WEBVTT - Brianna Wiest

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Left Show is a production of iHeart Radio. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be normal today, right, We're gonna be.

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<v Speaker 2>There's gonna be two regular secular people just talking.

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<v Speaker 1>So, ladies and gentlemen, this is the Quest Left Show.

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<v Speaker 2>For the past six years that I've been on this platform,

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<v Speaker 2>I have spoken candidly about my journey. I always think

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<v Speaker 2>that when I start talking about like the quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>journey I've been on that you guys are.

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<v Speaker 1>Like secretly eye rolling me, like here he goes again.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, for the for the three people that

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<v Speaker 2>turn off before I get to it. I'll say that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot has happened in my life post twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as in the name of growth, in my profession,

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<v Speaker 2>my personal life, my discoveries in the mental health space.

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<v Speaker 2>Even my next musical documentary project, which comes out on

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<v Speaker 2>HBO this year on Earth, Wind and Fire, deals a

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<v Speaker 2>lot in metaphysics.

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<v Speaker 1>And I will say that at least.

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<v Speaker 2>In the first four months before shooting, I dove into

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<v Speaker 2>almost every book that I could get into from every

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<v Speaker 2>author on the subject, be it Gay Hendricks, Jodaspenza, Florence Scovel, Shinn,

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<v Speaker 2>Richard Rudd, Nevill Goddard, Trisher, Hearsay, NATURALA Glover. I had

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<v Speaker 2>to write these down because there's a lot Barbariahan kleole

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<v Speaker 2>Ta Swartt, David Hawkins, even Napoleon Hill, so on and

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<v Speaker 2>so forth. But I will say that of all the

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<v Speaker 2>material that I've immersed myself into, I will say that

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<v Speaker 2>our guest today, who's probably highly uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 3>Not yet.

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<v Speaker 2>When I start going in on how impactful this book

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<v Speaker 2>in particular has been on my life. There are several

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<v Speaker 2>books The Art of Letting Go, I'm the Hero of

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<v Speaker 2>my Own life, The Truth About Everything, most popular, probably

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and one essays that will change the way

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<v Speaker 2>you think. The pivot year is so many, but of

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<v Speaker 2>course my all time favorite of that canon is The

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<v Speaker 2>Mountain is You and the subtitle transforming the self Sabotage

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<v Speaker 2>into self Mastery. Her book has reached millions of people

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<v Speaker 2>just like me. Any artist that I know, any period

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<v Speaker 2>that I know, I've purchased this book. I think I've

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<v Speaker 2>purchased this book at least four hundred times. This book

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<v Speaker 2>entered at a time in my life which I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know I was self sabotaged myself. Anyway, this is making

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<v Speaker 2>me uncomfortable. Now to do this speels like a lifetime achievement,

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<v Speaker 2>a war. You're about to receive, ladies and gentlemen. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let me just say, Brianna, I want to thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for coming to the Quest Love Show.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good? Thank you for having me from.

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<v Speaker 1>One to ten? How awkward is this right now? Zero?

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<v Speaker 3>You're all good?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, he's in now with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me give you just a slight background. Because we're

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<v Speaker 2>not strangers. I'd like to say that we're we're we're

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<v Speaker 2>between friends and acquaintances, you know. I mean, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>at each other's house like cooking dinner or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 2>I feel lucky that I'm able to text you Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we're friends. Well, I'll just say when we first met,

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<v Speaker 2>it was surreal for me because I had just started

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<v Speaker 2>hosting game nights. Everyone's heard about my game nights, and

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<v Speaker 2>really game nights are supposed to be a good arthartic

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<v Speaker 2>act on my part to step out of my comfort zone.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to control the atmosphere from which I'm in, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like going out as much, so hiding behind

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<v Speaker 2>a turntable or drum set or anything is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>my way of going out, like, oh, I went to

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<v Speaker 2>a club last night, but I also had to DJ

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<v Speaker 2>that club, so I didn't talk to anyone, but I

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<v Speaker 2>got to be that environment. But I will ask you

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<v Speaker 2>how challenging is this part of the journey for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm a person that wants to do maximum impact

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<v Speaker 2>or my gifts.

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<v Speaker 1>But when it's time.

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<v Speaker 2>To the reciprocation part to get the love and to

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<v Speaker 2>meet people and to be one on one and all

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<v Speaker 2>those things, I'm Captain hide and plane site Smurf.

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<v Speaker 1>Same despite looking like this like same, I understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Like taking my hair out now is like a major challenge,

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<v Speaker 2>like uh do I got to you know?

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<v Speaker 1>But also I'm not fulling anyone. I'm still me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>For you you, what is it like that we now

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<v Speaker 1>forced you to be our guru like against you will?

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<v Speaker 3>That's probably That's actually a really accurate way to describe

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<v Speaker 3>it too.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the reason why I was slow to say

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<v Speaker 2>the friend part only is that because I'm that way too.

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<v Speaker 2>I so don't want to freak you out. You're not

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<v Speaker 2>you know, tricks Rabbit or the Cocoa Puffs commercial like okay,

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<v Speaker 2>mere just.

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<v Speaker 1>Make it feel normal.

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<v Speaker 3>Today we can we can be friends? Okay, cool as

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<v Speaker 3>of today, let's agree we're friends. We are friends as

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<v Speaker 3>of right now, now that you know, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 3>know me, if left to my own devices, I would

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<v Speaker 3>live at my mountain house and never be seen again.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, part of that is just that's where

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<v Speaker 3>I feel free and happy and inspired. But the other

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<v Speaker 3>part of that, and this is a visual I've had

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<v Speaker 3>for years, is it's kind of like you graduate high

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<v Speaker 3>school and then someone throws you a graduation party and

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<v Speaker 3>you're sitting upstairs and you have your arms crossed and

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<v Speaker 3>you're staring at the wall, and it's like what you

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<v Speaker 3>already did the hardest part, you know, like come down,

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<v Speaker 3>come down, and you know, enjoy it. But yeah, there

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<v Speaker 3>is I've just noticed for everyone. Really it's like it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's almost easier to say, like, oh I have to

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<v Speaker 3>work really hard to earn something or to deserve it,

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<v Speaker 3>and then when it's a matter of just we'll just

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<v Speaker 3>show up, just your presence can be enough. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>I find that to be somewhat universal, just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like is it And the answer is, of course it is.

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<v Speaker 3>But also you're you're about game nights too, I just

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<v Speaker 3>as an aside. I have so many stories about those

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<v Speaker 3>I've never told you. Oh no, well, actually I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how I know how good. One time, I think

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<v Speaker 3>like like scared Ali Wong into leaving.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute, no, I hit Ali. I texted her.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you text her and tell her like that's a

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<v Speaker 3>normal person.

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<v Speaker 2>She go, there, I so vouched for you, like I've dried.

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<v Speaker 2>She has your books. She definitely goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, okay, because in that moment, you know, you reach

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<v Speaker 3>a certain part of the night where like your inhibitions

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<v Speaker 3>are gone. That's why I see her and I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>we were drunk. Yeah, well that was that was my

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<v Speaker 3>polite way of saying, like a few drinks and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>like and like, you just lose it. And so I

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<v Speaker 3>basically corner her right and I'm like I love you.

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<v Speaker 3>And she was like oh, and I'm not kidding. For

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<v Speaker 3>a second, she like almost looked over shoulder, like to

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<v Speaker 3>look for security, like for a split second, was just

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<v Speaker 3>like oh hi. And I was like, and I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I was just so weird. I was like, I love

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<v Speaker 3>you so much, and she was like, oh, it's great.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>She was so composed and polite, and I was hysterical,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I said, like the weirdest thing I could

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<v Speaker 3>possibly say to her. I was like, I really used

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<v Speaker 3>to fall asleep, like watching your specials all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>She was like, oh, why.

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<v Speaker 1>It just came. I know.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like the most awkward thing that you could

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<v Speaker 3>say to a person, because what are you saying? Like

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<v Speaker 3>they're boring. I'm like, no, I just mean I love you.

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<v Speaker 3>I watch your stuff. And so she's by the end,

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<v Speaker 3>she's you know, handling it so well, and I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>like leaned all the way in and She's like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I have kids, so I have to go.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, all right, So you hit me

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<v Speaker 2>immediately afterwards. If it were anyone else, I know, if

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<v Speaker 2>it were anyone else, I would have just been like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, no, no, they'll be cool man.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, but I knew Ali didn't know who you were.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also know that I don't want to be

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, when a person finds a new toy,

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<v Speaker 2>or like when a brand new vegan or a new

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<v Speaker 2>we're laughing at that person. That just the person that

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<v Speaker 2>wants to force you a gunpoint to try their way

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<v Speaker 2>at life and try this. And I'm very careful on

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<v Speaker 2>how I spring this on her, Like the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>she came to game night was like I've been trying

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<v Speaker 2>for at least six other times to get her to come,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it's hard to explain to people, like

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<v Speaker 2>the absurdity, like the reputation of it now is out there,

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<v Speaker 2>so now it's like, oh, everyone wants to come. But

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<v Speaker 2>in those first like four times, right, it was just like.

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<v Speaker 3>Even with the well, no, she's never going to come back.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, once I explained.

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<v Speaker 2>Who you were, and I'm telling you, I'm your biggest champion,

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<v Speaker 2>like I have my entire community now, trust me, I

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<v Speaker 2>landed the plan for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for doing that. I think it was all fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Then for those listening, a mirror is playing a cool

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<v Speaker 3>but he actually has been like my personal, unpaid, unofficial

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<v Speaker 3>person for like years.

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<v Speaker 1>No, man, it's just that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I directly told you, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think I've shared this story here before that oftentimes when

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<v Speaker 2>a person is self sabotaging, they don't know that they're

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<v Speaker 2>self sabotaging, and even more intense, well, they're self sabotaging.

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<v Speaker 2>But then there's a step beyond that, which good friend

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<v Speaker 2>of mine Lauren Xander came up with a term called manifucking.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I was going to bring this up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you can manifest or you can manifuct it.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you please write a book at that title.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, that's Lauren's word. You know she's in the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Space as well. Yes she will. She I totally trademarket already.

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<v Speaker 2>But the first time I heard manifucking was heard basically

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<v Speaker 2>telling me the night of them miss Slap at the Oscars.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>She told me, I manifucked that moment, and I was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I was in denial first, like I did

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<v Speaker 2>man fuck that?

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<v Speaker 1>And she was like, yeah, who, but.

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<v Speaker 2>You is scared of his own shadow and scared of

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<v Speaker 2>leadership and scared of.

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<v Speaker 1>Shining his light.

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<v Speaker 2>Like anytime you turn around, you'll find a way to

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<v Speaker 2>dim your light. And there's a way to actually inherently

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<v Speaker 2>ask the universe to create a distraction. So she said

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<v Speaker 2>that I know you, and I know that you were

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<v Speaker 2>so shit scared of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Moment of winning and.

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<v Speaker 2>Elevating yourself and being the leader, that stuff that you

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<v Speaker 2>told the universe. If there's a way to distract me

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<v Speaker 2>getting glory from this moment and take it.

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<v Speaker 1>Away from me. I will take it right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And then suddenly that moment became centered around the slap

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<v Speaker 2>and no one knows about I'm in industry.

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<v Speaker 1>People know.

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<v Speaker 2>But I sat down and then I thought about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and the person I was dating at the time, she

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<v Speaker 2>was next gave me the Mountains you And then that's

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<v Speaker 2>when I first learned what self sabotage was. And so

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<v Speaker 2>oftentimes I'm in a position in which I'm in.

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<v Speaker 1>The passengers seat.

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<v Speaker 2>Many an artist, and artists have a tendency to overthink

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<v Speaker 2>and then they just get spiraled in this endless sea

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<v Speaker 2>of yarn that they can't get themselves out of. And

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<v Speaker 2>so literally any artist I've ever worked with, I gave.

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<v Speaker 1>This to them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say for least half of them, I know that

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<v Speaker 2>they've read it. I know that twenty five percent of

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<v Speaker 2>them like they were transformed. And really, even the night

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<v Speaker 2>that you first came, the amount of people when I

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<v Speaker 2>had to whisper to them, Okay, you remember that book

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<v Speaker 2>that I got you for Christmas last year.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the author right there.

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<v Speaker 2>And the way that they will grab my like the

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<v Speaker 2>nail wow, like in Prince of them grabbing my arm.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so it's hard for me to imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>Me also telling them you not say it a limit

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<v Speaker 2>to freak her out, like I had to hold at

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<v Speaker 2>least four people back, you know. And actually I think

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<v Speaker 2>when the night that Jojo met you, I think I

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<v Speaker 2>just got her that book maybe a week ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Way, she's another one. She's a friend now. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>seeing her in like a week. But initially she was

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<v Speaker 3>another one that I like, like moving things off the table.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, open my arms out, I was like hello,

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<v Speaker 3>and she actually knew me. Actually, so thank you for

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<v Speaker 3>you made that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm telling you, you're doing the Lord's work right now,

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<v Speaker 2>like people know you. Do you ever have fears of

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<v Speaker 2>letting people down or disappointing them?

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<v Speaker 1>And how do you handle it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? All of the time. I think that I try

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<v Speaker 3>to just find my inner stability in just thinking like

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<v Speaker 3>I've done my best and I'm doing the best that

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<v Speaker 3>I could possibly do with what I've got. And even if,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, sometimes I feel like it's almost harder to

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<v Speaker 3>feel like I'm failing myself. But I think that when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to trying not to let other people down,

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<v Speaker 3>I think you would imagine that people would, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>want me to be so perfect and so put together

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<v Speaker 3>all the time. But I actually find more often that

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<v Speaker 3>their touch point with me is kind of a check in.

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<v Speaker 3>They want me to affirm which the answer is, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>is it okay to not have it figured out? Even

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<v Speaker 3>where I'm at now? And of course the answer is yes.

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<v Speaker 3>And I feel like they find a comfort in connecting

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<v Speaker 3>over the fact that, look, we're literally all just figuring

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<v Speaker 3>it out, you know, until the very end of this thing,

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<v Speaker 3>and I feel like just being as authentic as I

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<v Speaker 3>possibly can be. If I focus on the connection with that,

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<v Speaker 3>then it kind of alleviates that fear of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>am I enough or not enough? Because if I get

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<v Speaker 3>into the am I enough game is when I really

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<v Speaker 3>will never win in my own mind. So like, if

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<v Speaker 3>I can focus instead on like what's true to me

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<v Speaker 3>and what's what's the connective tissue here, then I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like it goes deeper than you know, am I enough

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<v Speaker 3>or not?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>So basically pre twenty twenty and this is really true

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<v Speaker 2>for maybe a lot of people in my field. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying my field, I don't know what umbrother you

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<v Speaker 2>will put me under. I mean, I guess I'm under

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<v Speaker 2>the hip hop generation or Black gen X generation.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was going to ask, I was like, what

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<v Speaker 3>is I feel like?

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<v Speaker 2>You have many I have no idea where I belong,

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of omnipresent. But you know, hip hop culture

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<v Speaker 2>is like hustle culture, and hustle culture basically means that

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<v Speaker 2>your brain is going to be your GPS, and you

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<v Speaker 2>have to particulously plan everything and you have to be

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<v Speaker 2>in control of everything. And I noticed, probably maybe around

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<v Speaker 2>the time I turned thirty, that between the balance of

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<v Speaker 2>like brain and heart, that maybe I was like ninety

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<v Speaker 2>five percent brain and five percent heart.

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<v Speaker 1>Somehow I managed to numb.

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<v Speaker 2>Myself even with like music even became a technical thing,

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<v Speaker 2>a scientific thing. I'm known for, like studying how the

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<v Speaker 2>mechanics of music.

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<v Speaker 1>Are, and da da da da da.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet if you were to tell me right now I'm here,

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to get on those turntables and spend

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<v Speaker 2>ten songs right now, I probably panic because ohh and

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<v Speaker 2>I need four hours to.

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<v Speaker 1>Plan this meticulous genius thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if you give me all the time in the

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<v Speaker 2>world to plan stuff, I'll come up with something like

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<v Speaker 2>mental level. But it also sues me like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't operate by my heart anymore, like the passion of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm now just in a technical scientific so I have

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<v Speaker 2>to learn how to undo all those things after twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>But for you, is that the same thing? Like is

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<v Speaker 2>it a struggle every day? Because I saw a recent

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<v Speaker 2>headline where it says that we need to stop asking

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<v Speaker 2>what is our purpose in life? Oh? Y, or I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's a misquot or now. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I generally agree with the sentiment. My whole thing is

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<v Speaker 2>that if you're in hustle culture, that basically means that

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<v Speaker 2>something traumatic happened in your past, which then will scare

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<v Speaker 2>the Jesus out of you to only make you think

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<v Speaker 2>about the future.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I was one of those people that

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<v Speaker 1>like had a.

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<v Speaker 2>Vision board and all these things and what goals in

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<v Speaker 2>life do I want? So for you, how is one

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to really truly live in the present? Especially how

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<v Speaker 2>do we find zen space in the present that we're

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<v Speaker 2>in right now?

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<v Speaker 3>So you're talking about, you know, the head versus the heart. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>When I think about creating, it's to me, it's like

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<v Speaker 3>two vehicles. It's like two different cars that I drive

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<v Speaker 3>and so when I'm sitting down and I'm writing, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm making a book or a just anything that I'm making,

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<v Speaker 3>it's coming all from my center place. It's coming all

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<v Speaker 3>from the limits test entirely is just does this move me?

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<v Speaker 3>Am I with this? Do I feel this? Does this

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<v Speaker 3>resonate for me? Is this changing me? Just to create it?

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<v Speaker 3>And when you're in that place, I can't think of

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<v Speaker 3>the audience. I can't think of the reader. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>really think of Actually, if I start thinking about anyone

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<v Speaker 3>else reading it or anyone else seeing it, I'll kind

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<v Speaker 3>of freeze up so much I won't even be able to,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, move through it. I think that's also why

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<v Speaker 3>nature has been you know, I allude to nature so

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<v Speaker 3>many times. It's obviously in that particular title, but woven throughout.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say that that's been such a profound muse

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<v Speaker 3>for me. But I also think that what it allows

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<v Speaker 3>me is the space to feel unobserved or unseen but

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<v Speaker 3>in a positive way, where I feel free, and I

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<v Speaker 3>you know, writing has been one of the greatest loves

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<v Speaker 3>of my life. You know, whether nobody ever read it, it

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<v Speaker 3>would still have always been one of the greatest loves

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<v Speaker 3>of my life and when I started doing it fifteen, however,

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<v Speaker 3>many years ago, I kind of made a promise with

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<v Speaker 3>myself which was, Okay, you create freely, and we're always

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<v Speaker 3>going to take a pause between what's on the page

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<v Speaker 3>and what you know goes into a book, so you

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<v Speaker 3>feel like you always have that space to just not

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<v Speaker 3>be self conscious and just create. And then so that's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of vehicle one. That's my that's my heart vehicle.

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<v Speaker 3>And then when I get into the second one, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's when it's like, Okay, well it's going to go

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<v Speaker 3>out into the world and you know, what does the

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<v Speaker 3>what does the cover look like? Or what you know

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<v Speaker 3>should I be doing? And then it's kind of more

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<v Speaker 3>of that like mental and strategic. So to me, it's

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<v Speaker 3>like it's it's utilizing both, but it's knowing when. And

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<v Speaker 3>something that helps me a lot is I think that

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<v Speaker 3>the heart tells me what and my head tells me how,

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<v Speaker 3>and then when we switch them, I think that's when

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<v Speaker 3>we can sometimes feel really stuck or lost when we're

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<v Speaker 3>trying to have the head tell us you know what

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<v Speaker 3>and the heart tell us how, because that's I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like that that's not their jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So when I first started my profession, I

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<v Speaker 2>had to learn, maybe by like year three, find my tribe.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, so hey common most stuff and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like all all of my Constituentsy is there a thread

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<v Speaker 2>with like you Mel Robbins and Jodaspenza and like all

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<v Speaker 2>these self help Like is the peer community the same

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<v Speaker 2>in this space as it is musically? Like musically I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to find all the drummers, all the bass players, all.

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<v Speaker 1>The mcs on.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I see what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a community in your space?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm probably the wrong person asks. I don't know those people,

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<v Speaker 3>but like I'm very close to like my best friend Bianca,

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<v Speaker 3>who's a poet. We've done everything together for ten years.

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<v Speaker 3>So I kind of have my own thing going on

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<v Speaker 3>your own, But I think there maybe there is. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just so much as much a part of it as

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<v Speaker 3>I would like to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, no, no, I mean that's that's look.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people also need to be in a bubble where

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<v Speaker 2>their own world, and that's what makes it work. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to find if there's a parallel in the

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<v Speaker 2>musical creative community as it is in the headspace community

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<v Speaker 2>in which there's collaborations or there's yes.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that there's also a lot of parallels

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<v Speaker 3>in music and writing in general, both in the industry,

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<v Speaker 3>because I have friends other than you. Now that we've

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<v Speaker 3>established that we're friends.

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<v Speaker 1>We're friends, we're still friends.

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<v Speaker 3>I have friends who are very much in that world,

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<v Speaker 3>And just when we're talking about, you know, what we're

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<v Speaker 3>working on or what's going on, a lot of things

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<v Speaker 3>are very similar. But even beyond the outside of what's

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<v Speaker 3>very similar, I find the process is very similar. And

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<v Speaker 3>when he's like I'm struggling with something or I feel stuck,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think you know, no matter what your

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<v Speaker 3>medium is, that it comes out on the journey from

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<v Speaker 3>you know, starting with an idea and then getting it

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<v Speaker 3>out into the world is something that I think we

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<v Speaker 3>have more in common with than not, like anyone who

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<v Speaker 3>does that.

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<v Speaker 2>Got what is your morning routine or what was it

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be when you're not traveling and lobby calls

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<v Speaker 2>at you know, five am?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I have a lot to say about a

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<v Speaker 3>morning routine.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, buckle up, Are you about to knock down my jinger?

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<v Speaker 5>No, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready for it.

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<v Speaker 3>So when I was really actively like writing and writing

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<v Speaker 3>the books. The first thing I would do every single

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<v Speaker 3>morning is wake up and write before I did literally

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<v Speaker 3>anything else. And I did that to really just strengthen

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<v Speaker 3>that muscle. I really believe that creativity is a muscle.

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<v Speaker 3>So it would be the first thing I did, even

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<v Speaker 3>if it was just for fifteen twenty minutes, and I

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<v Speaker 3>did that for years.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you write manually or just grab your laptop?

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<v Speaker 3>Either one. Sometimes I would just grab the laptop. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>it's just faster with my hands, do you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean? Just to get it's like I'm losing the

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<v Speaker 3>ideas before I can even just write them with my hand.

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<v Speaker 3>If not that, I go outside and go for a walk,

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<v Speaker 3>and especially when I have a coffee and just to

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<v Speaker 3>be outside and get clear. When I'm working or traveling,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a little bit different. Like this morning, I went

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<v Speaker 3>and got a coffee and you know, went to the

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<v Speaker 3>lobby and you know, had a minute to just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of breathe and let things set. But so, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I've read all the books, and I you know, for years,

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<v Speaker 3>have felt like, you know, oh, I need to have

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<v Speaker 3>a really optimized morning routine like so many people, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's so effective for them. And I found a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of the time that if I tried to override what

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<v Speaker 3>my you know, body, mind, spirit and life were telling

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<v Speaker 3>me I needed in that moment because I thought that's

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<v Speaker 3>what I should be doing, it would almost have like

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<v Speaker 3>a counter effect on me, Like I'd become less productive

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<v Speaker 3>because I tried to like like wake up at you know,

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<v Speaker 3>four forty five, like everyone says you should and like

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<v Speaker 3>exercise first thing, Like I'm someone that like exercise exhausts me. Sure, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but everyone else says, like, you know, it's it's very

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<v Speaker 3>it gives them energy, you know, And then that makes

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<v Speaker 3>sense to me, you know, and I understand it. But

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<v Speaker 3>I just found that for myself, I would sit down

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, I'd really be starting to get into

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<v Speaker 3>and I'd be like, oh my god, I've got nothing left.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's kind of when it clicked me, like, right, well,

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<v Speaker 3>if you know that you're the clearest and like the

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<v Speaker 3>most productive in this time, to use that time for

0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:58.879
<v Speaker 3>what really really like counts and so whether that's you know,

0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:01.800
<v Speaker 3>being outside doing something I love, you know, walking something

0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:06.200
<v Speaker 3>I love. Also something about writing first thing is that

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.480
<v Speaker 3>it was almost kind of like I didn't have time

0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 3>to get in my own head or stop myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you understand the laws of theta mind state vaguely,

0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:21.720
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I mean basically, your brain is divided into

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<v Speaker 2>five parts alpha, Beta, Theta, data, and gamma. And of

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<v Speaker 2>course the alpha is hyper aware of everything, like this

0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:33.000
<v Speaker 2>is the color white, this is wood, this is you know,

0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:36.480
<v Speaker 2>like a sweater. And this happens a lot for songwriters,

0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:41.080
<v Speaker 2>which is why most of the creative and successful people

0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:45.960
<v Speaker 2>you know do take advantage of the four AM. It's

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<v Speaker 2>said that the first forty five minutes of your day

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:51.159
<v Speaker 2>when you're like struggling to wake up, when you're pressing

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.560
<v Speaker 2>this snooze button one more time, when you're in that

0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:59.399
<v Speaker 2>sort of state, that's when the genius part starts, like

0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:03.000
<v Speaker 2>if you force yourself. It took me like maybe last

0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 2>three years, especially for this album that we're working on,

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:08.560
<v Speaker 2>like all my ideas come to me the second I

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 2>wake up. Or also the opposite is when you're dead tired. Basically,

0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 2>when you're alpha, the the aware part is asleep. Then

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:23.400
<v Speaker 2>the rest of your brain which still is awake to

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 2>operate your heart and the body parts that you don't

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:31.240
<v Speaker 2>that's what guides you. So for you right, even if

0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:33.600
<v Speaker 2>you're like fully half asleep or whatever.

0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:36.959
<v Speaker 3>That's basically and I think that's also reminds me of

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:39.239
<v Speaker 3>something years ago someone told me to do and it

0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:43.199
<v Speaker 3>was so incredibly effective, which was to make like a

0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 3>voice note or voice recording of my own voice, you know,

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:49.960
<v Speaker 3>saying affirmations and to fall asleep listening to them, or

0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:52.160
<v Speaker 3>to listen to them when you just wake up.

0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Do that all the time, do you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not surprised. And then it's something about kind of

0:25:57.359 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 3>the like your brain is most pressionable at that time

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:04.040
<v Speaker 3>when you're in that state, and then it's kind of like,

0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:05.720
<v Speaker 3>I forget exactly what they were telling me. It was

0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:08.880
<v Speaker 3>like when your subconscious state. Yeah, when your brain here's

0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:11.160
<v Speaker 3>something right before it falls asleep, you know, it takes

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:13.439
<v Speaker 3>it and it kind of logs it. It's kind of

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's filing it away in a way that

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:18.440
<v Speaker 3>it's not when you're you know, I guess in your

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<v Speaker 3>what is alphabet? Like what state are we in? Now?

0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, we're in an alphae?

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:22.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right now?

0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So well that's the thing.

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:29.119
<v Speaker 2>Another experience that's almost akin or equivalent to sleeping in

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:31.000
<v Speaker 2>that state is driving.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're fool.

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so all the books when like when I take

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 2>your books, any music I create, any books I read.

0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:44.080
<v Speaker 2>I just especially back when I was going back and

0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.439
<v Speaker 2>forth between the farm I was staying at and my

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 2>city in the apartment, which you know, it's like a two.

0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Hour process driving back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>If you listen to those books even though you're driving

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:57.879
<v Speaker 2>and you're up and you're aware, like you're still in

0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:02.760
<v Speaker 2>a subconscious state. And that's literally how I learn and

0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 2>take in everything, Like I don't do the whole I

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:09.119
<v Speaker 2>thought it was like repeating nineteen times over this thing.

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:13.199
<v Speaker 1>No, I go to sleep, wake up, know it like instantly.

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:15.800
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So this is fascinating to me as well because

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:19.880
<v Speaker 3>driving is actually a big part of my process as well,

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:23.360
<v Speaker 3>Like huge, Yeah, I would say that. So I wrote

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:25.480
<v Speaker 3>the Mountains you in Bixer and I lived there for

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 3>a few years, and you know, when I was first

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 3>going there, I'm driving it on Highway one, and this

0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 3>is the first time I ever had this experience. I

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 3>think for me personally, it was the combination of you

0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:36.680
<v Speaker 3>know what nature like that does for me, but also

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 3>it's the element of driving of putting myself in that state.

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 3>I seriously would be pulling over on the side of

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:44.960
<v Speaker 3>the road like mid drive because I'm like, I can't

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:47.440
<v Speaker 3>even get and I couldn't even get it out fast enough.

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Are crazy, Yes, Like.

0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 3>I can't even write this down fast enough. And I

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 3>think the very like gross way I was describing I

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:58.159
<v Speaker 3>was like, it's like throwing up. It is like like

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:01.000
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't control it. But then also what was more

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 3>amazing about it was if I didn't write it down

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:05.119
<v Speaker 3>as fast as I could, it's like I would lose it.

0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:06.400
<v Speaker 3>Do you know what I mean?

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Nothing worse than right for you, at least as words

0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:13.360
<v Speaker 2>like it's horrible or horrible When you're trying to hum

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 2>a baseline and the next day you get to it,

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:20.359
<v Speaker 2>it's just like and I lost it forever. But for

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.560
<v Speaker 2>you you just voice memo it or you.

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 3>Or write it down or write down the keywords or

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:27.680
<v Speaker 3>idea if I can't get the whole entire thing out.

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 3>But that's pretty much how I've written that whole whole book.

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:32.439
<v Speaker 3>And I would say that my pive two poetry books,

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:35.080
<v Speaker 3>and I would say that those came through the exact

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:37.840
<v Speaker 3>same way, like like it wasn't something I had to

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:40.560
<v Speaker 3>really like think about or deduce or like, you know,

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:43.480
<v Speaker 3>intellectualize my way through at all. It was just kind

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 3>of like it just hit you. And then there was.

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Do you have a musical talent?

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:50.240
<v Speaker 3>I don't think so.

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Man, if I can channel this present mind state of

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 2>you right now into a music channel, your songwriting would

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.000
<v Speaker 2>just save all of us.

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:03.960
<v Speaker 3>Funny you bring that up. It's not off the table.

0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 3>It's not off the table off one day.

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, even if it's if it is. When you said

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>poetry stands it, I was like, Jesus Christ, Yo, you

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 2>could be a song.

0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 3>It's one of the dreams out there that I have

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 3>for my life, maybe in the future. So let's check

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 3>back in a little bit.

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I will.

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:24.720
<v Speaker 3>I would also like to I would love to sing,

0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 3>and I grew up singing and I don't think I'm

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 3>super great at it. But do you know what inspires me?

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Though?

0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:34.560
<v Speaker 3>So many people that I hear that sign on for

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:38.400
<v Speaker 3>movies and they learn either an instrument or to sing

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 3>for the role. And I'm like, well, okay, if you

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 3>could learn.

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:43.280
<v Speaker 1>That methodactic, there you go.

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 3>Maybe I can learn too.

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:47.720
<v Speaker 1>What is your earliest memory in life?

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh? What a beautiful question.

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>I have a few Okay.

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 3>I remember being in the grassy green area of my

0:29:57.400 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 3>apartment complex when I was like one or two and

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 3>my dad teaching me to walk, and I remember feeling

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 3>frustrated that I couldn't. Yeah that, I yes, which tracks

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 3>if you know me now, like that right, Okay, I

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 3>remember that. And actually I had my phone to show

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 3>you the picture. I just found this photo of myself

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:23.120
<v Speaker 3>when I was maybe three or four years old, really

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 3>super young, and I think it was a school photo

0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 3>and I have, I mean the fit, I have, like

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 3>a like cheetah shirt on, like a cheetah matching cheetah bow.

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 3>I was wow. And in the picture, I'm holding this

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 3>blue puzzle piece in a really kind of awkward way.

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 3>They kind of pose you like this. It's like a

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 3>school picture. And I remember having a coherent thought at

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:48.480
<v Speaker 3>that age of really not liking that blue puzzle piece.

0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 3>I felt like it was so forced and I felt

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 3>like they were really ruining the moment and the picture,

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 3>and I'd like I'd gotten already for this picture, and

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 3>I was like, this just so, isn't it? And I

0:30:57.120 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 3>do I mean, I like did it because you know,

0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:00.880
<v Speaker 3>I like, I didn't put it down, but I look

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 3>back at that picture room like, I remember not liking

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 3>this then, and you know what, I was right? It

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 3>was too forced and the.

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 1>Blue clashed To this day, you don't like that.

0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 3>You this day, I look back and think, you know what,

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 3>I really I should have said something at three because

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 3>I knew. And then the last it's a lot of memories, okay,

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 3>last one, I remember falling asleep reading and I did

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 3>have a TV in my room, but I had a lot,

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 3>a lot of books.

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Where were your go to books as a child. Oh

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 2>my gosh, you're not one of these potterheads, are you?

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 3>Okay, no, I think I did have the books though.

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Now just went through a phase where like girls who

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 2>were you know, they would be genuinely shocked.

0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 3>Like you never let hally pot people probably have that

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 3>reaction too. Have you seen the movies though?

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 2>For a person that immerses himself in a culture of

0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 2>cinnamon and all those things, if it's Art House films

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 2>or Criterion collection or any of those things, like like

0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:00.480
<v Speaker 2>the back of my hand, because I lived I lived

0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 2>in a roots tour bus for eighteen years, and so

0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 2>watching movies was surefireway to pass the time between thirteen

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 2>hour trips between cities, but much of their horror when

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 2>it came to like the classics.

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 1>What do you mean you never seen Godfather? What do

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 1>you mean You've never seen Star Wars? What do you mean?

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:22.640
<v Speaker 2>So I had to during the pandemic is when in

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 2>quarantine is when I literally caught up with everything that

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:27.400
<v Speaker 2>have been shamed about.

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, wait, I'm the same way.

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 1>All right, So what your so many for?

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 2>What is your top four or five movies that you've

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 2>been shamed about having.

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Never seen it?

0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:44.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh? You got it? You got it? Is out. We

0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 3>were watching Holes in the hotel two nights ago.

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Holes.

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, holes.

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I need to be shamed. What's holes?

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 3>It's facing the Lewis Sachar book. I gotta watch its

0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 3>in it Sigourney Weaver.

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I've not heard of this, and I make movies.

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh shy, I love opposite it and it's and he's

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 3>really young.

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 1>And I've heard this now, Okay, okay.

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:08.360
<v Speaker 3>I like to watch repeats too of things that I

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 3>loved when I was young. So that was a favorite

0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 3>when I was youngest. We're literally, I mean I haven't

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:15.160
<v Speaker 3>I have missed every good movie in the last five years.

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 3>But don't worry. I own holes and have watched it

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 3>and like know the lines.

0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 1>So this is your favorite film?

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 3>I to god, you know what? We can't say that

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 3>it's up there. I'm really letting people know me.

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Now, all right, what hell are you going to die on? What?

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:31.959
<v Speaker 1>What is your favorite movie?

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, I know it's corny.

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:38.640
<v Speaker 2>It probably I've seen the answer and then now I've

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 2>seen your brain racing for or something.

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 3>So okay, but oh wait, I'm going to stand by

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:47.360
<v Speaker 3>it though. I really love Labor Day? Do you know

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:51.959
<v Speaker 3>a Labor Day with Kate Winslet No labor and Josh Brolin?

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:53.520
<v Speaker 3>Is that there isn't it?

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 1>I gotta watch it.

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 3>That movie, I feel like it came out maybe twenty fourteen,

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 3>and I thought to myself, what a beautiful depiction of

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 3>like pragmatic, practical love, And I just thought that it

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:11.560
<v Speaker 3>had a way deeper message than what was on the surface.

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:18.040
<v Speaker 3>And I love that movie a lot. And before Sunsets,

0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:21.120
<v Speaker 3>Before Yeah, Romance, Yeah, really beautiful.

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:25.799
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever seen Defending Your Life over Brooks? All right, So,

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 2>especially in light of the movie, I just did one

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:33.160
<v Speaker 2>of the things I had to sort of release myself

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:39.360
<v Speaker 2>from were just the kind of fire and brimstone religious

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 2>dogma that I've been just force fed throughout my life. Well,

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm in one of the Pixar film Soul, of which

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:54.279
<v Speaker 2>Soul was the first time where I was like, this

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 2>is actually what I think.

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:58.479
<v Speaker 1>Happens to your body when you die, like that.

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Whole journey and and defending your life is by Albert Brooks,

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 2>and he essentially has to in a flash he's dead,

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 2>similar to the story of Soul, Like he wakes up

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 2>one day and he's in essentially what you call purgatory,

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:21.040
<v Speaker 2>and he has to go to kind of a court

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:24.760
<v Speaker 2>with a jury and lawyers and a judge and whatnot

0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 2>and defend his life. And essentially what he's being accused

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:35.640
<v Speaker 2>of is not living life to the fullest, not defending himself,

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 2>not loving himself, and they're going in on him like

0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:42.400
<v Speaker 2>the time where he got beat up in first grade,

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, and didn't defend himself and all these and

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 2>it's a lesson where essentially kind of Christmas story Jacob

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Marley Scrooge Way, like he wakes up like renewed, like

0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:59.719
<v Speaker 2>season a day and that sort of thing someone recommended

0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 2>to me, and what defense defend you life.

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, defending your life. And I never knew that that,

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:08.480
<v Speaker 1>never knew it existed.

0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:13.560
<v Speaker 2>And to me, it's like one of the most powerful messages.

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:15.359
<v Speaker 3>That it sounds right up my alley.

0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 5>You would love this film.

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 3>Can I ask you a question? This is your show?

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, take over, we're friends.

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.839
<v Speaker 3>There's two questions I always ask people that I get

0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 3>to meet or no, and I've never asked you. Number one.

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:44.880
<v Speaker 3>Is there anyone you have ever been truly starstruck by.

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 2>The way that Q Tip kind of ambushed me with

0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 2>the news that in sixty seconds I'm about to meet

0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Prince for the first time. There's really no there's no

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:03.280
<v Speaker 2>described being what the feeling is because there's a lot.

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Of things you have to deal with.

0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:08.400
<v Speaker 2>And first of all, I mean, the one is meeting Prince,

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 2>but then and that those first thirty seconds you're sizing

0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 2>him up, You're trying to figure out like in your

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 2>brain you're like trying to figure out, yeah, he's about

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:24.920
<v Speaker 2>five to two, but also the circumference of his actual

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 2>headsize to his body, Like I just remember wanting to

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:35.239
<v Speaker 2>get to figure out what his head well, it was

0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 2>just I mean, it's like, holy shit, it's Prince, and

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:39.959
<v Speaker 2>then you think of it every moment he's ever changed

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:43.239
<v Speaker 2>your life musically, and then how tall you are to him,

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 2>and then how large his head is, and then similar

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:52.399
<v Speaker 2>to you.

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Ali Wong.

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:57.959
<v Speaker 2>The only thing he's, the only thing I could get

0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:00.680
<v Speaker 2>out was and he that perfectly.

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:02.279
<v Speaker 1>He led with Yo.

0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:02.600
<v Speaker 6>Man.

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:05.840
<v Speaker 1>That video was so funny. I love that song in

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:06.360
<v Speaker 1>that video.

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:08.319
<v Speaker 2>So now I got to deal with the fact that

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:10.319
<v Speaker 2>he knows what I do for a living, and you know,

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:14.000
<v Speaker 2>like wait, hot, you watch TV, and so all that

0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:17.360
<v Speaker 2>was coming to play, and then all I could muster

0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:23.320
<v Speaker 2>up was I said, I think the the last chord

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 2>on Dinner with Dolores is one of the best postmodern

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:29.560
<v Speaker 2>endings of a rock song in the past forty years.

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 6>And he was just like, wow, well damn well he

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 6>had a He had also I'm having this conversation in

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:40.240
<v Speaker 6>front of Lenny Kravitz, Oh God, Quincy Jones.

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:45.239
<v Speaker 2>Mariah Carey, and Quincy's dart was with him, Kadata Rashida's

0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 2>older sister, so they were hearing this too. So it

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:50.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of just went over like like you can hear

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:54.279
<v Speaker 2>a pin drop and it was like, I gotta.

0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:56.160
<v Speaker 3>Go buy It's so funny, and I.

0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Went upstairs like you ruined it.

0:38:58.719 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 5>You ruined it.

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:03.000
<v Speaker 2>And then hour later I came back to try and

0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:06.280
<v Speaker 2>redeem myself and said something even more ubard.

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:08.880
<v Speaker 3>About it was that was me and Allie Like I

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 3>was like, what did you just do? And I was like,

0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:10.640
<v Speaker 3>it's okay.

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:14.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm scared many of people, So what was your second question?

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:17.560
<v Speaker 3>This is just like a broad overall, like your whole life,

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:19.520
<v Speaker 3>how has fame been for you?

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Here comes an eye roll of everyone listening. I don't

0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:27.600
<v Speaker 2>feel famous.

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:28.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I understand that.

0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:33.440
<v Speaker 2>And oftentimes I am aware that I will self evidence

0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 2>that you know, why I don't deserve it, why I'm

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:39.879
<v Speaker 2>not in this club, which is also silly, like there's

0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:43.800
<v Speaker 2>a part of me that knows that what I've achieved

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 2>and all those things. But oftentimes I just find myself

0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 2>in situations where it's right down the middle.

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:51.719
<v Speaker 1>It's either dude, you.

0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely changed my life, or it's someone that's like and

0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:03.640
<v Speaker 2>you are and I'm like Amir Thompson quest love.

0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:08.400
<v Speaker 1>And then there's always a person like behind me looks like, dude,

0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:09.400
<v Speaker 1>you don't know this is.

0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:13.120
<v Speaker 2>And if they try and I always try to stop

0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:16.799
<v Speaker 2>them because then if they try to shame or humiliate

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:20.920
<v Speaker 2>the person, especially you're in New York. Then they're just

0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:24.719
<v Speaker 2>they're really going to play it out, like now he's

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.600
<v Speaker 2>really not getting I'm wait, you're shaming me because I

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:27.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know.

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Who this guy is or whatever.

0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:35.279
<v Speaker 2>So I think oftentimes I'm reactionary. Maybe that's why I

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 2>throw my own parties or movie night or game night

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 2>or those things.

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:42.719
<v Speaker 3>So I ask, you know a lot of people those

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:45.680
<v Speaker 3>two questions, and the first one they almost always have

0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:48.400
<v Speaker 3>a really funny story to tell, and the second I

0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 3>think you'd be surprised or maybe not that the answer

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 3>is pretty consistent with what you just said.

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 2>I often get frustrated when I ask people. Last time

0:40:57.719 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 2>I was here, I talked to Jamie Lee Curtis and

0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 2>she still like forty minutes in. I was like, oh,

0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:06.799
<v Speaker 2>you really don't know you're Jamilee Curtis.

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:09.240
<v Speaker 3>Like, so, I actually think she doesn't.

0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:11.319
<v Speaker 1>She doesn't.

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:14.680
<v Speaker 2>But then, you know, the thing that I wrestle with

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 2>is that there's a quote that Nelson Mandela says, actually

0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:23.840
<v Speaker 2>she mentions this on her episode. It's it's Nelson Mandela

0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:26.239
<v Speaker 2>quoting someone else. But it just leads to like, who

0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:28.239
<v Speaker 2>are we to like demur lights.

0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:30.120
<v Speaker 3>Or like I know exactly what you're talking right now

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 3>that and.

0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:35.800
<v Speaker 1>So I'm more hyper aware of am I serving a purpose?

0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:37.120
<v Speaker 1>You know?

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Because number one, this is rare air for people in

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:45.759
<v Speaker 2>the hip hop community, because once you get twenty, your

0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 2>first your primary shot when you're twenty is you want

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:54.799
<v Speaker 2>to avoid getting shot dying. And trust me, when you're

0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:57.520
<v Speaker 2>between twenty and thirty, especially when I turned thirty, it

0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:00.239
<v Speaker 2>was like I made it. You know, everyone else else

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 2>was twenty four, twenty seven dying. And it's not exclusive

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 2>to hip hop either, like you know, it's just kind

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 2>of expected.

0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:10.719
<v Speaker 1>And then it's like, oh, I made it.

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 2>And then I realized that the second test was even

0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 2>harder than not getting shot, which is health. You know,

0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:22.239
<v Speaker 2>should I be Should we be eating this burger at

0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:23.400
<v Speaker 2>three in the morning?

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Guys? Should we?

0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:29.839
<v Speaker 2>You know, like we're now aware of that part. And

0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:32.879
<v Speaker 2>now the last go round is just the mental health

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:35.720
<v Speaker 2>of it all. Oh yeah, I've had in the last

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 2>year alone, and you know, I wonder is there a

0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 2>pandemic happening that I'm not aware of.

0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:43.319
<v Speaker 1>I'll say for me, in.

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:52.640
<v Speaker 4>The last eight months, I've lost eleven friends to stage

0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:53.360
<v Speaker 4>four cancer.

0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:54.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh, my God.

0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Like even the day that I found out DiAngelo had cancer,

0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:02.799
<v Speaker 2>D'Angelo was the six person in a twenty four hour

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:04.160
<v Speaker 2>period that broke the news to me.

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:06.520
<v Speaker 1>And even then it was.

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:09.640
<v Speaker 2>Like in humor because five other people have broke the

0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:12.360
<v Speaker 2>news to me, like earlier that day, and speaking to

0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:16.759
<v Speaker 2>him late at night and it was like, what do we.

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:17.919
<v Speaker 1>What'd you gotta say?

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:21.040
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, gosh, just just don't say stage

0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:24.000
<v Speaker 2>four cancer or whatever, and he was like, wait, who

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:24.480
<v Speaker 2>told you?

0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:25.520
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like what?

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:32.320
<v Speaker 2>And literally, but I also feel as though our everyday existence,

0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:36.480
<v Speaker 2>which is why I'm so vigilant and I'm not not

0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:40.360
<v Speaker 2>a routine or a process, but just being in the

0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 2>mind stake, especially now where we could do doom scroll

0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 2>and some days I do wake up and I do

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:46.879
<v Speaker 2>doom scroll, I do oh.

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 1>God, we're going to die? Are we going to live?

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:51.680
<v Speaker 2>People looking for me for the answers. Am I doing

0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:54.960
<v Speaker 2>enough with my platform? Should I be doing more? Should

0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:57.040
<v Speaker 2>I be doing more? Like all the anxiety builds up,

0:43:57.080 --> 0:43:59.759
<v Speaker 2>but I also know that that is the open door

0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:04.160
<v Speaker 2>to you, letting in diseases and all these things.

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:06.279
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that's really well said.

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:09.759
<v Speaker 1>Every decade there's a new challenge to overcome.

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:12.239
<v Speaker 3>So I mean, right now, so you feel like you're

0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 3>at the one. It's just like health and longevity.

0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Usually by this point people they'll choose religion, like of

0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 2>my age, I'm supposed to now, like I'm gonna go

0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:23.799
<v Speaker 2>back to the church and become a preacher, or like

0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:29.719
<v Speaker 2>people choose religion, and you know, I mean, I feel

0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:33.920
<v Speaker 2>as though every practice has been tainted, religion, spiritual, like

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 2>all the areas have done. So right now I'm leaning

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 2>more towards the metaphysical side of things, which basically the

0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 2>only difference I feel between the two is what religion

0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:48.560
<v Speaker 2>you are talking to God like he's Santa Claus and

0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:52.239
<v Speaker 2>I need this and I need that, And metaphysics is

0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:57.040
<v Speaker 2>just you sitting silent and listening for God the opposite.

0:44:57.120 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 3>Have you ever heard the phrase that I believe it's

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:02.200
<v Speaker 3>and it's not to think about God while you wash

0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:04.400
<v Speaker 3>the dishes. It's just to wash the dishes.

0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 1>See.

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Living in the present to me, is I believe that

0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:14.080
<v Speaker 2>that is the Okay? I speak of the twenty twenty

0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:17.839
<v Speaker 2>pandemic period as a point in time, at the time

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 2>when I was living in it, you would have I

0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 2>would have thought it was the apocalypse?

0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:23.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah sure, right, yeah, Oh my.

0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:25.480
<v Speaker 1>God, who died this week? Who died this week?

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:25.920
<v Speaker 5>You know?

0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 1>Am I going to live? You know?

0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:32.120
<v Speaker 2>And then but the more growth I did, I started

0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:35.760
<v Speaker 2>feeling guilty because I'm like, damn, it was twenty twenty,

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 2>like the good old days, Like why am I now

0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:42.480
<v Speaker 2>having fond memories of all the growth I did in

0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:43.640
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty and whatnot?

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:46.279
<v Speaker 3>Also, as an aside, can you believe it was six

0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:46.879
<v Speaker 3>years ago?

0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I can it it's now turning the fond memories for

0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 2>some reason, even though it was the darkest time, Like

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:55.439
<v Speaker 2>I did.

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:57.880
<v Speaker 1>The most growth and the most change and all that stuff.

0:45:58.480 --> 0:45:59.840
<v Speaker 1>So now when.

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Kind of after the election cycle of twenty twenty four,

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:08.520
<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, so I've been telling people that

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:11.520
<v Speaker 2>the pandemics where you did the most growth. And then

0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 2>I'll admit the second we all went outside and things

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:19.839
<v Speaker 2>were normal, and suddenly I started slacking off a little bit,

0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:22.600
<v Speaker 2>and like just a little bit, by a little bit,

0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:25.120
<v Speaker 2>without even knowing it, I found myself in the territory

0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:28.440
<v Speaker 2>of like, oh, now that I'm safe, like I'm back

0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:32.160
<v Speaker 2>to square one again. And I saw where we are

0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:36.759
<v Speaker 2>right now as a way to almost like around two,

0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 2>around two of growth and the lesson I'm learning this time.

0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 2>I figured the only way to survive where we are

0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:47.480
<v Speaker 2>right now is literally just one day at a time.

0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:51.160
<v Speaker 2>And this is coming from a person who's a meticulous planner. Okay,

0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:54.120
<v Speaker 2>and all, guess I'll do this and then April of

0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:58.440
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty eight, I'll do this, And really it's literally

0:46:58.480 --> 0:46:59.440
<v Speaker 2>me just waking up.

0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:03.040
<v Speaker 3>And this is why you're asking about the present moment.

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:05.480
<v Speaker 3>And you said at the beginning, you know, I was

0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 3>talking about a thing about purpose, which is instead of

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:12.799
<v Speaker 3>you know, planning it forward, just being in it now. Yes,

0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:15.480
<v Speaker 3>on a very literal, practical day to day. I think

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:18.399
<v Speaker 3>if we don't just take it one day at a time,

0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:21.719
<v Speaker 3>like to me, that's where your mental health really can

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:24.799
<v Speaker 3>slip the hardest. And but I think that's something to

0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:27.880
<v Speaker 3>carry with us always though, of just one thing and

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:30.120
<v Speaker 3>one day at a time and to find that like

0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:34.160
<v Speaker 3>stable center as best you can. But the purpose piece

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:37.960
<v Speaker 3>that you're asking about initially, so I think it can

0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:40.400
<v Speaker 3>be more comforting to try to, you know, plan the

0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:43.000
<v Speaker 3>next five years, ten years, fifteen years. And I'm a

0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 3>planner too, like I like that. I feel you know,

0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:49.319
<v Speaker 3>I feel the most in control when it's like, well,

0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:52.480
<v Speaker 3>I know, you know, I've accounted for all the variables.

0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:54.600
<v Speaker 3>I know exactly what we're building or creating. I know

0:47:54.600 --> 0:47:56.359
<v Speaker 3>exactly or I want to be in two point five years.

0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:58.920
<v Speaker 3>And that's you know, the end of the story. But

0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:02.200
<v Speaker 3>there are things you don't know. You don't know. There

0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 3>are things I've been saying this for a million years

0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:06.759
<v Speaker 3>that are so good you wouldn't even know to ask

0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:10.719
<v Speaker 3>for them. And all any of us can really work

0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:13.279
<v Speaker 3>with is what is right here in this moment. And

0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:16.160
<v Speaker 3>I think that when we can do, you know, everything

0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:19.120
<v Speaker 3>we can with everything we have, I feel like it

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:22.239
<v Speaker 3>opens doors to places we wouldn't even know that we

0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:25.680
<v Speaker 3>wanted to go. And the now is something I've written

0:48:25.719 --> 0:48:30.600
<v Speaker 3>about for like ten years and been interested in if

0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:34.839
<v Speaker 3>for that long, in that I wonder if you know,

0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:38.080
<v Speaker 3>all of these thoughts that we have, whether it's about

0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:40.520
<v Speaker 3>our past or our future, it's like, but all of

0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:44.719
<v Speaker 3>that's kind of happening, you know, in the now, And

0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:47.759
<v Speaker 3>our relationship to the now is kind of really our

0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:50.600
<v Speaker 3>relationship to our whole life. It only ever is now,

0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:53.200
<v Speaker 3>Like we always think, like, oh, when I get to

0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:55.840
<v Speaker 3>this thing, then I'll feel settled and more successful when

0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:57.520
<v Speaker 3>I have this, when I do this, and it's like,

0:48:57.560 --> 0:49:01.520
<v Speaker 3>but when you get there, even there is still the now.

0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 3>It's just it's just ben't evolved, adapted different now, but

0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:08.920
<v Speaker 3>it's still that same relationship. And I think that it

0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:13.279
<v Speaker 3>requires a lot of inner work and grounding to just

0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:16.680
<v Speaker 3>surrender to the now and be in the now and

0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:18.480
<v Speaker 3>work with the now. And it's something that I have

0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:22.000
<v Speaker 3>to work on every day. Yeah, so it sounds like

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:23.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm making it sound like, oh, yeah, I know, just.

0:49:23.880 --> 0:49:26.520
<v Speaker 7>Do that, but it's not, though, Well it's so easy

0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:30.160
<v Speaker 7>just saying and I think we mentioned this earlier, like

0:49:30.560 --> 0:49:33.279
<v Speaker 7>you know, I was raised by my dad was definitely

0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:39.440
<v Speaker 7>you know, like the performative work hard, grind your knuckles bleed, you.

0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Know, do all you can to achieve and get to

0:49:42.280 --> 0:49:45.440
<v Speaker 2>the top. Only for me to find out that no,

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:50.960
<v Speaker 2>actually the opposite is true. Do nothing, you know literally

0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:56.120
<v Speaker 2>it's do nothing and show up, which it's like, where's

0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:59.319
<v Speaker 2>the glory I met? And so especially now like I'm

0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:02.640
<v Speaker 2>excelling and things that I didn't plan on it, Like

0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:07.279
<v Speaker 2>I didn't posters on my wall of a camera or

0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:09.359
<v Speaker 2>any of these things. I'm doing now, so it just

0:50:09.520 --> 0:50:12.719
<v Speaker 2>all feels so sometimes I do get mad at the

0:50:12.800 --> 0:50:16.399
<v Speaker 2>universe and I'm just like, dude, Like if you put

0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:20.239
<v Speaker 2>me in an environment as a two year old with

0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:26.120
<v Speaker 2>five thousand records and I studied these things meticulously and

0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:28.399
<v Speaker 2>me and my best friend started a band in high

0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:32.600
<v Speaker 2>school like dog, why can't I have the results of

0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:36.480
<v Speaker 2>what I wanted my music career to be? Like of

0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:40.680
<v Speaker 2>everything I do, my music career is sort of like

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:42.279
<v Speaker 2>it's not a ticket or leave it thing.

0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm glad I'm in a space now where.

0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:48.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm not like depending on this album must be like

0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:54.000
<v Speaker 2>the anxiety I was living under ask quest love, member

0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:58.160
<v Speaker 2>of the roots year after year. This album must be

0:50:58.239 --> 0:51:01.400
<v Speaker 2>critically acclaimed. This album must data to sustain us to

0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:04.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, and now to be in a place where

0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:08.439
<v Speaker 2>I haven't released an album in eleven years and I'm

0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:11.080
<v Speaker 2>still here and thriving even more so.

0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:14.480
<v Speaker 1>To me, it's also like my ego is a little

0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:16.880
<v Speaker 1>bruise that wow, seem.

0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:21.400
<v Speaker 2>To have all the magic for all these other areas

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:24.799
<v Speaker 2>in my life, but the one space where I really

0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:26.520
<v Speaker 2>want it, but I know there's a reason for it.

0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:31.160
<v Speaker 2>But also I'm demanding this new album is what I

0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:32.360
<v Speaker 2>think it is in my head.

0:51:32.640 --> 0:51:36.279
<v Speaker 3>Yes, you said something before, I'm missing the language. Now

0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:38.000
<v Speaker 3>you said to let go and just show up.

0:51:38.000 --> 0:51:41.920
<v Speaker 1>What did you say, literally just to go for meticulous planning.

0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know often I'll say in the last

0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:54.439
<v Speaker 2>five years, my father's voice is the voice in my head,

0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:57.920
<v Speaker 2>the way the way that Morpheus guides in the matrix,

0:51:58.000 --> 0:51:59.640
<v Speaker 2>like you know, make.

0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:02.760
<v Speaker 1>A left in the duck down, Like that's my dad's voice.

0:52:02.800 --> 0:52:07.759
<v Speaker 2>And his thing is basically shut up and just show up,

0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:11.680
<v Speaker 2>like don't you don't have to plan anything. And it's

0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:15.319
<v Speaker 2>so hard for me to not do research or on

0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:18.880
<v Speaker 2>research and meta research and research on that and research

0:52:18.920 --> 0:52:21.759
<v Speaker 2>and the footnotes and the footnotes of research and all you.

0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Know again my brain.

0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:25.600
<v Speaker 3>What I wanted to add to that was more has

0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:30.399
<v Speaker 3>happened for me positively in my life just by showing up,

0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:35.160
<v Speaker 3>just showing up and not And for me, it's this

0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:38.560
<v Speaker 3>mental game of like am I good enough to be here?

0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:42.120
<v Speaker 3>Do I just just show up? And how much that

0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:45.640
<v Speaker 3>has changed and also how much people value that and

0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:49.200
<v Speaker 3>just knowing that that's that's more than enough. And I

0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:51.520
<v Speaker 3>was just intrigued by you saying that, you know, instead

0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:54.680
<v Speaker 3>of that, like that constant forward motion, that constant like

0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:58.920
<v Speaker 3>effort and strive to let go and to just be

0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:01.000
<v Speaker 3>and show up and then you know this flourishing that

0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:03.000
<v Speaker 3>you've seen in your life that makes sense to me.

0:53:03.120 --> 0:53:04.200
<v Speaker 3>It also inspires me.

0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:07.440
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm getting a coached right now for

0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:18.080
<v Speaker 2>trillions of people. I have so many other questions.

0:53:22.560 --> 0:53:24.160
<v Speaker 3>She's ever gonna ask on my favorite cereal?

0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:26.480
<v Speaker 2>I was going to get to the front now now

0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:30.399
<v Speaker 2>now we did this, We're like one second away from

0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:31.919
<v Speaker 2>doing this to now.

0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:34.080
<v Speaker 1>So what was the first record you ever got?

0:53:34.480 --> 0:53:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I ask what TV show best describes what

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:39.000
<v Speaker 2>your childhood was like?

0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:41.000
<v Speaker 3>What an amazing question?

0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:42.600
<v Speaker 1>I told you.

0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:45.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna ask you stuff that no one ever bothers

0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:45.920
<v Speaker 2>as ever.

0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:47.279
<v Speaker 3>I don't think anyone's ever come up with that for

0:53:47.600 --> 0:53:51.480
<v Speaker 3>what TV show is most like my childhood? Can it

0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:52.160
<v Speaker 3>be a cartoon?

0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:54.280
<v Speaker 3>As told by Ginger.

0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:56.080
<v Speaker 1>As told by Ginger, What is that?

0:53:57.120 --> 0:53:59.120
<v Speaker 3>I love that? This is the third time I.

0:53:59.040 --> 0:54:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Love you know. I feel like such a fraud right now.

0:54:01.320 --> 0:54:03.759
<v Speaker 3>You know what, you know, you're all on my Kate,

0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:06.480
<v Speaker 3>You're on my case about not knowing things.

0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:09.720
<v Speaker 1>She's getting her revenge, right now.

0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:15.400
<v Speaker 3>As told by Ginger, it's it was like the curly hair.

0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:18.919
<v Speaker 2>And I will research this. Wow, you got me three

0:54:18.960 --> 0:54:22.160
<v Speaker 2>times already. This is like I feel like by the

0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:22.720
<v Speaker 2>time we're.

0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:25.520
<v Speaker 3>Done, I know, I feel actually good about this. Right now,

0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:28.520
<v Speaker 3>she she's going through her life. She's like a young

0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:31.640
<v Speaker 3>girl and she really processes through her journal.

0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:33.759
<v Speaker 1>And what year was this out?

0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:37.000
<v Speaker 3>This must have been two thousands. I don't know when

0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:40.759
<v Speaker 3>it went on, Macy Gray saying the theme song.

0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm familiar with the theme. I just never watched

0:54:43.640 --> 0:54:43.960
<v Speaker 2>the thing.

0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:46.480
<v Speaker 1>And also like I was, you're busy.

0:54:46.680 --> 0:54:49.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, no, no, I don't want to play it. Like you know,

0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:51.200
<v Speaker 2>when I became an adult, I put away child.

0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:52.600
<v Speaker 3>I understand.

0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:56.560
<v Speaker 2>I watch animniacs every day like it's nothing. So it

0:54:56.640 --> 0:55:00.640
<v Speaker 2>was actively still watching cartoons back then. What posters adorning

0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:02.839
<v Speaker 2>your bedroom walls in your childhood home.

0:55:02.920 --> 0:55:06.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I have a vivid memory of this Britney Spears. Oops,

0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:09.480
<v Speaker 3>I did it again. Okay, the poster from that CD,

0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:12.840
<v Speaker 3>and I had the CD and she's got like a

0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:15.400
<v Speaker 3>it's like like like tassels hanging from a doorway or

0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:16.239
<v Speaker 3>what would you call those?

0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:19.120
<v Speaker 1>It's the white and gold and she's like she's.

0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Almost like holding them open and they're standing in between.

0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Ith.

0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:24.600
<v Speaker 3>It was Brittany, What else did I have? But you know,

0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:25.160
<v Speaker 3>that was like.

0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:29.200
<v Speaker 6>A your post Disney was I well.

0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean she's well, I guess so she nags

0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:32.279
<v Speaker 1>Disney by then.

0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:34.360
<v Speaker 3>I think that was the most memorable one. But I

0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:37.799
<v Speaker 3>had a bunch of like random stuff in rotation that

0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:38.840
<v Speaker 3>was notable.

0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:41.680
<v Speaker 1>What is a talent that you possessed that we don't

0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:42.040
<v Speaker 1>know about?

0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:45.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I feel like I have to have one.

0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:51.880
<v Speaker 1>That I possessed sour dough, bread making or archery, or.

0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:54.560
<v Speaker 3>I do love to bake. I've made wedding cakes before

0:55:55.080 --> 0:55:55.600
<v Speaker 3>for people.

0:55:55.760 --> 0:55:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Wait, why would you subject yourself to that torture?

0:55:59.000 --> 0:56:02.239
<v Speaker 2>Really, you just woke up one day it's like, I'm

0:56:02.239 --> 0:56:03.600
<v Speaker 2>gonna make a wedding cake for someone.

0:56:04.440 --> 0:56:07.560
<v Speaker 3>So they asked, and I baked a lot, and well,

0:56:07.600 --> 0:56:08.359
<v Speaker 3>it's because you.

0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Made a cake for a wedding or a wedding cake.

0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:13.520
<v Speaker 3>We cake for a wedding, So a wedding, you know, interchangeable.

0:56:13.520 --> 0:56:17.840
<v Speaker 3>But wedding cakes are really expensive and the ingredients really aren't.

0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:21.839
<v Speaker 1>So it's just the physics of knowing, yeah, just.

0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:23.640
<v Speaker 3>Knowing how to stack them and then also kind of

0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:24.799
<v Speaker 3>what like style you want?

0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:26.799
<v Speaker 1>How'd you learn how to make a wedding cake?

0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:29.640
<v Speaker 3>I just I just, I mean, I just knew how

0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:31.279
<v Speaker 3>to bake, and I just kind of intuited of those like,

0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:33.560
<v Speaker 3>well might just stack this and do that. Wait, that

0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:35.439
<v Speaker 3>can't be the one. We ought to have another one.

0:56:35.760 --> 0:56:39.280
<v Speaker 1>No, that's liver.

0:56:43.080 --> 0:56:45.359
<v Speaker 3>You can call me actually for baking needs.

0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:46.359
<v Speaker 7>Yo.

0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:49.760
<v Speaker 2>I now I got to get to the altar and I'm.

0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Going to make you make you make my wedding.

0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:53.640
<v Speaker 3>Cake just for the sake of it.

0:56:53.680 --> 0:56:56.920
<v Speaker 1>At this point, you got to I just know, I see, like.

0:56:56.920 --> 0:56:58.240
<v Speaker 3>At least a cupcake or something.

0:56:58.400 --> 0:56:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, no, you're not getting out of this.

0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:00.680
<v Speaker 2>You're wed.

0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:04.239
<v Speaker 1>I'll do the full thing with the figures on top

0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:04.360
<v Speaker 1>of it.

0:57:04.480 --> 0:57:05.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:57:05.080 --> 0:57:07.560
<v Speaker 1>And was it execute it perfectly?

0:57:08.640 --> 0:57:11.839
<v Speaker 3>I mean it was pretty solid. Obviously, it was like

0:57:12.239 --> 0:57:14.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, you're I was so stressed. I was like

0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:15.480
<v Speaker 3>hoping it was perfect. You know, it's like a big

0:57:15.480 --> 0:57:18.640
<v Speaker 3>moment for people, But it was at the time it

0:57:18.680 --> 0:57:21.160
<v Speaker 3>was kind of this like you would like take this

0:57:21.800 --> 0:57:24.600
<v Speaker 3>decorating I don't even know what you call it panel

0:57:24.720 --> 0:57:26.280
<v Speaker 3>and just kind of like move across that. It was

0:57:26.280 --> 0:57:28.800
<v Speaker 3>almost kind of like like a light frosting, so it

0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:30.640
<v Speaker 3>almost gonna look like rustic and there was like a

0:57:30.640 --> 0:57:34.040
<v Speaker 3>flower on top. So I don't know what kind of

0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:36.480
<v Speaker 3>wedding cake style you're going for, but send me some

0:57:36.560 --> 0:57:39.400
<v Speaker 3>insfel pictures and get to work.

0:57:39.840 --> 0:57:42.360
<v Speaker 1>All right, what was the worst grade you've ever gotten?

0:57:42.680 --> 0:57:45.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, this is a good story. I cannot believe in

0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:51.520
<v Speaker 3>telling everyone this, but it's time. I failed chemistry, okay,

0:57:51.640 --> 0:57:54.320
<v Speaker 3>and then I grew up in New York, so we

0:57:54.360 --> 0:57:58.320
<v Speaker 3>have regents. So I failed the chemistry regents and then

0:57:58.520 --> 0:57:59.800
<v Speaker 3>studied because they do them at the end of the

0:57:59.800 --> 0:58:01.560
<v Speaker 3>seer as well, they don't just do them once a year,

0:58:02.040 --> 0:58:04.320
<v Speaker 3>and studied all summer night a tutor.

0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:05.960
<v Speaker 1>You had to go to summer school.

0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:10.480
<v Speaker 3>Basically, and then well it's like a I don't know

0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:12.600
<v Speaker 3>if it was like official summer school, but like, but anyway,

0:58:12.760 --> 0:58:14.720
<v Speaker 3>this is the point is I took it again and

0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:20.360
<v Speaker 3>then failed it worse. And you know that it's bad

0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:24.560
<v Speaker 3>because my mom called for the grade, and you like,

0:58:24.640 --> 0:58:26.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, it is really bad. When she was like

0:58:26.880 --> 0:58:28.920
<v Speaker 3>she wasn't even mad, she just was like took so

0:58:29.000 --> 0:58:30.840
<v Speaker 3>much pity on me. She was like she like heard

0:58:30.880 --> 0:58:34.160
<v Speaker 3>the grade. She was like, Okay, she was like, you

0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:36.120
<v Speaker 3>know what, it's going to be okay. Like she wasn't

0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:38.000
<v Speaker 3>even upset, she was just more going into it, like

0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:41.400
<v Speaker 3>you know what. She's like, We're going to figure this out.

0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:43.760
<v Speaker 3>And I was like what and I'm like crying and

0:58:43.800 --> 0:58:46.640
<v Speaker 3>she's like, you know what, don't even it's okay, it's okay. Like,

0:58:46.880 --> 0:58:49.440
<v Speaker 3>but when when your parent is going into a place

0:58:49.480 --> 0:58:52.600
<v Speaker 3>of like just feeling bad for you at this point,

0:58:52.720 --> 0:58:55.680
<v Speaker 3>like you know, it's it's not good.

0:58:56.880 --> 0:59:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Man, I know, I know mine is sound like wow,

0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:07.960
<v Speaker 2>that's awesome. I love that story.

0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:10.760
<v Speaker 3>She's a teacher, so you know, she's she took pity

0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:11.400
<v Speaker 3>on my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's that's actually the ideal reaction that I would

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<v Speaker 2>take that. Sorry, I believe you, and I envy you

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<v Speaker 2>right now. I did not have those results in my

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<v Speaker 2>version of that. Do you have a cry song?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Many song plays and you instantly cry?

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<v Speaker 3>I know I do so many. Probably Celine Dion, actually

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<v Speaker 3>Celine Dion in person. I want to go see her

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<v Speaker 3>live years.

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<v Speaker 1>Ago her residency and she must have.

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<v Speaker 3>Been touring because I think it was in Philly. I

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<v Speaker 3>cried from the minute she walked on stage till the

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<v Speaker 3>minute she walked off the whole time?

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<v Speaker 1>What was it about her? Heard?

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<v Speaker 3>I feel this way about anyone doing what they were

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<v Speaker 3>so meant to do, and you can just tell got

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<v Speaker 3>it And even if it's not, you know, she's intense.

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<v Speaker 1>When she performs, she gets into it, you're just.

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<v Speaker 3>Like taking it. And the level of energy, magic, magic

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<v Speaker 3>she had was, I mean, it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>She came to the tonight show and just as a

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<v Speaker 2>couch guest, like she's hands down the most intense couch guests,

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<v Speaker 2>like her interviews are not it's like something inside her

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<v Speaker 2>that is yes, I I Celine Dion's probably the confirmation

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<v Speaker 2>I think back then I was wrestling with the thought

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<v Speaker 2>of like pleadians or are there other spirits living inside

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<v Speaker 2>these shells that we call like I don't believe that

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<v Speaker 2>we're all from the same milk. I feel like these

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<v Speaker 2>are expandable bodies that people that want to visit Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>So I believe you're one of those people too. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what's the last concert you ever attended?

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<v Speaker 3>What was the last show we're up? Do you like

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<v Speaker 3>you have to outsource all these answer about my own life?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Japanese Japanese Breakfast that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the first council you ever attended? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>I remember this because I was really old. I was

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<v Speaker 3>like twenty five when I went to my first.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait did we have this conversation before?

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<v Speaker 3>No, we're having it now.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I had written, well, hold on, I had

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<v Speaker 3>written books before i'd been to a concert.

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<v Speaker 1>I think when we were sitting down plane, do you

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<v Speaker 1>know I think I knew this about you? What was

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<v Speaker 1>your first concert?

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<v Speaker 3>It was Lord and Run the Jewels, which wow, right

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<v Speaker 3>to like start out there? What you just never but

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<v Speaker 3>you're from Philly and or from Long Island?

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<v Speaker 2>But wait, do you have an accent? Do you have

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<v Speaker 2>a Long Island accent? Even you say it?

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<v Speaker 3>Man, I was like, wait, no, this confuses people as well.

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<v Speaker 3>No I don't. My dad is from upstate New York,

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<v Speaker 3>and so my siblings and I kind of speak a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit more like him, I would say. And then

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<v Speaker 3>and then I've also, I mean, I think I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of ever had it. But then also I lived in

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<v Speaker 3>what you're thinking of, Philly, and I lived in Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 3>or pretty much you hold all life until like end

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<v Speaker 3>in my late twenties, so then it kind of was

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<v Speaker 3>really gone by that and now I'm California, so it's

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<v Speaker 3>really gone. But that's why I think that. So, but no,

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<v Speaker 3>it was Lord and Reni Jeal's. And another cry time

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<v Speaker 3>is when she the end of that show, she played

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<v Speaker 3>green Light was her closing song, right, and just everyone

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<v Speaker 3>was up on their feet and it was like this

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<v Speaker 3>really transcendent moment and I started crying.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was your thoughts when you went to your

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<v Speaker 1>first concert? Like? Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, first of all, it was almost like I was

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<v Speaker 3>never going to tell anyone that this was the first time,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, Well, it's you deserve to

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<v Speaker 3>laugh at me.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I'm just I'm laughing at you, depriving yourself

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<v Speaker 2>of just that. Philly, Were you ever a club kid?

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<v Speaker 2>Like have you heard music in public before?

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<v Speaker 1>Not your car, not your headphones?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, yes, but like that was my first like

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<v Speaker 3>true like stadium like experience, like full concert experience was

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<v Speaker 3>that time. But yes, I had heard music before that.

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<v Speaker 3>And then maybe shortly after, I went to the Jones

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<v Speaker 3>Beach Amphitheater and I saw the Google Dolls and that

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<v Speaker 3>really is oh god.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we're learning the time now where Iris is

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<v Speaker 2>being played every twelve seconds or social media, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost when I hear the intro guitar thing is such

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<v Speaker 2>a jarring.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>No more what three people, or with three professionals in

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<v Speaker 2>this industry, are you the most shocked at that are

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<v Speaker 2>aware of your work or have your book?

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<v Speaker 3>Rick Rubin is up there?

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<v Speaker 1>Really?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Selena Gomez, Ah, yes, okay, okay, she read one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>mon essays and was talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, how wait are you still shocking?

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<v Speaker 3>I actually want to circle. I'm actually floored to this day. Really, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I would add you to the list.

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<v Speaker 1>No not, oh okay, you and everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>All the jojo everyone floored by everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>What was your life before?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you've been writing since your first book came

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<v Speaker 2>out in twenty a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Like so I started writing when I was like nineteen,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty years old, so it's it's been a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So for you, would you say that Mountain was the

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<v Speaker 2>book that we're all came together or was there one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and one?

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<v Speaker 3>Like for you, I guess technically one on one Essays

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<v Speaker 3>was the one that kind of maybe got had more readers.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean that was kind of the one.

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<v Speaker 3>But then this Mountains You. Yeah, I think that's with

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<v Speaker 3>the click moment. But also it was the click moment

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<v Speaker 3>for me, Like writing that book in particular was like like,

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<v Speaker 3>even if no one had read it, just writing it

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<v Speaker 3>was one of the most unbelievable experiences of my life,

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<v Speaker 3>like truly just internally, you know, going through the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So I like to think at some level, like the

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<v Speaker 3>readers feel that as well, and so I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>part of the click. But you know, the factor here

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<v Speaker 3>is that this was so many years in. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>when of my essays came out actually ten years ago

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<v Speaker 3>this year, but it was six seven, eight years before

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<v Speaker 3>you know, anyone who really even knew about it, and

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<v Speaker 3>I would imagine many people still don't.

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<v Speaker 1>But like the thing was the pandemic effect of.

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<v Speaker 3>People like wanting to sit down and read. Yeah, kind

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<v Speaker 3>of I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, I think that's the year that we all said, ay,

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<v Speaker 1>now's the time to do some yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and that was yes, and that Mountain As You

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<v Speaker 3>came out in twenty twenty, and I remember, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>at that time, feeling like wow, like this is the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest flop and failure of my career, maybe life, like

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<v Speaker 3>thinking this couldn't have been worse time, right, And I

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of I actually kind of just like gave

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<v Speaker 3>up on everything for a period of time where I.

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<v Speaker 7>Was just like, I know, you thought it was just

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<v Speaker 7>the pebble with no ripple effect I did.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just like, there, I don't even care about

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<v Speaker 3>this right now, like this is I guess here it is,

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<v Speaker 3>like I just we well, And then there were logistic

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<v Speaker 3>things that were like you couldn't you couldn't or you

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't write. So there were logistic parts of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we'd been working on this for so long

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<v Speaker 3>and then it was just it was just wiped. But

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<v Speaker 3>then beyond that, even just internally for me, I was

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<v Speaker 3>like I couldn't whatever. So I was in my own

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<v Speaker 3>head I was kind of like, well, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>in the future we could do like a realie I'm

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<v Speaker 3>trying to kind of figure out ways to like doctorate.

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<v Speaker 3>And years later, I cannot tell you how many people

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<v Speaker 3>have said to me like, whether it was then, whether

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<v Speaker 3>it was three years, whatever, it was that book found

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<v Speaker 3>me at just the right time.

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<v Speaker 2>So were you aware that, wait a minute, this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>a flop, This is actually turning out to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably a year or two later, or two year or

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<v Speaker 3>two late.

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<v Speaker 1>Not immediate.

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<v Speaker 2>No, oh dude, I know for a fact, I've read

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<v Speaker 2>that book maybe seven times before I even thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>let me buy it for other people.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I just thought it that's reassuring. But no, it took.

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<v Speaker 3>It took me a while to be like, okay, no,

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<v Speaker 3>this is you know, well, it reformed the way that

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<v Speaker 3>I think about releasing, which is and this is important

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<v Speaker 3>for my process as well, which is so the same

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<v Speaker 3>thing with One on one Essays, which it's like I

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<v Speaker 3>would imagine there are parallels and music here too, which

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<v Speaker 3>is what happens initially. That's kind of how you measure

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<v Speaker 3>the whole thing. It's like, you know, how much of

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<v Speaker 3>a success is it right away? And that's never been

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<v Speaker 3>my story, and that's never been the case with any

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<v Speaker 3>of my books. I mean, One of One Essays took

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<v Speaker 3>maybe seven eight years, I don't know the exact day,

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<v Speaker 3>but like many many years before I kind of hit

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<v Speaker 3>as Malcolm Gladman, we'll call it tipping point, right, And

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<v Speaker 3>so in all that time, it was just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a build. It was just kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>one reader's passing it to the next and I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 3>content with that. But then over time I've come to

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<v Speaker 3>find that, like they kind of find people right when

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<v Speaker 3>they're ready for them or wanting of them, and my

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<v Speaker 3>timing isn't as important as just getting it out in

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<v Speaker 3>the world and then it kind of makes its way.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I would like to know what is your actual

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<v Speaker 2>creative process. I know for comedians, many comedian I know

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<v Speaker 2>has colored post it notes on their walls. Chappelle always

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<v Speaker 2>starts with the punchline.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, and then I ran him over with my car.

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<v Speaker 2>He starts with the punchline and then throughout his day

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<v Speaker 2>he'll figure out how to get from point A to

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<v Speaker 2>point B that will make this hilarious. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for me, I'll have a song idea, but I know

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<v Speaker 2>it might be for this record or it could be

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<v Speaker 2>for this next record. For you, though, like is it

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<v Speaker 2>just one specific subject that you want to write about

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<v Speaker 2>and you get it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Or is it just a whole Are you just.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of in this beautiful mind state now where all

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<v Speaker 2>these ideas come to you and you just figure it

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<v Speaker 2>out later how to piece it together. And when do

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<v Speaker 2>you know a project is done, this is the book.

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<v Speaker 3>It depends. So there's pieces that I will write or

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<v Speaker 3>have written, and where you know, they don't necessarily belong

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<v Speaker 3>to a book, or they're not for anything bigger. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just a few paragraphs or a thought. And whenever that comes,

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<v Speaker 3>I just kind of let it come, you know, if

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of like move by this principle of if

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<v Speaker 3>I have to pull over the car for a second

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<v Speaker 3>and jott it down so I don't lose it, I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I just kind of honor, you know, when it comes in,

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<v Speaker 3>and I can't always control it, but I can always control,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like the muscle that I'm working. So if

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<v Speaker 3>I can wake up and just practice writing review things.

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<v Speaker 3>But that real like strike of like inspiration, when that

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<v Speaker 3>comes through, you know, that comes when it comes, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I just try to honor that. Now, for books

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<v Speaker 3>like one of an Essays and like a few of

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<v Speaker 3>my other books, even a lot of the Pivotgeer, I

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<v Speaker 3>would say that that was pieced together all of these

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<v Speaker 3>little moments that had happened over time, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>even know. I had no idea really anything in one

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<v Speaker 3>of an Essays would be a book until way later,

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<v Speaker 3>until we thought oh, it would be a good idea.

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<v Speaker 3>And so then a book like The Mountains You though,

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<v Speaker 3>is a totally different thing, where I started with just

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<v Speaker 3>a really clear vision and idea, and first of all,

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<v Speaker 3>the concept I was just so intrigued by and so

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<v Speaker 3>entrenched in if I could even use that word myself,

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<v Speaker 3>and so like just perplexed by how counterintuitive it is,

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<v Speaker 3>and also how every single person I knew and had

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<v Speaker 3>ever known was also doing it, and when we would

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<v Speaker 3>talk about it, they'd be like, oh, yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 3>just like this instant resonance. So I was so passionate

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<v Speaker 3>about it. But the idea for that book came in

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like all at once, and I knew the title,

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<v Speaker 3>and I had an idea in my head for the cover,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was really really like like I could almost

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<v Speaker 3>close my eyes and like hold my hands out and

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<v Speaker 3>know what it like, what it was to feel like.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember I have this memory with my book

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<v Speaker 3>designer that when we were finalizing things, the final final

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<v Speaker 3>of the cover, it was like thirty six or thirty

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<v Speaker 3>seven you know, versions, because I just kept making her

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<v Speaker 3>move that little mountain over like one Pika. I was

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<v Speaker 3>like just a little more than I still don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if it's fully even actually as I glance over it,

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<v Speaker 3>you know you still have notes still might But in

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<v Speaker 3>that process, she said something to me very intriguing, which

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<v Speaker 3>is definitely like par for the course of this aspect

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<v Speaker 3>of the process. She said, when you speak about this,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not saying I like this or I don't like this.

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<v Speaker 3>You're saying like, no, it should be here, or this

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<v Speaker 3>is or isn't right, almost as though you feel like

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<v Speaker 3>it already exists, and I'm just trying to make like

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<v Speaker 3>almost a fact simile of what you already know is there.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, No, that's exactly what it feels like to

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<v Speaker 3>me in this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, I gotta try that process sometimes, Like that's that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you a karaoke person? I can be what should

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<v Speaker 1>go to karaoke? Song?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? How many drinks? Oh my gosh, but I'm blanking,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's my only song I can sing. Yes, you

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<v Speaker 3>know it? Give me one reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh by Tracy Chapman.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, yes, it was like by Luther Vandres.

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<v Speaker 3>I hardly knew you, okay, okay, but even that though,

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<v Speaker 3>like you got to get me in a really specific

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<v Speaker 3>headspace to even make that happen.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a funny story about when I was working on

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<v Speaker 2>the SNL doc, Like, Tracy's one of the most She's

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<v Speaker 2>a true artist and she goes on mood and feeling

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<v Speaker 2>and all those things, and so Saturday Night Live has

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<v Speaker 2>been dying to have her like on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like back in eighty eight eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>So what happens is, you know, of course, it's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>Tracy Chapman, all right, what's first segment?

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<v Speaker 1>Fast Car? Right, She's like, no, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>do that, like she was in her face.

1:12:53.080 --> 1:12:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Nirvana did it too, where they just got tired of

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<v Speaker 2>doing smells like teen spirits, so they stopped doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was like a big controversy and the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that she was just tired of doing Fast Car. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been like a year out and so she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I will only come to the show if you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do a new song. They're like, no, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>like do your hit or whatever. So you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't happen. And then one day they needed an artist

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<v Speaker 2>and they wanted Tracy Chapman, and so she comes on

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<v Speaker 2>and this is like I think an eighty nine or

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<v Speaker 2>ninety and she does a new song that no one's

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<v Speaker 2>ever hed before. It was give me the reason, which

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<v Speaker 2>at the time she's doing this like six years before

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<v Speaker 2>she will actually release it. So I just remember like

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<v Speaker 2>the attitudes of the staff was like kind of disappointment,

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<v Speaker 2>like why she squandered such a moment.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you would also be tickled to learn that.

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<v Speaker 3>I say this all the time when I'm like posting

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<v Speaker 3>writing or visiting writing, people like to kind of hear

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<v Speaker 3>the hits, the greatest hits a lot, like more than

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<v Speaker 3>you would think. So I kind of for years always

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<v Speaker 3>went but like had this idea in my head of like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I always need new material, and then I found that

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<v Speaker 3>to really not be the case, that they were almost

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<v Speaker 3>preferring to hear what they love and know. And I

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<v Speaker 3>always say to Bianca, when it's time, I'm like, it's

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<v Speaker 3>time to play slide or the Googoo dolls, it's time

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<v Speaker 3>to play slide. When it's time to post your new

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<v Speaker 3>life would cost your old one page, no iris, it's

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<v Speaker 3>time to slide.

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<v Speaker 2>But for you in the space, Okay, So for me

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<v Speaker 2>with music, I can write about music, I can release

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<v Speaker 2>an album, I can do a movie. There's there's so

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<v Speaker 2>many avenues I can do and move around it. But

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<v Speaker 2>for you, are there other areas of writing that you're interested?

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<v Speaker 2>Like do you have an inner uh nor efron inside you?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you thinking about screenplays?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>But I think creativities you can almost trans for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like right now on my comfort zone is music docs. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that I like the back of my hand. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>still a carrot on a stick kind of thing where

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<v Speaker 2>people are like, hey, why don't you try this this

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<v Speaker 2>animated series, or let's do this music biopic, like let's

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<v Speaker 2>get out of the doc er. And it's frightening for

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<v Speaker 2>me because I just planted my feed here and I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you're six now, I'm really ready for it, and you

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<v Speaker 2>want me to pivot on. But for you, what would

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<v Speaker 2>that equivalent be? Like do you could you do fiction

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<v Speaker 2>your own series or childhood books or any of those things.

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<v Speaker 3>I've had an idea for a fiction book that's like

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<v Speaker 3>based on the true story of my life for a

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<v Speaker 3>long time, and it's always been a dream to write

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<v Speaker 3>a children's book. And you know, I don't even want

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<v Speaker 3>to compare it to this because if I ever do it,

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<v Speaker 3>one day, I don't. It will never be as good

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<v Speaker 3>as this, But I would love to write something like

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<v Speaker 3>the Giving Tree, something.

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<v Speaker 2>Manifuct yourself, it'll be better than the Giving Tree that

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Able to pull quote for this episode those perfect yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate the course correction. I aspire for it to

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<v Speaker 3>give people that same experience where if maybe you're a parent,

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<v Speaker 3>you're reading it to a child, you yourself are sitting

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<v Speaker 3>with it and kind of being like all right, wow,

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<v Speaker 3>like there's almost something in it for me as well,

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<v Speaker 3>or something is being explained. There's another children's book of

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<v Speaker 3>what do you Do with an Idea? Which I thought

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<v Speaker 3>was just a phenomenal concept, and I wish I had

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<v Speaker 3>come up with it. So things like that, and I,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I feel this chapter of my life, these

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<v Speaker 3>types of books, books, excuse me, have felt complete for

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit. Now. My last book was Great Callings,

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<v Speaker 3>and that felt like I've been playing with that for

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<v Speaker 3>so long, and then it kind of felt like the

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<v Speaker 3>copstone of like a like a series if I could

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<v Speaker 3>call that. And so I do feel a sense of

1:17:06.520 --> 1:17:09.240
<v Speaker 3>completion with it, like I feel like I said what

1:17:09.320 --> 1:17:11.880
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to say, and now I definitely am in

1:17:11.920 --> 1:17:15.840
<v Speaker 3>a place where I'm interested and I feel right I do,

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<v Speaker 3>and songwriting would be a dream.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you turn in your book, when it's all

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<v Speaker 2>said and done, close the chapter, what's the process that

1:17:28.680 --> 1:17:31.439
<v Speaker 2>happens next to you once you let the book go

1:17:31.760 --> 1:17:37.120
<v Speaker 2>and there's no more writing, Like, can you, and I

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<v Speaker 2>mean metaphorically, can you be still? I feel very empty?

1:17:42.040 --> 1:17:45.479
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I actually might cry after and I don't mean

1:17:45.520 --> 1:17:47.840
<v Speaker 2>like an emotional thing, like literally, you just have to

1:17:47.920 --> 1:17:51.880
<v Speaker 2>let something go out of you, Like is what is

1:17:51.880 --> 1:17:55.360
<v Speaker 2>the feeling you feel when you regurgitated and get it

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<v Speaker 2>all out of you?

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<v Speaker 3>Relief piece? You asked a question similar before that I

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<v Speaker 3>forgot to answer, and you said, well, how do you

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<v Speaker 3>know when a book is done? Or how do you

1:18:04.320 --> 1:18:06.080
<v Speaker 3>know when it's ready to be a book? And my

1:18:06.200 --> 1:18:09.080
<v Speaker 3>answer to both of these is similar. It's like a

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<v Speaker 3>little wild, but it's genuine and if there's like a

1:18:12.400 --> 1:18:15.200
<v Speaker 3>creative person out there listening, and if you take this

1:18:15.240 --> 1:18:18.080
<v Speaker 3>back into your own life, it'll be worth it. I

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<v Speaker 3>have to get to a place with it where you

1:18:21.960 --> 1:18:25.280
<v Speaker 3>couldn't convince me it's bad. That's how I know.

1:18:25.320 --> 1:18:28.760
<v Speaker 1>It's ready really, So you have to feel it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it can't be other people telling me that

1:18:31.400 --> 1:18:33.640
<v Speaker 3>it's great. I have to know that it is, and

1:18:33.680 --> 1:18:36.000
<v Speaker 3>I have to feel that I did the absolute best

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<v Speaker 3>that I could possibly do.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your version of a demo?

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<v Speaker 3>Like a draft?

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, I'm scared shitless, Like anytime I submit a

1:18:46.960 --> 1:18:51.000
<v Speaker 2>song to the roots, like what do you think? Like

1:18:51.080 --> 1:18:53.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm already having excuses like okay, this is the rough

1:18:53.840 --> 1:18:56.400
<v Speaker 2>mix and my voice sounds bad. I'm just giving you

1:18:56.439 --> 1:18:58.519
<v Speaker 2>the general idea, and there's like shut up in mere

1:18:58.640 --> 1:18:59.160
<v Speaker 2>play this song.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's the beginning of like here's the concept

1:19:03.160 --> 1:19:06.040
<v Speaker 3>or like well, okay, so you're asking too about you know,

1:19:06.080 --> 1:19:09.240
<v Speaker 3>like the the creative process, like the technical process of

1:19:09.280 --> 1:19:11.799
<v Speaker 3>when you're putting, you know, putting that book together in particularly,

1:19:12.080 --> 1:19:13.960
<v Speaker 3>so it's kind of like an umbrella it down where

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<v Speaker 3>it's like I have the overall concept of what I

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<v Speaker 3>know I'm trying to get across, and then I break

1:19:17.880 --> 1:19:19.840
<v Speaker 3>it down to the chapters. So it's like right here,

1:19:19.840 --> 1:19:22.840
<v Speaker 3>my here are my sub points, you know, like here's

1:19:22.920 --> 1:19:24.240
<v Speaker 3>here's the next thing I want to get into. And

1:19:24.280 --> 1:19:25.720
<v Speaker 3>I break it down that way so it can be

1:19:25.800 --> 1:19:28.240
<v Speaker 3>even because otherwise I find if I free write it.

1:19:28.320 --> 1:19:31.120
<v Speaker 3>I front load everything in the first chapter, and then

1:19:31.160 --> 1:19:33.080
<v Speaker 3>by the end it's I've got nothing left.

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<v Speaker 2>Who do you trust to be your sounding board? Like

1:19:36.720 --> 1:19:38.560
<v Speaker 2>who talks you off the ledge?

1:19:38.600 --> 1:19:42.040
<v Speaker 3>My fiance, I'm my best friend. But it depends also

1:19:42.080 --> 1:19:45.479
<v Speaker 3>on what part of the process we're at, because there's

1:19:45.640 --> 1:19:47.960
<v Speaker 3>different people. I go to four different things, So it's

1:19:48.000 --> 1:19:51.080
<v Speaker 3>like if it's the concept or the idea, and it's

1:19:51.160 --> 1:19:53.559
<v Speaker 3>we're going back and forth so that if I need

1:19:53.560 --> 1:19:56.200
<v Speaker 3>a sounding board for that, sure, But then once it

1:19:56.200 --> 1:19:58.439
<v Speaker 3>gets a little bit farther along, I'm usually asking more

1:19:58.479 --> 1:20:01.840
<v Speaker 3>technical questions like is this well, where does this make sense?

1:20:02.000 --> 1:20:04.360
<v Speaker 3>Or does this need to be clearer? So it kind

1:20:04.400 --> 1:20:08.120
<v Speaker 3>of evolves for me. But I when that final you know,

1:20:08.400 --> 1:20:11.160
<v Speaker 3>I've talked about this before, But when I got to

1:20:11.200 --> 1:20:12.760
<v Speaker 3>the end of writing the Mountain, as you and I

1:20:12.800 --> 1:20:14.840
<v Speaker 3>wrote those last lines, that is the point of the Mountain.

1:20:14.920 --> 1:20:16.839
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I really mean it. That was a feeling

1:20:16.880 --> 1:20:19.240
<v Speaker 3>like I've never had before in my life, and I

1:20:19.320 --> 1:20:21.000
<v Speaker 3>don't know if I will ever have it again, because

1:20:21.000 --> 1:20:24.280
<v Speaker 3>it was just truly such a process to get there.

1:20:24.800 --> 1:20:28.160
<v Speaker 3>But it was like beauty. It was like awe, it

1:20:28.200 --> 1:20:31.320
<v Speaker 3>was like relief. It was like surrender. It was almost

1:20:31.479 --> 1:20:35.760
<v Speaker 3>like it's not even it's not even a security or

1:20:35.840 --> 1:20:38.960
<v Speaker 3>certainty of you know, everyone will think this is amazing.

1:20:39.000 --> 1:20:41.160
<v Speaker 3>It's that's not even in my head yet. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>more I know that I did everything I could possibly

1:20:44.240 --> 1:20:46.479
<v Speaker 3>do with this idea, like I feel like I did

1:20:46.479 --> 1:20:48.479
<v Speaker 3>it justice. And then I have to get to the

1:20:48.520 --> 1:20:53.080
<v Speaker 3>point where I feel that piece in me and then

1:20:52.120 --> 1:20:55.800
<v Speaker 3>I kind of send it out with this intention, which

1:20:55.840 --> 1:20:59.680
<v Speaker 3>I do find my books to listen to their instructions

1:20:59.680 --> 1:21:02.280
<v Speaker 3>I give, which is you will find who needs it

1:21:02.320 --> 1:21:05.360
<v Speaker 3>when they need it, and not a minute before and

1:21:05.439 --> 1:21:08.160
<v Speaker 3>not a minute after, and who really needs it. And

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<v Speaker 3>I all the people I've ever met are like it was.

1:21:10.200 --> 1:21:12.880
<v Speaker 3>So people tell me all the time that the wild

1:21:12.920 --> 1:21:15.960
<v Speaker 3>stories about how they're like it was exactly what I needed.

1:21:15.960 --> 1:21:18.320
<v Speaker 3>But I was, you know, in my office and my

1:21:18.360 --> 1:21:21.040
<v Speaker 3>coworker had it on the table and I was like, oh,

1:21:21.080 --> 1:21:23.680
<v Speaker 3>what's that? Like these like strange roundabout ways that it

1:21:23.720 --> 1:21:24.720
<v Speaker 3>comes to them.

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<v Speaker 2>You say, I'm not laughing at you, You're literally just

1:21:30.000 --> 1:21:36.759
<v Speaker 2>remind You're literally reminded me this. This is the worst,

1:21:37.000 --> 1:21:38.880
<v Speaker 2>all right, this is the worst a mere story I'm

1:21:38.880 --> 1:21:39.679
<v Speaker 2>telling of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one point.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I've heard on a few sitcoms or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>like a baby will be a good wingman or a.

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<v Speaker 1>Dog you know, you walk through the park.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, give me your number whatever. I remember

1:21:56.360 --> 1:22:00.599
<v Speaker 2>you said that, and it just hit me. One day

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<v Speaker 2>I was on a flight and the way that the

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<v Speaker 2>seat was structured, and I was in like one of

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<v Speaker 2>the first rooms like when you get on the thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had this out sitting there, and literally like

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<v Speaker 2>seven people.

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<v Speaker 1>Were like whoa, yoh, I love that book to oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, you read that book to this, and then

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<v Speaker 1>all the mountain yes, And then all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>this became like my and my confess.

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<v Speaker 2>But literally yah, there was like a good two weeks

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<v Speaker 2>when I was on tour where like yeah, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to preport okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Strategically.

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<v Speaker 3>See if they notice it, yo, but I tell you no.

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<v Speaker 2>And then but the thing is is also on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side of the cord, is I'm notoriously I'm now

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<v Speaker 2>getting over my no small talk phase, Like seriously, my

1:23:03.520 --> 1:23:06.840
<v Speaker 2>anxiety with small talk is world famous in my circles.

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<v Speaker 2>And so then the wrong person small talk me to death.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just wanted to sleep on the plane. So

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<v Speaker 2>then I've retired the book and stay stayed inside my bag.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, these are my last five questions very quick.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, rapid fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, this is sort of that, I hope. So what

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<v Speaker 1>was your favorite year?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow? Should I ask why? Or no?

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<v Speaker 3>Is this rapid fire?

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<v Speaker 1>But I just who's your least favorite year?

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty twenty? Which I guess doesn't but it really?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Okay, what is the greatest cereal of all time?

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<v Speaker 3>Cereal?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? What's the greatest cereal of all time?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>Man?

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<v Speaker 3>But I feel like I have bad tastes, so I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like, but we're friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I won't judge you.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I already feel it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not judging you.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I feel you're gonna have a reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>Just don't say grape nuts. Go ahead, No, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Wouldn't say that. I was gonna say Reese's Puffs. Puffs. Yeah, see, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>never mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm only saying this because.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, the shame that I feel about being

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<v Speaker 2>late to Star Wars, I commit it to peanut butter

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<v Speaker 2>Captain Crunch, which, if you look at it, Reese's Puffs

1:24:31.479 --> 1:24:33.040
<v Speaker 2>and Peanut Butter Captain Crunch.

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<v Speaker 3>Is sort of similar.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's an amalgamation of cocoa puffs and peanut

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<v Speaker 2>butter and chocolate. I love Reese's, That's my favorite candy bar.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm very much stuck in the Captain Crunch world.

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<v Speaker 2>And actually I found out that, uh, Post Cereal they

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot of their testing for Walmart, So Walmart's

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<v Speaker 2>brand good Morning Cereal whatever I I cannot I cannot

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<v Speaker 2>emphasize this strong enough that the Morning Cereals for Walmart

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<v Speaker 2>some of the best cereals of all time, Like Posts

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<v Speaker 2>will actually do a lot of their experiments.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll do.

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<v Speaker 2>Red velvet cake, like all these experimental Look, I belong

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<v Speaker 2>to a cereal club.

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<v Speaker 1>Why am I confessing like all these things? Do you?

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Says Captain Crunch.

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<v Speaker 2>Your answer, Captain Crunch would be my rider. No peanut butter,

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<v Speaker 2>Captain Crunch, but could be mine? My rider died.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to say, fruity Pebbles is up there too

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<v Speaker 3>for me? Yeah, it's what it does to the milk after.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, you're absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to April Broomfield of Milk for doing the

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<v Speaker 2>Cereal milk.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your go to emoji?

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<v Speaker 3>What is the emoji you use the most it's the

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<v Speaker 3>laugh cry one that I.

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<v Speaker 1>Straight up or sideways straight.

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<v Speaker 3>But everyone says that like age is you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh why if I use that, then I'm am into

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<v Speaker 1>the world and I'm over fifty.

1:26:08.200 --> 1:26:10.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like you're supposed to do the one on the side.

1:26:10.960 --> 1:26:12.520
<v Speaker 1>I do the one on the side.

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<v Speaker 3>You're right, okay, I do the laugh cry and then

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<v Speaker 3>I would say that.

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<v Speaker 1>The wait right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Not well, not personally, but I've just like noticed, I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like younger people use different ones that I do

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<v Speaker 3>the laugh cry oh. And then he's saying that I

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<v Speaker 3>do the like the sobbing one a lot, okay, And

1:26:28.800 --> 1:26:31.760
<v Speaker 3>I use that interchangeably for I'm happy or like.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, black eyed sobbing.

1:26:33.400 --> 1:26:35.559
<v Speaker 3>I just like the like tears streaming down. I use

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<v Speaker 3>that one a lot, and then just like a I

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<v Speaker 3>use it like a heart a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll do this.

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<v Speaker 3>One, you know, the hands, Yeah, I think those are

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<v Speaker 3>my top content?

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<v Speaker 5>Are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you being a gen z shame right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Like I mean, I have a gen z shame.

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<v Speaker 2>That I'll share mine if you share yours. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>realize how old the concept of cash is.

1:27:00.520 --> 1:27:02.639
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I think I'm learning right now.

1:27:03.000 --> 1:27:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean I think I know, but this current generation.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I'm at thirty Rock, I'll sometimes maybe instead

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<v Speaker 2>of uber eating, I will just send an intern down

1:27:15.479 --> 1:27:17.080
<v Speaker 2>to get me a slice of pizza in the basement

1:27:17.080 --> 1:27:20.240
<v Speaker 2>and bring it up to my office at thirty Rock.

1:27:20.680 --> 1:27:22.839
<v Speaker 2>And this was such a case where I wanted a pizza,

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<v Speaker 2>so I got my joorer, pulled my wallet out, and

1:27:30.600 --> 1:27:34.599
<v Speaker 2>all I know is a week later, my niece who

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<v Speaker 2>also interns there, kind of had a quiet intervention thing.

1:27:40.439 --> 1:27:44.800
<v Speaker 2>But it's sort of like a yeah, so everyone in

1:27:44.840 --> 1:27:47.479
<v Speaker 2>the office is talking about like you have this big

1:27:47.520 --> 1:27:50.240
<v Speaker 2>giant wad of cash, and I'm like, what are they saying.

1:27:50.280 --> 1:27:54.719
<v Speaker 2>They're like, well, you know, they've just never seen money

1:27:54.760 --> 1:27:58.439
<v Speaker 2>like that before, and a wallet like do.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what vemo is?

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<v Speaker 5>Know what like?

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<v Speaker 2>And up until that point, I'd never paid for anything

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<v Speaker 2>on my iPhone.

1:28:07.240 --> 1:28:08.679
<v Speaker 3>You never used like Apple wallet.

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<v Speaker 2>So I got shame so bad that it was to

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<v Speaker 2>the point where like I've called my girlfriend like, yo,

1:28:16.640 --> 1:28:19.280
<v Speaker 2>I just paid for gas with my iPhone, like for

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<v Speaker 2>the first Like it's such a such an achievement, Like

1:28:24.600 --> 1:28:27.000
<v Speaker 2>they were joking about it. But when I tell you,

1:28:27.040 --> 1:28:29.760
<v Speaker 2>when I got home and the way they just laugh

1:28:29.840 --> 1:28:33.960
<v Speaker 2>at me for having a wallet with money in it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, like, I felt like, Boomer, what's your shame?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's the emoji. Just using emojis was just

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<v Speaker 3>the laugh emoji that I choose. I feel like I

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<v Speaker 3>always them being like, oh, like millennials do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, so I hate that feeling. I hate that feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>I admit something though.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw all a text that Miss Lauren Hill sent

1:28:55.800 --> 1:29:00.160
<v Speaker 2>once and kind of chastised me for some and then

1:29:00.160 --> 1:29:03.799
<v Speaker 2>I say it on social media. But my only takeaway

1:29:03.800 --> 1:29:06.720
<v Speaker 2>of it was like, she knows what emoji's are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a wild episode. Do you collect anything?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you collect?

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<v Speaker 3>This is another wild one. Lay Labo City perfumes when

1:29:22.520 --> 1:29:23.440
<v Speaker 3>I travel.

1:29:24.840 --> 1:29:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Yo, there's so many things you've mentioned to me and

1:29:27.640 --> 1:29:29.280
<v Speaker 1>pop culture that I've never heard of.

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<v Speaker 3>Have I hit the ten mark yet?

1:29:31.520 --> 1:29:33.400
<v Speaker 2>I feel like this is twenty. I feel like I

1:29:33.439 --> 1:29:36.040
<v Speaker 2>do not deserve this show. It feels so exposed right now.

1:29:36.360 --> 1:29:37.000
<v Speaker 1>So what is this?

1:29:37.400 --> 1:29:42.639
<v Speaker 3>Okay, it's the perfume brand lay Laboka, But they have

1:29:43.280 --> 1:29:46.200
<v Speaker 3>stores in different cities all around the world, and each

1:29:46.400 --> 1:29:49.320
<v Speaker 3>city will have its own scent that you can only

1:29:49.320 --> 1:29:51.759
<v Speaker 3>get in that city other than in the month of September.

1:29:51.760 --> 1:29:54.800
<v Speaker 3>You can order refills online, but other than that, you

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<v Speaker 3>can only get like Lymette I think is San Francisco

1:29:58.080 --> 1:29:59.559
<v Speaker 3>or something, so like you have to go to that

1:29:59.600 --> 1:30:01.599
<v Speaker 3>city to get at that cent. So when I.

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<v Speaker 1>Traveled, me are made.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone just asked me this, and I don't know the

1:30:06.000 --> 1:30:08.679
<v Speaker 3>exact number, but it's it's like a lot. But anyway,

1:30:08.680 --> 1:30:11.240
<v Speaker 3>when I travel, I try to find the store and

1:30:11.280 --> 1:30:12.920
<v Speaker 3>buy their city sense. So I have a lot of

1:30:13.160 --> 1:30:16.640
<v Speaker 3>I probably have. I don't even know how many. I

1:30:16.680 --> 1:30:18.559
<v Speaker 3>don't have all of them yet, but I have.

1:30:19.080 --> 1:30:23.160
<v Speaker 1>I haven't a collection of it perfume nice, okay. I

1:30:25.000 --> 1:30:26.280
<v Speaker 1>that only reminds me.

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<v Speaker 2>There were two girls, probably like maybe fifteen twenty years ago.

1:30:33.479 --> 1:30:38.679
<v Speaker 2>One of them had a daughter that wanted snow globes

1:30:38.720 --> 1:30:41.519
<v Speaker 2>from around the world, so that turned me into a

1:30:41.520 --> 1:30:43.760
<v Speaker 2>collector of vet. And then there was another one that

1:30:43.800 --> 1:30:47.120
<v Speaker 2>I dated. She wanted I didn't know that these Starbucks

1:30:47.400 --> 1:30:50.679
<v Speaker 2>mug collecting game was so intense.

1:30:50.840 --> 1:30:51.840
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know about this either.

1:30:51.880 --> 1:30:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Actually, it's it's the most intense called about, like when

1:30:54.400 --> 1:30:58.639
<v Speaker 2>you go on eBay, like to find a special Milwaukee level.

1:30:59.360 --> 1:31:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I figured that way into this girl's heart is through these.

1:31:02.000 --> 1:31:04.400
<v Speaker 3>Mugs and literally wise by the way, but it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like six hundred mugs.

1:31:07.800 --> 1:31:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Six hundred it was, you know, to so enthusiastic about

1:31:13.200 --> 1:31:13.680
<v Speaker 2>the last one.

1:31:13.720 --> 1:31:15.320
<v Speaker 1>I was like, all right, well, whatever city I'm in,

1:31:15.400 --> 1:31:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll just.

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<v Speaker 3>Collect, okay, but if not to impress a woman, is

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<v Speaker 3>there anything you collect other than that?

1:31:21.400 --> 1:31:27.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm in the getting rid of things faced, So I'm uh,

1:31:27.760 --> 1:31:31.360
<v Speaker 2>that's a hard part. I mean, I've collected absolutely any

1:31:31.360 --> 1:31:35.519
<v Speaker 2>and everything. I think right now, artwork is my thing.

1:31:35.720 --> 1:31:37.840
<v Speaker 2>It used to be records, but I capped it at

1:31:37.880 --> 1:31:40.360
<v Speaker 2>two hundred thousand, so now I'm on to artwork.

1:31:40.400 --> 1:31:41.919
<v Speaker 3>You have two d thousand records.

1:31:42.200 --> 1:31:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it used to be me just individually shopping and

1:31:45.800 --> 1:31:49.759
<v Speaker 2>buying records over the years, and then in the last

1:31:49.800 --> 1:31:55.280
<v Speaker 2>five years many a library has shut down unceremoniously. Radio

1:31:55.320 --> 1:32:00.200
<v Speaker 2>stations right now, NPR is going through it. So I

1:32:00.320 --> 1:32:04.880
<v Speaker 2>often get a hey, you know, government subsidies. You know

1:32:04.960 --> 1:32:09.160
<v Speaker 2>we have to shut down. We have like fifteen thousand

1:32:09.160 --> 1:32:12.080
<v Speaker 2>records in our jazz program. We don't, I mean, we

1:32:12.080 --> 1:32:13.559
<v Speaker 2>can give them the good will, but we know you

1:32:13.640 --> 1:32:17.040
<v Speaker 2>love records, gest loove, like if you would like these,

1:32:17.560 --> 1:32:21.520
<v Speaker 2>So I've just been in the last five years taken.

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<v Speaker 1>This college is fifteen thousand records. And wow, maybe.

1:32:25.800 --> 1:32:32.200
<v Speaker 2>This member of the Four Tops died and his daughter's like, hey.

1:32:30.920 --> 1:32:32.240
<v Speaker 3>Take these chunks.

1:32:32.439 --> 1:32:35.599
<v Speaker 1>Also, they know I'm the record hoarder, but then you know.

1:32:35.680 --> 1:32:38.759
<v Speaker 3>We also collect records, but nowhere near that many.

1:32:39.040 --> 1:32:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's bad. I just got to farm some building.

1:32:44.439 --> 1:32:44.599
<v Speaker 5>Well.

1:32:44.680 --> 1:32:46.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in twenty twenty, you're going.

1:32:46.560 --> 1:32:48.400
<v Speaker 3>To have a record house.

1:32:48.640 --> 1:32:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I will.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you send me a picture.

1:32:51.000 --> 1:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I will send you a picture of this. Yes, I'll

1:32:52.960 --> 1:32:54.240
<v Speaker 1>invite you to the grand opening.

1:32:54.280 --> 1:32:55.160
<v Speaker 3>I would love to come.

1:32:55.880 --> 1:32:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Still building it.

1:32:56.600 --> 1:32:59.960
<v Speaker 2>All right, So the last thing, when all said and done,

1:33:00.080 --> 1:33:02.280
<v Speaker 2>I know this is a dumb question. I really wish

1:33:02.320 --> 1:33:06.720
<v Speaker 2>I closed on the serial question. Yeah, what what do

1:33:06.800 --> 1:33:08.680
<v Speaker 2>you hope that we say about you when all is

1:33:08.680 --> 1:33:09.320
<v Speaker 2>said and done.

1:33:10.760 --> 1:33:14.240
<v Speaker 3>I hope you say that she was really brave.

1:33:15.360 --> 1:33:19.599
<v Speaker 1>I'll take that. Rihanna, thank you so much for coming

1:33:19.640 --> 1:33:21.719
<v Speaker 1>on my show. This is a long time coming.

1:33:21.760 --> 1:33:24.439
<v Speaker 2>I thought you would have never I almost felt like

1:33:24.479 --> 1:33:27.720
<v Speaker 2>this might be an exercise on your part, Like I

1:33:27.720 --> 1:33:30.240
<v Speaker 2>feel like I forced you out of here your comfort

1:33:30.320 --> 1:33:33.280
<v Speaker 2>zone or in the shadows or something, or we're gonna have,

1:33:33.360 --> 1:33:36.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, six extra weeks of sun and you know.

1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:39.160
<v Speaker 3>Well that yes, but that's just you know.

1:33:39.240 --> 1:33:42.360
<v Speaker 1>I feel accomplished. This, this was this was a big

1:33:42.439 --> 1:33:42.960
<v Speaker 1>get for me.

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<v Speaker 3>This was an honor to be here.

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