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Speaker 1: gonna be normal today, right, We're gonna be.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be two regular secular people just talking.
Speaker 1: So, ladies and gentlemen, this is the Quest Left Show.
Speaker 2: For the past six years that I've been on this platform,
Speaker 2: I have spoken candidly about my journey. I always think
Speaker 2: that when I start talking about like the quote unquote
Speaker 2: journey I've been on that you guys are.
Speaker 1: Like secretly eye rolling me, like here he goes again.
Speaker 2: But you know, for the for the three people that
Speaker 2: turn off before I get to it. I'll say that
Speaker 2: a lot has happened in my life post twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: as far as in the name of growth, in my profession,
Speaker 2: my personal life, my discoveries in the mental health space.
Speaker 2: Even my next musical documentary project, which comes out on
Speaker 2: HBO this year on Earth, Wind and Fire, deals a
Speaker 2: lot in metaphysics.
Speaker 1: And I will say that at least.
Speaker 2: In the first four months before shooting, I dove into
Speaker 2: almost every book that I could get into from every
Speaker 2: author on the subject, be it Gay Hendricks, Jodaspenza, Florence Scovel, Shinn,
Speaker 2: Richard Rudd, Nevill Goddard, Trisher, Hearsay, NATURALA Glover. I had
Speaker 2: to write these down because there's a lot Barbariahan kleole
Speaker 2: Ta Swartt, David Hawkins, even Napoleon Hill, so on and
Speaker 2: so forth. But I will say that of all the
Speaker 2: material that I've immersed myself into, I will say that
Speaker 2: our guest today, who's probably highly uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: Not yet.
Speaker 2: When I start going in on how impactful this book
Speaker 2: in particular has been on my life. There are several
Speaker 2: books The Art of Letting Go, I'm the Hero of
Speaker 2: my Own life, The Truth About Everything, most popular, probably
Speaker 2: one hundred and one essays that will change the way
Speaker 2: you think. The pivot year is so many, but of
Speaker 2: course my all time favorite of that canon is The
Speaker 2: Mountain is You and the subtitle transforming the self Sabotage
Speaker 2: into self Mastery. Her book has reached millions of people
Speaker 2: just like me. Any artist that I know, any period
Speaker 2: that I know, I've purchased this book. I think I've
Speaker 2: purchased this book at least four hundred times. This book
Speaker 2: entered at a time in my life which I didn't
Speaker 2: know I was self sabotaged myself. Anyway, this is making
Speaker 2: me uncomfortable. Now to do this speels like a lifetime achievement,
Speaker 2: a war. You're about to receive, ladies and gentlemen. Well,
Speaker 2: let me just say, Brianna, I want to thank you
Speaker 2: for coming to the Quest Love Show.
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm good? Thank you for having me from.
Speaker 1: One to ten? How awkward is this right now? Zero?
Speaker 3: You're all good?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, he's in now with it.
Speaker 2: Let me give you just a slight background. Because we're
Speaker 2: not strangers. I'd like to say that we're we're we're
Speaker 2: between friends and acquaintances, you know. I mean, we're not
Speaker 2: at each other's house like cooking dinner or whatever. But
Speaker 2: I feel lucky that I'm able to text you Okay,
Speaker 2: we're friends. Well, I'll just say when we first met,
Speaker 2: it was surreal for me because I had just started
Speaker 2: hosting game nights. Everyone's heard about my game nights, and
Speaker 2: really game nights are supposed to be a good arthartic
Speaker 2: act on my part to step out of my comfort zone.
Speaker 2: I like to control the atmosphere from which I'm in, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't like going out as much, so hiding behind
Speaker 2: a turntable or drum set or anything is kind of
Speaker 2: my way of going out, like, oh, I went to
Speaker 2: a club last night, but I also had to DJ
Speaker 2: that club, so I didn't talk to anyone, but I
Speaker 2: got to be that environment. But I will ask you
Speaker 2: how challenging is this part of the journey for you?
Speaker 2: Because I'm a person that wants to do maximum impact
Speaker 2: or my gifts.
Speaker 1: But when it's time.
Speaker 2: To the reciprocation part to get the love and to
Speaker 2: meet people and to be one on one and all
Speaker 2: those things, I'm Captain hide and plane site Smurf.
Speaker 1: Same despite looking like this like same, I understand.
Speaker 2: Like taking my hair out now is like a major challenge,
Speaker 2: like uh do I got to you know?
Speaker 1: But also I'm not fulling anyone. I'm still me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: For you you, what is it like that we now
Speaker 1: forced you to be our guru like against you will?
Speaker 3: That's probably That's actually a really accurate way to describe
Speaker 3: it too.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the reason why I was slow to say
Speaker 2: the friend part only is that because I'm that way too.
Speaker 2: I so don't want to freak you out. You're not
Speaker 2: you know, tricks Rabbit or the Cocoa Puffs commercial like okay,
Speaker 2: mere just.
Speaker 1: Make it feel normal.
Speaker 3: Today we can we can be friends? Okay, cool as
Speaker 3: of today, let's agree we're friends. We are friends as
Speaker 3: of right now, now that you know, I mean, you
Speaker 3: know me, if left to my own devices, I would
Speaker 3: live at my mountain house and never be seen again.
Speaker 3: And you know, part of that is just that's where
Speaker 3: I feel free and happy and inspired. But the other
Speaker 3: part of that, and this is a visual I've had
Speaker 3: for years, is it's kind of like you graduate high
Speaker 3: school and then someone throws you a graduation party and
Speaker 3: you're sitting upstairs and you have your arms crossed and
Speaker 3: you're staring at the wall, and it's like what you
Speaker 3: already did the hardest part, you know, like come down,
Speaker 3: come down, and you know, enjoy it. But yeah, there
Speaker 3: is I've just noticed for everyone. Really it's like it's
Speaker 3: it's almost easier to say, like, oh I have to
Speaker 3: work really hard to earn something or to deserve it,
Speaker 3: and then when it's a matter of just we'll just
Speaker 3: show up, just your presence can be enough. I mean
Speaker 3: I find that to be somewhat universal, just kind of
Speaker 3: like is it And the answer is, of course it is.
Speaker 3: But also you're you're about game nights too, I just
Speaker 3: as an aside. I have so many stories about those
Speaker 3: I've never told you. Oh no, well, actually I don't
Speaker 3: know how I know how good. One time, I think
Speaker 3: like like scared Ali Wong into leaving.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, no, I hit Ali. I texted her.
Speaker 3: Did you text her and tell her like that's a
Speaker 3: normal person.
Speaker 2: She go, there, I so vouched for you, like I've dried.
Speaker 2: She has your books. She definitely goes.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, because in that moment, you know, you reach
Speaker 3: a certain part of the night where like your inhibitions
Speaker 3: are gone. That's why I see her and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: we were drunk. Yeah, well that was that was my
Speaker 3: polite way of saying, like a few drinks and I'm
Speaker 3: like and like, you just lose it. And so I
Speaker 3: basically corner her right and I'm like I love you.
Speaker 3: And she was like oh, and I'm not kidding. For
Speaker 3: a second, she like almost looked over shoulder, like to
Speaker 3: look for security, like for a split second, was just
Speaker 3: like oh hi. And I was like, and I said,
Speaker 3: I was just so weird. I was like, I love
Speaker 3: you so much, and she was like, oh, it's great.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: She was so composed and polite, and I was hysterical,
Speaker 3: and then I said, like the weirdest thing I could
Speaker 3: possibly say to her. I was like, I really used
Speaker 3: to fall asleep, like watching your specials all the time.
Speaker 3: She was like, oh, why.
Speaker 1: It just came. I know.
Speaker 3: It was like the most awkward thing that you could
Speaker 3: say to a person, because what are you saying? Like
Speaker 3: they're boring. I'm like, no, I just mean I love you.
Speaker 3: I watch your stuff. And so she's by the end,
Speaker 3: she's you know, handling it so well, and I'm just
Speaker 3: like leaned all the way in and She's like, well,
Speaker 3: I have kids, so I have to go.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, all right, So you hit me
Speaker 2: immediately afterwards. If it were anyone else, I know, if
Speaker 2: it were anyone else, I would have just been like,
Speaker 2: all right, no, no, they'll be cool man.
Speaker 1: You know, but I knew Ali didn't know who you were.
Speaker 2: But I also know that I don't want to be
Speaker 2: the you know, when a person finds a new toy,
Speaker 2: or like when a brand new vegan or a new
Speaker 2: we're laughing at that person. That just the person that
Speaker 2: wants to force you a gunpoint to try their way
Speaker 2: at life and try this. And I'm very careful on
Speaker 2: how I spring this on her, Like the fact that
Speaker 2: she came to game night was like I've been trying
Speaker 2: for at least six other times to get her to come,
Speaker 2: but I think it's hard to explain to people, like
Speaker 2: the absurdity, like the reputation of it now is out there,
Speaker 2: so now it's like, oh, everyone wants to come. But
Speaker 2: in those first like four times, right, it was just like.
Speaker 3: Even with the well, no, she's never going to come back.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, once I explained.
Speaker 2: Who you were, and I'm telling you, I'm your biggest champion,
Speaker 2: like I have my entire community now, trust me, I
Speaker 2: landed the plan for you.
Speaker 3: Thank you for doing that. I think it was all fine.
Speaker 3: Then for those listening, a mirror is playing a cool
Speaker 3: but he actually has been like my personal, unpaid, unofficial
Speaker 3: person for like years.
Speaker 1: No, man, it's just that.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I directly told you, but I
Speaker 2: think I've shared this story here before that oftentimes when
Speaker 2: a person is self sabotaging, they don't know that they're
Speaker 2: self sabotaging, and even more intense, well, they're self sabotaging.
Speaker 2: But then there's a step beyond that, which good friend
Speaker 2: of mine Lauren Xander came up with a term called manifucking.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I was going to bring this up.
Speaker 1: Yes, you can manifest or you can manifuct it.
Speaker 3: Can you please write a book at that title.
Speaker 1: Look, that's Lauren's word. You know she's in the same.
Speaker 2: Space as well. Yes she will. She I totally trademarket already.
Speaker 2: But the first time I heard manifucking was heard basically
Speaker 2: telling me the night of them miss Slap at the Oscars.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: She told me, I manifucked that moment, and I was,
Speaker 2: you know, I was in denial first, like I did
Speaker 2: man fuck that?
Speaker 1: And she was like, yeah, who, but.
Speaker 2: You is scared of his own shadow and scared of
Speaker 2: leadership and scared of.
Speaker 1: Shining his light.
Speaker 2: Like anytime you turn around, you'll find a way to
Speaker 2: dim your light. And there's a way to actually inherently
Speaker 2: ask the universe to create a distraction. So she said
Speaker 2: that I know you, and I know that you were
Speaker 2: so shit scared of that.
Speaker 1: Moment of winning and.
Speaker 2: Elevating yourself and being the leader, that stuff that you
Speaker 2: told the universe. If there's a way to distract me
Speaker 2: getting glory from this moment and take it.
Speaker 1: Away from me. I will take it right now.
Speaker 2: And then suddenly that moment became centered around the slap
Speaker 2: and no one knows about I'm in industry.
Speaker 1: People know.
Speaker 2: But I sat down and then I thought about it,
Speaker 2: and the person I was dating at the time, she
Speaker 2: was next gave me the Mountains you And then that's
Speaker 2: when I first learned what self sabotage was. And so
Speaker 2: oftentimes I'm in a position in which I'm in.
Speaker 1: The passengers seat.
Speaker 2: Many an artist, and artists have a tendency to overthink
Speaker 2: and then they just get spiraled in this endless sea
Speaker 2: of yarn that they can't get themselves out of. And
Speaker 2: so literally any artist I've ever worked with, I gave.
Speaker 1: This to them.
Speaker 2: I'll say for least half of them, I know that
Speaker 2: they've read it. I know that twenty five percent of
Speaker 2: them like they were transformed. And really, even the night
Speaker 2: that you first came, the amount of people when I
Speaker 2: had to whisper to them, Okay, you remember that book
Speaker 2: that I got you for Christmas last year.
Speaker 1: That's the author right there.
Speaker 2: And the way that they will grab my like the
Speaker 2: nail wow, like in Prince of them grabbing my arm.
Speaker 3: That's so it's hard for me to imagine.
Speaker 2: Me also telling them you not say it a limit
Speaker 2: to freak her out, like I had to hold at
Speaker 2: least four people back, you know. And actually I think
Speaker 2: when the night that Jojo met you, I think I
Speaker 2: just got her that book maybe a week ago.
Speaker 3: Way, she's another one. She's a friend now. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: seeing her in like a week. But initially she was
Speaker 3: another one that I like, like moving things off the table.
Speaker 3: I was like, open my arms out, I was like hello,
Speaker 3: and she actually knew me. Actually, so thank you for
Speaker 3: you made that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I'm telling you, you're doing the Lord's work right now,
Speaker 2: like people know you. Do you ever have fears of
Speaker 2: letting people down or disappointing them?
Speaker 1: And how do you handle it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? All of the time. I think that I try
Speaker 3: to just find my inner stability in just thinking like
Speaker 3: I've done my best and I'm doing the best that
Speaker 3: I could possibly do with what I've got. And even if,
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes I feel like it's almost harder to
Speaker 3: feel like I'm failing myself. But I think that when
Speaker 3: it comes to trying not to let other people down,
Speaker 3: I think you would imagine that people would, you know,
Speaker 3: want me to be so perfect and so put together
Speaker 3: all the time. But I actually find more often that
Speaker 3: their touch point with me is kind of a check in.
Speaker 3: They want me to affirm which the answer is, yes,
Speaker 3: is it okay to not have it figured out? Even
Speaker 3: where I'm at now? And of course the answer is yes.
Speaker 3: And I feel like they find a comfort in connecting
Speaker 3: over the fact that, look, we're literally all just figuring
Speaker 3: it out, you know, until the very end of this thing,
Speaker 3: and I feel like just being as authentic as I
Speaker 3: possibly can be. If I focus on the connection with that,
Speaker 3: then it kind of alleviates that fear of you know,
Speaker 3: am I enough or not enough? Because if I get
Speaker 3: into the am I enough game is when I really
Speaker 3: will never win in my own mind. So like, if
Speaker 3: I can focus instead on like what's true to me
Speaker 3: and what's what's the connective tissue here, then I feel
Speaker 3: like it goes deeper than you know, am I enough
Speaker 3: or not?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: So basically pre twenty twenty and this is really true
Speaker 2: for maybe a lot of people in my field. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm saying my field, I don't know what umbrother you
Speaker 2: will put me under. I mean, I guess I'm under
Speaker 2: the hip hop generation or Black gen X generation.
Speaker 3: But I was going to ask, I was like, what
Speaker 3: is I feel like?
Speaker 2: You have many I have no idea where I belong,
Speaker 2: just kind of omnipresent. But you know, hip hop culture
Speaker 2: is like hustle culture, and hustle culture basically means that
Speaker 2: your brain is going to be your GPS, and you
Speaker 2: have to particulously plan everything and you have to be
Speaker 2: in control of everything. And I noticed, probably maybe around
Speaker 2: the time I turned thirty, that between the balance of
Speaker 2: like brain and heart, that maybe I was like ninety
Speaker 2: five percent brain and five percent heart.
Speaker 1: Somehow I managed to numb.
Speaker 2: Myself even with like music even became a technical thing,
Speaker 2: a scientific thing. I'm known for, like studying how the
Speaker 2: mechanics of music.
Speaker 1: Are, and da da da da da.
Speaker 2: Yet if you were to tell me right now I'm here,
Speaker 2: I want you to get on those turntables and spend
Speaker 2: ten songs right now, I probably panic because ohh and
Speaker 2: I need four hours to.
Speaker 1: Plan this meticulous genius thing.
Speaker 2: Now, if you give me all the time in the
Speaker 2: world to plan stuff, I'll come up with something like
Speaker 2: mental level. But it also sues me like, oh, I
Speaker 2: don't operate by my heart anymore, like the passion of it.
Speaker 2: I'm now just in a technical scientific so I have
Speaker 2: to learn how to undo all those things after twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: But for you, is that the same thing? Like is
Speaker 2: it a struggle every day? Because I saw a recent
Speaker 2: headline where it says that we need to stop asking
Speaker 2: what is our purpose in life? Oh? Y, or I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's a misquot or now. I mean
Speaker 2: I generally agree with the sentiment. My whole thing is
Speaker 2: that if you're in hustle culture, that basically means that
Speaker 2: something traumatic happened in your past, which then will scare
Speaker 2: the Jesus out of you to only make you think
Speaker 2: about the future.
Speaker 1: And you know, I was one of those people that
Speaker 1: like had a.
Speaker 2: Vision board and all these things and what goals in
Speaker 2: life do I want? So for you, how is one
Speaker 2: supposed to really truly live in the present? Especially how
Speaker 2: do we find zen space in the present that we're
Speaker 2: in right now?
Speaker 3: So you're talking about, you know, the head versus the heart. Yeah,
Speaker 3: When I think about creating, it's to me, it's like
Speaker 3: two vehicles. It's like two different cars that I drive
Speaker 3: and so when I'm sitting down and I'm writing, and
Speaker 3: I'm making a book or a just anything that I'm making,
Speaker 3: it's coming all from my center place. It's coming all
Speaker 3: from the limits test entirely is just does this move me?
Speaker 3: Am I with this? Do I feel this? Does this
Speaker 3: resonate for me? Is this changing me? Just to create it?
Speaker 3: And when you're in that place, I can't think of
Speaker 3: the audience. I can't think of the reader. I can't
Speaker 3: really think of Actually, if I start thinking about anyone
Speaker 3: else reading it or anyone else seeing it, I'll kind
Speaker 3: of freeze up so much I won't even be able to,
Speaker 3: you know, move through it. I think that's also why
Speaker 3: nature has been you know, I allude to nature so
Speaker 3: many times. It's obviously in that particular title, but woven throughout.
Speaker 3: I would say that that's been such a profound muse
Speaker 3: for me. But I also think that what it allows
Speaker 3: me is the space to feel unobserved or unseen but
Speaker 3: in a positive way, where I feel free, and I
Speaker 3: you know, writing has been one of the greatest loves
Speaker 3: of my life. You know, whether nobody ever read it, it
Speaker 3: would still have always been one of the greatest loves
Speaker 3: of my life and when I started doing it fifteen, however,
Speaker 3: many years ago, I kind of made a promise with
Speaker 3: myself which was, Okay, you create freely, and we're always
Speaker 3: going to take a pause between what's on the page
Speaker 3: and what you know goes into a book, so you
Speaker 3: feel like you always have that space to just not
Speaker 3: be self conscious and just create. And then so that's
Speaker 3: kind of vehicle one. That's my that's my heart vehicle.
Speaker 3: And then when I get into the second one, you know,
Speaker 3: that's when it's like, Okay, well it's going to go
Speaker 3: out into the world and you know, what does the
Speaker 3: what does the cover look like? Or what you know
Speaker 3: should I be doing? And then it's kind of more
Speaker 3: of that like mental and strategic. So to me, it's
Speaker 3: like it's it's utilizing both, but it's knowing when. And
Speaker 3: something that helps me a lot is I think that
Speaker 3: the heart tells me what and my head tells me how,
Speaker 3: and then when we switch them, I think that's when
Speaker 3: we can sometimes feel really stuck or lost when we're
Speaker 3: trying to have the head tell us you know what
Speaker 3: and the heart tell us how, because that's I feel
Speaker 3: like that that's not their jobs.
Speaker 2: All right, So when I first started my profession, I
Speaker 2: had to learn, maybe by like year three, find my tribe.
Speaker 2: You know, so hey common most stuff and you know,
Speaker 2: like all all of my Constituentsy is there a thread
Speaker 2: with like you Mel Robbins and Jodaspenza and like all
Speaker 2: these self help Like is the peer community the same
Speaker 2: in this space as it is musically? Like musically I'm
Speaker 2: going to find all the drummers, all the bass players, all.
Speaker 1: The mcs on.
Speaker 3: Oh, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Is there a community in your space?
Speaker 3: I'm probably the wrong person asks. I don't know those people,
Speaker 3: but like I'm very close to like my best friend Bianca,
Speaker 3: who's a poet. We've done everything together for ten years.
Speaker 3: So I kind of have my own thing going on
Speaker 3: your own, But I think there maybe there is. I'm
Speaker 3: just so much as much a part of it as
Speaker 3: I would like to be.
Speaker 1: Okay, no, no, I mean that's that's look.
Speaker 2: Some people also need to be in a bubble where
Speaker 2: their own world, and that's what makes it work. Like
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find if there's a parallel in the
Speaker 2: musical creative community as it is in the headspace community
Speaker 2: in which there's collaborations or there's yes.
Speaker 3: And I think that there's also a lot of parallels
Speaker 3: in music and writing in general, both in the industry,
Speaker 3: because I have friends other than you. Now that we've
Speaker 3: established that we're friends.
Speaker 1: We're friends, we're still friends.
Speaker 3: I have friends who are very much in that world,
Speaker 3: And just when we're talking about, you know, what we're
Speaker 3: working on or what's going on, a lot of things
Speaker 3: are very similar. But even beyond the outside of what's
Speaker 3: very similar, I find the process is very similar. And
Speaker 3: when he's like I'm struggling with something or I feel stuck,
Speaker 3: I think I think you know, no matter what your
Speaker 3: medium is, that it comes out on the journey from
Speaker 3: you know, starting with an idea and then getting it
Speaker 3: out into the world is something that I think we
Speaker 3: have more in common with than not, like anyone who
Speaker 3: does that.
Speaker 2: Got what is your morning routine or what was it
Speaker 2: supposed to be when you're not traveling and lobby calls
Speaker 2: at you know, five am?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I have a lot to say about a
Speaker 3: morning routine.
Speaker 1: Actually, buckle up, Are you about to knock down my jinger?
Speaker 5: No, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm ready for it.
Speaker 3: So when I was really actively like writing and writing
Speaker 3: the books. The first thing I would do every single
Speaker 3: morning is wake up and write before I did literally
Speaker 3: anything else. And I did that to really just strengthen
Speaker 3: that muscle. I really believe that creativity is a muscle.
Speaker 3: So it would be the first thing I did, even
Speaker 3: if it was just for fifteen twenty minutes, and I
Speaker 3: did that for years.
Speaker 1: Do you write manually or just grab your laptop?
Speaker 3: Either one. Sometimes I would just grab the laptop. Sometimes
Speaker 3: it's just faster with my hands, do you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? Just to get it's like I'm losing the
Speaker 3: ideas before I can even just write them with my hand.
Speaker 3: If not that, I go outside and go for a walk,
Speaker 3: and especially when I have a coffee and just to
Speaker 3: be outside and get clear. When I'm working or traveling,
Speaker 3: it's a little bit different. Like this morning, I went
Speaker 3: and got a coffee and you know, went to the
Speaker 3: lobby and you know, had a minute to just kind
Speaker 3: of breathe and let things set. But so, you know,
Speaker 3: I've read all the books, and I you know, for years,
Speaker 3: have felt like, you know, oh, I need to have
Speaker 3: a really optimized morning routine like so many people, and
Speaker 3: it's so effective for them. And I found a lot
Speaker 3: of the time that if I tried to override what
Speaker 3: my you know, body, mind, spirit and life were telling
Speaker 3: me I needed in that moment because I thought that's
Speaker 3: what I should be doing, it would almost have like
Speaker 3: a counter effect on me, Like I'd become less productive
Speaker 3: because I tried to like like wake up at you know,
Speaker 3: four forty five, like everyone says you should and like
Speaker 3: exercise first thing, Like I'm someone that like exercise exhausts me. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 3: but everyone else says, like, you know, it's it's very
Speaker 3: it gives them energy, you know, And then that makes
Speaker 3: sense to me, you know, and I understand it. But
Speaker 3: I just found that for myself, I would sit down
Speaker 3: and you know, I'd really be starting to get into
Speaker 3: and I'd be like, oh my god, I've got nothing left.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of when it clicked me, like, right, well,
Speaker 3: if you know that you're the clearest and like the
Speaker 3: most productive in this time, to use that time for
Speaker 3: what really really like counts and so whether that's you know,
Speaker 3: being outside doing something I love, you know, walking something
Speaker 3: I love. Also something about writing first thing is that
Speaker 3: it was almost kind of like I didn't have time
Speaker 3: to get in my own head or stop myself.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you understand the laws of theta mind state vaguely,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean basically, your brain is divided into
Speaker 2: five parts alpha, Beta, Theta, data, and gamma. And of
Speaker 2: course the alpha is hyper aware of everything, like this
Speaker 2: is the color white, this is wood, this is you know,
Speaker 2: like a sweater. And this happens a lot for songwriters,
Speaker 2: which is why most of the creative and successful people
Speaker 2: you know do take advantage of the four AM. It's
Speaker 2: said that the first forty five minutes of your day
Speaker 2: when you're like struggling to wake up, when you're pressing
Speaker 2: this snooze button one more time, when you're in that
Speaker 2: sort of state, that's when the genius part starts, like
Speaker 2: if you force yourself. It took me like maybe last
Speaker 2: three years, especially for this album that we're working on,
Speaker 2: like all my ideas come to me the second I
Speaker 2: wake up. Or also the opposite is when you're dead tired. Basically,
Speaker 2: when you're alpha, the the aware part is asleep. Then
Speaker 2: the rest of your brain which still is awake to
Speaker 2: operate your heart and the body parts that you don't
Speaker 2: that's what guides you. So for you right, even if
Speaker 2: you're like fully half asleep or whatever.
Speaker 3: That's basically and I think that's also reminds me of
Speaker 3: something years ago someone told me to do and it
Speaker 3: was so incredibly effective, which was to make like a
Speaker 3: voice note or voice recording of my own voice, you know,
Speaker 3: saying affirmations and to fall asleep listening to them, or
Speaker 3: to listen to them when you just wake up.
Speaker 1: Do that all the time, do you.
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised. And then it's something about kind of
Speaker 3: the like your brain is most pressionable at that time
Speaker 3: when you're in that state, and then it's kind of like,
Speaker 3: I forget exactly what they were telling me. It was
Speaker 3: like when your subconscious state. Yeah, when your brain here's
Speaker 3: something right before it falls asleep, you know, it takes
Speaker 3: it and it kind of logs it. It's kind of
Speaker 3: you know, it's filing it away in a way that
Speaker 3: it's not when you're you know, I guess in your
Speaker 3: what is alphabet? Like what state are we in? Now?
Speaker 1: Well, we're in an alphae?
Speaker 3: Yeah right now?
Speaker 1: Okay, So well that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Another experience that's almost akin or equivalent to sleeping in
Speaker 2: that state is driving.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're fool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all the books when like when I take
Speaker 2: your books, any music I create, any books I read.
Speaker 2: I just especially back when I was going back and
Speaker 2: forth between the farm I was staying at and my
Speaker 2: city in the apartment, which you know, it's like a two.
Speaker 1: Hour process driving back and forth.
Speaker 2: If you listen to those books even though you're driving
Speaker 2: and you're up and you're aware, like you're still in
Speaker 2: a subconscious state. And that's literally how I learn and
Speaker 2: take in everything, Like I don't do the whole I
Speaker 2: thought it was like repeating nineteen times over this thing.
Speaker 1: No, I go to sleep, wake up, know it like instantly.
Speaker 3: Okay, So this is fascinating to me as well because
Speaker 3: driving is actually a big part of my process as well,
Speaker 3: Like huge, Yeah, I would say that. So I wrote
Speaker 3: the Mountains you in Bixer and I lived there for
Speaker 3: a few years, and you know, when I was first
Speaker 3: going there, I'm driving it on Highway one, and this
Speaker 3: is the first time I ever had this experience. I
Speaker 3: think for me personally, it was the combination of you
Speaker 3: know what nature like that does for me, but also
Speaker 3: it's the element of driving of putting myself in that state.
Speaker 3: I seriously would be pulling over on the side of
Speaker 3: the road like mid drive because I'm like, I can't
Speaker 3: even get and I couldn't even get it out fast enough.
Speaker 1: Are crazy, Yes, Like.
Speaker 3: I can't even write this down fast enough. And I
Speaker 3: think the very like gross way I was describing I
Speaker 3: was like, it's like throwing up. It is like like
Speaker 3: I couldn't control it. But then also what was more
Speaker 3: amazing about it was if I didn't write it down
Speaker 3: as fast as I could, it's like I would lose it.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Nothing worse than right for you, at least as words
Speaker 2: like it's horrible or horrible When you're trying to hum
Speaker 2: a baseline and the next day you get to it,
Speaker 2: it's just like and I lost it forever. But for
Speaker 2: you you just voice memo it or you.
Speaker 3: Or write it down or write down the keywords or
Speaker 3: idea if I can't get the whole entire thing out.
Speaker 3: But that's pretty much how I've written that whole whole book.
Speaker 3: And I would say that my pive two poetry books,
Speaker 3: and I would say that those came through the exact
Speaker 3: same way, like like it wasn't something I had to
Speaker 3: really like think about or deduce or like, you know,
Speaker 3: intellectualize my way through at all. It was just kind
Speaker 3: of like it just hit you. And then there was.
Speaker 1: Do you have a musical talent?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Man, if I can channel this present mind state of
Speaker 2: you right now into a music channel, your songwriting would
Speaker 2: just save all of us.
Speaker 3: Funny you bring that up. It's not off the table.
Speaker 3: It's not off the table off one day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even if it's if it is. When you said
Speaker 2: poetry stands it, I was like, Jesus Christ, Yo, you
Speaker 2: could be a song.
Speaker 3: It's one of the dreams out there that I have
Speaker 3: for my life, maybe in the future. So let's check
Speaker 3: back in a little bit.
Speaker 1: I will.
Speaker 3: I would also like to I would love to sing,
Speaker 3: and I grew up singing and I don't think I'm
Speaker 3: super great at it. But do you know what inspires me?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 3: So many people that I hear that sign on for
Speaker 3: movies and they learn either an instrument or to sing
Speaker 3: for the role. And I'm like, well, okay, if you
Speaker 3: could learn.
Speaker 1: That methodactic, there you go.
Speaker 3: Maybe I can learn too.
Speaker 1: What is your earliest memory in life?
Speaker 3: Oh? What a beautiful question.
Speaker 1: I have a few Okay.
Speaker 3: I remember being in the grassy green area of my
Speaker 3: apartment complex when I was like one or two and
Speaker 3: my dad teaching me to walk, and I remember feeling
Speaker 3: frustrated that I couldn't. Yeah that, I yes, which tracks
Speaker 3: if you know me now, like that right, Okay, I
Speaker 3: remember that. And actually I had my phone to show
Speaker 3: you the picture. I just found this photo of myself
Speaker 3: when I was maybe three or four years old, really
Speaker 3: super young, and I think it was a school photo
Speaker 3: and I have, I mean the fit, I have, like
Speaker 3: a like cheetah shirt on, like a cheetah matching cheetah bow.
Speaker 3: I was wow. And in the picture, I'm holding this
Speaker 3: blue puzzle piece in a really kind of awkward way.
Speaker 3: They kind of pose you like this. It's like a
Speaker 3: school picture. And I remember having a coherent thought at
Speaker 3: that age of really not liking that blue puzzle piece.
Speaker 3: I felt like it was so forced and I felt
Speaker 3: like they were really ruining the moment and the picture,
Speaker 3: and I'd like I'd gotten already for this picture, and
Speaker 3: I was like, this just so, isn't it? And I
Speaker 3: do I mean, I like did it because you know,
Speaker 3: I like, I didn't put it down, but I look
Speaker 3: back at that picture room like, I remember not liking
Speaker 3: this then, and you know what, I was right? It
Speaker 3: was too forced and the.
Speaker 1: Blue clashed To this day, you don't like that.
Speaker 3: You this day, I look back and think, you know what,
Speaker 3: I really I should have said something at three because
Speaker 3: I knew. And then the last it's a lot of memories, okay,
Speaker 3: last one, I remember falling asleep reading and I did
Speaker 3: have a TV in my room, but I had a lot,
Speaker 3: a lot of books.
Speaker 2: Where were your go to books as a child. Oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, you're not one of these potterheads, are you?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Okay, no, I think I did have the books though.
Speaker 2: Now just went through a phase where like girls who
Speaker 2: were you know, they would be genuinely shocked.
Speaker 3: Like you never let hally pot people probably have that
Speaker 3: reaction too. Have you seen the movies though?
Speaker 2: For a person that immerses himself in a culture of
Speaker 2: cinnamon and all those things, if it's Art House films
Speaker 2: or Criterion collection or any of those things, like like
Speaker 2: the back of my hand, because I lived I lived
Speaker 2: in a roots tour bus for eighteen years, and so
Speaker 2: watching movies was surefireway to pass the time between thirteen
Speaker 2: hour trips between cities, but much of their horror when
Speaker 2: it came to like the classics.
Speaker 1: What do you mean you never seen Godfather? What do
Speaker 1: you mean You've never seen Star Wars? What do you mean?
Speaker 2: So I had to during the pandemic is when in
Speaker 2: quarantine is when I literally caught up with everything that
Speaker 2: have been shamed about.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, wait, I'm the same way.
Speaker 1: All right, So what your so many for?
Speaker 2: What is your top four or five movies that you've
Speaker 2: been shamed about having.
Speaker 1: Never seen it?
Speaker 3: Oh? You got it? You got it? Is out. We
Speaker 3: were watching Holes in the hotel two nights ago.
Speaker 1: Holes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, holes.
Speaker 1: Maybe I need to be shamed. What's holes?
Speaker 3: It's facing the Lewis Sachar book. I gotta watch its
Speaker 3: in it Sigourney Weaver.
Speaker 1: Okay, I've not heard of this, and I make movies.
Speaker 3: Oh shy, I love opposite it and it's and he's
Speaker 3: really young.
Speaker 1: And I've heard this now, Okay, okay.
Speaker 3: I like to watch repeats too of things that I
Speaker 3: loved when I was young. So that was a favorite
Speaker 3: when I was youngest. We're literally, I mean I haven't
Speaker 3: I have missed every good movie in the last five years.
Speaker 3: But don't worry. I own holes and have watched it
Speaker 3: and like know the lines.
Speaker 1: So this is your favorite film?
Speaker 3: I to god, you know what? We can't say that
Speaker 3: it's up there. I'm really letting people know me.
Speaker 1: Now, all right, what hell are you going to die on? What?
Speaker 1: What is your favorite movie?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I know it's corny.
Speaker 2: It probably I've seen the answer and then now I've
Speaker 2: seen your brain racing for or something.
Speaker 3: So okay, but oh wait, I'm going to stand by
Speaker 3: it though. I really love Labor Day? Do you know
Speaker 3: a Labor Day with Kate Winslet No labor and Josh Brolin?
Speaker 3: Is that there isn't it?
Speaker 1: I gotta watch it.
Speaker 3: That movie, I feel like it came out maybe twenty fourteen,
Speaker 3: and I thought to myself, what a beautiful depiction of
Speaker 3: like pragmatic, practical love, And I just thought that it
Speaker 3: had a way deeper message than what was on the surface.
Speaker 3: And I love that movie a lot. And before Sunsets,
Speaker 3: Before Yeah, Romance, Yeah, really beautiful.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen Defending Your Life over Brooks? All right, So,
Speaker 2: especially in light of the movie, I just did one
Speaker 2: of the things I had to sort of release myself
Speaker 2: from were just the kind of fire and brimstone religious
Speaker 2: dogma that I've been just force fed throughout my life. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm in one of the Pixar film Soul, of which
Speaker 2: Soul was the first time where I was like, this
Speaker 2: is actually what I think.
Speaker 1: Happens to your body when you die, like that.
Speaker 2: Whole journey and and defending your life is by Albert Brooks,
Speaker 2: and he essentially has to in a flash he's dead,
Speaker 2: similar to the story of Soul, Like he wakes up
Speaker 2: one day and he's in essentially what you call purgatory,
Speaker 2: and he has to go to kind of a court
Speaker 2: with a jury and lawyers and a judge and whatnot
Speaker 2: and defend his life. And essentially what he's being accused
Speaker 2: of is not living life to the fullest, not defending himself,
Speaker 2: not loving himself, and they're going in on him like
Speaker 2: the time where he got beat up in first grade,
Speaker 2: you know, and didn't defend himself and all these and
Speaker 2: it's a lesson where essentially kind of Christmas story Jacob
Speaker 2: Marley Scrooge Way, like he wakes up like renewed, like
Speaker 2: season a day and that sort of thing someone recommended
Speaker 2: to me, and what defense defend you life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, defending your life. And I never knew that that,
Speaker 1: never knew it existed.
Speaker 2: And to me, it's like one of the most powerful messages.
Speaker 3: That it sounds right up my alley.
Speaker 5: You would love this film.
Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question? This is your show?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, take over, we're friends.
Speaker 3: There's two questions I always ask people that I get
Speaker 3: to meet or no, and I've never asked you. Number one.
Speaker 3: Is there anyone you have ever been truly starstruck by.
Speaker 2: The way that Q Tip kind of ambushed me with
Speaker 2: the news that in sixty seconds I'm about to meet
Speaker 2: Prince for the first time. There's really no there's no
Speaker 2: described being what the feeling is because there's a lot.
Speaker 1: Of things you have to deal with.
Speaker 2: And first of all, I mean, the one is meeting Prince,
Speaker 2: but then and that those first thirty seconds you're sizing
Speaker 2: him up, You're trying to figure out like in your
Speaker 2: brain you're like trying to figure out, yeah, he's about
Speaker 2: five to two, but also the circumference of his actual
Speaker 2: headsize to his body, Like I just remember wanting to
Speaker 2: get to figure out what his head well, it was
Speaker 2: just I mean, it's like, holy shit, it's Prince, and
Speaker 2: then you think of it every moment he's ever changed
Speaker 2: your life musically, and then how tall you are to him,
Speaker 2: and then how large his head is, and then similar
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 1: Ali Wong.
Speaker 2: The only thing he's, the only thing I could get
Speaker 2: out was and he that perfectly.
Speaker 1: He led with Yo.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: That video was so funny. I love that song in
Speaker 1: that video.
Speaker 2: So now I got to deal with the fact that
Speaker 2: he knows what I do for a living, and you know,
Speaker 2: like wait, hot, you watch TV, and so all that
Speaker 2: was coming to play, and then all I could muster
Speaker 2: up was I said, I think the the last chord
Speaker 2: on Dinner with Dolores is one of the best postmodern
Speaker 2: endings of a rock song in the past forty years.
Speaker 6: And he was just like, wow, well damn well he
Speaker 6: had a He had also I'm having this conversation in
Speaker 6: front of Lenny Kravitz, Oh God, Quincy Jones.
Speaker 2: Mariah Carey, and Quincy's dart was with him, Kadata Rashida's
Speaker 2: older sister, so they were hearing this too. So it
Speaker 2: kind of just went over like like you can hear
Speaker 2: a pin drop and it was like, I gotta.
Speaker 3: Go buy It's so funny, and I.
Speaker 1: Went upstairs like you ruined it.
Speaker 5: You ruined it.
Speaker 2: And then hour later I came back to try and
Speaker 2: redeem myself and said something even more ubard.
Speaker 3: About it was that was me and Allie Like I
Speaker 3: was like, what did you just do? And I was like,
Speaker 3: it's okay.
Speaker 1: I'm scared many of people, So what was your second question?
Speaker 3: This is just like a broad overall, like your whole life,
Speaker 3: how has fame been for you?
Speaker 2: Here comes an eye roll of everyone listening. I don't
Speaker 2: feel famous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 2: And oftentimes I am aware that I will self evidence
Speaker 2: that you know, why I don't deserve it, why I'm
Speaker 2: not in this club, which is also silly, like there's
Speaker 2: a part of me that knows that what I've achieved
Speaker 2: and all those things. But oftentimes I just find myself
Speaker 2: in situations where it's right down the middle.
Speaker 1: It's either dude, you.
Speaker 2: Absolutely changed my life, or it's someone that's like and
Speaker 2: you are and I'm like Amir Thompson quest love.
Speaker 1: And then there's always a person like behind me looks like, dude,
Speaker 1: you don't know this is.
Speaker 2: And if they try and I always try to stop
Speaker 2: them because then if they try to shame or humiliate
Speaker 2: the person, especially you're in New York. Then they're just
Speaker 2: they're really going to play it out, like now he's
Speaker 2: really not getting I'm wait, you're shaming me because I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: Who this guy is or whatever.
Speaker 2: So I think oftentimes I'm reactionary. Maybe that's why I
Speaker 2: throw my own parties or movie night or game night
Speaker 2: or those things.
Speaker 3: So I ask, you know a lot of people those
Speaker 3: two questions, and the first one they almost always have
Speaker 3: a really funny story to tell, and the second I
Speaker 3: think you'd be surprised or maybe not that the answer
Speaker 3: is pretty consistent with what you just said.
Speaker 2: I often get frustrated when I ask people. Last time
Speaker 2: I was here, I talked to Jamie Lee Curtis and
Speaker 2: she still like forty minutes in. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you really don't know you're Jamilee Curtis.
Speaker 3: Like, so, I actually think she doesn't.
Speaker 1: She doesn't.
Speaker 2: But then, you know, the thing that I wrestle with
Speaker 2: is that there's a quote that Nelson Mandela says, actually
Speaker 2: she mentions this on her episode. It's it's Nelson Mandela
Speaker 2: quoting someone else. But it just leads to like, who
Speaker 2: are we to like demur lights.
Speaker 3: Or like I know exactly what you're talking right now
Speaker 3: that and.
Speaker 1: So I'm more hyper aware of am I serving a purpose?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Because number one, this is rare air for people in
Speaker 2: the hip hop community, because once you get twenty, your
Speaker 2: first your primary shot when you're twenty is you want
Speaker 2: to avoid getting shot dying. And trust me, when you're
Speaker 2: between twenty and thirty, especially when I turned thirty, it
Speaker 2: was like I made it. You know, everyone else else
Speaker 2: was twenty four, twenty seven dying. And it's not exclusive
Speaker 2: to hip hop either, like you know, it's just kind
Speaker 2: of expected.
Speaker 1: And then it's like, oh, I made it.
Speaker 2: And then I realized that the second test was even
Speaker 2: harder than not getting shot, which is health. You know,
Speaker 2: should I be Should we be eating this burger at
Speaker 2: three in the morning?
Speaker 1: Guys? Should we?
Speaker 2: You know, like we're now aware of that part. And
Speaker 2: now the last go round is just the mental health
Speaker 2: of it all. Oh yeah, I've had in the last
Speaker 2: year alone, and you know, I wonder is there a
Speaker 2: pandemic happening that I'm not aware of.
Speaker 1: I'll say for me, in.
Speaker 4: The last eight months, I've lost eleven friends to stage
Speaker 4: four cancer.
Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
Speaker 2: Like even the day that I found out DiAngelo had cancer,
Speaker 2: D'Angelo was the six person in a twenty four hour
Speaker 2: period that broke the news to me.
Speaker 1: And even then it was.
Speaker 2: Like in humor because five other people have broke the
Speaker 2: news to me, like earlier that day, and speaking to
Speaker 2: him late at night and it was like, what do we.
Speaker 1: What'd you gotta say?
Speaker 2: And I was like, gosh, just just don't say stage
Speaker 2: four cancer or whatever, and he was like, wait, who
Speaker 2: told you?
Speaker 1: And I'm like what?
Speaker 2: And literally, but I also feel as though our everyday existence,
Speaker 2: which is why I'm so vigilant and I'm not not
Speaker 2: a routine or a process, but just being in the
Speaker 2: mind stake, especially now where we could do doom scroll
Speaker 2: and some days I do wake up and I do
Speaker 2: doom scroll, I do oh.
Speaker 1: God, we're going to die? Are we going to live?
Speaker 2: People looking for me for the answers. Am I doing
Speaker 2: enough with my platform? Should I be doing more? Should
Speaker 2: I be doing more? Like all the anxiety builds up,
Speaker 2: but I also know that that is the open door
Speaker 2: to you, letting in diseases and all these things.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's really well said.
Speaker 1: Every decade there's a new challenge to overcome.
Speaker 3: So I mean, right now, so you feel like you're
Speaker 3: at the one. It's just like health and longevity.
Speaker 2: Usually by this point people they'll choose religion, like of
Speaker 2: my age, I'm supposed to now, like I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: back to the church and become a preacher, or like
Speaker 2: people choose religion, and you know, I mean, I feel
Speaker 2: as though every practice has been tainted, religion, spiritual, like
Speaker 2: all the areas have done. So right now I'm leaning
Speaker 2: more towards the metaphysical side of things, which basically the
Speaker 2: only difference I feel between the two is what religion
Speaker 2: you are talking to God like he's Santa Claus and
Speaker 2: I need this and I need that, And metaphysics is
Speaker 2: just you sitting silent and listening for God the opposite.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard the phrase that I believe it's
Speaker 3: and it's not to think about God while you wash
Speaker 3: the dishes. It's just to wash the dishes.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 2: Living in the present to me, is I believe that
Speaker 2: that is the Okay? I speak of the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: pandemic period as a point in time, at the time
Speaker 2: when I was living in it, you would have I
Speaker 2: would have thought it was the apocalypse?
Speaker 3: Yeah sure, right, yeah, Oh my.
Speaker 1: God, who died this week? Who died this week?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: Am I going to live? You know?
Speaker 2: And then but the more growth I did, I started
Speaker 2: feeling guilty because I'm like, damn, it was twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: like the good old days, Like why am I now
Speaker 2: having fond memories of all the growth I did in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty and whatnot?
Speaker 3: Also, as an aside, can you believe it was six
Speaker 3: years ago?
Speaker 2: I can it it's now turning the fond memories for
Speaker 2: some reason, even though it was the darkest time, Like
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: The most growth and the most change and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So now when.
Speaker 2: Kind of after the election cycle of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, so I've been telling people that
Speaker 2: the pandemics where you did the most growth. And then
Speaker 2: I'll admit the second we all went outside and things
Speaker 2: were normal, and suddenly I started slacking off a little bit,
Speaker 2: and like just a little bit, by a little bit,
Speaker 2: without even knowing it, I found myself in the territory
Speaker 2: of like, oh, now that I'm safe, like I'm back
Speaker 2: to square one again. And I saw where we are
Speaker 2: right now as a way to almost like around two,
Speaker 2: around two of growth and the lesson I'm learning this time.
Speaker 2: I figured the only way to survive where we are
Speaker 2: right now is literally just one day at a time.
Speaker 2: And this is coming from a person who's a meticulous planner. Okay,
Speaker 2: and all, guess I'll do this and then April of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight, I'll do this, And really it's literally
Speaker 2: me just waking up.
Speaker 3: And this is why you're asking about the present moment.
Speaker 3: And you said at the beginning, you know, I was
Speaker 3: talking about a thing about purpose, which is instead of
Speaker 3: you know, planning it forward, just being in it now. Yes,
Speaker 3: on a very literal, practical day to day. I think
Speaker 3: if we don't just take it one day at a time,
Speaker 3: like to me, that's where your mental health really can
Speaker 3: slip the hardest. And but I think that's something to
Speaker 3: carry with us always though, of just one thing and
Speaker 3: one day at a time and to find that like
Speaker 3: stable center as best you can. But the purpose piece
Speaker 3: that you're asking about initially, so I think it can
Speaker 3: be more comforting to try to, you know, plan the
Speaker 3: next five years, ten years, fifteen years. And I'm a
Speaker 3: planner too, like I like that. I feel you know,
Speaker 3: I feel the most in control when it's like, well,
Speaker 3: I know, you know, I've accounted for all the variables.
Speaker 3: I know exactly what we're building or creating. I know
Speaker 3: exactly or I want to be in two point five years.
Speaker 3: And that's you know, the end of the story. But
Speaker 3: there are things you don't know. You don't know. There
Speaker 3: are things I've been saying this for a million years
Speaker 3: that are so good you wouldn't even know to ask
Speaker 3: for them. And all any of us can really work
Speaker 3: with is what is right here in this moment. And
Speaker 3: I think that when we can do, you know, everything
Speaker 3: we can with everything we have, I feel like it
Speaker 3: opens doors to places we wouldn't even know that we
Speaker 3: wanted to go. And the now is something I've written
Speaker 3: about for like ten years and been interested in if
Speaker 3: for that long, in that I wonder if you know,
Speaker 3: all of these thoughts that we have, whether it's about
Speaker 3: our past or our future, it's like, but all of
Speaker 3: that's kind of happening, you know, in the now, And
Speaker 3: our relationship to the now is kind of really our
Speaker 3: relationship to our whole life. It only ever is now,
Speaker 3: Like we always think, like, oh, when I get to
Speaker 3: this thing, then I'll feel settled and more successful when
Speaker 3: I have this, when I do this, and it's like,
Speaker 3: but when you get there, even there is still the now.
Speaker 3: It's just it's just ben't evolved, adapted different now, but
Speaker 3: it's still that same relationship. And I think that it
Speaker 3: requires a lot of inner work and grounding to just
Speaker 3: surrender to the now and be in the now and
Speaker 3: work with the now. And it's something that I have
Speaker 3: to work on every day. Yeah, so it sounds like
Speaker 3: I'm making it sound like, oh, yeah, I know, just.
Speaker 7: Do that, but it's not, though, Well it's so easy
Speaker 7: just saying and I think we mentioned this earlier, like
Speaker 7: you know, I was raised by my dad was definitely
Speaker 7: you know, like the performative work hard, grind your knuckles bleed, you.
Speaker 2: Know, do all you can to achieve and get to
Speaker 2: the top. Only for me to find out that no,
Speaker 2: actually the opposite is true. Do nothing, you know literally
Speaker 2: it's do nothing and show up, which it's like, where's
Speaker 2: the glory I met? And so especially now like I'm
Speaker 2: excelling and things that I didn't plan on it, Like
Speaker 2: I didn't posters on my wall of a camera or
Speaker 2: any of these things. I'm doing now, so it just
Speaker 2: all feels so sometimes I do get mad at the
Speaker 2: universe and I'm just like, dude, Like if you put
Speaker 2: me in an environment as a two year old with
Speaker 2: five thousand records and I studied these things meticulously and
Speaker 2: me and my best friend started a band in high
Speaker 2: school like dog, why can't I have the results of
Speaker 2: what I wanted my music career to be? Like of
Speaker 2: everything I do, my music career is sort of like
Speaker 2: it's not a ticket or leave it thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad I'm in a space now where.
Speaker 2: I'm not like depending on this album must be like
Speaker 2: the anxiety I was living under ask quest love, member
Speaker 2: of the roots year after year. This album must be
Speaker 2: critically acclaimed. This album must data to sustain us to
Speaker 2: you know, and now to be in a place where
Speaker 2: I haven't released an album in eleven years and I'm
Speaker 2: still here and thriving even more so.
Speaker 1: To me, it's also like my ego is a little
Speaker 1: bruise that wow, seem.
Speaker 2: To have all the magic for all these other areas
Speaker 2: in my life, but the one space where I really
Speaker 2: want it, but I know there's a reason for it.
Speaker 2: But also I'm demanding this new album is what I
Speaker 2: think it is in my head.
Speaker 3: Yes, you said something before, I'm missing the language. Now
Speaker 3: you said to let go and just show up.
Speaker 1: What did you say, literally just to go for meticulous planning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know often I'll say in the last
Speaker 2: five years, my father's voice is the voice in my head,
Speaker 2: the way the way that Morpheus guides in the matrix,
Speaker 2: like you know, make.
Speaker 1: A left in the duck down, Like that's my dad's voice.
Speaker 2: And his thing is basically shut up and just show up,
Speaker 2: like don't you don't have to plan anything. And it's
Speaker 2: so hard for me to not do research or on
Speaker 2: research and meta research and research on that and research
Speaker 2: and the footnotes and the footnotes of research and all you.
Speaker 1: Know again my brain.
Speaker 3: What I wanted to add to that was more has
Speaker 3: happened for me positively in my life just by showing up,
Speaker 3: just showing up and not And for me, it's this
Speaker 3: mental game of like am I good enough to be here?
Speaker 3: Do I just just show up? And how much that
Speaker 3: has changed and also how much people value that and
Speaker 3: just knowing that that's that's more than enough. And I
Speaker 3: was just intrigued by you saying that, you know, instead
Speaker 3: of that, like that constant forward motion, that constant like
Speaker 3: effort and strive to let go and to just be
Speaker 3: and show up and then you know this flourishing that
Speaker 3: you've seen in your life that makes sense to me.
Speaker 3: It also inspires me.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm getting a coached right now for
Speaker 2: trillions of people. I have so many other questions.
Speaker 3: She's ever gonna ask on my favorite cereal?
Speaker 2: I was going to get to the front now now
Speaker 2: now we did this, We're like one second away from
Speaker 2: doing this to now.
Speaker 1: So what was the first record you ever got?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I ask what TV show best describes what
Speaker 2: your childhood was like?
Speaker 3: What an amazing question?
Speaker 1: I told you.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you stuff that no one ever bothers
Speaker 2: as ever.
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's ever come up with that for
Speaker 3: what TV show is most like my childhood? Can it
Speaker 3: be a cartoon?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: As told by Ginger.
Speaker 1: As told by Ginger, What is that?
Speaker 3: I love that? This is the third time I.
Speaker 1: Love you know. I feel like such a fraud right now.
Speaker 3: You know what, you know, you're all on my Kate,
Speaker 3: You're on my case about not knowing things.
Speaker 1: She's getting her revenge, right now.
Speaker 3: As told by Ginger, it's it was like the curly hair.
Speaker 2: And I will research this. Wow, you got me three
Speaker 2: times already. This is like I feel like by the
Speaker 2: time we're.
Speaker 3: Done, I know, I feel actually good about this. Right now,
Speaker 3: she she's going through her life. She's like a young
Speaker 3: girl and she really processes through her journal.
Speaker 1: And what year was this out?
Speaker 3: This must have been two thousands. I don't know when
Speaker 3: it went on, Macy Gray saying the theme song.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm familiar with the theme. I just never watched
Speaker 2: the thing.
Speaker 1: And also like I was, you're busy.
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, I don't want to play it. Like you know,
Speaker 2: when I became an adult, I put away child.
Speaker 3: I understand.
Speaker 2: I watch animniacs every day like it's nothing. So it
Speaker 2: was actively still watching cartoons back then. What posters adorning
Speaker 2: your bedroom walls in your childhood home.
Speaker 3: Oh, I have a vivid memory of this Britney Spears. Oops,
Speaker 3: I did it again. Okay, the poster from that CD,
Speaker 3: and I had the CD and she's got like a
Speaker 3: it's like like like tassels hanging from a doorway or
Speaker 3: what would you call those?
Speaker 1: It's the white and gold and she's like she's.
Speaker 3: Almost like holding them open and they're standing in between.
Speaker 1: Ith.
Speaker 3: It was Brittany, What else did I have? But you know,
Speaker 3: that was like.
Speaker 6: A your post Disney was I well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she's well, I guess so she nags
Speaker 1: Disney by then.
Speaker 3: I think that was the most memorable one. But I
Speaker 3: had a bunch of like random stuff in rotation that
Speaker 3: was notable.
Speaker 1: What is a talent that you possessed that we don't
Speaker 1: know about?
Speaker 3: Oh, I feel like I have to have one.
Speaker 1: That I possessed sour dough, bread making or archery, or.
Speaker 3: I do love to bake. I've made wedding cakes before
Speaker 3: for people.
Speaker 1: Wait, why would you subject yourself to that torture?
Speaker 2: Really, you just woke up one day it's like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna make a wedding cake for someone.
Speaker 3: So they asked, and I baked a lot, and well,
Speaker 3: it's because you.
Speaker 1: Made a cake for a wedding or a wedding cake.
Speaker 3: We cake for a wedding, So a wedding, you know, interchangeable.
Speaker 3: But wedding cakes are really expensive and the ingredients really aren't.
Speaker 1: So it's just the physics of knowing, yeah, just.
Speaker 3: Knowing how to stack them and then also kind of
Speaker 3: what like style you want?
Speaker 1: How'd you learn how to make a wedding cake?
Speaker 3: I just I just, I mean, I just knew how
Speaker 3: to bake, and I just kind of intuited of those like,
Speaker 3: well might just stack this and do that. Wait, that
Speaker 3: can't be the one. We ought to have another one.
Speaker 1: No, that's liver.
Speaker 3: You can call me actually for baking needs.
Speaker 7: Yo.
Speaker 2: I now I got to get to the altar and I'm.
Speaker 1: Going to make you make you make my wedding.
Speaker 3: Cake just for the sake of it.
Speaker 1: At this point, you got to I just know, I see, like.
Speaker 3: At least a cupcake or something.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, you're not getting out of this.
Speaker 2: You're wed.
Speaker 1: I'll do the full thing with the figures on top
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And was it execute it perfectly?
Speaker 3: I mean it was pretty solid. Obviously, it was like
Speaker 3: you know, you're I was so stressed. I was like
Speaker 3: hoping it was perfect. You know, it's like a big
Speaker 3: moment for people, But it was at the time it
Speaker 3: was kind of this like you would like take this
Speaker 3: decorating I don't even know what you call it panel
Speaker 3: and just kind of like move across that. It was
Speaker 3: almost kind of like like a light frosting, so it
Speaker 3: almost gonna look like rustic and there was like a
Speaker 3: flower on top. So I don't know what kind of
Speaker 3: wedding cake style you're going for, but send me some
Speaker 3: insfel pictures and get to work.
Speaker 1: All right, what was the worst grade you've ever gotten?
Speaker 3: Well, this is a good story. I cannot believe in
Speaker 3: telling everyone this, but it's time. I failed chemistry, okay,
Speaker 3: and then I grew up in New York, so we
Speaker 3: have regents. So I failed the chemistry regents and then
Speaker 3: studied because they do them at the end of the
Speaker 3: seer as well, they don't just do them once a year,
Speaker 3: and studied all summer night a tutor.
Speaker 1: You had to go to summer school.
Speaker 3: Basically, and then well it's like a I don't know
Speaker 3: if it was like official summer school, but like, but anyway,
Speaker 3: this is the point is I took it again and
Speaker 3: then failed it worse. And you know that it's bad
Speaker 3: because my mom called for the grade, and you like,
Speaker 3: you know, it is really bad. When she was like
Speaker 3: she wasn't even mad, she just was like took so
Speaker 3: much pity on me. She was like she like heard
Speaker 3: the grade. She was like, Okay, she was like, you
Speaker 3: know what, it's going to be okay. Like she wasn't
Speaker 3: even upset, she was just more going into it, like
Speaker 3: you know what. She's like, We're going to figure this out.
Speaker 3: And I was like what and I'm like crying and
Speaker 3: she's like, you know what, don't even it's okay, it's okay. Like,
Speaker 3: but when when your parent is going into a place
Speaker 3: of like just feeling bad for you at this point,
Speaker 3: like you know, it's it's not good.
Speaker 2: Man, I know, I know mine is sound like wow,
Speaker 2: that's awesome. I love that story.
Speaker 3: She's a teacher, so you know, she's she took pity
Speaker 3: on my life.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: No, that's that's actually the ideal reaction that I would
Speaker 2: take that. Sorry, I believe you, and I envy you
Speaker 2: right now. I did not have those results in my
Speaker 2: version of that. Do you have a cry song?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Oh? Many song plays and you instantly cry?
Speaker 3: I know I do so many. Probably Celine Dion, actually
Speaker 3: Celine Dion in person. I want to go see her
Speaker 3: live years.
Speaker 1: Ago her residency and she must have.
Speaker 3: Been touring because I think it was in Philly. I
Speaker 3: cried from the minute she walked on stage till the
Speaker 3: minute she walked off the whole time?
Speaker 1: What was it about her? Heard?
Speaker 3: I feel this way about anyone doing what they were
Speaker 3: so meant to do, and you can just tell got
Speaker 3: it And even if it's not, you know, she's intense.
Speaker 1: When she performs, she gets into it, you're just.
Speaker 3: Like taking it. And the level of energy, magic, magic
Speaker 3: she had was, I mean, it was amazing.
Speaker 2: She came to the tonight show and just as a
Speaker 2: couch guest, like she's hands down the most intense couch guests,
Speaker 2: like her interviews are not it's like something inside her
Speaker 2: that is yes, I I Celine Dion's probably the confirmation
Speaker 2: I think back then I was wrestling with the thought
Speaker 2: of like pleadians or are there other spirits living inside
Speaker 2: these shells that we call like I don't believe that
Speaker 2: we're all from the same milk. I feel like these
Speaker 2: are expandable bodies that people that want to visit Earth.
Speaker 2: So I believe you're one of those people too. But
Speaker 2: you know, what's the last concert you ever attended?
Speaker 3: What was the last show we're up? Do you like
Speaker 3: you have to outsource all these answer about my own life?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Japanese Japanese Breakfast that's right.
Speaker 1: What was the first council you ever attended? Oh?
Speaker 3: I remember this because I was really old. I was
Speaker 3: like twenty five when I went to my first.
Speaker 1: Wait did we have this conversation before?
Speaker 3: No, we're having it now.
Speaker 1: Wait.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I had written, well, hold on, I had
Speaker 3: written books before i'd been to a concert.
Speaker 1: I think when we were sitting down plane, do you
Speaker 1: know I think I knew this about you? What was
Speaker 1: your first concert?
Speaker 3: It was Lord and Run the Jewels, which wow, right
Speaker 3: to like start out there? What you just never but
Speaker 3: you're from Philly and or from Long Island?
Speaker 2: But wait, do you have an accent? Do you have
Speaker 2: a Long Island accent? Even you say it?
Speaker 3: Man, I was like, wait, no, this confuses people as well.
Speaker 3: No I don't. My dad is from upstate New York,
Speaker 3: and so my siblings and I kind of speak a
Speaker 3: little bit more like him, I would say. And then
Speaker 3: and then I've also, I mean, I think I kind
Speaker 3: of ever had it. But then also I lived in
Speaker 3: what you're thinking of, Philly, and I lived in Pennsylvania
Speaker 3: or pretty much you hold all life until like end
Speaker 3: in my late twenties, so then it kind of was
Speaker 3: really gone by that and now I'm California, so it's
Speaker 3: really gone. But that's why I think that. So, but no,
Speaker 3: it was Lord and Reni Jeal's. And another cry time
Speaker 3: is when she the end of that show, she played
Speaker 3: green Light was her closing song, right, and just everyone
Speaker 3: was up on their feet and it was like this
Speaker 3: really transcendent moment and I started crying.
Speaker 1: So what was your thoughts when you went to your
Speaker 1: first concert? Like? Wow?
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, it was almost like I was
Speaker 3: never going to tell anyone that this was the first time,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Well, it's you deserve to
Speaker 3: laugh at me.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm just I'm laughing at you, depriving yourself
Speaker 2: of just that. Philly, Were you ever a club kid?
Speaker 2: Like have you heard music in public before?
Speaker 1: Not your car, not your headphones?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yes, but like that was my first like
Speaker 3: true like stadium like experience, like full concert experience was
Speaker 3: that time. But yes, I had heard music before that.
Speaker 3: And then maybe shortly after, I went to the Jones
Speaker 3: Beach Amphitheater and I saw the Google Dolls and that
Speaker 3: really is oh god.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're learning the time now where Iris is
Speaker 2: being played every twelve seconds or social media, and it's
Speaker 2: almost when I hear the intro guitar thing is such
Speaker 2: a jarring.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: No more what three people, or with three professionals in
Speaker 2: this industry, are you the most shocked at that are
Speaker 2: aware of your work or have your book?
Speaker 3: Rick Rubin is up there?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: Selena Gomez, Ah, yes, okay, okay, she read one hundred
Speaker 3: mon essays and was talking about it.
Speaker 1: I was like, how wait are you still shocking?
Speaker 3: I actually want to circle. I'm actually floored to this day. Really, yes,
Speaker 3: I would add you to the list.
Speaker 1: No not, oh okay, you and everyone.
Speaker 3: All the jojo everyone floored by everyone.
Speaker 1: What was your life before?
Speaker 2: I mean, you've been writing since your first book came
Speaker 2: out in twenty a long time.
Speaker 3: Like so I started writing when I was like nineteen,
Speaker 3: twenty years old, so it's it's been a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So for you, would you say that Mountain was the
Speaker 2: book that we're all came together or was there one
Speaker 2: hundred and one?
Speaker 3: Like for you, I guess technically one on one Essays
Speaker 3: was the one that kind of maybe got had more readers.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean that was kind of the one.
Speaker 3: But then this Mountains You. Yeah, I think that's with
Speaker 3: the click moment. But also it was the click moment
Speaker 3: for me, Like writing that book in particular was like like,
Speaker 3: even if no one had read it, just writing it
Speaker 3: was one of the most unbelievable experiences of my life,
Speaker 3: like truly just internally, you know, going through the whole thing.
Speaker 3: So I like to think at some level, like the
Speaker 3: readers feel that as well, and so I think that's
Speaker 3: part of the click. But you know, the factor here
Speaker 3: is that this was so many years in. I mean
Speaker 3: when of my essays came out actually ten years ago
Speaker 3: this year, but it was six seven, eight years before
Speaker 3: you know, anyone who really even knew about it, and
Speaker 3: I would imagine many people still don't.
Speaker 1: But like the thing was the pandemic effect of.
Speaker 3: People like wanting to sit down and read. Yeah, kind
Speaker 3: of I do.
Speaker 1: Also, I think that's the year that we all said, ay,
Speaker 1: now's the time to do some yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, and that was yes, and that Mountain As You
Speaker 3: came out in twenty twenty, and I remember, you know,
Speaker 3: at that time, feeling like wow, like this is the
Speaker 3: biggest flop and failure of my career, maybe life, like
Speaker 3: thinking this couldn't have been worse time, right, And I
Speaker 3: just kind of I actually kind of just like gave
Speaker 3: up on everything for a period of time where I.
Speaker 7: Was just like, I know, you thought it was just
Speaker 7: the pebble with no ripple effect I did.
Speaker 3: I was just like, there, I don't even care about
Speaker 3: this right now, like this is I guess here it is,
Speaker 3: like I just we well, And then there were logistic
Speaker 3: things that were like you couldn't you couldn't or you
Speaker 3: couldn't write. So there were logistic parts of you know,
Speaker 3: you know, we'd been working on this for so long
Speaker 3: and then it was just it was just wiped. But
Speaker 3: then beyond that, even just internally for me, I was
Speaker 3: like I couldn't whatever. So I was in my own
Speaker 3: head I was kind of like, well, you know, maybe
Speaker 3: in the future we could do like a realie I'm
Speaker 3: trying to kind of figure out ways to like doctorate.
Speaker 3: And years later, I cannot tell you how many people
Speaker 3: have said to me like, whether it was then, whether
Speaker 3: it was three years, whatever, it was that book found
Speaker 3: me at just the right time.
Speaker 2: So were you aware that, wait a minute, this isn't
Speaker 2: a flop, This is actually turning out to be.
Speaker 3: Probably a year or two later, or two year or
Speaker 3: two late.
Speaker 1: Not immediate.
Speaker 2: No, oh dude, I know for a fact, I've read
Speaker 2: that book maybe seven times before I even thought, oh,
Speaker 2: let me buy it for other people.
Speaker 3: Like I just thought it that's reassuring. But no, it took.
Speaker 3: It took me a while to be like, okay, no,
Speaker 3: this is you know, well, it reformed the way that
Speaker 3: I think about releasing, which is and this is important
Speaker 3: for my process as well, which is so the same
Speaker 3: thing with One on one Essays, which it's like I
Speaker 3: would imagine there are parallels and music here too, which
Speaker 3: is what happens initially. That's kind of how you measure
Speaker 3: the whole thing. It's like, you know, how much of
Speaker 3: a success is it right away? And that's never been
Speaker 3: my story, and that's never been the case with any
Speaker 3: of my books. I mean, One of One Essays took
Speaker 3: maybe seven eight years, I don't know the exact day,
Speaker 3: but like many many years before I kind of hit
Speaker 3: as Malcolm Gladman, we'll call it tipping point, right, And
Speaker 3: so in all that time, it was just kind of
Speaker 3: you know, a build. It was just kind of like
Speaker 3: one reader's passing it to the next and I'm pretty
Speaker 3: content with that. But then over time I've come to
Speaker 3: find that, like they kind of find people right when
Speaker 3: they're ready for them or wanting of them, and my
Speaker 3: timing isn't as important as just getting it out in
Speaker 3: the world and then it kind of makes its way.
Speaker 2: Okay, I would like to know what is your actual
Speaker 2: creative process. I know for comedians, many comedian I know
Speaker 2: has colored post it notes on their walls. Chappelle always
Speaker 2: starts with the punchline.
Speaker 1: You know, and then I ran him over with my car.
Speaker 2: He starts with the punchline and then throughout his day
Speaker 2: he'll figure out how to get from point A to
Speaker 2: point B that will make this hilarious. And you know,
Speaker 2: for me, I'll have a song idea, but I know
Speaker 2: it might be for this record or it could be
Speaker 2: for this next record. For you, though, like is it
Speaker 2: just one specific subject that you want to write about
Speaker 2: and you get it out.
Speaker 1: Or is it just a whole Are you just.
Speaker 2: Kind of in this beautiful mind state now where all
Speaker 2: these ideas come to you and you just figure it
Speaker 2: out later how to piece it together. And when do
Speaker 2: you know a project is done, this is the book.
Speaker 3: It depends. So there's pieces that I will write or
Speaker 3: have written, and where you know, they don't necessarily belong
Speaker 3: to a book, or they're not for anything bigger. It's
Speaker 3: just a few paragraphs or a thought. And whenever that comes,
Speaker 3: I just kind of let it come, you know, if
Speaker 3: I kind of like move by this principle of if
Speaker 3: I have to pull over the car for a second
Speaker 3: and jott it down so I don't lose it, I do.
Speaker 3: I just kind of honor, you know, when it comes in,
Speaker 3: and I can't always control it, but I can always control,
Speaker 3: you know, like the muscle that I'm working. So if
Speaker 3: I can wake up and just practice writing review things.
Speaker 3: But that real like strike of like inspiration, when that
Speaker 3: comes through, you know, that comes when it comes, and
Speaker 3: so I just try to honor that. Now, for books
Speaker 3: like one of an Essays and like a few of
Speaker 3: my other books, even a lot of the Pivotgeer, I
Speaker 3: would say that that was pieced together all of these
Speaker 3: little moments that had happened over time, and I didn't
Speaker 3: even know. I had no idea really anything in one
Speaker 3: of an Essays would be a book until way later,
Speaker 3: until we thought oh, it would be a good idea.
Speaker 3: And so then a book like The Mountains You though,
Speaker 3: is a totally different thing, where I started with just
Speaker 3: a really clear vision and idea, and first of all,
Speaker 3: the concept I was just so intrigued by and so
Speaker 3: entrenched in if I could even use that word myself,
Speaker 3: and so like just perplexed by how counterintuitive it is,
Speaker 3: and also how every single person I knew and had
Speaker 3: ever known was also doing it, and when we would
Speaker 3: talk about it, they'd be like, oh, yeah, it was
Speaker 3: just like this instant resonance. So I was so passionate
Speaker 3: about it. But the idea for that book came in
Speaker 3: kind of like all at once, and I knew the title,
Speaker 3: and I had an idea in my head for the cover,
Speaker 3: and it was really really like like I could almost
Speaker 3: close my eyes and like hold my hands out and
Speaker 3: know what it like, what it was to feel like.
Speaker 3: And I remember I have this memory with my book
Speaker 3: designer that when we were finalizing things, the final final
Speaker 3: of the cover, it was like thirty six or thirty
Speaker 3: seven you know, versions, because I just kept making her
Speaker 3: move that little mountain over like one Pika. I was
Speaker 3: like just a little more than I still don't know
Speaker 3: if it's fully even actually as I glance over it,
Speaker 3: you know you still have notes still might But in
Speaker 3: that process, she said something to me very intriguing, which
Speaker 3: is definitely like par for the course of this aspect
Speaker 3: of the process. She said, when you speak about this,
Speaker 3: you're not saying I like this or I don't like this.
Speaker 3: You're saying like, no, it should be here, or this
Speaker 3: is or isn't right, almost as though you feel like
Speaker 3: it already exists, and I'm just trying to make like
Speaker 3: almost a fact simile of what you already know is there.
Speaker 3: I said, No, that's exactly what it feels like to
Speaker 3: me in this case.
Speaker 2: Wow, I gotta try that process sometimes, Like that's that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Are you a karaoke person? I can be what should
Speaker 1: go to karaoke? Song?
Speaker 3: Well? How many drinks? Oh my gosh, but I'm blanking,
Speaker 3: but it's my only song I can sing. Yes, you
Speaker 3: know it? Give me one reason.
Speaker 1: Oh by Tracy Chapman.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, it was like by Luther Vandres.
Speaker 3: I hardly knew you, okay, okay, but even that though,
Speaker 3: like you got to get me in a really specific
Speaker 3: headspace to even make that happen.
Speaker 2: There's a funny story about when I was working on
Speaker 2: the SNL doc, Like, Tracy's one of the most She's
Speaker 2: a true artist and she goes on mood and feeling
Speaker 2: and all those things, and so Saturday Night Live has
Speaker 2: been dying to have her like on the show.
Speaker 1: This is like back in eighty eight eighty nine.
Speaker 2: So what happens is, you know, of course, it's like, hey,
Speaker 2: Tracy Chapman, all right, what's first segment?
Speaker 1: Fast Car? Right, She's like, no, I don't want to
Speaker 1: do that, like she was in her face.
Speaker 2: Nirvana did it too, where they just got tired of
Speaker 2: doing smells like teen spirits, so they stopped doing it.
Speaker 2: So there was like a big controversy and the fact
Speaker 2: that she was just tired of doing Fast Car. You know,
Speaker 2: it's been like a year out and so she's like,
Speaker 2: I will only come to the show if you know,
Speaker 2: I want to do a new song. They're like, no, dude,
Speaker 2: like do your hit or whatever. So you know, it
Speaker 2: didn't happen. And then one day they needed an artist
Speaker 2: and they wanted Tracy Chapman, and so she comes on
Speaker 2: and this is like I think an eighty nine or
Speaker 2: ninety and she does a new song that no one's
Speaker 2: ever hed before. It was give me the reason, which
Speaker 2: at the time she's doing this like six years before
Speaker 2: she will actually release it. So I just remember like
Speaker 2: the attitudes of the staff was like kind of disappointment,
Speaker 2: like why she squandered such a moment.
Speaker 3: I think you would also be tickled to learn that.
Speaker 3: I say this all the time when I'm like posting
Speaker 3: writing or visiting writing, people like to kind of hear
Speaker 3: the hits, the greatest hits a lot, like more than
Speaker 3: you would think. So I kind of for years always
Speaker 3: went but like had this idea in my head of like, oh,
Speaker 3: I always need new material, and then I found that
Speaker 3: to really not be the case, that they were almost
Speaker 3: preferring to hear what they love and know. And I
Speaker 3: always say to Bianca, when it's time, I'm like, it's
Speaker 3: time to play slide or the Googoo dolls, it's time
Speaker 3: to play slide. When it's time to post your new
Speaker 3: life would cost your old one page, no iris, it's
Speaker 3: time to slide.
Speaker 2: But for you in the space, Okay, So for me
Speaker 2: with music, I can write about music, I can release
Speaker 2: an album, I can do a movie. There's there's so
Speaker 2: many avenues I can do and move around it. But
Speaker 2: for you, are there other areas of writing that you're interested?
Speaker 2: Like do you have an inner uh nor efron inside you?
Speaker 2: Are you thinking about screenplays?
Speaker 1: Are you? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But I think creativities you can almost trans for it.
Speaker 2: Like right now on my comfort zone is music docs. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that I like the back of my hand. So there's
Speaker 2: still a carrot on a stick kind of thing where
Speaker 2: people are like, hey, why don't you try this this
Speaker 2: animated series, or let's do this music biopic, like let's
Speaker 2: get out of the doc er. And it's frightening for
Speaker 2: me because I just planted my feed here and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: you're six now, I'm really ready for it, and you
Speaker 2: want me to pivot on. But for you, what would
Speaker 2: that equivalent be? Like do you could you do fiction
Speaker 2: your own series or childhood books or any of those things.
Speaker 3: I've had an idea for a fiction book that's like
Speaker 3: based on the true story of my life for a
Speaker 3: long time, and it's always been a dream to write
Speaker 3: a children's book. And you know, I don't even want
Speaker 3: to compare it to this because if I ever do it,
Speaker 3: one day, I don't. It will never be as good
Speaker 3: as this, But I would love to write something like
Speaker 3: the Giving Tree, something.
Speaker 2: Manifuct yourself, it'll be better than the Giving Tree that
Speaker 2: seems to be.
Speaker 3: Able to pull quote for this episode those perfect yourself.
Speaker 3: I appreciate the course correction. I aspire for it to
Speaker 3: give people that same experience where if maybe you're a parent,
Speaker 3: you're reading it to a child, you yourself are sitting
Speaker 3: with it and kind of being like all right, wow,
Speaker 3: like there's almost something in it for me as well,
Speaker 3: or something is being explained. There's another children's book of
Speaker 3: what do you Do with an Idea? Which I thought
Speaker 3: was just a phenomenal concept, and I wish I had
Speaker 3: come up with it. So things like that, and I,
Speaker 3: you know, I feel this chapter of my life, these
Speaker 3: types of books, books, excuse me, have felt complete for
Speaker 3: a little bit. Now. My last book was Great Callings,
Speaker 3: and that felt like I've been playing with that for
Speaker 3: so long, and then it kind of felt like the
Speaker 3: copstone of like a like a series if I could
Speaker 3: call that. And so I do feel a sense of
Speaker 3: completion with it, like I feel like I said what
Speaker 3: I wanted to say, and now I definitely am in
Speaker 3: a place where I'm interested and I feel right I do,
Speaker 3: and songwriting would be a dream.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: So when you turn in your book, when it's all
Speaker 2: said and done, close the chapter, what's the process that
Speaker 2: happens next to you once you let the book go
Speaker 2: and there's no more writing, Like, can you, and I
Speaker 2: mean metaphorically, can you be still? I feel very empty?
Speaker 2: Sometimes I actually might cry after and I don't mean
Speaker 2: like an emotional thing, like literally, you just have to
Speaker 2: let something go out of you, Like is what is
Speaker 2: the feeling you feel when you regurgitated and get it
Speaker 2: all out of you?
Speaker 3: Relief piece? You asked a question similar before that I
Speaker 3: forgot to answer, and you said, well, how do you
Speaker 3: know when a book is done? Or how do you
Speaker 3: know when it's ready to be a book? And my
Speaker 3: answer to both of these is similar. It's like a
Speaker 3: little wild, but it's genuine and if there's like a
Speaker 3: creative person out there listening, and if you take this
Speaker 3: back into your own life, it'll be worth it. I
Speaker 3: have to get to a place with it where you
Speaker 3: couldn't convince me it's bad. That's how I know.
Speaker 1: It's ready really, So you have to feel it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it can't be other people telling me that
Speaker 3: it's great. I have to know that it is, and
Speaker 3: I have to feel that I did the absolute best
Speaker 3: that I could possibly do.
Speaker 1: What's your version of a demo?
Speaker 3: Like a draft?
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm scared shitless, Like anytime I submit a
Speaker 2: song to the roots, like what do you think? Like
Speaker 2: I'm already having excuses like okay, this is the rough
Speaker 2: mix and my voice sounds bad. I'm just giving you
Speaker 2: the general idea, and there's like shut up in mere
Speaker 2: play this song.
Speaker 3: You know, that's the beginning of like here's the concept
Speaker 3: or like well, okay, so you're asking too about you know,
Speaker 3: like the the creative process, like the technical process of
Speaker 3: when you're putting, you know, putting that book together in particularly,
Speaker 3: so it's kind of like an umbrella it down where
Speaker 3: it's like I have the overall concept of what I
Speaker 3: know I'm trying to get across, and then I break
Speaker 3: it down to the chapters. So it's like right here,
Speaker 3: my here are my sub points, you know, like here's
Speaker 3: here's the next thing I want to get into. And
Speaker 3: I break it down that way so it can be
Speaker 3: even because otherwise I find if I free write it.
Speaker 3: I front load everything in the first chapter, and then
Speaker 3: by the end it's I've got nothing left.
Speaker 2: Who do you trust to be your sounding board? Like
Speaker 2: who talks you off the ledge?
Speaker 3: My fiance, I'm my best friend. But it depends also
Speaker 3: on what part of the process we're at, because there's
Speaker 3: different people. I go to four different things, So it's
Speaker 3: like if it's the concept or the idea, and it's
Speaker 3: we're going back and forth so that if I need
Speaker 3: a sounding board for that, sure, But then once it
Speaker 3: gets a little bit farther along, I'm usually asking more
Speaker 3: technical questions like is this well, where does this make sense?
Speaker 3: Or does this need to be clearer? So it kind
Speaker 3: of evolves for me. But I when that final you know,
Speaker 3: I've talked about this before, But when I got to
Speaker 3: the end of writing the Mountain, as you and I
Speaker 3: wrote those last lines, that is the point of the Mountain.
Speaker 3: I mean, I really mean it. That was a feeling
Speaker 3: like I've never had before in my life, and I
Speaker 3: don't know if I will ever have it again, because
Speaker 3: it was just truly such a process to get there.
Speaker 3: But it was like beauty. It was like awe, it
Speaker 3: was like relief. It was like surrender. It was almost
Speaker 3: like it's not even it's not even a security or
Speaker 3: certainty of you know, everyone will think this is amazing.
Speaker 3: It's that's not even in my head yet. It's just
Speaker 3: more I know that I did everything I could possibly
Speaker 3: do with this idea, like I feel like I did
Speaker 3: it justice. And then I have to get to the
Speaker 3: point where I feel that piece in me and then
Speaker 3: I kind of send it out with this intention, which
Speaker 3: I do find my books to listen to their instructions
Speaker 3: I give, which is you will find who needs it
Speaker 3: when they need it, and not a minute before and
Speaker 3: not a minute after, and who really needs it. And
Speaker 3: I all the people I've ever met are like it was.
Speaker 3: So people tell me all the time that the wild
Speaker 3: stories about how they're like it was exactly what I needed.
Speaker 3: But I was, you know, in my office and my
Speaker 3: coworker had it on the table and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: what's that? Like these like strange roundabout ways that it
Speaker 3: comes to them.
Speaker 2: You say, I'm not laughing at you, You're literally just
Speaker 2: remind You're literally reminded me this. This is the worst,
Speaker 2: all right, this is the worst a mere story I'm
Speaker 2: telling of all time.
Speaker 1: There was one point.
Speaker 2: All right, I've heard on a few sitcoms or whatever,
Speaker 2: like a baby will be a good wingman or a.
Speaker 1: Dog you know, you walk through the park.
Speaker 2: And you know, give me your number whatever. I remember
Speaker 2: you said that, and it just hit me. One day
Speaker 2: I was on a flight and the way that the
Speaker 2: seat was structured, and I was in like one of
Speaker 2: the first rooms like when you get on the thing,
Speaker 2: and I had this out sitting there, and literally like
Speaker 2: seven people.
Speaker 1: Were like whoa, yoh, I love that book to oh
Speaker 1: my god, you read that book to this, and then
Speaker 1: all the mountain yes, And then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: this became like my and my confess.
Speaker 2: But literally yah, there was like a good two weeks
Speaker 2: when I was on tour where like yeah, I want
Speaker 2: to preport okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Strategically.
Speaker 3: See if they notice it, yo, but I tell you no.
Speaker 2: And then but the thing is is also on the
Speaker 2: other side of the cord, is I'm notoriously I'm now
Speaker 2: getting over my no small talk phase, Like seriously, my
Speaker 2: anxiety with small talk is world famous in my circles.
Speaker 2: And so then the wrong person small talk me to death.
Speaker 2: And I just wanted to sleep on the plane. So
Speaker 2: then I've retired the book and stay stayed inside my bag.
Speaker 2: All right, these are my last five questions very quick.
Speaker 3: Okay, rapid fire.
Speaker 1: Uh, this is sort of that, I hope. So what
Speaker 1: was your favorite year?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 1: Wow? Should I ask why? Or no?
Speaker 3: Is this rapid fire?
Speaker 1: But I just who's your least favorite year?
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty? Which I guess doesn't but it really?
Speaker 1: Okay? Okay, what is the greatest cereal of all time?
Speaker 3: Cereal?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What's the greatest cereal of all time?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 3: But I feel like I have bad tastes, so I
Speaker 3: feel like, but we're friends.
Speaker 1: Now, I won't judge you.
Speaker 3: No, I already feel it.
Speaker 1: I'm not judging you.
Speaker 3: No, I feel you're gonna have a reaction.
Speaker 1: Just don't say grape nuts. Go ahead, No, I.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't say that. I was gonna say Reese's Puffs. Puffs. Yeah, see, okay,
Speaker 3: never mind.
Speaker 1: I'm only saying this because.
Speaker 2: You know what, the shame that I feel about being
Speaker 2: late to Star Wars, I commit it to peanut butter
Speaker 2: Captain Crunch, which, if you look at it, Reese's Puffs
Speaker 2: and Peanut Butter Captain Crunch.
Speaker 3: Is sort of similar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's an amalgamation of cocoa puffs and peanut
Speaker 2: butter and chocolate. I love Reese's, That's my favorite candy bar.
Speaker 2: But I'm very much stuck in the Captain Crunch world.
Speaker 2: And actually I found out that, uh, Post Cereal they
Speaker 2: do a lot of their testing for Walmart, So Walmart's
Speaker 2: brand good Morning Cereal whatever I I cannot I cannot
Speaker 2: emphasize this strong enough that the Morning Cereals for Walmart
Speaker 2: some of the best cereals of all time, Like Posts
Speaker 2: will actually do a lot of their experiments.
Speaker 1: They'll do.
Speaker 2: Red velvet cake, like all these experimental Look, I belong
Speaker 2: to a cereal club.
Speaker 1: Why am I confessing like all these things? Do you?
Speaker 1: But yes, it.
Speaker 3: Says Captain Crunch.
Speaker 2: Your answer, Captain Crunch would be my rider. No peanut butter,
Speaker 2: Captain Crunch, but could be mine? My rider died.
Speaker 3: I want to say, fruity Pebbles is up there too
Speaker 3: for me? Yeah, it's what it does to the milk after.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: Shout out to April Broomfield of Milk for doing the
Speaker 2: Cereal milk.
Speaker 1: What is your go to emoji?
Speaker 3: What is the emoji you use the most it's the
Speaker 3: laugh cry one that I.
Speaker 1: Straight up or sideways straight.
Speaker 3: But everyone says that like age is you.
Speaker 1: Oh why if I use that, then I'm am into
Speaker 1: the world and I'm over fifty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you're supposed to do the one on the side.
Speaker 1: I do the one on the side.
Speaker 3: You're right, okay, I do the laugh cry and then
Speaker 3: I would say that.
Speaker 1: The wait right now.
Speaker 3: Not well, not personally, but I've just like noticed, I
Speaker 3: feel like younger people use different ones that I do
Speaker 3: the laugh cry oh. And then he's saying that I
Speaker 3: do the like the sobbing one a lot, okay, And
Speaker 3: I use that interchangeably for I'm happy or like.
Speaker 1: Wow, black eyed sobbing.
Speaker 3: I just like the like tears streaming down. I use
Speaker 3: that one a lot, and then just like a I
Speaker 3: use it like a heart a lot.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll do this.
Speaker 3: One, you know, the hands, Yeah, I think those are
Speaker 3: my top content?
Speaker 5: Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you being a gen z shame right now?
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I have a gen z shame.
Speaker 2: That I'll share mine if you share yours. I didn't
Speaker 2: realize how old the concept of cash is.
Speaker 3: I don't think I think I'm learning right now.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I know, but this current generation.
Speaker 2: So when I'm at thirty Rock, I'll sometimes maybe instead
Speaker 2: of uber eating, I will just send an intern down
Speaker 2: to get me a slice of pizza in the basement
Speaker 2: and bring it up to my office at thirty Rock.
Speaker 2: And this was such a case where I wanted a pizza,
Speaker 2: so I got my joorer, pulled my wallet out, and
Speaker 2: all I know is a week later, my niece who
Speaker 2: also interns there, kind of had a quiet intervention thing.
Speaker 2: But it's sort of like a yeah, so everyone in
Speaker 2: the office is talking about like you have this big
Speaker 2: giant wad of cash, and I'm like, what are they saying.
Speaker 2: They're like, well, you know, they've just never seen money
Speaker 2: like that before, and a wallet like do.
Speaker 1: You know what vemo is?
Speaker 5: Know what like?
Speaker 2: And up until that point, I'd never paid for anything
Speaker 2: on my iPhone.
Speaker 3: You never used like Apple wallet.
Speaker 2: So I got shame so bad that it was to
Speaker 2: the point where like I've called my girlfriend like, yo,
Speaker 2: I just paid for gas with my iPhone, like for
Speaker 2: the first Like it's such a such an achievement, Like
Speaker 2: they were joking about it. But when I tell you,
Speaker 2: when I got home and the way they just laugh
Speaker 2: at me for having a wallet with money in it.
Speaker 2: It's like, like, I felt like, Boomer, what's your shame?
Speaker 3: I think it's the emoji. Just using emojis was just
Speaker 3: the laugh emoji that I choose. I feel like I
Speaker 3: always them being like, oh, like millennials do that.
Speaker 1: Oh, so I hate that feeling. I hate that feeling.
Speaker 1: I admit something though.
Speaker 2: I saw all a text that Miss Lauren Hill sent
Speaker 2: once and kind of chastised me for some and then
Speaker 2: I say it on social media. But my only takeaway
Speaker 2: of it was like, she knows what emoji's are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a wild episode. Do you collect anything?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What do you collect?
Speaker 3: This is another wild one. Lay Labo City perfumes when
Speaker 3: I travel.
Speaker 1: Yo, there's so many things you've mentioned to me and
Speaker 1: pop culture that I've never heard of.
Speaker 3: Have I hit the ten mark yet?
Speaker 2: I feel like this is twenty. I feel like I
Speaker 2: do not deserve this show. It feels so exposed right now.
Speaker 1: So what is this?
Speaker 3: Okay, it's the perfume brand lay Laboka, But they have
Speaker 3: stores in different cities all around the world, and each
Speaker 3: city will have its own scent that you can only
Speaker 3: get in that city other than in the month of September.
Speaker 3: You can order refills online, but other than that, you
Speaker 3: can only get like Lymette I think is San Francisco
Speaker 3: or something, so like you have to go to that
Speaker 3: city to get at that cent. So when I.
Speaker 1: Traveled, me are made.
Speaker 3: Someone just asked me this, and I don't know the
Speaker 3: exact number, but it's it's like a lot. But anyway,
Speaker 3: when I travel, I try to find the store and
Speaker 3: buy their city sense. So I have a lot of
Speaker 3: I probably have. I don't even know how many. I
Speaker 3: don't have all of them yet, but I have.
Speaker 1: I haven't a collection of it perfume nice, okay. I
Speaker 1: that only reminds me.
Speaker 2: There were two girls, probably like maybe fifteen twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: One of them had a daughter that wanted snow globes
Speaker 2: from around the world, so that turned me into a
Speaker 2: collector of vet. And then there was another one that
Speaker 2: I dated. She wanted I didn't know that these Starbucks
Speaker 2: mug collecting game was so intense.
Speaker 3: I didn't know about this either.
Speaker 2: Actually, it's it's the most intense called about, like when
Speaker 2: you go on eBay, like to find a special Milwaukee level.
Speaker 2: I figured that way into this girl's heart is through these.
Speaker 3: Mugs and literally wise by the way, but it was.
Speaker 1: Like six hundred mugs.
Speaker 2: Six hundred it was, you know, to so enthusiastic about
Speaker 2: the last one.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, well, whatever city I'm in,
Speaker 1: I'll just.
Speaker 3: Collect, okay, but if not to impress a woman, is
Speaker 3: there anything you collect other than that?
Speaker 2: I'm in the getting rid of things faced, So I'm uh,
Speaker 2: that's a hard part. I mean, I've collected absolutely any
Speaker 2: and everything. I think right now, artwork is my thing.
Speaker 2: It used to be records, but I capped it at
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand, so now I'm on to artwork.
Speaker 3: You have two d thousand records.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it used to be me just individually shopping and
Speaker 2: buying records over the years, and then in the last
Speaker 2: five years many a library has shut down unceremoniously. Radio
Speaker 2: stations right now, NPR is going through it. So I
Speaker 2: often get a hey, you know, government subsidies. You know
Speaker 2: we have to shut down. We have like fifteen thousand
Speaker 2: records in our jazz program. We don't, I mean, we
Speaker 2: can give them the good will, but we know you
Speaker 2: love records, gest loove, like if you would like these,
Speaker 2: So I've just been in the last five years taken.
Speaker 1: This college is fifteen thousand records. And wow, maybe.
Speaker 2: This member of the Four Tops died and his daughter's like, hey.
Speaker 3: Take these chunks.
Speaker 1: Also, they know I'm the record hoarder, but then you know.
Speaker 3: We also collect records, but nowhere near that many.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bad. I just got to farm some building.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in twenty twenty, you're going.
Speaker 3: To have a record house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will.
Speaker 3: Can you send me a picture.
Speaker 1: I will send you a picture of this. Yes, I'll
Speaker 1: invite you to the grand opening.
Speaker 3: I would love to come.
Speaker 1: Still building it.
Speaker 2: All right, So the last thing, when all said and done,
Speaker 2: I know this is a dumb question. I really wish
Speaker 2: I closed on the serial question. Yeah, what what do
Speaker 2: you hope that we say about you when all is
Speaker 2: said and done.
Speaker 3: I hope you say that she was really brave.
Speaker 1: I'll take that. Rihanna, thank you so much for coming
Speaker 1: on my show. This is a long time coming.
Speaker 2: I thought you would have never I almost felt like
Speaker 2: this might be an exercise on your part, Like I
Speaker 2: feel like I forced you out of here your comfort
Speaker 2: zone or in the shadows or something, or we're gonna have,
Speaker 2: you know, six extra weeks of sun and you know.
Speaker 3: Well that yes, but that's just you know.
Speaker 1: I feel accomplished. This, this was this was a big
Speaker 1: get for me.
Speaker 3: This was an honor to be here.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much. Friend. I appreciate you.
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