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Speaker 1: camp exactly. Yeah, but it is beautiful out absolutely is Matt.

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Speaker 1: You sent me an article from the thirty third team.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. Dot com this is the one that

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Speaker 1: is run by Linda Texas name Mike Tannenbaum. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they got a bunch of dudes that were in the

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Speaker 1: league that contributed great. Cosel writes an article here and there.

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Speaker 1: They have a bunch of contributors. They have good work.

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Speaker 1: Uh So today Mike Tannembaum, of course, former Jet said GM, Dolphins,

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Speaker 1: GM as well rent tier the best offensive weapon groups

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. In two this would be wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: tight ends, and running backs. And I think this is

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Speaker 1: more and more important than ever. I mean, I grew

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Speaker 1: game changing receivers might be more important than a really

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Speaker 1: in that direction as well. So many receivers drafted early

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Speaker 1: the way they getting paid. Yeah, there are seven tiers here.

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Speaker 1: So tier seven is as we approached the last tier

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Speaker 1: lack of a true and proven wide receiver one. While

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Speaker 1: a lot of the young talent are present in this company,

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Speaker 1: There will be teams that could struggle due to their

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Speaker 1: dimensional on offensive times and can lack consistency. Those teams

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Speaker 1: are the Ravens. That's j K. Dobbins, Edwards or Shaw Bateman,

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Speaker 1: I mean? Like he plays six snaps here seventy? You know,

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Speaker 1: James Robinson is not starting over Najia Harris. No, Like

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Speaker 1: the Steelers are a hard team to put in any category.

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Speaker 1: the first six games this year? How many games are

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Speaker 1: a J Green is not Aj Green of five years.

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Speaker 1: the year's group though. The Bills with Devin Singletary, James Cook,

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Speaker 1: ally here with Matt Williamson and as I mentioned earlier today,

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Speaker 1: uh Arthur Moates and Wesley ler Chet sat down with

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Speaker 1: uh Gunner Rolschewski. Yeah, these new Steelers new what what

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Speaker 1: do you consider him? Wide receiver punt returner. I mean

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Speaker 1: they're obviously they're there in these situations. He's doing a

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Speaker 1: lot of receiver work, sure, and he's gonna go to

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver meeting room, I'm sure every day. But

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Speaker 1: I mean he's here for special teams. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you look at his career stats, he has nine

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Speaker 1: career catches, and that Patriots team was not loaded the

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Speaker 1: wide receivers. Yeah. I mean it was a small sample size,

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Speaker 1: but I was watching him a little bit just out

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Speaker 1: here running routes and catching passes and you can't help

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Speaker 1: but think Edelman and Welker and you know that type

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Speaker 1: of receiver. So I think he can do some of that.

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Speaker 1: But I think that's a break emergency only type of thing.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, he played defensive back in college, so

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Speaker 1: he had to make a transition, so you know, and

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Speaker 1: you're getting him now in year four. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: think he's I didn't hear much like a T J

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Speaker 1: Era Derek Watt where the offensive contributions are second. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about a guy whose average twelve point six

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Speaker 1: yards per punt return in his career. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean he's really good at it. I assume he'll

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Speaker 1: be a gunner on special teams too, and tackle when

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Speaker 1: all those things too. He's not just a return as

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Speaker 1: that defensive back background, right right right, yeah, So let's

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Speaker 1: hear what he had to say with the euler emots.

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Speaker 1: So here we go, lazy gentlemen. You hear the man

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Speaker 1: right there. Yes, indeed stealers, white receiver steals all pro

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Speaker 1: return man gonna oshefsky. Baby, talk to me. How are

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Speaker 1: you doing today? Man? It's great to wear the black

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Speaker 1: and gold. Now you look good in it, man, you

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Speaker 1: look real good in it. How are you adjusting to

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Speaker 1: the black and girl? I mean, obviously spent your past

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Speaker 1: couple of seasons up in New England. Yeah yeah, And

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Speaker 1: one thing that places taught me to pay attention. And

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Speaker 1: I got a great guy of pay attention to Mike

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Speaker 1: Tomlin and the staff he's put together in the veterans

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Speaker 1: around here. So it's like I'm a rookie again, like

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Speaker 1: I wasn't doing, and I just follow suit, follow guys

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Speaker 1: that laid the groundwork when the Black and goal. So

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Speaker 1: it's exciting. No, I like that you mentioned Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: I mean this is this is obviously an organization that

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Speaker 1: defines continuity. I mean, Kevin Colbert over twenty years with

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Speaker 1: the organization, Mike Tomlin, this is your sixteen that he's entering.

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Speaker 1: I believe in the organization, the Rooney family for decades

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Speaker 1: and decades and decades. I got to imagine that stability

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Speaker 1: probably feels similar to what you had in New England

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Speaker 1: and was part of what attracted you. And uh da've

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Speaker 1: built such a great organization here in uh Pittsburgh. And

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Speaker 1: for them to bring me in, a guy that they

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Speaker 1: wanted to come in me, that means a lot to

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Speaker 1: me because they know football and I appreciate what they

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Speaker 1: see in me, and I'm excited to work with him.

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Speaker 1: And now talking what about that cre agency part for

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Speaker 1: you as well? Man, in terms of why did you

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Speaker 1: decide to come to Pittsburgh. Man, I'm sure you had

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Speaker 1: other suitors and things like that, but what was it

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Speaker 1: about the Steelers that made them so attracted to you?

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin? That's it, you know? And how lucky am

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Speaker 1: I mean? I get to play for a great organization

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Speaker 1: in New England and then you know, it is what

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Speaker 1: it is. I'm with them no more. My loyalties are

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Speaker 1: all here. Don't make no mistake here. We go here,

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Speaker 1: we go let them know. Our listeners will like to

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Speaker 1: hear that. In the chance to play for Mike Tom,

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Speaker 1: I go from one of the best as another one

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Speaker 1: of the best, and I just am excited to soak

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Speaker 1: up the knowledge and learned. And it's it's awesome, man,

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Speaker 1: It's great to be here. You've had an interesting kind

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Speaker 1: of path, right. I believe he played corner in college,

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Speaker 1: I believe correct, and then to the NFL some wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: All Pro returner. Is that just something you've kind of

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Speaker 1: always proudly, you know, had taken pride in. Is that

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna find a way to have an impact out

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Speaker 1: here on football. I don't care if it's corner. I

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Speaker 1: don't care if it's wide receiver, special team football player.

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Speaker 1: And I try to when we're out here. O t

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Speaker 1: is it's all about improving your game on every level.

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Speaker 1: I'm working on block and running with the ball angles

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Speaker 1: to pursue. I've played on kickoff obviously catching points. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's I'm a football player at the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: And that's what That's what places like this pride in

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Speaker 1: its football players. They don't you know, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of like this guy only does this, it's guy only

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Speaker 1: does that. It's guys that can do a lot of

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Speaker 1: different stuff and that's what makes a good team. Now,

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Speaker 1: West obviously just alluded to the fact that you were very,

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Speaker 1: very dynamic and successful as a return man while you

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Speaker 1: were in New England being an All pro. So just

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Speaker 1: talk about, man, what do you feel you can bring

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Speaker 1: to the Steelers return game now, mean that you're here,

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Speaker 1: explosiveness and stability that balls in there, I'm gonna catch it,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to make the right play. And another

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Speaker 1: great guy I got to play for Danny Smith now

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Speaker 1: with the bubble gum Man. Yeah, and we've we've talked

531
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Speaker 1: ball for an hour and he obviously coaches things different

532
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Speaker 1: than what I've been coached before, but and in different

533
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Speaker 1: ways work, you know what I mean. So that's something

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Speaker 1: exciting see what he thinks. And he's asked me, which

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Speaker 1: I'm not using. He asked me what I like. You know,

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Speaker 1: that was a question I got asked very much. Um

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Speaker 1: So working with him and being a return man, it's

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Speaker 1: just it's the first play for the offense. So my

539
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Speaker 1: job is to give the ball the offense, whether it's

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Speaker 1: a fair catch or whether it's a eighty five yard

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Speaker 1: return for a touchdown. You know, that's that's that's the

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Speaker 1: goal every time is the first, first and tent for

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Speaker 1: us well. And like you said, there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of similarities even when you're talking about the significance of

545
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Speaker 1: special teams with both organizations New England they take special

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Speaker 1: things extremely serious. But as you can see now that

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Speaker 1: you're here, Yeah, it's a similar you know, philing vibe

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Speaker 1: to a man. And that's what I'm so excited to

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Speaker 1: come to a team like this. That's another thing that

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Speaker 1: alluded to me coming to Pittsburgh was I know they

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Speaker 1: take prod in special tim so where another you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna find my role here whatever that

553
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Speaker 1: may be. And it's there's gonna be a spot for me.

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Speaker 1: And like they appreciate the way guys work and that

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Speaker 1: and that's what I've always brought on myself on Let's

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Speaker 1: go Knaowsky with us here on Steelers Nation Radio. You

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Speaker 1: mentioned Danny Smith a moment ago Ye Moates and I

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Speaker 1: we love it. You know, we're fortunate enough we get

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Speaker 1: out of the studio and down here for for you know,

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Speaker 1: O T A S and you know, it's awesome, you know,

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Speaker 1: in training camp and all those different things too. And

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Speaker 1: we always I mean we joke, but it's it's true.

563
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Speaker 1: We love it when Danny Smith gets to operate. Now

564
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Speaker 1: there he's chomping on the public on the show. He's

565
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Speaker 1: screaming and yelling and running the show. Obviously for you,

566
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Speaker 1: you know, it's still in the earlier stages. But I

567
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Speaker 1: got to imagine he's a guy who's just a blast

568
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Speaker 1: to work with around. Yeah, and everybody, everybody gets your

569
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Speaker 1: time with Danny Smith. I don't care who you I've

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Speaker 1: seen him working with. I mean, he's coaching field something

571
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Speaker 1: he's been doing for everybody. So you know, he takes

572
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Speaker 1: so much pride and he says, you know, I'm doing

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Speaker 1: a good job. If Mike tom and just leaves me

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Speaker 1: alone so he don't want to talk, I don't want

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Speaker 1: I want to control this. If I don't hear nothing

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Speaker 1: from I'm doing a good job. So don Now, like

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Speaker 1: you said, man, this has been a couple of years

578
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Speaker 1: from you now in the league. We're going on a

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Speaker 1: year four Yeah, year four now great? Absolutely, So what

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Speaker 1: if that being the case, we've seen you know, you're

581
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Speaker 1: making some growth. We've seen you obviously emerged on the

582
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Speaker 1: special teams front, but what's the next step for you? Man?

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Speaker 1: How can we expect to see some more development from

584
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Speaker 1: you on the offensive side of the ball as well. Right,

585
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Speaker 1: there's personal goals that I have. Of course, I want

586
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Speaker 1: to get the ball any any any time I can,

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Speaker 1: because I think what I can do with the ball

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Speaker 1: is good. I can take care of it. And that's

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Speaker 1: stuff that I've learned and I'm trying to learn. Get

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Speaker 1: on the field and learning. You're still developing at the position,

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Speaker 1: and it's been three years. I'm not I'm not saying that,

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Speaker 1: but you can't give me that, Oh, he's a former corner.

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Speaker 1: I've played in the NFL. I haven't played much in

594
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Speaker 1: the game, but I played for three years practice receiver.

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Speaker 1: That's all I up there. So at this point I'm receiver.

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Speaker 1: And you can take rookie guys who play receiver their

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Speaker 1: whole life, and they're learning new pos and they're playing

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Speaker 1: NFL receiver. So I don't give myself no like, oh

599
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Speaker 1: I used to be this, I used to I came in.

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Speaker 1: I'm a receiver. I've been a receiver, so I'm trying

601
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Speaker 1: to improve my game in that aspect for sure. I

602
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Speaker 1: like that monster right there. That's a that's a unique

603
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Speaker 1: approach as well, because a lot of people do do

604
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Speaker 1: that they do here and they say, hey, man, I

605
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Speaker 1: haven't played this position throughout my career growing up, and

606
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Speaker 1: that's why I come back. It's football at the end

607
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Speaker 1: of the day, Like I played. I played dB, but

608
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Speaker 1: you catch the ball as at dB, and I always

609
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Speaker 1: returned points. I catched the ball and wrong with the ball.

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Speaker 1: Now it's just adding a route into it and reading

611
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Speaker 1: coverages and know on where you're supposed to be and

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Speaker 1: that's part of it. So it's exciting and sure is though.

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Speaker 1: I tell you you obviously had some experience with Mac

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Speaker 1: Jones last year in New England Steelers turning a page

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Speaker 1: as well at the quarterback position. Eighteen years of Ben Roethisburger.

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Speaker 1: He'll be in Canton in a few years. Um going

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Speaker 1: to be whoever ends up winning the job, it's going

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Speaker 1: to be the first time for that guy bing QB

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Speaker 1: one here in Pittsburgh. Mitch obviously had that experience in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: But does that change anything from your perspective out here

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Speaker 1: where there is still some uncertainty at the quarterback position

622
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Speaker 1: or just you know what is gonna be working in

623
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Speaker 1: a guy who hasn't been in the system for ten

624
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Speaker 1: years already. I'll tell it to you like this. I'm

625
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Speaker 1: here to play receiver. I'm in the receiver meetings. I've

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Speaker 1: run the routes that catch the ball, and whatever happens

627
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Speaker 1: with them, happens with them. I'm focused on doing my job.

628
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Speaker 1: And you know, no matter who you control, no matter

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Speaker 1: who it is, you know, I want to be in

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00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 1: the right spot for that guy every time I'm out there,

631
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Speaker 1: when I'm out there with Mason or Mitch or whoever else, Rabinsky,

632
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: all the all those guys. Yeah. Now, this offseason, man,

633
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: we've obviously made some additions to the wide receiver room,

634
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: you being one of them. We saw some of the

635
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Speaker 1: guys that we drafted, George Pickens, Colvin Austin. Man, just

636
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: talk about with that receiver room has been like since

637
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: you've been here, man, your report with the guys, and

638
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: if you've seen anyone you know, surprising you in a sense. Yeah,

639
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: I mean we've We've all come from different places and

640
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of a mixed pot and if you will,

641
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: of guys and it's been fun. We've been out to

642
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: eat a number of times and just hanging with each other. Um,

643
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: but everybody, everybody's learning kind of at the same curve

644
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: because not to lose too much. But the offense changed

645
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: a little bit, so even guys who were here, newer

646
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: offense for them too. So it's it's fun working with

647
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: all those guys and Coach Friz is a different kind

648
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: of coach and it's it's exciting to work with him

649
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: and learn all the stuff that he's got. He's a

650
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: former player, which always means something to guys in that room.

651
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: Not that you can't get coach, but guy who never played.

652
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 1: Its different though you hear things a little different from

653
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: the guy. So it's great to have him in the room.

654
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: And uh vets from all over. I mean, we got

655
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: guys from Baltimore, We got a guy who played with

656
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: Mitts in Chicago, you know. Um, so it's excited. It's

657
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: it's a fun room to be in. Last one I've

658
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: got for you, and we really appreciate the time with

659
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Speaker 1: us here. Texas guy Western Pennsylvania and Texas. Not a

660
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: ton of similarities, right. Weather is a little bit different,

661
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: cuisine is a little bit different. You guys have got

662
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: the good brisket and barbecue, sandwich sandwiches and French fries here.

663
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: One of the things, though, one thing that certainly isn't

664
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: common with Texas and Western Pennsylvania is just the absolute

665
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: love affair with football. Everyone loves it from the high

666
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: school level to the collegiate level to the pro level.

667
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: It's that Friday night, Saturday Sunday type thing. Have you

668
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: felt that being here? I've walked around Pittsburgh on the

669
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: weekends and had nothing to do. So when other football

670
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: game on Sunday, that's for people that that's w people

671
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: tune into. Playing in a city like that is awesome.

672
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: And what I did learn is all I have to change,

673
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: y'all is yeah, definitely boom. I'm ready to god. Hey, well,

674
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Speaker 1: Gunner man, that's all we have for you. Man. We

675
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: alrightly appreciate you taking some time and to kick it

676
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: with us today. Keep doing your thing out doing the film,

677
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: and we're definitely excited to see what you do for

678
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: is this season? Right appreciate that was Gunneral Schefski Steelers

679
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: a new punt returns specialist, maybe wide receiver, yeah, slash

680
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: special teamer. Gunner is gonna be a gunner. I'm sure

681
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: I think Danny Smith will love them. I mean, players

682
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: like that don't move the needle a lot to people

683
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: just kind of watching from afar, but they do inside

684
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: the building and they're very useful on game day. Yeah,

685
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: those those guys, you know, I know people look at

686
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: this one talk about all the time with Derek Watson,

687
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: Well are paying way over paying him to be a fullback, folks.

688
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: He's not just a fullback now, that's that secondary without

689
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: a doubt. And so you look at it the same

690
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: way you look at Gunnar Rolschewski, whereas he's he's a

691
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 1: punt returner, slash gun arounds. We had seven special teams

692
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: tackles last year for the Patriots. Um, you know, and

693
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: you can't just look at special teams tackles for the

694
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Speaker 1: effectiveness of a special teams player because the course of

695
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: the year. Yeah, and I talked a lot about it

696
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: last week. He said, you know, you don't know. You

697
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: may be playing a team on Sunday and you may

698
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: not want to kick the ball at all. To the

699
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: return guys, you're kicking everything, you're angling everything out of

700
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Speaker 1: bounds and you're making sure that you get a fair catch,

701
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: so there's no there's no opportunities there. And then on

702
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: on kickoffs you're kicking everything through the end zone because

703
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: you don't want that guy getting a return. So yeah,

704
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have any tackles that game, he said.

705
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: There there are teams that, uh he said that the

706
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: Steelers do it as well. Where you have a guy

707
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: who you know is a really good special teams player.

708
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: You kicked the ball away from that guy, you make

709
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: sure that he's doubled. Yeah, absolutely, Or if he is

710
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: a gunner, it might he catch a pass this year

711
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: from a punch you know, uh fake or something along

712
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: those lines. And you know this is a football outsiders

713
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: thing when they when they judge special teams units, they

714
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: almost if you if you listen to Aaron Shots or

715
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: any of those guys from a football siders are like, wow,

716
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: I know the Ravens and Patriots are gonna be top

717
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: four in our special teams rankings every year, and like,

718
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: so you grab someone from that organization. See there's are

719
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: good too usually, but grab someone that's been well coached

720
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: in all facets and that stress special teams more than

721
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: other teams. That has a lot of benefits. And I know,

722
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: and you can afford it under the cap over the years,

723
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: you know, and the Steelers have done this as well.

724
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: You keep five or six of those guys on your

725
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: roster just to play special teams. You know, Yes, they're

726
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: number one jobs. They can fill in in a pinch

727
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: on game days, and you know, if you're inside linebacker

728
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: goes down, but there there to play special teams. Yea.

729
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: And I do think he can fill in wide receiver

730
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: wise in a pinch, but he's gonna get a lot

731
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: of action on all four phases. And I always talking

732
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: about this too, like everyone thought like if you were

733
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator or a defensive coordinator and you only

734
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: had five core guys, right, best of luck with that.

735
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what Danny Smith gets week after week.

736
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: And sometimes one of your core guys gets cut because

737
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: you need a backup running back or whatever, like, hey,

738
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: that was my starting left tackle. You just cut you

739
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: Like that's important. So as many of those you can

740
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: give them is really a big deal. And someone that

741
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: could play all phases goes a long way. Absolutely absolutely.

742
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: But we're gonna take a break here is Matt Williamson.

743
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: I am Dale Lally. You're listening to a special edition

744
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: of the Drive. Here from the U p M. C

745
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: Rooney Sports Complex. We are live from the Steelers O

746
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: t A Sessions. We'll be back to wrap up the

747
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: show right after this. A couple of things here I

748
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: wanted to touch on before we ended up the show.

749
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: Cut earlier today, Naji Harris said that he came in

750
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: he wasighs twitter forty four pounds. Yeah, I wanted to

751
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: talk about that, glad you wrote up and he was

752
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: listed last year, I think at two thirty two or

753
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: something like that. Um and everybody makes is making a

754
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: big deal of this. In fact, I saw a story

755
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: it says Najia Harris admits he's playing more than in

756
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: a higher weight than Jerome or he's right now, he's

757
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: a higher weight than Jerome Bettis wasn't his prime well,

758
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: first of all, and utter bs, I can tell you

759
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: that for a fact, Jerome Bettist on his best day

760
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: didn't wait two d for pounds. I was gonna say

761
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: what Jerome was listed and what I saw him at

762
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: when I would get out of the car and the

763
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: parking lot. I think we're two very different things, and

764
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: I think the body types are slightly different. Right, So well,

765
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: Najia Harris apparently saw this stuff out there and and

766
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: just tweeted something out that said, I was to it.

767
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,959
Speaker 1: I played at two D forty pounds last year. Okay,

768
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: I mean first off listed numbers or nothing, folks. And

769
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: we've we've gone over this a hundred times over the years.

770
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: I can remember when when the Steelers moved Steve McClendon

771
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: to nose tackle in his listed weight was two two

772
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: pounds or something like that. People, well, he's too small

773
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: to play nose tackle. He's too small. He's never seen them.

774
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: So I went to Steve and I said, Steve, what

775
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: do you wear right now? He said different listed weights

776
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: or what they weighed at the combine. Yeah. People don't

777
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: update those things or whatever they want to be listed

778
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: that in the pros don't go to like ESPN dot

779
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: com or NFL dot com and do heights and weights.

780
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: And I always hate to do that, Like in my

781
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: ESPN days and a lot of places I've written for,

782
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: they're like, please put its heights and weights there. I'm like,

783
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: they're not real. I always don't put them in articles

784
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: on purpose if I can, unless my editor makes me,

785
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: because they're not at all accurate. That you know that

786
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: they were accurate is from there. It's the ones that

787
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: they take it there at the pro day and at

788
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: the combine, right, which a lot of times are ten

789
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: pounds less so they can run fast. Or if it's

790
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: a case of like a Kyler Murray ten pounds heavier

791
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: because I want to get two pounds for it, there's

792
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: a magic number. That doesn't mean that's they play at.

793
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: You know, you've used the James Ferrier example, a ton

794
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, like he's much different than what he was

795
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: listed at. Then keep him weight on. I know for

796
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: a fact, you know because I talked to him about it.

797
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: His last couple of years in the league. He played

798
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: Twitter fifteen pounds, yeah right, he was listening to two

799
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: thirties something And people would argue with me about don't

800
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: like I talked to the man. I asked him next

801
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: him and I looked at him and he looked like

802
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: me right right. And again, teams know these things, you know,

803
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: they know what they're No, we don't need to know

804
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: what the list of weight is. What's in there and

805
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: what they give the PR department. That's what they have

806
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: from the pro day or what they got from the college,

807
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: if the guy didn't have a pro day or exactly,

808
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: you know, those kind of things. But back to nausey immediately,

809
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: I think I said this last week is the first

810
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: thing I said to anyone when I walked into this

811
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,479
Speaker 1: building or on this practice field was I was staying

812
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: next to my pursuit and said, wow, nausey looks bigger

813
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: and stronger than I remember, and I'm out of every practice.

814
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, wow, and it's very impressive to look

815
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: at here. I mean, it's all good weight folks. And

816
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: he thought like, wow, he's been eating cheeseburger so the

817
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: last day, No, he looks like a ripped up beast.

818
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: That would I would hate to try to tackle in

819
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: any time. But I do think they're a conversation to

820
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: be had in that A lot of backs loved Bell

821
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: is a perfect example. They trim weight, they get quicker

822
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: as opposed to the other way around. I think that's

823
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: a case by case basis, though, you know what I mean,

824
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: Like Bell looked was sluggish year one, lost weight and

825
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: was a lot better. You know, if nausea comes out

826
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Speaker 1: here and looks slow, well, then I'd be concerned. Bell's

827
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: bell was more natural weight was that that he got

828
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: and he kind of got he let it slip. Well,

829
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Speaker 1: he didn't let it slip. They wanted him a two

830
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: pounds at Michigan State. Okay, So he was playing in

831
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: an unnatural way. He played it like to okay, okay,

832
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like he was sloppy. It was like

833
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: that's what they had asked him to do at the

834
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: college level. I mean, Harris is ripped up and very

835
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: thick and very strong and looks great. I don't know

836
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Speaker 1: what his ideal weight is. I mean I think you

837
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: can look at that a lot of different ways, especially

838
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: with the running back position. Well, he dropped ten pounds

839
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Speaker 1: one and then he gets hurt that you like, well,

840
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: that's because he dropped that power. So boy, he's quicker.

841
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: Didn't have the body armor. Yeah, i mean I don't

842
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 1: know the answer to that, but I'm sure he didn't

843
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: do it on his own and not you know, talk

844
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: to the Steeler strength staff for the running back coach

845
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: or coach Omblin. I mean, I'm sure this is by design. Yeah.

846
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 1: We had another question here, this coming from Kurt Miller

847
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: on on Twitter. I said, would love to hear your

848
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: opinions on this so many people saying a lot in Dion,

849
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: but I can't put a safety on this list. Over

850
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: means your or a d okay name the top three

851
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: defensive players in NFL history. This is the Sports Illustrated question. Yeah, well,

852
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor is gonna be He's number one for me.

853
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: He's gonna be on that list somewhere. And we had

854
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: a good conversation. It seems like many moons ago about

855
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: t J. Watt versus all time pass rushers to start

856
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: their career. Reggie White would be in consideration for me

857
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: because he's tight five to ninety. You know, he's a

858
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: little different than some of the others. I do think

859
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald's in the conversation back a few decades as well,

860
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: and throw Deacon Jones into that. Yeah, what if there

861
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: were sacks back then? You know that that I think

862
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: that's very apparent. You know, you talk about guys that

863
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: changed the rules of the game for and they changed

864
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: the rules of the game for Deacon Joe's. They took

865
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: the head slap away from him because he was just

866
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: devastating with it, Which brings me to Mel Blunt, which

867
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: team brings you to Melon Blunt, right, And I think

868
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: Woodson and Dion were elite corners. I don't think i'd

869
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: take any corner or cover man period over Blunt in

870
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: the history of the game. So I know that we're

871
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: not digging in analytics or salary cap wise, but there's

872
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: been a lot of great traditional second level linebackers in

873
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: the league too, And with all respect the Lambert and

874
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: even Ham would behind on my list, But I think

875
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: I would go Ray Lewis or Butt GISs as my

876
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: number one. True. Nobody talks about that his prime. I

877
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: thought he was the best defensive player maybe that I've seen,

878
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: and that's jun your sale m. It's a good one.

879
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he could come, he could cover, he could,

880
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: he could he was a beast run Yeah, I mean

881
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: he was just all over the field. But that that

882
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: four or five year period when he was in his

883
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: prime was as good as anybody I've seen. Yeah, it's

884
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: hard to argue with that. He's also an energy giver

885
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: to any defense. He you know, not that Lewis wasn't.

886
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: I mean he was. He was the one star of

887
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: that team that beat the Steelers in nine four to

888
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl. He was the only star

889
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: in that team. Yeah, yeah, and he was basically the

890
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: best defense player in the league there for a little while. Now,

891
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: that's a good one. I mean Joe Green of course

892
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: has to be mentioned. And you can his leadership, not

893
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: that Lewis wasn't a good leader, but I guess or

894
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: any of these guys too. But certainly it carries a

895
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: lot of weight as well. I don't know. I mean

896
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: blunt and lt I think is be where I start. Yeah, Taylor,

897
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: Taylor to me is is number one, is number one.

898
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: He's the best defensive player. Yeah, but I wouldn't fight

899
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: you on Aaron Donald No, and bi koit, Frank. I mean,

900
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: if you look at those first five or six years

901
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: of J. J. Watt's crew right, it's pretty strong. That's

902
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: why I didn't bring him up, because I think Donald

903
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: right was sustained it longer it was Donald verse JJ.

904
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: I think you have to give the Donald now because

905
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: he keeps doing it. But if you would ask me

906
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: three years ago, I would have said j J. You know,

907
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: just because it's similar. And then one followed kind of

908
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: like Rezki Lemieu, you know, like one just kind of

909
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: handed it over to the other. Yeah, just dominant dominant players. Um,

910
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: it's tough for a cornerback to be a dominant player

911
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: like that, though, it is because teams can just throw

912
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: away from you. Dion is pretty high on the list

913
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: though too. Yeah. I mean, I know everyone here preferred

914
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: Rod over Dion, and I get that in their different styles,

915
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: but I mean he would do battle with Jerry Rice

916
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: and Michael Irvin every stap like that's fretty darn good. Yeah,

917
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: I know he's he's a great player, and they've doubt

918
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: about it. A lot of great defensive players, a lot

919
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: of them have come through this building. Yeah, and unbelievable amount.

920
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: I guess if a taking the safety Ronny lots hard

921
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: to argue with corner of turn safety to you know, um,

922
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: just a great, great football player. I would probably to

923
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: this question or to this tweets you know, original question though,

924
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: I would probably build with big people. I mean, I'd

925
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: probably find a way to get Reggie White and Lawrence

926
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: Taylor and Aaron Donald on my team. And my back

927
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: seven is just good, not great. I'll live with that.

928
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: And the funny thing about the the Reggie White conversation

929
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: is a lot of people on that that we're around

930
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: that Eagles team at the time, so Jerome Brown was better. Yeah,

931
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,479
Speaker 1: I've heard that as well, or was on the verge

932
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: of being better, right, right right. And I also was

933
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: around wall Harris when I worked next door, and Walt

934
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: was with Reggie at Tennessee and said nobody was better

935
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: period and sence, nobody's better than that guy. Yeah, just

936
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: generational type players. But he was. But so I keep

937
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: bringing him up is because he was so big, because

938
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: he wasn't end but was two five. It's just strong.

939
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: Just throw guys out of the bar. And it's not

940
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: like I watched a ton of coaching tape on Bruce Smith,

941
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: but they ran a three four or they ran a

942
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: three man front, and he was not the edge kai

943
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, so he did a lot more

944
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: dirty work than people realized too. It was a little

945
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: bigger than people realized too. Yeah, you know, I mean

946
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: there's some great ones, Yeah, really great ones. It's tough

947
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 1: to just pick three. Three is a really tough number,

948
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: Like I would start with LT though I'll give you

949
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 1: ten ones and you know, rank him and whatever whatever

950
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: we do you like, But that's a tough question. But

951
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: I hope, we hope we gave you some clarity on

952
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: that one. If I take three Ago and LT. Blunt

953
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: and I think Donald. I think Donald at this point

954
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 1: in his career on that list, somewhere over Joe Green's

955
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: hard It's hard, yeah, or over Reggie Year. You know,

956
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: when you consistently be the you know, in the in

957
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: the top three for the defensive player of the year

958
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: over a decade, over a decade, right, I mean at

959
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: that position, getting triple tea into time and time again.

960
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: Just just a home record, yeah, uh, it was. That's

961
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: gonna do it for to a show. So for my

962
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: partner Matt Williamson, I am Dale Lally. We are live

963
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,280
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964
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,759
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965
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,719
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966
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: next week we'll have the actual minicamp, which will be

967
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: mandatory for everybody Andy, for us to be here and

968
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