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Speaker 1: Quest Left Show is a production of iHeart Radio. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna be normal today, right, We're gonna be.

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Speaker 2: There's gonna be two regular secular people just talking.

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Speaker 1: So, ladies and gentlemen, this is the Quest Left Show.

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Speaker 2: For the past six years that I've been on this platform,

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Speaker 2: I have spoken candidly about my journey. I always think

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Speaker 2: that when I start talking about like the quote unquote

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Speaker 2: journey I've been on that you guys are.

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Speaker 1: Like secretly eye rolling me, like here he goes again.

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Speaker 2: But you know, for the for the three people that

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Speaker 2: turn off before I get to it. I'll say that

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Speaker 2: a lot has happened in my life post twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: as far as in the name of growth, in my profession,

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Speaker 2: my personal life, my discoveries in the mental health space.

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Speaker 2: Even my next musical documentary project, which comes out on

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Speaker 2: HBO this year on Earth, Wind and Fire, deals a

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Speaker 2: lot in metaphysics.

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Speaker 1: And I will say that at least.

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Speaker 2: In the first four months before shooting, I dove into

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Speaker 2: almost every book that I could get into from every

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Speaker 2: author on the subject, be it Gay Hendricks, Jodaspenza, Florence Scovel, Shinn,

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Speaker 2: Richard Rudd, Nevill Goddard, Trisher, Hearsay, NATURALA Glover. I had

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Speaker 2: to write these down because there's a lot Barbariahan kleole

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Speaker 2: Ta Swartt, David Hawkins, even Napoleon Hill, so on and

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Speaker 2: so forth. But I will say that of all the

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Speaker 2: material that I've immersed myself into, I will say that

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Speaker 2: our guest today, who's probably highly uncomfortable.

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Speaker 3: Not yet.

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Speaker 2: When I start going in on how impactful this book

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Speaker 2: in particular has been on my life. There are several

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Speaker 2: books The Art of Letting Go, I'm the Hero of

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Speaker 2: my Own life, The Truth About Everything, most popular, probably

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Speaker 2: one hundred and one essays that will change the way

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Speaker 2: you think. The pivot year is so many, but of

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Speaker 2: course my all time favorite of that canon is The

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Speaker 2: Mountain is You and the subtitle transforming the self Sabotage

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Speaker 2: into self Mastery. Her book has reached millions of people

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Speaker 2: just like me. Any artist that I know, any period

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Speaker 2: that I know, I've purchased this book. I think I've

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Speaker 2: purchased this book at least four hundred times. This book

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Speaker 2: entered at a time in my life which I didn't

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Speaker 2: know I was self sabotaged myself. Anyway, this is making

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Speaker 2: me uncomfortable. Now to do this speels like a lifetime achievement,

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Speaker 2: a war. You're about to receive, ladies and gentlemen. Well,

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Speaker 2: let me just say, Brianna, I want to thank you

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Speaker 2: for coming to the Quest Love Show.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good? Thank you for having me from.

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Speaker 1: One to ten? How awkward is this right now? Zero?

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Speaker 3: You're all good?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, he's in now with it.

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Speaker 2: Let me give you just a slight background. Because we're

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Speaker 2: not strangers. I'd like to say that we're we're we're

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Speaker 2: between friends and acquaintances, you know. I mean, we're not

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Speaker 2: at each other's house like cooking dinner or whatever. But

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Speaker 2: I feel lucky that I'm able to text you Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're friends. Well, I'll just say when we first met,

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Speaker 2: it was surreal for me because I had just started

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Speaker 2: hosting game nights. Everyone's heard about my game nights, and

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Speaker 2: really game nights are supposed to be a good arthartic

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Speaker 2: act on my part to step out of my comfort zone.

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Speaker 2: I like to control the atmosphere from which I'm in, Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't like going out as much, so hiding behind

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Speaker 2: my way of going out, like, oh, I went to

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Speaker 2: Because I'm a person that wants to do maximum impact

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Speaker 2: or my gifts.

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Speaker 1: But when it's time.

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Speaker 2: To the reciprocation part to get the love and to

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Speaker 2: those things, I'm Captain hide and plane site Smurf.

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Speaker 1: Same despite looking like this like same, I understand.

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Speaker 2: Like taking my hair out now is like a major challenge,

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Speaker 1: But also I'm not fulling anyone. I'm still me.

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Speaker 1: For you you, what is it like that we now

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the reason why I was slow to say

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Speaker 3: Today we can we can be friends? Okay, cool as

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Speaker 3: like like scared Ali Wong into leaving.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, no, I hit Ali. I texted her.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, because in that moment, you know, you reach

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Speaker 3: It was like the most awkward thing that you could

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Speaker 1: You know, but I knew Ali didn't know who you were.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, once I explained.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for doing that. I think it was all fine.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I directly told you, but I

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Speaker 2: But then there's a step beyond that, which good friend

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Speaker 2: of mine Lauren Xander came up with a term called manifucking.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I was going to bring this up.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you can manifest or you can manifuct it.

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Speaker 1: Look, that's Lauren's word. You know she's in the same.

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Speaker 2: But the first time I heard manifucking was heard basically

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Speaker 2: She told me, I manifucked that moment, and I was,

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Speaker 1: And she was like, yeah, who, but.

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Speaker 2: Elevating yourself and being the leader, that stuff that you

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Speaker 2: told the universe. If there's a way to distract me

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Speaker 1: Away from me. I will take it right now.

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Speaker 1: People know.

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Speaker 2: But I sat down and then I thought about it,

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Speaker 2: All right, So when I first started my profession, I

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Speaker 2: You know, so hey common most stuff and you know,

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Speaker 3: And I think that there's also a lot of parallels

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Speaker 3: I have friends who are very much in that world,

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Speaker 3: lobby and you know, had a minute to just kind

439
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 3: of breathe and let things set. But so, you know,

440
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 3: I've read all the books, and I you know, for years,

441
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 3: have felt like, you know, oh, I need to have

442
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 3: a really optimized morning routine like so many people, and

443
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 3: it's so effective for them. And I found a lot

444
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 3: of the time that if I tried to override what

445
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 3: my you know, body, mind, spirit and life were telling

446
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 3: me I needed in that moment because I thought that's

447
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 3: what I should be doing, it would almost have like

448
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 3: a counter effect on me, Like I'd become less productive

449
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 3: because I tried to like like wake up at you know,

450
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 3: four forty five, like everyone says you should and like

451
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 3: exercise first thing, Like I'm someone that like exercise exhausts me. Sure, yeah,

452
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 3: but everyone else says, like, you know, it's it's very

453
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 3: it gives them energy, you know, And then that makes

454
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: sense to me, you know, and I understand it. But

455
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 3: I just found that for myself, I would sit down

456
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 3: and you know, I'd really be starting to get into

457
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 3: and I'd be like, oh my god, I've got nothing left.

458
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: So that's kind of when it clicked me, like, right, well,

459
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 3: if you know that you're the clearest and like the

460
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: most productive in this time, to use that time for

461
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 3: what really really like counts and so whether that's you know,

462
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 3: being outside doing something I love, you know, walking something

463
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 3: I love. Also something about writing first thing is that

464
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 3: it was almost kind of like I didn't have time

465
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 3: to get in my own head or stop myself.

466
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: Okay, so you understand the laws of theta mind state vaguely,

467
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean basically, your brain is divided into

468
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 2: five parts alpha, Beta, Theta, data, and gamma. And of

469
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 2: course the alpha is hyper aware of everything, like this

470
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: is the color white, this is wood, this is you know,

471
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 2: like a sweater. And this happens a lot for songwriters,

472
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: which is why most of the creative and successful people

473
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: you know do take advantage of the four AM. It's

474
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 2: said that the first forty five minutes of your day

475
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 2: when you're like struggling to wake up, when you're pressing

476
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: this snooze button one more time, when you're in that

477
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 2: sort of state, that's when the genius part starts, like

478
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 2: if you force yourself. It took me like maybe last

479
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: three years, especially for this album that we're working on,

480
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: like all my ideas come to me the second I

481
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: wake up. Or also the opposite is when you're dead tired. Basically,

482
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: when you're alpha, the the aware part is asleep. Then

483
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 2: the rest of your brain which still is awake to

484
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: operate your heart and the body parts that you don't

485
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: that's what guides you. So for you right, even if

486
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: you're like fully half asleep or whatever.

487
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,959
Speaker 3: That's basically and I think that's also reminds me of

488
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,239
Speaker 3: something years ago someone told me to do and it

489
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 3: was so incredibly effective, which was to make like a

490
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 3: voice note or voice recording of my own voice, you know,

491
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 3: saying affirmations and to fall asleep listening to them, or

492
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 3: to listen to them when you just wake up.

493
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: Do that all the time, do you.

494
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised. And then it's something about kind of

495
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 3: the like your brain is most pressionable at that time

496
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: when you're in that state, and then it's kind of like,

497
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: I forget exactly what they were telling me. It was

498
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 3: like when your subconscious state. Yeah, when your brain here's

499
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 3: something right before it falls asleep, you know, it takes

500
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 3: it and it kind of logs it. It's kind of

501
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 3: you know, it's filing it away in a way that

502
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 3: it's not when you're you know, I guess in your

503
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 3: what is alphabet? Like what state are we in? Now?

504
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: Well, we're in an alphae?

505
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 3: Yeah right now?

506
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: Okay, So well that's the thing.

507
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: Another experience that's almost akin or equivalent to sleeping in

508
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: that state is driving.

509
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're fool.

510
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all the books when like when I take

511
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: your books, any music I create, any books I read.

512
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: I just especially back when I was going back and

513
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 2: forth between the farm I was staying at and my

514
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: city in the apartment, which you know, it's like a two.

515
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: Hour process driving back and forth.

516
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: If you listen to those books even though you're driving

517
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: and you're up and you're aware, like you're still in

518
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: a subconscious state. And that's literally how I learn and

519
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: take in everything, Like I don't do the whole I

520
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 2: thought it was like repeating nineteen times over this thing.

521
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: No, I go to sleep, wake up, know it like instantly.

522
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 3: Okay, So this is fascinating to me as well because

523
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 3: driving is actually a big part of my process as well,

524
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 3: Like huge, Yeah, I would say that. So I wrote

525
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: the Mountains you in Bixer and I lived there for

526
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: a few years, and you know, when I was first

527
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: going there, I'm driving it on Highway one, and this

528
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: is the first time I ever had this experience. I

529
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 3: think for me personally, it was the combination of you

530
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 3: know what nature like that does for me, but also

531
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: it's the element of driving of putting myself in that state.

532
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: I seriously would be pulling over on the side of

533
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 3: the road like mid drive because I'm like, I can't

534
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 3: even get and I couldn't even get it out fast enough.

535
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: Are crazy, Yes, Like.

536
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 3: I can't even write this down fast enough. And I

537
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: think the very like gross way I was describing I

538
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 3: was like, it's like throwing up. It is like like

539
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 3: I couldn't control it. But then also what was more

540
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: amazing about it was if I didn't write it down

541
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 3: as fast as I could, it's like I would lose it.

542
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?

543
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: Nothing worse than right for you, at least as words

544
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 2: like it's horrible or horrible When you're trying to hum

545
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: a baseline and the next day you get to it,

546
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: it's just like and I lost it forever. But for

547
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: you you just voice memo it or you.

548
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 3: Or write it down or write down the keywords or

549
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 3: idea if I can't get the whole entire thing out.

550
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: But that's pretty much how I've written that whole whole book.

551
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 3: And I would say that my pive two poetry books,

552
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 3: and I would say that those came through the exact

553
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 3: same way, like like it wasn't something I had to

554
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: really like think about or deduce or like, you know,

555
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 3: intellectualize my way through at all. It was just kind

556
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: of like it just hit you. And then there was.

557
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: Do you have a musical talent?

558
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: No?

559
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

560
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: Man, if I can channel this present mind state of

561
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: you right now into a music channel, your songwriting would

562
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: just save all of us.

563
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: Funny you bring that up. It's not off the table.

564
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 3: It's not off the table off one day.

565
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, even if it's if it is. When you said

566
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: poetry stands it, I was like, Jesus Christ, Yo, you

567
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: could be a song.

568
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: It's one of the dreams out there that I have

569
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: for my life, maybe in the future. So let's check

570
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 3: back in a little bit.

571
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: I will.

572
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 3: I would also like to I would love to sing,

573
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: and I grew up singing and I don't think I'm

574
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: super great at it. But do you know what inspires me?

575
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: Though?

576
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: So many people that I hear that sign on for

577
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: movies and they learn either an instrument or to sing

578
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: for the role. And I'm like, well, okay, if you

579
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 3: could learn.

580
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: That methodactic, there you go.

581
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 3: Maybe I can learn too.

582
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: What is your earliest memory in life?

583
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: Oh? What a beautiful question.

584
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: I have a few Okay.

585
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: I remember being in the grassy green area of my

586
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: apartment complex when I was like one or two and

587
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: my dad teaching me to walk, and I remember feeling

588
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: frustrated that I couldn't. Yeah that, I yes, which tracks

589
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 3: if you know me now, like that right, Okay, I

590
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: remember that. And actually I had my phone to show

591
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: you the picture. I just found this photo of myself

592
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: when I was maybe three or four years old, really

593
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: super young, and I think it was a school photo

594
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: and I have, I mean the fit, I have, like

595
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 3: a like cheetah shirt on, like a cheetah matching cheetah bow.

596
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: I was wow. And in the picture, I'm holding this

597
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: blue puzzle piece in a really kind of awkward way.

598
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: They kind of pose you like this. It's like a

599
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 3: school picture. And I remember having a coherent thought at

600
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 3: that age of really not liking that blue puzzle piece.

601
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: I felt like it was so forced and I felt

602
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: like they were really ruining the moment and the picture,

603
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: and I'd like I'd gotten already for this picture, and

604
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: I was like, this just so, isn't it? And I

605
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 3: do I mean, I like did it because you know,

606
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: I like, I didn't put it down, but I look

607
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: back at that picture room like, I remember not liking

608
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: this then, and you know what, I was right? It

609
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 3: was too forced and the.

610
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: Blue clashed To this day, you don't like that.

611
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: You this day, I look back and think, you know what,

612
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 3: I really I should have said something at three because

613
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: I knew. And then the last it's a lot of memories, okay,

614
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 3: last one, I remember falling asleep reading and I did

615
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: have a TV in my room, but I had a lot,

616
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: a lot of books.

617
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: Where were your go to books as a child. Oh

618
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: my gosh, you're not one of these potterheads, are you?

619
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: Oh?

620
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 3: Okay, no, I think I did have the books though.

621
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: Now just went through a phase where like girls who

622
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: were you know, they would be genuinely shocked.

623
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: Like you never let hally pot people probably have that

624
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: reaction too. Have you seen the movies though?

625
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: For a person that immerses himself in a culture of

626
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: cinnamon and all those things, if it's Art House films

627
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: or Criterion collection or any of those things, like like

628
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: the back of my hand, because I lived I lived

629
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: in a roots tour bus for eighteen years, and so

630
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: watching movies was surefireway to pass the time between thirteen

631
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: hour trips between cities, but much of their horror when

632
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: it came to like the classics.

633
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: What do you mean you never seen Godfather? What do

634
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: you mean You've never seen Star Wars? What do you mean?

635
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: So I had to during the pandemic is when in

636
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: quarantine is when I literally caught up with everything that

637
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: have been shamed about.

638
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god, wait, I'm the same way.

639
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: All right, So what your so many for?

640
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: What is your top four or five movies that you've

641
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: been shamed about having.

642
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: Never seen it?

643
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:44,239
Speaker 3: Oh? You got it? You got it? Is out. We

644
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: were watching Holes in the hotel two nights ago.

645
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: Holes.

646
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, holes.

647
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: Maybe I need to be shamed. What's holes?

648
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: It's facing the Lewis Sachar book. I gotta watch its

649
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: in it Sigourney Weaver.

650
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: Okay, I've not heard of this, and I make movies.

651
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: Oh shy, I love opposite it and it's and he's

652
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: really young.

653
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: And I've heard this now, Okay, okay.

654
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: I like to watch repeats too of things that I

655
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: loved when I was young. So that was a favorite

656
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: when I was youngest. We're literally, I mean I haven't

657
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: I have missed every good movie in the last five years.

658
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: But don't worry. I own holes and have watched it

659
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: and like know the lines.

660
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: So this is your favorite film?

661
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: I to god, you know what? We can't say that

662
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: it's up there. I'm really letting people know me.

663
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: Now, all right, what hell are you going to die on? What?

664
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 1: What is your favorite movie?

665
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: Oh?

666
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I know it's corny.

667
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: It probably I've seen the answer and then now I've

668
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: seen your brain racing for or something.

669
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: So okay, but oh wait, I'm going to stand by

670
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: it though. I really love Labor Day? Do you know

671
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 3: a Labor Day with Kate Winslet No labor and Josh Brolin?

672
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: Is that there isn't it?

673
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: I gotta watch it.

674
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: That movie, I feel like it came out maybe twenty fourteen,

675
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 3: and I thought to myself, what a beautiful depiction of

676
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: like pragmatic, practical love, And I just thought that it

677
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: had a way deeper message than what was on the surface.

678
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: And I love that movie a lot. And before Sunsets,

679
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: Before Yeah, Romance, Yeah, really beautiful.

680
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen Defending Your Life over Brooks? All right, So,

681
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: especially in light of the movie, I just did one

682
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: of the things I had to sort of release myself

683
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: from were just the kind of fire and brimstone religious

684
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: dogma that I've been just force fed throughout my life. Well,

685
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: I'm in one of the Pixar film Soul, of which

686
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: Soul was the first time where I was like, this

687
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: is actually what I think.

688
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,479
Speaker 1: Happens to your body when you die, like that.

689
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: Whole journey and and defending your life is by Albert Brooks,

690
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: and he essentially has to in a flash he's dead,

691
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: similar to the story of Soul, Like he wakes up

692
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: one day and he's in essentially what you call purgatory,

693
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: and he has to go to kind of a court

694
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 2: with a jury and lawyers and a judge and whatnot

695
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: and defend his life. And essentially what he's being accused

696
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: of is not living life to the fullest, not defending himself,

697
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: not loving himself, and they're going in on him like

698
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: the time where he got beat up in first grade,

699
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: you know, and didn't defend himself and all these and

700
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: it's a lesson where essentially kind of Christmas story Jacob

701
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: Marley Scrooge Way, like he wakes up like renewed, like

702
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: season a day and that sort of thing someone recommended

703
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: to me, and what defense defend you life.

704
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, defending your life. And I never knew that that,

705
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: never knew it existed.

706
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: And to me, it's like one of the most powerful messages.

707
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 3: That it sounds right up my alley.

708
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 5: You would love this film.

709
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question? This is your show?

710
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: Go ahead, take over, we're friends.

711
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 3: There's two questions I always ask people that I get

712
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: to meet or no, and I've never asked you. Number one.

713
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 3: Is there anyone you have ever been truly starstruck by.

714
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: The way that Q Tip kind of ambushed me with

715
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: the news that in sixty seconds I'm about to meet

716
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: Prince for the first time. There's really no there's no

717
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 2: described being what the feeling is because there's a lot.

718
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: Of things you have to deal with.

719
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: And first of all, I mean, the one is meeting Prince,

720
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: but then and that those first thirty seconds you're sizing

721
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: him up, You're trying to figure out like in your

722
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: brain you're like trying to figure out, yeah, he's about

723
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: five to two, but also the circumference of his actual

724
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: headsize to his body, Like I just remember wanting to

725
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: get to figure out what his head well, it was

726
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: just I mean, it's like, holy shit, it's Prince, and

727
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,959
Speaker 2: then you think of it every moment he's ever changed

728
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 2: your life musically, and then how tall you are to him,

729
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: and then how large his head is, and then similar

730
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 2: to you.

731
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: Ali Wong.

732
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,959
Speaker 2: The only thing he's, the only thing I could get

733
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: out was and he that perfectly.

734
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: He led with Yo.

735
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 6: Man.

736
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: That video was so funny. I love that song in

737
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: that video.

738
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: So now I got to deal with the fact that

739
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 2: he knows what I do for a living, and you know,

740
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: like wait, hot, you watch TV, and so all that

741
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: was coming to play, and then all I could muster

742
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 2: up was I said, I think the the last chord

743
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: on Dinner with Dolores is one of the best postmodern

744
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: endings of a rock song in the past forty years.

745
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 6: And he was just like, wow, well damn well he

746
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 6: had a He had also I'm having this conversation in

747
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 6: front of Lenny Kravitz, Oh God, Quincy Jones.

748
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: Mariah Carey, and Quincy's dart was with him, Kadata Rashida's

749
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: older sister, so they were hearing this too. So it

750
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 2: kind of just went over like like you can hear

751
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: a pin drop and it was like, I gotta.

752
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: Go buy It's so funny, and I.

753
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: Went upstairs like you ruined it.

754
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 5: You ruined it.

755
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: And then hour later I came back to try and

756
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 2: redeem myself and said something even more ubard.

757
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: About it was that was me and Allie Like I

758
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: was like, what did you just do? And I was like,

759
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: it's okay.

760
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm scared many of people, So what was your second question?

761
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 3: This is just like a broad overall, like your whole life,

762
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: how has fame been for you?

763
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: Here comes an eye roll of everyone listening. I don't

764
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: feel famous.

765
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that.

766
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: And oftentimes I am aware that I will self evidence

767
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: that you know, why I don't deserve it, why I'm

768
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 2: not in this club, which is also silly, like there's

769
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 2: a part of me that knows that what I've achieved

770
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: and all those things. But oftentimes I just find myself

771
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: in situations where it's right down the middle.

772
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: It's either dude, you.

773
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely changed my life, or it's someone that's like and

774
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: you are and I'm like Amir Thompson quest love.

775
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: And then there's always a person like behind me looks like, dude,

776
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: you don't know this is.

777
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: And if they try and I always try to stop

778
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: them because then if they try to shame or humiliate

779
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: the person, especially you're in New York. Then they're just

780
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: they're really going to play it out, like now he's

781
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: really not getting I'm wait, you're shaming me because I

782
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: don't know.

783
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: Who this guy is or whatever.

784
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: So I think oftentimes I'm reactionary. Maybe that's why I

785
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: throw my own parties or movie night or game night

786
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: or those things.

787
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: So I ask, you know a lot of people those

788
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: two questions, and the first one they almost always have

789
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 3: a really funny story to tell, and the second I

790
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: think you'd be surprised or maybe not that the answer

791
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: is pretty consistent with what you just said.

792
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: I often get frustrated when I ask people. Last time

793
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: I was here, I talked to Jamie Lee Curtis and

794
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: she still like forty minutes in. I was like, oh,

795
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: you really don't know you're Jamilee Curtis.

796
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 3: Like, so, I actually think she doesn't.

797
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: She doesn't.

798
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: But then, you know, the thing that I wrestle with

799
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: is that there's a quote that Nelson Mandela says, actually

800
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: she mentions this on her episode. It's it's Nelson Mandela

801
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: quoting someone else. But it just leads to like, who

802
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: are we to like demur lights.

803
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: Or like I know exactly what you're talking right now

804
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 3: that and.

805
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: So I'm more hyper aware of am I serving a purpose?

806
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: You know?

807
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: Because number one, this is rare air for people in

808
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 2: the hip hop community, because once you get twenty, your

809
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: first your primary shot when you're twenty is you want

810
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: to avoid getting shot dying. And trust me, when you're

811
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: between twenty and thirty, especially when I turned thirty, it

812
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: was like I made it. You know, everyone else else

813
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: was twenty four, twenty seven dying. And it's not exclusive

814
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: to hip hop either, like you know, it's just kind

815
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: of expected.

816
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: And then it's like, oh, I made it.

817
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: And then I realized that the second test was even

818
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: harder than not getting shot, which is health. You know,

819
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: should I be Should we be eating this burger at

820
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: three in the morning?

821
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: Guys? Should we?

822
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 2: You know, like we're now aware of that part. And

823
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 2: now the last go round is just the mental health

824
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 2: of it all. Oh yeah, I've had in the last

825
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: year alone, and you know, I wonder is there a

826
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: pandemic happening that I'm not aware of.

827
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: I'll say for me, in.

828
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 4: The last eight months, I've lost eleven friends to stage

829
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 4: four cancer.

830
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: Oh, my God.

831
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: Like even the day that I found out DiAngelo had cancer,

832
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: D'Angelo was the six person in a twenty four hour

833
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: period that broke the news to me.

834
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: And even then it was.

835
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: Like in humor because five other people have broke the

836
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: news to me, like earlier that day, and speaking to

837
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: him late at night and it was like, what do we.

838
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: What'd you gotta say?

839
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: And I was like, gosh, just just don't say stage

840
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: four cancer or whatever, and he was like, wait, who

841
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: told you?

842
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: And I'm like what?

843
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 2: And literally, but I also feel as though our everyday existence,

844
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: which is why I'm so vigilant and I'm not not

845
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 2: a routine or a process, but just being in the

846
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: mind stake, especially now where we could do doom scroll

847
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: and some days I do wake up and I do

848
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: doom scroll, I do oh.

849
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: God, we're going to die? Are we going to live?

850
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: People looking for me for the answers. Am I doing

851
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: enough with my platform? Should I be doing more? Should

852
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: I be doing more? Like all the anxiety builds up,

853
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: but I also know that that is the open door

854
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: to you, letting in diseases and all these things.

855
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's really well said.

856
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: Every decade there's a new challenge to overcome.

857
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 3: So I mean, right now, so you feel like you're

858
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 3: at the one. It's just like health and longevity.

859
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: Usually by this point people they'll choose religion, like of

860
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: my age, I'm supposed to now, like I'm gonna go

861
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 2: back to the church and become a preacher, or like

862
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: people choose religion, and you know, I mean, I feel

863
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 2: as though every practice has been tainted, religion, spiritual, like

864
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: all the areas have done. So right now I'm leaning

865
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: more towards the metaphysical side of things, which basically the

866
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: only difference I feel between the two is what religion

867
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: you are talking to God like he's Santa Claus and

868
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: I need this and I need that, And metaphysics is

869
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: just you sitting silent and listening for God the opposite.

870
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard the phrase that I believe it's

871
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: and it's not to think about God while you wash

872
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: the dishes. It's just to wash the dishes.

873
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: See.

874
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: Living in the present to me, is I believe that

875
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: that is the Okay? I speak of the twenty twenty

876
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 2: pandemic period as a point in time, at the time

877
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: when I was living in it, you would have I

878
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: would have thought it was the apocalypse?

879
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 3: Yeah sure, right, yeah, Oh my.

880
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: God, who died this week? Who died this week?

881
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 5: You know?

882
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: Am I going to live? You know?

883
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: And then but the more growth I did, I started

884
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 2: feeling guilty because I'm like, damn, it was twenty twenty,

885
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: like the good old days, Like why am I now

886
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: having fond memories of all the growth I did in

887
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty and whatnot?

888
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 3: Also, as an aside, can you believe it was six

889
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 3: years ago?

890
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: I can it it's now turning the fond memories for

891
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: some reason, even though it was the darkest time, Like

892
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 2: I did.

893
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: The most growth and the most change and all that stuff.

894
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: So now when.

895
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: Kind of after the election cycle of twenty twenty four,

896
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, so I've been telling people that

897
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: the pandemics where you did the most growth. And then

898
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: I'll admit the second we all went outside and things

899
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: were normal, and suddenly I started slacking off a little bit,

900
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: and like just a little bit, by a little bit,

901
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: without even knowing it, I found myself in the territory

902
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: of like, oh, now that I'm safe, like I'm back

903
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: to square one again. And I saw where we are

904
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: right now as a way to almost like around two,

905
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: around two of growth and the lesson I'm learning this time.

906
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: I figured the only way to survive where we are

907
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: right now is literally just one day at a time.

908
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: And this is coming from a person who's a meticulous planner. Okay,

909
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: and all, guess I'll do this and then April of

910
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight, I'll do this, And really it's literally

911
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: me just waking up.

912
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 3: And this is why you're asking about the present moment.

913
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: And you said at the beginning, you know, I was

914
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: talking about a thing about purpose, which is instead of

915
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 3: you know, planning it forward, just being in it now. Yes,

916
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 3: on a very literal, practical day to day. I think

917
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 3: if we don't just take it one day at a time,

918
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 3: like to me, that's where your mental health really can

919
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 3: slip the hardest. And but I think that's something to

920
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 3: carry with us always though, of just one thing and

921
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 3: one day at a time and to find that like

922
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 3: stable center as best you can. But the purpose piece

923
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 3: that you're asking about initially, so I think it can

924
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 3: be more comforting to try to, you know, plan the

925
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: next five years, ten years, fifteen years. And I'm a

926
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 3: planner too, like I like that. I feel you know,

927
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: I feel the most in control when it's like, well,

928
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: I know, you know, I've accounted for all the variables.

929
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: I know exactly what we're building or creating. I know

930
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 3: exactly or I want to be in two point five years.

931
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: And that's you know, the end of the story. But

932
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: there are things you don't know. You don't know. There

933
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: are things I've been saying this for a million years

934
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 3: that are so good you wouldn't even know to ask

935
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: for them. And all any of us can really work

936
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 3: with is what is right here in this moment. And

937
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 3: I think that when we can do, you know, everything

938
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 3: we can with everything we have, I feel like it

939
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 3: opens doors to places we wouldn't even know that we

940
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 3: wanted to go. And the now is something I've written

941
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 3: about for like ten years and been interested in if

942
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 3: for that long, in that I wonder if you know,

943
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 3: all of these thoughts that we have, whether it's about

944
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 3: our past or our future, it's like, but all of

945
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: that's kind of happening, you know, in the now, And

946
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 3: our relationship to the now is kind of really our

947
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 3: relationship to our whole life. It only ever is now,

948
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 3: Like we always think, like, oh, when I get to

949
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 3: this thing, then I'll feel settled and more successful when

950
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: I have this, when I do this, and it's like,

951
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 3: but when you get there, even there is still the now.

952
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 3: It's just it's just ben't evolved, adapted different now, but

953
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 3: it's still that same relationship. And I think that it

954
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 3: requires a lot of inner work and grounding to just

955
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: surrender to the now and be in the now and

956
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 3: work with the now. And it's something that I have

957
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 3: to work on every day. Yeah, so it sounds like

958
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: I'm making it sound like, oh, yeah, I know, just.

959
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 7: Do that, but it's not, though, Well it's so easy

960
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 7: just saying and I think we mentioned this earlier, like

961
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 7: you know, I was raised by my dad was definitely

962
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 7: you know, like the performative work hard, grind your knuckles bleed, you.

963
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: Know, do all you can to achieve and get to

964
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: the top. Only for me to find out that no,

965
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: actually the opposite is true. Do nothing, you know literally

966
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: it's do nothing and show up, which it's like, where's

967
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: the glory I met? And so especially now like I'm

968
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: excelling and things that I didn't plan on it, Like

969
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: I didn't posters on my wall of a camera or

970
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 2: any of these things. I'm doing now, so it just

971
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: all feels so sometimes I do get mad at the

972
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 2: universe and I'm just like, dude, Like if you put

973
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 2: me in an environment as a two year old with

974
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: five thousand records and I studied these things meticulously and

975
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 2: me and my best friend started a band in high

976
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 2: school like dog, why can't I have the results of

977
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: what I wanted my music career to be? Like of

978
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: everything I do, my music career is sort of like

979
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 2: it's not a ticket or leave it thing.

980
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad I'm in a space now where.

981
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: I'm not like depending on this album must be like

982
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: the anxiety I was living under ask quest love, member

983
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: of the roots year after year. This album must be

984
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 2: critically acclaimed. This album must data to sustain us to

985
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: you know, and now to be in a place where

986
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 2: I haven't released an album in eleven years and I'm

987
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: still here and thriving even more so.

988
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: To me, it's also like my ego is a little

989
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: bruise that wow, seem.

990
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 2: To have all the magic for all these other areas

991
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 2: in my life, but the one space where I really

992
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: want it, but I know there's a reason for it.

993
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: But also I'm demanding this new album is what I

994
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 2: think it is in my head.

995
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 3: Yes, you said something before, I'm missing the language. Now

996
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 3: you said to let go and just show up.

997
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: What did you say, literally just to go for meticulous planning.

998
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know often I'll say in the last

999
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 2: five years, my father's voice is the voice in my head,

1000
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: the way the way that Morpheus guides in the matrix,

1001
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: like you know, make.

1002
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 1: A left in the duck down, Like that's my dad's voice.

1003
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 2: And his thing is basically shut up and just show up,

1004
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: like don't you don't have to plan anything. And it's

1005
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 2: so hard for me to not do research or on

1006
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 2: research and meta research and research on that and research

1007
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 2: and the footnotes and the footnotes of research and all you.

1008
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: Know again my brain.

1009
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 3: What I wanted to add to that was more has

1010
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 3: happened for me positively in my life just by showing up,

1011
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: just showing up and not And for me, it's this

1012
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: mental game of like am I good enough to be here?

1013
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 3: Do I just just show up? And how much that

1014
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: has changed and also how much people value that and

1015
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 3: just knowing that that's that's more than enough. And I

1016
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: was just intrigued by you saying that, you know, instead

1017
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 3: of that, like that constant forward motion, that constant like

1018
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 3: effort and strive to let go and to just be

1019
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: and show up and then you know this flourishing that

1020
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 3: you've seen in your life that makes sense to me.

1021
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 3: It also inspires me.

1022
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm getting a coached right now for

1023
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: trillions of people. I have so many other questions.

1024
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 3: She's ever gonna ask on my favorite cereal?

1025
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: I was going to get to the front now now

1026
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 2: now we did this, We're like one second away from

1027
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 2: doing this to now.

1028
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: So what was the first record you ever got?

1029
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I ask what TV show best describes what

1030
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: your childhood was like?

1031
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: What an amazing question?

1032
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: I told you.

1033
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you stuff that no one ever bothers

1034
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 2: as ever.

1035
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's ever come up with that for

1036
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 3: what TV show is most like my childhood? Can it

1037
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 3: be a cartoon?

1038
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1039
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 3: As told by Ginger.

1040
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: As told by Ginger, What is that?

1041
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 3: I love that? This is the third time I.

1042
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: Love you know. I feel like such a fraud right now.

1043
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 3: You know what, you know, you're all on my Kate,

1044
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 3: You're on my case about not knowing things.

1045
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 1: She's getting her revenge, right now.

1046
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 3: As told by Ginger, it's it was like the curly hair.

1047
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 2: And I will research this. Wow, you got me three

1048
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 2: times already. This is like I feel like by the

1049
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 2: time we're.

1050
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 3: Done, I know, I feel actually good about this. Right now,

1051
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 3: she she's going through her life. She's like a young

1052
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 3: girl and she really processes through her journal.

1053
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: And what year was this out?

1054
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 3: This must have been two thousands. I don't know when

1055
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 3: it went on, Macy Gray saying the theme song.

1056
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm familiar with the theme. I just never watched

1057
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: the thing.

1058
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: And also like I was, you're busy.

1059
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, I don't want to play it. Like you know,

1060
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: when I became an adult, I put away child.

1061
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 3: I understand.

1062
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 2: I watch animniacs every day like it's nothing. So it

1063
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: was actively still watching cartoons back then. What posters adorning

1064
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 2: your bedroom walls in your childhood home.

1065
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 3: Oh, I have a vivid memory of this Britney Spears. Oops,

1066
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 3: I did it again. Okay, the poster from that CD,

1067
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 3: and I had the CD and she's got like a

1068
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 3: it's like like like tassels hanging from a doorway or

1069
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 3: what would you call those?

1070
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: It's the white and gold and she's like she's.

1071
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 3: Almost like holding them open and they're standing in between.

1072
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: Ith.

1073
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 3: It was Brittany, What else did I have? But you know,

1074
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 3: that was like.

1075
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 6: A your post Disney was I well.

1076
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she's well, I guess so she nags

1077
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: Disney by then.

1078
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 3: I think that was the most memorable one. But I

1079
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 3: had a bunch of like random stuff in rotation that

1080
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 3: was notable.

1081
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: What is a talent that you possessed that we don't

1082
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: know about?

1083
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 3: Oh, I feel like I have to have one.

1084
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: That I possessed sour dough, bread making or archery, or.

1085
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 3: I do love to bake. I've made wedding cakes before

1086
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: for people.

1087
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: Wait, why would you subject yourself to that torture?

1088
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 2: Really, you just woke up one day it's like, I'm

1089
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: gonna make a wedding cake for someone.

1090
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 3: So they asked, and I baked a lot, and well,

1091
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 3: it's because you.

1092
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: Made a cake for a wedding or a wedding cake.

1093
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 3: We cake for a wedding, So a wedding, you know, interchangeable.

1094
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 3: But wedding cakes are really expensive and the ingredients really aren't.

1095
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: So it's just the physics of knowing, yeah, just.

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00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 3: Knowing how to stack them and then also kind of

1097
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 3: what like style you want?

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00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: How'd you learn how to make a wedding cake?

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00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 3: I just I just, I mean, I just knew how

1100
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 3: to bake, and I just kind of intuited of those like,

1101
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 3: well might just stack this and do that. Wait, that

1102
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 3: can't be the one. We ought to have another one.

1103
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 1: No, that's liver.

1104
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 3: You can call me actually for baking needs.

1105
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 7: Yo.

1106
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 2: I now I got to get to the altar and I'm.

1107
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: Going to make you make you make my wedding.

1108
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 3: Cake just for the sake of it.

1109
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: At this point, you got to I just know, I see, like.

1110
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 3: At least a cupcake or something.

1111
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: Yes, no, you're not getting out of this.

1112
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: You're wed.

1113
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: I'll do the full thing with the figures on top

1114
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: of it.

1115
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1116
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: And was it execute it perfectly?

1117
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 3: I mean it was pretty solid. Obviously, it was like

1118
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 3: you know, you're I was so stressed. I was like

1119
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 3: hoping it was perfect. You know, it's like a big

1120
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 3: moment for people, But it was at the time it

1121
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 3: was kind of this like you would like take this

1122
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 3: decorating I don't even know what you call it panel

1123
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 3: and just kind of like move across that. It was

1124
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 3: almost kind of like like a light frosting, so it

1125
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 3: almost gonna look like rustic and there was like a

1126
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 3: flower on top. So I don't know what kind of

1127
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 3: wedding cake style you're going for, but send me some

1128
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 3: insfel pictures and get to work.

1129
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: All right, what was the worst grade you've ever gotten?

1130
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 3: Well, this is a good story. I cannot believe in

1131
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 3: telling everyone this, but it's time. I failed chemistry, okay,

1132
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 3: and then I grew up in New York, so we

1133
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 3: have regents. So I failed the chemistry regents and then

1134
00:57:58,520 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: studied because they do them at the end of the

1135
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 3: seer as well, they don't just do them once a year,

1136
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 3: and studied all summer night a tutor.

1137
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: You had to go to summer school.

1138
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 3: Basically, and then well it's like a I don't know

1139
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 3: if it was like official summer school, but like, but anyway,

1140
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 3: this is the point is I took it again and

1141
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 3: then failed it worse. And you know that it's bad

1142
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 3: because my mom called for the grade, and you like,

1143
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 3: you know, it is really bad. When she was like

1144
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 3: she wasn't even mad, she just was like took so

1145
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 3: much pity on me. She was like she like heard

1146
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 3: the grade. She was like, Okay, she was like, you

1147
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 3: know what, it's going to be okay. Like she wasn't

1148
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 3: even upset, she was just more going into it, like

1149
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 3: you know what. She's like, We're going to figure this out.

1150
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 3: And I was like what and I'm like crying and

1151
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 3: she's like, you know what, don't even it's okay, it's okay. Like,

1152
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 3: but when when your parent is going into a place

1153
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: of like just feeling bad for you at this point,

1154
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 3: like you know, it's it's not good.

1155
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 2: Man, I know, I know mine is sound like wow,

1156
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: that's awesome. I love that story.

1157
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 3: She's a teacher, so you know, she's she took pity

1158
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 3: on my life.

1159
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: I get it.

1160
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 2: No, that's that's actually the ideal reaction that I would

1161
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 2: take that. Sorry, I believe you, and I envy you

1162
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: right now. I did not have those results in my

1163
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: version of that. Do you have a cry song?

1164
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 3: Oh?

1165
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: Oh? Many song plays and you instantly cry?

1166
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 3: I know I do so many. Probably Celine Dion, actually

1167
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 3: Celine Dion in person. I want to go see her

1168
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 3: live years.

1169
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: Ago her residency and she must have.

1170
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 3: Been touring because I think it was in Philly. I

1171
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 3: cried from the minute she walked on stage till the

1172
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 3: minute she walked off the whole time?

1173
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: What was it about her? Heard?

1174
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 3: I feel this way about anyone doing what they were

1175
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 3: so meant to do, and you can just tell got

1176
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,919
Speaker 3: it And even if it's not, you know, she's intense.

1177
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: When she performs, she gets into it, you're just.

1178
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 3: Like taking it. And the level of energy, magic, magic

1179
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 3: she had was, I mean, it was amazing.

1180
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: She came to the tonight show and just as a

1181
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: couch guest, like she's hands down the most intense couch guests,

1182
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: like her interviews are not it's like something inside her

1183
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 2: that is yes, I I Celine Dion's probably the confirmation

1184
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 2: I think back then I was wrestling with the thought

1185
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: of like pleadians or are there other spirits living inside

1186
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 2: these shells that we call like I don't believe that

1187
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 2: we're all from the same milk. I feel like these

1188
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 2: are expandable bodies that people that want to visit Earth.

1189
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 2: So I believe you're one of those people too. But

1190
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 2: you know, what's the last concert you ever attended?

1191
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 3: What was the last show we're up? Do you like

1192
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 3: you have to outsource all these answer about my own life?

1193
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: Yes?

1194
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 3: Japanese Japanese Breakfast that's right.

1195
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: What was the first council you ever attended? Oh?

1196
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 3: I remember this because I was really old. I was

1197
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 3: like twenty five when I went to my first.

1198
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: Wait did we have this conversation before?

1199
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 3: No, we're having it now.

1200
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: Wait.

1201
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I had written, well, hold on, I had

1202
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 3: written books before i'd been to a concert.

1203
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: I think when we were sitting down plane, do you

1204
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: know I think I knew this about you? What was

1205
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: your first concert?

1206
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 3: It was Lord and Run the Jewels, which wow, right

1207
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 3: to like start out there? What you just never but

1208
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 3: you're from Philly and or from Long Island?

1209
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 2: But wait, do you have an accent? Do you have

1210
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: a Long Island accent? Even you say it?

1211
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 3: Man, I was like, wait, no, this confuses people as well.

1212
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 3: No I don't. My dad is from upstate New York,

1213
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 3: and so my siblings and I kind of speak a

1214
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 3: little bit more like him, I would say. And then

1215
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,439
Speaker 3: and then I've also, I mean, I think I kind

1216
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 3: of ever had it. But then also I lived in

1217
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 3: what you're thinking of, Philly, and I lived in Pennsylvania

1218
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 3: or pretty much you hold all life until like end

1219
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 3: in my late twenties, so then it kind of was

1220
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 3: really gone by that and now I'm California, so it's

1221
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 3: really gone. But that's why I think that. So, but no,

1222
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 3: it was Lord and Reni Jeal's. And another cry time

1223
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 3: is when she the end of that show, she played

1224
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 3: green Light was her closing song, right, and just everyone

1225
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 3: was up on their feet and it was like this

1226
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 3: really transcendent moment and I started crying.

1227
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: So what was your thoughts when you went to your

1228
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: first concert? Like? Wow?

1229
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, it was almost like I was

1230
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 3: never going to tell anyone that this was the first time,

1231
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Well, it's you deserve to

1232
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 3: laugh at me.

1233
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: I know.

1234
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm just I'm laughing at you, depriving yourself

1235
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 2: of just that. Philly, Were you ever a club kid?

1236
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 2: Like have you heard music in public before?

1237
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: Not your car, not your headphones?

1238
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yes, but like that was my first like

1239
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 3: true like stadium like experience, like full concert experience was

1240
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 3: that time. But yes, I had heard music before that.

1241
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 3: And then maybe shortly after, I went to the Jones

1242
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 3: Beach Amphitheater and I saw the Google Dolls and that

1243
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 3: really is oh god.

1244
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're learning the time now where Iris is

1245
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:26,439
Speaker 2: being played every twelve seconds or social media, and it's

1246
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 2: almost when I hear the intro guitar thing is such

1247
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 2: a jarring.

1248
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know.

1249
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 2: No more what three people, or with three professionals in

1250
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 2: this industry, are you the most shocked at that are

1251
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 2: aware of your work or have your book?

1252
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 3: Rick Rubin is up there?

1253
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: Really?

1254
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 3: Yes?

1255
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: Okay?

1256
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 3: Selena Gomez, Ah, yes, okay, okay, she read one hundred

1257
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 3: mon essays and was talking about it.

1258
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: I was like, how wait are you still shocking?

1259
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 3: I actually want to circle. I'm actually floored to this day. Really, yes,

1260
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 3: I would add you to the list.

1261
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: No not, oh okay, you and everyone.

1262
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 3: All the jojo everyone floored by everyone.

1263
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: What was your life before?

1264
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you've been writing since your first book came

1265
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 2: out in twenty a long time.

1266
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 3: Like so I started writing when I was like nineteen,

1267
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 3: twenty years old, so it's it's been a long time.

1268
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1269
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 2: So for you, would you say that Mountain was the

1270
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 2: book that we're all came together or was there one

1271
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 2: hundred and one?

1272
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 3: Like for you, I guess technically one on one Essays

1273
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 3: was the one that kind of maybe got had more readers.

1274
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 3: You know what I mean that was kind of the one.

1275
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 3: But then this Mountains You. Yeah, I think that's with

1276
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 3: the click moment. But also it was the click moment

1277
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 3: for me, Like writing that book in particular was like like,

1278
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 3: even if no one had read it, just writing it

1279
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 3: was one of the most unbelievable experiences of my life,

1280
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 3: like truly just internally, you know, going through the whole thing.

1281
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 3: So I like to think at some level, like the

1282
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 3: readers feel that as well, and so I think that's

1283
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 3: part of the click. But you know, the factor here

1284
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 3: is that this was so many years in. I mean

1285
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 3: when of my essays came out actually ten years ago

1286
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 3: this year, but it was six seven, eight years before

1287
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 3: you know, anyone who really even knew about it, and

1288
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 3: I would imagine many people still don't.

1289
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: But like the thing was the pandemic effect of.

1290
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 3: People like wanting to sit down and read. Yeah, kind

1291
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 3: of I do.

1292
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: Also, I think that's the year that we all said, ay,

1293
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: now's the time to do some yes.

1294
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 3: Yes, and that was yes, and that Mountain As You

1295
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 3: came out in twenty twenty, and I remember, you know,

1296
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 3: at that time, feeling like wow, like this is the

1297
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 3: biggest flop and failure of my career, maybe life, like

1298
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 3: thinking this couldn't have been worse time, right, And I

1299
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 3: just kind of I actually kind of just like gave

1300
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 3: up on everything for a period of time where I.

1301
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 7: Was just like, I know, you thought it was just

1302
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 7: the pebble with no ripple effect I did.

1303
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 3: I was just like, there, I don't even care about

1304
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 3: this right now, like this is I guess here it is,

1305
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 3: like I just we well, And then there were logistic

1306
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 3: things that were like you couldn't you couldn't or you

1307
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 3: couldn't write. So there were logistic parts of you know,

1308
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 3: you know, we'd been working on this for so long

1309
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 3: and then it was just it was just wiped. But

1310
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 3: then beyond that, even just internally for me, I was

1311
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 3: like I couldn't whatever. So I was in my own

1312
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 3: head I was kind of like, well, you know, maybe

1313
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 3: in the future we could do like a realie I'm

1314
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 3: trying to kind of figure out ways to like doctorate.

1315
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 3: And years later, I cannot tell you how many people

1316
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,919
Speaker 3: have said to me like, whether it was then, whether

1317
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 3: it was three years, whatever, it was that book found

1318
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 3: me at just the right time.

1319
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 2: So were you aware that, wait a minute, this isn't

1320
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 2: a flop, This is actually turning out to be.

1321
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 3: Probably a year or two later, or two year or

1322
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 3: two late.

1323
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: Not immediate.

1324
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 2: No, oh dude, I know for a fact, I've read

1325
01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: that book maybe seven times before I even thought, oh,

1326
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 2: let me buy it for other people.

1327
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 3: Like I just thought it that's reassuring. But no, it took.

1328
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 3: It took me a while to be like, okay, no,

1329
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 3: this is you know, well, it reformed the way that

1330
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 3: I think about releasing, which is and this is important

1331
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 3: for my process as well, which is so the same

1332
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 3: thing with One on one Essays, which it's like I

1333
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 3: would imagine there are parallels and music here too, which

1334
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 3: is what happens initially. That's kind of how you measure

1335
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 3: the whole thing. It's like, you know, how much of

1336
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 3: a success is it right away? And that's never been

1337
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 3: my story, and that's never been the case with any

1338
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 3: of my books. I mean, One of One Essays took

1339
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 3: maybe seven eight years, I don't know the exact day,

1340
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 3: but like many many years before I kind of hit

1341
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 3: as Malcolm Gladman, we'll call it tipping point, right, And

1342
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 3: so in all that time, it was just kind of

1343
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 3: you know, a build. It was just kind of like

1344
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 3: one reader's passing it to the next and I'm pretty

1345
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 3: content with that. But then over time I've come to

1346
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 3: find that, like they kind of find people right when

1347
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 3: they're ready for them or wanting of them, and my

1348
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 3: timing isn't as important as just getting it out in

1349
01:07:57,560 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 3: the world and then it kind of makes its way.

1350
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 2: Okay, I would like to know what is your actual

1351
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 2: creative process. I know for comedians, many comedian I know

1352
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 2: has colored post it notes on their walls. Chappelle always

1353
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 2: starts with the punchline.

1354
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: You know, and then I ran him over with my car.

1355
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 2: He starts with the punchline and then throughout his day

1356
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 2: he'll figure out how to get from point A to

1357
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 2: point B that will make this hilarious. And you know,

1358
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 2: for me, I'll have a song idea, but I know

1359
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 2: it might be for this record or it could be

1360
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 2: for this next record. For you, though, like is it

1361
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 2: just one specific subject that you want to write about

1362
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 2: and you get it out.

1363
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: Or is it just a whole Are you just.

1364
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 2: Kind of in this beautiful mind state now where all

1365
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 2: these ideas come to you and you just figure it

1366
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 2: out later how to piece it together. And when do

1367
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 2: you know a project is done, this is the book.

1368
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 3: It depends. So there's pieces that I will write or

1369
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 3: have written, and where you know, they don't necessarily belong

1370
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 3: to a book, or they're not for anything bigger. It's

1371
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 3: just a few paragraphs or a thought. And whenever that comes,

1372
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 3: I just kind of let it come, you know, if

1373
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 3: I kind of like move by this principle of if

1374
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 3: I have to pull over the car for a second

1375
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 3: and jott it down so I don't lose it, I do.

1376
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 3: I just kind of honor, you know, when it comes in,

1377
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 3: and I can't always control it, but I can always control,

1378
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 3: you know, like the muscle that I'm working. So if

1379
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 3: I can wake up and just practice writing review things.

1380
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 3: But that real like strike of like inspiration, when that

1381
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 3: comes through, you know, that comes when it comes, and

1382
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 3: so I just try to honor that. Now, for books

1383
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 3: like one of an Essays and like a few of

1384
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 3: my other books, even a lot of the Pivotgeer, I

1385
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 3: would say that that was pieced together all of these

1386
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 3: little moments that had happened over time, and I didn't

1387
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 3: even know. I had no idea really anything in one

1388
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 3: of an Essays would be a book until way later,

1389
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 3: until we thought oh, it would be a good idea.

1390
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 3: And so then a book like The Mountains You though,

1391
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 3: is a totally different thing, where I started with just

1392
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 3: a really clear vision and idea, and first of all,

1393
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 3: the concept I was just so intrigued by and so

1394
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 3: entrenched in if I could even use that word myself,

1395
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 3: and so like just perplexed by how counterintuitive it is,

1396
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 3: and also how every single person I knew and had

1397
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 3: ever known was also doing it, and when we would

1398
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 3: talk about it, they'd be like, oh, yeah, it was

1399
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,919
Speaker 3: just like this instant resonance. So I was so passionate

1400
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 3: about it. But the idea for that book came in

1401
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 3: kind of like all at once, and I knew the title,

1402
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 3: and I had an idea in my head for the cover,

1403
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 3: and it was really really like like I could almost

1404
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 3: close my eyes and like hold my hands out and

1405
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 3: know what it like, what it was to feel like.

1406
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 3: And I remember I have this memory with my book

1407
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:43,560
Speaker 3: designer that when we were finalizing things, the final final

1408
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 3: of the cover, it was like thirty six or thirty

1409
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 3: seven you know, versions, because I just kept making her

1410
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,600
Speaker 3: move that little mountain over like one Pika. I was

1411
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,600
Speaker 3: like just a little more than I still don't know

1412
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 3: if it's fully even actually as I glance over it,

1413
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 3: you know you still have notes still might But in

1414
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,799
Speaker 3: that process, she said something to me very intriguing, which

1415
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 3: is definitely like par for the course of this aspect

1416
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 3: of the process. She said, when you speak about this,

1417
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 3: you're not saying I like this or I don't like this.

1418
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 3: You're saying like, no, it should be here, or this

1419
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 3: is or isn't right, almost as though you feel like

1420
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 3: it already exists, and I'm just trying to make like

1421
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 3: almost a fact simile of what you already know is there.

1422
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 3: I said, No, that's exactly what it feels like to

1423
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 3: me in this case.

1424
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 2: Wow, I gotta try that process sometimes, Like that's that's interesting.

1425
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 1: Are you a karaoke person? I can be what should

1426
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: go to karaoke? Song?

1427
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 3: Well? How many drinks? Oh my gosh, but I'm blanking,

1428
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 3: but it's my only song I can sing. Yes, you

1429
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 3: know it? Give me one reason.

1430
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: Oh by Tracy Chapman.

1431
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, it was like by Luther Vandres.

1432
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 3: I hardly knew you, okay, okay, but even that though,

1433
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,480
Speaker 3: like you got to get me in a really specific

1434
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 3: headspace to even make that happen.

1435
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 2: There's a funny story about when I was working on

1436
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 2: the SNL doc, Like, Tracy's one of the most She's

1437
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 2: a true artist and she goes on mood and feeling

1438
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 2: and all those things, and so Saturday Night Live has

1439
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 2: been dying to have her like on the show.

1440
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 1: This is like back in eighty eight eighty nine.

1441
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 2: So what happens is, you know, of course, it's like, hey,

1442
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 2: Tracy Chapman, all right, what's first segment?

1443
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: Fast Car? Right, She's like, no, I don't want to

1444
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: do that, like she was in her face.

1445
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 2: Nirvana did it too, where they just got tired of

1446
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 2: doing smells like teen spirits, so they stopped doing it.

1447
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 2: So there was like a big controversy and the fact

1448
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 2: that she was just tired of doing Fast Car. You know,

1449
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 2: it's been like a year out and so she's like,

1450
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 2: I will only come to the show if you know,

1451
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: I want to do a new song. They're like, no, dude,

1452
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 2: like do your hit or whatever. So you know, it

1453
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 2: didn't happen. And then one day they needed an artist

1454
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 2: and they wanted Tracy Chapman, and so she comes on

1455
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 2: and this is like I think an eighty nine or

1456
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 2: ninety and she does a new song that no one's

1457
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 2: ever hed before. It was give me the reason, which

1458
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 2: at the time she's doing this like six years before

1459
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 2: she will actually release it. So I just remember like

1460
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 2: the attitudes of the staff was like kind of disappointment,

1461
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 2: like why she squandered such a moment.

1462
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,719
Speaker 3: I think you would also be tickled to learn that.

1463
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,879
Speaker 3: I say this all the time when I'm like posting

1464
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 3: writing or visiting writing, people like to kind of hear

1465
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 3: the hits, the greatest hits a lot, like more than

1466
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 3: you would think. So I kind of for years always

1467
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 3: went but like had this idea in my head of like, oh,

1468
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 3: I always need new material, and then I found that

1469
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 3: to really not be the case, that they were almost

1470
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 3: preferring to hear what they love and know. And I

1471
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 3: always say to Bianca, when it's time, I'm like, it's

1472
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 3: time to play slide or the Googoo dolls, it's time

1473
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 3: to play slide. When it's time to post your new

1474
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 3: life would cost your old one page, no iris, it's

1475
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 3: time to slide.

1476
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 2: But for you in the space, Okay, So for me

1477
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 2: with music, I can write about music, I can release

1478
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 2: an album, I can do a movie. There's there's so

1479
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 2: many avenues I can do and move around it. But

1480
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:47,839
Speaker 2: for you, are there other areas of writing that you're interested?

1481
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 2: Like do you have an inner uh nor efron inside you?

1482
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 2: Are you thinking about screenplays?

1483
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: Are you? Yeah?

1484
01:14:55,160 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 2: But I think creativities you can almost trans for it.

1485
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 2: Like right now on my comfort zone is music docs. Yeah, yeah,

1486
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 2: that I like the back of my hand. So there's

1487
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 2: still a carrot on a stick kind of thing where

1488
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 2: people are like, hey, why don't you try this this

1489
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 2: animated series, or let's do this music biopic, like let's

1490
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 2: get out of the doc er. And it's frightening for

1491
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 2: me because I just planted my feed here and I'm like, okay,

1492
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 2: you're six now, I'm really ready for it, and you

1493
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 2: want me to pivot on. But for you, what would

1494
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 2: that equivalent be? Like do you could you do fiction

1495
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 2: your own series or childhood books or any of those things.

1496
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 3: I've had an idea for a fiction book that's like

1497
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 3: based on the true story of my life for a

1498
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 3: long time, and it's always been a dream to write

1499
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 3: a children's book. And you know, I don't even want

1500
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 3: to compare it to this because if I ever do it,

1501
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 3: one day, I don't. It will never be as good

1502
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 3: as this, But I would love to write something like

1503
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 3: the Giving Tree, something.

1504
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 2: Manifuct yourself, it'll be better than the Giving Tree that

1505
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 2: seems to be.

1506
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 3: Able to pull quote for this episode those perfect yourself.

1507
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 3: I appreciate the course correction. I aspire for it to

1508
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,719
Speaker 3: give people that same experience where if maybe you're a parent,

1509
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,799
Speaker 3: you're reading it to a child, you yourself are sitting

1510
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 3: with it and kind of being like all right, wow,

1511
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 3: like there's almost something in it for me as well,

1512
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 3: or something is being explained. There's another children's book of

1513
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 3: what do you Do with an Idea? Which I thought

1514
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 3: was just a phenomenal concept, and I wish I had

1515
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 3: come up with it. So things like that, and I,

1516
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 3: you know, I feel this chapter of my life, these

1517
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 3: types of books, books, excuse me, have felt complete for

1518
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,879
Speaker 3: a little bit. Now. My last book was Great Callings,

1519
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 3: and that felt like I've been playing with that for

1520
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 3: so long, and then it kind of felt like the

1521
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 3: copstone of like a like a series if I could

1522
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 3: call that. And so I do feel a sense of

1523
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 3: completion with it, like I feel like I said what

1524
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 3: I wanted to say, and now I definitely am in

1525
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 3: a place where I'm interested and I feel right I do,

1526
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 3: and songwriting would be a dream.

1527
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:18,959
Speaker 1: Nice.

1528
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 2: So when you turn in your book, when it's all

1529
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 2: said and done, close the chapter, what's the process that

1530
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 2: happens next to you once you let the book go

1531
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 2: and there's no more writing, Like, can you, and I

1532
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:41,879
Speaker 2: mean metaphorically, can you be still? I feel very empty?

1533
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 2: Sometimes I actually might cry after and I don't mean

1534
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 2: like an emotional thing, like literally, you just have to

1535
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 2: let something go out of you, Like is what is

1536
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 2: the feeling you feel when you regurgitated and get it

1537
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 2: all out of you?

1538
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 3: Relief piece? You asked a question similar before that I

1539
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 3: forgot to answer, and you said, well, how do you

1540
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 3: know when a book is done? Or how do you

1541
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 3: know when it's ready to be a book? And my

1542
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 3: answer to both of these is similar. It's like a

1543
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 3: little wild, but it's genuine and if there's like a

1544
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 3: creative person out there listening, and if you take this

1545
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 3: back into your own life, it'll be worth it. I

1546
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 3: have to get to a place with it where you

1547
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 3: couldn't convince me it's bad. That's how I know.

1548
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: It's ready really, So you have to feel it.

1549
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it can't be other people telling me that

1550
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 3: it's great. I have to know that it is, and

1551
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 3: I have to feel that I did the absolute best

1552
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 3: that I could possibly do.

1553
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: What's your version of a demo?

1554
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:41,799
Speaker 3: Like a draft?

1555
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm scared shitless, Like anytime I submit a

1556
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 2: song to the roots, like what do you think? Like

1557
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 2: I'm already having excuses like okay, this is the rough

1558
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 2: mix and my voice sounds bad. I'm just giving you

1559
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 2: the general idea, and there's like shut up in mere

1560
01:18:58,640 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 2: play this song.

1561
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 3: You know, that's the beginning of like here's the concept

1562
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 3: or like well, okay, so you're asking too about you know,

1563
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 3: like the the creative process, like the technical process of

1564
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,799
Speaker 3: when you're putting, you know, putting that book together in particularly,

1565
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 3: so it's kind of like an umbrella it down where

1566
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 3: it's like I have the overall concept of what I

1567
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 3: know I'm trying to get across, and then I break

1568
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 3: it down to the chapters. So it's like right here,

1569
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 3: my here are my sub points, you know, like here's

1570
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 3: here's the next thing I want to get into. And

1571
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 3: I break it down that way so it can be

1572
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 3: even because otherwise I find if I free write it.

1573
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 3: I front load everything in the first chapter, and then

1574
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 3: by the end it's I've got nothing left.

1575
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 2: Who do you trust to be your sounding board? Like

1576
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:38,560
Speaker 2: who talks you off the ledge?

1577
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 3: My fiance, I'm my best friend. But it depends also

1578
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 3: on what part of the process we're at, because there's

1579
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 3: different people. I go to four different things, So it's

1580
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 3: like if it's the concept or the idea, and it's

1581
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 3: we're going back and forth so that if I need

1582
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 3: a sounding board for that, sure, But then once it

1583
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 3: gets a little bit farther along, I'm usually asking more

1584
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 3: technical questions like is this well, where does this make sense?

1585
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 3: Or does this need to be clearer? So it kind

1586
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 3: of evolves for me. But I when that final you know,

1587
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 3: I've talked about this before, But when I got to

1588
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 3: the end of writing the Mountain, as you and I

1589
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 3: wrote those last lines, that is the point of the Mountain.

1590
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:16,839
Speaker 3: I mean, I really mean it. That was a feeling

1591
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 3: like I've never had before in my life, and I

1592
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 3: don't know if I will ever have it again, because

1593
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 3: it was just truly such a process to get there.

1594
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 3: But it was like beauty. It was like awe, it

1595
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 3: was like relief. It was like surrender. It was almost

1596
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 3: like it's not even it's not even a security or

1597
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 3: certainty of you know, everyone will think this is amazing.

1598
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 3: It's that's not even in my head yet. It's just

1599
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 3: more I know that I did everything I could possibly

1600
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 3: do with this idea, like I feel like I did

1601
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 3: it justice. And then I have to get to the

1602
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 3: point where I feel that piece in me and then

1603
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 3: I kind of send it out with this intention, which

1604
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 3: I do find my books to listen to their instructions

1605
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 3: I give, which is you will find who needs it

1606
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 3: when they need it, and not a minute before and

1607
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 3: not a minute after, and who really needs it. And

1608
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 3: I all the people I've ever met are like it was.

1609
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 3: So people tell me all the time that the wild

1610
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 3: stories about how they're like it was exactly what I needed.

1611
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 3: But I was, you know, in my office and my

1612
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 3: coworker had it on the table and I was like, oh,

1613
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 3: what's that? Like these like strange roundabout ways that it

1614
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 3: comes to them.

1615
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 2: You say, I'm not laughing at you, You're literally just

1616
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:36,759
Speaker 2: remind You're literally reminded me this. This is the worst,

1617
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 2: all right, this is the worst a mere story I'm

1618
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:39,679
Speaker 2: telling of all time.

1619
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: There was one point.

1620
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 2: All right, I've heard on a few sitcoms or whatever,

1621
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 2: like a baby will be a good wingman or a.

1622
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:50,919
Speaker 1: Dog you know, you walk through the park.

1623
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: And you know, give me your number whatever. I remember

1624
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 2: you said that, and it just hit me. One day

1625
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 2: I was on a flight and the way that the

1626
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 2: seat was structured, and I was in like one of

1627
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 2: the first rooms like when you get on the thing,

1628
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 2: and I had this out sitting there, and literally like

1629
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:16,520
Speaker 2: seven people.

1630
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 1: Were like whoa, yoh, I love that book to oh

1631
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: my god, you read that book to this, and then

1632
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: all the mountain yes, And then all of a sudden

1633
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 1: this became like my and my confess.

1634
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 2: But literally yah, there was like a good two weeks

1635
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 2: when I was on tour where like yeah, I want

1636
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 2: to preport okay, yeah.

1637
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 1: Strategically.

1638
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:52,600
Speaker 3: See if they notice it, yo, but I tell you no.

1639
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 2: And then but the thing is is also on the

1640
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 2: other side of the cord, is I'm notoriously I'm now

1641
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 2: getting over my no small talk phase, Like seriously, my

1642
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 2: anxiety with small talk is world famous in my circles.

1643
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 2: And so then the wrong person small talk me to death.

1644
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 2: And I just wanted to sleep on the plane. So

1645
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 2: then I've retired the book and stay stayed inside my bag.

1646
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 2: All right, these are my last five questions very quick.

1647
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 3: Okay, rapid fire.

1648
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: Uh, this is sort of that, I hope. So what

1649
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 1: was your favorite year?

1650
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 3: Wow?

1651
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 1: Wow? Should I ask why? Or no?

1652
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 3: Is this rapid fire?

1653
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 1: But I just who's your least favorite year?

1654
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty? Which I guess doesn't but it really?

1655
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 1: Okay? Okay, what is the greatest cereal of all time?

1656
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 3: Cereal?

1657
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? What's the greatest cereal of all time?

1658
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:53,759
Speaker 3: Oh?

1659
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 5: Man?

1660
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 3: But I feel like I have bad tastes, so I

1661
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 3: feel like, but we're friends.

1662
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 1: Now, I won't judge you.

1663
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 3: No, I already feel it.

1664
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 1: I'm not judging you.

1665
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 3: No, I feel you're gonna have a reaction.

1666
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 1: Just don't say grape nuts. Go ahead, No, I.

1667
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 3: Wouldn't say that. I was gonna say Reese's Puffs. Puffs. Yeah, see, okay,

1668
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 3: never mind.

1669
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 1: I'm only saying this because.

1670
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 2: You know what, the shame that I feel about being

1671
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 2: late to Star Wars, I commit it to peanut butter

1672
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 2: Captain Crunch, which, if you look at it, Reese's Puffs

1673
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 2: and Peanut Butter Captain Crunch.

1674
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 3: Is sort of similar.

1675
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's an amalgamation of cocoa puffs and peanut

1676
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 2: butter and chocolate. I love Reese's, That's my favorite candy bar.

1677
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 2: But I'm very much stuck in the Captain Crunch world.

1678
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 2: And actually I found out that, uh, Post Cereal they

1679
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:57,440
Speaker 2: do a lot of their testing for Walmart, So Walmart's

1680
01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:01,799
Speaker 2: brand good Morning Cereal whatever I I cannot I cannot

1681
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 2: emphasize this strong enough that the Morning Cereals for Walmart

1682
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 2: some of the best cereals of all time, Like Posts

1683
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 2: will actually do a lot of their experiments.

1684
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 1: They'll do.

1685
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 2: Red velvet cake, like all these experimental Look, I belong

1686
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 2: to a cereal club.

1687
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 1: Why am I confessing like all these things? Do you?

1688
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,600
Speaker 1: But yes, it.

1689
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 3: Says Captain Crunch.

1690
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 2: Your answer, Captain Crunch would be my rider. No peanut butter,

1691
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 2: Captain Crunch, but could be mine? My rider died.

1692
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 3: I want to say, fruity Pebbles is up there too

1693
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 3: for me? Yeah, it's what it does to the milk after.

1694
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you're absolutely right.

1695
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 2: Shout out to April Broomfield of Milk for doing the

1696
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:47,719
Speaker 2: Cereal milk.

1697
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 1: What is your go to emoji?

1698
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 3: What is the emoji you use the most it's the

1699
01:25:55,600 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 3: laugh cry one that I.

1700
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: Straight up or sideways straight.

1701
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,560
Speaker 3: But everyone says that like age is you.

1702
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 1: Oh why if I use that, then I'm am into

1703
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:07,759
Speaker 1: the world and I'm over fifty.

1704
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you're supposed to do the one on the side.

1705
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,520
Speaker 1: I do the one on the side.

1706
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 3: You're right, okay, I do the laugh cry and then

1707
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 3: I would say that.

1708
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 1: The wait right now.

1709
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 3: Not well, not personally, but I've just like noticed, I

1710
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 3: feel like younger people use different ones that I do

1711
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 3: the laugh cry oh. And then he's saying that I

1712
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 3: do the like the sobbing one a lot, okay, And

1713
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 3: I use that interchangeably for I'm happy or like.

1714
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 1: Wow, black eyed sobbing.

1715
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 3: I just like the like tears streaming down. I use

1716
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 3: that one a lot, and then just like a I

1717
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 3: use it like a heart a lot.

1718
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll do this.

1719
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 3: One, you know, the hands, Yeah, I think those are

1720
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 3: my top content?

1721
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 5: Are you?

1722
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: Are you being a gen z shame right now?

1723
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I have a gen z shame.

1724
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:55,719
Speaker 2: That I'll share mine if you share yours. I didn't

1725
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 2: realize how old the concept of cash is.

1726
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 3: I don't think I think I'm learning right now.

1727
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 1: I mean I think I know, but this current generation.

1728
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 2: So when I'm at thirty Rock, I'll sometimes maybe instead

1729
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 2: of uber eating, I will just send an intern down

1730
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 2: to get me a slice of pizza in the basement

1731
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 2: and bring it up to my office at thirty Rock.

1732
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:22,839
Speaker 2: And this was such a case where I wanted a pizza,

1733
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 2: so I got my joorer, pulled my wallet out, and

1734
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 2: all I know is a week later, my niece who

1735
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 2: also interns there, kind of had a quiet intervention thing.

1736
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 2: But it's sort of like a yeah, so everyone in

1737
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 2: the office is talking about like you have this big

1738
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 2: giant wad of cash, and I'm like, what are they saying.

1739
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:54,719
Speaker 2: They're like, well, you know, they've just never seen money

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01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 2: like that before, and a wallet like do.

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01:27:58,439 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 1: You know what vemo is?

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01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 5: Know what like?

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01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 2: And up until that point, I'd never paid for anything

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01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:06,520
Speaker 2: on my iPhone.

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01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 3: You never used like Apple wallet.

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01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 2: So I got shame so bad that it was to

1747
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 2: the point where like I've called my girlfriend like, yo,

1748
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 2: I just paid for gas with my iPhone, like for

1749
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 2: the first Like it's such a such an achievement, Like

1750
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 2: they were joking about it. But when I tell you,

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01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 2: when I got home and the way they just laugh

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01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 2: at me for having a wallet with money in it.

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01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 2: It's like, like, I felt like, Boomer, what's your shame?

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01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 3: I think it's the emoji. Just using emojis was just

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01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 3: the laugh emoji that I choose. I feel like I

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01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 3: always them being like, oh, like millennials do that.

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01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 1: Oh, so I hate that feeling. I hate that feeling.

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01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 1: I admit something though.

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01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 2: I saw all a text that Miss Lauren Hill sent

1760
01:28:55,800 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 2: once and kind of chastised me for some and then

1761
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,799
Speaker 2: I say it on social media. But my only takeaway

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01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 2: of it was like, she knows what emoji's are.

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01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a wild episode. Do you collect anything?

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01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 1: What do you collect?

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01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 3: This is another wild one. Lay Labo City perfumes when

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01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:23,440
Speaker 3: I travel.

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01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,600
Speaker 1: Yo, there's so many things you've mentioned to me and

1769
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 1: pop culture that I've never heard of.

1770
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 3: Have I hit the ten mark yet?

1771
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 2: I feel like this is twenty. I feel like I

1772
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 2: do not deserve this show. It feels so exposed right now.

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01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 1: So what is this?

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01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 3: Okay, it's the perfume brand lay Laboka, But they have

1775
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 3: stores in different cities all around the world, and each

1776
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 3: city will have its own scent that you can only

1777
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:51,759
Speaker 3: get in that city other than in the month of September.

1778
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 3: You can order refills online, but other than that, you

1779
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 3: can only get like Lymette I think is San Francisco

1780
01:29:58,080 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 3: or something, so like you have to go to that

1781
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 3: city to get at that cent. So when I.

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01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: Traveled, me are made.

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01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 3: Someone just asked me this, and I don't know the

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01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,679
Speaker 3: exact number, but it's it's like a lot. But anyway,

1785
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 3: when I travel, I try to find the store and

1786
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 3: buy their city sense. So I have a lot of

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01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:16,640
Speaker 3: I probably have. I don't even know how many. I

1788
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 3: don't have all of them yet, but I have.

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01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 1: I haven't a collection of it perfume nice, okay. I

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01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 1: that only reminds me.

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01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 2: There were two girls, probably like maybe fifteen twenty years ago.

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01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 2: One of them had a daughter that wanted snow globes

1793
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 2: from around the world, so that turned me into a

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01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 2: collector of vet. And then there was another one that

1795
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 2: I dated. She wanted I didn't know that these Starbucks

1796
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:50,679
Speaker 2: mug collecting game was so intense.

1797
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 3: I didn't know about this either.

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01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 2: Actually, it's it's the most intense called about, like when

1799
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 2: you go on eBay, like to find a special Milwaukee level.

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01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 2: I figured that way into this girl's heart is through these.

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01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 3: Mugs and literally wise by the way, but it was.

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01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:07,759
Speaker 1: Like six hundred mugs.

1803
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 2: Six hundred it was, you know, to so enthusiastic about

1804
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 2: the last one.

1805
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, well, whatever city I'm in,

1806
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 1: I'll just.

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01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:18,560
Speaker 3: Collect, okay, but if not to impress a woman, is

1808
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 3: there anything you collect other than that?

1809
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 2: I'm in the getting rid of things faced, So I'm uh,

1810
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 2: that's a hard part. I mean, I've collected absolutely any

1811
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 2: and everything. I think right now, artwork is my thing.

1812
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 2: It used to be records, but I capped it at

1813
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand, so now I'm on to artwork.

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01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:41,919
Speaker 3: You have two d thousand records.

1815
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it used to be me just individually shopping and

1816
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:49,759
Speaker 2: buying records over the years, and then in the last

1817
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 2: five years many a library has shut down unceremoniously. Radio

1818
01:31:55,320 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 2: stations right now, NPR is going through it. So I

1819
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 2: often get a hey, you know, government subsidies. You know

1820
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 2: we have to shut down. We have like fifteen thousand

1821
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 2: records in our jazz program. We don't, I mean, we

1822
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 2: can give them the good will, but we know you

1823
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 2: love records, gest loove, like if you would like these,

1824
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:21,520
Speaker 2: So I've just been in the last five years taken.

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01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: This college is fifteen thousand records. And wow, maybe.

1826
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 2: This member of the Four Tops died and his daughter's like, hey.

1827
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 3: Take these chunks.

1828
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:35,599
Speaker 1: Also, they know I'm the record hoarder, but then you know.

1829
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:38,759
Speaker 3: We also collect records, but nowhere near that many.

1830
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bad. I just got to farm some building.

1831
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 5: Well.

1832
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:46,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, in twenty twenty, you're going.

1833
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 3: To have a record house.

1834
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will.

1835
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:50,759
Speaker 3: Can you send me a picture.

1836
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 1: I will send you a picture of this. Yes, I'll

1837
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 1: invite you to the grand opening.

1838
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 3: I would love to come.

1839
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:56,680
Speaker 1: Still building it.

1840
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 2: All right, So the last thing, when all said and done,

1841
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 2: I know this is a dumb question. I really wish

1842
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 2: I closed on the serial question. Yeah, what what do

1843
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:08,680
Speaker 2: you hope that we say about you when all is

1844
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 2: said and done.

1845
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 3: I hope you say that she was really brave.

1846
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 1: I'll take that. Rihanna, thank you so much for coming

1847
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:21,719
Speaker 1: on my show. This is a long time coming.

1848
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 2: I thought you would have never I almost felt like

1849
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 2: this might be an exercise on your part, Like I

1850
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 2: feel like I forced you out of here your comfort

1851
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 2: zone or in the shadows or something, or we're gonna have,

1852
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 2: you know, six extra weeks of sun and you know.

1853
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 3: Well that yes, but that's just you know.

1854
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 1: I feel accomplished. This, this was this was a big

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01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 1: get for me.

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01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 3: This was an honor to be here.

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01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much. Friend. I appreciate you.

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01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 2: Brianna Weed on The Quest Love Show and I'll see

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01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,400
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