1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to River Cafe Table four, a production of iHeartRadio 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: and Adam II Studios. 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: Over the last year, I've been lucky enough to sit 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: down with forty six guests at River Cafe Table four. 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: We've talked about food and family, taste and memory. We've 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: read recipes and swaps stories of dining out around the world, 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 2: from the grandest Michelin start restaurants to canteens, bars and 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: market cafes. The restaurant I know best is, of course, 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 2: the River Cafe, and so to begin this episode, I'm 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: stepping behind the pass to talk to executive chefs Sean 11 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: Winowen and Joseph Travelli, friends and colleagues. We've been cooking 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: together for over twenty years. This is just about how 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: immediate your performance is judged in a restaurant. 14 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 3: Chef's a judge as soon as they walk into the kitchen. 15 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 3: Judge a chef by the chef's trousers they wear even 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: or if they come in a jacket that's not clean 17 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: or tied neatly, And how you present yourself before you've 18 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 3: even picked up your knife, which people are judging you 19 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: by your knife quietly even though I don't believe in 20 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 3: the what your knife says about you, per se. But 21 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 3: a lot of chefs will just have a little look 22 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 3: at someone's knife before they've even chopped anything. 23 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: When a new chef comes. When you've interviewed someone, and 24 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: you know, I always used to say, what books do 25 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: you read? Michelle Rue used to say, make me an omelet, 26 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 2: But what do you look for in terms of somebody 27 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: coming for a job here? 28 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 3: If we interview people together, that we try and put 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 3: them off because some people come with they have maybe 30 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 3: a law degree or they've done a degree in dark 31 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: medicine y we have, and we're like, okay, so you know, 32 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 3: you have to stand up for a living. You know, 33 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 3: you have to work nights, you have to work weekends. 34 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: It's shift work. If you love cooking, you can always 35 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: cook at home. And then if you're really, really, really 36 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: really really set on it, then you know, because some 37 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: people think, my god, you could earn a fortune being 38 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 3: a lawyer. I look for people that I think will 39 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: fit into the team because if someone wants to learn, 40 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 3: we can teach anyone to cook. 41 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 2: We also talked about Rose Gray. We founded the River 42 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: Cafe together in nineteen eighty seven. She was my closest 43 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: friend and a brilliant cook. 44 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: I remember meeting Rose on my first day and she 45 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: said something I always quote still said, I'll teach you 46 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: to slice a piece of preciuto the perfect thickness. I'll 47 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 3: teach you to cook pilotti beans perfectly. I'll teach you 48 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: the art are simple cooking. And I remember thinking that 49 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 3: sounds easy, but actually that is the essence of the 50 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 3: River Cafe, isn't it. Simplicity and the understanding of simplicity, which, 51 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: as I've worked with Ruthie over the years, I've never 52 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 3: understood it more than watching you and how you take 53 00:02:59,000 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 3: one thing more away. 54 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: I remember one time we'd had a huge lunch in Tuscany, 55 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 2: and then we drove to Piermonte and we went out 56 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 2: to dinner and there was I remember there was again 57 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: a grand dinner and I sat next to it, and 58 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: I remember when the fifth course came out, I just 59 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: started to cry. I literally started, I can't take this anymore. 60 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: That's too much, and she was just, you know, there 61 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: she was, come on, Rogers, Rogerina, she used to call me. 62 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 4: Next. 63 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: She was very much her own person, I think in 64 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: terms of what she chose to do and fiercely loyal 65 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: and fiercely proud. 66 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 5: I was. 67 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: You know, we used to get into a taxi in 68 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: Paddington in the early early days and she just said 69 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: to the driver River Cafe, and I say, I hope 70 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: this guy knows where the River Cafe those days going 71 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: to be rude, and she was. 72 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 6: Really, she's such a character. 73 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 7: I met Rose Gray in New York Tracy in the eighties, 74 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 7: and I remember going to Nell's Campbell, who's friend of mine, 75 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 7: Australian knock at her nightclub, and about three in the morning, 76 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 7: she said, Darling Litsky Row, are you hungry? And you 77 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 7: think three in the morning, but yes, of course I 78 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 7: am nell Lytsky. This is wonderful. Lady's gonna make us 79 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 7: something to eat. And Rose was so quiet, and she 80 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 7: started bringing out these little samples of things that were 81 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 7: so divine. 82 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 8: I'm like, wow, Rose, amazing. 83 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 7: And we just all sat and talked and you know, 84 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 7: were saying those things like you should have your own 85 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 7: restaurant here, You're brilliant. 86 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: That's how it all started. She was with Nell and 87 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: it Nell's in New York, and then when Rose decided 88 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: to come back, that's when we started the River Cafe. 89 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: I called her up and said, I think there's this 90 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 2: little site in the middle of nowhere. She would go 91 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 2: have a look, and we did and the rest is 92 00:04:54,120 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: ton of history. Over the forty eight episodes of River 93 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 2: Cafe Table Before, many guests have also shared memories of 94 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: eating at the River Cafe. Here are too. Edwin nfil 95 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: editor of British Folk, but first film director and actor 96 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: Maggie Gillanol. 97 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 9: I kept texting you and saying, oh, could one more 98 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 9: person come? Oh, could just one more person come? Could 99 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 9: I you know, and don't you always kind of want 100 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 9: to say yes, right, like yes, like of course you 101 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 9: can bring your boyfriend. This is interesting. 102 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 7: It was. 103 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 9: It really was a special night. And then I remember 104 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 9: like we weren't sure. We're like, oh, is this enough past? 105 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,239 Speaker 9: And I was like, no, no, no, it's not. Let's 106 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,239 Speaker 9: get another two podta. 107 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 7: You know. 108 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: I remember that night that you were there, and I 109 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: remember the feeling of it that you were. You know, 110 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: you were so happy and you were so wanting to give. 111 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 9: We were there to do press for the lost daughter. 112 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 9: We all had to wake up at like six o'clock 113 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 9: in the morning the next day and go do press 114 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 9: all day and then go to the opening night and 115 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 9: we had all eaten all this food, drank tons of 116 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 9: wine and champagne and chocolate cake. And I was thinking 117 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 9: the next day about like consequences, what's worth it and 118 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 9: what isn't you know? And I was like, this feeling 119 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 9: I have today is totally worth it. I'm not blindly 120 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 9: having this dinner and drinking wine and you know, eating 121 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 9: all this delicious food. I understand that I will sacrifice 122 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 9: something the next day. If I'd gone to sleep at 123 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 9: nine and had green juice or something, I would feel different. 124 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 9: But what it gives me in exchange, I felt it 125 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 9: was worth it. 126 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 10: It was a really muchical, even one of my one 127 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 10: of the truly much cold evenings of my life, because 128 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 10: remember the issue came out. It was a love story 129 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 10: really to Great Britain, the country that sort of took 130 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 10: my family and took me in, and we celebrated everybody 131 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 10: from Naomi Campbell to Steve McQueen to Cake Moss and 132 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 10: we had a duel on the cover. 133 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: It was a beautiful night and I think people, you know, again, 134 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: over food overhind the food you wanted to be sharing plates, 135 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: you wanted people to have antipasti. I remember something about 136 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: that night, which was we were talking about whether we 137 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: could do ravioli as a premi, and there was a 138 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: conversation saying, well, you know, fashion people don't eat carps, 139 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: they won't eat pasta. Nobody's going to eat the ravioli. 140 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: Not only did they eat it, they had seconds, gongs, 141 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: and thirds and put on more ravioli on the plate. 142 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: Every conversation of River Cafe Table for ended with the 143 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: same question, what is your comfort food? Food is susten 144 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: it's politics, culture, a journey of discovery. It is also 145 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: comfort in love. Here is Jude Law on food family life, 146 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: and they art feeding your children. 147 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 5: I enjoyed giving the love of it. I enjoyed looking 148 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 5: after them. I always say this to friends who are 149 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 5: expecting children, that you know, the satisfaction you get when 150 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 5: you're about to go to bed and your kids all eaten, 151 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 5: they're washed, they're in bed, they're safe. It's just such 152 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 5: a fantastic feeling. It's a greatest sense of satisfaction and 153 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 5: contentment that you've got there another day and they're all right. 154 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 5: You've eaten all of that. And that was an important 155 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 5: part of bringing them up to me and the adventurousness. 156 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 5: I suppose, because again it reflects I don't know. 157 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 4: You know, people go oh, no, I don't. 158 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 5: Like that, and you think, well, have you tried it? 159 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 5: You know, that was always that's always the first question 160 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 5: to the kids. And you think, no, just try it, 161 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 5: you know, and you see them suddenly thinking, oh, actually, yeah, 162 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 5: it's an octopus. You think, yeah, go and try a 163 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 5: little bit. 164 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 7: It's really good. 165 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: Food also means joy and celebration. Austin Butler is the 166 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: star of Baz Luhrmann's film Elvis. 167 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 6: There's a small group of us and it was the 168 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 6: night that we wrapped and we we just we danced 169 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 6: until the sun came up. We just put on vinyl 170 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 6: records and we just danced and we ate oysters and 171 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 6: we just we just lived life. It was like this 172 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 6: feeling of letting our hair down. And then the sun 173 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 6: started to come up and Baz looked out and he 174 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 6: lived across the street from the sea, and he said, 175 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 6: should we go swim in the ocean right now? And 176 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 6: it's like five in the morning now, and we swam 177 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 6: in the ocean and so the sun's rising. And I 178 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 6: was gonna not go that night as well, and I said, 179 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 6: I said, Baz, I can't believe I was gonna go 180 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 6: to sleep tonight. And he started singing nessa dorm and 181 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 6: he goes no sleep tonight and he went back to 182 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 6: the shore, and I kind of took a second from 183 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 6: myself in the ocean where it's just me, and as 184 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 6: I sort of slowly walked back the shore, I look 185 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 6: at Baz and he's holding a speaker above his head 186 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 6: like John Cusack can say anything, and he's playing nessa doortermont, 187 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 6: the Pavaratti version, and it's blaring at like five point 188 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 6: thirty in the morning now on the beaches of the 189 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 6: Gold Coast. And then we made breakfast. 190 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 4: What was that we made? 191 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 6: We looked in the refrigerator and we thought, okay, we 192 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 6: got eggs, we got asparagus, we got some spinach there, 193 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 6: we got some tomatoes, we got some parmesan cheese. What 194 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 6: can we do? And so we kind of just made 195 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 6: this breakfast. And that's one of the most glorious memories 196 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 6: of my life, was like after we finished this thing 197 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 6: that was so terrifying and daunting, and that we gave 198 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 6: it everything we could. And then then we just sat 199 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 6: there and as the morning sun sort of laid down 200 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 6: on us and ate that breakfast, and it was so glorious. 201 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 11: Don't tell anybody I told you this. 202 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, with 203 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: memories of a college ice cream heist and food as 204 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: an act of rebellion. We used to go at night. 205 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 11: They know now years later they know, but we used 206 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 11: to go, like in the middle of the night, down 207 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 11: to the dining room and break into the freezer to 208 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 11: get ice cream. Now they was locked, so you can 209 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 11: only lift it a little bit and put the scooper 210 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 11: in there and pull it out. 211 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 2: We better not tell certain members of the house about 212 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: this exactly. 213 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 11: It's hard to tell a flavor and the dark and 214 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 11: the dark, and you could tell if it's chocolate or not, 215 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 11: but peach, strawberry and the rest of that kind of 216 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 11: comes together. And sometimes we would order pizza so that 217 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 11: the guard, we'd say the guard, somebody would go talk 218 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 11: to the garden, said I ordered pizza. I'm waiting here 219 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 11: for the pizza wall. We would go down and steal 220 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 11: the ice screams, steal the ice cream. 221 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: And so your college days were spent stealing ice stealing 222 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: ice cream, icically, but food isn't only a subject for 223 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 2: funny stories. On many episodes of River Cafe Tape before, 224 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: we also heard about the politics of food inequality and 225 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: the desperation of hunger. Christian Amanpor told me about her 226 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: experience of reporting from Sarajevo in the nineteen nineties. 227 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 12: The very very first winter under siege, and it sounds 228 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 12: like a cliche, and I didn't even believe it till 229 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 12: I saw it, But literally, people were foraging, honestly, trying 230 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 12: to get dandelion leaves and brasses and things like that 231 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 12: that they might be able to boil up into something. 232 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 12: Some of them may have had little vegetable gardens with 233 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 12: lettuce or spinach or whatever it was, but there was 234 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 12: no real protein. They could make bread because flower was 235 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 12: coming in eventually by the UN, but it was basic. 236 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 12: And you know, I just remember living in the holiday 237 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 12: in with all the press there. I didn't realize until 238 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 12: afterwards the managers had to pretty much bribe the besiegers 239 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 12: and some of the UN peacekeeping forces who came in 240 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 12: to get things like eggs. There wasn't potatoes or tomatoes 241 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 12: or anything because all the farming, all the all the 242 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 12: just like now in Ukraine when it's bombed all the 243 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 12: time and there's a scorched earth policy. 244 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,239 Speaker 2: And the people of the city, yes. 245 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 12: Yes, they were mostly grateful for us to tell their story, 246 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 12: but and I have to say it is important, they 247 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 12: did begin to get angry. I remember them saying, you know, 248 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 12: turn your cameras away from us. This isn't the Sarajevo Safari. 249 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 12: You keep telling our stories and the world doesn't intervene, 250 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 12: doesn't help us. And those were very painful moments because 251 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 12: you did realize that they were telling the truth, that yeah, 252 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 12: we could go to them, talk to them, get their experiences, 253 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 12: see what they were trying to cook for their families, 254 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 12: which was pretty much nothing in their little kitchens, and 255 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 12: trying to survive this war, and nothing was happening to 256 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 12: help them. So then they would take it out on 257 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 12: us because we were the closest for them. Yeah, and 258 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 12: it was painful. That was painful. So I have no 259 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 12: ellue usion that we are welcomed with open arms and 260 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 12: we're the great saviors at all. At all. 261 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: We do a job. 262 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 12: If we're lucky, we tell the truth and the truth 263 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 12: gets out. And if we're very very lucky, it causes intervention. 264 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 13: It my love of food, my desire to know more 265 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 13: about it, has just grown. 266 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: This is Stanley Tucci. 267 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 13: So it's sort of all I think about, and it's 268 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 13: very much how I spend my time now. 269 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: We think about food and hunger, and it's also mental health, 270 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: and it's also physical health. And we refer just now 271 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: to the fact that you had cancer and that your 272 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 2: wife died of cancer. How did you see illness and 273 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 2: how did illness affect food for you? 274 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 13: Well, Kate went through so many different treatments, and you know, 275 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 13: going through chemo and radiation and all that stuff made 276 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 13: her very nauseous and she couldn't eat a lot at times, 277 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 13: and then she would recover, and then cancer would present 278 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 13: itself again, and then she'd go through the process again. 279 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 13: It was horrible when I went through mine because it 280 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 13: was an oral cancer. All the treatment was focused on 281 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 13: my mouth, so I lost everything. You don't only lose 282 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 13: your sense of taste. Your sense of taste is destroyed 283 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 13: and perverted so that everything tastes like you know what 284 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 13: for months and plus your mouth is so compromised and 285 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 13: so much pain. You're on pain medications and all that stuff, 286 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 13: and you have a feeding tube. You're trying to put 287 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 13: protein drinks through your feeding tube, which are disgusting, and 288 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 13: not that you're tasting them, but they're upsetting your stomach. 289 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 13: And then there's morphine you're putting through. It's just as 290 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 13: a nightmare. And for me, it was a real nightmare 291 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 13: because food is everything to me. It's now how most 292 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 13: of my life. And not to be able to eat properly, 293 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 13: not to be able to everything smelled horrible, tasted horrible, 294 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 13: and not to be able to sit and eat with 295 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 13: my friends and drink with my friends and cook for 296 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 13: my family, it was really really hard. 297 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: And did that come back? Obviously came back, But how 298 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: did it just come back and you embraced it? Or 299 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 2: was it slow? 300 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 13: It's very slow. It's still not I'm almost four years 301 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 13: out from finishing my treatments and I still last night 302 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 13: I made lamb chops. I didn't really eat them. I 303 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 13: can't really because you lose your saliva, so I don't 304 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 13: have all of my saliva. So if you don't have 305 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 13: your saliva, it's very hard to break things down. So 306 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 13: I eat a lot of pasta. But that's fine, That's 307 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 13: just the way it is. I'm probably at the point 308 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 13: now where this is about where I'm going to be. 309 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 13: I don't know how much more I will recover, But 310 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 13: it's fine. I can eat most things. I can drink wine, 311 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 13: I can have a martini slowly. It's fine. Nicroni negroni 312 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 13: is yet. 313 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know about the nigronie. As the climate emergency deepens, 314 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: what we eat and how and where food is grown 315 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 2: has become crucial to our survival. Former Vice President of 316 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: the United States Al Gore is, as we all know, 317 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: passionate about food, farming and the environment. 318 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 14: Well, agriculture can be one of the biggest solutions to 319 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 14: the climate crisis. People talk about planting trees to pull 320 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 14: CO two back out of the atmosphere, and it's something 321 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 14: we certainly need to do, but we also need to 322 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 14: remember that if you look at all of the carbon 323 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 14: and every tree in the world, plus every plant in 324 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 14: the world, there's three times that much carbon in the 325 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 14: first ten centimeters of top soils around the world. And 326 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 14: by sharply reducing the amount of plowing and using natural 327 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 14: fertilizing techniques and natural pest control techniques and using cover 328 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 14: crops always keep roots in the soil don't let it 329 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 14: lie loose. Use perennials where you can use rotational grazing 330 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 14: agro forestry. These techniques can reverse the flow of global 331 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 14: warming pollution out of the soil and actually put a 332 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 14: large amount of CO two back in the soil. So 333 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 14: regenerative agriculture not only produces healthier foods and healthier communities, 334 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 14: but it also contributes to a healthier planet by becoming 335 00:18:52,760 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 14: a key part of our arsenal in combating the climate crisis. 336 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: For Paul McCartney, the politics of food, particularly animal welfare, 337 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: is also key. He told me about a moment he 338 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 2: shared with his first wife Linda. 339 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 15: We were on the farm in Scotland. We had a 340 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 15: farm in a place called Campbelltown, which is south down 341 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 15: the Argyle Peninsula, south of Glasgow, so we spent quite 342 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 15: a bit of time there. The Beatles break up got 343 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 15: a bit heavy in the business scene and you just 344 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 15: couldn't deal with it, so we decided to just elope, 345 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 15: even though we were married. We just escaped there and 346 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 15: it was just a sheep farm. We were looking out 347 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 15: of the kitchen window one day and there were lambs. 348 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 15: It was lambing season early in spring, and the lambs 349 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 15: were gambling around so full of life, and it was like, wow, 350 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 15: this is really cool. And I always say that what 351 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 15: they seemed like they were doing, it would be about 352 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 15: twenty of them. They'd start at one end of the 353 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 15: field and then it'd be as if someone said let's 354 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 15: go and they all go and run to the other 355 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 15: side of the field. Let's go back. So they were 356 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 15: just running up and down, gambling and jumping and everything 357 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 15: were going. It's cute and great. Then we suddenly realized 358 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 15: we were eating leg of lamb. So that was when 359 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 15: the penny dropped and it was like yeah, yeah, leg 360 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 15: of lamb. Then it was just we said, you know what, 361 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 15: do we try and not eat meat? We try and 362 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 15: go veggie and in those days, of course, it was 363 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 15: actually difficult, but we decided that we'd make it a challenge. 364 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 15: It just became a fun challenge. Okay, what do you do? 365 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 15: So we gradually begun filling the hole in the middle 366 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 15: of the plate. We'd keep everything else and then we'd 367 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 15: just work on things to take the place of where 368 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 15: the meat had been. 369 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 16: It's funny because the very early years were actually in 370 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 16: Scotland and so we had a tiny little vegetable patch. 371 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: There Paul and Linda's daughter. The fashion design is Stella McCartney, 372 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: who was also a vegetarian. 373 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 16: And I remember we'd always get into trouble because me 374 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 16: and Mary would go down and pick There were always 375 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,239 Speaker 16: like sugar snaps and carrots and we would always kind 376 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 16: of nick them and eat them before you could yield 377 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 16: any kind of crop off it. And then when we 378 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 16: got a bit older, we got the farm in East 379 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 16: Sussex and then we had like a proper vegetable patch. 380 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: Well, it's very touching that you say that you and 381 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: your sister would go and get a sugar snappy and 382 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: a carrot as rather the way somebody might take sweets 383 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: from the sweet cub. Know that you actually went to 384 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 2: the vest. 385 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 16: And also we had horses, so we had you know, 386 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 16: we were always with horses, so it would always be 387 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 16: right Willie the carrot and the carrot heads. So the 388 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 16: for the horses, you'd always have this journey between picking it, 389 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 16: the soil, the smell that you know, your dirty fingernails, 390 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 16: that kind of adventure to go out and have that process, 391 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 16: and then you'd take it up and give the you know, 392 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 16: the carrot heads to the horse and that would be 393 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 16: like horse slow bree all over your hands, and like 394 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 16: so many different smells as well. I mean, I've worked 395 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 16: on creating perfumes, and it's so interesting how smell has 396 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 16: really been inspired by food for a lot of the 397 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 16: things that I've created. I mean, I, for example, one thing, 398 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 16: when you're a vegetarian, there's so few moments of kind 399 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 16: of extravagance, whereas with meat is so associated with kind 400 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 16: of well cost or you know, there's such a kind 401 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 16: of different kind of relationship, and when you're a vegetarian, 402 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 16: it's literally only truffle season that you're like, right, okay, 403 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 16: this is like, oh, this is this moment. And so 404 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 16: I did a perfume with truffle in it because I 405 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 16: just always found that smell. It was so it kind 406 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 16: of reminded me always of a time of year, and 407 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 16: just everything associated with it seems so kind of sexy 408 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 16: and mysterious and incredible. So I think the between this 409 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 16: food and smell is interesting. 410 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 2: Edward Enifel, editor of British Folk, What do you feel 411 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: about food and fashion? Is the idea that in order 412 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: to look good and clothes you have to be thin, 413 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 2: or you have to look elegant. You have to be 414 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: a certain look or models have to look a certain way, 415 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: and that would mean denial of food. It would say, 416 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 2: in order to look that way, don't eat. Yeah, what's 417 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 2: that strong. 418 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 10: Historically, those that you know to be fashionable, when you 419 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 10: look at at least my Vogue anyway, it's everybody's welcome, 420 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,239 Speaker 10: you know, all shapes, all sizes or colors. And what 421 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 10: I love now is three years later when you look 422 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 10: in all the other magazines, everybody's also welcoming in all 423 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 10: the other magazines. That that strict thing of or not 424 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 10: being able to be a certain size, being sized zero 425 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 10: is the perfect that doesn't exist anymore. Even the idea 426 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 10: of being a model has changed. How you can be short, 427 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 10: you can be curvey, you can be you know, you 428 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 10: can be disabled. Literally, to watch that industry change, for me, 429 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 10: it's one of the great things about you know, doing 430 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 10: my You make. 431 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: It sound rather seamless that this is what's happened another 432 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 2: But it hasn't been a struggle for stores or for designers. 433 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 10: I mean designers now know that they've missed out on 434 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 10: a whole market from size forteen to sixty. They've missed out. 435 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 10: Why would you want to miss out on a section 436 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 10: of a population that can make your business even better. 437 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 10: So now designers have really sort of like, oh my god, 438 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 10: they've wisened up. Okay, I just knew that the world 439 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 10: we lived in just wasn't that Just wasn't that world anymore? 440 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 10: You know, you have to be a certain size, yeah, 441 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 10: or a certain color or yeah. The conversations that I 442 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 10: have been had now never would have been had. About 443 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 10: ten years ago. 444 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 2: The artist and film director Steve McQueen talked movingly about 445 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: the London street markets where he shopped with his mother, 446 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 2: the comfort of home cooking, and the harsh reality is 447 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: a food inequality. 448 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 4: One thing I was very shocked by when I was 449 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 4: shooting in Chicago, shooting Widows was how I didn't see 450 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 4: a grocery store in a black neighborhood. I didn't see 451 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 4: any greens in a black neighbor You know, there wasn't 452 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 4: a green grocer's, but there was always some sort of 453 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 4: fast food place where people eat. So people are losing 454 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 4: this sort of heritage of food. People are not aware 455 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 4: of food and nourishment and possibilities within food and food 456 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 4: is politics in a way. It reverts back to what 457 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 4: we were talking about right at the beginning of a conversation. 458 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 4: It starts with like, in a way markets because markets, 459 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 4: a lot of markets are on the threat, a lot 460 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 4: of markets have closed. So this sense of community, sense 461 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 4: of comaraderie, a sense of sort of love of food 462 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 4: and love of each other is being sort of erased 463 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 4: in the sort of you know, working class areas. I mean, 464 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 4: you get these markets, but they're so become like posh markets, 465 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 4: aren't they They're sort of farmers' markets, they call them. 466 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,479 Speaker 4: And you know, the food is so expensive, so and 467 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 4: I can I feel that they're they're becoming kind of 468 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 4: food deserts in a way where kids are growing up 469 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 4: on fast food and not being introduced to sort of 470 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 4: love food in a way. So that's that's something which 471 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 4: I'm a bit sort of concerned about. 472 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, food is a connection, and food is a memory, 473 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 2: and food is giving and sharing, and food is political 474 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 2: and social, and it's also comfort. It's something that we 475 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 2: go to and we need comfort. And so I suppose 476 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: Steve McQueen, what would you say is the food you 477 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 2: would go to if you needed comfort? 478 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 4: To me, the comfort food that I very much love 479 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 4: and I appreciate. Is often the cold day, you know, 480 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 4: and you come in and it's my mum's chicken soups 481 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 4: West Indian chicken soup, which has the bones in it 482 00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 4: and stuff, you know, you suck on the bones, and 483 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 4: it's the sort of you know, it's the time. It's 484 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 4: the garlic. It's all kinds of stuff for you know, 485 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 4: the sugred ingredient which she wants, you still want atomic, 486 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 4: the dumplings, a bit of potatoes, a bit of peas. 487 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 4: It's wonderful. So those are the kind of things I 488 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 4: really love. Yeah, and I could hear my dad sucking 489 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 4: the bones right now in my head. Yeah, it was. 490 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 4: It was a wonderful, you know, having those dinners together 491 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 4: on those cold days. I remember it was. It was beautiful. 492 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 4: It was beautiful and lots of great memories. 493 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 12: What's my comfort food? 494 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 7: I love chocolate. I love really good eighty percent chocolate. 495 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 2: My close friend Tracy Allman, who is a chocolate lover, 496 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 2: say at the party we have to celebrate thirty years 497 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 2: of the River Cafe. 498 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 7: I put my chocolate in the freezer and I break 499 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 7: off one square every day, and I think it's very 500 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 7: good for female brains and I can eat a piece 501 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 7: of chocolate and then I can write and write. 502 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: Okay, well that's it. 503 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 7: That's beautiful answer why I love chocolate Nemesis. 504 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 2: The chocolate Nemesis so I can get the word is 505 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 2: so funny. 506 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 7: Maybe always goes Nemesis Nemesis, and everything goes like Marston 507 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 7: Scorsese film, you know, when they're taking drugs and goodfellas Nemesis. 508 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, Thank you, Jasey. The other thing we could 509 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 2: do before we say goodbye and go have a piece 510 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 2: of chocolate Nemesis is to sing a song. And would 511 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 2: you like to sing your song? 512 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 7: I think our listeners should know. I had a very 513 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 7: very brief career as a pop singer in the early eighties. 514 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 7: I had a wonderful song called they Don't Know About Us, 515 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,959 Speaker 7: written by the late great Kirsty McColl. 516 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 8: So. 517 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 7: I sing sort of like Mini Mouse, You've taken Helius. 518 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 7: I know you were so sweet and you rang me 519 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 7: up and you said for your thirtieth And I. 520 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: Said, would I sing? 521 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 7: And I thought, why would Ruth ask me to sing? 522 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 7: And I was so flattered, and I said, Watchles sing, 523 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 7: and you went, do you know the song? 524 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 12: I like? 525 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 7: You were on the phone. 526 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 8: You went, It's very clear our. 527 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 7: Love is here to stay, not. 528 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 8: For forever and a day. The radio and the telephone 529 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 8: and the movies that we know may just be passing 530 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 8: fancies and in time may go, But oh my dear, 531 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 8: our love is here to stay together. Weird going a 532 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 8: long long way in time. Hi, rockies may crumble, just 533 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 8: brought to me tumble, They're only made of clay. But 534 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 8: I sang, oh is here to stay. 535 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 10: I love the. 536 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 2: Cathe and we love you Teresa almy, thank you. 537 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 7: Very enough so love me to do this in path. 538 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 2: And that's a wrap for season one. But we will 539 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 2: be back in September with a new name, Ruthy's Table four. 540 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: Gwadneth Paltrow, Wolfgang Puck, mel Brooks and more great guests 541 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 2: will be joining us. Have a good summer. To visit 542 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 2: the online shop of the River Cafe go to shop 543 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 2: Therivercafe dot co dot UK. 544 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: River Cafe Table four is a production of iHeartRadio and 545 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: Adamized Studios. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 546 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.