops are there to arrest them.
Speaker 1: And there's more to this too, because when Stephan jumped
Speaker 1: into the passenger seat, he had it sort of a
Speaker 1: moment of self awareness right where he started apologizing to
Speaker 1: Terrell for sort of involving him in this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. At this point, the arresting officers are
Speaker 2: on either side and the gun is still with Stephan Bowden.
Speaker 2: He is caught concealing the gun in the passenger side door,
Speaker 2: and Stefan actually confesses on the scene. He said it's me.
Speaker 2: It's all me, It's all mine. Yet they are both arrested,
Speaker 2: taken to a paddy wagon, and then there's a show
Speaker 2: up that is done. Now they spoke with a couple
Speaker 2: of jury members who told me this is what caused
Speaker 2: us to believe Terrell is guilty. So in the show ups,
Speaker 2: they bring Stephan over to Jamal, who was in critical
Speaker 2: condition on the floor, extremely intoxicated, and they say, is
Speaker 2: this the man that shot you? And Jamal looks away.
Speaker 2: Apparently when they bring over Terrell, Detective Matrasia says, Jamal.
Speaker 1: Nods, that's what they say he did. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if he nodded or not. He was in no position
Speaker 1: to make any identification of anyone, and we still don't
Speaker 1: know if he did. It's not like he stuck his
Speaker 1: finger out and went, yeah, that's the guy who shot me.
Speaker 1: Then he's out right, that's not what happened.
Speaker 2: They actually did not even do a show up identification
Speaker 2: with the other guy, Rokeim Henley, who was shot and
Speaker 2: he was not in critical condition.
Speaker 1: They also didn't bother to swab the hands of either
Speaker 1: Terrell or Stephan, right, that would be so critical to
Speaker 1: figuring out who did or did not commit this horrible crime.
Speaker 2: And Jason, I think it was clear to arresting officers
Speaker 2: this had to have been Stephan. It was in his hand,
Speaker 2: he confesses. That's probably why they didn't even swab their hands.
Speaker 2: And then you know, somehow the story gets twisted and
Speaker 2: it's now in Terrell because of what they call a
Speaker 2: dying Ducktionterrell Owas says, he goes, there were two lives
Speaker 2: lost that night, Mine and Jamal Cruz. And I feel
Speaker 2: bad because Jamal Cruz didn't get justice.
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Speaker 1: I love Heyterrell, thanks for calling in. I know we
Speaker 1: have limited time, so this woul get right to it.
Speaker 1: Can you take us back to the awful night of
Speaker 1: this crime and give us your perspective having lived through
Speaker 1: this night, Mary yourself.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: Back at that night and the two dudes approached, you know,
Speaker 4: we're talking to Stuffan about something. The problem wasn't with me,
Speaker 4: so we went outside in the front of the club,
Speaker 4: Stephond one of my keys, to go get it figures.
Speaker 4: So when we go to the top, the two dings approaching.
Speaker 4: So I see them two dudes. I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 4: here we go. So I try to down to go
Speaker 4: with Javiside on the car. Then I hear shots, so
Speaker 4: I just run into my car. Since I run in
Speaker 4: my car, Pp is like on us, he had the
Speaker 4: gun on me. He put your hands on stading wheel.
Speaker 4: I put my hands on standing wheel and he keeps
Speaker 4: on saying it, but he's talking to Stepan, So he
Speaker 4: puts his hands on the standing wheel and he's like, yo,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I love y'all, love you. The
Speaker 4: police officers hopping up and he's like oh yo, the
Speaker 4: passions has got the gun. So as soon as he
Speaker 4: opens up the door, Stephan says, it's me. It's all me,
Speaker 4: It's all mine. He's like it's shoot. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's me. So when he took him out, he's already
Speaker 4: hear come from the other cop that had the gun
Speaker 4: on us. He comes. He flashed the cuffs on the wrist,
Speaker 4: my wrists and slings me on the floor. Brings it
Speaker 4: back to the paddy wagon. There's a guy that was shot.
Speaker 4: I didn't know no one was shot. I could see
Speaker 4: blood every this dude's hurt. So this dude shot in
Speaker 4: the chest, and this dude's like doing a show up
Speaker 4: with this guy shot in the chest, asking him this
Speaker 4: sin decend to shin. The guy just looked at me
Speaker 4: and put his head down. He didn't say nothing, he
Speaker 4: didn't do nothing. He ain't saying nothing. He just put
Speaker 4: his head down. So then they had put me back
Speaker 4: into patty wagon. They bring me back to the station,
Speaker 4: and they bring back the station and you know they
Speaker 4: do the mob shot the finger prints, whether they got
Speaker 4: me to a room or two detectives. I asked for
Speaker 4: my lawyer to touch his angelo Levon was the lead
Speaker 4: detect He was the one that questioned me the first
Speaker 4: time in the first night. So he's like, oh, you
Speaker 4: know he wants cigarette. You want a cigarett. I'm like no.
Speaker 4: He's like, you want a water. I'm like no. And
Speaker 4: he kept on chrying to talk to me, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I want my lawyer. I want my lawyer. I want
Speaker 4: my lawyer. So he leaves the room and he comes
Speaker 4: back and he brings back to hold himself. So it's
Speaker 4: one of the times I'm like, yo, I'm banging on
Speaker 4: the door. Cop comes. He's like, O what you're banging.
Speaker 4: Don'm like, I want my phone call. He's like phone call.
Speaker 4: I'm like yeah. He's like, are you gonna play? Phone
Speaker 4: calls were up going. I'm like, where am I going.
Speaker 4: He's like, You're gonna kill What the hell? They bring
Speaker 4: me in the bus they chance put me there and
Speaker 4: I find out one day the raiment and I'm getting
Speaker 4: charge with murder. I go up into the courtroom had
Speaker 4: a split up. Stephan was on the left side on
Speaker 4: the right side, so they reach stuff in his charges
Speaker 4: seven bolroom possession of firearm, and that was that. He
Speaker 4: goes with Crell Barrow's first degree murder. I'm like, they
Speaker 4: charge me with murder. I'm Paul is showing everything I love.
Speaker 4: I did not do it. He admitted it on the
Speaker 4: scene to the prop That's the part I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I don't understand it either, because it should have been
Speaker 1: over right then and there.
Speaker 4: They told me I got to get up the phone.
Speaker 3: Okay, the caller has hung up.
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Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts. I have never and may never again
Speaker 1: hear of a case in which the actual shooter skates
Speaker 1: on the charges after confessing on the scene. Right, I mean,
Speaker 1: at that point, this should be a very short podcast.
Speaker 1: That should be the end of it. I mean, this
Speaker 1: would be funny, except it's so freaking serious. Right, And
Speaker 1: this is the system that we all rely on day
Speaker 1: in and day out. I'd like to believe that we
Speaker 1: have people who are doing the job that they're paid
Speaker 1: to do. But in this case, it's absolutely true. It
Speaker 1: failed society, it failed the victim, It failed to rell
Speaker 1: and that's what we're here to talk about. And then
Speaker 1: it gets weirder because then you start with the eyewitness.
Speaker 1: The only eyewitness is a guy named Gregory's or Obedient,
Speaker 1: and he initially claims he didn't see the shooting and
Speaker 1: then changed his testimony six days before the trial to
Speaker 1: say he saw to Rell do it. We have a
Speaker 1: document signed by the assist Attorney General promising not to
Speaker 1: charge him for perjury should he alter his testimony. That's
Speaker 1: maybe just a little bit of a red flag there.
Speaker 1: Now get this, Okay, this Gregory's or Obedient guy had
Speaker 1: well let's just call it an extensive criminal history, but
Speaker 1: that might not even be doing a justice. So his
Speaker 1: rap sheet went back thirty years. It included convictions not arrest,
Speaker 1: convictions for living off the earnings of a prostitute, grand larceny,
Speaker 1: dui causing death, cocaine possession, burglary, theft, escape, and that's
Speaker 1: just the beginning. So do we think that after doing
Speaker 1: all these other things he's done, he might be willing
Speaker 1: to lie in exchange for a deal? I would say
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good likelihood. And then let's get to
Speaker 1: Detective Charles Mtrasia. Do you want to take that one, Jenna.
Speaker 2: He was actually the one who claims that he saw
Speaker 2: Jamal Cruz nod when they brought over. Terrell asked ROCITYO,
Speaker 2: were you watching Jamal? He said, yeah, I was watching him.
Speaker 2: I said, did he not? He said no, he didn't
Speaker 2: do anything. So whither he did or did not is
Speaker 2: another story. But again, Jamal Cruz was under the influence
Speaker 2: of alcohol. He had a BAC of point one six ' two,
Speaker 2: which seems like a lot until we look at Rokem
Speaker 2: who had to actually hire BAC as well. And then
Speaker 2: both Stephan Andterrell were wearing white T shirts and darker pants.
Speaker 2: Out of the group that Terrell was in, he was
Speaker 2: not the only one with two long black braids. He
Speaker 2: just wasn't. It was a style. If you look at
Speaker 2: the pictures of his friend group, he's not the only
Speaker 2: one with two long black braids. And so out of
Speaker 2: a group of people wearing white shirts, dark pants, two
Speaker 2: long black braids, you're dying on the floor. And Detective
Speaker 2: Matrasia says, yeah, he nodded when we brought over Terrell.
Speaker 2: I mean, how unreal could that be? And so now
Speaker 2: we're moving into GSR testing.
Speaker 1: GSR stands for gunshot residue yep.
Speaker 2: And there are three particles of gunshot residue that they
Speaker 2: test for when they're looking at clothing. So when Stephan
Speaker 2: and Terrell were initially arrested, Stephan was pulled out of
Speaker 2: the car and he was slammed against the side of
Speaker 2: the car. When Terrell was arrested, he was pulled out
Speaker 2: of the car and slammed to the ground, so he
Speaker 2: actually had some dirt on his white shirt in a
Speaker 2: specific area. What they initially test was the chest area
Speaker 2: of both Terrell and of Stephan, because the theory is
Speaker 2: if someone is a shooter and they hold the gun
Speaker 2: straight ahead, that the gunshot residue will recoil and hit
Speaker 2: them in the chest area. So they talk about Steffan,
Speaker 2: they go, well, we found lead on Stepan, and they say, well,
Speaker 2: you also found lead on Terrell. So Terrell whispers to
Speaker 2: his attorney ask if they happened to find the lead
Speaker 2: where my shirt was dirty. They said yes, So it
Speaker 2: makes sense that that's the only place on his clothing
Speaker 2: where they found lead. So this is all the information
Speaker 2: they had in terms of GSR at trial, But there
Speaker 2: is more GSR evidence to which is part of what
Speaker 2: we are motioning for with the new hearing coming up.
Speaker 1: Well, we're on initials, right, we'll go from GSR to DNA,
Speaker 1: and the DNA report excluded to Ralp from having held
Speaker 1: the gun. So let's touch for a second on the
Speaker 1: DNA expert for the state, who we know was well,
Speaker 1: I mean, most, unfortunately, quote unquote experts are pro prosecution.
Speaker 1: In fact, the whole system is pro prosecution. Over eighty
Speaker 1: percent of judges are former prosecutors. So throughout the process
Speaker 1: there's a tilt towards prosecution, and the experts that you're
Speaker 1: seeing may not be objective at all, and this is
Speaker 1: one of those cases where I think that there's a
Speaker 1: strong argument to that effect. So Nujena, can you talk
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kara Lapino gave extremely pro prosecution testimony. In the
Speaker 2: way that she had presented it. The attorney would ask
Speaker 2: a question the prosecutor, she would respond and say, yes,
Speaker 2: Enteroll was included. And then you all of a sudden
Speaker 2: get to the very very very end and they really
Speaker 2: quickly sneak in a couple of lines of Terrell was
Speaker 2: excluded and Stefan Bodden's DNA could not be excluded. So
Speaker 2: when I'm talking to the juror, she goes, I don't
Speaker 2: even really remember him being excluded. It was so confusing.
Speaker 2: There were a lot of numbers thrown out. Terrell seemed
Speaker 2: to be included in almost every mixture that they're talking about.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely insane and if I was in the jury,
Speaker 2: I would have thought the same thing.
Speaker 1: The state's witness essentially muddy the waters of what was
Speaker 1: a pretty cut and dry DNA report that excluded Terrell
Speaker 1: from having ever held the gun. But then there's Rokeem Henley,
Speaker 1: the other guy who got shot that night. His testimony,
Speaker 1: along with the ballistic evidence known at the time of trial,
Speaker 1: make it an actual impossibility that Terrell could have been
Speaker 1: the shooter.
Speaker 2: He does testify, and when I asked him the same
Speaker 2: question when I met with him, he said, the only
Speaker 2: person standing close to Jamal Cruz was Boden. So I said,
Speaker 2: here's the discrepancy. Did you see who shot you? He
Speaker 2: said no. I said, okay, well, ballistic evidence proves that
Speaker 2: the shot was made from near contact to eighteen inches away,
Speaker 2: and you are telling me that the only person standing
Speaker 2: near contact to eighteen inches away from Jamal Cruz we
Speaker 2: was Stefan Boden. He said, yes, but I didn't see
Speaker 2: him shoot the gun. It's kind of a confusing testimony.
Speaker 2: You don't see Steffan do it, but you also claim
Speaker 2: you did not see Terrell outside. You don't know who
Speaker 2: Terrell is. The only time he saw Terrell was at trial.
Speaker 2: So if rokeeem had never seen Terrell and the shot
Speaker 2: was made from near contact to eighteen inches away, it
Speaker 2: is impossible that Terrell was the shooter.
Speaker 1: Nevertheless, the incentivized witness, the muddy DNA report, and of
Speaker 1: course the testimony of Detective Matrasia with too much to overcome,
Speaker 1: and Terrell was sentenced to two life sentences plus thirty years.
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Speaker 3: maximum security facility. Thank you for using securists. You may
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Speaker 1: I love Okay, the investigators in your Caseterrell, it was
Speaker 1: Detective Atrasha and Detective Angelo, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Detective Angelo was though he was the leader of
Speaker 4: the case. Matasha was the one that lied about Jamal
Speaker 4: saying it was me at the show up. So what
Speaker 4: I was told was this from a lot of lawyers,
Speaker 4: and they all gave me the same answer, y'all in
Speaker 4: this situation, they pin this on you. It's because you
Speaker 4: asked for your lawyer. I asked my way. That's not right.
Speaker 4: They said, yeah, but you didn't tell them what they
Speaker 4: wanted to hear, and they threw it on you. Jamal
Speaker 4: ain't here, So you could cut any words in that
Speaker 4: man's if you won't, because you can't put him on
Speaker 4: a stand and cross examine him. So what the cops do.
Speaker 4: They go on the stand and they think, no, they know,
Speaker 4: they know that the jury look at them as superheroes.
Speaker 4: The jury don't think that the cops are going to
Speaker 4: go on the stand and lie, and that's what they did.
Speaker 4: And Jamal ain't here. Now this is before this even
Speaker 4: going on with George Floyd. This wasn't like twenty twelve,
Speaker 4: twenty thirteen, So around that time that climate was like,
Speaker 4: oh no, the publice ain't gonna lie on this.
Speaker 1: Kid, Torell. You've gone through this insane nightmare. Everything that
Speaker 1: could go wrong has gone wrong so far. But then
Speaker 1: comes the moment where the jury goes out and they
Speaker 1: come back in. Did you think that they were going
Speaker 1: to find you innocent? Tell us about that moment.
Speaker 4: They bring me down in the elevator to the court room,
Speaker 4: and they can just feel like the tension in the
Speaker 4: courtroom and the jury come in their faces are funny.
Speaker 4: They said I was guilty, and then everybody, just my family,
Speaker 4: everybody was just like nah, he's in and say like
Speaker 4: they just went crazy. I'm just sitting there like and shocked.
Speaker 4: I'm in shock. Like everybody's standing up. I'm the only
Speaker 4: one sitting down and what got me out of the
Speaker 4: chance as I've seen Detective Angelo Levon laughing, So I said, yo,
Speaker 4: what you think this is funny? They just looked at me,
Speaker 4: and I looked at Jamaal's family and I turned around
Speaker 4: to him. I said, I didn't do this to your son.
Speaker 4: I promise you. I promise you. I did not do
Speaker 4: this to your son. I did not do this. They
Speaker 4: didn't get justice for your son. They're lying to you,
Speaker 4: and they're just looking at me like in a shock.
Speaker 4: Everyone's going crazy, so they earn that commotion. I've seen
Speaker 4: the prosecutor like hugged the brother like like they wanted
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl, smacking his back like yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 4: got him. And I'm just looking at him like you're
Speaker 4: lying too. This family, like this is a big lie,
Speaker 4: like you just found an innocent kid again. They just
Speaker 4: want to take conviction. I know they know why they
Speaker 4: do it, because the prosecutors do know when you see
Speaker 4: bogus charges, but you still go forward with it because
Speaker 4: you want a conviction. They don't care yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're thinking about their future, their aspirations, the way
Speaker 1: they can be successful, and they know that's by having
Speaker 1: a good conviction rate by and large. But it's like
Speaker 1: it's some sort of six scoreboard, and there are decent
Speaker 1: prosecutors out there. There's some really good ones too, but
Speaker 1: the ones that are willing to ignore evidence of innocence
Speaker 1: and prosecute clearly bogus cases like yours just to get
Speaker 1: another notch on their belt, just to move up the
Speaker 1: ladder are They're a disgrace and they're actually a menace
Speaker 1: to public safety.
Speaker 4: They use on that for the stepson to talk. They
Speaker 4: want off family to make this family got them. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they just look at money sign like me cattle, you know.
Speaker 1: And as if this case couldn't get worse or weirder,
Speaker 1: Stephan Boden put out a song. I guess he was
Speaker 1: trying to rid himself of the guilt of skating on
Speaker 1: the murder rap and allowing his friend to rotten prison right.
Speaker 2: He wrote this song called Letter to Terrell. It's really
Speaker 2: more of a guilt trip, saying things like we should
Speaker 2: have never went out to the club that night. It's
Speaker 2: painful that you're in that cell. It's painful on my mother.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry that you win that gym.
Speaker 4: It's painful on my mother.
Speaker 2: But I think about you every day in life.
Speaker 1: How is he out in Terrell's in prison?
Speaker 2: Stephan Boden is now dead. He was shot in a
Speaker 2: car shooting in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: It's too much. I mean, the good news is he's
Speaker 1: the only good news here I guess is that he's
Speaker 1: got a fantastic team. Now we've got some momentum. Can
Speaker 1: you talk about that new evidence, talk about his new
Speaker 1: lawyer and what lays ahead.
Speaker 2: The original theory was if you hold a gun straight
Speaker 2: out in front of you, the GSR or gunshot residue
Speaker 2: will fly back and hit the chest area. As I
Speaker 2: mentioned before. However, Bob Kando, Terrell's newer attorney, went ahead
Speaker 2: and looked at the trajectory of the bullets and he
Speaker 2: had a couple of questions about where the shot was
Speaker 2: actually made from. How is it possible that Rokim didn't
Speaker 2: see the shooter? How is it possible that if Jamal
Speaker 2: gave a dying declaration, then he gave it to the
Speaker 2: wrong person. And how is it possible that if Stefan's
Speaker 2: the real shooter, we find only lead on him. Where
Speaker 2: are the other particles of GSR? So Bob Kando goes
Speaker 2: ahead and puts in a request for other areas of
Speaker 2: Boden's clothing to be analyzed, including his cross and belt area.
Speaker 2: Lo and behold, they come back with more particles of GSR,
Speaker 2: which ends up being huge news. Putting together trajectory of
Speaker 2: the bullets. Putting together GSR, Stefan Boden actually took the
Speaker 2: shots from right next to his belt. He actually did
Speaker 2: not hold the gun straight ahead. So if that were
Speaker 2: to happen, someone who's extremely intoxicated wouldn't be able to
Speaker 2: see the gun. And when I actually ended up speaking
Speaker 2: to Rakim later, I said, well, you know, the new
Speaker 2: evidence really says that the gun was next to him.
Speaker 2: He responds, he goes, oh, that might explain it. So
Speaker 2: that might explain why Rakem didn't see that Stephan shot him,
Speaker 2: So that's very exciting. And with this new evidence, with
Speaker 2: the new affidavit that we have written, new eyewitnesses who
Speaker 2: are coming forward, family members of Stephan Boden who are
Speaker 2: coming forward and saying, I know Stefan did it. He
Speaker 2: told me multiple times. We are taking all of this
Speaker 2: and Bob is pushing for a hearing in September with
Speaker 2: emotion for new trial, and we're hoping that we can
Speaker 2: get Terrell home very soon.
Speaker 1: And that leads to what happens now and what can
Speaker 1: people do?
Speaker 2: A mini documentary came out about Terrell Barrows. Please check
Speaker 2: it out. The title of it is on YouTube. It's
Speaker 2: called Making an Exonery twenty twenty dash the Story of
Speaker 2: Terrell Barrows. And then that you'll really see everything that
Speaker 2: we outlined throughout this entire podcast, as well as getting
Speaker 2: to hear from people who heard from Steffan himself that
Speaker 2: he did it. And then there's also a change dot
Speaker 2: org petition that sends a letter to the governor, who
Speaker 2: has been pretty vocal about, you know, the BLM movement
Speaker 2: and everything that's happening right now, so we're hoping that
Speaker 2: she'll also hop onto this change dot org slash free Terrellbarrow.
Speaker 2: So it's changed dot org slash free Terrell Barrows.
Speaker 1: Our wonderful producers have put the link in the podcast
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Speaker 1: people listen to the episode, watch the video content that's
Speaker 1: out there. We can win this. So now this is
Speaker 1: the part where I get to thank our guests in
Speaker 1: this case, or Jenna Handy, thank you for being here,
Speaker 1: and of course Terrell Barrows, We're here for you. I'm
Speaker 1: going to fight for you, and thank you as well
Speaker 1: for sharing your thoughts with us. Now I'm going to
Speaker 1: turn off my microphone, pick back in my chair and
Speaker 1: Letnorgena Handy share her final thoughts in the segment we
Speaker 1: call closing arguments.
Speaker 2: Terrelle is an amazing man. I could go on and
Speaker 2: on about who he is as a person, the character
Speaker 2: that he has, and the change that he will make
Speaker 2: when he is brought home. And it has been such
Speaker 2: an honor to be in his life, to be in
Speaker 2: his mother's life, to be in his attorney's life. And
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that we can prove Terrell's inn his and
Speaker 2: bring him home to his mom, to his family, and
Speaker 2: to society where he belongs and where I am one
Speaker 2: thousand percent sure that he is going to make a difference.
Speaker 2: This is not the end and it's definitely not the beginning.
Speaker 2: This story with Terrell has happened many times in the
Speaker 2: past and unfortunately will continue to happen unless people like me,
Speaker 2: like you Jason, come together and bring Terrell home.
Speaker 1: And now over to you Terrell again, thank you for
Speaker 1: being here, and thank you for your courage and your spirit.
Speaker 1: Hang in there. We're all out here rooting for you
Speaker 1: and more importantly fighting for you. So now over to
Speaker 1: you for closing arguments.
Speaker 4: I just want to thank everybody for listening, and I
Speaker 4: want to start off I think and Jason for give
Speaker 4: me this platform to explain my situations. We need people
Speaker 4: like Jason mob Power, Madi Tank with the Georgetown students
Speaker 4: and Jean I'm Leo Caroline. They are fighting so hard
Speaker 4: for me. My attorney, Robert Kando, just want to thank
Speaker 4: him for being there for me and really really fighting
Speaker 4: for me because he knows I'm really innocent. You know.
Speaker 4: I also got to think the two main women in
Speaker 4: my wife, my mother and Ann Lisia. If it wasn't
Speaker 4: for a Lisa reaching out to my out with that,
Speaker 4: none of this right now, this interview, the documentary, the petition,
Speaker 4: none of this would be going on right now because
Speaker 4: it wasn't for her. I want to thank my mother
Speaker 4: for always being there for me. Her strength is where
Speaker 4: I get it from. But right here, I'm innocent and
Speaker 4: she told me to fight, fight, fight until I get
Speaker 4: my freedom. But the post conviction aren't coming up, and
Speaker 4: I'm fighting for a new child and I'm fighting for freedom.
Speaker 4: I need your help. I just need as much people
Speaker 4: to sign this petition.
Speaker 3: You have one minute left.
Speaker 4: Its spread the word allies. There's a lot of us
Speaker 4: in here that are voiceless, and I am blessed to
Speaker 4: have the family. I have to have this voice to
Speaker 4: speak because it's given me a platform to speak for
Speaker 4: the voiceless in this prison. I feel like people are
Speaker 4: playing in my life for a reason. I know that
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get out of jail and I gotta fight
Speaker 4: on the front line for people that are innocent in
Speaker 4: present because it has to stop. These props need to
Speaker 4: be held a poundable. They're not just killing us in
Speaker 4: the streets, They're killing us in these courts and there's
Speaker 4: no consequences when they do it. They need to be accomplished.
Speaker 4: Too many people in the prison system, what their life
Speaker 4: took in the thought they didn't do it has to stop.
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